Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[Toranaga]

will kill:
{gamma, koki, theta, toog}

I'll ISO this tonight

[Toranaga]

gamma made 322 posts

oh boy

[Toranaga]

FA, check #205 by titus. I find the flat out assumption that scum coordinated their votes to you strange. also her entire ISO is just these mechanical talking points that aren't solid towny thoughts.

Hi. I don't think we've met. I'm the queen of votes and mechanics. I detest d1 because there is little of either. D1 is people trying to puff up themselves.

Oh we finally get the reasoning for this
thank fuck

gamma, was this sarcasm?

[Toranaga]

I'll act as a second flavour mod since someone used a post restriction power on me that forces me to have to post a youtube vid in each post. It's rather obnoxious so I'll probably just make empty flavour posts.

VOTE: Katsuki
This is both impossible/a lie and a scum-motivated post

how was this a scum motivated post?

[Toranaga]

man creature's ISO is so bad

[Toranaga]

but how many of them are saying things y'know?

almost nothing on d1

I'll have to read gamma again when I'm not tired

[Toranaga]

theta wanting to blow herself up is pretty villagery

[Toranaga]

VOTE: creature

[Toranaga]

toogeloo actually feels like town in many posts and bbmolla wasn't wolfy despite voting titus for leader

kokichi and katsuki didnt do anything readable IMO

gamma actually feels like a wolf early on but I lost motivation to keep reading

creature is in his scum meta and HS was wolfy

so maybe we go there

[Toranaga]

I don't trust mathblade's reads, I'm not going to follow them and suggest everyone to follow their instincts instead of what some loud town captain keeps repeating

[Toranaga]

I've ISO'd toogeloo and I'm fairly confident it's town

his titus read seems genuine, he attached himself hard with someone that was doomed to eventually flip after d1, and his behaviour this gameday is absolutely genuine and never something I ever saw a wolf do well. he is doing the self voting sacrifice routine with some of the most genuine tone I've come across this game. it shouldn't be the lynch just because it defended titus. shiro defended titus. cerb defended titus.

his FA read is fine, too. probably wrong, but not bad.

[Toranaga]

I don't trust mathblade's reads, I'm not going to follow them and suggest everyone to follow their instincts instead of what some loud town captain keeps repeating

Spoiler: notes

123456789 (4): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus
zMuffinMan (4): BBmolla, Katsuki, Frozen Angel, Nancy Drew 39

Human Sequencer ZzMuffin Up Nancy Down

123456789 (6): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu

Titus (3): 123456789, Gamma Emerald, Ankamius

Shiro (2): Toranaga, the worst
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, Nancy Drew 39

Katsuki and Nos review for bussing

123456789 (7): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Ankamius

Titus (5): 123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel, hebichan

Shiro (2): Toranaga, the worst
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, Nancy Drew 39

Hebi down, Ank closes bus window or starts race

123456789 (8): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Nancy Drew 39, the worst

Titus (6): 123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel, hebichan, Ankamius


Bus race not likely when Ank swaps wagons closer to EoD, Sando possible bus

Drixx (3): Sakura Hana, hebichan, zMuffinMan
Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald



zMuffinMan (4): Sando, the worst, BBmolla, MathBlade

Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

Shiro (2): Sakura Hana, hebichan

zMuffinMan (3): Sando, the worst, BBmolla


Drixx (3): Sakura Hana, Sando, Katsuki
Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald
zMuffinMan (3): the worst, BBmolla, MathBlade


Myloninja13 (3): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst
Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

Drixx (2): Sando, Katsuki
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, MathBlade

Myloninja13 (5): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, Creature, hebichan

Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

Drixx (2): Sando, Katsuki
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, MathBlade


Myloninja13 (9): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, hebichan, Kokichi Oma, Shiro, Toranaga, Nancy Drew 39, Creature

Sando (5): Nosferatu, Gamma Emerald, Frozen Angel, Titus, Ankamius

zMuffinMan (3): BBmolla, MathBlade, Drixx


Looking at the Sando wagon, it is nearly universally town. Zmuffin in it's iterations is largely unknown. Drixx is a lightning rod with all sorts of players voting him. Reads more like people wouldn't mind lynching him than players viewing him as scum.

VOTE: Sando

Sakura and zmuffin are likely town due to their early votes on Numbers. Don't vote them until lylo plus 2 unless they get toxic. Yet zmuffin recurrs as a wagon. It's almost like town lets scum wagon the smart people.

My focus today would be on Sando, the worst, bb slit and Math. Lynching a lurker over Sando gives more red flags for Sando.

Don't lynch Sakura, zmuffin

Toranga Nancy Creature should have scum if Sando is scum

What do you make of the bolded? It reads like Titus is spewing Sando, you, me and Creature.

it's not relevant and it's not spewing anything

[Toranaga]

TBFH I'm just worry we're going to no lynch because math TvTs me because I vote mylo and you TvT me for voting muffin and I'm sitting here having no good read on either.

It's a really annoying position to be in because I really, really just want to lynch titus.

Also- I'm voting for FA tonight.

Oh, Math TvTing again lol

[Toranaga]

creature's ISO is literally the wolfiest thing I've read this year

[Toranaga]

creature's ISO is literally the wolfiest thing I've read this year

How do you feel about Math hard town reading that?

the only reason I have to townread math is that they were sure shiro was scum and was faking contact with cerb. I think scum!math, knowing the contact is real, wouldn't think of pushing that angle.

math being likely wrong on most things isn't really AI.

[Toranaga]

I don't trust mathblade's reads, I'm not going to follow them and suggest everyone to follow their instincts instead of what some loud town captain keeps repeating

Spoiler: notes

123456789 (4): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus
zMuffinMan (4): BBmolla, Katsuki, Frozen Angel, Nancy Drew 39

Human Sequencer ZzMuffin Up Nancy Down

123456789 (6): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu

Titus (3): 123456789, Gamma Emerald, Ankamius

Shiro (2): Toranaga, the worst
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, Nancy Drew 39

Katsuki and Nos review for bussing

123456789 (7): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Ankamius

Titus (5): 123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel, hebichan

Shiro (2): Toranaga, the worst
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, Nancy Drew 39

Hebi down, Ank closes bus window or starts race

123456789 (8): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Nancy Drew 39, the worst

Titus (6): 123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel, hebichan, Ankamius


Bus race not likely when Ank swaps wagons closer to EoD, Sando possible bus

Drixx (3): Sakura Hana, hebichan, zMuffinMan
Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald



zMuffinMan (4): Sando, the worst, BBmolla, MathBlade

Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

Shiro (2): Sakura Hana, hebichan

zMuffinMan (3): Sando, the worst, BBmolla


Drixx (3): Sakura Hana, Sando, Katsuki
Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald
zMuffinMan (3): the worst, BBmolla, MathBlade


Myloninja13 (3): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst
Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

Drixx (2): Sando, Katsuki
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, MathBlade

Myloninja13 (5): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, Creature, hebichan

Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

Drixx (2): Sando, Katsuki
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, MathBlade


Myloninja13 (9): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, hebichan, Kokichi Oma, Shiro, Toranaga, Nancy Drew 39, Creature

Sando (5): Nosferatu, Gamma Emerald, Frozen Angel, Titus, Ankamius

zMuffinMan (3): BBmolla, MathBlade, Drixx


Looking at the Sando wagon, it is nearly universally town. Zmuffin in it's iterations is largely unknown. Drixx is a lightning rod with all sorts of players voting him. Reads more like people wouldn't mind lynching him than players viewing him as scum.

VOTE: Sando

Sakura and zmuffin are likely town due to their early votes on Numbers. Don't vote them until lylo plus 2 unless they get toxic. Yet zmuffin recurrs as a wagon. It's almost like town lets scum wagon the smart people.

My focus today would be on Sando, the worst, bb slit and Math. Lynching a lurker over Sando gives more red flags for Sando.

Don't lynch Sakura, zmuffin

Toranga Nancy Creature should have scum if Sando is scum

What do you make of the bolded? It reads like Titus is spewing Sando, you, me and Creature.

it's not relevant and it's not spewing anything

What makes you so sure about that and why those 4 names in that particular context?

I'm not titus to answer this and I'd rather read the players themselves to determine their alignments. creature is wolfy and there isn't a goddamn thing titus can do this game to convince me she spewed him any other way.

[Toranaga]

[quote="In post 8343
Poor Math. XD[/quote]
they're fine. but the way they're seeing the game and the stuff they're pushing is pretty unlikely to be good reads.

math sees the game too mechanically. toogeloo started a counterwagon to a wolf he was townreading, and that mistake is the basis for the whole scumread. he is also conditionally clearing creature for nothing creature did, but rather because titus pushed and voted him when he was the only available counterwagon.

that creature is up the neck on his scum meta is irrelevant for math, but it should not be irrelevant to us.

just go read creature's ISO. it's empty. this can't live because of whatever math thinks.

[Toranaga]

yeah toog is definitly not obvious town and his read on me makes absolutely no sense what so ever

what motive does he have as scum to announce a gut scumread on you after self voting? I'm troubled that you're not seeing past the scumread.

[Toranaga]

do you think toogeloo is more likely mafia than creature, FA?

[Toranaga]

he claimed he voted nosferuta as leader for day 2? or 3 the day he replaced in and nosferatu was not in the readlist he claimed he got by isoing the scum flip. how is that even making any sense to just give leadership you have no read on instead of going with announced town plan or giving it to a townread of yours?

