Mini Normal 2030: Day 8

[Mister Rogers]

My point was that they are "saving a NK" for something else instead which is to their benefit. That's how I think as scum, where will my NK's be allocated and on which days and how does that affect the game on the following days.

[Mister Rogers]

I am pretty sure the driving force was FL's WIFOM setup speculation which fueled thast wagon before he jumped on it.

[Mister Rogers]

B Faction votes made the wagon.

[Mister Rogers]

Certain individuals in the B Faction decided that it didn't matter that the Worst claiming environment indicated that the player was scum but that THEIR PERSONAL READS on the player were more important and the same thing on the Crimson claim which had none of these defects. The town did nothing to stop it, some of us went along with it but that wagon was in the scums' best interests this day. What you do not factor in is the fact that player is already scummy by definition, otherwise they wouldn't be at L-1 with intent. Therefore it is the claiming environment which must be examined.

[Mister Rogers]

I'm just waiting for the flip before i begin my personal war towards the scum on that wagon...

[Mister Rogers]

I think all the replaces at the last moment, although very good for the game state as a whole, were very disruptive and confusing. I think that scum can be clearly identified in that period and I think that whole replace section of the day should be closely reviewed.

PEDIT: You speaking to me because what I said is already simple and besides you're no simpleton, right?

[Mister Rogers]

Worst -- Cannot be lynched because Town PR D1
Crimson -- Has to be lynched because of WIFOM setup spec based on unconfirmed claims

Check out the people that pushed both those arguments and you will not only find hypocrisy but you will find scum.

[Mister Rogers]

When he DOESN'T flip scum you had better NK me because:

[Mister Rogers]

Like I said, you do whatever you want sir.

[Mister Rogers]

@Light: If you look to right before the Masons' claim, you will see that Creature was already clearly the leading favorite for the day's lynch. At that point, it was OBVIOUS that Creature would be lynched.

[Mister Rogers]

I was only speaking to Light because of a previous post. I didn't say anything else. I want to catch the scum on the Crimson wagon. I disagree with all the setup speculation and so all pleas to that logic simply fall on deaf ears.

[Mister Rogers]

I think Profii had the best advice on the matter, I can link it if you don't have the post already.

I simply think the following: Kill the Doc during the day and kill whomever you want at night.

[Mister Rogers]

Amazing all what happened in 129 pages, like massive landscapes....

Goodnight.

[Mister Rogers]

The three pillars of D1 are the TWO wagons of Crimson and interactions with Naomi Tan.

Therefore (what we must assume is) the two remaining scum reside in:

Gamma, NM, Performer

I would assume that people from this list will attempt to get me lynched, I would simply ask that you please not assist them.

Also, for your consideration:

I hope night 1 will be interesting, I feel blind right now.

Of course this is not the Cop.

Furthermore, I have been requested by my now deceased neighbor to post about how Profii is scum. Of course everyone here already knows Profii is town and besides I don't want to be Mod killed and so:

@Mod: Can I post a portion of a post made in the Q/T if the post information itself is not included?

Catching up to the morning shenanigans...

[Mister Rogers]

Ok caught up. I am perfectly willing to lynch NM btw but I wish we could just lynch Gamma. Look how crafty he is being.

Anyway:

Vote: Not Mafia

Worst buddied NT so hard. Obvscum-chainsaw.

[Mister Rogers]

Btw none of us needed a "GS" to tell us that LE didn't have a gun. We allready knew that!

[Mister Rogers]

Btwm, RE: Gamma, would a player of Gamma's skill bus NM?

[Mister Rogers]

@Gamma: Would you bus NM?

[Mister Rogers]

[Mister Rogers]

the mafia having a gs means [snip]

And who said the mafia losers have a GS?

[Mister Rogers]

I am pretty much down for any of the three listed and any votes for those three are pro-town. I will look closely at each of them when off of work tonight.

[Mister Rogers]

I did the wagonomics on Profii, he isn't scum for his VERY early interactions with the Crimson wagons.

[Mister Rogers]

@Almost: I played in a game where I caught 3 scum in a row but I ALMOST missed the 4th one because he BUSSED both his buddies and completely threw me off the track. Only a game anomaly allowed me to catch my oversight and lynch the last scum. If I was scum in this position when the chips were down, I WOULD bus a buddy if it meant allowing me to live on further days.

[Mister Rogers]

I mean I would only bus if my partner was drawing down heat on us. That's why I asked about NM and if he would be a bus target for a highly skilled player?

[Mister Rogers]

You know I can't fault FL for wanting leave our "GS" alive, just in case.

Vote: Performer

This guy is clearly faking a catchup and game relevancy.

