Open 720: NOIR (GAME OVER)

[Alonzo]

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

for having an unnecessarily long name

Agree

VOTE: the worst
You're not the worst, I am, therefore, you're a liar, and we should lynch all liars.

Definately agree

I wont play until tomorrow. Bringing my flqshlight

Is that like a fleshlight??

Sup?

No self hammering in this game unless you are Scum. Hopefully we can all agree with this.

agree

I have some feels on some of the players who have posted so far, but keeping those gut reads to myself for the time being.

Bahaha

Vote Spartan

[Alonzo]

NAI but its my birthday in 29 minutes....

maybe its the beer talking, but i can already tell town has this in the bag...

[Alonzo]

Happy Birthday to mee....

Vote- Fumuki

[Alonzo]

IN Ireland im Tirty tree and turteen minutes...

[Alonzo]

vc

pipe down old man =)

[Alonzo]

ooh random tag there

[Alonzo]

Happy Birthday for yesterday!

[Alonzo]

dilly dilly

[Alonzo]

Username specifically made to no one vote him.

Game solved guys, proceed to lynching.

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

In a side note, Happy Birthday Alonzo.

Arigato.

* happy eyes*

I woulda found you eventually =)

[Alonzo]

U better be getting your round in

@spartan

[Alonzo]

Happy birthday Alonzo! Here's a present for you
VOTE: Alonzo

When my darling mother frowns upon my hungover self at dinner tomorrow il say i was up all night drinking wit my mafia buddies.

It was a nice quiet evening till heisenburg pulled out a bag of the blue stuff.

awww not that stuff...

[Alonzo]

Pit of Misery!

dilly dilly

[Alonzo]

You all should have just followed me on the spartan vote...

[Alonzo]

Hi, Mafia Rolecop here partners...second game as scum counting with my other completed/finished game in this same account...
...who should we annihilate/kill/smash tonight...?

@ oxy

How is this beneficial to town?

[Alonzo]

we can all appreciate some gamey townplay, but Fumakis so far gone Im not sure he knows the way back.

[Alonzo]

@Mod

Prod Spartan

This scum marine is too lurky right now

[Alonzo]

Tell him Alonzo asks if he wants to go to jail, or wants to go home?

XD

[Alonzo]

Take it you dont wanna hear about my epic hangover today then?

[Alonzo]

330 am, Read complete to this point, Q&A session 2moro

[Alonzo]

Ok first post is gonna be a view of the game so far, once its completed im gonna do a second big post on the top 4 post counts isos

[Alonzo]

Chronological observations

So for me Rvs was dominated by the Fumaki Claim and the fallout from it. ugh . wanted to strangle that slot through my screen. still do.

It is what it is, straight into the murk. Given the scummers an easy way through D1.
PL? absolutely, sorry maki. Its how I roll..

SO set against the background of RVS stupidity lets take a look at those who seek to make a bastard of logic off the back of RVS.

#121 oxys line 'this doesn't help me win this game' Is the first post that irks me off the back of Rvs.
#129 Fumaki taunting Oxy
#177 gotta be that last line from sando i guess
#184 More trash talk from Fumaki, i hate that 4th spoiler.

Against the background of these posts is the Mutant/Sandro/Worst interactions. There are a few who are running away in the post cout that i need to analyse further, but i think (and others have seen it too) there some AI reads coming from one player in particular there.

Something about the way ceejay flits in and out with reads seems off to me too. #hate for 198. I want to see more of an in depth logic read into why they feel like that.

Quick Vote on MDev #205 not sure i liked that swipe at sando. Quick has made some good points but that left a taste.
Liked They way sando fielded that one.

#209 uses very thin logic indeed. Even if its the truth.
#210 some buddying maybe? timing is everything

qucks #211 is a stand. Quick is showing his principles here.
disliked #213 in response
#218 more jank from worst . 234 and 235 are non commital.

Not Maf is an enigma. apparently. #243 is a tell.

[Alonzo]

I appreciate this is old news to the players with lots of time on their hands, but its just a few points of contention.

Fumakis next action was to subout, not sure how i feel about that.

[Alonzo]

Of the top 4

Oxy Null town ++
Devle Null town +
Quick Null town (strong)
The Worst Null scum ++

[Alonzo]

Vote: the Worst

[Alonzo]

Taking Questions for an hour or two before bed.

[Alonzo]

Taking Questions for an hour or two before bed.

You got a read on Sando?

I have agreed with a couple of his points and disagreed with one from the early game. Null town null maybe

Of the top 4

Oxy Null town ++
Devle Null town +
Quick Null town (strong)
The Worst Null scum ++

Readslist now please.

its on the stove, be ready soon

Vote the Worst

An explanation on why the worst is scum would be appreciated

Just re reading his ISO, Couldn't find any serious townposts, and considering we dropped a good townie due to the sheer amount of reading in this behemoth, Its obvious to me The worst is scum trying to look busy. But hes overdone it IMO and wouldn't be so agreeable and friendly as town.

[Alonzo]

I havn't ruled out the idea that there is another scum in the top 4 hiding better.

If i follow that theory i think its possibly because scums third wheel is a quiet/ newbier/ shitpostier type and they are carrying them a bit so far.

[Alonzo]

do you normally sort by activity rather than read the game?

When its appropriate to , yes

[Alonzo]

VOTE: the worst

whats the count?

[Alonzo]

VOTE: the worst

whats the count?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

your'e bad! XD

[Alonzo]

as I said before I'm just assuming Alonzo is going somewhere here because his catchup post is dreadful

[Alonzo]

as I said before I'm just assuming Alonzo is going somewhere here because his catchup post is dreadful

Il stick with you. You are a better Lynch than Notmafia today.

And tomorrow.

[Alonzo]

Against the background of these posts is the Mutant/Sandro/Worst interactions. There are a few who are running away in the post cout that i need to analyse further, but i think (and others have seen it too)

there some AI reads coming from one player in particular there.

I'm assuming this means the worst now that you're on him. What's the AI reads from the one player in particular here?

Of the top 4

Top 4 what?

When its appropriate to , yes

Why is it appropriate here, specifically why is it appropriate not to read the game?

I was reviewing the content of the 4 Players with the highest postcounts

I did read the game twice! and the top 4 post counts independently. Thats plenty of reading.

Whilst I havn't conftowned anyone just yet, I think that Mutant And Quick Have made their POVs quite clear and can be held to account on their actions going forwards based on their POVs so far.

[Alonzo]

Ok, and the case on the worst is? Seems like 213 and 218 are the extend of it?

A combination of reads and tells for me, will drag a few up in a moment

[Alonzo]

fuck me. Its the whole lot. Hold on...

[Alonzo]

this might take a while due to my poor edit-fu, but if you wanna whip up a top 5 townposts of the worst in the meantime, il be sure to give it a read.

Project worst will have to come in smaller manageable chunks for the time being.

You ever get that read on someone that turns your brain to shit.... cos all you can see is scum =s

[Alonzo]

Spoiler: clue

Mine was gonna be a vote ://

Hi, Mafia Rolecop here partners...second game as scum counting with my other completed/finished game in this same account...
...who should we annihilate/kill/smash tonight...?

Hold on I'll get a link to the scumchat for you

Funny Guy

VOTE: the worst
You're not the worst, I am, therefore, you're a liar, and we should lynch all liars.

Good logic, could you unvote and vote "Duckling" instead?? Ty

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Important

Could be SvS?

Quick how confident does that make you in your Korina read?



Ayy Sando I just noticed you're Aussie, me too!

Early Sando Buddy

Given the role confidence plays in a social game are you sure tonereading a newbie based on their first scum game is wise?

(if it wasnt their first game and I misremembered I apologise)

A question of Wisdom- isnt this Rvs?

You would attribute that to alignment before confidence? o_0

Logic?

VOTE: the worst
You're not the worst, I am, therefore, you're a liar, and we should lynch all liars.

Good logic, could you unvote and vote "Duckling" instead?? Ty

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Needy?

Any signs of town yet?

[Alonzo]

read list trumps "project worst" in terms of urgency

Well in my next segment im about to get on to your obsession with every one elses reads...

but if you wanna skip the foreplay?

[Alonzo]

I dont wanna spoil the whole list so soon, but your quite near the bottom!

[Alonzo]

Uh this is mostly RVS. Something more recent (and better, no offense) may be nice.[/quote]

fuck me. Its the whole lot. Hold on...

this might take a while due to my poor edit-fu, but if you wanna whip up a top 5 townposts of the worst in the meantime, il be sure to give it a read.

Project worst will have to come in smaller manageable chunks for the time being.

some people... =)

[Alonzo]

Ahhh all my talk about making a bastard of the logic sando and you want to prejudice a debate that hasnt even taken place yet.

I suspect that you have only a thin read on town Worst and dont want me to puncture the bubble maybe, i dont really understand #646, i reread 523# but thats a bit of a trainwreck too.

Are you saying that im scum with Oxy? Or just scum alone?

[Alonzo]

Chapter 2-Dancing with the Devle

Spoiler: clue

VOTE: mutantdevle

Nice to see you devle, did you enjoy marathon weekend?

Enter Devle

Next person to say Slayers Gambit gets policy slapped

Slayers Gambit IME is a fantastic way to sort playstyles while accomplishing nothing

Isnt there something more interreting to talk about?

Are we boring you?

@mutantdevle Where did Quick claim scum?

Initial town reads: korina, alonzo, fumuki

I agree,

in theory

, on policy lynching the scum claimers. I would rather win the game, though.

Why Korina
Why Alonzo
Why Fumuki

Why do you agree with that policy

This whole situation stinks of lame, but im pretty sure worst does the needling.

Can we all take a moment to talk about how great Sando is?! First townrea

Want explanations from Oxy and Quick + something from devle

Drunkposting duckling OUT



Pedit: fumuki sweetie what would you meta read for at this stage

WANT WANT WANT

Can we all take a moment to talk about how great Sando is?! First townrea

Want explanations from Oxy and Quick + something from devle

Drunkposting duckling OUT



Pedit: fumuki sweetie what would you meta read for at this stage

Uh...I was going to say that RVS shows some good personality traits actually...If you try to float by when scum for example, joking around too much in RVS is a good sign...even though it's just a first step....

In a side note....

I need to ask again why no one is voting ceejayvinoya based on my theory....

Like...it would be the best lynching option...

Also...why are people actually talking about policy lynching based on flufflying in RVS...that's what is truly anti-town...even if we miraculously hit scum in complete randomness you'll not even gain important info...

You made a single good point here. Have you played mafia before?

Patronizing.

MD = mutantdevle

I personally do not like this abbreviation. Especially when I'm in games with

M

ath

d

ino.

I thought of that too!
Ah to be mixed up with such a polarising player.

In other news....devle why did you roll scum?! I like you! So unfair.

Buddy and needle, simultaneously... just tell us do you like Devle or not!!

Forgot Not_Mafia was here, sup old buddy?

@Fumuki if you want to be a troll who is actually extremely awesome to have around, keep an eye on this miltank

Obey.

Lets not Forget Notmafia.

