BooneyToonz XV: Dance of the Dark Fairy [Third Moonlight]

[Sequence]

Hey folks.
Hi Miller toog/scum toog.

Would you ever claim miller as scum?

-Bell.

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@Bell: I don't think I've ever claimed Miller as Scum, but I have claimed Survivor.

Would you ever claim miller right out the gate like that as scum as your own idea as scum?

-bell

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Bell how disappointed are you to have rolled scum this game?

-A

if I had to put a number on it zero, because it didn't happen.

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K.

Role of two's.

Rei and Toog are prolly both town.

Good stuff.

-Bell.

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You two should town block with me. *wags tail*

-Bell.

Also, what are you talking about, I rolled scum 3 times in a row, I've paid my dues to mafia scum for the new calandar year and will not roll scum until my 5th game.

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@Bell: I don't think I've ever claimed Miller as Scum, but I have claimed Survivor.

Would you ever claim miller right out the gate like that as scum as your own idea as scum?

-bell

Hell no.

I'm far too passive of a player. I fully expect to be vigged if we have one.

Heck yeah! I thought so.
Thanks for being an IC this game Toog.

[Sequence]

bell surely you couldn't have done it again, right? surely your role pm is green this time?

~ rei

I did not.
Did you?

[Sequence]

He sounds very honest to me. So I consider him a freebie.

[Sequence]

Don't mod kill the IC.
For shame.

Other people seem eagerish.
ydrasse does indeed seem townish, but it's all tone. LT I think.

I dunno what to make of lunar pressure on Toogoloo. My approach was probably much more productive.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Bell are you free from scum hell?

Yes.

*sigh* that sucked.

@Rcenigma: Cool, why?

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Don't mod kill the IC.
For shame.

Other people seem eagerish.
ydrasse does indeed seem townish, but it's all tone. LT I think.

I dunno what to make of lunar pressure on Toogoloo. My approach was probably much more productive.

-Bell.

My approach was much better and if you disagree you're Mafia. VOTE: Sequence
That vote is directed at Bell in particular.

You sound bitter and jealous.
I forgive you.

-Bell

[Sequence]

Bell are you free from scum hell?

Yes.

*sigh* that sucked.

@Rcenigma: Cool, why?

-Bell.

Why vote you? Why do I like chromium? Why do I think less of everyone else? Gotta be specific.

Why do you think everyone but Chromium so far is scummy?

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Reading is tough.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Bell are you free from scum hell?

Yes.

*sigh* that sucked.

@Rcenigma: Cool, why?

-Bell.

Why vote you? Why do I like chromium? Why do I think less of everyone else? Gotta be specific.

Why do you think everyone but Chromium so far is scummy?

-Bell.

Chromium had the only slightly townish post I read through 2 pages.

So you're saying that Toogoloo's miller claim was not townie, when that's pretty much the definition of the advised town play if you roll miller?
You're better than this.

-Bell.

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*sigh*
If you could read Toog's response and think he's lying you're not good with tone.
But sure. Toog could be scum. Just explain why he would fake claim as miller person 1 when there might be other millers out there who would also claim and explain his mind set or at the least investigate itand you might almost be pretending to scum hunt.

We're a cat.

[Sequence]

Does flavor give Safe claims?
I don't remember getting one in our last game.
-B.

[Sequence]

*sigh*
If you could read Toog's response and think he's lying you're not good with tone.
But sure. Toog could be scum. Just explain why he would fake claim as miller person 1 when there might be other millers out there who would also claim and explain his mind set or at the least investigate itand you might almost be pretending to scum hunt.

We're a cat.

Do you want 1 scenario or multiple?

I don't know, do you care what Toogoloo's alignment is?

[Sequence]

Checking in. I haven't read the thread yet and probably won't until tomorrow.
~Ircher

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Also, please don't spam the thread. My time is limited.
~Ircher

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Hi Cakez,

-Bell

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Man....I feel like everyone but chromium is scum here
VOTE: sequence

Welcome to the town block

Don't mod kill the IC.
For shame.

Other people seem eagerish.
ydrasse does indeed seem townish, but it's all tone. LT I think.

I dunno what to make of lunar pressure on Toogoloo. My approach was probably much more productive.

-Bell.

This post is fake as fuck

Bell are you free from scum hell?

Yes.

*sigh* that sucked.

@Rcenigma: Cool, why?

-Bell.

Why vote you? Why do I like chromium? Why do I think less of everyone else? Gotta be specific.

Why do you think everyone but Chromium so far is scummy?

-Bell.

Scum caught for the wrong reasons mad

Why are people massclaiming stop giving scum shit
We won't catch anyone from this

Okay Cakez. Why do you suck?

[Sequence]

This is a reference to Among us so poorly applied that it doesn't even make any sense.

[Sequence]

It sucks to be caught so early sorry Bell

And this is a reference to xenoblade and smoke filled chamber.

Enigma, to my knowledge you aren't the best scum hunter, so why would you bet your valuable wings after the hair incident?

[Sequence]

This is a reference to Among us so poorly applied that it doesn't even make any sense.

How
They massclaimed rooms day 1 and it helped scum a ton
Massclaiming flavor here only gives scum free info for negligible town gain

No I bolded the scum caught for the wrong reasons thing.
You're applying what happened to me in among us with Titus to here. Titus identified me as scum but identified me as scum for all the wrong reasons since none of them applied.
That doesn't apply here because 1: Nothing like that or with that type of set up has happened here. 2: I'm town.

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feeling town!cakez here from the entrance. -koba

It feels kind of generic to me. The gut hunting is about right as is the vicious tone and he tends to assert dominance (see Martian? or something in which he basically said "what the fuck is this." But he can sound like this as scum too, see Among us in which he was fairly generic good scum.

I have a feeling this is gunna be one of those Bell gets run up but then he spam solves and it becomes increasingly obvious he's town this game, games.

[Sequence]

Eh, we'll get along this game if you're town Cakez,
You should conceivably be able to recognize me.

[Sequence]

Yeah Ircher said he was going to post tomorrow.

Who're you?

-Bell.

Ircher wall quotes all day. Hard to miss him.

[Sequence]

Why are you voting me before I answer your question?

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No, I mean why are you voting me before I answer your question.
Does the answer even matter if you're voting me before I give an answer.

Do you plan to unvote me if I give the right answer?

[Sequence]

So you're saying that Toogoloo's miller claim was not townie, when that's pretty much the definition of the advised town play if you roll miller?
You're better than this.

-Bell.

How do you know he's not scum faking a miller claim? What makes his miller claim townie when miller or scum, he would claim straight away anyway?

I believe Toogoloo when he says he wouldn't proactively make a fake claim as scum day 1.

[Sequence]

He is quite passive day 1 as both town and scum in my limited experience with him.
He put himself in the spotlight when he's usually off in the corner somewhere chewing on some Bamboo or whatever Panda's eat.
He has described his own scum game as "obvious scum, that somehow, never gets eliminated" or something to that effect at any rate.
There's really no need to draw attention to himself.

Though for whatever reason, Toogoloo didn't get many questions thrown at him before I got pressured.
The focus should have been on him more because he's an easy solve imo. You have a wonderful conversation started and instead.

Well I get to talk to everybody that votes me and I get to sort them instead so that's actually cool now that I think about it.

[Sequence]

I believe this is standard practice. Are you new to mafia, Bell?

Nope. I have around 30-40 games under my belt. Though I'm used to being a little bit of a hyperactive poster and getting wagoned early. It's fairly typical because I tend to post so much and people just mistake content for whatever really.

@Murder, Hi there. How're you?

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Also for the record, I'm not pulling a Bell-Scum on Noraa-scum.

I guess I've just had a few miller/aesthetic claims in games before and I always ask the same question and they always wind up being town.
I think Toogooloo's answer was pretty townie.
Chromium and Murderkitty agree I guess?

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Bell, I believe the point of your 76 was that the miller claim itself is townie, regardless of the player behind it. You worded it such that it's townie because it's advised play for millers to claim instantly. Am I incorrect?

I think that Toogooloo did the optimal thing if he's town here as is agreed upon by most of the community.
Town miller? Claim as early as possible.

Scum fake claiming as miller?
Claim whenever you want.

I think by conception Toogooloo is a passive player and he said so himself. It's unlikely he came up with a fake claim and decided to run with it for fun. He does not seem like the planning type from my limited experience with him.

[Sequence]

I’d rather sort Toog slot from play than assume he’s just town for a claim.

You don't need permission to do this.

[Sequence]

I think you should just assume I'm Town.

Then why are you voting town by quoting a post town made?

[Sequence]

The post said if I voted for you you'd talk to me.

and so I did. What did you want to talk about?

[Sequence]

I hope you have fun in team mafia all.
I didn't join because the guilt from not having a scum game and dragging my team down when/if we rolled scum would have sucked.

@Lunar: I found Toogooloo town and asked a question that he answered well with what appears to be sincerity. It's not entirely thanks to me that his claim is probably town, because how he answered/hesitated to answer might mattered the most he earned the town assessment himself. But the intent of the question was to get him to respond. He said he was bad scum, faking pretty good sincerity like that is a good, AI step for town him.
That's the last I'll say on this matter. I've explained my reasoning in full. If you disagree cool. Toogooloo isn't going anywhere, so feel free to question him to your own satisfaction instead of jumping down my throat for getting the game rolling.

I will help find or (mistakenly) not find mafia as the game continues.

-Bell.

Ircher quote wall posts.

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Haven't read up yet but first things first

claiming PGO

<- blegh ew role
Also VOTE: Murdercat

-noraa!

Why did you decide to claim this?

NEG UTIL BAYBEY

-noraa!

PGO is contrabooned. Why are you claiming it?

Oh,
well that's interesting.

[Sequence]

I should probably share this.
Flavorleaf described his boonie toon's games as ones in which the town need to solve the roles/set up actively in order to win.

So keep that in mind when trying to solve later down the line.
I am also ass at set up speculation.

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Miller Claim

Fabulous. I don't believe it.

Hardclaim ascetic

I don't believe this either.

Also, what are you talking about, I rolled scum 3 times in a row, I've paid my dues to mafia scum for the new calandar year and will not roll scum until my 5th game.

