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Since I'm still recovering from pollution induced bronchitis and general burn out, don't expect me to be at my 110% wall posting mode for a bit
I'll aim for like 40% capacity and if town is lucky I'll get all the way up to half assed
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I'm kinda being lazy this game (aka I just woke up from a loooong jetlag nap)
I know several people here are muuuuch better/different as town versus scum. Irrelephant is very good as scum. Who else is, since I don't quite recognize everyone?
Also, is there a VOTE: Not_Mafia in the house?
My trip was half great fun, half pollution induced bronchitis (I coughed up a rose shaped piece of mucus the size of a small strawberry AMA), half weight gain from ultra delicious Chinese food being shoved down my gullet by my whole family.-
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Now that everybody but NM has joined us
VOTE: varsoon
39 this is the closest I've seen TW ever get to having a natural flow and carefree attitude. I feel like I'm pretty confident at reading scum worst at this point and there's no hint of the nervous YOLOing and showboating I've seen (unfortunately for our poor ducky) too many times. Town lean.
we can sniff out scum together buddeh
90 I'm also fairly confident in my ability to read irrelephant and while it's too early to go into details, I disagree with your assessment in this post. However, thank you for 104 because I need to go read up on that scumrelephant game.
106 I have very WIFOM thoughts about this post and the use of "same team" instead of "both town." I would think scum faking this banter would take care to say "town" instead of "same team"? But then again, if this was a casual thought typed directly into the box without too much thought for manipulation, it felt quite scummy.
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Confirming that I'm doing thisIn post 202, Varsoon wrote:Thoughts otherwise:
Nauci keeps using their vote as pressure on players that aren't here rather than sticking to a wagon and dealing with the possible interactions that come from it. I don't like this.
Mitilos and Skitter are parsing out their thoughts plenty and I like that, though I'm still trying to make heads or tails of them.
The Worst truly is The Worst but at the very least their play IS consistent and reminds me of their town play, so I don't feel horrible about their slot.
What's up you cool babies?
But also that I always do this
You know how often day 1 lurkers turn out to be scum while the whole town is busy FOSing each other?-
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In post 203, Saudade wrote:
male intuitionIn post 192, the worst wrote:ye ok AlmostNancy can be town for now
In post 184, Saudade wrote:wow I cant believe I'm playing a game with Nauci
how so?In post 185, Saudade wrote:cat's probably scum too
Man I have a really hard time sorting people with this sort of ego and bravadoIn post 205, Varsoon wrote:You didn't even bother answering any of the points I raised, you just went straight for the vote.
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Personally, I thought his reasons made sense from his perspective to dislike us, even if I happen to disagree since I know more about both of our styles.In post 212, Shoshin wrote:
His aggression feels over-the-top. His "disgust" towards townreads doesn't feel town at all, especially when comparing Varsoon's town game to his scum game. As town, he himself tends to townread certain players for seemingly nothing (e.g. his townread on Reck in TAZ Mafia), whereas as scum he does everything in his power to prevent lots of townreads from forming (can't reference a specific game yet but will eventually). His vote on me feels thoughtless, like he's just trying to go make an against-the-grain vote instead of having actual reasons to suspect me as scum (there's none, since I'm town and when I'm town it's fairly obvious to anyone who has played wiht me before, and that includes Varsoon). And finally, his commentary on Nauci and others feels overly descriptive; as town he was more analytical and tended to make more concrete interpretations of alignment based on what players are doing, instead of just describing their behavivors and then saying he doesn't know what it means.In post 206, Mitillos wrote:Edit: Explain the new vote, please.