Also, the attached quotes have nothing to do with Quick seeming to know Mafia have a daychat, I just realized that.
138 is the post that is suggesting that to me:

That was not a Scum claim by me. That was a reaction test where I wanted to see how Fumuki would react because

I actually felt like they very well could have been posting that in the wrong chat and that it wasn't just a joke

. I wanted to see how Fumuki would take my comment because as seen in this game, it could have been taken two different ways, and this is intended. Fumiki took it in the way that I was NOT joking. This to me tells me they are riddled with a guilty conscience because they didn't just brush it off.

Fixed, because I was mobile posting while making that post.

P-Edit: Oh, nvm, I'm an idiot then. I missed that.

VOTE: Quick

Awful vote.

This is a townslip or NAI, decide which and case Quick for other reasons but it is the opposite of a scumslip

vague.

Hell yeaaaah. Naked vote + omgus = lots of fun

He's the third vote on me. Statistically, the third vote is always scum

Oh. I see. Kidding aside,

@Not_Mafia

why pintchorizo? What gives?

Betchu a drink he replies with "cause hes scum"

Pejudice. Maybe the reason is Maf has tells on worst from other games. If maf was the funniest guy on the planet the jokes lost in the hype now..

I have some feels on some of the players who have posted so far, but keeping those gut reads to myself for the time being.

This feels like you are trying too hard.

VOTE: Fast

I'm putting scum in these two for now, don't like either side of this equation. This reads as weak an approval seeking from Quick and a bit of an opportunistic pickup from mutant, followed by a vote elsewhere.

I normally like townhunting, but Quick seems to be doing it on fairly dubious grounds and hasn't backed it up reasonably when questioned. Weak townhunting is an easy place for scum to hide and I dun like it.

Yay end of RVS.

VOTE: Quick

@devle

Sando and I hiveminded this vibe. D1 is horse poop but this is a good D1 townread for me.

Who are your biggest townreads?

maybe hes like the cookie monster, but for townreads... gimme Gimme GIMME

In other news....devle why did you roll scum?! I like you! So unfair.

What makes you think I'm scum?

Last time we played you were obvtown as shit to me WHILE being mislynched. Like you took stances and explained yourself well as I recall it, the haters just rebutted beautifully and town were of inconsistent quality

Here it feels like youre trying to avoid taking stances or explain yourself. IIOA vibe from substanceposts. If this is just my hungover self being a mess please show me where I'm wrong.

Whats going on from your POV here devle cos this just seems grim to me.
Seems like 'throw shit and if it sticks great! ..... If not.. well... reasons'

Elaborate, pintchorizo?

I like other things you are doing, but this is a terrible nickname for Sordicchio. =(

Sordicchio is a great compromise. I will forget it.
Akshully who are your strongest townreads?

i.e. within 24 hrs right

......d <3

How strong is your devle townread?

pedit: YES QUICK EXACTLY

I might be slightly biased because I'm used to bleeding heart town devle. I'll consider it.

How do you read Quick?

Also omg new puppy<3 what breed? Is it adorable?

Gimme One more read? for the road

[Alonzo]

This facking Iso is 9 miles long...

[Alonzo]

Premier League?

Spoiler: clue

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

for having an unnecessarily long name

Seems fair.

VOTE: Pintchurrio

Whats with all this hate on Not_Mafia? Someone tell me pleaseee

Jealousy

Swagger.

I don't remember

selective memory

Quick is town

If NM flips red Lynch Quick?? =)

Silence Pintscummio!

Authoritaaah

So much hate Don't worry, someone will do something I can tunnel soon

The time is drawing closer...

It's pretty meh, this playerlist is far too agreeable and down the line to create anything interesting this early

If you dont steal the remote you aint getting a go!

Quick is town

Here's your chance to almost instantly get me to vote elsewhere:

Why am I Town?

What if I don't care about where your vote is?

Whoah!

Everyone’s a cunt but me

Dangerous Victim complex? Or best Line ever? =)

[Alonzo]

HAHAHAHAHA WALL POST ISOING NOT_MAFIA ALONZO MARRY ME

I needed a change of pace.

[Alonzo]

I see that the votes have not flooded onto the duckling. I respectfully disagree with you all.

The hydra's vote on Iconeum looks promising.

I didn't check what Alonso was saying in 580 against the posts the first time around because he didn't make links

If you haven't compared his notes to the posts they are referencing, you should.

I can make a wall on why it's terrible if necessary,

but just look.

The rest of his ISO is also underwhelming.

town
{Hydra, Quick, Sando, Vivi}
not town
{Korina, Not Maf, Pinturicchio, Randomidget, Mutantdevle*}
Scum
{Duckling, Alonso, Iconeum}

*This slot is due for a reappraisal. I just don't want to read his iso right now.

Apparently it is. knock yourself out

Cos you know, who doesnt want to be promoted from scum! to merely not town!

[Alonzo]

@Alonzo Are you going to finish your case on the duckling, mate?

heres the thing, that iso is miles long, and its miserable to read. Worst could resonably make it 25% longer over the next few days.

I will persevere, but as stated that sort of mass editing isnt my strong point. you will have more from me on that subject before the end of the day, of that there is no doubt.

In the meantime I suggested people do a top 5 townreads post the worst, so i can have a look and see what im missing in my reads. No such posts exist as of yet that im aware of.

[Alonzo]

@Quick I'm not really even trying to figure all that out right now. I just believe that Alonzo is probably scum and that the duckling is really probably scum and that this thing between them could be svs as easily as anything else.

His game includes lots of narration of events with no or low substance alignment reads as a result, fluff, and a

half-assed push.

p.edit hrmm I did miss that spoiler, and it's definitely a better looking ISO than if he just never followed up on that first post. Going to have to think on it.

I agree im behind in content FWIW.

Im gonna go readslist/ rest of worst case/ who else bothers me- in terms of schedule between now and lynch time.

[Alonzo]

It positive effect of him not floating offering throwaway posts to every interaction between everybody.

Trouble is the content thats sprung up in its place is... well... not moving town forwards as a cohesive unit just yet, which makes me think... things.

Town need someone strong to get on the mic and stay there. Im free tuesday - friday.

[Alonzo]

Your absence? or lack of town cohesion?

[Alonzo]

Vc

Vote the Worst

[Alonzo]

Greetings PK

[Alonzo]

will do

[Alonzo]

WK?

[Alonzo]

So Re the worst, Having reviewed that iso a couple of times now, Im getting a feeling for the player.

I have decided to downgrade you rating to null scum + and take a look at another player on that list.

This doesnt mean I dont still SR the slot, but im not going to death tunnel like i thought i was the other night.
Other things have happened since that read that I would prefer to spend my time looking at for the moment.

[Alonzo]

What do you suggest then, Quick??? Could you stop talking and talking and talking and talking and talking and...


...and talking and talking and start gamesolving? Because you're not helping, at all. You know that a lot of people have replaced out because of how awful the discussions of this game has been right? Do you acknowledge that?

Do you think scums plan was to push the count high?

[Alonzo]

Why are my thoughts Irrelevant?

[Alonzo]

Im looking to interact with some of the less salty players, is that a crime?

[Alonzo]

VOTE: MOMOMEN

Didn't Like Fu

Dont like This

[Alonzo]

FWIW, im also pretty Certain The Random Midget Slot is VT

[Alonzo]

THe 3rd Scummer Is better hidden.

Could be Lurker Type. Gonna be hard to sort the other quieter slots. RM slot Vt. I know Spartan would have played on as either Scum or Pr.

Could Be.. Sando.

Might be Quick.

Thats where I'm at

Duck/Hydra +1

[Alonzo]

Explains why its going to shit then.

I know.

[Alonzo]

We had unfinished Business.

We wanted to get nkd

[Alonzo]

oui

[Alonzo]

What do I have In common with your other scumreads hydra?

[Alonzo]

2 down, 1 to go

[Alonzo]

We are working on it.

[Alonzo]

How do you feel that the Hydra considers you expendable?

[Alonzo]

ok, you are asking in the past tense? @ worst?

[Alonzo]

like' how was i feeling 10 pages ago?'

[Alonzo]

Spartan And I joined up for this one after playing in 1853.

we were gonna be like cowboys on a mountain.

[Alonzo]

how do you rate your own interactions with random midget.

If you are playing to your wincon it seems you dont want him to have a voice, much like youd like to see me shuttup no doubt

[Alonzo]

like i said. we are working on it.

[Alonzo]

sorry i should be tagging these

ducky townsynergy is a myth. mostly.

momomommo, ur scum

[Alonzo]

RN Eddie head is about at

{Quick, Sando} - and by the way, if NM is scum Quick is still hard town.
{Oxy, Piss} - If Mutant and TW end up being town, Oxy is likely scum but I don't want him to be I love him </3
{NM, Pintu} - townreads for garbage reasons. Mostly just gut ping town.
{random} - null, but I want to call this slot town for no reason.
{CJ}
{TW, Ico, Alonzo, Mutant} - kill this pool with fire and if it doesn't have at least 2 of the scum i'll be very surprised

More Shitposting @ MOD

I lol'd.

[Alonzo]

Awwwwwoooo

[Alonzo]

thats my wolf Howl

[Alonzo]

Not a big training day fan huh?

[Alonzo]

That's cool tho, I don't really know much about... Err little Asian children's cartoons either

[Alonzo]

Yes tell him your problems quick, quick.

Pedit. Funny.

[Alonzo]

If this is How momo treats his top TR, what hope the rest of us?

[Alonzo]

That's cool tho, I don't really know much about... Err little Asian children's cartoons either

I got this avatar from the mods on the site as an April fools joke. Otherwise it would be this:



I've only ever seen actual wolves make those kind of posts so that is why I voted you.

Wolf doesn't equal scum, wolf equals driven player with opinions and leadership equity FWIW

so where are you at, quick?

With what?

scumreads

Ask me about my TRs. My SRs are garbage at this stage of the game.

Top 4 town rdz plz?

[Alonzo]

Catching up and posting later today. Have an audit to work with as well, so today could be limited. More activity for sure from tomorrow on!

Pretty sure duckling is Scum here. I just voted them to see their reaction. Given they went on a sporadic spontaneous posting spree that has little to do with the Sus on them, I think this shows they are Scum.

That said, I almost thing I have enough on NM for a SR as well as a PL so I am going back there. But more votes on the worst is welcomed. I just have to vote NM for the principle of it.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

RN Eddie head is about at

{Quick, Sando} - and by the way, if NM is scum Quick is still hard town.
{Oxy, Piss} - If Mutant and TW end up being town, Oxy is likely scum but I don't want him to be I love him </3
{NM, Pintu} - townreads for garbage reasons. Mostly just gut ping town.
{random} - null, but I want to call this slot town for no reason.
{CJ}
{TW, Ico, Alonzo, Mutant} - kill this pool with fire and if it doesn't have at least 2 of the scum i'll be very surprised

I think there is exactly 1 scum in your top bracket. What say you?
Ur scumreading Oxy but are putting him up there because you want to save him for last because you love him. Correct?
You went from top townreading TW to scumreading pretty quickly. In your bottom bracket i'd be putting the 4-some of Mutant/Sando/Pintu/Alonzo.

Hmmm, I thought I removed the first quote. Ignore that.
Still had it multiquoted from catching up as it pinged me. Didn't like the scumread on the duck while voting someone else.

While I don't clear Quick, he has actually been sorting a lot and posting good content. That one quote was literally all the negative I found, which is why i didn't intend to follow up on it.