[Mister Rogers]

I am not allowed to post quotes from my Q/T which means I cannot post links that Krazy made. He has stated that Profii is scum (lol of course not) and that Gamma is town (prob not?).

[Mister Rogers]

@Performer: Who do we lynch today and why (reasons)?

@NM: Who are your scum candidates for today and what are the reasons behind your decisions concerning them?

@Gamma: If you had the ability to lynch your top scum suspects today, who would they be and what is the most compelling reason for voting each of them?

[Mister Rogers]

True story: I was thinking to myself, "If scum are going to attack me, its going to be on the wagon analysis".

WOW. Amazing "coincidence".

[Mister Rogers]

@NM: Who are your scum candidates for today and what are the reasons behind your decisions concerning them?

Question dodge much?

[Mister Rogers]

D2 Scorecard

Not Mafia: -2 -- Terribad N1 invo, irrelevant participation
Gamma: +1 -- Excellent bus, nice response to all queries, terribad invo idea
Performer: -3 -- Who is this again?

[Mister Rogers]

I can understand voting me for the "o".

[Mister Rogers]

OK, I think my vote is good where it is. Can totally see the NM/Performer here. Far less likely is Gamma involved in it at all; I mean one extremely obvious scum and and one subtle hiding scum? No, two obvious scum pursuing their agenda, just like my last game.

I'm ok with going first but just follow up with some combination of Performer/NM. I'll be highly surprised to only see one of them as scum.

Notice the irony here:

True story: I was thinking to myself, "If scum are going to attack me, its going to be on the wagon analysis".

WOW. Amazing "coincidence".

[Mister Rogers]

You saw how Sauda was majorly, well errrm, judgmental shall we say? Didn't like Worst scum skating and went ballistic on the guy.

[Mister Rogers]

And then don't forget this:

What like Sauda will freaking never stop macro-pasting that post in my face if I don't finish this hot steaming pile of information packed mafia content. XD

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

we dont lynch PR claims day 1

[Mister Rogers]

@Not Mafia: Can you self check please?

[Mister Rogers]

[Mister Rogers]

I did the wagonomics on Profii, he isn't scum for his VERY early interactions with the Crimson wagons.

Can you list which interactions brought you to that conclusion?

1785

The actions of Profii and myself are identical regarding Crimson.

[Mister Rogers]

Sorry but I don't see it that way. There is no reason to start a lurker vote on a buddy late in the day when other options are available. I will not hold him scum because of that action.

Of course its true that I have town read him for all but the very start of the game but that is beside the point.

[Mister Rogers]

Sorry, but we both changed soon after and the reason is because he claimed Doc!

Maybe its because you weren't there at the time and really haven't read that section of the game the way it actually played out but this wasn't a casual time early in the day or even the middle of the day but this was GO TIME at the end of the day when votes mattered for lynch. I guess I should give you slack because you are a late replace in D1?

[Mister Rogers]

Why is this phrased "you need to"? This is so unnatural sounding?

[Mister Rogers]

Well anyway, I see you voted Performer which is good and I don't think your scum so, w/e.

[Mister Rogers]

Oh aha, good point. Totally missed that but it really is only something that can be understood by the person themselves and so ya that sounds more than quite genuine.

[Mister Rogers]

You are making a huge mistake. Don't throw this game with like no evidence that Profii is scum here except some kind of bizarre paranoia. Stick to the plan with NM/Performer, they each have no reason to be town and are in everybody's POE.

[Mister Rogers]

Krazy freaking vigged our Cop! If you gave me the night shot scum would have went down last night not our Cop! Nobody but FL and Me saw that.

[Mister Rogers]

Krazy freaking vigged our Cop! If you gave me the night shot scum would have went down last night not our Cop! Nobody but FL and Me saw that.

Who would you have shot? He couldn’t have know Sasha was cop.

Then why did me and FL know it? Sure, not even the scum knew it and I would have vigged from Yourself or Performer. I would have had to make a decision on what was worse somebody faking a catchup or someone not caring whether he caught up or not. In the back of my mind (because I didn't have the shot) I was thinking Performer actually.

[Mister Rogers]

Stick to the plan with NM/Performer

N_M is/was never in my plan.

Everybody saw how bad that claim was. The only reason he isn't lynched is because despite that, we cannot be 100% certain he is scum and he supposedly has a role that might be able to "help" us; I don't believe he is town GS though.

[Mister Rogers]

No because we couldn't trust each other. I couldn't tell him that Sasha was Cop and he couldn't tell me that he was going to vig him.

I already quoted his crumb that me and FL caught early D1. Its his 4th post.

[Mister Rogers]

Ya but the scum don't have to kill him N1 and they then know who the Cop is. You can see where I post in thread "I haven't given Krazy all what I know though".