"I voted for Nosferatu last night to be leader. I voted for him entirely on the basis of being someone I know and him being on the scum lynch and off the town lynch only. I have not read anything else in the game outside of the rules, vote counts, and those two ISOs." how is that unreasonable or scum indicative?

His today is pure "hey I want to get lynched so don't lynch me" bullshit. He promised yesterday that he will read the entire game if titus was flipping scum and (I don't expect him to read all the game) this is the best he affords to do

I'm reading it quite differently but that's gonna be a matter of opinion.

but ok, I don't think your read is baseless. do you agree with math that creature is spewed town because of titus, and what's your read on creature?

[Toranaga]

and yeah he tried his best to make us feel bad about lynching titus without adding anything valuable in defense of her. I was rereading those posts yesterday.

how does any of that making any sense to you as genuine content?

I can follow why he thought titus and 1-9 weren't wolfing together. that wasn't invaluable content. he actually ISO'd 1-9 and posted a bunch of stuff he thought cleared her. he was also not particularly scumreading titus and thought her being elected d2 wasn't scum indicative. those are all fair stances to have, they just happen to be wrong.

[Toranaga]

yeah toog is definitly not obvious town and his read on me makes absolutely no sense what so ever

what motive does he have as scum to announce a gut scumread on you after self voting? I'm troubled that you're not seeing past the scumread.

he wants to appear solving and doing things. He is failing to back up his read or to even start discussing it in directly unshady manner and he just dodges the attention by saying "o you saw how fa reacted?" and stuff like that. if he truely wanted to solve the game he would start isoing titus or something or he would iso me if he was so concerned. what he said there was 100% surface level pure garbage

All of his reads are associative. I think his dying senseless push on you reads kind’ve manipulative to me. Maybe he was hoping to make you the counterwagon? Irrespective of alignment, it’s really scummy play on his part.

"irrespective of alignment, it's really scummy play", say what again?

and how is toogeloo ever managing to get FA as a counterwagon? nobody even scumreads her, yes?

[Toranaga]

I'm misclearing nancy ain't I

[Toranaga]

so you speculate that his scum motivation on saying he gut wolfreads FA is so that FA can become a counterwagon, when you basically agree with me he could never succeed in doing so and he never pushed that read in any direction that would even suggest he was trying to do that. this is just randomly assigning scum motivation to toogeloo's posts. of course no scum would be silly enough to think they can create a frozen angel counterwagon today.

[Toranaga]

if he is a wolf his play isn't anti town, yes? he is only being anti-town if he is town. and you just said "scummy", which literally means indicative of scum, and not anti-town. and yes both are nonsensical stances to have so I don't agree with them.

[Toranaga]

do the guy a favour and lynch him, then

but if it flips green, I want you folks to read nancy's ISO. it doesn't look great to me.

and this here just felt a lot like TMI that toogeloo is town. both the "scummy irrespective of alignment" and "anti-town" comments are suggesting to me that nancy knows or thinks that toogeloo is town.

[Toranaga]

if toogeloo is town lynch creature, kokichi uma and nancy drew

[Toranaga]

"I voted for Nosferatu last night to be leader. I voted for him entirely on the basis of being someone I know and him being on the scum lynch and off the town lynch only. I have not read anything else in the game outside of the rules, vote counts, and those two ISOs." how is that unreasonable or scum indicative?

he had a readlist in same post and nos was not there Why would anyone vote someone completely random as leader and to not even follow a proposed plan that was the last posts of the previous day but not even doing it based on his own readlist

cause nos wasn't an associative read he made while ISOing 1-9, but he personally thinks nos is a good player, he likes him, and thought nos voting 1-9 over titus looked good enough to cast a leader vote there. none of that is unreasonable to me but alas.

[Toranaga]

Hey Tor, will you be on for like 30 mins?

maybe not

why is that?

[Toranaga]

do you agree with math that creature is spewed town because of titus, and what's your read on creature?

I think it looks slightly good for creature that titus was going to make that counterwagon yeah. I must reiso creature I think. What I said about him yesterday is how I'm currently looking at him - still

titus did not make creature a counterwagon. she simply voted there after I did, when she just posted that she scumreads creature. a player who is deep into his scum meta and every wolf knows is gonna flip sooner or later.

[Toranaga]

then why nos was not in his readlist? where is all this logic coming from? where did toog state any of this?

well why don't you read his post?

Hey all. I told the mod that there was no way I was going to read 153 pages, but I at least did a little bit of skimming. I skimmed through the ISOs of both my predecessor and the lynched scum player, and looked at several vote counts through the two days. I skimmed my predecessor only because I wanted to know what he was taking stances on, but it was a fairly small ISO. I disagree with his Muffin read, and that was all I really got out of it.

I made a small list of players I thought were town based on the ISO of 123456789, and added increased confidence based on who chose to pursue his lynch. I also cross referenced how many times 123456789 talked to the various players, and which players he tended to be dismissive of and which players he constantly tried to throw shade on.

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It's a small list to start... I'd say I really only put maybe 30 minutes into it, but this is what I have so far...

TOWN
(High Confidence)
Titus
Frozen Angel
Cerberus v666
brassherald
Nancy Drew 39
zMuffinMan

---
(Mid Confidence)
Gamma Emerald
Ankamius


POTENTIAL SCUM
Sando
Drixx

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Anyone that is High Confidence was due to there push on 123456789 or his push on them before any sort of momentum had started on him. Mid Confidence was due to a few minor things that I picked up, mostly just the way he would shade these players, but not enough to feel confident about the reads.

The Potential Scum list is two people I feel 123456789 ignored despite strong feeling from other players on those slots. He is found quoting other people in regards to these possible scum reads of mine, but they tend to be very dismissive. Since it's more likely for scum to ignore their team than engage them, I felt these two players were possibly buddies.

As a warning, I put very little effort into my list, but I feel as though it's at least a good basis for me to start formulating reads going into Day 3. Now, with that being said, Ank is dead so I don't have to worry about his slot, and I've been seeing people say Titus is Cop Guilty (color me a bit surprised considering the interactions between Titus and 123456789).

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I voted for Nosferatu last night to be leader. I voted for him entirely on the basis of being someone I know and him being on the scum lynch and off the town lynch only. I have not read anything else in the game outside of the rules, vote counts, and those two ISOs.

I'm not the type of player who likes high post count games, but I wanted to help Dream out since he reached out to me specifically. I humbly ask that maybe we slow down the spam a bit as to not have me go through 10-15 pages every time I need to catch up.

he explains very clearly the same things I just explained to you. his reads list are based off interactions between 1-9 and other players, which I'm guessing doesn't contain nosferatu; and he voted nos anyway because he knows him and nos was on 1-9. that's a fair reason if I've ever seen one.

[Toranaga]

if he is a wolf his play isn't anti town, yes? he is only being anti-town if he is town. and you just said "scummy", which literally means indicative of scum, and not anti-town. and yes both are nonsensical stances to have so I don't agree with them.

You are completely misconstruing what I said.

I'm not

@FA: are you reading my interaction with nancy here?

[Toranaga]

I have no objection with seeing creature dead tbh. Looking at his iso this is not at all like his town game. I still think there is this chance that such judgement of meta is wrong

yes there's a chance creature is town and just playing very scummy. you agree he is objectively wolfy, right? regardless of whatever meta we have on the player, if anyone sees an ISO like creature's they'd wanna see creature dead.

[Toranaga]

those drixx posts are pretty horrible yeah

[Toranaga]

gamma can also probably die

[Toranaga]

none of what you say is an answer to why I think you might be TMI slipping toogeloo!town here and need to die if he is indeed town, nancy

I'll just ignore your response cause it's too much strawmanning me. anyone can ignore and disagree with everything I do and say and that doesn't make them scum, of course. I never scumread you for disagreeing.

also have you read toogeloo yourself or are you just going to coast and comment on the work other people are making?

[Toranaga]

if he is a wolf his play isn't anti town, yes? he is only being anti-town if he is town. and you just said "scummy", which literally means indicative of scum, and not anti-town. and yes both are nonsensical stances to have so I don't agree with them.

This is literally the silliest thing I have read this morning.

Scum can be anti town by definition. Scum can be scummy by definition.

Like this is stupid. It feels like you’re attacking anyone you can at this point.

scum isn't being anti-town when they self vote and roll over and die, math.

I like how nancy came back to answer to me 3 other times after I went to bed, instead of doing anything resembling solving the game.

[Toranaga]

Yeah, im 100% sure scum!Titus would tell me Creature is town because she has a non busing meta, mhm.

Like she got real annoyed by the fact that I thought she was busing.

except she bussed numbers d1, we have already established :-/

Bussing two buddies in a setup where established town has access to a shit ton of BP would be imho literal suicide.

if creature is scum, please do me a favour and never post anything with any confidence again in this game. you were already very loud and very wrong about shiro, and by the way creature is posting you're probably wrong about him as well. I'm not gonna let town captain throw so if creature is a wolf you're just going to stop posting like you know anything, alright?

[Toranaga]

notice that mathblade's townread of creature has nothing to do with anything creature posted this game and it's all associative reading titus when titus had absolutely no control over who we counterwagoned

[Toranaga]

btw nancy where are you trying to solve the game? you're not reading anything and just going with the flow in commentary mode. it looks bad to me.