You have been active, but not sorting. And a lot of sheeping

I asked who you're TRing BESIDES those two. give me something interesting.

Also fluffing =/= not sorting. Check my ISO, my lynchpool is narrowing which is exciting!

Here's something interesting: I'm not townreading Quick and sando. I think one of these is scum.

Moro likely town. His big entrance pinged me as town, and is obviously making effort in solving the game. I don't agree with his entire readlist though.

Pintu I read as town. Mostly because of how genuine his posts sound. Not really because of the content.

I think there is a TvS in the worst/oxy.

RN Eddie head is about at

{Quick, Sando} - and by the way, if NM is scum Quick is still hard town.
{Oxy, Piss} - If Mutant and TW end up being town, Oxy is likely scum but I don't want him to be I love him </3
{NM, Pintu} - townreads for garbage reasons. Mostly just gut ping town.
{random} - null, but I want to call this slot town for no reason.
{CJ}
{TW, Ico, Alonzo, Mutant} - kill this pool with fire and if it doesn't have at least 2 of the scum i'll be very surprised

In your bottom bracket i'd be putting the 4-some of Mutant/Sando/Pintu/Alonzo.

Pintu I read as town. Mostly because of how genuine his posts sound. Not really because of the content.

So are you scumreading me or townreading me? Inconsistency is pretty scummy, you know... Because scum has to fake scumreads, while town just say what they are thinking

RN Eddie head is about at

{Quick, Sando} - and by the way, if NM is scum Quick is still hard town.
{Oxy, Piss} - If Mutant and TW end up being town, Oxy is likely scum but I don't want him to be I love him </3
{NM, Pintu} - townreads for garbage reasons. Mostly just gut ping town.
{random} - null, but I want to call this slot town for no reason.
{CJ}
{TW, Ico, Alonzo, Mutant} - kill this pool with fire and if it doesn't have at least 2 of the scum i'll be very surprised

In your bottom bracket i'd be putting the 4-some of Mutant/Sando/Pintu/Alonzo.

Pintu I read as town. Mostly because of how genuine his posts sound. Not really because of the content.

So are you scumreading me or townreading me? Inconsistency is pretty scummy, you know... Because scum has to fake scumreads, while town just say what they are thinking

So the real question is why people are looking at him for Rising Star?

I'm actually pretty sure I messed up somewhere, but will have to correct it tomorrow after I get home to my notes.
Stay tuned

wow cool, good luck Ico!

with what?

Ico has scum equity I think, Im gonna assume its down to posting in a rush this morning.

Look forwards to you sharing these notes.

[Alonzo]

UNVOTE:

I'm tempted to join the Pintu wagon, is there a legit scum case on him?

We need to see more of our lurker friends. Everyone here right now strikes me as townie and us sniping at each other is baaad.

I like this post mainly because I mostly agree with it. I wouldn't say for certain that all 3 scum are amongst the lurkers (due to natural probability) but it's certainly looking as though there is a high concentration there.

Ah, what are your thoughts on it?
I'm inexperienced too just like sharing ideas

You all did alright. I was expecting a lot of name calling and "noooo, youuu suck because so and so". Sooo some more townlean points I guess?

This post made me think about how there was a distinct lack of hostility between the worst, Sando and Oxy. Usually, these kinds of arguments can get quite heated and, whilst there was some frustration with each other, this argument remained calm. Now, this could just be because they are all calm people in general, but I'm taking it as further evidence that this was T&TvT.

as I said before I'm just assuming Alonzo is going somewhere here because his catchup post is dreadful

Il stick with you. You are a better Lynch than Notmafia today.

And tomorrow.

I don't think you should be to so quick to write off N_M as an early lynch candidate. If there's no vig in the game, I'm definitely going to be all for his lynch tomorrow. You either kill off shit posters early or let them live until endgame - and I don't really want N_M in the endgame.

Ugh, the whole interactions with Alonzo on page <26 is making my brain hurt but it still makes me lose a little confidence in the worst. Sando is looking good from it though.

I get the feeling that there's 1 scum in the worst and Alonzo though.

I'd probably vote Icon if there was explicitly a case on him. Alternatively, if Oxy was on it then I'd be town reading the wagon enough to join it.

Ladder of town reads down to scum reads:

{Oxy, Sando}
{Quick, the worst}
{Alonso}
{MOMOMEN, Not_Mafia, randommidget, Iconeum}
{Ceejay}
{Korina, Pintu}

What did Alonzo do that puts him higher than half the player list? Why is korina still at the bottom despite the fact that there is nothing to read on her for days now (if you have something earlier in the game that points to her being scum, I'd like to see it)? Do you have anything more concrete on Pintu than "my gut says so"? Also would like to see something on why The_Worst is a tr.

Point out where I've been critical of other people's readlists?

1. His interactions and criticisms of the worst
2. For the very reason that there had been nothing to read for days.
3. RVS scum claim, the shit logic/case against Quick and the slight scum hunting.
^^ Just to say, why are you only now questioning/criticising my read on Korina when it's been nothing higher than a scum lean all game. This just screams opportunistic scum from you.
4. No
5. Because he seems to have a town attitude and has been consistently townie posting throughout the game. However, other's points about him have made me doubt him enough to have this read as purely a lean rather than a full town read.
^^ Also again, why only question this now and not the multiple occasions throughout the game where I have stated my town read/lean on the worst. You're just trying to give the impression that you REALLY think I'm scummy to justify your position on my wagon.

overarticulation is part of devle's wolf range. yes, i read all the gamess he linked, and this seems to align with his wolf game.

I have no idea how you can read all my games and reach this conclusion... I've always felt that I have so much more to say when I'm town.

Some Devle post that catch the eye. Not saying I SR this slot, but it contains a few gaffes that i cant argue against being scum really.
We will definately keep an eye out.

[Alonzo]

@Quick

What happens when you apply the piss logic to the other quieter roles? do they seem towny too?

[Alonzo]

I downgraded duck from null scum ++ to null scum + last night.

It hasn't changed hugely, I really really dont like his early game contribution.

But.

He hasnt been as prevalent as he was at the start, hes still floaty and fluffy which I rarely TR.

[Alonzo]

Shame my MOMO read isnt more popular.

Im gonna flesh it out a bit

[Alonzo]

Notice how the hydra stops when im around?

That flip to eddie, the sudden list and long heartfelt speech, that didnt ring any alarm bells with you guys last night?

[Alonzo]

if i just called you scum or unsorted, lost a link of ur town and wolf game or else ill fucking tunnel you into the ground.

Check My Debut, Check Tatsuyas open house, check 1853. I do have a scum game onsite too, just cant memeber the name just now. Yes Folks im probably the NK, (tracker on me =))

brah if u sheep me we'll win. i'm averaging 2.5 wplves a game rn

Remind me to go back and look at those sheep tells later

Will currants be acceptable?

Welcome MOMOMEN, what's your maf experience?
Regardless of alignment I like you.

i've played 3 years all over the world, son. not sure about eddie, tho.

NEVER EVER LYNCH:
quick, the worst

town: korina fumuki sando pinto

unsorted: random, not mafia

scum: devle, ceejay, alonzo, ice

Which one are you?

What's with Korina, where dat from?
What's with Alonzo, where dat from?

Have you fully caught up or is dis still half the game reads?

i'm killthestory.

i'd be worried if korina wasn't joking around and roleplaying. they do this a lot outside of games and are generally a very loose person, so if you see a serious korina, they're likely wolf. the early korina wolfreads were surface level reads construed by wolves or townies that haven't gone past level 1 all day.

alonzo's entrance was garbage, and though he's had a few good posts, he's way too uptight and fake to be considered town here. might be his personality, but by the end of today, i'll know each of u so well i'll be whispering sweet nothings into ur ear while feeding u chocolate strawberries.

Cant wait for these

NEVER EVER LYNCH:
quick, the worst

town: korina fumuki sando pinto

unsorted: random, not mafia

scum: devle, ceejay, alonzo, ice

What's with me tho

i looked into ur heart and saw it was filled with malice. sorry you had to roll wolf here

the duck has a good wolf game. they might be the deepwolf i was missing. adding them to unsorted. ice is likely wolf here. N_M feels not as appeasing as his scum game. he's egging on violence rather than trying to be more peaceful town.

i'll have game locked soon enough. VOTE: Ice

This is a strange vote, if im remembering my timelines right, Ico was around the 15 or so post mark at the time. Could be Scum voting their quieter member to life.

mad we didnt roll scum woulda dunked.

yo give me like a few minutes i'll find wolf team.

yo wtf is this game LOL. people throwing around slayers gambit, and no one having done anything to really find a wolf 10 pages in.

it's a good thing i've already found all the wolves.

that was our intro Alonzo...OMGUS

[Alonzo]

Notice how the hydra stops when im around?

That flip to eddie, the sudden list and long heartfelt speech, that didnt ring any alarm bells with you guys last night?

No that in particular, but I think there's scum in you two based on the last few pages...I just lean on it being you right about now.

Clearly your old age is effecting your judgement. Clearly.

[Alonzo]

@quick I've never played with a hydra before. Any advice on dealing with them? Like just treat them like anyone else?

well right now eddie's asleep and hasn't posted, so you're basically just dealing with me. don't be scared, i pr0bably won't kill you today.

See now i can RR and fully understand what you are saying

the duck is probably the deepwolf theyre banking on, ice is scum, and one of alonzo/devle is scum.

still gotta look into the last two poe and look into ceejay tho

@quick I've never played with a hydra before. Any advice on dealing with them? Like just treat them like anyone else?

I don't distinguish between heads when I play with Hydra's. That said, it's probably Eddie talking.

how dare you

Am I the duck

you see any other ducks, duck?

yo while you're at it shoot me one towngame and one wolfgame of yours

Can't. My previous experience offsite is playing 15 minute games on epicmafia. Feel free to tunnel me

fuk

nah ur town sheep me for freelo

Aiming to buddy

Hm?

So duckling is the lynch today, then.

bookmarked

Hm?

So duckling is the lynch today, then.

Nah, let's lynch NM instead?

nah

I hope when I roll wolf I roll wolf with you guys. c:

Unfortunately I'm town here. >:

Again, likely Svs for me

imm coming around to that idea. the fact that you voted ice is a good sign. now i gotta see what eddie thinks of ya

btw i now own this thread, so if ur gonna talk to me, pls address me as your majesty or my liege pls. ty

Ok sweetheart

that, "hm?" tho

that comes from town? no way....

idk, i write hmmm a lot as town. lotta little things we don't consider we do that might come off as scummy. like i said, i prrobably don't hit the duck and instead wait for eddie. ice as far as im concerned along with alonzo and devle are all pretty easy wolves. hitting the duck is a risk i dont wanna take.

yuh huh

btw i now own this thread, so if ur gonna talk to me, pls address me as your majesty or my liege pls. ty

Yerp. You should prolly start splainin at some point because this "dis post good" "dis post bad" shit has got to go.

dis post bad

Quick to the rescue.

Read page 9: Oxy and Quick are town. NM town lean actually. CJ and Mutant scum lean.

I can't do a proper catchup because some DUMBO didn't give me the hydra PW lmao.