But we're a hydra... Hydra luck is different from main account luck.

whats ur prediction for number of scum? I'm going with 4 again. -koba

3rd party chance seems somewhat high (>30% I'd say) considering the theme-y nature of this game. (As opposed to say the last one.) In particular, the renaming of the phases is a really different change, so it's almost guaranteed some roles play around with that. A 3rd party role relating to the funky naming scheme seems a good candidate.

So with that said, my guess is either 12-4 or 12-3-1. Also, it's worth pointing out we're starting on evens. I think that points further towards the possibility of 3rd party here.

flavor text?

(Don't answer that. Bad question.)

this looks like u took the names and just put them into a random list generator and then tiered them randomly. -koba

(I bet that's exactly what happened.)

That vote is directed at Bell in particular.

It certainly couldn't have been directed at me as I hadn't posted yet!

lol alisae and I were literally just discussing this - > thinking this is an oopsie doopsie scumslip myself

Ah yes, the magical "scum slip". Those things only exist in mafia fairytales.

can everyone else who is here claim creature too thx

No. This is pointless; the setup will solve itself in due time.

We're a cat.

I will have to have a word with Bell about fakeclaiming, but we are

NOT

a cat.

I think your willingness to assume that was a scum slip suggests that you're the scum.

Sadly, these kinds of things are a common misconception. It is not scum indicative for the player in question.

Noraa isn't in this game tho

I'm pretty sure she is actually based on sig lines.

I've had the most difficulty parsing so far

Okay, then take the time to adjust your parsing method.

I have work in half an hour please post no more than 10 pages pls ty.

Sadly, that's impossible in a large theme.

I'll bet my wings sequence is mafia.

Are you sure you want to?

I townread samantha for attempting to quickly get flavour claims to potentially catch overlaps.

Ha, no.

bell does have a tendency to get ran up early-game/piled upon + i've taken advantage of that as scum before

Great! So do I! Makes you wonder why we're getting run up regardless.

Haven't read up yet but first things first

claiming PGO

<- blegh ew role
Also VOTE: Murdercat

-noraa!

PGO? Aren't those contrabooned? Maybe not; might be confusing it with the normal roles blacklist.

Sequence are you Bell or Ircher when not signing.
Just Bell?

I will always sign unless I forget.

ALSO! EVERYONE COWER IN FEAR! I HAVE HYDRA'ED THE MOST AMAZING SCUMHUNTER ON THIS PLANET!

-NORAA

AMAZING! I CAN SHOUT AS WELL!

I don't see the downside in talking about it. I try to be more cautious in discerning between elimbaity behavior and scum behavior when I get a certain feel from a player.

Good. Too many people don't do this very important thing.

PGO is contrabooned. Why are you claiming it?

Oh, my instinct was right... PGO would be OP in a Booneytoonz setup like this one anyway.

Are you even reading the same post I'm reading?

-Noraa!

No, she (Nylaa) isn't.

Also! I'm radiating townie energy! Can people hurry up and locktown me and then I can be the town leader!

-Noraa!

Only if you tell me who the scum are.

To post 226.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

Enigma, Lunar, Cakez, Nylaa, Angel
~Ircher

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VOTE: Sequence

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Angel is bleedingly obvscum.

..I have class tomorrow at 9:30. I should get off...
~Ircher

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VOTE: Flea the Magician

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I'll go read it I guess

I still want to hear why Noraa is scum, but honestly Bell scum seems to crack under pressure so I'm mostly interested in chatting with Bell right now.

Good morning. Sup?

-Bell

[Sequence]

Samantha's been pretty focused on using the information available to her to capitalize and get reads. You can wifom on it and hedge, certainly, though more often than not it's just what it says on the package.

Oh look, Toog with a good take.

I rarely self vote. Ircher did.

-Bell.

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What's your read on Noraa Bell?

I slapped her with a TR on initial post and then subsequently backed up for subsequent posts.
I think she emphasized the green role aspect with intent.I do believe they were clumsy on their entrance and trying for something that needs to be resolved later as per flavorleaf game designer preference for proactive solving.
I believe them when they said they wouldn't claim PGO if they knew it was banned. Noraa can be sloppy with fake claims *Per xenoblade 2 where she pretty much outted herself by claiming day 2*

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Noraa would not do that again after death curse, she is very meta aware. She uses the term "green pm" all the time. I know I'm 100% certified by the board of reading Noraa.

ILYSM!!!!
Ok Murder can be town. I'm having hardcore Yellowstone vibes rn where I mindmelded with Infinity and we blocked up and found each other super fast. It's this soul connection.

-Noraa

Is this true though? You are self-aware, but you are also clumsy as scum. You even pointed this out by noting that your own self-awareness gets you caught up and suspected heavily for playing around your own play.

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Noraa can be sloppy with fake claims

WOAH WOAH WOAH THERE. Say what?
I never fake claimed myself in Xenoblade. Don't lie. Bork gave us fake role pms.

I have never in my entire history on mafiascum straight up fakeclaimed before. I kinda messed up on my gambit here but like you really think scum!me is going to decide to fake claim something, tell the scum pt, and no ones gonna realize that the damn role can't exist in this setup?

Bell is literally confscum for scum reading me here. I am obvious town and he knows it way too well

It's alright. We'll flip you today and when you flip red, everyone can thank me and my awesome scumhunting

-Noraa!

The definition of a fake claim is a claim that is not true. Regardless of the source of your fake claim.
How you claimed was clumsy and scummy. Bork didn't give you your clumsiness nor your poor timing.

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The definition of a fake claim is a claim that is not true. Regardless of the source of your fake claim.
How you claimed was clumsy and scummy. Bork didn't give you your clumsiness nor your poor timing.

Ok so I ran in and said I was PGO. How is that clumsy? What is the purpose in doing that if scum?
Do explain to me, scum.

-Noraa

I was saying in Xenoblade how you claimed was clumsy and scummy.

Here it's something that needs to be solved with discretion. But it was clumsy because as mentioned, you claimed a banned role out the gate and so the first thing you did when you got here was lie.

[Sequence]

I've made my position on flavor's game design clear.
We have to solve for the roles and idiosyncrasies to sort town from scum.

Eventually, this will need to be explained. Whether it's townie or scummy will have to wait for the explanation fmpov.

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Noraa, glass houses.

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Hey Gamma.

I believe the answer to toogooloo's am I eliminate bait as either alignment y/n is a soft yes. He's not the easiest elimination in the world but he's probably on the high end.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Is Angel normally this loud?

lol yeah

Definite yes.
As either alignment.
-Bell.

[Sequence]

Why do you TR Norwe?

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Sorry I couldn't townhunt for you?

Apology accepted!

pedit:

I think it's kinda scummy when people do a vote and then add stuff after the vote, it's like one of those really little things that scum do more often than town in a nonrandom frequency

-A

Is this in relation to Nyae? Do you have data or is this an anecdote thing? I have actually done this sometimes as scum before. But anecdotes are anecdotes.

Sorry I couldn't townhunt for you?

Apology accepted!

pedit:

I think it's kinda scummy when people do a vote and then add stuff after the vote, it's like one of those really little things that scum do more often than town in a nonrandom frequency

-A

Might be worth exploring later but I'm not sure I agree completely. It seems more like a stylistic choice.

I can't imagine it being a conscious stylistic choice to vote first and then add reasons or forget to vote after adding a bunch of reasons etc.

The most I'm seeing is "Nah, don't really feel it".

This is fairly clear cut. Yes.

[Sequence]

Why do you TR Norwe?

-Bell.

Do you have anything else to say?

-Noraa

Yes. I usually have a lot to say. This time is no exception.

[Sequence]

Bad wagons tend to stall. There's not much resistance to it, just not much support for it.

Ok well then if there's not much support, why would scum feel inclined to put effort into stalling it?
Also I'd like to bring up Death curse, a game where scum!me made it to E-2 in a large theme approximately one hour into day 1. Who says scum wagons can't be flash wagons?

-Noraa!

They certainly can be flash wagons and town can derail them due to getting cold feet or getting nervous about them. Or latching unto what somebody says etc.

Also, you stopped role playing suddenly? I prefer this Noraa.

-Bell

[Sequence]

Oh Alisae got banned for conceding early.

That sucks.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

I mean, I actually haven't seen much like a reason for the votes on us in the first place.
The scum team is relatively passive as an entity this game, imo.

[Sequence]

this is because we don't have scum partners and the scum team isn't very good at finding stuff to do.
IMO.
-Bell.

[Sequence]

Bad wagons tend to stall. There's not much resistance to it, just not much support for it.

Ok well then if there's not much support, why would scum feel inclined to put effort into stalling it?
Also I'd like to bring up Death curse, a game where scum!me made it to E-2 in a large theme approximately one hour into day 1. Who says scum wagons can't be flash wagons?

-Noraa!

Scum would probably at least be doing more to promote an alternative right? The whole game is kind of stalling out.

Is a stalled out game good or bad for scum? Do tell me.

-Noraa

A stalled out game is good for scum, especially when the only wagon is on town.

-Bell

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Toogeloo, Flea The Magician RCEnigma Special BROvert Ops [Almost50 + Gamma Emerald] Klick NorwegianBoyEE

who wants to sell me on like, two townreads in this group

-A

Bell sell me on one scumread here

-A

Rcenigma, I could be wrong, but he's fence sitting a lot. Makes relatively banal points, makes sure to keep doors open on other players etc.
I'm not moving the vote though. I'll let Ircher do it when he wants to.

But yeah, I would be voting Rcenigma RN if I was alone.
Though take it with a grain of salt, I have an issue where I tend to scum read people I've played with who were scum before. Rather, I have a predisposition to it. Only as town though.

@Cakez, I would ask the opposite question here. What about this game and this game state is different? Arguably you should be able to correctly identify the game state at any point in the game.
I'll give you a hint.
We're town.
-Bell.

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Oh my oh my this is the legendary scum Ircher isnt it?

-Noraa!

I see Hectic has been spreading tales about me, building up my reputation. Sadly, they are just that: tales and stories. My scum game is much less glamorous than you would expect.