Having experience with both town Varsoon and scum Varsoon, I'm confident this is his scum game. His response to my vote is also pretty damning imo, since he's not even trying to sort me but instead just wants to start a pointless back-and-forth between us when he should know better - it'll just clog the game with stuff that isn't relevant, since we just disagree about how to play the game on a very fundamental level.-
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Here's me stopping you from tunnelingIn post 222, Irrelephant11 wrote:
So the scum game you found, I started the game as a lone Mafioso. I was later recruited by RCEnigma, so my unvote of him at the start of the game was uninformed (as uninformed as I am here) and not partner-indicative. Regardless, this is literally "I am cherry picking three of your games (excluding a bunch of them for no discernible reason - why would I play significantly different as IC, for example?) and you did this one thing as scum one time and you're doing it here; therefore, scum." Oh wait, also "an OMGUS vote". Do you believe in this read? You haven't tried to sell anyone on it. Are you just happy to feel like you can justify voting me, or?In post 104, Mitillos wrote:@Irrelephant: You jumped votes between your first two posts (which were within a page of each other) as mafia in micro 824.2 (and I note that on that one your jump was away from the wagon on your scumbuddy).
By comparison you took longer to switch votes in mini normal 2042 as town, and even when you did switch, you almost immediately unvoted.
You also took your time to switch votes in mini 2018 again as town.
I'm having trouble finding the third one again, so maybe I was wrong about that. But hey, 2 out of 3 ain't bad.
I think if you examined more of my games/examined specifically games where I am familiar with most of the playerlist/extended your examination of this wagonhopping to include more of D1 (I'm not even always present for RVS, for example), you'd find this is literally the crappiest meta scumread anyone has ever had - especially since others who are familiar with me have already told you I'm town.
Someone stop me - I feel like mitillos' scumread of me is agenda-y, and I would not like to tunnel on town if I am wrong.
Yes, as well as his insistence on having a scumread (on his scumpartner? unlikely. On a random townie, when he's scum? Not if it'll make him unpopular. As a townie who thinks he maybe found scum early? Much more likely.)In post 111, Keyser Söze wrote:
As in scum-TW wouldn’t want town-Shoshin on his back? So TW doing the opposite of this is “towny”?In post 34, Irrelephant11 wrote:the worst "agreeing to disagree" with shoshin was towny
I'll note here that my towngame has improved and it is as yet unclear if my scumgame has improved to match. I think you'll be able to read me this game.In post 160, Nauci wrote:I'm kinda being lazy this game (aka I just woke up from a loooong jetlag nap)
I know several people here are muuuuch better/different as town versus scum. Irrelephant is very good as scum. Who else is, since I don't quite recognize everyone?
Also, is there a VOTE: Not_Mafia in the house?
My trip was half great fun, half pollution induced bronchitis (I coughed up a rose shaped piece of mucus the size of a small strawberry AMA), half weight gain from ultra delicious Chinese food being shoved down my gullet by my whole family.
+town for Nauci, unless they're partnersIn post 180, Nauci wrote:I've got no read at all on Keyser since I'm recalibrating on him haha
Hi!In post 189, Keyser Söze wrote:I actually want to look at Relly
Because she's obvtownIn post 197, Varsoon wrote:It's kind of baffling that you propose a policy lynch on me and when Irrel + The Worst deny it outright and ask you why
You hard dodge
Then post this sort of thing:
For what reason even?In post 46, Shoshin wrote:I think I should be higher on the town list, the worst.
She doesn't need to provide trajectory if she's right or if the results of not providing trajectory are helpfully AI from skitterIn post 198, Varsoon wrote:This is spineless.
You asked Nauci for a read just to sheep it.
I see no trajectory that'd lead you to have this opinion on skitter, even.
Towny for ShoshinIn post 199, Varsoon wrote:^ Like you say you 'had similar feelings' but you haven't mentioned skitter once before in your ISO.I think Varsoon might be town, but I haven't decided yet
No you didn'tIn post 205, Varsoon wrote:You didn't even bother answering any of the points I raised, you just went straight for the vote.
Shoshin, I thought you were better.