Read Page 17: Sando, Oxy, Quick, slight NM town. CJ, Mutant, Worst, Ico scum lean. No idea on Pintu, Korina, Random, Alonzo

Caught up: Oxy and Quick are still town,

so Sando either needs to fuck off with that or lose his town status.

NM seemed townie from the couple posts they had, but its the weakest read possible and if trackvig chooses vig he should be shot tonight on policy. My reads are mostly still the same; CJ, Mutant, Worst, and Ico is my scum pool, and the fact KTS got to the same conclusion is awesome because I did NOT read his posts before catching up nor have we communicated aside from meming. I don't know how to read Korina aside from "annoying", Pintu seems very slight town I guess ???, I will need to check but if I'm remembering right Random dislikes scum so that's a thing for why he hasn't posted yet (not voting there today though because he's the only player in this game I have any respect for or knowledge of going into the game who knows maybe one of you will earn that by the end!), Alonzo is a scum lean I guess I didn't Tr any of his content and KTS has him as scum.

This Vs sando is awful unless he 'knows' sando wont fully react. Could be Svs, or could confirm sando as town, wanna re read this

what game did we play tw? idr.

newbs, dont take advice from lq. there's an argument to be made for ONLY outing scumreads d1 (dont tell scum who to kill) unless your townreads get wagoned. Only doing townreads is stupid. nobody cares how accurate you are, first of all your trs are like 75% likely to be right anyways on math and second of you're wrong on one it doesn't matter because scum will kill the others. I do full reads lists d1 becaus people BoP me and I like it anyways, but only trs is stupid. if you know you are often wrong with scumreads learn when to sheep people and that's that.

Sheepception...

[Alonzo]

You called him a silly goose.

Then you went hey everyone what about NM

then when he gave you a swift back hand you flipped to me.

So yeah, maybe that underreaction is a tell, as well as the distractions after.

[Alonzo]

Anyways, this is supposed to be about momo, so much scummy around that time, so much to quote.

Unlike worst, there is no way back For momo

[Alonzo]

Caught up: Oxy and Quick are still town, so Sando either needs to fuck off with that or lose his town status.

This is really, really funny in light of the last few pages of Mom and Quick. Also threatening someone about their townstatus like that is really, really stupid, especially in this instance.

Also:

there's an argument to be made for ONLY outing scumreads d1 (dont tell scum who to kill) unless your townreads get wagoned...[

snip

].... if you know you are often wrong with scumreads learn when to sheep people and that's that.

I'm voting the same person as you...

N_Ms recent activity with Quick strikes me as just picking a stupid obv!town that you know will jump at the bait you point out and get you into a pointless 1v1. Troll or scummy?

Porque no los dos?

Porque no los dos?

Shit, I had not considered this...well played good sir!

It's also not a 1v1 when I'm townreading him

I can make a wall on why it's terrible if necessary, but just look.

I know why it's terrible, as were his follow ups. Is it scummy though? If so, why?

You called him a silly goose.

Then you went hey everyone what about NM

then when he gave you a swift back hand you flipped to me.

So yeah, maybe that underreaction is a tell, as well as the distractions after.

Sorry shoulda tagged the posts.

[Alonzo]

Whats my scum agenda? lynch momo?

[Alonzo]

im showing the posts I was talking about relevant to my previous post, the two should be entwined as a single post.

@ sando

[Alonzo]

You called him a silly goose.

Then you went hey everyone what about NM

then when he gave you a swift back hand you flipped to me.

So yeah, maybe that underreaction is a tell, as well as the distractions after.

Where's the bold bit in all that?

In post 910, Sando wrote:
N_Ms recent activity with Quick strikes me as just picking a stupid obv!town that you know will jump at the bait you point out and get you into a pointless 1v1. Troll or scummy?

In post 911, Not_Mafia wrote:
Porque no los dos?

In post 912, Sando wrote:
In post 911, Not_Mafia wrote:
Porque no los dos?

Shit, I had not considered this...well played good sir!

In post 913, Not_Mafia wrote:
It's also not a 1v1 when I'm townreading him

[Alonzo]

Notice how the hydra stops when im around?

I am in literal awe that you think that much of yourself. Especially when the same question works when you switch it: Notice how the Alonzo stops when im around?

That flip to eddie, the sudden list and long heartfelt speech, that didnt ring any alarm bells with you guys last night?

What flip, and what bells could that post ring?

lol alonzo's a sick wolf if he is one. i don't want to hit there today.

ogi, but i just want to talk about. everyone here is a pretty sick person, and i'm really enjoying my time in the game. (trust me, you'd know if i wasn't :p.) i'm hoping that we can get more constructive content out of the day though and let everyone else reciprocate the same feelings i have. i think the meta of the site largely effects this. it's whatever, but i'm hoping to better cooperate with you guys.

as far as scumreads go, i sort of want to see where everyone is at. the thread is very opinionated and very different in reads, and that's always a good thing fyi. a town who is locked in at only a few people is a town destined to lose. scum will always have presence to make sure that these few people generally flip town. i think the way people (me included) are going about their pushes are a little awkward though. when making a push, please always use the mindset that you are going to be wrong, and that's okay. don't get stuck in your reads, and don't be afraid to reevaluate. with that said, please don't make pushes on people you're not scumreading for ogi reasons. @Quick, i'd like to work with you here, and me making passive aggressive comments isn't helping. you're obviously putting in a lot of effort, and i'd like that effort directed towards a similar goal we both share. obviously, you can do you, too.

@wolves, please focus on posting more and being moe affirmable in spreading doubt within the town. we town have a lot of presence right now and have already done well to lock a few people as town. spreading doubt in our reads and setting up mislynches will be beneficial for you as we enter endgame. please don't forget about the importance of day 1.

with that said, let's talk, alonzo. why do you think worst and us are scum? anyone who's tring ico or devle, share your opinions. we're not infallible. i just every1 to have an enjoyable game :p.

This post is out of hand. Hydra are new to me, but bi polar hydras are something else

[Alonzo]

how do you rate your own interactions with random midget.

If you are playing to your wincon it seems you dont want him to have a voice, much like youd like to see me shuttup no doubt

[Alonzo]

lol so my power and data are spotty but back, wifi still out. the rest of my neighbourhood is still out but yay buried power lines!

uh

this game is p simple lol

oxy, sando, quick, pintu, nm, piss, and us are solidly town.

tw, random, alonzo, ico, CJ, mutant therefore contains the scum. probably all 3, at the very least two. i'm going to try and be as pleasant as possible because mathdinkle insists over and over in my server that open queue is the highest level of play on site, and while i have no clue wtf kts is smoking with 1159, i'll try and give it a shot despite how little i'm enjoying this.

Its fairly obvious that random/ico/cj isnt the scum team here.
The names at the top are your sheeple? Quick wont like that...

[Alonzo]

This post is out of hand. Hydra are new to me, but bi polar hydras are something else

You're aware we are different people right? And, again, what bells does that post ring? I don't know what "out of hand" means.

Come to think of it i dont think NM will like it either, nor piss when hes finally up to speed.

Oxy strikes me as the perfect gent who would be agreeable if its the gentlemanly thing to do.

[Alonzo]

Have you looked at TW's scum game? He's actually a solid player, especially for his lack of experience. Like, that's the issue KTS had earlier. The one I've read is the newbie with Katy and etc.

Heads up- I called you sell TW down the river for town cred pages ago.

[Alonzo]

Have you looked at TW's scum game? He's actually a solid player, especially for his lack of experience. Like, that's the issue KTS had earlier. The one I've read is the newbie with Katy and etc.

I suck at meta-reading, I'll notice things (like mutant and N_M interactions) and call out issues like your (I dunno which one of you in that hydra) read on Mutants meta that I don't get, but I'm terrible at just blindly reading a meta.

What am I looking for in his scum-meta that differs from his town meta that I can look for?

Meta-reading is very meh if you aren't reading as the thread is happening so DW. (and KTS said the mutant stuff, I think he'll post more on it when he's on)

Dunno. Agreeability etc. I just got a similar vibe to here, and when you realize his play as scum is good his iso here isn't actually great? Iunno. I was mostly asking because if you got a different conclusion (that he was still town here) then that's something to think about but if you have no conclusion on it then its mute.

lol so my power and data are spotty but back, wifi still out. the rest of my neighbourhood is still out but yay buried power lines!

uh

this game is p simple lol

oxy, sando, quick, pintu, nm, piss, and us are solidly town.

tw, random, alonzo, ico, CJ, mutant therefore contains the scum. probably all 3, at the very least two. i'm going to try and be as pleasant as possible because mathdinkle insists over and over in my server that open queue is the highest level of play on site, and while i have no clue wtf kts is smoking with 1159, i'll try and give it a shot despite how little i'm enjoying this.

Its fairly obvious that random/ico/cj isnt the scum team here.
The names at the top are your sheeple? Quick wont like that...

Sure. A good reply to a post with a scumpool of 6 is to choose 3 random names and say they aren't a likely scum team. Thanks for your quality contribution

Id probably resort to BS put downs if I could explain away how Random ico and ceejay have this game by the balls either.

[Alonzo]

Where is your long case on the worst then?

If you procced him first read, why no follow up?

[Alonzo]

Show the actual links to the TW/Lonzo/Mutant scum team, cos its the only one thats halfway viable

[Alonzo]

Ok, you have bad reads and no arguements with either head.

Thanks for clearing that up

[Alonzo]

Okay, fair enough. I don't have any interest really in lynching him today either, so that's fine with me.

So hes now a null read?

[Alonzo]

Why have I got to explain your SRs?

Im saying you cant have more that a thin read on Random, Cj and ico purely due to low post count.

that leaves me and devle, And the slot you 'scumread from the start but are not going to vote for'

So basically your voting me Or Devle then? Possibly Ico if you cant twist him as scum, and the others you will beg other to PL with you in place of actual reads?

[Alonzo]

Notice how the hydra stops when im around?

I am in literal awe that you think that much of yourself. Especially when the same question works when you switch it: Notice how the Alonzo stops when im around?

That flip to eddie, the sudden list and long heartfelt speech, that didnt ring any alarm bells with you guys last night?

What flip, and what bells could that post ring?

Man I can't do this

Why not, an hour ago you were begging for it?

[Alonzo]

You yourself said Ico is likely scum and fos'd Devle, so how is it "twisting him as scum"? And when have I ever begged someone to PL ever?

I don't have a strong read on Random and CJ, correct. Hence why they aren't in my town pile, and are by PoE scum. Aka the marvelous playstyle I clearly just invented called

townhunting

.

Also explain how random and piss occupy different level on your list

[Alonzo]

because korina was obv town and spartan posted 0 nai content?

I concede that

Too much reading, IDGAF is the standard town position in this one.

ergo i read them equally.

[Alonzo]

You yourself said Ico is likely scum and fos'd Devle, so how is it "twisting him as scum"? And when have I ever begged someone to PL ever?

Heres where your bi polar comes into play, I said ico 'had some scum equity' specifically. And true I Fos the Devle, for his sheeping. But your aka has been actively encouraging sheeping since you joined.

So when you say 'when have I? blah blah' it surreal talking to someone who only really selectively remebers their negative impact on the townblock so far.

[Alonzo]

@Kts

Why dont you vote Worst if hes your early scumread and nothings changed?