Hey Ircher! Wheres the analyzing?

It will come in due time. You must not rush the process.

I agree with this. I'd like to hear why you don't believe the miller or ascetic claims, Ircher.

I decline.

I am obvtown

You are as obvtown as you were in Pooky versus Flavor Leaf. Take that as you will.

Where is the huge Ircher wall case?

Have I not stated to you before that I don't do cases? Cases are overrated.

If this is town!Ircher I will eat my socks.

Mhmmm... Go ahead then.

I think Ircher left. I find his wall very scummy. He seems to be commenting for the sake of commenting on a lot of things. For example, he responds to two posts about the PGO claim, but makes no comment on what that means for Angel's alignment.

Him calling them bleedingly obvscum also seems odd as a genuine reaction.

(Noting this for later.)

Really? Based on what

That's the million dollar question, isn't it? Sadly for you, I decline to answer.

Bell and Ircher are suuuuuper obvious scum

Not as obvious as you are.

Like so obvious I'm sitting here like "this cant fucking be real right?"

Because maybe it isn't? But do keep posting--you'll dig yourself a deeper hole.

Angel is bleedingly obvscum.

..I have class tomorrow at 9:30. I should get off...
~Ircher

Absolutely hating these two fake scum reading each other.

Nope. Definitely not fake. This reads as a fake take bait.

Where I'm looking for in scum sorted by likelihood.

You know, I find that ordering really weird considering how much Flea had posted at the time.

This is Ircher 101
saying this as someone who has hydraed with him
I find Bell's comments to be scummier than anything Ircher posted

This is actually wrong, but Cakez can still be town despite it.

Seriously? I was scum in PookyvFlava and not even paying attention and I know that is not town!Ircher.

Your sample size with me is one and a quarter games. I doubt you've read any of my other games. That's hardly enough evidence for you to be so confident here.

I have a slight problem with cake not thinking there is something wrong with Ircher because that ircher wall was seriously horrible and I don't even know what else to say about it.

I see you have not picked up at all on my mafia perspective. Well, we shall see how far this gets you.

Can I be honest? I skim Ircher walls for my name and otherwise only read if there is something I actually want to know lol

I'll go read it I guess

Probably smart. I do something similar from time to time (for other wallposters).

his tone is like 20 billion miles off

And the first thing that you think of is that's indicative of scum!me? Well let me let you in on a secret--you're missing the big picture here. Too much focus on the details and not the overall image.

At bottom of page 14.
~Ircher

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Definitely not drunk nor am I using it as an alibi. You are being extremely naïve here. @Angel
~Ircher

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VOTE: Rcenigma

Miscommunication on hydra ground rules.

@Titus? you don't have to explain you're pressuring to sort.

DKoba is fairly interesting aggro scum if scum. I haven't the pleasure of being alive in a game with them though.

-Bell

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@Titus? you don't have to explain you're pressuring to sort.

Not sure what you're asking.

Why you're saying you're pressuring to sort. Well, that plus a little bit of a mental note.

[Sequence]

I'm aware, I guess after Dkoba tackling you, you decided to just say it out loud to explain your position at the expense of some of that pressure you're putting on Gamma, to quiet them down and reduce suspicion?
It's a good reason to pressure Gamma early, sure.

I'm not going to get in the way of people pressuring one another.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

I'm aware, I guess after Dkoba tackling you, you decided to just say it out loud to explain your position at the expense of some of that pressure you're putting on Gamma, to quiet them down and reduce suspicion?
It's a good reason to pressure Gamma early, sure.

I'm not going to get in the way of people pressuring one another.

-Bell.

Join us.

I'm going to mbos this again, it's just my natural inclination. Consider me with you in spirit.

[Sequence]

Town reads for me...

Sequence
Samantha
Lunar Martian
Flea (slightly)

... o.o

ngl this scares me.

Why?

-bell

[Sequence]

Allllrighty, should be trucking along soon, so I'm gonna establish some "ground rules". Once I start getting into catching up, I'm going to try to focus on that, but I will try to respond whenever someone has a question or response for me. Do keep in mind, however, that sustained dialogue will sidetrack me from the catch-up so I don't want that to happen too much. I don't wanna have another Smoke Filled Antechamber where I end up continuously getting sidetracked and failing to make up ground.

-Henry

Sure, don't overcommit and take care of yourself please.
You wouldn't be evil enough to invite a player to hydra with you as scum would you?

-Bell

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@Gamma, Cool, I look forward to what you do since it sounds like you want to be here.
ah, I didn't realize A50 was the one here first.

@Sircakez? Are we still in your scum reads? Because if so,
your reads are wrong. though also, I like your hesitation.

-Bell

Hi unwnd.

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I'm here. Expect fireworks.

-Henry

*prepares hot chocolate and mint choc nibbles*

Town reads for me...

Sequence
Samantha
Lunar Martian
Flea (slightly)

... o.o

ngl this scares me.

Why?

-bell

Look at my location, and look when we've played. I rarely - if ever - get town read this early.

Why not ask Toogoloo to explain his read on you?

-Bell.

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Like BAWLS am I challenging a free townread in a game this big, this early. Especially from a player I TR.

Besides, I'm still waiting on my tea party guest.

Dips choccy in hot choc and monches*

You aren't really challenging a TR by asking them what their TR is for. Though sure, the more information provided the more likely it is to be scrutinized.
I don't think it's wise not to challenge those that TR you. Or at least, I try to make an effort to.

-Bell

[Sequence]

Yeah that's what I mean actually. There has to be a certain degree of skepticism on your part if you retain the behavior you have so far

I'm just wondering where it comes from at this point

Probably because people keep telling me my reads are wrong

Why tf does that matter? I caught scum early in the game and everyones ignoring it and calling me scum because apparently "Ircher and Bell are just sooooooo towny"

-Noraa

No, you didn't.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Different is the beginning of a question,
not the end of one.

You not truly investigating the why of something is scummy.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

And before you ask,

Rcenigma is simply scummier.

And no, we're not scum partners with Angel. Thanks for coming to my ted talk and taking me at my word instead of getting confused about stuff.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

No, you didn't.

-Bell.

Thats all you have to say to me?

-Noraa

I don't want to get into a shit flinging contest. So I have wisely decided that yes, that's all I have to say to you, unless there are other pressing questions you'd like me to ask.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

I don't want to get into a shit flinging contest. So I have wisely decided that yes, that's all I have to say to you, unless there are other pressing questions you'd like me to ask.

-Bell.

That's not it at all. You're deciding whether or not you want to flip that crappy SR on me bc it looks terrible.

-Noraa

You seem to be confusing me with scum that cares about that.
I don't like being pressured. Your read is the equivalent of a spot the differences kindergardener's book. I have contempt for it. I have contempt for this wagon that doesn't have a good reason for existing and I have contempt for every town and scum player in this game that are too lazy to play and just decided to sit on us.

Thanks.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Noraa just quotes posts and like summarizes them with no actual case sometimes.

Oh L
Murdercat is scum here.

-Noraa

What an awful read.

-Sequence.

[Sequence]

because as far as I know Ircher is praised for their scumgame and this doesn't feel like renowned scum.

I'm really not, and this is the first I've heard of people thinking I'm renowned scum.

I also think your post says very little of substance.

also bringing this unforgivably bad post back
this is the scummiest post in the thread

(In relation to 115 It raises an eyeball or two, yes, but EVEN IF it is "scummy", that's doesn't mean it necessarily comes from scum.

ohh the role pm thing is a good catch that seems real

Are you referring to Noraa saying her pm is green here? Because if so, it really isn't a good catch as there are way too many other factors to consider.

There are certain aspects of Noraa's play which always ping me as scummy, mostly because I hate noise in games. I did find it odd that Noraa stated getting a "green pm" when it's clearly white, even in the Sample PM and by the host's own words. Noraa is a self admitted "town-slip faker," to appear more town as scum. I'd argue if Noraa uses this frequently, then this just more points at a scum-Angel.

VOTE: Angel Wings

Seriously, this is where your analysis led? Of all the things that Noraa has done this game, the green role pm thing is the

least

scum indicative thing they've done this game. It could very very very easily been an honest mistake; town role pms are normally of a green light. I imagine most of us do not stare at role pms and look at every detail; we skim them for the important stuff and things like the lighting being white instead of green is something easily overlooked. Furthermore, this is the

exact

kind of thing that the rule against quoting role pms is meant to prevent. Game moderators do not want players breaking the game simply by inspecting every little detail and scum reading people who get a detail wrong.

Ok so summary of that huge wall ... Bell/Ircher are super scummy but Vote: Noraa

Oh good, I'm not the only one who thought that was a terrible presentation. (Also, that post hardly qualifies as a

huge

wall. A wall, yes, but not huge.)

Spoiler: Pages 1-5
*snip*

No offense, but what's inside that spoiler is unreadable. It is complete and utter rambling without any cohesive organization or context.

...The rest of the post is formatted the same way... I will be probably be glossing over this slot then unless/until it is formatted in a way where I can parse it...

Norway you roll scum?

This is a completely random post.

Their tone is simply wrong.

Great! You can spot a different tone! Now take it to the next level and analyze the possible reasons I may want to give a different tone.

Ircher just isnt that jokey.

Just cuz I am serious most of the time doesn't mean I can't or don't joke around. Regardless, this is a non-point.

irchers first post was highly highly scum indicative.

It would help you greatly if you dissected the post and stated specifically what is so scum indicative rather than making such broad, sweeping statements that have very little weight to them.

What do you make of the votes on you?

I quite frankly don't care about them. Angels is the only one I have an actual read on here. I may have a few other minor reads, but I would have to review my notes.

Make me.

Cakez's advice is good; you cannot burn all your bridges. Defiance doesn't help your case.

I think this wagon on Sequence build up a bit too fast. And it's also kinda nonsensical to judge Ircher for a single post when the game was still in RVS.

Nah, people are free to judge. They just need to think more critically rather than leaping to the first explanation that pops into their head.

VOTE: Norwegian

*Still willing to push sequence through

Fine q.q Norwee I'm voting you in spirit
VOTE: Sequence

Bad progression Mr. Enigma.

