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my cats are attacking my monitors and stepping on my keyboard
perhaps i can appease them by offering a canine sacrifice
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update: it didn't work"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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these votes are all deadly seriousIn post 9, Bub Bidderskins wrote: First game in nearly 10 years. The meta's still to random vote at the start of day 1 I assume?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I appreciate y'all trying so hard out the gate but I think most of what's been argued so far isn't really alignment indicative
Also btw FoSing is out of style these days"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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and my interpretation is that voting or not voting in rvs isn't a meaningful decision; feel free to make something of it if it makes you happy tho"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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It's consistent for this person:In post 52, ballpointpen wrote: that was a really interesting reaction to greeting's post
In post 45, Kowahbunga wrote:In post 43, Cephrir wrote:i think you're reading too much into things
This is a scum mindset.
VOTE: Cephir
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if we're going to do a lolturbowagon it seems kind of mean, though i'll admit maybe effective to target the person who's playing presumably their first game"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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you mean 33? i agree that is slightly weird, i didnt notice it at the timeIn post 63, Hu Tao wrote:
I actually do think there was something here that was strange, and the fact you glossed over it is strange.In post 41, Cephrir wrote: I appreciate y'all trying so hard out the gate but I think most of what's been argued so far isn't really alignment indicative
Also btw FoSing is out of style these days"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i don't think you're going to like my playstyle thenIn post 66, Hu Tao wrote:
I don't need the soft defending, I can do so myself if I need to defend myself. This post seems like being on the fence. While not wanting to actually vote, saying voting it is fineIn post 58, Cephrir wrote: if we're going to do a lolturbowagon it seems kind of mean, though i'll admit maybe effective to target the person who's playing presumably their first game"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i can only wish i were such a genius"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i think bub's analysis is actually fairly decent all things considered (i.e. it's page 6) but i prefer a different one of his suspects
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seems really premature to meIn post 154, Kowahbunga wrote: I'm fine if we push this slot to a claim."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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how are 17 players generating less than 2 pages a day zzzz"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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To see how they reactIn post 168, Kowahbunga wrote:
I dont see why it is? Whats the point of this wagon if not to lim them or get information out of them that makes us not want to lim them?In post 160, Cephrir wrote:
seems really premature to meIn post 154, Kowahbunga wrote: I'm fine if we push this slot to a claim.
Idk he only has a handful of posts and I got town vibes off a couple of them so even though I do see why this wagon exists I'm skeptical"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I actually think this is +town for KTIn post 171, KittyTacky wrote:
I reskimmed since then and now I'm not really feeling it.In post 169, Kowahbunga wrote:In post 163, KittyTacky wrote:Pretty sure you and Bub are both town.
How do you go from “pretty sure” to “tenuous”? In the span of 2 posts?In post 164, KittyTacky wrote: Though my read on you is... tenuous af and is basically null."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Yes it's quite obviousIn post 194, GuyInFreezer wrote: Kowah is probably town too yeah?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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This is NAI it's just andante's personalityIn post 203, KawaiiKame wrote:
Any games specifically that Andante opens jokingly as town/is this all encompassing play? What scumread is really weak in a way they don't believe to be town? I'm commenting in media res so I'm in confusion with the contextIn post 200, MalcolmTucker wrote: It's meta to a degree but I'm more simply pointing out Andante's jokey early tone and attempt to make friends is conductive to their approach as town and I've seen it before. It doesn't particularly alarm me at this stage of the game.
I don't think their vote on you is astonishingly fleshed out, but their logic that they think the scumread is really weak in a way they don't believe to be town feels consistent enough that it again doesn't ping or worry me at all."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Kow, with Bub a close second
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I am having... A Thought Process
@ckd- why did you call for a wagon on yourself as opposed to someone else?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Btw I think promising content and failing to deliver it is a scumteam and that's why I'm voting glitch"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Scumtell**"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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is that "the gamestate being weirdly closed off" or "you not agreeing with anyone who was posting content""I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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God damn it how can you telllllllIn post 228, Save The Dragons wrote: cephy is town"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Darn, makes sense but not the answer I was hoping to slot into my thoughtsIn post 236, curiouskarmadog wrote:
I have one of those posting/playing styles that gets a lot of action (wagons/votes) no matter my alignment. Dont know why...In post 222, Cephrir wrote: I am having... A Thought Process
@ckd- why did you call for a wagon on yourself as opposed to someone else?