[Toranaga]

Speaking of.
I recall that yesterday at some point I thought Titus was town coz she gave powers to town and not to scum as the leash forced her to do so, Math argued that this is Titus trying to be townread or get in the townbloc. In addition to that Titus was confirmed to have precognition by Math.
Now apparently the logic that Creature is scum leads to the complete opposite when we already knew Titus was scum and telling the truth, and even according to Titus wanting to be "confirmed by Ank" would imply Ank did get a power (but scum killed Shiro anyway so we dont know).

So Titus isnt gamethrowing but apparently gave power to town ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and got lynched anyway.
Why wouldnt scum!Titus bus creature in an effort to make creature look townier as she was going down?

+

what do you think of nancy?

[Toranaga]

FA, check #205 by titus. I find the flat out assumption that scum coordinated their votes to you strange. also her entire ISO is just these mechanical talking points that aren't solid towny thoughts.

Hi. I don't think we've met. I'm the queen of votes and mechanics. I detest d1 because there is little of either. D1 is people trying to puff up themselves.

Oh we finally get the reasoning for this
thank fuck

gamma, was this sarcasm?

no
I explained this to stun but tl;dr I didn't understand why Titus had been taking a day 1 sucks stance for a while and I was glad to have an explanation
What I'm curious about is why does everyone care about this one post? What alignment indicative information do you hope to get out of it?

but you never said anything about titus before making this post, and titus doesn't explain to any depth what "reasoning" she had for any of "this" as far as d1 goes. it feels pretty random from you to comment on this, and if many people are caring about that post of yours, it's because it's a wolfy post.

[Toranaga]

I'll act as a second flavour mod since someone used a post restriction power on me that forces me to have to post a youtube vid in each post. It's rather obnoxious so I'll probably just make empty flavour posts.

VOTE: Katsuki
This is both impossible/a lie and a scum-motivated post

how was this a scum motivated post?

I won't even bother explaining this one, it comes later in my ISO

I read part of your ISO anyway, and never saw this explanation.

what do you think of katsuki's slot now?

[Toranaga]

Titus did that so we would mislynch Creature.

titus did dick to get creature lynched, right? other people voted creature and she just joined there. she only started hard pushing creature AFTER a counterwagon on creature was already formed.

also by the way you're posting katsuki would have to be lockscum? cause titus never wanted katsuki lynched even though town!shiro was *certain* it was the case.

[Toranaga]

It's kinda impossible to set up someone with black and white meta as mislynch.

yes

talk to me about nancy please

[Toranaga]

gamma can also probably die

Given the only things you thought to bring to me were rather lame questions, I think you shouldn't put too much faith in this read
PEdit: OKay that explanation should be pretty clear, I'll fetch it since you're too lazy to find it
as for my current read, LOOK UP. For a more detailed answer, I'm leaning town on Katsuki already from yesterday where it was a wagon endorsed by Titus iirc but a Toog scumflip seals the deal because I don't feel like BBmolla and Katsuki's slots could be buddies

it was not endorsed by titus, no

titus voted there for lack of alternatives but she was "scumreading" sando and creature, not katsuki

read better? LOOK UP?

[Toranaga]

gamma seemingly townreading katsuki for a titus spew that isn't there is wolfy

[Toranaga]

I'm leaning town on Katsuki already from yesterday where it was a wagon endorsed by Titus iirc

[Toranaga]

gamma can also probably die

Given the only things you thought to bring to me were rather lame questions, I think you shouldn't put too much faith in this read
PEdit: OKay that explanation should be pretty clear, I'll fetch it since you're too lazy to find it
as for my current read, LOOK UP. For a more detailed answer, I'm leaning town on Katsuki already from yesterday where it was a wagon endorsed by Titus iirc but a Toog scumflip seals the deal because I don't feel like BBmolla and Katsuki's slots could be buddies

it was not endorsed by titus, no

titus voted there for lack of alternatives but she was "scumreading" sando and creature, not katsuki

read better? LOOK UP?

Okay so despite acknowledging she voted there, which somewhat supports my theory and at least makes it understandable even if wrong, you still think me drawing that conclusion is wolfy? This strikes me as you just construing everything I post as wolfy, and I'm done townreading you because of it.

katsuki was CW to titus

how is it AI for katsuki that titus voted her CW? lol

[Toranaga]

but you never said anything about titus before making this post, and titus doesn't explain to any depth what "reasoning" she had for any of "this" as far as d1 goes. it feels pretty random from you to comment on this, and if many people are caring about that post of yours, it's because it's a wolfy post.

I don't think you get it
>Titus in several past games goes "I Hate d1"
> I go "WTF she wasn't like this when I first played with her, what prompted this"
> Titus explains here
> I go "well there's that"
IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND
I can understand why people think it's wolfy from it being my first comment towards Titus, but I'd at least like people to understand the thought process behind the post.

you NEVER said "wtf she wasn't like this" or anything like that in the thread. that post where you go "finally we got an explanation" is your first mention of titus unless I missed something in your ISO.

[Toranaga]

yeah that's stretchy reasoning wrt katsuki, gamma

not sure those are genuine thoughts you had on katsuki

looks bad

scumread me at will

pedit: you were looking for titus to say "d1 sucks" as an explanation for her awful posting wrt stuff that isn't explained away by the fact that she thinks d1 sucks.

[Toranaga]

are you doing work in the game or just coming here to defend yourself?

what do you think of nancy?

[Toranaga]

Why wouldnt scum!Titus bus creature in an effort to make creature look townier as she was going down?

That would be a pretty poor attempt.

It's most likely WIFOM.

"it's most likely WIFOM"?

if you're town you know she wasn't WIFOMing, yes? you know she was trying to get a mislynch instead, yes?

how is this obvious wolfing getting a pass? lol

[Toranaga]

are you doing work in the game or just coming here to defend yourself?

Oh shouldn't be surprised you're completely ignoring my reads. Tunnels can make players stupid.

what do you think of nancy?

Still fairly confident she's town due her earlier activity.[/quote]

I was talking to gamma, not you

you're clearly never doing dick this game

[Toranaga]

and what is nancy doing to deserve being on the townblock anyway? have you read her ISO?

[Toranaga]

and what is nancy doing to deserve being on the townblock anyway? have you read her ISO?

Did you not see that I said "nothing exceptional"? I don't know myself what she's done. I'm just following because I don't think objecting will get anything done at this point of the game and if it gets to the point where scum has to be in the townblock, unless something goes horribly wrong, it is covered. And no I have not read her ISO.

I don't see any reason to townblock nancy and don't know why people are still doing it

toogeloo's recent post was bad, too. he doesn't wanna play the game so let's just string him up. but regardless of what it flips, we kill creature tomorrow and don't listen to anything math has to say, yes?

you need better town captain than math. @FA I don't see you efforting. game needs you.

[Toranaga]

Ugh, can't post rn.

yeah we know that

terrified by that red PM aren't you

[Toranaga]

and what is nancy doing to deserve being on the townblock anyway? have you read her ISO?

Did you not see that I said "nothing exceptional"? I don't know myself what she's done. I'm just following because I don't think objecting will get anything done at this point of the game and if it gets to the point where scum has to be in the townblock, unless something goes horribly wrong, it is covered. And no I have not read her ISO.

I don't see any reason to townblock nancy and don't know why people are still doing it

toogeloo's recent post was bad, too. he doesn't wanna play the game so let's just string him up. but regardless of what it flips, we kill creature tomorrow and don't listen to anything math has to say, yes?

you need better town captain than math. @FA I don't see you efforting. game needs you.

Why do we string up Creature regardless of Toog's alignment and what Math says?
And Math isn't really the game captain I think? He's just spearheading because he's today's leader.

nah he is captaining

everyone is sheeping his stuff, that's why creature isn't lynched yet

we lynch creature cause there are no associatives that make creature's ISO look any better than it is and until he plays like town he is always mafia to me

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You still haven’t said why my plan is inferior.

If Creature is scum he has to take me out tomorrow. We just give him a bomb

creature is a wolf and toogeloo might not be is why your plan is inferior

I'd give theta the bomb since she wants it

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...Potential scum asks for bomb “Sure that’s fine”
Again if Creature is a wolf scum need me dead to win. If Creature is scum and you are town that is win win for you, you don’t have to deal with me any more. If Creature is town then I survive. I just feel like you’re just tunneling atm.

I have to focus now but seriously. You’re spending all this time bickering about a slot that no matter what will die.

and why does scum need to kill you again?

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yeah that's stretchy reasoning wrt katsuki, gamma

not sure those are genuine thoughts you had on katsuki

looks bad

scumread me at will

pedit: you were looking for titus to say "d1 sucks" as an explanation for her awful posting wrt stuff that isn't explained away by the fact that she thinks d1 sucks.

How can anyone possibly scumread you? Afterall, you were the one who pleaded with Shiro to use his bp.





Oh wait, that was fucking ME!

what? who cares?

I'm townreading your word salad. now go work on the game and stop obsessing over this.

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I'm only pushing things hard cause I just noticed mathblade is actually playing horribly

I'd be coasting with the rest of you otherwise

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...Potential scum asks for bomb “Sure that’s fine”
Again if Creature is a wolf scum need me dead to win. If Creature is scum and you are town that is win win for you, you don’t have to deal with me any more. If Creature is town then I survive. I just feel like you’re just tunneling atm.

I have to focus now but seriously. You’re spending all this time bickering about a slot that no matter what will die.

and why does scum need to kill you again?

