Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

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Howdy, what's up?

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Howdy, what's up?

LLD is scum D;

Usually LLD isn't caught that easily and OMG IT'S AN ALISAE!

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OMG IS THAT TITUS!?!?

Hiiiiiii =D

Hi not batting 100% but I'll do what I can.

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Is there any relevant info in the past 80 pages?

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VOTE: LLD

I have my skepticism bit I think this day needs to end. Ideally before 100 pgs.

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LLD, I'm not reading 100 pages. If you're town here, why do you think you're run up. Who is scum?

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public service announcement.

as a person who mods games, pls don't replace out of a game that is over 100 pages. It becomes very hard to find replacements and your being a dick replacing at this point.
take the game slow if you need to

We're going into night.

Something I actually suggest doing is just
not reading D1.
Start fresh on D2 if you've just replaced in

Wait, someone who agrees with my philopsy?

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Vote Count 1.9

Flavor

With 25 alive, it is 13 to Lynch or No Lynch!

Lady Lambdadelta (5): GreyICE, the worst, Katsuki, Krazy, Jjh927,
the worst (4): Skygazer, PenguinPower, Pink Ball, Firebringer,
Menalque (2): chennisden, MariaR,
ankamius (2): popsofctown, Menalque,
Aristophanes (1): mastina,
Firebringer (1): Chickadee,
Jjh927 (1): Lady Lambdadelta,
mastina (1): Aristophanes,
UntrodTripod (1): Dannflor,
xofelf (1): DrippingGoofball,
chennisden (1): Iconeum,
Iconeum (1): Gamma Emerald,
PenguinPower (0):
Chickadee (0):
Krazy (0):
MariaR (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
DrippingGoofball (0):
popsofctown (0):
GreyICE (0):
Skygazer (0):
Formerfish (0):
Pink Ball (0):
Dannflor (0):
Katsuki (0):

Alisae is endorsing: Firebringer

Not Voting (4): xofelf, UntrodTripod, ankamius, Formerfish,

Deadline: Day 1 will end in 10 days, on June 17th. This is in (expired on 2019-09-17 15:00:00).

Ducky is V/LA.
Spyconeum is V/LA on Saturdays and Sundays.
Fruit Available: Neighborizor (Requested by Chickadee and Menalque)
If you have mod questions feel free to bold them in the thread with @Jingle or send them to me by PM.

I suspect at some point at or around this VC, scum made a choice to hard bus LLD. The lack of a serious CW after a wagon emerged on scum is telling. Also, Nacho dying suggests scum wants town to go in the same direction.

Given a second death, Ank's last visit should be sorted.

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VOTE: mastina

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I'm guessing the LLD selfbus train happened at her breakdown over being fake but I'm not certain of it.

The worst also is not a bad vote.

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What did mastina lie about?

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Ali, I'm not getting much further without more data unfortunately. My vote is bc I suspect Ank hid behind mastina based on her ISO. A generic hard bus doesn't tell me who hard bussed. LLD would only take a dive to either protect a scum PR or create a false impression certain ppl were town or both. Without more data, I can't reach a more solid conclusion. That's why mastina and the worst are my primary votes.

I'll skim DGB ISO.

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If DGB has been here since the start, I'd lynch there but not lead it.

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What are you seeing that suggests ank hid behind mastina?

Guess based on reading her ISzo

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Can you also ISO xofelf?

Based on xofelf early interaction with LLD and her defense of LLD after what I think was the choice to hard bus, I'd say less likely scum.

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Can you also ISO xofelf?

Based on xofelf early interaction with LLD and her defense of LLD after what I think was the choice to hard bus, I'd say less likely scum.

LLD probably has 1-2 scum on her wagon but not no more.

Strongly disagree. LLD is widely regarded as an elite player and has no counter wagon on day 1.

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Can you also ISO xofelf?

Based on xofelf early interaction with LLD and her defense of LLD after what I think was the choice to hard bus, I'd say less likely scum.

LLD probably has 1-2 scum on her wagon but not no more.

Strongly disagree. LLD is widely regarded as an elite player and has no counter wagon on day 1.

yes because I was shoving it down people’s throats and not allowing anything else to come up.
If anything, the bus is on the tail end.

Alisae, sheer force of will, even from conftown does not always prevent counters. The bus might be on the end. That I wouldn't know exactly. I just am pretty sure we should find at least 3 scum on LLD's wagon. (I believe there's 7 total right?).

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Alisae, we'll agree to disagree and let things play out. I need more data to test.

Pops, that's not a hard quota, just an expectation.

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Join me on mastina then?

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It better be a good one because my initial review is that I really don't care to go there.

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I think I'm never voting GreyICE this game.

Not unless we get some damning info on him that gets confirmed and he is in lylo with 2 confirmed townies.

But if he's in LyLo with 2 confirmed townie, we've met the town win condition and Jingle calls the game.

I think you missed the point. The situation that I would vote grey doesn't exist. Grey is town after that push on lld.

Unless you think that scum grey torpedoes his own wife for town cred.

He secretly desires a divorce.

Not a funny joke

But I wouldn't put it past Grey!scum but bigger fish to fry.

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Heeeeyyyy

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I actually don't like FF. Tone sounds fake.

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The kill is like a red arrow blazing at DGB

I think mastina would make that kill too.

You're awesome too. I still don't trust you 100% this fame.

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The kill is like a red arrow blazing at DGB

I think mastina would make that kill too.

You're awesome too. I still don't trust you 100% this fame.

Well, help me bus all my buddies then

This is why I'm not going to push you atm. It'll sort itself.

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Opt in.

Opposite of Modfather is.... Godmother. I'm you're Fairy Godmother, making all your bad joke wishes come true.

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VOTE: DGB

My gut feels weird like it's a trap but I don't have the time to sort it out. Best to lynch the claimed scum and move on.

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Wait can you even roleblock a roleblocker or is that like a Jedi trying to kill a Jedi or something

Natural Action Resolution. You can.

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I should be better next week. I know I'm dragging.

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Ali, I will have to do a lot of catch up.

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If you could direct me towards events that really need sorting, that would be awesome.

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VLA For like 2 weeks, just got a concussion yesterday and need to do a brain break which includes reduced screentime

Take care Gamma.

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@Chickadee, I'll focus there.

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Please don't claim scum again anyone. I legit can't deal with that. I'll just lynch and ask questions later.

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Dannflor did you scumslip in the neighbor PT?

I see you.

read kill flavor

Flavor's not supposed to mean anything. :/

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Can we back up and explain the vig situation to me like I am 5?

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Can we back up and explain the vig situation to me like I am 5?

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Can we back up and explain the vig situation to me like I am 5?

there is a vig running around and they (judging by kill flavor), shot nacho n1 and n2 shot chickadee
boom
explained

Are we sure the second vig is not the scum tradeoff?

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Can we back up and explain the vig situation to me like I am 5?

there is a vig running around and they (judging by kill flavor), shot nacho n1 and n2 shot chickadee
boom
explained

Are we sure the second vig is not the scum tradeoff?

ok now explain this to me like I'm 5.

If I recall correctly, accepting Pine's gifts has a tradeoff for scum. Perhaps the second NK is that. Perhaps we aren't looking for a vig at all.