It seemed like a reasonable read to make during the stage where we only have like 4 pages of posts and we have to make somethings out of nothings to get the game going, and it was as good as any narrative to work up. I thought he picked most recent games versus deliberate cherry picking
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For clarity
I disagreed with his assessment of your meta but do not declare you a town read yet (but you're used to me refusing to town read you for a long time)-
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You seem to be scum reading her for very good first-10-pages strategies, which involve going off of very little data to provoke sortable responses and frequently engaging in vote wagons even if blankly to provoke posts precisely like the ones you've made in order to sort youIn post 232, Varsoon wrote:It'd be a different story if your votes weren't everywhere and baseless,
If your rationale for voting wasn't flimsy and subject to change at a whim,
If you weren't propping up bald votes on someone you're clamoring for a policy lynch on,
and if you'd actually engaged with any of my points raised against you.
Operation successful for both shoshin and I, tbh
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Varsoon, why do you treat early, 2-3 votewagons as if they must be accurate reads, or require extensive justification, or are in danger of leading to your lynch?
The fact that you're already talking about how you'd flip from having 2 page <10 votes on you gives me bad vibes, but maybe we just have wildly different early game philosophy. What's yours?-
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Something about the way he has gone way out of his way to post an elaborate explanation for a quick missed post here pings me hardIn post 252, Performer wrote:It's like people are actively making it hard for me to keep up in this game...sigh
Ah ok, it's because you're the only person I haven't played with or even heard of.In post 67, Mitillos wrote:I am not an alt. I just haven't played in a very long time. Also worst posted before irrelephant.
the posting - I checked again and it was because of my pg dn key, it scrolled past the mod's wall posts all the way into Irrel's post so I thought that was his confirm itt.
lol I somewhat agree with a50In post 85, the worst wrote:
oof burnIn post 83, AlmostNancy wrote:Oh and we have a decent mod in this game.
though I would change "decent" to "superb"
Well, my first thought is I don't have any experience in ever seeing someone say something like this. But if someone is informed and wants to share it, I'd say it depends. I don't think it's a black and white one-size-fits-all solution.In post 107, Mitillos wrote:Incidentally, I saw in post #1 a mention of "informed status" not being revealed on flip. I've never played in a game with informed players, so I was wondering if the information they have should be shared with the rest of the town. Thoughts?
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WutIn post 257, Performer wrote:I don't remember us being even the same alignment in that one game...so I'm not sure where you're getting this from...
Yeah the air in CA is normally good . This is the first time ever in the bay area this year, that it's ever been terrible with the smoke. I say PGE mistakes and arsons. No way it's just "natural"In post 171, skitter30 wrote:i actually live near some of the california wildfires from a couple of weeks back. it was awful trying to breathe outside here for a few days - i felt the ash stuck in my throat
and then i went to sf for a day and it was even worse there, i couldn't stay outside for longer than like five minutes without coughing
I don't know what you're talking about with PGE and arsons
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I'm particularly careful and deliberating if I'm posting from my laptop, where I can take notes and format stuffIn post 261, Mitillos wrote:@Irrelephant: Aww, you ruined it now.
UNVOTE: Irrelephant11 222 was 100% town, and the previous stuff wasn't bad either.
I will note that ignoring SI games is valid, because you have additional... responsibilities if you will, which could easily affect your playstyle. Also, games where you joined late wouldn't have told me if you wagonhop in RVS. However, you're right, what I did was definitely agenda-y:
worst probtown for posts 116 and 159 (amongst others). I'm ambivalent about Nauci for post 179. To those who play with her a lot: Is she always particularly careful and deliberating, or is she more like this as one alignment than others? I want to townread her for it, but I don't want to be biased just because I like her playstyle.
Shoshin is still town.