Because they won’t ever mislynch me. If they don’t kill me they lose.

LOOL

as if you wouldn't ultra bus titus super hardcore like you did as scum with her

there's nothing clearing you

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I made the mistake of associatively townreading you because of how hard you were pushing titus once

mod is mafia, remember? it looked just like this

I don't think you're a wolf but lol @ the idea that you're *never* getting lynched this game

be wrong on enough things and you will, my friend

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it is impossible to bus titus? why is that?

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it is impossible to bus titus? why is that?

I would have to be scum.

And if I was scum with the situation here bussing Titus there and fighting for it is dumb.
My entire scum meta is built on giving towns what they want.
In Mod is Mafia they wanted a leader
In Gistou they wanted setup answers
In Shadowrun they wanted a townblock

Here every day has been a fucking fight. You think I then make things infinitely harder?

Like I feel dumber each time I read your posts.

I know how you wolf yes, we talked about it

I think you're town but you're certainly not lock clear because of your titus push

and especially not if toogeloo happens to be a villager and creature wolf

do you understand how shitty you'll look?

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I understand my word won’t be trusted and my reads discarded.

I don’t understand how I would look shitty after coming in and nailing a majority of my reads single handed stopping a Drixx mislynch getting everyone here BP to where we fucking survive anything.

It would just be Math is an idiot all over the thread.

But instead you are assuming I am an idiot because I disagree with you on Creature because Titus and to a small bit Nero (not sure if his is a scum agenda or not) have used the power of suggestion to say I suck.

Give me a chance to prove myself. Lynch Toog who doesn’t want to be here and give Creature a bomb.

I'm not saying you're an idiot. I'm saying your creature read is bad because you're not trying to parse creature with anything creature posted, but on how titus behaved around the slot. if you look at creature's ISO it's wolf. you're not doing that and claiming creature is town.

I also don't agree with the reasons why you're scumreading toogaloo. yes, he gave up so lynching him is fine by me, but your associative read on toogaloo is also assuming creature is town, which I find very unlikely. I'm of the opinion toogaloo actually believed his defense of titus. he wasn't the only town to mistakenly townread the slot given shiro and cerb felt the same thing.

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quotes are broken so I'm not quoting this from you nancy, but as I said: I'm townreading your word salad so go focus on something else. you phrased things very poorly wrt toogaloo and should be looked at anyway if he flips town.

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ftr I think drixx is town for the way he was helping shiro confirm being in a hood with cerb

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also I can confirm drixx used a protective on n3 when I think scum would prefer anything else

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I mean toogeloo was wrong about titus and that's it, really

yes he could be offbeat town or scum. I think he made himself resolvable by just flat out agreeing with his lynch.

I think the way he came up with the titus townread had sound reasoning and the way he is self voting and still flinging shit at people is villagery

tbh if I had read into 1-9/titus interaction I'd probably grow very indecisive about her equity as scum. her "possible bus" post was a clear cut wolf slip so I didn't, but I can see why toogeloo did.

ANYWAY I wonder what shit wolf thinks titus wasn't eventually flipping there and decided to try and save her. toogeloo just made himself resolvable with titus flip. shiro did the same thing actually; scum just decided to kill him anyway

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I wouldnt mind you suiciding either stungun

but I think theta who volunteered should do it

[Toranaga]

and what is nancy doing to deserve being on the townblock anyway? have you read her ISO?

Did you not see that I said "nothing exceptional"? I don't know myself what she's done. I'm just following because I don't think objecting will get anything done at this point of the game and if it gets to the point where scum has to be in the townblock, unless something goes horribly wrong, it is covered. And no I have not read her ISO.

UFO is clearly gambitting here because he knows that my ISO speaks for itself. I keep pressing him to ISO me and instead of doing that, he persists in throwing unwarrented shade at me. At this point. I honestly wouldn’t pit it past him to cherry pick only posts that seem to support his unfounded shade on me, while conveniently ignoring anything that blatantly onvtown spews me or contradicts it. It’s really my fault though. I was just so thrilled that UFO - out of all people on here (we were in really bad terms at the start of the game) - would vote me leader. I can’t believe what a unbelievable moron I’ve been, being that fucking stupid not to see what was really happening. It just never occurred to me that anyone could possibly hate me this much to play with my emotions like that.

I think you're town. stop annoying me.

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Who is UFO?

your only whiteknight

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the thing you're doing now is exactly why I don't like you, nancy

please stop. I'm allowed to shade and push people without being attacked with a massive tl;dr of AtE and "I didn't think someone would hate me this much to play with my feelings" crap

I think you're town cause you're too goddamn annoying right now to actually be scum. is that good for you dear?

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Who is UFO?

your only whiteknight

Ah, so why do they call you UFO?

my username on MU is hardcoreUFO

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no stun, you're right

toogeloo was supposed to be playing the gameday out regardless instead of just offering himself as sacrifice and doing nothing substantial in the game

I just don't wolfread him is all.

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I also don't wolfread mathblade but you have to not know mathblade if you don't think they'd flat out hardcore bus titus as soon as they subbed in

if anyone is interested, read mastina's mod is mafia to just how hard mathblade can hard push titus as w/w

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One of strengths as town is my gut. I have a degree in child psychology, and that may help a bit as well, but I feel like I have some really decent instincts.

One of my weaknesses is that I'm fairly uncharismatic and leading lynches isn't really my forte lol.

also, from a recent pt where toog said he has really a good gut instinct as town

so for me to believe toog is town here, he has to a). have been horribly off-the-mark regarding titus b). have gone back on a town gut lean on FA after titus scum flip which spewed fa as town, and c). believe to toog to be completely uninterested in scumhunting this game.

easier solution: toog is scum.

yeah that seems wise

VOTE: toogeloo

his posting in real time is awful too ok

I'm down to do it

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did toogeloo really just show up to ask who UFO is and then fucked off the thread?

jesus christ

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quotes are broken so I'm not quoting this from you nancy, but as I said: I'm townreading your word salad so go focus on something else. you phrased things very poorly wrt toogaloo and should be looked at anyway if he flips town.

Why should I care if YOU’RE townreading me now? I’m far from convinced you haven’t been playing me this whole game. it really meant a lot to me when you said you voted me leader and for you to scumread that post of mine, how am I not supposed to be ubersuspicious of you for that?

I really really want to believe that it was just a bad read but my town faith in you has been badly shaken by thzt.

why don't you read my ISO then? I see you OMGUSing shading me because god forbid anyone actually thinks anything you did is wolfy, but what about you take a step back from it and read how I've been playing the game from d1?

you've been bugging me to do it for you so why don't we both, then?

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I've townread your emotions very hard by the end of d1 and, while I was pretty certain ankamius was always town, I felt those emotions were characteristic of what I remember from you, and felt you were locktown so I voted you there

it wasn't personal, alright? I know it meant something for you but I'd never hold a personal grudge in a game. I'll make anyone leader if I'm certain they're town and not screwing things up with their actions.

do you understand how annoying it is that I have to read you say I hate you so much I'm toying with your emotions? it's not something anyone should have to deal with. I could never save face and act properly here if I was actually scum trying to mislynch you, cause you're making this very personal. stop doing this to me. it sucks.

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sakura is very obviously town I agree

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I wouldnt mind you suiciding either stungun

but I think theta who volunteered should do it

Why do you want Stun to suicide?

cerb had this 100% wolf read on stun and I think that's biting him in the ass at some point

I'm fairly convinced he is town

I also think theta is town and want her to have the sui

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I know Brian, we're nuts

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we don't

you're just a contrarian

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v/la this weekend

hopefully I'll come home to a closed thread and I fucking hope toogeloo didn't play the gameday out like this as a villager

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I'm not gonna get into the mechanical talk because better people for the job are already on it, so this gameday has me doing nothing instead since we're not really scumhunting until toogeloo flips

[Toranaga]

I used mimickry on gamma emerald and acquired no abilities

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stungun was obvtown anyway

also mathblade will be a good little citizen and not try to thread captain cause the only thing they were right about was on titus

[Toranaga]

Why kill him, he was scummy lol

no that would be you

also I'm in favour of kokichi/creature wagons today

kill both

[Toranaga]

VOTE: kokichi oma

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being covered in goo won't make you goo, the faction

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let's just zoom out of this goo thing cause obviously this goo ability is either closer to a fruit vendor or has some effect on the player that we don't know, but it doesn't change their alignment to goo. that'd make no sense. I know what "goo" is, I actually played a thing on personality cafe that had goos but this setup opening A DAY 5 GOOING PEOPLE ABILITY would be the most unreasonable crazy thing I ever played since zork games. so yeah.

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not lynching creature requires not remembering how bad his posting was this entire game

let's sit on this shit, alright?

don't lynch anyone without ISOing them unless we have a guilty today

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What do you think about hebichan yourself?

Gonna need you to explain why you feel like she's the most likely one you're wrong about first

Gonna try to explain:

It's as if something sentimental about hebichan makes me townread her even though I sometimes say to myself I don't like her posts.

“Sentimental”?

creature is howling

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goo is a colored text indicator. people who vote me will be seen purple if I activate purple goo

It's some sort of watcher whose results will show up next day.

is this mod info?

[Toranaga]

okie dokie

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not lynching creature requires

not remembering

how bad his posting was this entire game

Oh, how ironic.

what's ironic about it?