[Alonzo]

Knowing who to sheep is a very useful skill in itself

Think I'm maybe paraphrasing Quick from sitecat here.

Aren't you even a little bothered about the Hydras read on you?

[Alonzo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyM2duoBBig

Dont hate the player, hate the game!

I think its more because theres 13 players here and you have to shout to be heard sometimes. I assure you its not my intention to deal with every slot so firmly.

[Alonzo]

ok so my pc decided to break down. i am more or less caught up now, any questions?
i wont be long posting for a little bit while fixing my pc

oxy, sando
momonen, the worst, CJ
NM, Pintu, pisskop
Ico, nm, mutant
alonzo

reads atm

Got any Filler?

[Alonzo]

could you link me to what you perceived to be AtE in your last game with scum!pingu btw?

Spoiler: Pintu being emotionally manipulative

@NSG, I really don't know what to say to you, because you haven't said where the hell are you coming from with your read on me, sorry

Ok, first of all: I am the better vig option. Sorry Gamma, but Dino is right: the stupid wagon on me was a death sentence as I'm not a PR. Town already made that mistake and there's no turning back. And yes, stupid wagon, fucking stupid wagon, because almost all the reads about me on this game were "that post from Pin looks like newb!town" or "I've seen "newb!scum playing like Pin". I subscribed to this game to play with experienced players to learn quickly and be contributive, but no matter how much effort I took (and yeah, a lot of effort using google translate almost the entire time to use the exact words I'm trying to say), no one really cared about what I had to say in this game. "You overexplain yourself" of fucking course I do, I don't speak fluent english, I'm here because of that. I really tried to be helpful, but it was impossible. Please, lynch or vig me this day, as I assume I will be more helpful being dead than alive in this game.

Secondly, and to be a little more positive, I did learn a lot with this game, so thank you all. Hope my flip helps anyone to build better cases on D2 as I feel every single case on this day was Dino talking shit and trying to be MVP.

@pintu: i'll listen to your reads if i'm still alive btw

hope you don't fall into the "fuck the community for D1 lynching me" mindset tbh
the first game i played with hyper-experienced players got me D1 lynched for bullshit reasons
sometimes it's more about charisma than anything else, which can be annoying but things get better

Don't worry, I'll keep playing as my english has already improved and I learned a lot from this game: I need more confidence on myself and my own cases and reads. I know you took time to read what I had to say and there are others that did too, so sorry for generalizing but that's how I felt this game.

Jay: I know.

But right now I seriously doubt if I did anything that would change anything.

I took a look while I was working and I saw no cases. Players are sheeping sheeping players. That's all I can see. Even during a brief look at all the pages I saw plenty of scummy posts from almost all of you. (You're no exception.) Would it be worth pointing the out? I'd spend hours with posting only to face the fact: noone would care.

Exactly how I feel, and it's even more unffair for you since you have done a lot to contribute. It just feels like people took two random wagons just to have a lynch and a vig target. Even if you flip scum, I would say it was just a lucky guess.

This is exactly the shit I was talking about: you guys just like so much the smell of your own farts that it's impossible playing along with you. "I KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, THIS WAS ALL PLANNED ALONG!!1!ONE!1" Nicely done, A50

Fair enough Pin, but why not vote Mutant when the wagon built? He was clearly your favoured lynch, or so it seemed.

"Just to be clear: I don't think this "push a wagon till getting a claim" is the best strategy at all", said Pinturicchio, but nobody cared. I will be vigged today as it is the best for town, and I'm town, so now I don't like that strategy.

@Pin:

But then if we followed you and voted A50 then presumably that would also draw out a claim, so...

I'm voting for the player who I now think is the most probable scum of all; if you wanna follow, that's up to you. I'm playing my game now that I'm certainly a dead man walking.

This is Almost's ego finally reaching critical mass. I knew he wouldn't stay silent for too long, especially after he let Dino build it up to be shot Night one by the mafia instead of him.

Pintu, you also have to realize the Vigilante DOES have a mind of their own too. They may very well shoot someone elsa.

Sure, but Vig SHOULD shoot me, as it's better to shoot a VT claim than someone who could be a PR. It's the best for the team, and I'm going to fuck up the vig if he doesn't following the best for the team and trying to be the hero. The ONLY way I survive this is if 1. The JK REALLY thinks I'm town, which I really don't know, or 2. If we get 2 more claims, one of those gets lynched and the other looks scummier than me. I don't expect neither of those happening

Sorry Luca, I'm tired of this bullshit, not giving my thoughts again to not be useful as it had been the entire game. People like NSG and A50 comes from nowhere, starts a wagon without arguments and now I'm 99% dead. Want some quick thoughts? You are locktown, win the game for us and keep pushing those who are playing like shit.

I don't really know why I have to say this, but again: I wasn't voting for mutant, I was voting for Aneninen. Could you stop making assumptions that started off from a lie? Just lynch me already, you qill get more info from that than from A50 lying to get his "I KnEW YOu WeRe gOIng TO do ThaT!!1" gimmick

The lesson here is that I'm right about not being considered in this game. As A50 said in his first read list, "literally, WHO?"

Not gonna lie, this lynch feels wrong
But I just don't see other viable lynches right now with 3 days on the deadline
I guess A50 could be scum but we're not d1 lynching him
I'm pretty low on townreads :/

Why are "WE" not D1 lynching A50???? Because you say so? Because he's not expendable like me or Aneninen?? That's what's going on this game's D1 tbh. Just kill us already without trying to be sweet with us, if you want to play only with experienced players, don't let us in in the first place.

What?

A50 is a player I have a good record of sorting given time and flips. I can generally tell which players fall under that category. It has nothing to do with experience. I'd just as quickly say we're not d1 lynching Paradox.

Again, WE'RE not d1 lynching Paradox? Good for you if you can sort A50, I don't trust you and your reads as me being in this position is partly because of you. The possibility of you being scum with A50 and winning the game just by saying "hey trust me we are not lynching this guy on D1" is getting more and more plausible. What's going to happen tomorrow? What changes between D1 and D2 for A50? He automatically get's his role pasted on his forehead and it becomes obvious what his alignment is?

I'm tired of your leadership, it's full of manipulation and making the game go the way YOU want, but not the rest. Tired of "I know the best for town" vibe

One thing I find fun is after being accused of being on a scum motivated wagon Anen tries to wagon Mathdino.
Like I'm seeing less and less that I like. Fuck it I'm following this lead.
VOTE: Aneninen

He was not accused of being on a scum motivated wagon, the wagon started MUCH AFTER he placed his vote on Mutant. I'm really tired of people reading the fuck they want on this game. Gamma, if you don't trust A50, don't make the game easy for him voting the wagon he is trying to push without reasons.

ME WALLPOSTING? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOW MUCH FUCKING POSTS DO YOU HAVE IN THIS GAME, DINO????

You saying I make wallposts when the only really big post I made was full of spoiler tags is just the cherry of the cake of this game. Saying that the reason this game is mainly to wallposts and not because of your fucking lame 1v1 with Luca to see who has the longer dick is just painful, and the lack of posting of other people could be mainly because of neither wallposts and said 1v1, so could you make any good reads at all, Dino?
P-edit: apology accepted, still thinking the 1v1 was much more determinant

Actually I just want this day finished so I get vigged and look what A50 says when D2 comes. Spoiler alert: "whatever, he was the better option"
VOTE: Aneninen

You saying I make wallposts when the only really big post I made was full of spoiler tags is just the cherry of the cake of this game. Saying that the reason this game is mainly to wallposts and not because of your fucking lame 1v1 with Luca to see who has the longer dick is just painful, and the lack of posting of other people could be mainly because of neither wallposts and said 1v1, so could you make any good reads at all, Dino?
P-edit: apology accepted, still thinking the 1v1 was much more determinant

i neither started that nor insisted that anyone do anything more than skim that

every time that happened i actively asked to disengage

but then it became "yo mathdino is scum for dropping the conversation"

like obviously games are much better without 1v1s, i think the content of 1v1s is barely alignment indicative and should largely be skipped

Disengaging throwing shade in those posts is not disengaging at all, you knew Luca was going to reply to you. Don't try to sell me that shit. I tried to disengage that 1v1 telling Luca to back off, because you were clearly going to keep saying "smarter" shit

If Paradox or Creature claimed VT would you be saying they would have to be lynched at some point? Of course you wouldn't.

creature is just gonna get NK'd

paradox i guess is policyviggable, i wouldn't mind a vig there if he just claimed VT out of nowhere (which would be inherently scummy)

So now you're saying that you wouldn't mind to vig your locktown (as said by you)... I don't really know why the fuck I trusted you

The thing is, if you were townreading someone, there's no chance he would get to L-1 because "we are not lynching him today guys", so let's cut the hypothetical crap?

Well then, what are you waiting for. Jump on the wagon again, let's lynch Aneninen and if he flips town, the vig shoots Dino. If Aneninen flips scum, we follow the first plan and the vig shoots me.

You being scum is in no way conditional on Anen being scum, and obviously verbalising this plan is a bucket of WIFOM.

Do you believe you're never getting lynched given the circumstances?

I didn't understand a single thing of your post. I want this day to end and I'm persuading Luca to lynch Aneninen so we can go on. This has been an eternal dawn for me

Fuck it, I'm not following scum. A50 is pocketing Dino without even trying. Dino: "I'm starting to think that NSG could be scum. A50, what do you think?" - A50: "lynch NSG" - Dino: "Yeah, I agree". WHAT. THE ACTUAL. FUCK.
VOTE: Almost50

OK. So Dino wanted a readlist? Here are my final reads:

1. Mathdino (Town)
2. JaydragonKing (Scum)
3. Almost50 (Town, of course)
4. Luca Blight (Shitty Town)
5. northsidegal (Scum)
6. Creature (How is this still in the game?)
7. Pinturicchio (Shitty Town)
8. Aneninen (Town)
9. Gamma Emerald (Town)
10. TheGoldenParadox (80% Shitty Town, 20% Scum)
11. jmo16mla (Town_
12. mutantdevle (80% Scum, 20% Shitty Town)

Oh, so I went from "the best lynch today because you are clearly scum" to "shitty town"? Throw me some shade, sugar!

Does anyone here legitimately believe that I'm town and A50 is scum?

Because I'm telling you right now that out of anyone in this playerlist, town-me has by FAR the best shot at determining A50's alignment, and I'm saying he's town. If he's not, he's going to be incredibly easy to sort tomorrow.

You guys are utterly failing to understand his progression this game and are essentially proving correct the idea that it's better off to not show up in the thread at all.

The fact that no one sees that A50 and I have a legitimate argument for NSG being weird (and she is in fact posting in every game other than this one, I CHECKED) and that A50 is being explicitly wagoned for it is extremely concerning.

If anyone thinks A50 is scum you're gonna have to make a real nice case for an A50/Mathdino scumteam because you're not going to make a good case for "Mathdino is just fucking wrong about A50 here".

"town-me has by FAR the best shot at determining A50's alignment", "I have a legitimate argument for NSG being weird"... GTFO with your MVPness and accept you are wrong for one fucking time, as you were wrong jumping on Aneninen's and my wagon for no single reason at all

Or either. Man, fuck english

In today's premiere, we have Dino as Anakin Skywalker
Almost50 as Sheev Palpatine
Pin as Mace Windu

Come to the light side, Ani, and prevent shitty prequels

Also Jay as jmo as Jar Jar Binks

Oh, so I went from "the best lynch today because you are clearly scum" to "shitty town"? Throw me some shade, sugar!