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Can we back up and explain the vig situation to me like I am 5?

there is a vig running around and they (judging by kill flavor), shot nacho n1 and n2 shot chickadee
boom
explained

Are we sure the second vig is not the scum tradeoff?

ok now explain this to me like I'm 5.

If I recall correctly, accepting Pine's gifts has a tradeoff for scum. Perhaps the second NK is that. Perhaps we aren't looking for a vig at all.

yeaaaaaaah uuuuuuuuum
this is a rabbit hole I don't want to jump into atm.

Fair enough. I need to try to sleep. Perhaps sleep will help.

Alisae, did you want to lynch SS at EoD yesterday? Did Chickadee?

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I see this fruit Ali and it's tempting as fuck. VCA level tempting. I'm literally only not asking because I don't have a strong enough scumread to overrule my inevitable lynch with.

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it'll probably be the best post restriction I've ever seen in a game. Fake or not fake tbh.

I once posted entirely in pictures.

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VOTE: FF

Tonal read for now until I get into the game.

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@Mastina, why wouldn't Pine select you and GreyIce?

You because you are an amazing scumhunter and decent scum. GreyIce because of the near wife husband/duo that would be LLD and GreyIce.

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I'm going back to bed.

You can be stoned to death? Does that work? Your tone is so far removed from the Harry Potter game that I designed my VCA off if but tbh that was years ago.

Good night again. I'll take a more serious look here tomorrow.

@Ali, how the fuck are you TRing me?

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I'm bargaining for the neighborizer Ali. I need to get caught up in this game. *nod* There's certain "cleared" people who I must work with. One to catch up. Two, to determine if they are town.

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This is a joke. I am creative or merely entertaining.

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Pine, did you miss my bargain?

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bargain: Neighborizer

I'm telling a funny joke, once my sense of humor develops.

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Just because someone believes there's an optimal strategy doesn't mean the rest of us must follow. I LOVE neighborizer, regardless of alignment. My best wins come with a neighborizer.

Pedit: Reading mastina wall and follow up posts later.

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Is there a plan in place?

Vig Fire unless he agrees his use is leashed by Alisae?

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I'm going to look at this tonight.

To my little friend, hi. I appreciate you.

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Are messages from Ali? Asking for a friend.

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Why not desperado FB?

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presumably yes he'd say exactly that

No need on a Desperado shot. If you're target is town, you die. Their role is better off hidden. If your target is scum, then your target dies.

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Here is a list Alisae:

the worst, mastina, katsuki, krazy, iconeum, pinkball, penguin

I will not govern a lynch on any of these.

Who do you want to lynch?

VOTE: Pink Ball]/vote]

Very nonplussed by his mastina vote.

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VOTE: Pink Ball

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Here is a list Alisae:

the worst, mastina, katsuki, krazy, iconeum, pinkball, penguin

I will not govern a lynch on any of these.

Who do you want to lynch?

VOTE: Pink Ball]/vote]

Very nonplussed by his mastina vote.

didn’t you want to vote mastina D2?

Yeah but a)I want a counter and b) I'm not feeling it today right now.

NPR's last post freaked me out. Could mastina be scum? Sure. She reminds me more of the Varsoona game we played together than Rogue One.

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NPR should be pb wtf.

I need to try and sleep now. When I take my friend to the dentist, then I'll be good.

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Whos NPR?

Autocorrect for pb

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Having those 2 slots resolved NOW is actually game changing.

I mean I called SS as town anyway so. Far from helpful to me given that Aristophanes's role perfectly explains his play.

He had a similar incentive I had to tryhard.

I identified him tryharding as him having something to prove and thought that could only come from scum.

Him having a role designed to die perfectly explains his tryharding and I know that all too fucking well because no fucking shit I did literally the same fucking thing, I just thought that there wasn't another role like that designed to die.

Join me on Pink Ball if you want to live.

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Alisae, I'm relooking at the start of day 2. It's revealing the mastina lynch problematic for a few reasons.

First, mastina's a claimed bodyguard. She can be effectively leashed in the current game state.

Second, mastina has been routinely ganged up on by fire, the worst, pink ball and Gamma in ways that don't feel particularly good. All of those players should be familiar with premise one.

Third, this feels like town mastina to me.

Fourth, LLD was almost certainly bussed. It might not be by the people I think but this is LLD scum we're talking about. Some of the very names pushing mastina attempted to argue the opposite conclusion.

Fifth, no one is biting on my attempts to counter wagon mastina.

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Krazy might be scum too but I feel better on PB.

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I could add pops based on his LLD reaction but it feels too bad to be scum at the same time. Lean scum.

Ali, I'm looking at the VCs to get an idea on everyone.

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Tentatively I want to say that pops might be town for LLD defense now...a shocking few flipped townies are defending LLD.

@Mastina, Look at PB please. That ISO has the same stuff you whine about with Krazy.

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I strongly feel we should flip PB, Fire or, The Worst.
Krazy, Pops, and Gamma are tier 2 reads.

The day 1 wagon on LLD feels like LLD taking a dive to protect her partner(s). Alisae suggests a Firewagon, and there's a counter on the worst. The worst feels independently scummy though as well.

Jjh actively resisted the LLD wagon even though LLD voting him was the impetus for her wagon (that's why Grey voted). Jjh wanted Fire and Krazy. In that range, LLD spends an insane amount of energy defending Fire.

Then, Fire gets the governor from Pine.

The worst MIGHT be town but should only get clearing if Fire is not a scum PR.

Fire loses his vote to get the governor...how convienent with someone studying VCA here.

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Alisae suggests a Firewagon,

Titus I was asleep the whole time LLD was being pushed.

Yeah, you were asleep the entire time a scum wagon went through...as the IC.
As the hyperposting IC
When the wagon you wanted on Fire was countered hard.
When the counterwagon target puts no effort into sorting Fire. (251 the worst says don't worry about ppl jumping on Fire, next mention is after LLD bus).

Like how could you sleep through an entire wagon unless scum wanted it to go through? You have so many posts people are complaining.

You have a theory that JJH was the scumkill night 2 and chickadee as the venge. On day 2, no one was pushing on scum. So jjh was killed for his day 1 reads. The same thing LLD chainsawed. Fire and Krazy.

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Here is a list Alisae:

the worst, mastina, katsuki, krazy, iconeum, pinkball, penguin

I will not govern a lynch on any of these.

Who do you want to lynch?

Fuck it.

VOTE: Krazy

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You have a theory that JJH was the scumkill night 2 and chickadee as the venge. On day 2, no one was pushing on scum. So jjh was killed for his day 1 reads. The same thing LLD chainsawed. Fire and Krazy.

no, my theory was that Chickadee was the vig kill because it was indicated that she was "stabbed" to death and that jjh was the scum kill because it was said that jjh was "turned into wood."
Those kills all happened on night 2.

I meant vig not venge.

Jjh being the scumkill means he was killed for his day 1 reads.

Those are Fire and Krazy.

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So jjh was killed for his day 1 reads. The same thing LLD chainsawed. Fire and Krazy.