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I'd sometimes make marijuana butter for the edible experience, and then instead of baking a brownie or anything like that I'd just put butter in hot coffee and just go through with it

it's the closest I got from oily water

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not lynching creature requires

not remembering

how bad his posting was this entire game

Oh, how ironic.

what's ironic about it?

Either you don't remember what I was doing earlier or you're pretending there are only bad posts.

so there are good posts? where are the good posts?

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"oh, Math TvTing again" is awfully bad post and, thank you for reminding me of this so I don't forget why you're a wolf

[Toranaga]

ok I'm out

UNVOTE: kokichi oma

figure stuffs

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obviously she gave it to scum

that's why I used mimickry on gamma last night. I was shooting for a red check.

I actually went from kokichi to gamma because I tried to hit their most townread wolf who likely got powers that night

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obviously she gave it to scum

that's why I used mimickry on gamma last night. I was shooting for a red check.

I actually went from kokichi to gamma because I tried to hit their most townread wolf who likely got powers that night

Why didn’t you verify the townblock?

*curious look*

Like people are paranoid of deep wolves why not check someone in the block?

because I'm not scumreading them

I'm checking people I scumread instead

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and I disagree. Just b/c he's not the "hidden scum" doesn't mean we should not be NOT flipping him. Unless you think he's like totally town which I'd like to hear why.

That’s a fair point, there could be more than one hidden scum but only one who got a power instead of Ank. So, being confirmed as not having used a power on the night UFO checks them doesn’t clear anyone of not being scum, only does not implicate them of using a hidden power on that particular night.

it doesn't, yeah. I actually have an extremely weak power.

I feel uneasy with drixx btw. I think the worst said they were scummy, and while I don't exactly feel the same way, I also don't feel he was ever really towny and I'm not sure I believe he honestly believes killing our entire POE is a bad thing. that suicide bombing will absolutely trash mafia, because even if they're all outside of the POE, we're gonna nuke all of their possible mislynches while not giving mafia any night kills. IDK exactly how the bombing works but it can NEVER be a bad thing, unless we give the ability to mafia.

I volunteer to do it too btw. if people are scared of giving it to POE'd down players and they end up nuking half the town, just give it to me cause you know I'm town, right? RIGHT?

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how are we multiplying the use of self detonation? it seems like it can only trigger on one player

also that's something we'd only use tomorrow right?

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I'm gonna be ISOing for the next two hours gl me

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TBFH I'm just worry we're going to no lynch because math TvTs me because I vote mylo and you TvT me for voting muffin and I'm sitting here having no good read on either.

It's a really annoying position to be in because I really, really just want to lynch titus.

Also- I'm voting for FA tonight.

Oh, Math TvTing again lol

am I the only one who strong scumreads this post?

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@FA ISO hebichan

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random thought I had: we have two flipped town players who voted for titus on n1 (bbmolla and cerberus). that's evidence pointing towards no actual coordination from the wolves to make titus leader, because we now know the wolves did not need to coordinate votes on titus to make her leader. I'll also note that titus mainly only used her leadership to try and slide into the towncore, and the way she spoke about being elected by town points to knowing she had to be voted by town in order to be leader. do we remember who casted the 3rd vote on her? that might actually be a 3rd town player doing so.

I'm starting my ISOs with hebichan cause it's a name that's been thrown around a lot and I never had any grasp of how he was playing... which is interesting cause it means nothing hebi wrote in real time was impactful enough for me to lean either way. considering we're day 5 already, that's kind of an alarming sign.

I will renominate kokichi for leader tomorrow.

Other than that, I don't really need any power, but it would be nice to have one since I am town and I know my own alignment.

I think hebi started really awkward in his first 4 posts. he talks about voting kokichi as leader, or about kokichi in every single one of them. the one I quoted has bad phrasing throughout: saying he'll renominate the same player next day when d1 just started points to a disinterest in solving people's alignments and casting leader votes on likely town. the whole thing about asking for powers while saying he doesn't need them is very awkward phrased. there's this insistence in talking about the mechanical aspect of the game early on that I dislike. I don't think town fixates on that aspect of the game, and you'll remember the other person who was fixated in leader votes was scum!titus.

reading up the rest.

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all hebi's posts are talking about mechanics until this:

VOTE: alisae
Being serious here, uhh I townread Sando so far, and FA, I think.

1-9 seems fine. As does Cerb.


I need more kokichi content to determine his alignment.

when hebi says he is "being serious here", I wonder if this is because he realises voting alisae is goofy and a potential derpclear? because the only reason someone has to vote alisae is if they don't understand alisae isn't actually a player that can get voted off, and if that's the case, he has no reason to say he is "being serious here".

there's some minor stuff with the phrasing otherwise that reads as disingenuous. needing more from kokichi "to determine his alignment" is actually... too deterministic. you can hardly tell if you're going to determine someone's alignment just because they're posting more content. it points to wolf mindset of knowing alignments but wanting people to work on the game so he can townread them.

#427 is empty. those are reads a wolf makes.

There are way too many voices for me to really sort properly. But I think Ank is my biggest town read atm. So I'm gonna sheep it till I feel like I have a better feel here.

VOTE: nancy drew

he "thinks" someone is his biggest town read? and is just sheeping on nancy instead of determining nancy. also look at the excuses not to make reads here.

#1014 is another empty attempt at making reads. "Sando is town, but way too concerned about certain things..." is drudgesiren.gif worthy. "concerned about certain things" isn't a read on sando's alignment and is only there to make the post look thoughtful.

#1046 has a good vote on gamma for good reasons, and he follows with a list of possible lynches that contained both titus and 1-9, other than gamma. considering I do scumread gamma, that is a good sign but I've seen no reasonable progression from hebichan that he is now conveniently scumreading 1-9 here. he was townreading 1-9 and suddenly that's added to his lynch pool. it could be for peer pressure because of people scumreading the slot anyway.

I didn't like some of nancy's earlier post, specially floating titus as a leader candidate.

Gamma I already explained. I feel like Gamma is more forced than normal, he always has a bit of a weird perspective but he doesn't usually type redundant statements.

The post I quoted before is a clear sign of someone trying to force content.

first good hebichan post. I agree with his thoughts on gamma at any rate. #1269, however, has a strong scumread on nancy and desire to get her lynched that's surprising to me given how very little he wrote about nancy this game. his nancy vote started with sheeping ankamius about it, which grew into what feels like an associative read that nancy was scum with titus, but not pushing titus, and then all of a sudden that's his preferred lynch. considering titus and 1-9 were both getting massive amounts of heat, pointing at a different direction here when there was very little in his ISO that supported it is a sign of scum motivated posting by trying to get town lynched while not associating himself with the wagoned scum.

Sando puts more effort into their posts than anyone else in the game - probably town

I like how UFO is pushing people hard.

Brass is definitely different here than he was in Necro - a lot more content. I like his thought processes.

FA seems to have good tone.

I’m really liking Titus - plenty of nuanced reads, good interactions, plus is adorable.

Human seems okay so far, I will need to see more from him

Gamma seems okay, some posts seem to be a bit contradictory but tone seems villagery.

Random needs to start posting more. Seems like disinterested villa

Need more on Katsuki, Kokichi and Chick

Numbers - troll lol. Are they scum or just obvious mislynchbait?

This one, I dunno.

There's just a lot there with not much substance, and she knocks off numbes as a "troll".

A lot of talk about "tone".

this resonates with me, though. there's a lot in that nancy post that does not look great, especially the part about numbers now that we know numbers was mafia.

I'd really like hebichan to have explained his thought processes more and better. there seems to be a lot of awkward stances but I like the weight of his pushes on nancy and gamma. I need to read his D2 etc but it's a long ISO so I'll take my time and move to something else.

gun to head: no idea.

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how are we multiplying the use of self detonation? it seems like it can only trigger on one player

also that's something we'd only use tomorrow right?

Player A gets bomb explodes on B
Player C gets bomb explodes on D
Player E gets bomb explodes on F

Powers chosen tonight can be used tonight

So this is something we would use tonight.

so... we're giving powers to a bunch of POE'd down players today? that seems unwise.

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Titus is giving me feels. Bad feels, maybe.

lol this

agree it's awful

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ok math you veto me I veto you, deal?

wrt the power thing: sure. if I'm elected to receive a power, I'm 100% getting the sui bomb and letting other slots be resolved before setting myself off, unless people want me as leader instead. 1 for 1 is a pretty fantastic deal and everyone should just take it.

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the suboptimal use of my power has so far given the best reason anyone has for townreading drixx btw

I could have targeted shiro and be talking with the dead now, and I did forget to send it in n2, but none of that makes my play "so suboptimally it's actually scummy". I think my actions have been fine. I targeted FA, drixx and gamma, and all of those results have given us something to help solve the game. using that as the basis to scumread me is pretty awful but alas, you do you mate.

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nancy who did you vote for leader n1?

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wrt chickadee, I can absolutely see those early posts she made as coming from scum but nosferatu has been towny throughout and I'm yet to find a reason to suspect him

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hi FA

who do you wanna lynch and why?

do you mind ISOing hebichan or too busy rn?

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yeah I just did and it's pretty alarming to me, wanted to know your thoughts as well

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I think 2 bombs is better than 3 as well

I'm 100% on letting theta have it cause I'm confident she is town and she is a slot people will want to resolve later on cause it's theta. she knows she gets scumread more often than she deserves and knows she is more useful as town if we use her as KP. I say we let her do it.

for the other slot, I want it to be me, unless I'm being voted for leader. I trust my ability to find one scum and blow myself up with it, I don't think I'm a NK priority for scum and I don't like the idea of giving any other POE'd down player abilities other than theta.