[Mister Rogers]

What I told Krazy was to take the best shot he could because if he chose well, he could identify scum with the single kill. That's all I could say.

[Mister Rogers]

As it turned out both Krazy (fakeclaim) and Sasha (scumcrumb) were in my PoE list so even though it was a horribad vig, it worked out quite well anyway.

[Mister Rogers]

@Mod: I have my vote on Performer.

Vote: Performer

Oops not sure how I noted that down wrong. Fixed!

[Mister Rogers]

I am having serious problems understanding this post, so let's pick it apart because I feel like am back in geometry class in high school again...

It’s a bit weird that someone noticed I was messing about with cop references - which got spotted as I was quite blatant about

Ok so here you are clearly making reference to Almost who wants to vote you because you made (?)fake cop claims(?), right?

You spotted a sash crumb which almost no one spotted

Ok however, here you are making reference to myself spotting Sasha's crumb.

But you didn’t say in the PT

Ok, so again still talking about ME here...

- well one of Sash / prof is lying

So like Sash is dead and like how did Prof get into this equation all of a sudden?

[Mister Rogers]

Learning moment: clearly Flavor Leaf and Mister Rogers saw that this was a crumb:

What made you know that it was a crumb for a power role? What made you know that it was a cop crumb?

Once you get experience with crumbing, you know that people will make it kind of cryptic to avoid being noticed by a casual glance BUT be definitely obvious to anyone examining it directly (in case the player should get wagoned and need to prove his claim).

Now here he makes reference to NIGHT ONE -- this is clearly where town power roles will operate and then says that he "feels BLIND" -- clearly referencing SIGHT (i.e. a cop peeking) and "RIGHT NOW", meaning that when N1 hits, he will no longer be blind. Again, this looks like "normal townie frustration" to the casual reader but is a clear crumb to anyone looking for it.

[Mister Rogers]

LOL. I think someone has been :drunkposting: again...

[Mister Rogers]

Oh aha -- I got it -- this is a syntax formatting thing!

Ok, so here let me translate:

Why didn't I make a big deal of your "obvcrumbing" and Sasha's genuine looking crumb?

First of all, you already admitted in thread that those were BS right? And they occurred before I even entered the game right?

But second of all, even if that were true, why would I trust that information to scum in the Q/T?

[Mister Rogers]

Scummy twitchy or towny twitchy

It'a my first game outside of a newbie setting. How does a twitchy act?

But this is the 4th post

How is that a cop crumb

Its Sasha's ISO #4.

Just like with FL who "claimed vig" people also "claim cop" as a joke and so I seriously gloss stuff like that over, I mean I have seen these jokes so much, I simply move past them. Besides you're this big reaction test gu, right? I mean it makes sense you would do that too. :shrug:

On the recent convo you quoted, I thought it referenced something previously discussed earlier in thread and I remember how FL "claimed vig" a couple of times so...

[Mister Rogers]

POP QUIZ!

So, NM for 100% of your score on this test,

Who are you peeking for us tonight?

[Mister Rogers]

Dang Gamma, any comments on this?

[Mister Rogers]

I will add a comment which is that my personal choice would be Gamma for peeking. I think everyone wants someone from their own PoE to be peeked. FL isn't on my PoE, so...

[Mister Rogers]

I consider both FL & Creature chiefly responsible for lynching Crimson and so I don't see how its possible for them to tie themselves together so obviously while bussing their buddy when it wasn't necessary.

[Mister Rogers]

I mean let's talk about scum FL OTT defending Manatee to the point that people couldn't help question his alignment over it. So we are supposed to believe he is doing this as scum when a simple bus would be far more beneficial, easier and without risk? No, the reason was because it was his Mason buddy.

[Mister Rogers]

So there is no reason anyone should be scum reading FL or Creature and therefore no reason to peek them.

[Mister Rogers]

NT is also eliminated from the list. Nobody is scum reading her from her performance D1.

Therefore the peek list will be:

(Myself, Gamma, Peformer, Profii, About)

Since we will be lynching from this list, one of those names will be removed. I think its possible to further refine this list by agreement amongst all town members but the peek cannot be outside that list.

[Mister Rogers]

I believe the criteris is: "The scummiest person not being lynched" which is why I have chosen Gamma.

[Mister Rogers]

Hey FL, I found your alt:

[Mister Rogers]

and it's between nm & rogers.

Rogers only claimed neighbour with Krazy, and Krazy ( a flipped townie) confirmed it!

That doesn't clear me. I could still be scum if the neighbor claim is the only criteria. If you read my play carefully however, there is no way I can be scum. I can make my town case very well, to the point that its like intellectually impossible I am scum.

[Mister Rogers]

Gamma is playing a very good game here on D2 and it will be hard to accept that he is scum with either NM or Performer.

