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Post #25 (isolation #3) » Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:04 am
Postby Ausuka »
I mean, I knew the miller claim would look suspicious and I'm willing to take some flak for it but
In post 18, Xayah wrote:I know we probably won't vote the miller claim day 1 but I do think Ausuka's reaction to rolling miller seems a tad overblown here.
How is it overblown lmfao I literally just said 'I'm a miller'
VOTE: Xayah
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Post #31 (isolation #4) » Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:07 am
Postby Ausuka »
In post 24, Coral wrote:I have an idea, hear me out. The thing is, scamper's avatar is too cute. It's too powerful. If he's scum, we're literally never going to catch him because people will be about to vote and then they'll look at that cute little cat and go "aww" and then not have the heart to go through with it. So what I propose is that we eliminate him now before he has a chance to post again. I've run the numbers on expected win percentages and there's no time to explain it in detail, but trust me, it's the mechanically optimal play.
this is a VERY convincing argument but unfortunately I scumread Xayah here. However I am willing to policy lim scamper on d2. Unless I get compromised by the cat's cuteness
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Post #54 (isolation #7) » Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:41 am
Postby Ausuka »
In post 51, Aristeia wrote:I guess I also don't think Ausuka claims miller in the manner she does - I have a different mental model in my head about how she would claim miller if she were a miller.
??????
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Post #60 (isolation #9) » Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:48 am
Postby Ausuka »
What about my post do you think needs elaboration? I thought I explained myself fine. Meg is seeing what I'm seeing, I think that makes them more likely to be approaching the game with an uninformed mindset.
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In post 51, Aristeia wrote:I guess I also don't think Ausuka claims miller in the manner she does - I have a different mental model in my head about how she would claim miller if she were a miller.
??????
I think if you were a miller you would've had a different opening.
It feels like a gambit.
I'm trying to ask why you don't think I would open with "I'm miller" as miller
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Post #68 (isolation #12) » Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:04 am
Postby Ausuka »
I feel like it shouldn't be difficult to believe that a townie might townread someone who shares their perspective and says what they're thinking before they say it. This line of questioning feels like busywork to me, honestly.
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Post #79 (isolation #15) » Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:06 am
Postby Ausuka »
I don't think claiming miller would be funny and I'm not going to retract my claim.
I was perplexed why you were asking the question because I think the question sounded like busywork, given that my read wasn't even naked and the question didn't dig any deeper into it or respond to what I wrote. I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with my read on Meg, but again I didn't get the vibes you were approaching the conversation with the mentality you were trying to catch scum which I didn't like.
Again, I've already explained the read on Xayah. If you think the explanation is somehow inefficient that's fine, but it seems like what you're actually doing is asking questions to look protown without really caring about what you're asking about.
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Post #83 (isolation #16) » Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:09 am
Postby Ausuka »
In post 78, Datisi wrote:i think xayah is town because i struggle seeing scum have the 45 into 48 progression that she did. like, if she was gonna try to claim ausuka is scummy for making 3 posts about miller being the worst role in the world, which is false, i feel like she doesn't then immediately back down from it once she's questioned on it. if she's scum, she knew she was talking bullshit with the claim in 45; and if she knew that, i don't think she backs down from it at first sign of struggle.
I don't think she knew she was talking bullshit with the claim in 45, even if she's scum. I think her making that mistake makes it more likely she's scum because it indicates she isn't really trying to read my posts and sort me.
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Post #90 (isolation #19) » Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:17 am
Postby Ausuka »
In post 25, Ausuka wrote:I mean, I knew the miller claim would look suspicious and I'm willing to take some flak for it but
In post 18, Xayah wrote:I know we probably won't vote the miller claim day 1 but I do think Ausuka's reaction to rolling miller seems a tad overblown here.
How is it overblown lmfao I literally just said 'I'm a miller'
In post 90, Ausuka wrote:To clarify - she pushed me for something that didn't happen and I thought that showed she didn't care to sort me properly and that's scum indicative.
I don't think you can call 2 posts in which she explains how you're overreacting pushing. Sure, she implied voting you in the first post, but I think that's overwritten by the fact that at the end of the day she didn't vote you, or SR you, for that matter (at least she didn't state it explicitly).