AT ANY RATE, felt like my wagon would be the easiest to get started. Would I prefer a different one? yep....but look at the info mine as already reaped.
One thing I noticed was that your calling for a large wagon shows a consistent thought process with your focus on vote movement to get reads
I was thinking you potentially might have wanted votes on yourself because you know you're town, making those votes even more information heavy for your personal scumhunting process. I was prepared to drop a solid townread if I got that answer :p"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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actually yeah sure
VOTE: AndanteIn post 143, Andante wrote:lmaooo ohh good luck with this "fight" dog cause I am back. Stress be gone. You want me here? oh I'm here, no longer that easy push cause I had no posts..."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i can't tell if this user is awkward or scum but woofIn post 241, Glitch wrote: Hello all, sorry for being so inactive. I came down with a fever Friday night and felt like death all day yesterday. Much better today. Taking some time to dive deeper through the thread from the beginning. As I go I'll make a few posts so I don't end up with one big wall of text.
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Post 21 breaks right out of the gate with horrible logic. Bub light SR’s Kawaii or Hu Tao saying their “hello” posts were scummy for not contributing anything and being non-commital. Bub admits that it’s weak and it is. However he makes a somewhat more palatable point that based on intros alone, Kawaii and Hu Tao are not scum together because 18+19 as both scum would be unlikely. However IMO this is underestimating the power of scum theatre.
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Post 30 I appreciate ballpoint calling out the bad reasoning in 21.
33 strikes me as quite off. Curiouskarmadog quotes the terrible post 21, agrees with it, and then just jumps on to the other person that was framed as scummy for saying hello. Curious says that they dislike players getting credit for a vote without having to do anything. But Curious just jumps on to the reasoning in 21, which was bad reasoning to begin with, uses it to cast a vote without having to do anything, then turns and says they’re suspicious of Bub for FOSing. ???
In 38, when confronted on the weakness of the reasoning in 21, Bub immediately recants saying "yeah I know it's weak logic but I said it was in the original post." But I appreciate in 39 the dig to generate conversation.
In 41 Cephrir says "everything so far is NAI" and then STD FOS's Cephrir. Why?
46: I think ballpoint reasons in a way that I relate with a lot. I appreciate the way they think and examine things.
This is weird. What has STD said that makes you "with them?" STD has contributed practically nothing. What are you talking about?In post 47, Greeting wrote:
I'm withIn post 38, Bub Bidderskins wrote:
Sure, it's just the the timing that seemed a little...eh to me. Sort of "hey, let's show my face so everyone knows I'm cool but not actually try to move towards finding scum>" I'll admit it's weak and I'm not married to this tell, but my general read of scum behavior is that they're like politicans who'll pop in to show themselves but don't actually want to be attached to a wagon.In post 30, ballpointpen wrote: let me play the devil's advocate to your accusation: what you pointed out isn't unique to those two users, since savethedragons (i'll abbreivate to STD if that's ok) also just said "hi" without casting a vote, so wouldn't the same kind of logic apply to them?
and while people do vote for reasons during rvs its redundant because these are completely unaligned reasons that would be the same regardless of rand, so the votes are equally as non-commital and passive as the entrances, and the argument falls apart pretty quickly because of that
I'm much more confident in my read that it's very unlikely both Hsu and Kawaii are both scum just because of their interaction. It just seems like scum wouldn't banter with each other about such fluff just right out of the gate.STDandCephriron this one.
And, as a matter of fact, one game when I was mafia, I tried pushing a similar point to move up the pace and fake a contribution.
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????In post 245, ballpointpen wrote: im still bugged about the absurd amounts of AtE but CKD's posts have gotten slightly more reasonable minus the capitalization
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they don't know they're in no danger of being limmed, and tbh they probably are in danger even if, say, my vote specifically is just for pressureIn post 268, Kowahbunga wrote:
Are you really going to get a reaction, or even better a proper reaction, out of someone if they're never in danger of being limmed?In post 207, Cephrir wrote:
To see how they reactIn post 168, Kowahbunga wrote:
I dont see why it is? Whats the point of this wagon if not to lim them or get information out of them that makes us not want to lim them?In post 160, Cephrir wrote:
seems really premature to meIn post 154, Kowahbunga wrote: I'm fine if we push this slot to a claim.