Scumleans

DrippingGoofball

Menalque

Krazy

Scumreads

xofelf
Aristophanes

I mean, it looks to me like jjh was killed for having shitty reads

The only possible scum he had in his bottom 5 was Mena, who he does not mention at all on page 2 of his iso

Not subtle there with the green.
Xoelf/SS was widely scumread at the end of day 2. Everyone on a wagon of 3 plus was voting wrong Day 2. To argue that jjh was killed because shitty reads is disingenuous. Instead, they're shooting people before the LLD lynch.

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Those are Fire and Krazy.

You make this point twice but don't bother to check that his read flipped on Fire before the end of page 1 of his iso?

Don't need to. Jjh was captured by that point. LLD's vote on JJH was a terrible chainsaw Grey discovered.

Looking at day 1

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Jjh was captured by that point.

What does this mean?

Agency captured. It's when a townie, although well meaning works for scum. JJH was utterly convinced LLD was town. LLD flipped scum. Prior to the LLD wagon is where we should look at Jjh reads. That's when LLD made her fatal vote.

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You have a theory that JJH was the scumkill night 2 and chickadee as the venge. On day 2, no one was pushing on scum. So jjh was killed for his day 1 reads. The same thing LLD chainsawed. Fire and Krazy.

no, my theory was that Chickadee was the vig kill because it was indicated that she was "stabbed" to death and that jjh was the scum kill because it was said that jjh was "turned into wood."
Those kills all happened on night 2.

I meant vig not venge.

Jjh being the scumkill means he was killed for

his day 1 reads.

Those are Fire and Krazy.

so, I'm having trouble understanding how you reached the bolded conclusion.
Who was shot n1 in that case?

Nacho? Ank his and died.

Nacho was likely a shoot to prevent from impacting the game.

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You have a theory that JJH was the scumkill night 2 and chickadee as the venge. On day 2, no one was pushing on scum. So jjh was killed for his day 1 reads. The same thing LLD chainsawed. Fire and Krazy.

no, my theory was that Chickadee was the vig kill because it was indicated that she was "stabbed" to death and that jjh was the scum kill because it was said that jjh was "turned into wood."
Those kills all happened on night 2.

I meant vig not venge.

Jjh being the scumkill means he was killed for

his day 1 reads.

Those are Fire and Krazy.

so, I'm having trouble understanding how you reached the bolded conclusion.
Who was shot n1 in that case?

Nacho? Ank his and died.

Nacho was likely a shoot to prevent from impacting the game.

Read the kill flavor for Nacho's death
then the kill flavor for the N2 kills.

If kill flavor is relevant, the scumkill n1 was blocked. The flavor on jjh death is roots and this whole game is about an evil forest.

I am not a big fan of kill flavor relevance but...

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@mastina stop arguing with Krazy scum and help me sort my reads.

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I strongly feel we should flip PB, Fire or, The Worst.
Krazy, Pops, and Gamma are tier 2 reads.

The only name in there I wouldn't lynch is Gamma.

Ali your thoughts here?

Also, I'd hope you'd reflect on things. It's 3 AM for the best of us. Take care of your mental health. I'm going to bed. You should too.

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Mastina, Krazy's doing the same thing I did to you in the one Varsoona game where you were an IC and worked with the unkillable Drixx/Cerb hydra. He's working you up with nonsense. Ignore him. Demonstrate your solve insead.

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Ali, bedtime. Revisit this when awake.

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PB, who is scum?

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That's a quality pagetop if I say so myself.

@ali ok I believe you, I don't see what's wrong with my push on mastina, maybe it was the timing. I'm town, hopefully I can help you realize that but for me it feels like you haven't really read my ISO and I'm doomed.

You have zero votes on you and your ISO stinks worse than your avatar shitting.

See I can shitpost too.

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I spent two hours last night theorizing an entire scumteam. I actually went through your ISO. You're hardly an easy mislynch as mastina had every vote and Ali's endorsement. Scum were sitting back.

Now you are OMGUS flailing. This "fight" has as many posts of content as most of your ISO.

Who is scum?

P-edit: You want to see why your ISO stinks. Ok.

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Spoiler: Filler in PB ISO

Whoops fucked up that quote and now it looks like you're going on through a phase

The whole scumteam is not posting while you guys scumread each other's asses, noobs.

disagree

Because of Fire daddy?

fire za waursto jjh and maybe pops

what exactly was peoples expectations for this 27 player game exactly? Like I mean really....

how is this long?

The 27 player game is not a good argument since it's only two players hyperposting, with one of them being an IC. Just sayin', not complainin', I don't mind the pace of the game, and I like Ali and you Fire daddy.

See? You both agree. Ali, townread Fire daddy

You're drinking Pine wine Alibae

Is Fire daddy the only one who qualifies to that description, Alibae?

PB, could you do some more obvtowning so I can townlock you pls

Turn around, and look at what you see
In her face, the mirror of your dreams

This reminds me of Dr. Worm not a doctor, shh

You're right pichupichu

Five hundred twenty-five thousand six hundred posts
Five hundred twenty-five thousand moments so dear
Five hundred twenty-five thousand six hundred posts
How do you measure, measure a game?

In scumreads, in towntells
In claimings, in bussing partners
In lynches, in memes
In hammers, in fights

In five hundred twenty-five thousand six hundred posts
How do you measure a mafiascum game

How about love?

Nice stuff, but got anything usefull to add there, Pinky?

How about love?

I have lots of love for you PB

Shall we get team love and wholesomeness back together for a second round of scumbusting?

How about love?

PB I love you

Omg

I feel so pretty right now

players on this list I have (I THINK I HOPE) good rapport with and didn't greet this game include but aren't limited to Gamma Ank Mastina Ari Skyg Chickadee you Dannflor Ico Krazy PP etc. etc. (latter two I haven't spoken to at all yet)

also v/la and don't have a lot of time to socialize so I've been focusing on scumhunting

I have no idea why this conversation is happening and think you are trying to shade me via a very strange expectation of how social I should be with my very limited mafia time rather than earnestly engaging with my content. if you're town I need you to fix that my friend.

Hey

LLD, Katsuki, GreyICE, Firebringer, and anyone else getting riled up

I enjoy your rage

But please de-escalate. Go to your separate corners for now

Toxicity is not welcome here

WHAT ABOUT LOVE!?

They had a recent towngame together and they are so romantic about it

I was planning on making a serious post about what happened a few pages ago, but I shouldn't talk about something I didn't really experienced myself, so I shouldn't try to make it about me and just say that I have hope that everything will be alright at the end.

We could make an appreciation page to get good vibes on this game and remember that we're all here for a reason.

Simple rules: every post on the next page has to be a compliment to the player of your choice. If someone posts something unrelated IS A BABY WITH A MOUSTACHE

Wow dude leave it for the appreciation page omg

You got me quaking pichupichu

How will you send us those sweet love letters, Ali? An arrow to the other knee?

APPRECIATION PAGE BEGINS!!

I really want to thank Ari for being such a positive fella. I don't want to live in a world where being kind is a weakness, and I believe that's not possible if we are afraid of being stepped on by others. You're clearly a brave man for opening your arms to everyone who requires it.

Thanks, Ari!

the worst, you're such a good listener. I often think that someone who knows how to listen is because they haven't felt listened themselves so they try to amend that to others who could feel the same way. I mean, I could be projecting my own self since I felt like that a lot back in the day, but having meaningful and meaningless conversations with you on and offsite has been one of the best experiences I've had since I got into mafia online.