As long as we don't do something terribly stupid we are guaranteed a scum flip day 1.

You're so confident. How are you going to convince people you aren't bussing us with that confidence?

ok well someone has to be scum here and my SRs keep getting shot down

Nylaa, Angels, and RCEnigma are three of them. Does that help?

To bottom of page 20.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

I feel no need to do so. I also do not feel like elaborating for the rime being; it suffices to say I am scum reading them at the moment.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

I am very much fine with us continuing to be voted.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

This doesn't feel like how you were in BT XIV, Ircher.

-Henry

Because it isn't.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

I am very much fine with us continuing to be voted.
~Ircher

Admittedly, Bell may not be, but my point remains.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

Like, it feels like Ircher is playing like Bell!scum? Am I off-base on this?

-Henry

Yes? ircher and I play nothing alike.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

To what end?

There is no end in mind. Either we're faded or we're not. If I were a betting man, I'd put the odds heavily in favor of us not being faded. The point remains though--continuing to vote us because of me is not going to progress the game.

Do you care to divulge some of why you are acting differently, if the reason isn't just that you're scum?

-Henry

Nope. Use those critical thinking skills to deduce the reason yourself.
~Ircher

I strongly suggest we do the dreaded ~Day 1 Massclaim~

No. Boonskiies is a very respectable moderator, and his games would therefore be unbreakable by Day 1 massclaim. Day 3 massclaim? Sure; sometimes the game swings heavily in one direction or an unforeseen interaction occurs. But day 1? No, absolutely not.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

I'm also going to roleclaim oneshot weak desperate friendly neighbor.

Seriously???????
~Ircher

[Sequence]

So to be clear.
Your role is stasis one mandatory. You die if you don't visit town.
it can end up being wifomy if you end up getting shot?

I don't understand why you chose to claim out here instead of in PT I would definitely would have been more willing to work with someone that wasn't pushing us to claim when we weren't sure whether we were dumped in a PT with scum. You essentially tried to strong arm me,
Into claiming before we were comfortable. It makes sense now that I know you have an expiration date.

-Bell

[Sequence]

We can talk in PT now it's not a real issue.
I'm not sure if Inversion is a thing this game.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

We can talk in PT now it's not a real issue.
I'm not sure if Inversion is a thing this game.

-Bell.

Doesn't the Magical Fairy have the inverted modifier?
~Ircher

[Sequence]

Clarification: I meant, whether there would be a counter to commuters etc.
In the prior boon game the scum team had a means of killing anyone by inverting them with a bunch of commuters.
I'm not sure this is the theme of this game.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Oh, but I am. Also, I have zero read on your head of the hydra.
~Ircher


pedit: Massclaiming is a horrible idea. It is almost certainly -Town EV day 1.

[Sequence]

He should be able to answer the miller mechanic question if stated as a hypothetical. Since there is probably a non-bastard standard answer for that.

-Sequence.

[Sequence]

I die if I target a miller, that is stated

Heh.
toog really is town then.
Probably.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

We can mass-claim moonlight phase 2, no sooner.

that's not compelling without a reason

too bad.

-Noraa

@Sam, PT.


-Bell.

[Sequence]

We can mass-claim moonlight phase 2, no sooner.

that's not compelling without a reason

too bad.

-Noraa

Why not just lie about your role?

-Bell

[Sequence]

Why are all the weak roles claiming? Y'all are like the ones that should 100% NOT be claiming right now.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

If you have a role with the modifier weak or loyal, you should not be claiming. You should be breadcrumbing your targets and that's it.

~Ircher

[Sequence]

If you have a role with the modifier weak or loyal, you should not be claiming. You should be breadcrumbing your targets and that's it.

~Ircher

[Sequence]

Quote this post or remember it but either Norwee dies or I give one of Cakez/Norwee a fruit and you see them either be confirmed town or me dead in the graveyard.

You realize that IF mafia have the inverted modifier or an ability related, they can easily fool you with this obvious a target. Again, the key here is to

breadcrumb

your target.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

I think if you kill

Norwee/Cakez/Angel/Lunar/Flea/Koba

You have some scum in the graveyard. No herosolves just probably some scum in there? OK? Ok.

I think if I were to weigh them on how confident I am it'd be like Norwee > Cajez > Angel > Flea > Koba.

Why do you town read engima?

-Bell.

[Sequence]

I don't, I have no strong townreads and if I did I would absolutely said something

I'm not connecting with the thread in ways that I like to

It sounds like you're forcing yourself.
I'm town if that helps any.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

That's a huge soulread Bell

You wanna be town for that? I'll let you

We are town. So I won't betray you.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Murdercat is one of those male lions.
All they do is sit around all day and let the women do all the work with a comment here and there.

that's honestly, prolly their town game.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

A whole bunch of people are being different, it's your job to figure out why and whether they're scum for it.

Not to find the fucking differences and then yeet them.

Yeesh.
-Bell.

[Sequence]

That's a huge soulread Bell

You wanna be town for that? I'll let you

We are town. So I won't betray you.

-Bell.

So what's your gut take on everything going on then. I'm having difficulty gaining from it.

There's actually a lot I can't talk about.

Since it has to do with role speculation.

I guess at the most basic level,
I think you, Sam, Murder, and toogooloo are likely town.

I think Rce is scum.

I don't know whether Noraa is scum or not. But I do know that they probably won't let this go unless they decide to change their mindset.

I have a weakish town lean on Cakez. Just because it's kind of inexplicable for him to actually respond to the "no ur wrng" that way as scum.

I'm not sure if Koba is serious with their sam scum read given...basic common sense. I also don't know what they gain as scum by hard arguing that they're scum when from a scum player's point of view they have a short shelf life. It's a short turn discred that comes back on themselves.

I can't get a handle on everyone. But I hope this gives you a rough approximation of where my head is at.
-Bell.

[Sequence]

Bell I need you to do something demonstrably townie before I commit actually. Your words were comfort, but I don't know how evil you like being as scum

I'm fairly respectful scum. I can get carried away but the worst thing I'll say to someone who's pressuring me as scum is probably roughly equivalent to "you are arrogant, foolish and here are all your mistakes you've made since you were in diapers, this is just another mistake you've made"

Which is honestly, fairly harsh.

I might go out there and lie about being town all day tho.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

It's not worthless, I do this type of questioning all the time as town.

I would argue that I practice less brevity in that less information is conveyed or the complexity of my statements is reduced.

However, I can post some serious walls as town later on, plus all the spam posting.
Please whether I feel excited or inspired.
Or feel in the mood to write.

I guess rather than saying brevity, I'm more vague.
I still make short posts as scum and town. But how I make long posts is quite different, but I don't think I've made many long posts as scum since I got back

-Bell.

[Sequence]

sam literally did this last g ame as scum where they tried to claim a clearish role and then lived 4 night phases and i still had to fight that they were scum when it was fucking obvious like im not going thru that shit again sorry not sorry.

Hey, I was in that game on the scum team and
this comparison doesn't make a lot of sense.

They'll die pretty soon if they aren't scum and there are other scum to find, so why not try to find them instead.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Scumteam is noraa, gamma, and fuckij n. That other person who is scum

-Aaaaa

Nyla?

-Bell.

[Sequence]

I forgot. The only thing that even stopped me a little was their, "if I were scum I'd totally push these guys wifom, which gave me pause."

But otherwise they've felt pretty innocuous with relatively little in the way of insight. fmpov. *shrug*

Uh, I have no read of Norwe.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Yes. You're very crazy.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

I'm also increasingly disturbed by people who are scum reading out slot desire to reason with us for what seems to be prolonged periods of time

Why is this so unusual to you? You can surely scum read a player while still seeking clarification/cooperating with them. It's not unusual at all.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

Rage Noraa looks townie

No.

martian had 0 votes and only the idea of him being mafia had been floated

that's casual

(In response to 545.) Yeah, samantha is right here, and it doesn't really make sense for you to be willing to out a neighborhood but not how many people are in it. The former is by far much more useful information than the latter.

typically Booneytoonz games are normal-esque enough that flavor safeclaims probably aren't needed
with the extensive flavor in this game, though, I think safeclaims would end up being provided.

I think this is a reasonable take, and it's also the most likely scenario.

Ircher still hasn't posted yet so i take back my doubts.

(Seriously? I think I've made it abundantly clear I'm rather busy during the week, and I mainly play at night.)

do something other than fish for info that isn't yours to have samantha.

explain your town motivation in pushing for this info - asap.

...Here we go....

Samantha is far from Booneytunes and she was not a powerwolf there.

I agree; her play was very different in Booneytoonz XIV. She was much quieter for starters.

oh right. 3rd party is a thing lol

<Comment Redacted>

You guys are throwing around a lot of names that aren't Sequence.

Perhaps because there are a lot of players not named Sequence?

Either you're town desperate for a lim that you're willing to discredit players while having no idea what you're talking about OR

From what I observed of DkKoba from the end if BooneyToonz XIV, they are very aggressive/abrasive and prone to doing stuff without critically evaluating the evidence.

At bottom of page 27.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

oh hey i got the jack of all trades title during this game. nice.

Congrats. Now you don't have to spam.

IM BACK! AFTER A CHEM EXAM AND SOME OTHER STUFF!!
HI!

-Noraa!

You sure have a bunch of exams in that one class.

Ok well then if there's not much support, why would scum feel inclined to put effort into stalling it?

You misread. The wagon has less support, so it stalls. It doesn't stall because scum are actively resisting it.

Also, you stopped role playing suddenly? I prefer this Noraa.

(And where have we seen that before?....)

Rcenigma, I could be wrong, but he's fence sitting a lot. Makes relatively banal points, makes sure to keep doors open on other players etc.

I don't really have meta with RCEnigma, but I do think this is in part due to Enigma's playstyle. More precisely, I think the low content volume and mystery vibe to his posting is a playstyle thing.

VOTE: titus

Bad vote. Let not your emotions lead you for they will plunge you into the darkness. The darkness that consumes all around it. Instead, follow the way of peace and tranquility and think critically. For by doing so, you will be a light unto the thread forever shimmering.

I'm seeing people voting for people who roleclaimed without involving their roleclaim in their reasoning at all

Maybe because they are easy to forget and have comparatively little bearing on alignment at this stage as opposed to reads?