Making sarcastic statements like this does basically nothing to convince anyone or advance the gamestate.

Not voting for obv!scum A50 neither

You want to turn this into a "I'm right" "No I'm right" argument?

Like jesus fuck dude this isn't being clever and this isn't adding anything to the discussion. No one has made a good argument for A50-scum yet.

It was a fucking joke. And I'm saying he's pocketing you, the loudest and manipulative town alive. You're Anakin, he's Palpatine. Why is that not enough argument for me believing he's scum?

It was a fucking joke. And I'm saying he's pocketing you, the loudest and manipulative town alive. You're Anakin, he's Palpatine. Why is that not enough argument for me believing he's scum?

Because you and Paradox aren't good at recognising pocketing.

Because you say so, right?

@Pintu: Would you be willing to be called "The Definition of Stupidity" once I flip? I know you think high of your game (almost everybody does) but you are not as good as you may think. Not even close. Nor even remotely close.

I SAY GIVE ME SOME SHADE, SUGAR

It was a fucking joke. And I'm saying he's pocketing you, the loudest and manipulative town alive. You're Anakin, he's Palpatine. Why is that not enough argument for me believing he's scum?

Because you and Paradox aren't good at recognising pocketing.

Because you say so, right?

Because I've pocketed Paradox before and he didn't recognise it at all, and now he thinks that me doing something reasonably different from that is actually pocketing.

And because you're fucking wrong on 2 counts.

If you're interested in improving, you own up to being wrong. If I'm wrong on A50, then yeah, I've learned something. But I'm not wrong here.

Um, I'm not wrong until I see the flip, thank you. Or do you alredy know what's he gonna flip because you are scum? *Shitty Dino argument*

Behaviour like this is essentially exactly why you're playing badly tbh.

Because you say so, right?

Calling pintu/Jay/NSG, outside chance of Luca and jmo.

Edit: pintu what are you planning on saying here if A50 and I both flip town?

I think you are town, stop saying the opposite. If A50 flips town, I will say I was wrong about the pocketing thing and I will move on, as any normal person would do. Or do you think I'm the kind of douchebag that would go and say "well this is Dino and A50's fault because yaddah yaddah"?? Nah, I know one or two guys who would do that here, but not me.

And may I just add that this emotional display essentially got Almost50 lynched instead of us 3 in the scum team who were

all

promising wagons day 1.

Do not underestimate Pintu.

Pintu

You have been holding out on us no?

Also appreciate the effort from Devle there

Just read Mutantdevle's ISO

Somewhat hesitant because the hydra seems pretty confident here

but this is town. There are a few posts that I just don't see coming from scum.

Somewhat hesitant because the hydra is confident here... So you think you and the hydra are same team, and you worry about their reaction when making your own reads? Are you a sheep oxy?

Okay. Explain how

How are you going to force people to explain when you don't?

jesus fucking christ

Are you spent Hydra? Karmas a harsh mistress.

[Alonzo]

@Heisenburg

I want you in the hundred club. Start posting.

[Alonzo]

@Heisenburg

I want you in the hundred club. Start posting.

Hello mister Alonzo.

About the emotional manipulation: look at the timeline. He (Mutant) started gutreading me as scum, then I asked the worst to be careful, then Mutant comes and talks about me being good at emotional manipulation. Do you see what I'm saying? He's building a case after thinking I'm scum, not before, so he's reaching as hell. I haven't manipulated anyone in this game, not even close of what I did in that scumgame. My posts directed at Duckling weren't game related, I just asked him to not make toxic posts because I don't like them.

Whats your view on the way this game so far has gone so far? Do you have any idea who could be my +1 in Worst/Hydra +1?

@alonzo yeah I'm a bit of a sheep. If I'm confidently town reading someone

and they have a good reason to confidently scum read someone else who I'm not confidently reading,

sheeping is a good option.

I was thinking about your bonafide reason for voting the worst. If I was to apply a similar logic across the game, I suspect I may have voted for him between 15-20 times right now!

So I'm really confused that you cant see that the Hydra cant be trusted.

[Alonzo]

playing mafia is about making reads you trust. all the shading on our slot is pretty funny, but unfortunately enough, i think you're just terrible town.

-kts

Well then I trust my read that your slot is gonna scummy as hell when it comes to the end of day pushes.

And If this is you being town... well we will have to discuss that after the game I guess. This is my first game with a hydra, I'm not seeing the correlation between play between the two heads at all here. well- apart from the opportunism present in you both.

Terrible Town. Love it. All you have is needle, and the ability to throw your hands up in a huff when people wont subscribe to your Bs.

Il quote this when I'm Obv scum later in the day.

Pedit *remebers to tone it down, passes it of as a flippant remark.

[Alonzo]

@alonzo
I don't understand.
You're saying that if you used my metric for voting the worst, you would have voted for the worst 15+ times by now

->Thus, I shouldn't trust the hydra.

I'm missing the connection between line 1 and line 2.

You seem to have higher tolerances for certain types of play, consider them Acceptable or Even townread them. -You want to death tunnel the duck for a RT reaction to a post of yours from 2-3 hundred posts ago. Thats your stance on a scumread I was pushing also for many RT reactions.

But honestly If Worst is a 7/10 D1 scumread for me, The hydra is at an 8.5 for frequent realtime slighting of Many slots. Thats my point.

So yeah my tolerance for the duck is obviously akin or greater than yours, but I only understand your trust of the hydra by how nice and polite they are when reaffirming you as their buddy.

[Alonzo]

Its hard to imagine any town trusting you pal

[Alonzo]

You should re read 1853 if you love bittersweet

[Alonzo]

I wouldn't touch that line with yours.
Feel free to post the mod if you think I have broken any rules

[Alonzo]

Thats fine.

Obviously from my Pov the appeal to emotion isnt just insincere but an attempt to tender pity from the others.

I dont doubt we will see every dirty trick in the game, I would expect no less.

Il find away to keep up my read with less of an effect on the thread, no problem. But i wont tolerate you getting emo with me constantly no.

Apologies for the spam. I try to have have fun and get to know, my fellows over the course of the game, and this is no exeption, i look forwards to future games with this bunch and hope we remember this game fondly.

Lets agree we have dual narratives and move on.

I assure you its still all fist bumps at the end of this one from me, theres no ill will personally from me to either you or eddy.

ITs a scum-read. Lets move on. Im not here to be toxic.


Lets go back to the part where i said 'why wont/aren't you voting the worst?'

And try again eh?

[Alonzo]

Link me in to the case on Ico and il have a look.

[Alonzo]

Hi, Mafia Rolecop here partners...second game as scum counting with my other completed/finished game in this same account...
...who should we annihilate/kill/smash tonight...?

You know what, I'm gonna keep policy lynching the scum claims.

VOTE: Fumuki

VOTE: Not_Mafia

For some reason I always end up scumreading these early votes on NM. It's such an easy place to start because in every game NM is considered a 'good' D1 lynch

I threw up in my mouth a little bit Quick is right!!

Town can be: me Quick Sando Fumuki for now

Pinkchurros what are you thinkin

I remember Quick being less serious in our last game together, although he replaced in there so I don't know how he plays at the start of a game, but him being so serious at an RVS state pings me (the whole Fuckyouandme situation seems odd)

I'm scumleaning mutant, meta reasons

I like you and Sando, with Oxy a little behind

Korina I don't where he at but he will be sorted

Miltank unsortable and seems that he's happy with that meta

I can't remember who else is playing

'scumleaning mutant for reasons that I shall not explain here'
'I don't have a read on Korina but I'll post that anyway'
'I don't have a read on NM but I'll post that anyway'

Yeah he seems town, but idk I'm not convinced yet

'Lets not get this town circle going to fast, shall we?'

VOTE: pintu

@ceej I'm done arguing with Oxy atm, Oxy/Sando have better chemistry. I like Oxy but we don't mesh well right now.

Oxy is still doing a lot of stuff that pings me but it's looking more inexperienced than independently scummy, his convo with Sando is towny for the most part. I'll bend to Sando's will and exempt him from my lynchpool for today

why not engage with him? You are scumreading him. Another players disagrees and you just begin ignoring him?

He's not a troll just an occasional minimalist.

This has gotta be one of my favourite descriptors ever

I hope, one day, this becomes my Title on this site.

'Occasional minimalist'.

Absolutely beautiful.

Also, that's not a naked vote. It's a pressure vote on mutant to explain my question on the previous page.

Are you guys worried I caught your scumbuddy?

Also, lol

Are you guys worried I caught your scumbuddy?

Pls, that would imply you've actually done something

So you are saying that you are not worried that I caught your scumbuddy?

the worst, did you try to pocket me with quoting that from Earthbound? Because it worked.

I've got some trouble figuring out my town reads this game, so



I'm opening applications for my town core right now.
Anyone can apply, all you have to do is say you want in the town core.

It's as simple as that.

Fixed broken image tag. - Math

Also, that's not a naked vote. It's a pressure vote on mutant to explain my question on the previous page.

I take it you missed my post earlier during the game where I said I have a policy to myself of answering any and all questions directed towards me? Like seriously dude I'm the last person you'd ever need to pressure vote because I don't need any pressure put on me to answer your questions.

Would you like to be in my town core?

Catching up and posting later today. Have an audit to work with as well, so today could be limited. More activity for sure from tomorrow on!

Shit I really like Icos Iso.

Stronger townread than the first read.

Iv never seen the #WeAreTooGoodForYou defence before but ok.

Its like... why cant you resist going in with the personals?

[Alonzo]

Why dont we play ICOs game and see what he thinks. you can reply twice if you like?

[Alonzo]

Quite a Firm stance, has it changed over the last half of the game?

[Alonzo]

600 post is a long time to wait for an answer =)

I get it.

[Alonzo]

I'm starting to come around to Alonzo!Town here.

but im so nub =(

[Alonzo]

I see leadership potential in Ico tho which makes me think scum would want him slayed today.

Like I said 'wolves' dont always draw scum slots.

Town need strong methodical thinkers in this one and he looks like he has those.

@ Sando

[Alonzo]

@ quick

thoughts on Ico

[Alonzo]

Im really nuetral on Ico, I hate to feel like that about slots.

Merely playing devils advocate.

[Alonzo]

Im really nuetral on Ico, I hate to feel like that about slots.

Merely playing devils advocate.

All due respect
Feeling entirely null about a player is a bad feeling

Town tend to post without holding back etc. etc. so you're more likely to TR or SR them.

KTS bleeds town, Eddie's boredom is highly townie. You unintentionally forced the hydra into a position where it was forced to faux AtE (I know scummy-af-AtE is a different thing just addrssing what has been suggested here)

Who's voting Ico now?

Agree- thats why I mentioned it. Next readthrough will be the third time, and i will have to choose. I want to Hear from the man himself.

3x TRs I'm fucking innnn

VOTE: Spyconeum

And I agree there needs to be more pressure on the slot to produce content.

I will lend a vote

Vote: Iconeum

awww

[Alonzo]

L-2??