Thanks, Tom!

too bad the food so far has been DRENCHED with teriyaki sausce
I do NOT appreciate that Panda Express D;

Leave it for the NOT appreciation page!

By the way Ali, I wrote some time ago one of those SUPP anonymous feedback to you, but since we're in our appreciation page:

You're one of the main reasons I started caring for this site. You're so passionate about this place, like with the titles people get and with the Scummies... I didn't get it at first, but I do now, and I'm really thankful for it.

Keep being chaotic, Alibae!

PB you always make me laugh

like not just the "I exhaled a little bit of air out of my nose" thing

actual laughter

you're a good human

<3 <3 <3

Merchant's daughter is one of my favourite games of all time, I had so much fun roleplaying with you. You have a great sense of humour, Dann, and most importantly, you seem to keep your feet on the ground and that's crucial in a lot of ways; it is really nice having people like you around 'cause you stay put even in stressful situations like this game tends to go sometimes.

Thanks Dancefloor, I'm hoping you ask me to dance next time

I really want to keep going but I should've gone to sleep like two hours ago please continue the appreciation page for me, guys! I'll try to come back with some more if the timing is right (like, if the game gets serious again I don't want to derail it again, I don't to force it).

And remember, if you post something off topic in the appreciation thread:

I'll try to watch it at night before going to sleep ff. How long have you been doing standup?

Five hundred twenty-five thousand six hundred posts
Five hundred twenty-five thousand moments so dear
Five hundred twenty-five thousand six hundred posts
How do you measure, measure a game?

In scumreads, in towntells
In claimings, in bussing partners
In lynches, in memes
In hammers, in fights

In five hundred twenty-five thousand six hundred posts
How do you measure a mafiascum game

How about love?

Like, you see this post? It's a fucking masterpiece. Like Ocarina of Time masterpiece. Supah Mario Bros 2 babyeeeee

For real, how about love?

You saying you loved hammering reminded me of this video for some reason, so I posted it. I do this.

I like you and your brain

Omfg

I've been staring at the edge of the water
Long as I can remember, never really knowing why

where's PB we need another appreciation page

I'm out of love. Ali drained it.

Krazy could you tell LLD I really liked her style please??

Gotta go sleep, I'm in the middle of nowhere at 3 am a little drunk and tomorrow is WOAHHHHH big day night night

5 days straight of drinking, sleep deprivation, cold as fuck bed, a long ass return to the city 'cause yeah let's all go back the same fucking day at the same time on the only functional highway we have...

Best days of my life. Huh, makes no sense to me. Ah, also, new girlfriend. She's cool. I'll meet her family in about an hour, fuck me.

Already read everything, didn't retain anything important. Only this:

Pink Ball is a friendly sort, always helping out. If a friend struggles under the weight of their pack, he is the first to come and lighten the load. His kindness and joy is infectious, and many a campfire with him has become an impromptu gathering to discuss the blessings of the guests. It is hard in his presence to feel paranoia or fear. The dread and terror of the woods break on this bastion, and it is sure that without his warmth to guide us, our spirits would have broken long ago.

This is important guys you should read it carefully (love you Jingle <3)

Firebringer
MariaR
Gamma Emerald
ankamius
GreyICE
jjh927
Dannflor
Menalque

All town, no matter what the flip is

Katsuki
Aristophanes

Town if LLD flips scum

mastina

Didn't read her long post

Ari is controversial for WKing LLD.

That's not why Aristophanes is scum, though it is something Aristophanes would do as scum.
Aristophanes is scum because of what he brings to the scumteam, the value Pine sees in Aristophanes, and what Aristophanes has done all game. What stances he's taken, what plays he's made, his tone, his content, his everything. The pushes he's made, the content he's providing, it all looks like his top-form scumgame rather than his natural towngame. Mostly, you can tell this by one simple fact;
Aristophanes this game is trying harder than he would be as town.
Yes, traditionally, Aristophanes as scum is a lurksack who does nothing; traditionally, town-Aristophanes usually does nothing for quite a bit and then ends up trying hard.

But this is an Aristophanes whose tryhardness is above and beyond the call to duty--this is an Aristophanes with something to prove, and Aristophanes as town would have nothing to prove.

Tired of mastina calling scum to players when her stance on herself and other players is "anyone is a good pick for Pine, if someone wasn't a good pick, they wouldn't be in the game". Mastina is not really playing the game. And she's actually a good pick for Pine, along with PP. Called them out on D1, they're both scum.

VOTE: mastina

These two posts are back to back mastina mentions. Yet, you're claiming I'm opportunistic.

[Titus]

Btw Titus, I assume you’re still around
You can feel free to chime into any discussion me and SS are talking about.

Later. I have to get dressed and take my meds.

[Titus]

I strongly feel we should flip PB, Fire or, The Worst.
Krazy, Pops, and Gamma are tier 2 reads.

The day 1 wagon on LLD feels like LLD taking a dive to protect her partner(s). Alisae suggests a Firewagon, and there's a counter on the worst. The worst feels independently scummy though as well.

Jjh actively resisted the LLD wagon even though LLD voting him was the impetus for her wagon (that's why Grey voted). Jjh wanted Fire and Krazy. In that range, LLD spends an insane amount of energy defending Fire.

Then, Fire gets the governor from Pine.

The worst MIGHT be town but should only get clearing if Fire is not a scum PR.

Fire loses his vote to get the governor...how convienent with someone studying VCA here.

Not to sound like a spoiled princess, but where is your scum read on me? I thought that

tonally

you had me pegged against a 4 year old meta of me?

That was a starting place, not my favorite thing to use FF. I was desperate to get started. I don't have you as locktown.

[Titus]

No. We didn't.

@Mel, Conf!town =/= conf!right.

Random note: If I am wrong on Gamma, Dann's a good choice.

[Titus]

I don't. Fireb is town

What's your opinion on the worst?

[Titus]

I don't. Fireb is town

What's your opinion on the worst?

Read my ISO

I have multiple times. What is your current opinion?

[Titus]

Pine, who would you want me hooded with if I won the neighborizer?

[Titus]

Ok, well then I'd hood with mastina, greyice, pp, ff, or SS.

:-p

[Titus]

I strongly feel we should flip PB, Fire or, The Worst.
Krazy, Pops, and Gamma are tier 2 reads.

The day 1 wagon on LLD feels like LLD taking a dive to protect her partner(s). Alisae suggests a Firewagon, and there's a counter on the worst. The worst feels independently scummy though as well.

Jjh actively resisted the LLD wagon even though LLD voting him was the impetus for her wagon (that's why Grey voted). Jjh wanted Fire and Krazy. In that range, LLD spends an insane amount of energy defending Fire.

Then, Fire gets the governor from Pine.

The worst MIGHT be town but should only get clearing if Fire is not a scum PR.

Fire loses his vote to get the governor...how convienent with someone studying VCA here.

Not to sound like a spoiled princess, but where is your scum read on me? I thought that

tonally

you had me pegged against a 4 year old meta of me?

That was a starting place, not my favorite thing to use FF. I was desperate to get started. I don't have you as locktown.

But you don't have me as scum anymore, why?

The Fire/the worst dichotomy I feel is much more informative. I also feel LLD was a hard bus to save Fire or the worst, more likely Fire.