The next question is if that wasn't a push, why point this out in the first place? I don't have an answer to that, though.
If she didn't care to sort you, I don't think she would have backed down as easily as she did, that's my problem with that reasoning.
I don't really understand your points here - she didn't vote me but I definitely feel it was a push anyway and I feel like it was heavily implied she was scumreading me. I think there's nothing stopping mafia from backing down there? I don't think the backing down is actively scummy either I think it could come from either alignment.
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In post 97, Coral wrote:Phoenix's persistence is slightly towny, I think. As scum he would probably recognize that he isn't really getting townread for his approach and may change tactics. I do agree that he sounds a little stiff, but that may just be a personality or writing style trait.
persistence in doing what, exactly?
He's moving things forward but only along one path. If he were trying to look towny by having a lot of content, I'd expect him to be tackling different subjects and angles. His continued arguing what is basically the same point with Ausuka isn't really doing anything to make him look better on a surface level. To me it comes across as a tunneled townie.
I understand where you're coming from but not sure I agree - I think Phoenix hasn't played the game in a while and as a result it's possible that he wouldn't manufacture content in the best way to be townread? Like, I think he could just be scum making a mistake, and I find it harder to read town motivation into his posting. I'm not sure what he could be tunneled about in this stage of the game.
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happen you can legit read the first few posts in the game for yourself. I'm not backing down from the statements I've said either, I still think it's quite a wolfy opening but I don't feel like getting into a battle of words with someone who got
huffy and upset over being called out in a game of mafia for their posting
. It's a waste of my time so I moved onto something I found more pressing. Did the anger make me weaken the scumread? Yeah, because it starts to seem a bit personality based, but I think Datisi's angle on Ausuka isn't W/W and I think it felt like a TMI sort of angle. AKA: If there's a wolf in Ausuka and Datisi's prob prob Datisi atm.
I also don't think Meg/Other anime A name are W/W don't have much stock in their statements alone though besides "vibes"
i greatly disagree with both your earlier characterizion of ausuka and this one - she made 2 very short posts that didn't say much at all and you called it "overblown", now you accuse her of being "huffy and upset" because she (rightly imo) pushed back against you for saying that, but again the scale of the response is really not at all what you're describing here...
it just feels incredibly misrep-y
I agree with this but not sure how to read it? I feel like there's not much point in specifically trying to misrep me like that as mafia when it's so obviously wrong so like it's probably NAI and she genuinely believes it?
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In post 123, Coral wrote:I would probably be switching my vote to Don here but I think they're at E-2 already and it seems a little twisted to put them at E-1 for suggesting that we put someone else at E-1. It does feel like they're kind of all over the place and I struggle to see a consistent town mindset. That makes me think they could be intentionally trying to look like the town they describe as "playing however they want". The issue is that I don't understand the motivations behind anything they're doing, so it just feels random for the sake of chaos.
Here is an attempt to soft buddy me. Coral knows i am under fire, and by saying they wont vote for me theres an attempt here. Of course by saying they're still suspicious of me there is no concrete stance taken here. What they are doing is to signal to me "everyone suspects you, but i can be open minded". And as scum, they know i'm town, and would want to leave a positive impression on me without going too hard on buddying.
Ok, but why is this possibility probable compared to Coral just not wanting to put you at L1 so early? I don't think you not liking her refusing to L1 you was unpredictable and I think if you're trying to buddy someone falling them 'all over the place' is likely to be counterproductive. Basically I don't understand your thought process here
I see her point for not wanting to put Don at E-1 but I do think it's also an easy excuse for not wanting to take a stance, as Don implied. I really don't like the reasoning behind the 180 on Aristeia. The tone in her posts seems genuine, though, and I don't thing she's faking it. Still, I tend to read people by their actions more than by their tone, so:
Coral - scumlean
Xayah
I didn't think much of the accusation against Ausuka early in the game, but given that Xayah later admitted herself that she SR-ed Ausuka for that and that she stands by it, it rubs me the wrong way. I'm tempted to believe that Xayah doubling down on her SR on Ausuka based on Ausuka's first posts is town-indicative because it could be easier from a scum!Xayah POV to just say that it wasn't a push. Though as I mentioned in a previous post, that begs the question if it wasn't meant to be a push, why bother in the first place? So Xayah backing down here wouldn't raise less questions that her doubling down on her Ausuka SR, IMO, so I still think scum!Xayah is a definite possibility. I also echo what Scamper said in 130. The vote on Meg is strange as well.