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i will literally NEVER be in favor of a janitored vig, it's fine if scum uses it for THEM, coz they already know who's town and scum, but from a town PoV it just kills someone and then we never know if we hit town or scum and dont know how many of each remaining, as such, Any petrification use DOESNT MATTER WHO uses it im going to assume scum used it, so if you're town and somehow have it DO NOT use it.

wait who wants petrification? that seems like an awful idea

as far as I see it, sui bombing and tracking are the best abilities we can pick as town

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which has already been established multiple times it can’t

Why it can't happen?!

how did you establish this?!

It's litteraly near certain that a scum with power negation is in the game with titus flip.

can you explain this to me like I'm 5?

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the bombs can be used by day and should definitely not be used as night actions IMO

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the way the sui bomb is phrased, I believe it's negation would also count for if it's used as a day action. it counts for that night's superpower usage so it's "activated" at night anyway. if power negation is used on that player, it wouldn't trigger next day cause it was never activated in the first place.

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Okay this is ridiculous.
Power Negation lasts into the following day phase as much as BP and Doc protection do as well.
We dont avoid power negation by doing it during the day.

you're right

it should be used at day because we can evaluate based on flips and direct the other suicides with it. it's obviously better than at night.

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Okay this is ridiculous.
Power Negation lasts into the following day phase as much as BP and Doc protection do as well.
We dont avoid power negation by doing it during the day.

you're right

it should be used at day because we can evaluate based on flips and direct the other suicides with it. it's obviously better than at night.

Except that for the 100th time doesn’t fucking work
Scum just kill the person with the bomb opposite them before they can explode
Or they kill a TvT pairing for the free mislynch.

oh I see. so actually triggering at night avoids them drawing night kills.

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Lets let them explode at night so scum can't kill them

yeah yeah I got there as well now

[Toranaga]

btw how do we know titus had precog? someone used mimickry on her, right?

[Toranaga]

btw how do we know titus had precog? someone used mimickry on her, right?

I just saw she actually claimed it

mathblade also took precog? when did that happen?

[Toranaga]

FA

Me

Ank Nancy Drixx

Math

Shiro

Quoting for reference
Bolding the confirmed + Titus herself coz she cant unchoose herself.

Drixx is the one person off list I left out. Mod said too many to give him one. He was considered the scummiest and there was no hood.

Still catching up.

I took Precognition since that power role can be tracked and no one trusted me. Sending in my PM to use it.

quoting this for myself

[Toranaga]

what does titus mean with "there was no hood" when referring to drixx in that post?

[Toranaga]

so

I believe titus picked precog because she'd otherwise risk outing herself if anyone decided to use mimickry on her.

I believe drixx is always town and was not secretly chosen by titus on n2 because drixx would either use his n2 power (like power negate for instance), or pick something that can be remotely useful as scum instead of impenetrable skin.

wrt ank, if she did get a power and was still killed that night, and titus tried to play the long run, that might mean one of two things: either all the other wolves are highly POE'd down and titus was the only one who could go deep, meaning she'd sacrifice her team, give them nothing, townside the whole game and hopefully snatch a win; or her original list actually has scum in it and there's scum deeply infiltrated in towncore. I'm leaning towards the former because there's no sign that scum actually used any night powers other than the kill, and they seem to be happy keeping me alive with mimickry.

[Toranaga]

@math: if titus got obtown'ed that would still matter because she would still be at risk of getting outed by ank

also a mimic isn't a cop, and titus certainly didn't think no one would check her for being too scummy, since she townsided heavily on d3. she certainly planned on going deep or her d3 makes no sense.

[Toranaga]

I believe drixx is always town and was not secretly chosen by titus on n2 because drixx would either use his n2 power (like power negate for instance), or pick something that can be remotely useful as scum instead of impenetrable skin.

Correct conclusion but there's a flawed premise in there. Go reread what Impenetrable Skin does. Then tell me what being targeted by a player with a bomb would be.

there was no bomb on n3. you actually used impenetrable skin that night.

[Toranaga]

It also explains her flailing so fucking hard

She wanted the info to manipulate us like pawns.

However scum lack a mastermind and a power negate more than likely due to her arrogance.

You really think scum is failing too because it doesn’t look like it to me?

how is that your impression?

[Toranaga]

killing toogeloo probably just means scum doesn't have ways to counter bulletproof because they're not getting any powers

[Toranaga]

I outed mimickry on d2 fwiw

[Toranaga]

d2 or d3

[Toranaga]

Look at night 1 powers. If I was scum I would choose medium and do exactly what shiro did for free credit. or maybe I would go with phasing again but it would be worthless unless if people were considering to kill me. the free towncred looks more beneficial

I'll let you in on a secret, FA

on n1, I chose mimicry and used on you. I got the same results cerb got: you didn't do any action.

IDK what action I'd use as scum but what shiro is doing is very helpful to town even if shiro is scum, which I no longer believe in and am surprised you are still so suspicious of her. don't you find shiro's overrall behaviour in the thread towny? even the fact that she is shading you looks objectively towny to me...

d3

[Toranaga]

killing toogeloo probably just means scum doesn't have ways to counter bulletproof because they're not getting any powers

Don’t you mean Stun?

yeah lol

[Toranaga]

So then 3 bombs @Tor?

I'm still mulling this over. the most important thing is getting a scum flip today so I'm working on that first.

[Toranaga]

But Ank kill happened N2, so extremely likely Titus was gambiting on Shiro visiting Ank claim.

shiro only outed the hood with cerberus on d3 afaict. that means scum didn't know who, if anyone, had precognition. however, for titus to have a different power and give precognition to a scum team mate, she would have to ignore both mimickry and the power to hood a dead player as ways to eventually out her, which is why I think this is unlikely to be the case.

[Toranaga]

what's our POE right now?

the worst, sando, nosferatu, creature, kokichi, gamma, hebichan

am I missing anyone?

[Toranaga]

what's our POE right now?

the worst, sando, nosferatu, creature, kokichi, gamma, hebichan

am I missing anyone?

theta, nero cain

pretty big POE

[Toranaga]

Votecount 4.3

Leader: MathBlade

Toogeloo (7):

stungun0404, the worst, MathBlade, Toranaga, Frozen Angel, Gamma Emerald, Toogeloo

Nancy Drew 39 (1):

Nosferatu

the worst (1):

Sando

Creature (0):

Drixx (0):

Frozen Angel (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

hebichan (0):

Katsuki (0):

Kokichi Oma (0):

Nosferatu (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

Sando (0):

Stungun0404 (0):

Theta Alpine(0):

Toranaga (0):

Not Voting (8):

Creature, Drixx, hebichan, Katsuki, Kokichi Oma, Nancy Drew 39, Sakura Hana, Theta Alpine

With

17

players, it takes

9

to lynch.
The day ends in (expired on 2018-08-11 21:00:00).

Nancy Drew is on V/LA for (expired on 2018-08-08 00:00:00).
Katsuki has requested replacement.

Abilities Available for Acquisition

Force Field Generation:

Target another player. That player is protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Freezing:

Target another player. That player cannot use any abilities until the next Night Phase.

Impenetrable Skin:

You are protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Power Echo:

Target another player. Any targeting Superpowers this player uses this Night Phase will be used on another player of your choice in addition to their original target.

Siren's Call:

Target another player. That player's action(s) will be redirected to target you instead of their original target(s) until the next Night Phase.

*Super Strength:

Any actions you take this Night Phase cannot be blocked or manipulated.

*May be used to modify any Superpowers a player may have. Does not count against the number of Superpowers a player may use each Night Phase.

we're not playing this correctly

[Toranaga]

math did you out your choices?

[Toranaga]

DAY 5 BEGINS

Votecount 5.0

Leader: Sakura Hana

Creature (0):

Drixx (0):

Frozen Angel (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

hebichan (0):

Kokichi Oma (0):

MathBlade(0):

Nancy Drew 39 (0):

Nero Cain (0):

Nosferatu (0):

Sando (0):

Theta Alpine(0):

the worst (0):

Toranaga (0):

Not Voting (15):

Creature, Drixx, Frozen Angel, Gamma Emerald, hebichan, Kokichi Oma, MathBlade, Nancy Drew 39, Nero Cain, Nosferatu, Sakura Hana, Sando, Theta Alpine, the worst, Toranaga

With

15

players, it takes

8

to lynch.
The day ends in (expired on 2018-08-20 11:00:00).

Abilities Available for Acquisition

Goo Generation:

Until the next Night Phase, anyone that successfully targets you will be covered in goo of a single color of your choice.

Petrification:

Target another player. That player loses their ability to post, vote, and submit actions and no longer counts for parity.

Power Absorption:

You acquire any Superpowers that successfully target you.

Power Echo:

Target another player. Any targeting Superpowers this player uses this Night Phase will be used on another player of your choice in addition to their original target.

**Self-Detonation:

Target another player. Both you and that player will die.

Superhuman Tracking:

Target another player. You will know who that player targets this Night Phase.

**May be used during the Day but still counts against the following Night's Superpower usage. If used during the Day, resolves immediately. If used during the Night, resolves normally.

don't you guys see it?