Idk he only has a handful of posts and I got town vibes off a couple of them so even though I do see why this wagon exists I'm skeptical"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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a bit yeah, i expect the bravado but i also expect you to back it up and you disappeared after posting that"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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All I know is you did this whole *cracks knuckles* alright get ready for a fight routine and then nothingIn post 280, Andante wrote: what exactly am I supposed to back up? I see a freaking wagon on me right now, and what is the actual case?
That's the reason for my vote, it's not like it's stuck there forever"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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If you're not an easy lim, show it by finding some scum :3"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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(i would much prefer the outcome where im able to find you town, since i think you're quite enjoyable to play with ^^)"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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honestly i recommend not worrying about thisIn post 295, Kowahbunga wrote: The confusing thing to me now is that I scum read Curious for their ISO. But two of my three other scum reads are on him. Which makes me feel less confident in him being scum now.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Greeting
I'm going back here.
don't try to solve the whole game at once -- it's not realistic"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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you will find a lot of ATE from both sides in that meta dive. saved you an hourIn post 298, ballpointpen wrote: not a good response from andante
i might go meta diving, but if you have a point, then just prove it instead of wasting posts on AtE"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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yes. catch one scum, then figure out who their partners are after you have information. you'll run yourself in circles trying to preflip and solve on info that could be wrong
it's how i play anyway. sure, if someone has zero plausible partners, that's an issue, but otherwise, don't twist yourself in knots not eliminating someone scummy because your other scumreads are bussing them"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Hmm you almost had me for a moment thereIn post 317, Andante wrote: not letting my current mood change my gut read/feeling here"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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@fen penny for your thoughts on andante"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I mean you almost had me townreading you :pIn post 321, Andante wrote:
I also went "there's no votes there, and at this point I assume no one is flipping to someone with no votes"In post 318, Cephrir wrote:
Hmm you almost had me for a moment thereIn post 317, Andante wrote: not letting my current mood change my gut read/feeling here
like, I will happily vote there
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Alright that's good enough for now
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OkIn post 361, Save The Dragons wrote:
townIn post 319, Cephrir wrote: @fen penny for your thoughts on andante
I thought this would settle me but I feel like this could be her replicating it so maybe I was just hoping you would agree with my uncertainty
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Can we please just eliminate this personIn post 372, Glitch wrote:Spoiler: curious wagon
So now we're actually getting a little action and traction. Hu Tao, Bub, Kitty, Andante, and Kawaii are on the curious wagon. I don't think a PR claim on D1 means that scum is guaranteed to be on the wagon. But I do think it gives sufficient reason for a bit of pressure there. Bub is in my town bucket which leaves me interested in ISO'ing Hu Tao, Kitty, Andante, and Kawaii. I'm gonna do that now."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I would also happily vote for ballpointpen"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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In fact I think I'll do it now
VOTE: ballpointpen
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I think it's forced contentIn post 388, GuyInFreezer wrote:
CephIn post 385, Cephrir wrote:
Can we please just eliminate this personIn post 372, Glitch wrote:Spoiler: curious wagon
So now we're actually getting a little action and traction. Hu Tao, Bub, Kitty, Andante, and Kawaii are on the curious wagon. I don't think a PR claim on D1 means that scum is guaranteed to be on the wagon. But I do think it gives sufficient reason for a bit of pressure there. Bub is in my town bucket which leaves me interested in ISO'ing Hu Tao, Kitty, Andante, and Kawaii. I'm gonna do that now.
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He expressly stated it is not a strong role, didn't he?In post 393, MalcolmTucker wrote:
Can you explain why not? If you have a strong role then it may be more helpful for us to know and gives a better indication you are indeed town.In post 383, curiouskarmadog wrote:
yeah I am soft claiming....if the definition of a power role is non-vanilla, then yeah, I am a "power role".In post 378, Bub Bidderskins wrote: Softclaiming a vague power-role is absolutely the scummiest possible reaction to building pressure.