[Alonzo]

Unvote

for a sec

whats the count?

[Alonzo]

Vote: Iconeum

Thats L2 (hopefully!)

Fixed broken tags. - Math

[Alonzo]

Hows the Computer Fix coming along

@RandomMidget?

[Alonzo]

Hows the Computer Fix coming along

@RandomMidget?

Give them like 3 days to catch up IMO.

Are hundred page day 1's normal for this forum?

[Alonzo]

@ Ico

Ithink you need to ISO me

[Alonzo]

I dont feel like we are getting much game solve from
@pinturrichio

[Alonzo]

I dont feel like we are getting much game solve from
@pinturrichio

Oh, glad to know you're not reading the thread!

Well I tried to read you but you seem distant here.

Further Investigations show you are much more interested in other games.

I am reading the thread. I'd like to see a few of these tinfoil hat theories of yours.

[Alonzo]

Unvote

Loan period has expired.

[Alonzo]

How are we feeling today Hydra?

[Alonzo]

wifi all fixed up now?

[Alonzo]

go back to sleep =)

[Alonzo]

Unless Ico and Devle (and worst!!) flip red.

In that instance... Teach me!

[Alonzo]

i am still here. not really feeling too well today, but i can offer that if ico flips town mutant and alonzo are spewed wolf.

I'm going with Alonzo as second most scummy regardless and most likely partner. What part of mutant says him being on Ico!town is particularly bad?

he never mentions ico in his iso but suddenly wants to hammer? thats always wolf motivated.

Ico is kind of all over mutant's ISO, and has always been a null - scum read for him.

I think hydra vs. mutant is probably tvt, and probably never svs.

So mutant is safe today in your eyes then oxy?

Where are you at if Ico's next post reeks of town?

[Alonzo]

Maybe.

I think its telling that a single/ couple of posts could reveal so much.

The worst is always gonna be a horrible Iso tho huh...

Il not tiptoe around the bush, I think you and I should lead that wagon on the duck meantime

[Alonzo]

Telling of the fact its not an equal chance that worst flips scum compared to Ico

[Alonzo]

Did you read any part of this thread mutant?

[Alonzo]

Midget sorry!!

I meant @Midget

Did you read any part of this thread?

[Alonzo]

all the M's rolled up at once

[Alonzo]

Everyone List?

[Alonzo]

Can someone update the final post count as described in post#0 ?

[Alonzo]

why is it lolhammer just because NM did it?

Maybe he has a strong Scumlean like the rest of this wagon?

[Alonzo]

Devle null town+

[Alonzo]

what a shocker, its an open setup with conf!town claims and u didn't wait for a claim

It's NM iirc I spoke about it at least once.......
If we're lucky we hsve a vig who is smart who can shoot him in the face. Tend to side with MOMO here, lolhammering with confirmable roles is bad.

Neither of you felt like unvoting when Midget gave intent to L1?

[Alonzo]

Hydra triggered

XD

some funny shit =)

[Alonzo]

Well Im out.

Was Nice meeting you all.

GG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GA-7J73Mbk

[Alonzo]

Did someone say beetlejuice?

[Alonzo]

So... I had TRs on both Duck and Ico...

What do people think of that?

Tw didn't start seeming townie to me til after I scumread him and he toned down his approach, as time went by my stance softened.

Ico was a terrible wagon from the start.

As I was trying to point out to @oxy

[Alonzo]

@Pintu

Who or what is making this game less enjoyable than your others?

[Alonzo]

@quick Why Sando?

@Sando Why Alonzo?

[Alonzo]

@Pintu

Who or what is making this game less enjoyable than your others?

Quick and Momomen's battle of who has the longer dick.

I cant argue that some of Momos posts are salty AF. Its not gotten better overnight apparently.

@quick Why Sando?

You judge logical type players based on their stances. His stances are not good IMO.

Agree.

[Alonzo]

Vote: Momo

I'm at a point Where IDRC if this flips town or not. Sad. Not how I usually like to play mafia but hey.

[Alonzo]

lol alonzo's a sick wolf if he is one. i don't want to hit there today.

ogi, but i just want to talk about. everyone here is a pretty sick person, and i'm really enjoying my time in the game. (trust me, you'd know if i wasn't :p.) i'm hoping that we can get more constructive content out of the day though and let everyone else reciprocate the same feelings i have. i think the meta of the site largely effects this. it's whatever, but i'm hoping to better cooperate with you guys.

as far as scumreads go, i sort of want to see where everyone is at. the thread is very opinionated and very different in reads, and that's always a good thing fyi. a town who is locked in at only a few people is a town destined to lose. scum will always have presence to make sure that these few people generally flip town. i think the way people (me included) are going about their pushes are a little awkward though. when making a push, please always use the mindset that you are going to be wrong, and that's okay. don't get stuck in your reads, and don't be afraid to reevaluate. with that said, please don't make pushes on people you're not scumreading for ogi reasons. @Quick, i'd like to work with you here, and me making passive aggressive comments isn't helping. you're obviously putting in a lot of effort, and i'd like that effort directed towards a similar goal we both share. obviously, you can do you, too.

@wolves, please focus on posting more and being moe affirmable in spreading doubt within the town. we town have a lot of presence right now and have already done well to lock a few people as town. spreading doubt in our reads and setting up mislynches will be beneficial for you as we enter endgame. please don't forget about the importance of day 1.

with that said, let's talk, alonzo. why do you think worst and us are scum? anyone who's tring ico or devle, share your opinions. we're not infallible. i just every1 to have an enjoyable game :p.

I said this felt Insincere, I stand by it.

[Alonzo]

@Sando Why Alonzo?

Because as stated yesterday you were my second most scummy going into night, nothing changed there.

That's also a terrible vote on Mom, Eddie aint wrong, especially his particulars.

So why are you handling me so different? Im now your number one scummer so vote me huh? And rally the troops to your cause...

[Alonzo]

You seemed Very assured Ico was Scummy, but not as assured as you seem about me.

I think your scumread on me is faked.

[Alonzo]

can confirm momos scumreads are at 25% or less if that helps?

[Alonzo]

can confirm momos scumreads are at 25% or less if that helps?

I KNOW somehow my dumb duckling ass is important??

Ceejay what are your thoughts on the game? Something interesting would be rad. I'll keep asking. :3

This was the worst's soft claim.

When did you find this?

[Alonzo]

Oh one last thing: are we not gonna judge Not Mafia for lolhammering just because he's Not Mafia? He lynched with no claim and our cop is dead now so we can't sort him with a PR

What a Duck.

Me and him are going to have words!

Words I tell you!

But no the reason I asked was It looks like a copy and paste from scumchat.

[Alonzo]

OMG, where do these random quotes keep coming from?

[Alonzo]

but as its there now...

RE Not-Maf

hmmmm. I get the impression for all his follys he is semi decent at this.

I feel like Towns probably carrying his ass rather than the scum.

[Alonzo]

But no the reason I asked was It looks like a copy and paste from scumchat.

Please explain this in detail.

Just seemed a strange point of entry Into D2 IMO.

Also seems strange you never mentioned his softclaim as part of your reasons to vote him yesterday.

[Alonzo]

I keep my Paranoia in overdrive when I re read mafia.

Why sheep Pintu?

This your way of commending him for his efforts to rally the troops?

[Alonzo]

Ahhh all my talk about making a bastard of the logic sando and you want to prejudice a debate that hasnt even taken place yet.

I suspect that you have only a thin read on town Worst and dont want me to puncture the bubble maybe, i dont really understand #646, i reread 523# but thats a bit of a trainwreck too.

Are you saying that im scum with Oxy? Or just scum alone?

Oh cool, you're saying you should be ignored, good to know.

I misunderstood What Sando was implying here, talking of me rather than too me, then burns me for not understanding.

You can ignore the first half, it's pointless.

vague.

Duckling was the complete opposite of vague there.

Gimme One more read? for the road

The basic thrust of the argument from what I can gather, that duckling is constantly asking/demanding reads whilst providing few of his own. That's a reasonable point, but it's lost in the wall-post.

I read Alonzo as town.

Alonzo Town, but dismissive attitude lingers.

Not-lynch - Duckling, quick, Fumu, Sando, Oxy

Would lynch - Pintu, Spartan, Alonzo, Ico, CJ, N_M, Korina

Unsure - mutant

Like...only my Oxy and Alonzo reads have changed, I've been pretty consistent here.

You seem awfully upset that I'm voting Oxy...

My status shifts.. No case or push tho...

How on earth is Oxy the Scummiest person in the game when you have:
duck

NM
Spartan slot
Pin
Korina

This is also why I think this whole "zomg your TR is shit" thing is so stupid. There's 4 people right there that we agree should live in the lynch list, but you two would rather bang on for 10 pages about how one of my TRs might be wrong.

We should come back to this topic...

NEVER EVER LYNCH:
quick, the worst

town: korina fumuki sando pinto

unsorted: random, not mafia

scum: devle, ceejay, alonzo, ice

Which one are you?

What's with Korina, where dat from?
What's with Alonzo, where dat from?

Have you fully caught up or is dis still half the game reads?

Now questioning why someone else wants to SR me.. looking for a way in..

Notice how the hydra stops when im around?

That flip to eddie, the sudden list and long heartfelt speech, that didnt ring any alarm bells with you guys last night?

No that in particular, but I think there's scum in you two based on the last few pages...I just lean on it being you right about now.

Again no elaboration, nor vote, Just broadcasting.

Quick

is obv!town

Duckling, Oxy, Mutant, Mom

I tend to read as a variety of strength of townleans, but they're contributing in generally townie ways and should not be today's lynch. Duckling is my strongest TR there, then Oxy, mutant and Mom bringing up the rear.

PK and CJ

I'm a very light townlean on, but they're not contributing a lot in townie ways so they're not in my non-lynch pool yet, I think they're a poor choice though.

Random and N_M

I scumlean on but there's not nearly enough for me to judge definitively.

Pintu

I scumlean on due to lack of constructive posting.

Alonzo

I'm currently fairly scumleaning on, I've flipped on this a few times so I'm currently mulling this one over.

Ico

I fairly definitively scumread.

Very safe set of reads given. Opportunely still cant make his mind up as to why Im ever scum here but better broadcast it again

I'm going to bed, got a new gig tomorrow so gotta be sharp. Some thoughts:

a) Oxy's "case" was indeed pretty terrible
b) Duckling response struck me as "jesus dude, THIS is the town I've gotta deal with?!" - but then maybe I'm looking for that since it was my response to Quick. It did seem out of character from duckling though.
c) Pintu's "dun be toxic" is fine in isolation, but given some of the shade thrown around this game, I find it odd that this was what he decided needed attention
d) The overly placating (ok this is the wrong term, but he's kid-gloving duckling here) tone from Pintu strikes me as very odd as well
e) In light of mutants posts (and this is why I want to keep this fella around), Pintu is clearly capable of the level of toxicity he's accusing duckling of, which to be fair is not very high toxicity.

Overall, while I didn't like Ducklings response on a scummy scale, I'm probably biased from my Quick interactions which I felt were fairly similar so I'm not giving much AI points for it.

Pintu's reaction here really does not sit well for me, the effort put in not to actually make a judgement either way while also throwing toxicity charge at Duckling and nicely sneaking in the "this is Oxy's first real game" comment there...