[Mister Rogers]

Btw, on NM:

If he doesn't peek from the list given, he will be immediately auto lynched on the following day.

[Mister Rogers]

One thing I CAN say though. If I was scum Sauda and I had scum buddies of Worst/Crimson, I would be bussing with the slightest hint of any pressure on either slot. There is no way a lynch would be going down without me on a leading position. They both are horrendous active lurkers but Worst is just like an expert at it as either alignment.

[Mister Rogers]

Oh ok. LOL ya.

On Sauda-Worst, I think the fakeclaim was deliberate and orchestrated in the Q/T. Sauda was just looking for any excuse to trigger it and Frank provided it.

[Mister Rogers]

But of course I claimed "Town Neighbor" which WOULD be a fake claim if I was "Scum Neighbor".

[Mister Rogers]

I don't think he is "no scum" but I feel the hopeless position he is in and I fell bad for him for that reason.

[Mister Rogers]

OH LOL. I misread that! LOL. YOu said "SO scum" lol.

[Mister Rogers]

@Mod: Once again I am on Perfomer Ma'am!

Vote: Performer

[Mister Rogers]

Like the Mod keeps wanting me to vote Gamma for some reason >.<

[Mister Rogers]

@Mod: I have my vote on Performer.

Vote: Performer

Oops not sure how I noted that down wrong. Fixed!

My spreadsheet was auto-completing pernicious parrot when I typed PER instead of Performer :/

[Mister Rogers]

No you dinent!

[Mister Rogers]

I think your vote history on Profii is a bit shallow.

[Mister Rogers]

It means that you are charcterizing his voting history to suit a predtermined scenario. He didn't unvote Crimson because "the bus was over", he unvoted because Crimson claimed Doc.

Furthermore, the fact that Profii spreads his votes and suspicions around is not a scummy behavior -- its a genuine sign of town not knowing alignments; town truly seeking the truth and it has been consistent in D1 and D2 so it is not a feigned behavior AFAICT.

Take a look at your pred's stilted voting behavior and that's far more unnatural, like arrogant scum actually.

[Mister Rogers]

Not that I am complaining or need the VC changed or anything but I DID vote Performer prior to LE, just sayin' for the record.

Your subsequent vote posts were counted as the most recent in the VC, but you'll find that the vote records in the first post of the game to have tracked the vote history and timing.

...I really hope people have been looking at that because I have put many hours of my life into what I thought would be useful ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

[Mister Rogers]

Not that I am complaining or need the VC changed or anything but I DID vote Performer prior to LE, just sayin' for the record.

Your subsequent vote posts were counted as the most recent in the VC, but you'll find that the vote records in the first post of the game to have tracked the vote history and timing.

...I really hope people have been looking at that because I have put many hours of my life into what I thought would be useful ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

Well Ma'am, not to let you down or anything but you are definitely doing yeowoman's work for the POTENTIAL usefulness,

at the very least

. I think that should make you very happy and proud.

[Mister Rogers]

Your linking each vote in the VC is EXTREMELY USEFUL!

[Mister Rogers]

I think its because she bussed Crimson...?

[Mister Rogers]

Really? Do you think the town will go off the tracks with paranoia D3 so that we must peek Profii? Because if that's will allow us to remain focused, then let's do that.

[Mister Rogers]

I didn't get a result

Vote: Not_Mafia

[Mister Rogers]

Welcome to Tinfoil Hour with Mister Rogers!

Todays make believe story revolves around how Almost & Creature are scum and they decide to capitalize on FL's read confidence on Creature (I truly believe he's town as well) by NK-ing him and then stating that scum would never do that "effectively clearing" Creature.

During the night, I had the distinct thought that Almost sounded like scum telling me what is wrong with my town reads. Anyone know what I am talking about there.

I believe Almost is town by at least VCA (weakest of that type of read) and I will need to review Frank's interactions with NT again...

[Mister Rogers]

I didn't get a result

Vote: Not_Mafia

Bad vote. N_M isn't getting lynched in this game. (Why would scum claim to have not received a result? He could have said he checked FL like he said he would).

Because if he is scum, every read is more information for us and he avoids having to be on record? Besides, I never believed his claim anyway and nobody in this town should either.

[Mister Rogers]

Also, N_M could have returned a guilty on Creature, which would have meant we lynch them BOTH, i.e. that was a guaranteed mislynch for scum in FL if Creature was flipped first.

N_M gets lynched before any more productive player.

PEDIT: Hello? They are effectively the same thing!

[Mister Rogers]

Why wouldn’t your reaction be “wtf lynch all liars”

Mine would be, but I'm not experienced enough to know if that's how things generally go.