To the bottom of page 34.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

The redacted comment was because i was going to comment on the post, but then realized I was misjudging the comment. I didn't feel like deleting the quote since that can be annoying on a mobile device, so I redacted it instead. It has no bearing on our alignment.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

I dislike the vehement push on Sequence without casing them either. All I've seen is Ircher posting comparisons between games.

Doesn't making a post comparison count as a case? Like I agree--Angels is probably scum, but not necessarily because of the way they're approaching me. It's more their general approach and style this game that sticks out.

Also also the irony is not lost on me that the Ircher and bell only really agreed on voting me as their too scumread but only after Lunar got the ball rolling and a bunch of maybes popped up.

This is quite frankly a misrepresentation of the situation. The vote was delayed not because of anyone's actions but rather Bell just wanted to confirm I was okay with it.

Angel being townread isn't that common? The amount of people willing to push angel though likely makes them town.

Eh not really. Not in Noraa's case anyway; from what she's said, she tends to get floated around as scum a lot Day 1 as both alignments.

Cakez I feel like your presence as well is a bit lacking, what are you exactly trying to do with your prodding and where do you feel uncertain in your commitment?

Idk, I feel SirCakez is posting like usual? His posts always seem to have a distinct quality to them as if they're missing something, but they come across as genuine enough. Although, he does seem a little less aggressive this game than what I've seen in the past.

I have a bit of righteous indignation on that front
after I get what I want to say in that regard off my chest that's when the catch-up really starts (though my process for doing this first step will like make the catch-up faster as I get farther into it).

-Henry

You sure are stalling a lot. The time spent making these posts could have been used to make an actual catch up post.

My big worry at the moment is your energy is WAY off the normal nora vibe, meaning I'm concerned

I'll townbin Flea.

I concur with Norwe that Koba has been disappointing

Disappointing perhaps, but DkKoba didn't really feel like scum. The only agenda they were pushing seed to be their own personal agenda. As in, they weren't trying to advance a more significant cause.

At the bottom of page 40.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

Reads Update:

These are my individual reads independent of my scum partner:

Super Town: samantha97
Town: SirCakez, Titus, unwnd (by claim only)
Kinda Town: MURDERCAT, Toogeloo, Flea the Magician, DkKoba
Kinda Scum: Nylaathria
Scum: Angel Warriors, RCEnigma

If you aren't listed, I haven't really been paying attention to you and thus have no read on you.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

*hydra partner

It's not a slip; don't even angleshoot that.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

I'm interested in your thoughts on Norwe if possible Sequence

You'll have to ask Bell; I don't really have a read there other than Norwe has posted relatively little this game.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

Quick ramble: can I just say if I knew A50 was gonna lurk so awfully I would swapped our tags, seeing as in the relevant flavor Charles is the chatty one and Henry is the quiet one?

I'm disappointed Almost50 isn't around. Did Almost50 give you a reason for their absence?

Looking at this game, I would say the needle points more towards mafia.

Eh, as town mason in Pooky vs. Flavor Leaf, MURDERCAT seemed very passive for the first two day phases. I think he's been more active/focused here than he was there, so I don't get how you think he's scum here.

casually leaked their pt with Lunar Martian in one breath and acted like it was incredibly sensitive information in the next.

Ah, I forgot about this. Add Rei and Asuka to my "Kinda Scum" category then.

As of right now I'd recommend you target me and magical fairy minds their business.

<Comment Redacted>

Norwee/Cakez/Angel/Lunar/Flea/Koba

You have some scum in the graveyard. No herosolves just probably some scum in there? OK? Ok.

That's like a third of the game. The probability is in favor of such; I don't see your point.

lol ok so ur whole case is that im somehow you

great case

Also a blatant lie

Fyi sequence was an "easy" target. Why was i not there?

Stop working backwards and then we can talk.
I really wonder who you think my "easy" targets were considering i was solo voting a bunch of ppl i voted and pushed for the most part and ppl yelled at me and i persisted anyways.

What is this post in response to? Like, without context, I can't really judge how sensible this post is.

Bell I need you to do something demonstrably townie before I commit actually. Your words were comfort, but I don't know how evil you like being as scum

I'm his hydra partner, but I think his play here is very different from both BooneyToonz XIV and Pooky vs. Flavor Leaf (where he was scum).

Can I just say for all that bluster about wanting massclaim sam dodged my request for a clear flavor

leaf

claim?

-Henry

I did notice that, but it isn't that important.

At bottom of page 47.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

VOTE: cake

New target!

Yeah no. Try again.

VOTE: lunar
Here I really want to shake this and I feel like people are posturing around him

I do somewhat agree. Martian's presence kinda died down as the game progressed. They are staying out of the spotlight.

scummy =/= scum
how many times do we have to teach you this lesson

-Henry

People never learn this. They bring up the same age old arguments again and again no matter how many times they are proven wrong.

RC Enigma wagon is kind of ass esp those Titus and Flea votes

Eh. Flea's vote is a sheep so can't say much about it. I didn't see much from Titus either, but I think she has either already explained (and I missed it) or she will explain in due time, so I'm reserving judgement.

Samantha claimed some weird ass 1-shot role

shes 3p

This comes across to me as you are searching for 3rd parties. Why? Why are you wasting your time on that rather than finding actual threats to the town; i.e.: actual scum?

congrats on responding to things that happened.... 400 posts ago?

<Comment Redacted>

The only confident read I have so far is Ircher is Town (That's Sequencer for 227)

This is interesting. Mind elaborating what you're seeing that everyoen else doesn't seem to be seeing? (At least not at that point in time.)

Hey catching up. Give me a minute to wake up and start some VCA.
Does anyone have any particular events I should look out for as I read?

Around page 41 is when samantha role claimed. That's about it.

At bottom of 1396.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

@MathBlade: Please combine multiple posts into one. You don't have to post everything at once, but please don't needlessly clutter the thread by posting and commenting on a single post at a time while you catch up.

~Ircher

[Sequence]

@MathBlade: Please combine multiple posts into one. You don't have to post everything at once, but please don't needlessly clutter the thread by posting and commenting on a single post at a time while you catch up.

~Ircher

That’s nigh on impossible on mobile. That really isn’t my style. I like to post instantly so people can see my inner thoughts and take me as I am. This helps me to be read by others as to keep the game moving forward. My posts are no different than anyone else going back and highlighting a post they find Townie/scummy and people responding.

Do you want me to not look at the beginning for some reason? Here I was thinking that it was likely you’re town but this is giving me second thoughts.

It is far from impossible. Every single post I have made on this game is on mobile. If you are on an Android phone, you can use gmail to compose your replies. If you are on an iPhone, just use the notes app. It really isn't that hard.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

jumping between events is only going to make your understanding of the progression of things cloudier, if you care(d) to understand them

Yay, someone things they can know how to replace in better and acts like they know me despite me replacing into mafia games for years like this. Please tell me more so I immediately don’t do that. If I seriously followed your suggestion you’d have to be okay with a post every week. This day one has gone one far far too long and needs to end.

I assure you, if you have a damn, that I always look at events and what happened past and present to get an understanding. You want town meta where I replace in using my strategy and catch the only scum in a 25 P game? I can fuckin do that. I may not be perfect, but I have quite frankly done what works for me and everyone else to read me. I may be slow on the up take on things but that’s natural state of being me.

What IS important is finding town and blocking it and fucking elimming someone because this day one has gone on far far too long. You have your way to play, I have mine.

Now I am going to ask you again, why are you so focused on flavor if it is not alignment indicative? I fail to see how hood(s) existing is relevant to alignment. Boonskiies loves messing with shit. It’s his MO. You’ve been pushing for really really antitown shit for what I have seen and I want to sort your motivations.

This reads like posturing to me.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

On the otherhand, I always scum read the person that was scum the last game I was in with them.

also, yeah I need to catch up now. Thread jumped a lot.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Just based on entrance, I think mathblade is scum because it doesn't really feel like he believes what he's saying.
Also, I entirely forgot who he replaced.
Oh, repped Norwe.
Hmm.

-Bell

[Sequence]

You'd think so and my votes been there most of the game. Nobody was interested and honestly I wasn't willing to wait forever while they prodge. So now I'm happy observing and ngl I want this wagon on me to pick up a more steam

I'm interested

But you can't answer my questions from the slot perspective..


Getting Math'd = tunneled by Math.

Hahahahaha I don’t tunnel quite as much as I used to anymore. I guess that’s kinda waned a lot more with my transition.

Pedit: Alas you are in my scum pool and I would consolidate on you as we need the day to end, but I kinda want to see if I can get Sam to actually be town versus a veneer of it. Their actions seem scummy so I am trying to figure out whether they are group scum, 3P scum, or just bad town.

What are y’all’s opinions?

I think you want to shut sam up and that you aren't thinking or empathizing with their pov.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Also, their angle is insane for scum to take, you should know better.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Huh, deja vu.
I think I said the same thing to rcenigma.

-Bell

[Sequence]

Math vomiting weird takes is exactly what I'd expect them to do as town here
Sooo

He does the same thing as scum.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Well, actually.
Not really.
he's mechanically solid until he goes nuts and calls you an inexplicable scum traitor role at the end of the game.
I still don't understand what he was saying there in that game.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

From the perspective of Samantha town with a limited shelf-life who self-resolves they are by definition at an advantage and can strong arm other people and not allow for themselves to be scrutinized because they are in, by definition, a superior social position.
They were not in the previous game we were in, in my opinion.

-Bell

[Sequence]

@Math: It is quite uncommon for scum to feel or fake that level of security in their own towniness.
Please link the game you are referencing in how you did the same thing in a previous game so that I can verify you claim.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Wish I could say the same, I sometimes feel like I'm a walking talking unintentional trust tell.

In those games did you claim day 1 unprompted and did you play with that fake claim in mind at the beginning of the game?

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Likewise, did you pose a significantly higher effort level in those games than your typical games or would you call it par for the course.

Because Samantha has all of those.
She literally crumbed her role the second Toog claimed miller.

You're not that good, and I doubt Samantha scum is that good either.