Oxy was town making a bad case imo.

One of many cases of Sando actually being able to give reads... wheres my minority report huh?

Nope, he's my top scummer. If anything he's gone up in scumminess for me, but also that's because some of my other reads have gone down in scumminess leaving him alone in the deep end of the scummy pool.

ITS OK TO VOTE FOR ICO EVERYBODY!

I see leadership potential in Ico tho which makes me think scum would want him slayed today.

Like I said 'wolves' dont always draw scum slots.

Town need strong methodical thinkers in this one and he looks like he has those.

@ Sando

What is this? Scum would want a good player lynched and therefore want Ico lynched and therefore wanting Ico lynched is scummy?

So basically wanting any "good" player (by what metric?) lynched is evidence of scumminess?

Nice shade without addressing the content or even actually stating that you disagree about scumminess there though, noted.

OMGUS - outta nowhere.

How very dare I indeed.

i am still here. not really feeling too well today, but i can offer that if ico flips town mutant and alonzo are spewed wolf.

I'm going with Alonzo as second most scummy regardless and most likely partner. What part of mutant says him being on Ico!town is particularly bad?

Still happy to be part of the Alonzo!scum chatter despite offering jack shit.

Mom's tunnel on mutant screams bad T, but he's removed the vote so I'll assume reaction test sort of thing and ignore the bad part.

pint random alonzo {your pick of a deepwolf or pk} would make sense to me.

I'm still keen on Alonzo, Random pings me but I haven't delved in there. Other than the Ico wagon, what's the goss on Pint?

Still dont have a case on alonzo....

@Sando Why Alonzo?

Because as stated yesterday you were my second most scummy going into night, nothing changed there.

That's also a terrible vote on Mom, Eddie aint wrong, especially his particulars.

Nothing changed? Noting existed in the first place. You havn't made a single case against me yet. I shot to second scummiest without explanation. Your closest thing to a read is 'cant decide'

The Vote is solid. Make No mistake about that. You are blatantly defending Momo, when he consistently refuses to soften his attitude.
Moving to stop other players moving onto his wagon.

@Sando Why Alonzo?

Because as stated yesterday you were my second most scummy going into night, nothing changed there.

That's also a terrible vote on Mom, Eddie aint wrong, especially his particulars.

So why are you handling me so different? Im now your number one scummer so vote me huh? And rally the troops to your cause...

Different from what? How I was on Ico at the end of Day 1, or different from how I was at the start of Day 1? The day has been open for like 6 hours, don't stress, there's plenty of time to lynch you yet.

Does rallying the troops to my cause strike you as a thing that I do, especially early in the day?

Infact Hes openly saying he would lynch me without ever having given a set of examples of me doing anything thats scummy in this game.

Thats what I'd say if u asked me about Sando

[Alonzo]

Uh, yeah? I want to townread you both, I don't care what you think about each other, I want to sort the rest.

Righto, townread me at your leisure! Re-read Alonzo+Quick last few pages today with the assumption that:

Sando is town and thinks Quick is terrible-town

. Read my interaction from 1603 to 1607. Notice the:
a) Basically sheeps Quick, he provides basically zero justification for calling me scum beyond it "feels" different to my Ico push,
b) Doesn't actually back it up when I push back and,
c) Only soft-calls me scum by saying my read is fake.

To me this strikes me as a planned "sheep Quicks bad SR on Sando day2", thoughts?

a)I Aint sheepin nobody.
b)Is this semantics again?
c)Your read is faker than Michael Jacksons Nose on Pamela Andersons Left titty.

So by All means continue to conspire Sando I'm gagging to hear the others thoughts on me.

Back to you Wolfman.

[Alonzo]

I'm not going to get into a wallpost war, points get lost way too easily and it just comes off as impossible for anyone else to read. So:

a) You think 649 is my first mention of you and 673 my first read? Nope. 360 I confirm you're in my would-lynch list. 400 I outright list you in would-lynch. 626 I call your catchup fine but your conclusion terrible. And in 646 I laugh at you asking for my reasoning for TRing duckling when I'd only recently had the conversation with Oxy which you had clearly either ignored or missed. To take 649 without the context of 646 is just terrible from you, let alone ignoring everything I'd said on you before.
b) My reads on you went from would-lynch for lack of town-content, to scumlean for your catchup, to town-lean for your push on duckling, back to scumlean by the end of day for your pathetic arguments subsequent to that.
c) You still haven't voted me, bring it on or stfu.

Back to you Wolfman.

So why are you handling me so different?

Im now your number one scummer so vote me huh?

And rally the troops to your cause...

How about follow your own advice maybe?

d) These are hilarious together:

Now questioning why someone else wants to SR me.. looking for a way in..

@quick Why Sando?

You're bad at this and you should feel bad.

VOTE: Alonzo

A little reaction test on Quick to make sure hes not shitposting. End of the Day its my Townblock, and quick only has a toe in the door so far.

Sadly Momo doesn't play well with others and will likely consume my vote indefinately.

And FYI Sando, your only a null scum+ currently, dont act like this is end of days.

[Alonzo]

@ Quick Which players here have you played games with before this one?

[Alonzo]

Sadly Momo doesn't play well with others and will likely consume my vote indefinately.

And FYI Sando, your only a null scum+ currently, dont act like this is end of days.

This screams BS to me, you're soft calling for a policy lynch on Momo yet using that as justification for me not being the top scummer.

I'm at a point Where IDRC if this flips town or not. Sad. Not how I usually like to play mafia but hey.

This does not scream "Mom is my top scummer" pick, yet you're voting Mom and seemingly using this as an excuse not to vote me since he's seemingly the only person you mention other than me.

Right. But niether of my arguements is deceptive. I just dont have enough votes to go round.

[Alonzo]

I've played with:

pinturicchio
pisskop (first game ever on site and no more)
ceejayvinoya
Both heads of Momo
And I've played with Korina and NM as well.

Scum knows you. IMO

[Alonzo]

@ quick more precisely scum knew you before momo joined.

@Momo is displaying classic scumtells to me, theyre all over the place... but we should have gone after ;This is my second game on site' line from fumaki if we want a solid enought reason, on top of momos play , to completely annihalate that slot guilt free. That whole slot reeks of lame, worse than shits dying breath.

@Sando If quicks cooking up a wall quicks cooking up a wall, i dunno what hes gonna say yet.
But I do believe he can probably make a case against you , so I take him at his word that he will. Then when it gets here it will go through scrutineering just like any and all other posts.

[Alonzo]

I've played with:

pinturicchio
pisskop (first game ever on site and no more)
ceejayvinoya
Both heads of Momo
And I've played with Korina and NM as well.

Scum knows you. IMO

The two of you have alot more interactions to look at than between you and I .

pretty sure ' Shhh, adults are talking' will be in the latter part of that wall.

--pedit.. yeah like i said

[Alonzo]

I've played with:

pinturicchio
pisskop (first game ever on site and no more)
ceejayvinoya
Both heads of Momo
And I've played with Korina and NM as well.

Scum knows you. IMO

The two of you have alot more interactions to look at than between you and I .

pretty sure ' Shhh, adults are talking' will be in the latter part of that wall.

--pedit.. yeah like i said

@ #1665

[Alonzo]

You all need to learn to play nice with one another.

The insults have been cringe worthy all game.

Right.

But which Factions stands to benefit more from the chaos?

Which is why we need to make a stand now.

And the standoffish need to decide which side of the fence they sit on with the issue.

[Alonzo]

I do wanna hear those raisins tho quick.

[Alonzo]

Cos Im scummy if you dont give them!

And that shit wont fly!!

[Alonzo]

In fact Quick , I dont want that list now, save it, keep it 24 hours, read it again. Take all the salty shit out from Sandos needling, then post it.

And you can be in my townblock.

[Alonzo]

your case on sando.

[Alonzo]

salt free

[Alonzo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX7Xm71OnXU

[Alonzo]

your case on sando.

Most of my reasons can be found in what I said earlier if you ISO me.. but I suppose I can try and do a case out of it sometime this day phase.

That'd be Grand.

[Alonzo]

Thats mostly not what happened.

You spent the entirety of your D1 and so far D2 scumreading me without reason, I'v called you out on it, i'v walled multiple posts that highlight you refusing to scumread me.

Now you are trying to claim im scum , because Quick cant Instanly produce a wall from thin air ??

Your vote reeks of chainsaw, your turn of phrase and attitute are not helping town

Posts like #1692 are just designed to completely whitewash any progress that was actually made on the last 4 pages into a summary that fits your narrative

My Case on you is entirely Independant from Quicks case on you.



I will be as critical of Quick as anyone if he fails to Produce, but hes gonna produce.

[Alonzo]

do you have a post link to your point 2?

[Alonzo]

and 3 plz, i can justify the points about any of my play at all times.

Its just the bits that relate to you im hazy on.

In fact just copy paste that whole list and add post tags.

I'v nothing to hide

[Alonzo]

Yeah, so chronologically you are spot on, but I think you have mis-understood / overlooked some of the points and reasons for these posts.

[Alonzo]

Quick why sando? Didn't quick virtually naked vote you at the start of the day? Of course I'm gonna ask him to back that up.

Point 2 I was referring to one of the points pulled up in my wall, that you SR'd me, but went after another player for placing me as a scumlean in their readlist.
You have since explained that your read on me has ebbed and flowed over the game which im fine with. - And would suggest you changed your stance on me in the meantime without broadcasting it like you do almost everytime you have a scumlean on me. So you basically scumread me whilst I'm afk or not sheeping your pushes? more scum confirmation from my POV.

3) so now we know 1 and two aren't as evil as they seem, im curious about the language you use to describe what happens.
As I have proven, my reads are you are entirely based on interactions of ours over the course of the game, I didnt need to wait for quicks read to put a few personal thoughts on why I dont have you as a townlean.
And again to emphasise the point that the goal of this is to get info out of quick as well.

4) Yes. Im testing quick.
5) Kicks the can down the road? Again this is dialect but im assuming its negative. You are asking me a question about what quick is thinking? I dont know what quick is thinking till he makes his case?
The second line of my post there 'it will go through scrutineering like every other post' How can I be fairer or more genuine than that? Literally at a loss to how you can accuse me of not being genuine.

6/7) Let me see the reads first. Quick offered to put me in his townblock, I declined and made a counter offer. But then I thought, u know what, I dont want more salty content either(Also in response to oxys post) so I'd rather he gave that in time and articulates exactly what he means in his arguements, free of salt. And you can believe Im gonna want those reads. And you have my word I will scrutinise those reads.
Plus its fairly obv Momos is waiting with dagger drawn for quick to post , so this is gonna be a huge effort from quick reguardless of alignment

So yeah. All gamesolve from me. I welcome you to continue your push on me but as you can see I have my own reasons for my own read. Im not just outhere broadcasting reads like'hey alonzo might be scum' 'alonzo is X andY'
Alonzo is at the bottom of my readlist for a week without explanation'

Everyone else townreads you sando, but you have made it superhard for me to townread you in this one.

Your vote and push is Pitiful. And now you have opened pandoras box, expect to reap all the rewards.

[Alonzo]

I would like to hear more from the quieter players now if im honest.

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