Right now, I'm voting PB and Krazy because Fire won't govern those. I'd compromise on Dann gtmh.

[Titus]

Pine, whatcha think of my hood choices, are you not entertainedned?

[Titus]

@FF, I think your vote is very poorly placed. Join me on PB or Krazy please.

[Titus]

Titus,

How exactly was LLD bussed to protect me exactly? I wasn't in any danger of lynch day 1....
Also why do you trust that if you think I am scum I keep my word on who I will and won't govern.

That's not what the VCs tell me.

Second, the possibility of a big keeps you in line.

On a random note, everyone else in your governing pool seems to want mastina but for like 1. If you're town, that's a sign you're on the wrong wagon.

[Titus]

Titus,

How exactly was LLD bussed to protect me exactly? I wasn't in any danger of lynch day 1....
Also why do you trust that if you think I am scum I keep my word on who I will and won't govern.

That's not what the VCs tell me.

Second, the possibility of a big keeps you in line.

On a random note, everyone else in your governing pool seems to want mastina but for like 1. If you're town, that's a sign you're on the wrong wagon.

Titus, why would

I

care about being vigged.

also did u notice how mastina switched from wanting me lynched during this governing thing and went for krazy? Do you honestly think that was townie. What was her reasoning? None. She spouted a bunch of nonsense.

Mastina changed her mind because trying to lynch a governor is handing your scumread a free lynch. That being said, I can't believe you'd ever see this as Rogue One mastina. Mastina makes sense to me.

I'd call her my mason buddy but I don't do gambiting anymore.

[Titus]

Mastina changed her mind because trying to lynch a governor is handing your scumread a free lynch. That being said, I can't believe you'd ever see this as Rogue One mastina. Mastina makes sense to me.I'd call her my mason buddy but I don't do gambiting anymore

she literally said it was anti town to not lynch the scum governor. then moved when literally no one was listening to her.

I lost count of how many times I had to do that as town Titus. If we didn't have a vig, I'd agree with her.

[Titus]

Mastina changed her mind because trying to lynch a governor is handing your scumread a free lynch. That being said, I can't believe you'd ever see this as Rogue One mastina. Mastina makes sense to me.I'd call her my mason buddy but I don't do gambiting anymore

she literally said it was anti town to not lynch the scum governor. then moved when literally no one was listening to her.

I lost count of how many times I had to do that as town Titus. If we didn't have a vig, I'd agree with her.

if you agree with everything she is saying, I honestly don't know why I am talking to u.
why r u talking to me?

what gives u the impression town me or scum me is going to change his mind on this?

Two fold: I'm not 100% on anyone. I have a theory. That doesn't mean I am correct. I am open to being wrong. Second, if I am right, alienating you limits associative. Third, yelling you're confscum is not going to get you to unvote mastina.

[Titus]

nm, I have no read on u and just wanted to say hi.

I think worstie and mastina are scum pals. wanted ur thoughts but I think ur town reading worstie somewhat or at least confused on his read on u.

A worst wagon fits within my theory.

[Titus]

Two fold: I'm not 100% on anyone. I have a theory. That doesn't mean I am correct. I am open to being wrong. Second, if I am right, alienating you limits associative. Third, yelling you're confscum is not going to get you to unvote mastina.

I don't have any vote power Titus.
also wouldn't alienating me just make associations between us be the only thing limited and we both know we aren't scum together.

You'd shut down talking if I grilled hostile. Look at PB and Krazy for instance.

[Titus]

im pretty sure if u constantly grilled me id just be mocking u.

Same point. You wouldn't be open which limits my ability to find your partners through your words.

[Titus]

Fire, I have a bargain for you.

if we lynch Krazy today and he flips town, I will give you my vote wherever tmo. Your vote must be on Krazy to accept.

If you lynch mastina over my objection, you give me your vote until the end of tomorrow.

You in? Post a happy gif if you are.

[Titus]

*lynch mastina and she flips town

[Titus]

*shrug* Feel how you want.

Anyone who knows Town!Titus knows I only use tone until I get data.

[Titus]

*shrug* Feel how you want.

Anyone who knows Town!Titus knows I only use tone until I get data.

Ok, so what did you look at of mine that took me from a scum read out of your scum reads?

Lack of bussing on LE and VC positions

[Titus]

Mastina, I got your back. Let's ignore Ali and solve the game. Talk to me about the D1 VCs please. Why do you think LLD was bumrushed through?

[Titus]

Let's ignore Ali and solve the game.

bruh I wasn’t even posting for the last 9 pages or so
I’m ignoring the thread unless SS specifically needs me, or I’m @‘d

Speaking of which, if people need me, @ me and bold it.

Bad typo. I meant to type all the scum. Got distracted.

[Titus]

Mastina, I got your back. Let's ignore all the scum and solve the game. Talk to me about the D1 VCs please. Why do you think LLD was bumrushed through?

Pft

Hi.

[Titus]

Mastina isn't lynched yet I see. What a shame. I guess I need to move on

Good idea. Mastina's forced to bg conftown anyway sooo

[Titus]

1) Her claim is a lie
2) You're doing that thing you do Titus. I get you're town but don't let your judgment be clouded by dumb stuff like that.

1) Suppose that's right. Scum have to leave conftown alive in exchange. Worry if SS dies without mastina.

2) Great, then tell me what happened day one?

[Titus]

Who do you want dead now Titus? I can give you a list in return

PB and Krazy are the ones I want that can survive being goverened.

[Titus]

Fire/Mastina/PP are my 3 I want dead.
The first one is kinda just..yeah
the other 2 are legit scumreads.
I need to check in on Krazy before I give a read on that slot

Get back to me on Krazy. I want to see if Fire honors a lynch on scum.

[Titus]

*sigh* MariaR know that I'd rather no lynch than vote mastina. She's pretty town.

Did you look at crazy?

[Titus]

Vote Count 3.6

Flavor

With 18 alive it is 10 to Lynch or 9 to No Lynch!

Krazy (3): Titus, mastina, Pink Ball,
chennisden (3): Firebringer, popsofctown, Dannflor,
mastina (2): Krazy, Katsuki,
Katsuki (1): Gamma Emerald,
Pink Ball (0):
Something_Smart (0):
Menalque (0):
Titus (0):
popsofctown (0):
Firebringer (0):
MariaR (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
PenguinPower (0):
the worst (0):
GreyICE (0):
Formerfish (0):
Iconeum (0):
Dannflor (0):

Not Voting (9): chennisden, Something_Smart, PenguinPower, Iconeum, GreyICE, Menalque, MariaR, the worst, Formerfish,


Alisae endorses: FUN TIMES!

Deadline: Day 3 will end after 10 days, on October 1st. This is in (expired on 2019-10-01 20:38:00).

Pine is offering a Governor fruit. Firebringer is bargaining for it.
Pine is offering a Neighborizer Fruit. Gamma Emerald and Titus are bargaining for it.
Pine is offering a Jailkeeper Fruit. PenguinPower is bargaining for it.
Gamme Emerald is V/LA. While his head is as strong as an Emerald, it is still inadvisable to use it as his primary means of attack.

This Chennis wagon is yuck. How certain are you Dann is town?