-Bell

[Sequence]

Wish I could say the same, I sometimes feel like I'm a walking talking unintentional trust tell.

In those games did you claim day 1 unprompted and did you play with that fake claim in mind at the beginning of the game?

-Bell.

Why did your slot vote itself?

Why are you asking me and not Ircher who would explain if he wanted to?

-Bell

[Sequence]

Ircher didn't discuss self-voting with you??

He did, I never self vote as town so I was like,
Dude.
Why.

and then he answered in a fairly conventional but he has his own method and his own way. I'm not going to interfere with that. If he wants to explain he will.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Well technically N1 because adventure,

I don’t look at the what someone says unless it’s backed up.

I look at the “how” it’s said and why they’re saying it and what their motivation is.

What prompted you to run that gambit N1?
What was your motivation there?

What was their motivation here?
I don't see much of a reason to approach like this unless you just look at the wall of words and think
well, it's bad to mass claim, but maybe she's scum fake claiming a role that could backfire terribly for the chance to get a bunch of other roles to claim.
If she has the guts for that.
Bravo.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

He is reading in this game tho

he read some, got bored, pretended to fish for information by asking people to summarize events he hadn't read, went back to reading and got bored again and started skimming, then moved to skimming my ISO instead of the thread

his posts since joining have been self-centered and defensive, and don't show a genuine interest in knowing what happened in this game or who mafia are

when you know all the answers you don't have to

VOTE: mathblade

Lol I am literally trying to sort someone who has been the center of this day. There comes a point when you do go back and forth. There comes a sweet spot where you keep current and go back. You’re more than welcome to push this incorrect narrative and hell, you may just even succeed. The question then becomes why were you able to?

I think because she has been the center of this day that there is a lot of information out in the open that points to her being town.
Shutting down this challenge from her point of view makes significant sense to me.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

if klickslot+norweeslot+ircher slot is 3/3 then this is the most wim-dictated game I've ever seen

not a hero solve just a thought that crossed my mind lol

-A

Lol, if you think I can play like this as scum.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Well, maybe that explains why you said ircher slot instead of mentioning me.
that hurts you know.

-Bell

[Sequence]

I would describe my play so far as all over the place and friendly in a way I wouldn't be comfortable with as scum.
Interacting and making myself largely available whenever I have spare time. Not lurking. Having relatively more nuanced reads and approaches than I have as scum.
With more solving than I usually have as scum too.

Likely, I missed a lot of questions. I'm a few pages spotty on a fully read game.

-Bell.

How would you describe your play so far?

[Sequence]

Samantha, back off of Math. Even if you're right, he'll give associatives. If you're wrong, town!Math will defend the scums, telling us who they are. Math is a poor execution day 1.

In our last game, didn't he die last on the scum team.
I can't remember if you made the same argument there.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

So your fake claim was even at the earliest a reaction to the game state, known roles and actions coming up in order to divert power role actions hypothesized or other.
I don't really see that being the case here with Samantha.

But okay.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

I'm not exactly keen on limming Math rn. I think he needs some time to work his magic before we pass judgment.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

A reads list from everyone would be nice.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

So your fake claim was even at the earliest a reaction to the game state, known roles and actions coming up in order to divert power role actions hypothesized or other.
I don't really see that being the case here with Samantha.

But okay.

-Bell.

But that’s literally what she said. She said a majority of us had either claimed or crumbed.

Assuming she is town, she is 100% attempting to control gamestate via a mass claim. That’s literally what she asked.

Since 43 she has been consistent with her claim behaviorally. Remarkably so.
Bluntly put you are misapplying your own experiences to her play this game. Which is far to early to take a bet on. Unless she's the type to make huge, risky gambits that back fire easily. She would have essentially needed to have decided to fake claim and stick to that fake claim before 2 pages of the game occurred.
I've never seen a single scum player do that.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

There was no gamestate for her to take advantage when she decided too.

The best you can say is that she was given a fake claim decided to crumb it early and then things just worked out and she decided to roll with it.

Are you sure those are the only options mathblade?

pedit: What if she's actually a mass hallucination, have you thought about that? Huh? Have you?

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Thanks.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

That's a huge soulread Bell

You wanna be town for that? I'll let you

We are town. So I won't betray you.

-Bell.

So what's your gut take on everything going on then. I'm having difficulty gaining from it.

There's actually a lot I can't talk about.

Since it has to do with role speculation.

I guess at the most basic level,
I think you, Sam, Murder, and toogooloo are likely town.

I think Rce is scum.

I don't know whether Noraa is scum or not. But I do know that they probably won't let this go unless they decide to change their mindset.

I have a weakish town lean on Cakez. Just because it's kind of inexplicable for him to actually respond to the "no ur wrng" that way as scum.

I'm not sure if Koba is serious with their sam scum read given...basic common sense. I also don't know what they gain as scum by hard arguing that they're scum when from a scum player's point of view they have a short shelf life. It's a short turn discred that comes back on themselves.

I can't get a handle on everyone. But I hope this gives you a rough approximation of where my head is at.
-Bell.

@Asuka, was my last post with reads. The explanations for some of these reads were posted previous to that.

I guess I would add Mathblade's entrance as being somewhat scummy.
A lot of replace outs this game.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Bell are you sure you're the same alignment as Ircher?

-A

Yes.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

I liked their opening and since them they have posted nothing objectionable
Yet I'm seeing a lot of people just plop them into their SRs

Because his opening that you liked was shit.

It had nothing discernible to go off of. “I scumread everyone but Chromium” when that isn’t viable and not getting closer is scummy. RCenigma does things. There’s no umph from them

Accurate,I also got the feeling that he was trying to independently fake hunt by voting us.
It kind of felt like he felt naked without voting somebody.

Also their invite for Sam to visit them is something I've seen scum do before.
(though also, to no avail).

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Fwiw now that math is here I want to vote him more than sequence which probably makes them town so I've been told by people better at mafia than me.

Who in this game is a better scum hunter than you?

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Fwiw now that math is here I want to vote him more than sequence which probably makes them town so I've been told by people better at mafia than me.

Who in this game is a better scum hunter than you?

-Bell.

Not in this game. The only meta I have with math is tm2020. So SS/FL/ and jingle

But if I had to guess who is a better scumhunter than me in this game? Everybody is above me except the people on my wagon currently.

How vague.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

I literally told you what I meant.

No I got it.
But you basically said,
that because you think mathblade is scummy on replace in, this means they're town because people you respect told you when you did something like this in te past you were wrong to jump on the new person that came in when the old person you were voting was sum.

This doesn't explain why you feel mathblade is scummy, while justifying you staying on your vote of us which is 1) wrong. and 2) a very convoluted way of saying you're not going to do anything.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Oh. I stand corrected.

Is the rest correct though?

-Bell.

[Sequence]

So you're saying that you scum read those that come off arrogantly. That you tend to think scum make mountains out of molehills.

I think you missed a spot where there was a henry wagon. I'm not quite sure what the right track is or how you'd identify it.

I have no issue with you deciding to do nothing if that's what you want to do.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Starting back at page 63...

elimming someone because this day one has gone on far far too long.

What makes you think the day has gone on too long? It might be over 60 pages, but that's rather typical for a large theme. We still have several days left til deadline as well.

No will in their words, posts read off as required. Ask yourself if you can remember a substantial thing Flea has done this game, whether it be in relation to faer or anyone else then come back to me

A lot of this sounds like playstyle reasons. I don't think you are necessarily wrong here that to a neutral bystander, it might look off, but you do need to adjust to account for individuals' playstyles.

Why are you assuming 4-5 scum?

It's 16 players. It is almost certainly 12-4 or 11-3-1. It's assumption, yes, but it is a reasonable assumption backed by much prior evidence/general good setup design knowledge.

I had a person I wanted to poke, they're like super flakey and never here.

Who was that? Your posts are easy to gloss over.

(This is a joke) I claim open smooth paratrooper who dies if someone says a secret word!

Now I have a limited shelf life

This is not at all an apt comparison. samantha claimed something that's pretty much guaranteed to die one way or another. There's very little room to wiggle out. If she fesses up to faking, she gets limmed. She's dead by the end of night 2 at the latest. On the other hand, what you are claiming here is something that is super vague. Thus, you would be able to wriggle your way out of a sticky situation. By keeping it vague, you make it very possible to modify the claim on the fly. Being able to survive almost the entire game (as you would with such a claim) is not even comparable to a limited shelf life.

Why did your slot vote itself?

Why are you still interested in this? I doubt me answering this will help you find scum to any significant degree. Maybe it would change your read on us by 1%, but there are far more important things you should be focusing your attention on than a self-vote 50 pages ago.

his posts since joining have been self-centered and defensive, and don't show a genuine interest in knowing what happened in this game or who mafia are

I don't think Math's posts here have been great. At the same time, I would encourage exercising patience. Math only replaced in today. That's not a lot of time to catch up on 60+ pages. Let him take the time to get a full handle on the game then make your judgement.

klickslot+norweeslot+ircher s

Wow, your lack of awareness really shows here. You don't even bother referring to ANY of the three slots by their current username.

My gut is they are 3P but that’s purely gut based on tone of post.

Great, now explain why you are wasting your time on someone you think is 3rd party rather than finding actual scum.

Hell it may be true in all but alignment (ie just remove the friendly part)

This is extraordinarily unlikely. The role samantha claimed is not the kind of role scum would get, not even close.

she’d have been open to me sorting her and not just reactively voting me.

I'm pretty sure she didn't? She waited and only voted you after you persisted.

She literally noted hey XYZ said “blah” in a nice convenient post for scum

Okay, but that doesn't make her scum does it? On the contrary, couldn't she have just posted it in their PT as scum?

At bottom of page 66.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

MathBlade the towniest town to ever town
(lunar,RA,MurderCat ...reasons)
Sequence << D1 wagon was weird and self vote seems to be of frustration and Bell didn’t have to try to pull my head out of my ass if he was scum
Titus << Titus wouldn’t soft defend me as scum here
SirCakez << Usually I get weird pings if they are scum or towns usually figure this out super quick. So for the fact he hasn’t been a wagon prolly town.
Unwd << I like how they are trying to lead and get this day done. We need a leader.
Koba << Them not pressuring me is natural for once
Toogeloo << Miller claim seems correct

—-WTF >> Samantha

—— Would elim below this line
Nylaathria, Special BROvert Ops >> who?
Flea The Magician >> Give me something
RCEnigma >> Opening sucked
Angel Warriors >> Either I don’t get what she was alluding to or I don’t buy it or I am giving her PR cover here since people don’t listen to me.