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Further self conscious posting that makes me suspicious afIn post 264, Performer wrote:
Fixed.In post 197, Varsoon wrote:It's kind of baffling that you propose a policy lynch on me and when Irrel + The Worst + Performer deny it outright
I dont like policy lynching (and for that matter I dont believe in the notion of "too scummy to be scum")-
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This is the least original post in the gameIn post 276, Xtoxm wrote:VOTE: shosin
I was already getting scum vibes from calling a bunch of different people town for no reason and campaigning for a policy lynch is just a dick move
Varsoon are you going to call out this plagiarism
My naughty list is currently xtoxm, performer, and possibly Keyser but that's just for having been relatively quiet for keyser-
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Lynch this, TIAIn post 277, Performer wrote:
I dont like the way shoshin voted skitter, later voted me, then when vars came back to talk about shosh, shes still on me while saying votes on vars is good (sounds like setting up) , soon after she flies straight from me onto scatman without addressing posts. Makes me think, "coasting mafia. "In post 212, Shoshin wrote:Varsoon, I'm confident this is his scum game. His response to my vote is also pretty damning imo, since he's not even trying to sort me but instead just wants to start a pointless back-and-forth
And her confidence in scatman being scum and saying he's doing a pointless debate - the posts from vars dont look like pointless debate, it actually looks like shoshin is just writing vars off as scum.
VOTE: Shoshin
He seems to always have a carefree attitude between his scum and town play though .... I dont see how it's AI.In post 179, Nauci wrote:TW ever get to having a natural flow and carefree attitude. I feel like I'm pretty confident at reading scum worst at this point and there's no hint of the nervous YOLOing and showboating I've seen (unfortunately for our poor ducky) too many times. Town lean.
I like mitil for townIn post 156, Mitillos wrote:Anyway, I think the information I have is good for the town to have in advance, and unlikely to be something that scum don't already know (since they have daytalk per post 0), so I will go ahead and share it:
There are no roles with the ninja modifier.
@Shoshin: I would still like an explanation for your Performer vote, please.
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People throwing up these "X is town" posts I think is NAI to me, partly because the game is moving so fast, partly because of so many people in this game.
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I outright withhold judgement on Irrelephant11 for the time beingIn post 287, Keyser Söze wrote:Perhaps TW and Nauci could chip in here too...-
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I love this new sassy Irrelephant, regardless of alignmentIn post 293, Irrelephant11 wrote:
good thing I wrote other posts huhIn post 292, Varsoon wrote:
When you post stuff like this, Irrel, it feels like you're scum giving yourself wiggle room to later be okay with a lynch on your townreads, 'cus you were just 'friendreading' them and could be wrong.In post 291, Irrelephant11 wrote:the caveat on my reads is that I have townleaned friends who do not deserve it before because I like them
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For the record I found this very slightly plausible just because I'd been tpr so many dang times and I almost invariably ended up checking Irrelephant, but also implausible because Irrelephant11 is usually a strong town read by people other than meIn post 229, Irrelephant11 wrote:As a quick change of subject,I claim paranoid gun owner
I went back and forth for 24 hours on whether or not I thought I'd be able to gambit scum into shooting me, but I couldn't think of a way to do it that wouldn't also get TPRs to accidentally target me, especially in this playerlist where I'm known to some as hard-to-read and my crumbs would never go unnoticed.
So, instead, here's my claim!
Keyser is not obvtown by any means
Actually the fact that I'm not quickly and easily townreading him should probably tell me he's scum, but maybe I just forget his posts, let me look
Also if I had a dollar for every time I said I was going to stop playing mafia but continued, I could afford groceries for another month-
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UnderstatementIn post 332, Shoshin wrote:
Irrelephant isn't Gustavo. Can't compare.In post 331, Performer wrote:gustavo-
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^In post 343, Shoshin wrote:
That's not what I did, nor is it what Nauci's talking about.In post 337, Varsoon wrote:@Nauci: Baiting someone into exploding, especially when you know that player explodes and looks bad for it as town, is not great play and, is, in fact, really scummy play.