Not_Mafia claims to have gotten no result. Other than being role blocked, what else would return no result?

(I think scum might)

[Mister Rogers]

Sorry I am at work and out of the convo flow. Let me just read while the adults talk.

[Mister Rogers]

Scum!FL wasn't gonna fakeclaim mason to save town!me.

QFT but how did you know that he wasn't scum gambitting and wouldn't you have to call him out on it? I mean I think I would have hard a hard think and said, "Look town, I can't accept this because FL could be scum gambitting" and spilled the beans.

However, as scum you would already KNOW that FL was town and wouldn't have that paranoia...

Vote: Creature

This literally flies in the face on my strong townread on your slot.

[Mister Rogers]

P.S. FL was shot partially because he was the "confirmed townie" blocking the lynch of N_M. It also severely weakens the town block and profii (and his p) can now shade you too, not to mention trying to lynch me.

This is NK analysis which is mega scummy.

[Mister Rogers]

I am at work and cannot keep up with you guys. I will leave my vote on Creature but I do not want to lynch because I need to really catch up and think.

Right now my instincts are screaming that Almost is scum here and that he has successfully fooled us into a t/r of his slot.

As I said I need to do a full game analysis and make a decision on each slot from a fresh perspective that includes all posts.

[Mister Rogers]

HOWEVER, scum would NOT shoot FL in that case. It really really doesn't benefit Scum!Creature to shoot the guy he's claiming Masons with. If Creature was EVER flipped FL was a

guaranteed

mislynch.

As I have already pointed out, this is horse crap. Since you did this on another argument concerning NM, I think its just the way that you think because you obviously can
't be scum with both of them (assuming a setup with 3 scum).

[Mister Rogers]

What are the odds Crimson is getting double bussed in VC 1.11?
Townflips on Krazy, Sashadin, Flavor, Saudade
So my lynch pool for the day is:
Gamma
Almost50
Not_Mafia

That's where I'll focus reading anything.

Both scum not bussing seems possible, which makes odds even better, but seems super duper unlikely both other scum were bussing at that point.

Anything wrong with this logic I'm missing by not reading 138 pages?

Can you explain why scum WOULDN'T double bus? I would consider any late entries on the wagon to be suspicious, sure but I don't see why both scum couldn't be on the wagon?

[Mister Rogers]

VC1

Crimson97 (7)

- Naomi-Tan, Creature, Almost50,

Performer

, Flavor Leaf

, Not_Mafia, Light Ethos

Naomi-Tan (1)

-

Crimson97

Performer (2)

- Gamma Emerald , Mister Rogers

Mister Rogers (1)

- profii

profii (1)

- Krazy 2987
UNVOTE/Not Voting (1) - Sashaddin

VC2

Performer (Saudade) (6)

- Flavor Leaf

, Almost50, Light Ethos, Mister Rogers, profii, Not_Mafia

Not_Mafia (2)

- Gamma Emerald , Creature

profii (1

) -

Performer

UNVOTE/Not Voting (1) - Akarin

Don't forget there are TWO wagons on Crimson...

[Mister Rogers]

Who did mafia roleblocker roleblock N1?

there is no "Mafia" Roleblocker. I am the TOWN Roleblocker, and >I< blocked N_M last night to verify once and for all that he was indeed a GS. If he had given a result (either way) on ANYONE he would have been caught in a lie and I would have drove his lynch myself. Since he says he didn't get a result I know he has a check for real, and it was blocked by me, so he's telling the truth.

I also had expected him to be NK'd as a Town GS, but his survival could be a scum plot to drive the lynch on him anyway, and especially so if >

LE

< was the scum Doctor, in which case flipping N_M would make LE look even better (having been checked by the Town GS).

My scum team is profii+LE, but I'm not as confident on the latter.

I apologize for not reading this on my first read through, I was obviously rushed due to work.

Do you mind if I ask who you blocked on N1 (or was this answered already)?

[Mister Rogers]

Btw, on N1 I blocked Sasha (since I was very suspicious of him and no one else was, so I deduced he might be the one to do the NK).

[Mister Rogers]

Vote: Unvote

[Mister Rogers]

Theory 1: Almost RB claim accepted

Town

Almost50
Not_Mafia
Akarin
Creature

Scum

Light Ethos
Gamma Emerald
Profii

Theory 2: Almost RB claim not accepted

The scum team MUST be Almost/NM (assuming 3 scum). Could Almost be brilliant scum and worked this out in the Daytalk with NM?

I choose to believe that Almost was brilliant as town RB and broke this game for town because of his N2 action.

Why wouldn’t your reaction be “wtf lynch all liars”

Mine would be, but I'm not experienced enough to know if that's how things generally go.

Not_Mafia claims to have gotten no result. Other than being role blocked, what else would return no result?