At this point I'm locked in on the CKD wagon.
ALSO this isnt in reaction to the wagon, it is a reaction to me leaving for the rest of the week.A full claim will not help town at all.If you want to find out what I am, you will have to kill me tonight."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Because most of us don't even know if the wagon was on town or scum yet"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Btw gif what's gotten into you I don't think I've ever seen you try this hard before"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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No, but can I interest you in ballpointIn post 426, GuyInFreezer wrote: I guess I'm committed to defending ckd now. But that also means I need to provide an alternative. I don't think I can get Andante wagon to work with 4 days left.
...Does anyone townread Skygazer?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i guess i could go skygazer it feels a little bit like throwing up our hands and taking the slightly >rand option over really trying but that's not the worst thing ever"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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yeah, usuallyIn post 432, Skygazer wrote: is the person with no posts ever actually scum these days?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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also, this person complaining about someone else's activity is hmmIn post 437, Kowahbunga wrote:
I'm getting caught up, and I really dislike this post. It feels like a misleading POV where they don't want to just come out and say what they're thinking, they want to plant a seed and let people come to that conclusion.In post 364, Skygazer wrote: kitty why are you more active here than in the game we just finished together where you were town?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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In post 440, Glitch wrote:
Yes. But when we're all arguing over weak wagons and flimsy cases, then someone makes a claim that I find reasonably acceptable to believe at this stage at the game, why shouldn't that warrant at least examining the wagon on the PR-claiming player?In post 397, Cephrir wrote: Because most of us don't even know if the wagon was on town or scum yetIn post 397, Cephrir wrote: Because most of us don't even know if the wagon was on town or scum yet"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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yeah this is a real scumtell it's called beetlejuicingIn post 443, Kowahbunga wrote:In post 426, GuyInFreezer wrote:...Does anyone townread Skygazer?9:34pm
In post 431, Cephrir wrote:i guess i could go skygazer it feels a little bit like throwing up our hands and taking the slightly >rand option over really trying but that's not the worst thing ever10:05pm
In post 432, Skygazer wrote:is the person with no posts ever actually scum these days?10:09pm
In post 433, Skygazer wrote:been unexpectedly busy, will be able to make more of an effort soon but i gotta go pass out now10:13pm
I'm not one to believe activity is alignment indicative. However, the timing of this is to me. A 40 minute block of suspicion gets their attention immediately. Like the immediate scenario that ran through my head was:
GIF posts suspicion of Sky, no worry yet...
Ceph posts they kind of want to look that way too... FOUR minutes and suddenly the busy bee finds a break in their schedule.
It's a conspiracy at best, because I have no way to prove it. But that's how it looks to me. Sky was already on my radar for 364 - so this may just be me wanting it to be true. I just think it looks suspicious to me."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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did you read the post that's not what it saysIn post 446, Glitch wrote: Like I appreciate you trying but people being online at the same time meaning they're scum together is so flimsy."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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if i had three dayvigs skygazer glitch and ballpoint would all be dead"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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You shouldn't be, its doing jack shit there and you still haven't posted a reason
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In post 476, ballpointpen wrote: thanks to ms' functions i couldn't find a mini normal where andante was put in the same-ish scenario as this game but i did look up one of their recent scum games and they weren't quite that reactionary
i still don't think that scum would really be that frantic and OMGUS-y over a couple of remarks, and its more like paranoid town instead of scum scrambling to try and start a wagon that would obviously never happen (post #328)
That's more like itIn post 478, ballpointpen wrote: i have been reading over malcolm's posts every day and im feeling more scummy now than before
and he's still keeping up this weird shady notion that im scummy without acting on it
like i did admit that i didn't want to reveal my thoughts early in the game hence why i was mainly focused on questioning rather than posting my reads but he never answered to that and now i don't know if he actually acknowledged that point
its weird that i don't really know where he stands when it appears that his reads are fleshed out but upon looking closely most of them are hollow
VOTE: skygazer"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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So would you unvote someone who claimed anything besides doctor then"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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*spooky jazz hands*"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i literally forgot that person existed"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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