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Since I feel strongly about performer and/or xtoxm, this temporarily clears teacher in my eyes
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I'm glad you decided to respond to pressure with great contributions and sortable content that makes it easy to town read youIn post 369, Xtoxm wrote:Lol @ having 2 strong instant scum reads in a large game. Get ove4 yourself.-
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Nice catchIn post 390, AlmostNancy wrote:
Interesting you’d say “lying” as opposed to just wrong.In post 380, Xtoxm wrote:Yeah, because anyone claiming strong reads this early in the game is more likely to just belying.
So, lemme get this straight. According to you, everyone who has claimed to have a strong read - either town or scum - is more likely to be straight-up lying than wrong.
Wow, this must be like the most scum sided game in the history of Mafia then.-
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Hey maybe I don't respond to condescension with acquiescenceIn post 409, Varsoon wrote:
Hey maybe don't be a prat like this.In post 405, Nauci wrote:
I'm glad you decided to respond to pressure with great contributions and sortable content that makes it easy to town read youIn post 369, Xtoxm wrote:Lol @ having 2 strong instant scum reads in a large game. Get ove4 yourself.-
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I think I've contributed plenty to be read thus far
Taking a break from this game because the rampant condescension and disdain is unproductive and infuriating and I'm just escalating into it
Pedit: Side note, I think I'll always be biased for skitter30 because it's so easy to understand and often mind meld her perspective
@mit: my "read" on teacher is wholly independent of his posts and rests on the idea that 3 scum wouldn't vote shoshin together and I don't scum read teacher as much as the others. My read on performer is for being extra self conscious about how others are reading him to the point of elaborate pg down explanations while ignoring the abundant other content that deserved commentary, and xtoxm for almost actively refusing to contribute much content. However, this is just on possible scenario and I don't have confident town reads anywhere near this early in the game-
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I read this as Irrelephant's plea to xtoxm speaking from xtoxm's POV presuming that he's town and I'm "lying"In post 421, AlmostNancy wrote:
Why are you so sure xtoxm is a mislynch? Is this based on meta?In post 382, Irrelephant11 wrote:xtoxm you should post more so that it is harder for nauci to mislynch you
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Good point, I must @mit
But yeah, performer's posts all ping me
Like the "fixed" post where he wants to point out that people also wanted to policy him (? I don't know if that happened and no one else noticed or talked about it?). It's just hyper aware of what others have said about him when the rest of the posts make it clear that we weren't putting any weight into those posts. To me, this comes across as the actions of a guilty conscience/perspective at a much stronger degree than anything else I could consider alignment indicative this game, without tons of further research into various players' metas.
Also, while I haven't processed it into detailed explanation yet, I think of townrelephant as more like a bloodhound than an elephant. He checks under every rock and chases every possible lead and is never hesitant to get on wagons to pressure players in the interest of sortable content or chasing up a hunch. He's like the entire Mystery Van crew by himself, and exudes the town confidence of not feeling like he owes explanations of his actions until after his play is done.
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I spent 15 minutes looking for a gif like this last night before giving upIn post 433, Irrelephant11 wrote:
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I don't know if you're keeping up the self deprecation because it's your thing or you're still using it to lash out about criticismIn post 435, Varsoon wrote:
I already shared a lot of my thoughts.In post 418, skitter30 wrote:
ok i get what you're saying and where the frustration comes from (hi she wanted to mislynch in mylo there, remember?) but she's town so i'm just accepting it and moving onIn post 388, Varsoon wrote:@Skitter: Doesn't matter what my thoughts are, I don't understand how other people play, and, therefore, can not come to an accurate read on them.
It's much better play for me to put my trust into Shoshin, who has never mislynched anyone before and who will lead us to certain victory.
i want to try to sort you tho so it would be helpful if you share your thoughts
They were dumb and bad thoughts, but if you want to pick my brain, just ask me direct questions.