Oh, do you mean all the outed PRs got results N1 or died and weren't fakeclaiming? Is that how it went down?

We weren’t aware of any potential scum rn until N_M said his action failed

Interesting how these two posts line up as if scum is querying how in the heck NM achieved nr?? Guess who LE voted in RVS?

Gamma sheeped me again here on D3 and that is pretty bad because I was voting pretty badly...

Vote: Gamma

[Mister Rogers]

@Profii: Can you please point out your VCA where you declare that Almost is worthy of votes because I couldn't find that in my VCA?

[Mister Rogers]

So Almost, what do you think of massclaim? FL supported the idea for today?

[Mister Rogers]

I was referring to all your pushes so far today. You pushed both Creature and N_M.

[Mister Rogers]

PLEASE NOBODY VOTE GAMMA BUT ONLY EXPRESS INTENT INSTEAD BECAUSE FATBOY WILL IMMEDIATELY HAMMER HIM

[Mister Rogers]

PLEASE NOBODY VOTE GAMMA BUT ONLY EXPRESS INTENT INSTEAD BECAUSE FATBOY WILL IMMEDIATELY HAMMER HIM

[Mister Rogers]

@Profii: How is Almost scum again and you are voting for Gamma? Why aren't you voting for NM who MUST be scum with Almost?

Meh. I just realized I made a pretty big mistake because Almost could be SCUM R/B.

Oh crap this game.

Unvote

[Mister Rogers]

@Profii: You know what? I don't think there is a town R/B in this game. I think you me and LE see this?

[Mister Rogers]

I mean she called out Crimson very strongly and he ended up getting lynched and I have townread her just the same as I have you; I mean the sincere investigating?

[Mister Rogers]

I mean kinda the town "block" of you-me-you-LE-Naomi all are sincerely trying to solve this game.

[Mister Rogers]

VOTE: profii

[Mister Rogers]

@Profii: How is Almost scum again and you are voting for Gamma? Why aren't you voting for NM who MUST be scum with Almost?

Meh. I just realized I made a pretty big mistake because Almost could be SCUM R/B.

Oh crap this game.

Unvote

You were JUST saying a50 was town rn with stunning confidence
What happened to that?

Well sir, what happened was Profii pointed out to me that Almost can be SCUM R/B and when I think about the setup the way I IMAGINE that it is, I don't think there is room for a Town R/B but there is definitely one for a Scum R/B which would pretty much confirm N/M as town, actually.

My vote on you was for pressure in my PoE more than anything else. I think you are a skilled player but I don't see anything but "reactive" play? I mean I would like to see a solve post from you?

[Mister Rogers]

(obviously if NM-Almost are gambiting scum team well OK but that's the only other possibility if Almost is Scum R/B).

[Mister Rogers]

I’ve mostly been complacent because you’ve been doing a lot of lifting
But I’m mildly concerned about the possibility of you being scum rn so I’ll probably do my own work at some point

Sure I have heard this that I am "town leader" and now you say I am "heavy lifter" but really I think we all qualify as that to the degree that we each participate. Coasting along in my shadow is a bit suspicious actually and it really has been going on for two days. The only thing you have done "on your own" this game is vote NM at the beginning of D2?

[Mister Rogers]

If you look I think a few posts down, I mention the three missing people in rapid fashion and where they end up.

I was just about to post a town "block" post with the new PoE and put Creature in there as well. I said Almost would end up A list but I actually think he is B and due to my own small setup spec, I think he is scum R/B. I think he needs lynching for this actually. Just trying to see if anyone else is thinking along the same lines that I am.

Crimson's posts all rubbed me the wrong way except for his initial push on Manatee which sounded really good but ended up being scum fluff (cardboard cutouts like the rest of his ISO).

[Mister Rogers]

And again, as I stated at the time, its not a "town-scum" list, its a perspective list.

[Mister Rogers]

I am serious about my theory that Almost is scum R/B:

Vote: Almost50

[Mister Rogers]

*Sigh* I guess that confirms Creature as TOWN. Scum!Creature wouldn't shoot his fake Mason buddy now.

But GDI! That changes everything regarding our setup spec. I dunno where to go from here tbh.

Just for public consumption, I hetted this post every time I read it. I het the scum "mourning the NK" tone it has and the syripy sweet assumptions it makes that it is town and is so confused.

[Mister Rogers]

I mean this reads "faked emotion, faked town engagement".

[Mister Rogers]

My scum team is profii+LE, but I'm not as confident on the latter.

I am simply not accepting this push.

[Mister Rogers]

I think a roleblocker stops a gunsmith incase N-M goes rogue

This makes so much sense! I was asking myself, "Why is N_M still alive?" A great answer: "Because scum roleblocked him!".