[Toranaga]

Power Echo: Target another player. Any targeting Superpowers this player uses this Night Phase will be used on another player of your choice in addition to their original target.
**Self-Detonation: Target another player. Both you and that player will die.

^^^^ this is the game we're playing here folks

[Toranaga]

tell me what's wrong with this idea:

we have the lock town players getting powers

we have one of these players using self detonate on a target

we have all the other players using power echo on the self detonate player, and direct it to other targets

what's the flaw in this?

[Toranaga]

tell me what's wrong with this idea:

we have the lock town players getting powers

we have one of these players using self detonate on a target

we have all the other players using power echo on the self detonate player, and direct it to other targets

what's the flaw in this?

If they block/nagate the detonate all the kills will be stopped

if scum has power negation and we are giving 3 townies bombs to explode themselves with, the scum will only let the TvT kills go through. if scum is one of the people we elect to use the bomb, they will just use power echo instead, or get some other ability and create WIFOM when neither side dies at night.

[Toranaga]

FA has power negation huh

[Toranaga]

@nancy, what power did you choose n1?

[Toranaga]

@nancy you should really out what powers you have and what you did with them IMO

[Toranaga]

The only people who can have power negation are Nancy me Math and the person who was in ank place.

The only people with possible freezing are Mathblade , Sakura Hana , me, Drixx, Nancy, the one sakura forgot from n4

yes?

yes

[Toranaga]

scum doesn't have power negation

[Toranaga]

scum doesn't have power negation

if scum had power negation, they wouldn't have killed stungun instead of someone in towncore

they'd likely not kill shiro who was hard defending titus and could be framed with power negation

we're d5 and no one has claimed to be roleblocked yet

they just don't have that power

[Toranaga]

math added stungun to their team? odd.

[Toranaga]

how sure are you that math is town, sakura?

[Toranaga]

scum doesn't have power negation

if scum had power negation, they wouldn't have killed stungun instead of someone in towncore

they'd likely not kill shiro who was hard defending titus and could be framed with power negation

we're d5 and no one has claimed to be roleblocked yet

they just don't have that power

This is not sound reasoning Toranaga. We're literally going down a path that could provide scum a chance to win. If they're all flying under the radar then they could be saving the usage of negate for the critical moment.

I think the bomb idea is really terrible btw

I'm just guessing that's not a power they have

[Toranaga]

I'm 100% with you on drixx and FA, but I find your reasoning for math!town really unconvincing sakura.

[Toranaga]

one aspect of the ank kill on n2 is that she could have chosen BP on n1 (unless she claimed otherwise), and titus could not have both given ank power and also kill her on n2 without power negation. furthermore, taking power negation is by far the most sensible thing scum can do there.

if scum had power negation on n2, and titus had access to precog, then at least 1 scum other than titus got powers on n2.

stungun's NK on n4, and to a lesser extent shiro's NK on n3, are evidence that scum does not have power negation. stungun's NK is especially difficult to understand otherwise as he had no powers and wasn't a major townread/in townblock.

if scum had power negation on n2 but not on n4, that means titus was the one with power negation, which means another scum player picked precognition on n2 and coordinated with titus so she could claim that.

[Toranaga]

we are not doing math's plan because it's not a good plan.

town benefits from playing this setup slowly. we control the leader and the abilities. we have ways to parse out our current POE and get the remaining scum.

why are we even considering that giving a bunch of POE'd down players access to the abilities is a good idea? we don't know if scum is infiltrated in towncore or not. we are not nuking this game on the hope that mafia doesn't have abilities with which to defend and redirect actions against them.

[Toranaga]

I'm heavily against the entire thing.

[Toranaga]

which has already been established multiple times it can’t

Why it can't happen?!

how did you establish this?!

It's litteraly near certain that a scum with power negation is in the game with titus flip.

No. It’s very likely scum have a power.

It’s unlikely that is power negate due to the townblock not dying and due to Tor getting his check off supposedly. They would have to have holstered three nights in a row for negate. The odds of that are small to infinestimal as noted by others

Makes no sense. why would scum (who had also titus) choose another power over power negate night 2? like how can you assume that? It's WAY more likely that they used power negate with shiro ank kill and holestered last night or used it on stungun to make sure he dies and nothing itefers.

Because Titus is an arrogant scum player who would likely think negate is inherently scummy.

Like this is completely irrational paranoia. It does not make sense.

ocaam razor says there is a power negation in game cause titus was scum. And yes the ability is scummy hence why she hide who got that power. If she wnated them to have a towny power she wouldn't choose a hidden scum for the ability.

You can say she didn't give any power to a scum instead of ank then with that logic but yours is built on moon.

oh god you've been saying this.

yes there was power negation! because ank died and titus was scum.

if titus had it or if power negation is sitting with a hidden scum player we don't know. stun's NK points at no power negation, which actually makes mathblade scum a lot here, as for titus to have power negation, at least one of her scumbuddies need to have picked precog in her place. and math picked precog.

I'm actually really uneasy that math (who picked precog n2, who gave stun power the same night wolves unexplicably NKed him) is also the loudest one about a ridiculously dangerous bombing idea that ultimately only benefits scum.

[Toranaga]

if wolves are all in POE, we will win this game anyway.

if there are hidden wolves who were picked by leaders or chosen leaders, we are handing them free kills. that's the only thing we're doing.

and we know for a fact that at least one scum was leader and we don't even know all the people she gave power to.

please wake up people.

[Toranaga]

VOTE: mathblade

[Toranaga]

you were trying to nuke the game and give scum a bunch of kills if there's scum infiltrated in towncore

your mechanics would potentially lose us the game

that it took me so long to start figuring out the mechanics of this game is on me but you are doing this bombing plan over my dead body

[Toranaga]

I'll investigate how you brought this idea up.

[Toranaga]

I'll investigate how you brought this idea up.

The worst did.

Not me I enhanced it to try to be safer.

*leaves the thread*

don't be like that math :/

at some point you went from merely suggesting and not liking it to being extremely confident it would work. It CAN work, but we're not doing this cause it's gross and potentially game throwing. the setup benefits town. unnecessary kills are bad.

[Toranaga]

Technically Theta wanted to suicide, then duckling agreed and brought up the potential plan, Math then just reinforced it.

I suggest you pick your towncore and we move from there

we only lose if scum slips into our lists. if we control the abilities, we'll always control the game.

[Toranaga]

Oh god. fuck what have I done. /o\

you didn't do anything. relax, you're fine. :*

[Toranaga]

@Sando:

Please stay out of this.

I'm not getting involved in "this", I'm saying that you need to tone down your responses to people who disagree with your plans. I was called paranoid, by you, earlier for suggesting that Titus was being fed precog info, and now you're presenting it as if it's the most obvious thing in the world. FA has called me crazy paranoid for discussing the idea that she let Cerb die without powers N1, and then it's now just accepted that Titus did that N2.

People have legit disagreements about mechanics here, it's pretty complex, you've been presenting the people who've disagreed with you as dumbies when (at least some of them) they're not.

oh math really called you paranoid for it? that's interesting because if someone was feeding titus precog info, there's an extremely good chance it was mathblade.

the 180 on the stance is really telling on math's alignment.

[Toranaga]

Frozen Angel has asked for replacement.

FA don't leave

[Toranaga]

how can scum even get power echo if Hana gives out the powers?

if we decide to give 3 people in POE powers so they can use sui, they can just use echo if they're scum yes? scum isn't blowing themselves up because we want them to.

[Toranaga]

we're gonna stop being obtuse with this bomb thing hopefully.

it's not a good idea.

even math is against it now.

nero literally has no clue what the implications are for doing something like this.

we will win this game by playing it out slowly. if that bores anyone, they're free to follow FA and replace out.

[Toranaga]

@Sando:

Please stay out of this.

I'm not getting involved in "this", I'm saying that you need to tone down your responses to people who disagree with your plans. I was called paranoid, by you, earlier for suggesting that Titus was being fed precog info, and now you're presenting it as if it's the most obvious thing in the world. FA has called me crazy paranoid for discussing the idea that she let Cerb die without powers N1, and then it's now just accepted that Titus did that N2.

People have legit disagreements about mechanics here, it's pretty complex, you've been presenting the people who've disagreed with you as dumbies when (at least some of them) they're not.

oh math really called you paranoid for it? that's interesting because if someone was feeding titus precog info, there's an extremely good chance it was mathblade.

the 180 on the stance is really telling on math's alignment.

I don’t think,Titus was being fed anything. If she had negate herself or any of the 2 other scummy powers available that night, then it really doesn’t make a lot of sense for scum to kill Shiro. I suppose you could always argue that scum had good reason to think he wouldn’t use his bp but I think, scum didn’t want Ank to tell Shiro she never got a power and while this scenario can make sense with any 3 of the scummier powers available that night, it really doesn’t make a helluva lot of sense with precog.

if scum has someone infiltrated in towncore

you know, someone like mathblade

then killing shiro is essential because when mathblade becomes captain, they can e.g. pretend they picked the NK and give another scum powers. like he did with stungun.

just an example.

and is titus died by lynch with power negate then they will of course kill shiro cause shiro was unprotected.

[Toranaga]

even math is against it now.

isn't that a good point

FOR

it?

it's blatantly awful idea dude

[Toranaga]

@Sando:

Please stay out of this.