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Let's not talk get into a conversation about how federal/private forest land management or climate change works (☞゚ヮ゚)☞In post 488, Performer wrote:
I’m talking about it on a wider scale than just that Camp Fire in Butte County – in terms of the fires in CA. with so many wildfires even happening in cold weather, I , friends, and others, refuse to believe it's just "natural" - that's nonsense.In post 346, Nauci wrote:I don't know what you're talking about with PGE and arsons
It was all the result of the Camp Fire
there was news about PGE messing things up too.
Is it really that hard to work out a system of having people monitoring and taking care of those areas , right? So poor management from PGE is 1 of the issues . They need to be held accountable (with actionable repercussions), JUST like the san bruno explosion . people's pets lost , lives lost , property lost, and so on. Imagine if your or my s.o. were lost due to the fire. It's outrageous for sources to say they're just natural causes.
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And uh - that was an actual mistake I made during rvs , which mitil made me aware of since I wasnt aware of.
Also FoS on tw, I don’t even understand his vote on me .
What in the?? Self conscious, what are you talking about!???In post 351, Nauci wrote:
Further self conscious posting that makes me suspicious afIn post 264, Performer wrote:
Fixed.In post 197, Varsoon wrote:It's kind of baffling that you propose a policy lynch on me and when Irrel + The Worst + Performer deny it outright
I dont like policy lynching (and for that matter I dont believe in the notion of "too scummy to be scum")
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I've seen townrelephant exhibit these behaviors in every game I've seen townrelephantIn post 494, Keyser Söze wrote:@Relly, I think I owe you this. Gonna dump it all down in one post on why I'm having bad feels with you:-
Expressing early/easy town reads (pocketing):In post 23, Irrelephant11 wrote:Creature is townIn post 30, Irrelephant11 wrote:the worst is town, shoshin is town
skitter is more likely town than not
creature is probtown unless his claim is real, in which case lolIn post 222, Irrelephant11 wrote:Because she's obvtown
Sheeping a vote/wagon (buddying):In post 30, Irrelephant11 wrote:shoshin your point is fair but now who do I wagon
Too defensive of his own meta:In post 30, Irrelephant11 wrote:mitillos if you haven't figured it out I like wagonsIn post 222, Irrelephant11 wrote:So the scum game you found, I started the game as a lone Mafioso. I was later recruited by RCEnigma, so my unvote of him at the start of the game was uninformed (as uninformed as I am here) and not partner-indicative. Regardless, this is literally "I am cherry picking three of your games (excluding a bunch of them for no discernible reason - why would I play significantly different as IC, for example?) and you did this one thing as scum one time and you're doing it here; therefore, scum." Oh wait, also "an OMGUS vote". Do you believe in this read? You haven't tried to sell anyone on it. Are you just happy to feel like you can justify voting me, or?
Hard-defending 'town' - potential TMI'ing - pocketing attempt:In post 225, Irrelephant11 wrote:but I am here to say that Shoshin is scum .01% of the time here and you should find someone else to wagonIn post 281, Irrelephant11 wrote:Vote me before shoshin, please - at least my role is negative utilityIn post 283, Irrelephant11 wrote:honestly I think the moral of the story is shoshin/almostnancy/theworst should be the unbreakable townblock for the entire gameIn post 290, Irrelephant11 wrote:{shoshin, the worst, almost nancy} always townIn post 290, Irrelephant11 wrote:Keyser which of those three reads shouldn't be in the townblock?In post 291, Irrelephant11 wrote:the caveat on my reads is that I have townleaned friends who do not deserve it before because I like themIn post 299, Irrelephant11 wrote:-if you're still talking about scumreading shoshin, lynch me. When I flip town, you are not allowed to place another vote on shoshin. This is @ the entire playerlist.In post 371, Irrelephant11 wrote:{shoshin, the worst, almost nancy} always town
This is my tin-foil hat suspicion:
What's the best way to pocket someone suspicious of you...? Town read them.In post 230, Irrelephant11 wrote:oh nvm he's town
I super like 109, 150, 175 for town!him, though his paranoia of me is interesting and I'm curious to see where it will go
Thoughts?