Fairly decent reads. I would have Rei and Asuka much lower, but the rest looks fine.

I liked their opening and since them they have posted nothing objectionable
Yet I'm seeing a lot of people just plop them into their SRs

I haven't seen much at all from them and what I have seen have not really impressed me. I don't have any specific examples, but the general feel is that they are coasting... which probably is at least partially a playstyle issue... but nonetheless, I would still expect more from them than what I am seeing.

this dude is so agenda pushy and trying to protect partners so obv after they played a bussy game its so sloppy and poor played get him OUTA here

I don't see this. What agenda is he pushing?

pedit: What if she's actually a mass hallucination, have you thought about that? Huh? Have you?

Posts like these don't help you, ya know.

Fwiw now that math is here I want to vote him more than sequence which probably makes them town so I've been told by people better at mafia than me.

This feels very convenient for you.

I'd be happier with a nylaa wagon than a flea wagon right now

I would be as well. I can't even remember the last time I read a Nylaa post.

Because it bothers me and I don't get why with a wagon on you on page 10 you opt to self-vote.

This is a non-answer. Idc that it bothers you; the point remains it does very little to help you solve. You might get a 5% more confident read on our slot, and that's about it. The big picture view suggests that your asking is a waste of time and space. If I wanted to answer, I would have done so already anyway.

What’s typical isn’t always right. Games on another site

I'm gonna snip you off right there. The first is true--every rule has an exception. (Does that rule have an exception as well? Who knows?) That being said, the second part is incomparable. Games on other sites operate on different metas from games on this site. It's like trying to compare apples to oranges; you can do it, but it won't be a meaningful comparison. The general consensus is that more discussion is usually more beneficial to town, so while there does come a point where it may become excessive, more tends to be better. We haven't reached the stagnating phase yet, so I don't agree that now's a good time to end conversation.

However we don’t know if it’s multiball or 3P scum or regular group scum

Did you read the checklist? The game isn't multiball. There may or may not be third party.

To bottom of 1735.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

VOTE: Nylaa
~Ircher

[Sequence]

that's 5 in the last page. I can't remember if Nylaa had any votes earlier.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

Nylaa is town and if you are voting nylaa you are scumsiding

-A

We could flashwagon you instead if Nylaa's a bad vote.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

~Ircher

[Sequence]

don't self vote and then whine about explaining it if you want me to engage with you delicately

There's no need to act delicate around me. I won't break into a million pieces from your paper thin cases.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

Is this Rei or Asuka posting btw?
~Ircher

[Sequence]

Maybe unwnd is scum after all... Hmm...
~Ircher

[Sequence]

~Ircher

[Sequence]

You already claimed. @unwnd Pretending to crumb is just noise.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

That's F-3 I think. We should probably wait for Nylaa to return before voting further.

pedit: back to F-4.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

Gamma, did you ever give a reads list?
I see you've drawn some conclusions but I was under the impression you would make a mega post or something.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

I'm probably too angry right now to clearly explain this but if anyone else actually votes Nyla I WILL SPEEDLIM YOU TOMORROW if she gets flipped

Hum.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

~rei

Do you reads you'd like to share Rei,

I have a feeling you're easier to read than your more experienced partner.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

reading nyla feels like i'm reading over like, lhf i guess. they haven't done anything super towny but what is the scum motivation. what have they done that is pinging people.
~rei

I wonder if I can create some sort of ydrasse algorithm that details the rate of "likes" per post and divine your alignment.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

reading nyla feels like i'm reading over like, lhf i guess. they haven't done anything super towny but what is the scum motivation. what have they done that is pinging people.
~rei

I wonder if I can create some sort of ydrasse algorithm that details the rate of "likes" per post and divine your alignment.

-Bell.

i'm, like, a stereotypical valley girl at heart, like, what can i say

~ rei

ftfy.

-Bell

[Sequence]

do people townread our slot? i feel like if they do they should be putting some weight into what asuka-head was saying about nyla and now me, too

if not then i get it i Guess

~ rei

Whiplashy read on your slot.
I have very little confidence I can read Asuka.
Count me as conflicted.

-Bell.

Pedit: My feet are cold.

VOTE: Rcengima

[Sequence]

I understand that rcenigma's wagon is stalled, but I do not like their counter wagon anymore.
that's my 2c.

[Sequence]

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Gamma, did you ever give a reads list?
I see you've drawn some conclusions but I was under the impression you would make a mega post or something.

-Bell.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

Starting from 1806...

Maybe unwnd is scum after all... Hmm...
~Ircher

How was that your takeaway? Joining the Math wagon was the most blatant Townspew you could ask for.

I disagree. That was a very opportunistic vote and the fact they keep vote switching isn't a good sign either.

because they looked at alisae's posts and realized alisae was town for very specific reasons that scum CANNOT IMITATE THE THOUGHT PROCESSES OF because the TOWN ROLE PM in the OP LACKS NECESSARY DETAILS FOR SCUM TO MIMIC THAT THOUGHT PROCESS

Wow, this is an awful take. There are so many things wrong with this, the first being that you are assuming the game can be broken by the way role pms are written. That's really bad faith and not appropriate for mafia games.

Ugh, how many votes am I on? I'm busy with life for a day or two and you all dogpile on me. Assuming that's the case at least, I saw someone give intent.

<Comment redacted>

God nobody can read the room

VOTE: Mathblade

Vote hopping again I see.

I wash my hands of this

But as soon as someone is in hammer range

I'm voting it

Uh no. That's not how it works. Do that, and you'll get speedlimmed the following day. I'll make sure of it.

they haven't done anything super towny

Yes, and that's an issue. I also don't get why you are actively derailing a wagon that is primarily pressure related rather than a wagon that will immediately end the day. No one has said they want to hammer (other than unwnd who is being blatantly antitown). Many people have stated that we want to wait and give Nylaa a chance to respond to the wagon.

I don't even know why I'm appealing to you about this. Maybe because you were my favourite character in NGE.

I don't either. You're appealing to the one slot that has already made up their mind in your favor. What did you expect to gain from this exchange? Why aren't you appealing to any of the people who, you know, are actually scumreading you? As it stands, this post of yours is noise that makes you look busy when you aren't doing anything.

This exchange between RA and Nylaa feels weird and I can’t put my finger on it.

I agree. It's also a waste of thread space.

do people townread our slot?

I definitely do not at this point.

I don't have time for this game right now. I think I might tomorrow. If ya'll don't have patience for that, tell me to claim now.

This is overly defensive. Not a single person has suggested you should claim at this point in time.

Mathblade [5]: Nylaathria, Lunar Martian, Samantha97, Rei and Asuka, Unwnd
Nylaathria [3]: Titus, Murdercat, Special BROvert Ops,

This is quite frankly ridiculous. The Math wagon is also pretty bad; I'm not a fan of 3/5 there.

Didn’t have a take on us before I started going ham. In fact they still seem to be lacking a read on us.

I have no read on you. Bell has a scum read on you. He explained in PT, but I'm not sure he's ready to explain in public yet, so I'll let him explain when he wants to do so.

here's my raw, unfiltered opinions on everyone based on their interactions with our slot and the other slots as well.

Yes, now it would be great if you tidy it up so we can clearly see what your reads are and why rather than just stream of random thoughts.

Sequence was a pain in the ass to build up (but I'm no longer interested in that for reasons)

You can't just duck out like that.

State your reasons.

Fleaz cake, 50gamma and Lunar are at the bottom of my list, but nora thinks Lunar is town

Okay, then talk about Flee and Broverts.

But I freaked out when I saw the Nyla wagon build

Why?

Nylaa yuck
Lunar yuck
Samantha T v T proud fight
Rei kinda sheepish, in scum slot by wagonomics so yuck vote
Unwnd town but wrong
Toog apathy vote he could do it because it's there

Correction: unwnd is voting whoever without a whimsical care. The rest is pretty accurate though.

Why couldn't she stay there?

I'm wondering the same thing. The wagon evaporated just as quickly as it formed. People seem scared that the wagon might actually get hammered... when it wasn't all that close and had an obvious counterwagon (MathBlade).

At bottom of page 77.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

Koba might be scum, but it's too early to tell.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

Said scum would be me, and R&A

Nylaa + Rei & Asuka + Angel Warriors + 1 more makes sense as a team to me.

What do you mean, for pushing Sam *kinda*?

That was hardly a *kinda*. And yes, that ought to qualify considering samantha is more or less a consensus town read.

So Noraa's approach to play is to list me as basically her top town in thread and then tell you she scumreads me? This post is really weird because not only has she indicated no scumread of me but she has been actively reading me as high town for pretty much the whole game

I agree; this reads reversal strikes me as strange.

Anyway, hey this is a weird question but can you figure out which head of gamma's hydra is which head because I feel like it's all gamma and he's just changing which handle he's signing with every other post and it's kinda pissing me off

It's 95% Gamma. I don't see how this is confusing; A50 posted a few times and it was quite obvious that it was A50 posting.

I appreciate your desire to sort low content slots but that should not be confused with thinking the low content slots you're pushing ever flip scum when they do not.

I don't like the wording here. It goes beyond strong confident to almost TMI territory.

I just do NOT want her to claim and I do NOT want people to push her for a claim.

No one did that, no one is doing that, and for the foreseeable future, no one will do that, so quite frankly, your sensitivity (not the right word, but eh) here is unwarranted.

Who actually do you scumread? It seems like you’re just shooting down wagons rather than enforcing any and just letting a vote on me sit.

(About Rei and Asuka.) Yeah, that's my impression as well.

One of sequence/Rei,

Great, explain!

Also, Titus is town. Try again.