[Titus]

Ugh then the moonlogic rules suggest pops Krazy might be a thing with Fire being town

[Titus]

Krazy needs a permanent time out because we think he's been a bad boy.

[Titus]

Krazy dying is fine I suppose? He's not obv town and the flip gives information. I'm good with it

And you're not voting because?

[Titus]

It doesn't really matter, it's just a neighborizer.

Bah!

[Titus]

Maria, what's your pops read?

[Titus]

Ali, the dynamics here are not what I expect. Please advise.

Pops, happy cake day.

[Titus]

How are you getting hard town from pops recent posting, Maria?

[Titus]

Mastina case on Krazy is all meta, right?

No.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. I need to reflect on this. The social dynamics are not what I'm expecting here.

[Titus]

Ok. Pops is scum. Krazy speculating scum doctor also doesn't sit well with me.

[Titus]

My reads are changing but I need to sleep so ta ta.

By sleep I mean do more papers. Still ta ta

I want to see your reads list when done.

@Ali, The game appears to be devolving into two camps. Agree or disagree?

[Titus]

My reads are changing but I need to sleep so ta ta.

By sleep I mean do more papers. Still ta ta

I want to see your reads list when done.

@Ali, The game appears to be devolving into two camps. Agree or disagree?

What are the sides right now?

I'll answer this if Ali wants tomorrow morning.

[Titus]

@Ali seems more like scum are closing ranks.

MariaR might be scum,not sure.

[Titus]

Closing ranks?

Being anti-bus. They are likely following certain rules I have regarding voting, which is why wagons are having trouble. All of the wagons approved by Fire are on high contention reads. We can't just lynch a lurker that's non-contributory. (Not saying that's a good idea but the threat of it is good to have.)

Krazy v Mastina has most of the town thinking there's a scum. People are avoiding their scumreads so we're getting a system where everyone is parading like a peacock to get their desired lynch but no one's listening or reaching out.

Scum have zero interest in bussing if we cannot coordinate. They divide us.

[Titus]

All of the wagons approved by Fire are on high contention reads.

I think we should just ignore the governor, and if Fire uses it we just lynch him the next day.

Not certain here.

If we did, the lynch would have to be just as valuable to solving the game.

Pops MariaR Krazy Fire PB your thoughts please?

[Titus]

Before I forget

VLA Thursday

[Titus]

Ali, I'd do the worst for VCA but I really think that flips town now.

If we're using your innate charisma and activity for a lynch, let's get on the same page.

[Titus]

VOTE: Fireb if I'm gonna vanitywagon I'm going for max style points

Yeah I think Fire might be town and pops might be wking.

[Titus]

Suppose Fire's town, what are your reads?

I think I'd be ok pushing pops here.

VOTE: Pops

[Titus]

Mastina, stop arguing with Krazy and join us on pops. Getting red blood on your hands would help change his mind more than any vote.

[Titus]

her tunnels are becoming more realistic and her self meta isn't total shit, sounds like town. has she reevaluated reads tangibly? can't be bothered checking. that's a good tell. my single reservation is ankamius not townreading her.

It's totally worth binning her as town based on the role.

[Titus]

If pops is a mislynch scum!Fire let's it through

Both Fires govern it. This is Firebringer. He's crazy.

The fire I knew wasn't that egocentric but I was gone for awhile.

[Titus]

Mastina, help me lynch pops and I'll vig Krazy if I am the vig.

You're obsessing on Krazy and it gives scum an easy route to paint you badly.

[Titus]

Can anyone not voting vote an existing wagon please? You don't even need to like the vote. We just need pressure.

[Titus]

I really see no reason for u to remotely think:

"If I die, then we shall succeed in lynching scum mastina"
vs
"if I die, we will also lynch scum mastina but that will have nothing to do with my flip so why am I cool with dying again?"

How about scum mastina isn't a thing and pops is doing AtE?

[Titus]

VOTE: Krazy

I'd also do MariaR. Her posting literally proves the thing about camps and mastina versus crazy. The whole thing makes me doubt Krazy scum but the game phase is going on too long. I need fresh eyes.

Grey, I'm not being hyperposty. Can you help us out?

[Titus]

Ali good luck uniting the town.

VLA through Thursday

[Titus]

Ali, why can't we vig Fire and just lynch within his pool today?

[Titus]

Why do you think we have a town aligned vigilante, Titus?

This would reveal if we had one or not...unless it's Fire.

[Titus]

@Ali, The other option is wasting a lynch entirely. Which is better, a theoretical chance at lynching scum or a zero percent chance?

[Titus]

I think Fire should be shot, and I'd shoot him.

[Titus]

@Ali, The other option is wasting a lynch entirely. Which is better, a theoretical chance at lynching scum or a zero percent chance?

Here are possibilities:

I am town and I govern. We get no lynch, and if I am not shot, I get potentially lynched tomorrow and we lose 2 days. Big waste of our time.

I am town and I don't govern. We lost town and you guys get to cheerlead or something that you got rid of an "anti town" slot or something, idk.

I am scum. I govern. You waste the day and potentially shoot me tonight or lynch me tomorrow. Still wastes a bit of time.

Those options presume you're the lynch Fire...

Why not town no governor and we hit scum

[Titus]

Can you explain how you reached that pool Fire?

[Titus]

Vote Count 3.8

Flavor

With 18 alive it is 10 to Lynch or 9 to No Lynch!

mastina (6): Katsuki, MariaR, popsofctown, Krazy, Firebringer, PP
Krazy (4): mastina, Dannflor, Menalque, Titus,
Firebringer (1): the worst,
the worst (1): Gamma Emerald,
popsofctown (1): Iconeum,
chennisden (1): Something_Smart,
Pink Ball (0):
PenguinPower (0):
Katsuki (0):
Something_Smart (0):
Menalque (0):
Titus (0):
MariaR (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
GreyICE (0):
Formerfish (0):
Iconeum (0):
Dannflor (0):

Not Voting (5): chennisden, GreyICE, Formerfish, Pink Ball,


Alisae endorses: mastina

Deadline: Day 3 will end after 10 days, on October 1st. This is in (expired on 2019-10-01 20:38:00).

Pine is offering a Governor fruit. Firebringer is bargaining for it.
Pine is offering a Neighborizer Fruit. Gamma Emerald and Titus are bargaining for it.
Pine is offering a Jailkeeper Fruit. PenguinPower is bargaining for it.
Gamma Emerald is V/LA. While his head is as strong as an Emerald, it is still inadvisable to use it as his primary means of attack.
Titus is V/LA through Thursday? Why? It's a mystery.

I got interrupted by three different banks and a contractor while making this VC. Please double check that I have you voting the right person, because I'm not going to work on this one any longer.

Vote Count 1.3

PenguinPower has long been one of the most respected knights of the land. Belonging to the Secret Order of the Skittles, he is one of the Keepers of the Lists. His responsibilities lie mainly in educating young knights, guiding them so that one day they might go into glorious battle against the trees of Pine's kingdom. Alas, even though this arctic bird spends more time teaching than questing on his own, he is still a knight to be reckoned with, at home in the frigid waters that would scare off even Pine's dastardly schemes. Who else could be a more valuable ally in the fight against Evil?

With 25 alive, it is 13 to Lynch or No Lynch!