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I'm town reading mitillos and Nancy
And I think that the less active players need a chance to catch up so maybe Irrelephant and your town block can slow down a little so saudade/teacher/etc. can't just cry "too much to read I give up" and continue lurking maybe? I'm going to actually stop now for said reason.-
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No. As I always say, his scum range is huge and he's good at it.In post 545, Keyser Söze wrote:
So you're sold he's outside his scum range here?In post 513, Nauci wrote:I've seen townrelephant exhibit these behaviors in every game I've seen townrelephant
He's infectiously cheerful to the point of paranoia driving pocketing as a personality
I'm just saying that all of those behaviors are within his town range.
Which his scum range largely encompasses.
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Saudade is like if Gustavo was finally driven off the brink and decided to become a supervillainIn post 554, the worst wrote:
No one is like Gustavo except his other accountsIn post 332, Shoshin wrote:
Irrelephant isn't Gustavo. Can't compare.In post 331, Performer wrote:gustavo-
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Varsoon, why do you treat the game as if fighting the town read on shoshin or sarcastic shitposting about townreading shoshin are your only options?
Both are unproductive, and there are countless other ways to engage. Ignoring shoshin and her reads, what do you think of other players?
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If you're talking about the game I modded for that first one, you're confusing Sashaddin with Shoshin. Hilarious cluster of a game though.In post 588, AlmostNancy wrote:
First game: The one you were an Even Night Cop and got Vigged N1 and Flavor Leaf faked Masons with Scum Creature. I was the Town RB.In post 544, Shoshin wrote:
Can you remind me when we played together?In post 537, AlmostNancy wrote:Come on, Shoshin. You played both me and my naughty twin brother (AP).
Second game: I was using my alt (AP) and I fake claimed Vengeful. (And now I'm second guessing myself if you really were in that game. It was modded by Skygazer)-
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Why do you think this?In post 577, Shoshin wrote:Performer wagon has played out-
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@Varsoon
My experience with Shoshin is that she is always rather aggressive and asks very, very good questions of people which really press them to explain their line of thinking in a sortable way. She's like a math teacher constantly demanding every student show their work so even if they're wrong we can see how they got there or if they're right we know they weren't cheating off of someone else's post. I frequently disagree with her conclusions but her method has proven very valuable but also frequently lynchbaity because there's a stubbornness and frequent empty voting employed. You don't have to follow her conclusions but you should investigate her meta to see that this is in line with her town game.-
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I've been amused that while I've been more hesitant to hand out hard reads (which is my style but can look like scum keeping options open) and not even explaining the ones I've given, you were FOSing elsewhere.In post 568, Varsoon wrote:Nauci's posts actually ping me really hard as scum and I don't have much reason besides 'gut'.
I'm sure a better player can make a better case there if Nauci is actually scum, though.
The game I modded had like >600 Saudade posts so I see no reason to form strong cases for anything yet, with probably 50+ pages left to go on Day 1. My stance on performer and xtoxm is based on a very strong reaction to the few posts they have but I just don't have enough information this game to form strong opinions.
Keyser, Skitter30, and AlmostNancy—what are your thoughts on Performer's reaction to the scumreads on him? Or on Shoshin moving off the wagon?
@shoshin how have you only rolled scum once? Please tell TW and I of your secrets. Do you sacrifice virgins to RNGesus?
@varsoon I thought I was explicitly explaining that A: this behavior is within town-shoshin bounds even if it could be scum it shouldn't be the basis for a case, and B: we (the players I'm familiar with here) appreciate her for turning up evidence but do not sheep her reads
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I'm not saying you shouldn't. I'm even specifically saying that I've not been the towniest town who ever did townIn post 604, Varsoon wrote:@Nauci: Yeah, dude, Shoshin's town, you don't have to convince me of that.