At bottom of 2032.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

I think MURDERCAT is town here, Titus. Flea's a good vote.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

You are free to conjecture as you want. What matters is whether people believe you. @Angels
~Ircher

[Sequence]

VOTE: Special Brovert Opts
~Ircher

[Sequence]

Yo folks, trim your quotes. Just highlight what you want to respond to and press the quote button. Quote pyramids are awful to read.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

Then point to a post you liked, Cakez.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

Hey Noraa,

If you still scum read me, I want you to give a more definitive case rather than one-offs. You had one earlier, but tbqh, you focused on Bell more than me.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

Oh the case is that ur walls are shit and I've done more casing on you than anyone else in this game. Don't lie.

-Noraa

I want one where you both quote specific posts as evidence AND critically analyze those posts to paint a big picture narrative. You have quoted several one-off posts, but you haven't developed the big picture narrative yet except with overly broad and sweeping statements that could be twisted to fit anyone.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

HURT: Angel Warriors
HURT: RCEnigma
HURT WITH A BLADE: Rei and Asuka
HURT: Flea the Magician
HURT: Special BROvert Ops
~Ircher

[Sequence]

What’s so funny about it?

VOTE: Murdercat

Bad vote. I expect better.

am I missing something or do people think mafiacat is town only because of pt shenanigans

No, I think MURDERCAT is town here based on play. It's the overall feel; he isn't seemingly advancing an agenda, and he's rather engaged.

This is true. Hence why it's one of the things I want resolved.

(In relation to 2064.) I would lim Rei and Asuka first in that case. Lunar is probably second pick. The odds are in favor that at least one of you is scum.

the only universes in which unwnd claims what they claimed is if mafia either got fakeclaims or they are in a pt with someone who claimed 'suntouched ___', and even then they claimed a role that can overlap with "the real" one

I agree to an extent, but I also think from a play perspective, unwnd has been blatantly antitown and generally not helpful. Thus, I can understand why people might want to lim there despite the claim.

Ok doc will protect this tonight

-Noraaaa

(In relation to 1290.) You do realize that Rei and Asuka were obviously faking right then, right?

Compare this to Ircher as town's reads list on day 1:

Congrats! You caught me!




...Oh wait...





But seriously, do you ever critically analyze before you post? If I wanted to give explanations, I easily could have. I chose not to because it wasn't worth the effort or time.

Partial crossthrough means I would compromise there but I get some townfeels)
SirCakez

Color coding or bold would have worked much better. Your strike through isn't really friendly to people who have a harder time picking out low contrast.

I don't believe anything there is too OOG. You can complain that it's like a, mech-related reaction test, but if so it's one precipitated by the mod not any players by having made confusingly worded town PMs. But ignoring the free townreads there would just be dumb.

I am quite frankly ignoring this post because I still don't think it's an appropriate line of reasoning.

Wow ok this is highly scum indicative. Ircher ignored all posts happening in current time when he was catching up in PookyvFlava. There wasn't a single time where he replied to something not like 20 pages ago unless he was completely caught up.

-Noraa

Yes, I did that then and this now. What's your point? I can change strategies from game to game, which is precisely what I am doing.

I haven't pushed anywhere really, besides sequence early. I voted flea because they are within my poe and wanted to see where it went. I wasn't super satisfied when flea went, "ha pressure" and dipped out of the game but that fell apart too.

Honestly, RCEnigma is moving up my reads list a little bit.

can we at least collectively agree there is at least 1 mafia inside of lunar martian/rei and asuka/mathblade/mafiacat? isn't that a fair assumption not just because of behavior but because they are all in the same pt?

Yes, it's a very reasonable assumption. If I were making bets, my money would 100% be on Rei and Asuka being the scum.

That's fine. D1 is not meant to drag out this goddamn long, so I'm gonna make this simple.

It's been only about 100 hours. It most certainly is meant to be at least this long.

if almost every player in the game is in a PT, solving scum in PTs is not really going to help

almost every player is not in a 4 player pt

This 100%.

NO ONE FUCKING CLAIM PTS OR WHAT FLAVOR U HAVE OR THE NAMES OF UR PTS SCUM PROB HAVE ABILITIES THAT WORK WITH THEM AND I HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THIS AS WELL BASED ON A CLAIM IN ONE OF MY HOODS

It's too late now. Maybe you should have said this earlier.

nylaa is claimed in our hood and their claim is verfiable + extremely specific

Okay, fine. Nylaa can get a pass for Day 1 only.

What are these claims? I need to know these.

No, you don't. You'll get the claims when the time is right, no sooner and no later.

DKKoba, myself, RCE, MURDERCAT and flea

That's a pretty large PT. It's also relatively likely to have scum; my guess is Flea/RCE with Koba as my third pick probably.

I'm having trouble keeping up with the PT claims and roleclaims. It would be very helpful for me to have this information.

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I'm having trouble keeping up with the PT claims and roleclaims. It would be very helpful for me to have this information.

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The last one I'm pretty sure was a joke/sarcasm. I guess Rei can correct me if I'm wrong, but if it isn't a joke, that just makes them look worse.

im just wondering if scum dont have daytalk and they have to know which hood their teammates are in or something idk normal ppl in games dont claim hoods on d1

It seems likely considering that the neighborhoods do. They probably at least have an Encryptor.

it isnt with evidence to back it up.

You cited zero evidence of such. Granted, if it happened in a PT, you aren't allowed to, but the point remains.

Take out the mech stuff

Whats left?

If you're trying to argue samantha isn't different here from Booneytoonz XIV, you are flat out wrong. The two samanthas are miles apart from each other.

Limming Sequence is the fastest way to end this day and I think it will work out well.

Sadly, you would be wrong.

Until there is a claim in the main thread that I can evaluate I'm not changing my mind here.

That's still not happening.

At bottom of page 90.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

Not that I care to share. I'll share what I want when I want to.
~Ircher

[Sequence]

I have a pool of like 6 people I'd wagon
Fucking hell

That's kinda a small pool I'd say. Understandably, people are going to be annoyed when you keep shutting down wagons.

This is where my heart is at currently. Outing the hood despite a CLEAR INTENT FROM ME that I didn't want it outed, flipflopping on votes, no wagonomics, doesn't feel like town!titus to me.

I'm 84.328% confident that Titus is town here. Just because you didn't want something outted doesn't mean the other have to oblige unless you explicitly extracted a promise from them. I imagine you didn't, so it's fair game.

Oh my god. This is full on chaos. OBVSCUM SEQUENCE LITERALLY CHILLING IN THE DAMN CORNER RN.
Fucking god.

-Noraa

*sips tea and cackles maniacally.*

NO. Sequence is obvscum and I'm literally gonna die tonight cuz I'm the only damn person that sees it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would not kill you in a million games. If I eanted to pocket you, I would've already. It'd be super easy to do. I don't fear your scumhunting prowess.

Anybody else think unwnd is willing to elim anyone?

Yes.

why the reluctance to vote brovert when they've had basically the same thread presence as flea and are posting elsewhere?

+1

+2

Here I like this post

Wow, how incredibly nice of you! Don't be lazy; give an explanation as well.

lurking lets you skate by unless it is "punished" by votes, which is why so many people hide their online status

This 100%.

cool unless u got statistics that prove that its more likely from scum u can fuck off with it though lmfao

I've seen far worse abuses of tells than this one. Activity tells tend to actually be one of the most reliable "tells" in my experience.

Intent to vote anyone at -1

Do that, and we'll speedlim you the following day. Or vig you.

Hoods plural?

How many do you have?

(What an astute observation!)

Outside of Math and Titus, who do people think are scum?

-Noraa

Why are you implicitly suggesting they are scum?

Also can I get a list of claims?
And also anyone that hasn't claimed, don't fucking claim otherwise you get instavote.

Are these two statements not contradictory? Why do yoo want a list of claims, but don't want people to claim?

Or, you know, some of us are disabled who keep a tab open to make sure we don't forget the games we're in or to check them on occasion and don't appreciate getting beef for it. My online status is hidden and I don't deny that ever.

You are being overly defensive here. No one argued there aren't legit reasons to lurk/post elsewhere. We are only arguing that it's +scum equity, and I think we can agree that's true.

Mind you, I will never ever in my entire life self-vote

They're a travesty only when you self-hammer. At any other time, they are a perfectly valid and legal play. Stop stigmatizing them.

{Titus, Sequence, Mathblade} is my current lim pool, but fwiw I don't think sequence is scum just 3p.

IF you truly think we're 3rd party, why are you so interested in elimming us rn?

So I've been keeping tabs on this game for the past couple hours

Aka, you've been lurking the past several hours...

Everyone should select their 4 most confident townreads that they feel like are capable of leading the town. Include yourself or don't, I don't entirely mind, just give 4 names.

HEAL: samantha97
HEAL: Titus
HEAL: MURDERCAT
HEAL: MathBlade

the role claim sounds really fake and im not bothering reading into it rn

loyal and weak together thats just 2 random modifier thrown together for fun

I do kinda agree, but it's also very likely to easily resolve itself with time.

I developed an entire meta case on why this isn't town you. I have no interest repeating it.

Your meta case referenced very few posts. I want something more substantial. Something that would be convincing to the entire game, not just to you.

If you only had 2 hurts, what would you do?

-Noraa

HURT WITH A BLADE: Rei and Asuka
HURT: Angel Warriors

Not that I care to share. I'll share what I want when I want to.
~Ircher

nope share em now

Nope. Figure it out yourself.

At bottom of 2510.
~Ircher

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Hey, the more you do this the less inclined I am to think you know what you're doing.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

ah fuck it VOTE: sequence
if this is wrong i blame u @alisae

Slave vote.

-Bell.

[Sequence]

and like Koba said they've been voteparked forever

Ircher moved the vote.

I moved it back while explaining why I was moving it back.


-Bell.

[Sequence]

You not recognizing our vote was moved does not imply you're reading or care about reading the game.

Would you like to explain your scum read of us and your town read of rcenigma?
Or your generally bad reads this game or anything really. I liked your gut.
Why is your gut failing you?

-Bell.

[Sequence]

i'm not even talking about you
that's the guilty conscience speaking

Oh, haha.
It is me who is not reading.

Also, a guilty conscience.
Really.