I'm not getting involved in "this", I'm saying that you need to tone down your responses to people who disagree with your plans. I was called paranoid, by you, earlier for suggesting that Titus was being fed precog info, and now you're presenting it as if it's the most obvious thing in the world. FA has called me crazy paranoid for discussing the idea that she let Cerb die without powers N1, and then it's now just accepted that Titus did that N2.

People have legit disagreements about mechanics here, it's pretty complex, you've been presenting the people who've disagreed with you as dumbies when (at least some of them) they're not.

oh math really called you paranoid for it? that's interesting because if someone was feeding titus precog info, there's an extremely good chance it was mathblade.

the 180 on the stance is really telling on math's alignment.

I don’t think,Titus was being fed anything. If she had negate herself or any of the 2 other scummy powers available that night, then it really doesn’t make a lot of sense for scum to kill Shiro. I suppose you could always argue that scum had good reason to think he wouldn’t use his bp but I think, scum didn’t want Ank to tell Shiro she never got a power and while this scenario can make sense with any 3 of the scummier powers available that night, it really doesn’t make a helluva lot of sense with precog.

if scum has someone infiltrated in towncore

you know, someone like mathblade

then killing shiro is essential because when mathblade becomes captain, they can e.g. pretend they picked the NK and give another scum powers. like he did with stungun.

just an example.

and is titus died by lynch with power negate then they will of course kill shiro cause shiro was unprotected.

But Stun had him in his hardtown core, so what would be the motivation for Math to kill him? But if Titus died with negate, then what would scum have to fear from a Shiro Ank visit?

not an ank visit, but the power would be very inconvenient for later gamedays yes?

the stun kill points to no power negation

the ank kill and titus being leader point to power negation

that would mean titus had power negation

and some other scum had precog

math has precog

idk I just want math dead now

[Toranaga]

Vote: Gamma

read Drixx's, Gammas, Hebi and Creature ISO and tell me wich 3 are scum if any.

gamma is scum

[Toranaga]

gamma is scum

then vote him, not voting Math save for maybe a compromise policy.

I'm tunneling math until math dies

give me sui bomb and ill blow him up

give me a vote and I'll vote him

give me a vig and I'll vig him

anyway IDK what possessed me to wake up but I'm back to bed

[Toranaga]

hello!

i'm not really going to read 400 pages I think; is there anything specific I should be looking at?

just ISO your predecessor
lol jks

you're very likely town and have been leader by slot twice so probably have some superpower business going on which I think FA has already confirmed but just keep it to yourself unless someone else who's probably town tells you to talk about it

also this game has too many pages for life so we're gonna blow heaps of people the fuck up

welcome to the party!!

no we're not

we're doing 0 things mathblade proposed, yes?

I thought we were clear about it

[Toranaga]

I wanna be voted leader.

[Toranaga]

you're the worst

[Toranaga]

let me explain to you very succintly why this sucks

1 - scum was elected leader on n1 and we don't know how many wolves got powers that day. we don't know what their powers are. we don't know who titus gave power to instead of ankamius.
2 - if scum slipped into the towncore as well, then they have a lot of powers by now and can absolutely fuck our "bombing plan" up in many ways.
3 - scum can negate, redirect, amplify or BP themselves against the suicides
4 - flipping everyone in a POE and then determine that whoever we don't flip is scum does not fucking work cause there will be situations where scum just WIFOMs the fuck out of it
5 - we are playing a horribly townsided setup where we elect a leader and we know the majority of players who got powers and which powers are those. we have informative, protective and other types of abilities that will always lead to a town win as long as we don't fuck this up. we benefit from playing slowly because we gain a ton of information every gameday. we control the abilities. we bulletproof our towniest people. nuking an entire POE that's actually way too big and could be wrong is the fucking worst plan ever.

so please the worst, you just stop this mate. I know you're bored with the game and want to nuke everyone. that's not the proper way to play this though, and I'm not gonna stand by it.

I'm especially not gonna stand by it when that was also FA's opinion and unfortunately she had to not be in this game anymore cause mathblade's AtE. which honestly is pretty disgusting if you're scum, math. I hope you're not. I think you might be.

[Toranaga]

Even if all scum are in the PoE, stalling days to lynch the PoE one by one is gonna be a pretty painful experience.

good for you you're not even playing at all then

[Toranaga]

@FA I hate you

what did you do

look at this, I'm alone now

[Toranaga]

I wanna be voted leader.

Thoughts on my 9901

hey sando. yeah I read those. I think the evidence against mathblade is just piling up at this point and they need to be resolved. I think their explanation for 180ing on their stance on titus is not making much sense and I think the way math was so solidly in favour of that bombing plan and got to fake being emotional about me and drixx not agreeing to it points to him being scum.

I don't wanna read another line about this bombing plan. if an individual wishes to bomb themselves, then they need to be in towncore first and get elected as someone we will trust with the abilities. whoever is anxious about the game ending quicker than it should be can go play a 12/12 on MU. I have 0 sympathy for "it will be boring if we don't bomb everyone" arguments.

[Toranaga]

we benefit from playing slowly because we gain a ton of information every gameday.

Are we clearing players from the PoE?

we can clear players from the PoE with good usage of our abilities.

is that a new concept for you? there are informative skills available to us, yes?

[Toranaga]

I'm literally just suggesting we nuke the lynchpool. It's what happens through like ~5 days of play but via lynches in one fell swoop. If scum actually do have a high number of unaccounted-for powers it forces them to throw them all down at once (like.... all 3 of them, woahhhhhh) and will be much easier to sort through that gradually plowing through the lynchpool.

I can actually understand you misreading my suggestion as sheer disdain at gamestate and a desperate attempt to get out but I actually am pretty sure it's also optimal :0

you are just killing a bunch of town, though

you don't know who titus added to the d2 team, yes? you don't know what powers they have. you don't know if mathblade is scum.

the "PoE" is huge, filled with lynchbait and unlikely to contain all scum. if it does we will win this game anyway. if it doesn't, we're handing scum a loadfuck of kills.

[Toranaga]

I'll play it boring and optimal instead of YOLOing because people feel like it.

[Toranaga]

Vote Toranaga as your d6 leader

Believe the Bushido code

[Toranaga]

Even if all scum are in the PoE, stalling days to lynch the PoE one by one is gonna be a pretty painful experience.

good for you you're not even playing at all then

I am, but I'm more into killing scum rather than setup speccing.

nobody needs to speculate on the fucking setup

the setup is open

the abilities are open

arguing mechanics is not setup speccing

[Toranaga]

creature isn't doing jack shit this game btw

he provided 0 interesting thoughts and this is unlikely his town game

[Toranaga]

A pile of the people in that town pool have BP. Then there's at least me with doc and self BP in play as well. How are they going to exclusively shoot at the town block again?

Why not set up a Vig-situation here with Drixx? For arguments sake we:

(replace "Sando" with "very TRd person who doesn't have other things to do with their powers")
1) Give Sando Bomb N5
2) Drixx Doc's Sando N5 (it's a night only action I think?)
3) Sando bombs X on D6, we don't pre-announce this (bomb is anytime action correct?)
4) Echo shouldn't be able to happen since they have to submit it overnight and they don't know the target (echo is night only correct?)
5) If there was no kill N5 then decent chance Sando was target and we can decide whether to go through with plan or not

This minimises the risks while giving us a day-vig,

I think

.

that's a smart plan, but there is the risk of echo. scum can echo you at night and dayvig town the next day whenever you trigger. remember echo is night only, but so is the bomb. the bomb can be "triggered" by day, but it's "activated" as a night action. so yeah I think the mechanics are fair, except scum does get to echo.

the workaround to all the problems we have is to only give powers to people we ultimately trust. that's a good idea btw, very different from the multiple sui bombs one because we're trusting what seems to be town (you) with it, instead of POE'd down people.

[Toranaga]

drixx is town because drixx was against bombing

and because drixx used BP on n3

yes those are thin reasons

but I'm right

[Toranaga]

that's a smart plan, but there is the risk of echo. scum can echo you at night and dayvig town the next day whenever you trigger. remember echo is night only, but so is the bomb. the bomb can be "triggered" by day, but it's "activated" as a night action. so yeah I think the mechanics are fair, except scum does get to echo.

Actually this is wrong, Bomb can be activated as a day action, and when you do that it just counts against your next night's superpower usage, so long as you're not negated or hit a negated target that shouldnt matter, Power Echo DOES NOT last into the next day phase like most of the other BS counters scum can have, so that might be viable.

oh my god really?

that'd be fantastic

ok we have a dayvig now

[Toranaga]

I'm trusting sakura on nero cain so I'm fine voting it as leader but I do think we have townier people than katsuki's slot

just my 2c

I'm not saying vote me but vote me

[Toranaga]

I'm trusting sakura on nero cain

Is there anything that you feel that I've done that's scummy?

I really think drixx is town. I don't know the guy, maybe he is playing us, but the way he posts never looks like anything else. so you pushing him is a little odd to me cause we certainly don't see eye to eye, and I absolutely hated that bombing plan once I understood it, and I don't like that you liked it. we're not seeing things similarly and that's about all I can say about your slot. I don't think you've been scummy.

[Toranaga]

So, you’re set on 4 but unsure on a 5th?

Half right.
Im basically going down via my strength of TRs on the town block, and im unsure on who to put as 5th, i did submit someone, but i kind of idk

I'd trust you if you didn't even put anyone as the 5th as well btw but I guess it's better safe than sorry when it comes to these things