Firebringer (6): Gamma Emerald, MariaR, Menalque, Aristophanes, Katsuki, GreyICE,
Aristophanes (3): mastina, Krazy, Jjh927,
the worst (3): Skygazer, PenguinPower, Pink Ball,
Iconeum (1): ankamius,
xofelf (1): Lady Lambdadelta,
Menalque (0):
Krazy (0):
MariaR (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
mastina (0):
DrippingGoofball (0):
Lady Lambdadelta (0):
chennisden (0):
popsofctown (0):
ankamius (0):
UntrodTripod (0):
PenguinPower (0):
GreyICE (0):
Jjh927 (0):
Chickadee (0):
Skygazer (0):
Formerfish (0):
Pink Ball (0):
Dannflor (0):
Katsuki (0):

Not Voting (11): Firebringer, DrippingGoofball, chennisden, xofelf, UntrodTripod, the worst, Chickadee, Formerfish, Iconeum, Dannflor, popsofctown,

Deadline: Day 1 will end in 10 days, on June 17th. This is in (expired on 2019-09-17 15:00:00).

Ducky is V/LA.
Spyconeum is V/LA.

Vote Count 1.4

Katsuki:

With 25 alive, it is 13 to Lynch or No Lynch!

Firebringer (5): Gamma Emerald, Menalque, Aristophanes, Katsuki, GreyICE,
the worst (5): Skygazer, PenguinPower, Pink Ball, ankamius, Firebringer,
xofelf (3): Lady Lambdadelta, Jjh927, DrippingGoofball,
Aristophanes (2): mastina, Krazy,
Chickadee (1): MariaR,
Iconeum (0):
Menalque (0):
Krazy (0):
MariaR (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
mastina (0):
DrippingGoofball (0):
Lady Lambdadelta (0):
chennisden (0):
popsofctown (0):
ankamius (0):
UntrodTripod (0):
PenguinPower (0):
GreyICE (0):
Jjh927 (0):
Skygazer (0):
Formerfish (0):
Pink Ball (0):
Dannflor (0):
Katsuki (0):

Not Voting (9): chennisden, xofelf, UntrodTripod, the worst, Chickadee, Formerfish, Iconeum, Dannflor, popsofctown,

Deadline: Day 1 will end in 10 days, on June 17th. This is in (expired on 2019-09-17 15:00:00).

Ducky is V/LA.
Spyconeum is V/LA.

[Titus]

Based on the VCs, I'd be hard pressed to argue against mastina and wirst sharing an alignment. Firebringer and Krazy may also share as n alignment. At least one of them should be town.

[Titus]

Based on the VCs, I'd be hard pressed to argue against mastina and wirst sharing an alignment. Firebringer and Krazy may also share as n alignment. At least one of them should be town.

I say this because of the severe overlap between the wagons. There is a possibility of T/S in a pair but the T would have horrible reads.

[Titus]

Titus you're wrong. If you want to continue to be incorrect and hard defend scum that is your choice. But in a game where our numbers are hmmmmmmmmm 14:6? We kinda need to work together here if we want any chance of victory and since I know you're a logical lady. You do know you can't prevent Mastinas death forever.
So, why don't you help speed it along for more data and you can give me a big fat 'I told you so' if she flips town okay? Okay?
Fishy you should join or I might have to start scumreading you and I would hate to do that!

You could vote Krazy and we'd still have a bodyguard to keep me alive.

Do you dispute my VCA conclusions about aligned pairs?

[Titus]

Your bodyguard is scum who won't be on you and is going to protect partners from vigs.
Or if your bodyguard is town they're gonna be roleblocked.
So your bodyguard is 100% worthless.

I'm not good at VCA so I'll let you do your thing. Even if I disagree with the answers you might've got from it.

Why are you assuming scum have a roleblocker?

Do you or do you not agree with the conclusions I generated?

@Pops, do you agree Fire and Krazy likely share an alignment?

[Titus]

Why wouldn't scum roleblock the vig?

[Titus]

Maria, I have one hour tops before who knows when I can post again. Please reply soon or hold your peace. You too Pops.

See 7445.

[Titus]

Why are you assuming scum have a roleblocker?

Do you or do you not agree with the conclusions I generated?

I think it's pretty logical to assume scum have either a strongman or a roleblocker perhaps even both. You need something to counter protectives no? I don't really agree with your conclusions because I don't think they hold a lot of weight. I don't see how you get your answers from simple VCA. Perhaps go into more detail on that.
'Why wouldn't scum roleblock the vig'
Of course they would if they knew who the vig was. But they don't.

You're making a lot of assumptions about scum knowledge.

First, why would town have multiple protective? This almost impliedly assumes mastina is town.

Second, the vig has missed every single shot. The scum could know the vig's identity and let it shoot wrong every night.

Third, scum blocking and shooting mastina's protect may not be a thing, especially if a watcher exists.

I do think we should never lynch a bodyguard claim without a CC and sometimes not even then. It's self resolving. Plus, I STRONGLY feel mastina's town independent of her claim.

----

As for my VCA conclusions, I am seeing generally the same groups of slots moving together. You PP Krazy Fire and Pops all tend to make similar value decisions.

Mastina FF the worst ari and jjh tend to move together.

If two slots get treated similarly by a collective alignment, then logically they tend to have the same value to said team. A very wrong town can have value like a scumfuck. Scum will tend to sacrifice wrong town to protect scum. VCA is about looking at votes and determining values. Given we have no scum flips, I can't be directly certain but I'm relatively confident.

There also hidden suggested rules that I use frequently but I don't know if scum remember them.

Now, why won't you vote Krazy?

[Titus]

@MariaR,

You asked for my detailed explanation of the vca. I gave it to you. I asked why you won't vote Krazy multiple times. You're not answering me. Why?

[Titus]

are the AtE and the governor mutually exclusive? it's a combination of both. don't really think Fireb picked up steam before he AtE'd, still teasing unsubstantiated reads but still really not doing anything but tryna mess with the gamestate so :shrug:

pedit: yeah exactly

I think Fire needs to be vigged.

Get back on Krazy people. I don't want to no lynch today.

Chenn might be drawing a wagon to himself to protect crazy. What person legit argues conftown is scummy?

[Titus]

@MariaR,

You asked for my detailed explanation of the vca. I gave it to you. I asked why you won't vote Krazy multiple times. You're not answering me. Why?

Uh, mostly forgot to answer. I'm not voting Krazy because Mastina is scum and I doubt they're both SvS but if we take that out of it I don't think Mastina town=Krazy scum regardless.

Why is Krazy town? Why is mastina scum? Don't give me she claimed bodyguard. Give me something about her play.

I could just as easily say scum want to lynch the bodyguard.

Being holier than thou saying that I'm wrong when I've shown my work all day phase is very annoying. I'm putting out theories and content. You're giving me plugs in ears.

Why is Krazy so town? Who else do you think is scum? Is there anyone else in Fire's pool you'd lynch?

[Titus]

Alright, I'm gone now. See you Thursday afternoon at the earliest.

[Titus]

Look if Fire doesn't wind up dead, we'll know the vig is either scum or fire. Even those townreading him know he needs to die. If only one kill happens, we learn from that too.

Let's lynch Krazy and move on.