[Mister Rogers]

The Cop is dead. The Vig is dead. If it was me+N_M then the town has no living PRs.

Does anyone recognize how this assumption is somewhat condemning or am I the only one?

[Mister Rogers]

Like, Rogers.. IF YOU ARE TOWN you've just managed to put your name on the same list as Eragon, Alonzo & Espeonage (although I'd put Espeo a notch higher, actually). This is a list of player I should always ignore, and if I ever roll Vig in a game they're playing then I would shoot them on N1

even if they were confirmed IC.

You seem to be in the habit of making these "air-tight" arguments based on scum meta (i.e. "why would I/someone do this as scum") that amount to WIFOM and then you want to use out of game consequences as the hammer for defending these arguments. I should reply in kind but I don't go personal in a gaming environment.

I think you're scum RB trying to railroad the town and I support this theory with reasons. What is so wrong with this theory and why are you over-reacting about it?

Busy at work. Will catch up tonight.

[Mister Rogers]

What is so wrong with this theory

I already explained it over and over again. You can reread what I said if you like, but I'm not gonna waste my time retyping what I already had posted before.

Good well then I will let the town weigh in on why there should be no room here for a town R/B.

[Mister Rogers]

LE is widely town read and we should not allow Almost to railroad this town with this bad lynch. I find this lynch choice ESPECIALLY BAD and LE should NOT be wagoned here. If my alignment is tied to LE then go ahead and lynch me but the fact that Almost has chosen to wagon LE raises MASSIVE alarm bells and the town should not help him here.

[Mister Rogers]

People need to stand back and see how bad this is. I am saying lynch your claim because its a scum claim as it is not possible that there can be a town R/B. That's totally different.

[Mister Rogers]

Vote:Unvote

I have made a mistake somewhere. Either Almost is town R/B or the powers that be have decided to let him live another day for some reason.

Therefore, it makes sense to address Profii's idea of at least identifying Almost's partner, if he is scum and he expressed it as a choice between Gamma or Creaure. Both slots are playing as null_scum at the moment but Creature wasn't doing that until recently today. In reviewing Creature's play regarding FL several times, I have come to understand that this was entirely a play done by FL with the express understanding that Creature was town and therefore he wouldn't blow the gambit apart but ride it out, avoiding a double mislynch. What I have also realized is that this means that Creature!scum's hand would be forced into riding it out as well so that the whole thing is working out as null/AI anyway. Therefore it comes down to trusting FL's read on Creature and my own read on Creature, which is in both cases, town; I choose to trust FL in this matter.

That leaves a scum team of Almost/Gamma, if almost is scum.

What other scum teams am I willing to entertain?

The only other slot that I can hold as scum besides the two named above is N_M and therefore THIS GAME HINGES ON THE RB CLAIM BY ALMOST. MY THEORY IS THAT THERE CANNOT BE A TOWN RB HERE BUT THE POWERS THAT BE HAVE NOT ENTERED THIS THREAD TO DECLARE SO. EITHER THE POWERS THAT BE ARE TACITLY LYING OR THE POWERS THAT BE ARE SCUM.

I will try this again:

Vote: Almost

PS As scum have entered this thread as resplacements, they have no idea wth I am talking about which is as it should be.

[Mister Rogers]

I managed to cruise for 5 game days winning the game single handedly, because most players thought I wouldn't claim an existing Mafia role).

If you claim today as scum, you can get yourself town cred if we buy it.

N_M does NOT have to be scum here.

[Mister Rogers]

@Mister Rogers: If you are that sure of Almost50 being scum and only see Gamma as the possible teammate, are you about as happy lynching Gamma as Almost50?

Yup.

[Mister Rogers]

Although that is a mischaracterization. I hold scum in (Almost/N_M/Gamma).

[Mister Rogers]

Ok I am scik of this.

I'm not a VT, but my role is only as valuable as the trust I have in the game.

Now either this was BS and you are scum or its not and About is scum, so which is it?

[Mister Rogers]

Town is OP? There is no room for a town R/B but scum assumed that everyone is VT and didn't know of your claim.

PEDIT: ...

[Mister Rogers]

D2 Scorecard

...
Gamma: +1 -- ... terribad invo idea
...

Plus no townie replace/activity since D1.

Vote:Gamma

[Mister Rogers]

Vote Count 1.10

Crimson97 (3) -

Naomi-Tan #1134

,

profii #1690

,

Mister Rogers

doughboy

#1766

Obviously I am town here, because of wagonomics (Wagonomics Defense [tm]).

[Mister Rogers]

[Mister Rogers]

So who hasn't claimed yet?