Xayah - scumlean
I think I'm more confident in my Xayah scumlean as of now.
VOTE: Xayah
I think I understand your townreads but both of the scumreads confuse me.
If you can see her point for not wanting to E-1 Done, why do you scumread it? Like, you bring up the possibility that she could just be using it to shirk responsibility but never explain why that's likely when you acknowledge a very reasonable town motivation. The rest of the read is fine although I'd like an explanation as to why her 180 on Ari was bad, I thought it was mildly town.
The read on Xayah feels scummy because I think the uncertainty feels kind of excessive and performative. Like, you spend most of this post talking about something which seems to be NAI at worst for Xayah by your own account, and I think it's still not super clear why you're scumreading Xayah here. I'll be the first to say all of Xayah's interactions with me are baffling but I'd like to hear why you think it's scum motivated?
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Post #176 (isolation #26) » Thu Jul 28, 2022 4:27 am
Postby Ausuka »
In post 158, Datisi wrote:reading along the first half of page 6, i am not sure i get either coral or xayah votes.
it's like. i think coral's reason for switching off aristeia is *fine*, and i understand what she was trying to say when she said "tunnelled". maybe it's not the traditional use of that word, but it seemed obvious to me it was meant as "pho is only focusing here" rather than "pho is trying to fuckign murder ausuka". i don't really agree that that's townie, but. the "i changed my mind and ari is town!" did feel a bit ~performative~ to me, but i think performative-scum would've put more effort in than just saying "ye lol idk gut".
also yes i hate xayah misreps of ausuka. but i also don't think they're scummy because i struggle to see what is scum!xayah trying to achieve there. like, she's not pushing ausuka. she keeps insisting ausuka had an overblown reaction despite the entire game telling her otherwise. the only scum motivation i see here is wifom trying to purposefully go against the thread and like idk.
I agree with this I think
I like datisi and coral, Xayah is more around the nullish area for me rn
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In post 196, Donempire wrote:Remember how i said we needed someone on L-1? The one being wagoned is a factor in contributing to discussion, but so is everyone else on the wagon. Once the wagon disperses, there will be many posts to retroactively read , at least 4 vote posts for example. That way with a simple shitwagon in rvs you end up forcing 5 people to participate! You end up with someone who is a hard read by most of the town, lots of posts to investigate, maybe a claim.
Now that i said this, lolwagoning scamper probably wont have the same effect. But i can still make a solid case against scamper, and you can read my case, agree with me and bandwagon scamper. We receive the benefits i mentioned without any drawbacks!
So, i havent made my case yet, and i wont until i wake up, but the sooner everyone wagons scamper, the faster this game will run
You want an e-1 wagon on scamper because you want to analyze the wagon even though you can make a case? That doesn't sound pro town.
I mean, even if you think it's anti town does that make Done mafia?
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In post 196, Donempire wrote:Remember how i said we needed someone on L-1? The one being wagoned is a factor in contributing to discussion, but so is everyone else on the wagon. Once the wagon disperses, there will be many posts to retroactively read , at least 4 vote posts for example. That way with a simple shitwagon in rvs you end up forcing 5 people to participate! You end up with someone who is a hard read by most of the town, lots of posts to investigate, maybe a claim.
Now that i said this, lolwagoning scamper probably wont have the same effect. But i can still make a solid case against scamper, and you can read my case, agree with me and bandwagon scamper. We receive the benefits i mentioned without any drawbacks!
So, i havent made my case yet, and i wont until i wake up, but the sooner everyone wagons scamper, the faster this game will run
You want an e-1 wagon on scamper because you want to analyze the wagon even though you can make a case? That doesn't sound pro town.
I mean, even if you think it's anti town does that make Done mafia?