You can talk long and hard about the existence of your own spine this game, but until you prove it, I'm going to doubt you.
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Irrelephant and I manipulated teacher a lot when we rolled scum together in his first game on the site
Sorry bud
He was very calm, analytical, and effortful that game (again, apologies for framing you up as an IIOA patsy or something), and I expect him to do the same here when he finally gets in here. I don't have the same hopes for xtoxm who's been reading but not contributing, but I don't know him at all. Performer I've seen try hard but not sure what to make of his reactions here.
I'm admittedly hopeless at reading creature or NM, and likely Saudade, whose style amuses and perplexes me.
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Talk me through this one duckyIn post 662, the worst wrote:Performer-
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No, I recently tunneled him while he was actually townIn post 707, skitter30 wrote:
why do you think 700 is townie for him? did he recently fool you as scum or something?In post 703, Nauci wrote:700 seems towny to me but I don't know if I'll ever trust my read on Keyser again lol
Keyser xtoxm only has like 8-10 posts please check because it's the other prominent wagon
Okie I'm going back to sleep until my hives go away
Yes, yes I do have the worst medical luck
I like this and it's part of why I have bad feelings about Keyser (but also, there's a lack of real time interaction on that slot)In post 731, Shoshin wrote:
I find this sort of post very scummy. I haven't looked into it before but I have a sense that scum talk about needing to "reread" a major wagon without weighing in a lot more often than town, and it's especially common when the scum is posting about a whole bunch of stuff yet avoiding the main wagon he should be focusing on.In post 715, Performer wrote:I need to reread xtox for why he's being voted.
But I'll meta Performer before coming back to him.
This post makes me super suspiciousIn post 742, Performer wrote:
You know, I used to think creat was virtually auto town due to activity but that empty vote is alarming, and after that game where he was active in portions of it but slid by on a fake claim, I began realizing creat was developing his scum meta.In post 728, Creature wrote:Still leaning scum on teacher and Performer
@shos xtox has been forgettable, so have others, so I've had to reread his iso. Can go with an xtox vote.
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I want to say I disagree with all of theseIn post 700, Keyser Söze wrote:- town-Performer’s tone is just scummy (he’s never gonna be a mass town read player)
- ‘opportunistic’ jumping on wagons (here on the early wagons on Mitillos and Shoshin)
- is not methodical (he asks questions, but does he follow up with chasing answers, and do they help him?)
- lacks charisma (his drive and ‘energy’ is low this game)
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In post 760, Shoshin wrote:I'm talking about the player Not_Mafia, not some abstract notion about how mafia is supposed to work.
The way you talk about her is kind of bizarrely patronizingIn post 813, AlmostNancy wrote:
I am actually letting Nancy play the leading role here and confining myself to culinary services and strategic support. She deserves to actually PLAY the game while feeling a bit more secure than she does on her own, don't you think?In post 802, skitter30 wrote:@tw: the way a50 is playing rn is actually reminding me of jungle republic
idk if that's because he isn't really into it yet or if he's using memes to appear active
Once I've got her to beat that insecurity I will play as an equal.
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Mitillos
Town lean:
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Bad juju:
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Performer
The slot formerly known as teacher
Saudade
Keyser, buddy, come at me bro I want to see content from you
Case us already! (I assume Irrelephant11 is on board with this sentiment regardless of alignment)
I might move my vote to performer after a VC but for now I'm on mobile and haven't kept track-
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I knew I forgot some people while haphazardly making that list at my ophthalmologist appointment lol
Varsoon is lean town
Creature is as utterly unreadable as ever to me, so null
Irrelephant's claim I was skeptical of so I had as lean town until the flavor claim had me thinking about it some more I am now more confident in it
I wonder if SKrelephant would do something like this though
Also if he is town I hope scum don't have a shot of bp and murder him anyway because I'd be a sad panda!
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