If no one else is going to push for this, here's my suggested order:
1. Gamma
2. Profii
3. Mr. Rogers
4. Akarin
5. Creature

Did I miss anyone, anyone care enough to disagree?

Setting up lynch orders prior to night results is quite scummy; i.e. setting up chain mislynches. Everyone should contribute their lynch pool and we agree on a top scum for today. Tomorrow we reevaluate.

My scum popol is: [Gamma, NM, Almost] and so I am more than fine with Gamma for the reasons I stated.

[Mister Rogers]

There seems to be something wrong with my pool based on claims here, which makes Gamma the best choice but also lets me know that there is at least one scum that is playing a danged good game. Like I said, tomorrow I re-evaluate.

[Mister Rogers]

Ya I agree lol.

OK sorry thanks for clarifying.

Gamma has not claimed, Profii has not claimed, I have claimed,

So that means its Gamma, Profii, You, Creature

Well I can't disagree. Alot of thought has been put into that list.

[Mister Rogers]

This will end the day shortly. If we do not intend that, please take the vote down and express intent because Fatboy will hammer.

[Mister Rogers]

Creature has not claimed btw...

[Mister Rogers]

Neaither has Naom--Akarin...

[Mister Rogers]

I am not the pne that placed that final vote. I realize that it will end the day shortly and PERSONALLY I am OK with that but I am not the whole town, just one person.

[Mister Rogers]

I just want to make sure that you know what you are doing.

[Mister Rogers]

The proper claim order was AK first, then Creature.

[Mister Rogers]

I am voting Gamma because:

1) No independent thought or play except to bus NM from the first post of D2 -- i.e. simply scum coasting -- combine that with "I am not going to catch up to this thread but will play from today onward" and well we see that "today onward" simply hasn't happened.

2) PoE. Everyone else is town in my book except for NM & Almost and they have this especially weird claim dynamic going one that gives me great pause.

[Mister Rogers]

Guess what?

[Mister Rogers]

Full gamestate analysis of all remaining players -- FULL GAME HISTORY -- incoming once I am off work. I am SICK of all the BS where at least one of my townreads is scum this game.

Let's analyze each player, their potential to be town or scum and re-examine this thing from the ground up.

[Mister Rogers]

We don't give a crap about your "policy lynch" -- we asked you about who peeked and the freaking results.

[Mister Rogers]

Then walk alone at the end of a rope and I suggest everyone join me in voting this joker. Either he reveals or gravity will force him out.

Vote: Not_Mafia

[Mister Rogers]

Vote: Unvote

[Mister Rogers]

Ok, we have LE with no gun and Profii with no gun. Let't just lynch NM ftw?

[Mister Rogers]

LE is going to come out with a scum team POE list and I will be doing one myself with reasoning here relatively soon.

PEDIT: Warning! No more votes for NL please! This will end the day because Fatboy will "hammer" it.

[Mister Rogers]

k

Vote: Mister Rogers

Sorry gaiz, gotta go, Fatboy orders!

[Mister Rogers]

Sorry for delay been like swamped at work and they just added a 3rd day on my schedule. Plenty of time though...

[Mister Rogers]

Ya just got off work. Gotta be throwing DOWN here relatively shortly.

[Mister Rogers]

OK I have my PoE down to the following:

Scum MUST reside in:

[AK,Pofii,LE,NM,Creature]

Sheep me!

PEDIT: Oh sorry, I thought we were policy lynching me on the advice of Fatboy

Vote:Unvote

[Mister Rogers]

Thjis SO pisses me off. Everyone that remains is a townread of mine. Well this is why I have to dig really deep on this. All the scum are playing an excellent game.

[Mister Rogers]

I incorrectly added Crimson to the Neighborhood that Krazy and Doughboy were talking about because I misunderstood Crimson's interaction with them. I care about being factually correct, so if Crimson and I were in any kind of PT together, I definitely would have asked about that interaction before posting in this thread.

LE, can you please point out where this occurred and provide any additional explanation that might help me understand it?

[Mister Rogers]

@LE: What is your read on Naomi Tan?

[Mister Rogers]

Not only have the living scum played well but they will of necessity bussed themselves in this thread.

[Mister Rogers]

Ending the day right now is not smart. I have found obvscum and I think its important to discuss it before the end of the day as well as possible partners. THAT will make it harder on the scum.

[Mister Rogers]

Yo Rogers

It’s noted that you have totally not addressed my point that you negligently opened the door for scum to lynch you for 16 hours

Also you are not even pushing that N_M would be the scum in this scenario which would negate my assertion

Yes I have ignored your point. I simply know that I am town and I knew that nobody would hammer. Its not complicated and its not important either.

Regarding obvscum, I simply need to put together all the evidence as it comes from multiple places and relates to multiple separate events. There are plenty of days left here.