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Post #307 (isolation #40) » Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:25 pm
Postby Ausuka »
I townlean datisi, coral, scamper, done and meg roughly in that order. mostly these are just vibes based but I can try and iso people and elaborate on what I'm feeling if people want that
Ari and Xayah are both meh
Galron is scummy
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Post #310 (isolation #41) » Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:28 pm
Postby Ausuka »
In post 300, Datisi wrote:ari is also lowkey townie. the agruing with xayah doesn't do much for her position in game which like. idk why scum!her would care kinda. yes this is directly going against what i said earlier about their convo, fight me
this is interesting because I got the opposite vibe kinda. I didn't feel like the conversation about read rate was particularly interesting or advancing to the gamestate and felt fillery. But also I don't really have meta with her so like, is she just not like that as scum?
Pedit: bless the weather gods
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In post 263, Ausuka wrote:Dats i don't really understand your read progression on coral?
yes
thank you datisi
also to circle back to this
there was no progression
i realized coral is doing A Thing that i often do as scum
her reply is *fine* i guess, i don't get much from it which is meh
this is still kinda vagueposting but it's the sort of vagueposting I could see coming from town datisi who doesn't want to like reveal his reads? like I feel like scum datisi would probably be more focused on providing a very reasonable sounding progression for me to nod my head at
That being said I won't townread you for doing this any more dats you should stop being vague
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In post 144, Coral wrote:That's because it kind of was! I felt a town vibe first and then tried to figure out where it was coming from after. I'm not terribly convinced it was a great reason, but it was fun to explore!
As town my mind is often a jumble of mixed-up thoughts and feelings. As scum I take care to express my thoughts clearly, which is easy to do because they're fake, and have clean and planned-out progressions. I wouldn't ever have reason to express a thought that I wasn't already confident I could state in a cohesive way and back up later, unless maybe put on the spot by pressure and I need to come up with a read on a partner. I think that's one of my weaknesses.
ok....i'm not really sure this changes my view, though
Okay. What about 123? What do you think is my mindset or motivation behind making that post as scum? Can you explain more where the feeling of "off" is coming from, and why that's more likely to come from scum?
@ausuka, this
when someone is correctly scumreading me, the thing i love to do is just continuously ask them what feels off and what do they not like about it and etc etc, and when they give a response continue arguing why they're Wrong, Actually
I mean this is fair and makes sense
Although I feel like that is also how I tend to handle incorrect scumreads on me as town tbh
Pedit: I mean you just pushed me as part of a ~reasons~ team I feel like you have done the ~reasons~ thing before but sorry if I'm wrong
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In post 316, Aristeia wrote:I lowkey think maybe the scum team is just Ausuka/Datisi for ~reasons~ but I want Dats to roll town with me finally so I am going to hope it's just no true ^^
You hit the nail on the head. What would the reasons you mentioned be? Gut, any posts? Because you're correct, but i wanna see you solve this yourself first.
This feels so outrageously confident for absolutely no reason that it is probably town
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Post #331 (isolation #48) » Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:46 pm
Postby Ausuka »
In post 313, Donempire wrote:If she didnt want to put me on L-1 or pressure me in general, why make a post saying she was suspicious of me? And her calling me all over the place is better than calling me nefarious, it implies shes unsure even though everything else in that post screamed "yeah dong is most likely scum"
I mean, you realise some people are just ideologically opposed to putting people at L1 yes
Regardless this response is satisfactory re: your alignment I suppose
Pedit :<
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Post #339 (isolation #52) » Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:00 am
Postby Ausuka »
In post 336, Aristeia wrote:I'm willing to give you/ausuka 1 shot to push anywhere today to hit a scum, myself included but you both have to get yeeted d2 if you miss
I think this is a reasonable compromise.
VOTE: Aristeia
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Post #345 (isolation #54) » Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:09 am
Postby Ausuka »
Maybe I just rolled miller
Like as scum I literally never claim miller, not for strategic reasons but because I would never involve myself in all this claim speculation BS voluntarily
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Post #351 (isolation #57) » Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:20 am
Postby Ausuka »
I obviously was saying that Done's suggestion that me and Datisi were the scumteam were based on the premise that I was scum and did not actually roll miller and this premise was unjustified...
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