[Titus]

Surgery went fine. Docs recommend no attention to detail for 24 hours. Excuse sloppiness. Obviously no VCA until Friday minimum.

X-post all games.

[Titus]

Haven't read but please Ali trust me on mastina.

[Titus]

Oh fuck off you piece of shit phone

Titus I'm happy for u and that ur surgery went well.
I'm not voting Krazy and im not exactly sure where i want to go atm
UNVOTE:

If you really feel I am that wrong on Krazy and I feel that way about mastina, can we unify together?

I'm a little worried I'm obvtown but no one agrees with my conclusions.

[Titus]

*well the process to my conclusions ppl see my lineup.

I have a nagging feeling Krazy is agency captured but that might be the anesthesia talking

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Because his tone is sooo not anti-town with me

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I am ok. The surgery went well. I am calm as fuck but foggy because of pain meds. This may last up to a week. Thanks for patience. Not vla.

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Why would Pine post "hey guys Aristophanes did a desperado don't miss that" in the scum PT?

Why would he provide redundant information that only inhibits his team's ability to look like dumbslip town.

Please explain like I'm five.

Keep his team updated? I'm notorious for mama Henning my teammates that way and encouraging them to play dumb.

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Can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.

If your position is it's possible Pine coached his lurker(s) if existing, I agree.

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Oh fuck off you piece of shit phone

Titus I'm happy for u and that ur surgery went well.
I'm not voting Krazy and im not exactly sure where i want to go atm
UNVOTE:

If you really feel I am that wrong on Krazy and I feel that way about mastina, can we unify together?

I'm a little worried I'm obvtown but no one agrees with my conclusions.

Titus, you're always obvtown when you're town
and almost always, no one agrees with your conclusions.
who are your suspects atm?

also
I
<3
Titus
because
Titus
is
the best
and also
she
is
town
unlike
the worst
who is
the worst
and is
also
scum

Look at my pairs theory VCA post. I think the Fire side contains the scum unless mastina v Krazy is t v t.

I'll vote anyone on that list.

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Oh Ali rules question can Pine send us messages?

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Titus, you're always obvtown when you're town

You are legit the first person to say this

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Ty

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Fire if Ali agrees can you take Chenny off your govern list? It's not my favorite lynch but I don't TR it and the wagon is good.

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VOTE: Chennisden

FF, who is the scum that died? Chenny? Care to join I'd you are?

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FF is voting Chenny already.

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Especially when I looked back and saw that you were on that lynch Titus...

FF, I was high. :$

Hey, can town stop voting mastina for the love of goodness? Pretty sure Icon is scum too now because of the VCA rules that I can't explain yet.

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M, if you're still here, let's talk? I never get to talk with you.

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mastina, are you willing to vote Chenn? If we could combine the two wagons, we'd have more on possible scum than you.

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I think
Chennis
Den
Is town

Ali, I think you're agency captured hard core.

I'm shocked you'd let me pursue the neighborizer with how bad you think my reads are.

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just because i cant see it

doesnt mean there is no agenda

Everyone has an agenda. Finding it determines alignment.

What are you hoping to accomplish? Who do you want lynched? Protected?

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That penguin going to work GIF is tip-top tho

It's better than my Borderlands work in some respects.

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Oh are we getting another counter wagon to Mastina? It's almost like she's impossible to lynch because she's scum (B

No. She's not getting lynched because she's town and you can't get enough dumb town to lynch the bg.

If I had more charisma than a house fly, pops Krazy and you would be lynched.

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Thank goodness you don't because that's 3 town.

Well it seems like you're agreeing with my VCA at least now.

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Ok. Go ahead and shoot me when mastina flips town.

We'll laugh at this town in dead chat.

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Ok. Go ahead and shoot me when mastina flips town.

We'll laugh at this town in dead chat.

what are you talking about?
no one is shooting you

Just like mastina's scum right?

Sorry but you're wrong Ali. You've been captured. Your high volume of posting stopped town from organically working together. You deciding to slow down helped a bit, but the damage may already be done.

Between you and the governor tying my less charismatic hands, I seriously don't know how to get through a lynch on scum here.

You'll be here tomorrow. There's a decent chance when mastina flips town I won't. I don't have the entire game though.

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Titus maybe you're right the game is factionalized

And you're just picking the wrong faction?

I'd be open to that if any of you behaved like rational actors instead of scumfucks and the only flip I can track as scum going after Fire and Krazy.

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But I'm cranky tired pops, case mastina without the bodyguard. Case the worst. Look at the other faction and show me they are scum.

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Ok. Go ahead and shoot me when mastina flips town.

We'll laugh at this town in dead chat.

what are you talking about?
no one is shooting you

Just like mastina's scum right?

Sorry but you're wrong Ali. You've been captured. Your high volume of posting stopped town from organically working together. You deciding to slow down helped a bit, but the damage may already be done.

Between you and the governor tying my less charismatic hands, I seriously don't know how to get through a lynch on scum here.

You'll be here tomorrow. There's a decent chance when mastina flips town I won't. I don't have the entire game though.

This day sucks but Krazy isn't scum and I'm just keeping my eyes open
if I had to pick one of the 2 I would lynch, I would lynch mastina
but I'm not sure she's scum
I'm just not.
they're both town so..........

Then do chennisden. I'm not totally ruling out T v T. I still think Krazy is scum bc no one will tell me how Krazy scumhunts and tunneling the bg is not town town motivated. His tone doesn't feel fake.

Mastina will resolve.

Good night Ali.

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VOTE: chennis

@Dann possibly. Gn.

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Ali, can you just stop townreading things because they're opposed to a mastina wagon? Christ.

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Chennis is so scummy it's hard to handle here

Then why are we fighting? Lets be friends and hang him together.

+1 there's always a chance mastina dies overnight

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Mastina, can you vote chennisden? Then tmo we can lynch Krazy. Fire will be vigged. Then Maria too.

We got this, even if it kills me.

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GUYS
this game is 300 pages long
and is literally civ mafia

all you have to do to find scum
is to get recongize that

mastina
is town

chennisden
is town
and if we lynch him
thats literally teh worst case scenario for town
because not only will he flip town
but fire will just go
"yep, I'm governing again"
assuming he lives WHICH BTW
he probably will

Krazy
is also town
what a surprise

a TvT in a 300 page game?
No waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

Here is a brilliant idea
we can lynch
penguinpower
because that slot has done just about as much nothing as chennisden and no one is talking about it because it just started to play the game
or
we can lynch the worst
because all he is doing is just saying yes to wagons
or
we can lynch
pink ball
because that slot deserves to go unpressured because???????????????????????????????

Ali please let us just lynch chenn. You have defended every wagon that's counter to mastina. Fire even promised not to govern chenn.

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I mostly scumread you because you scumslipped
The other stuff is kind of meh to me

So if I proved she didn't?

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Mastina, I'm dead aren't I?

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Really confused about you acting like you're the only possible lynch today.

Because I don't think that chennisden is getting lynched (and I question if it'd even be a good idea), I don't think we're going to get another wagon going, and even if we somehow did, that wagon would probably fall apart at the last minute during a time period I am unaround to defend myself.

So yes, I don't see any way this day doesn't end in a mastina mislynch.

Do you?

You vote Chenn? Even if you hate it? I tried Krazy. I couldn't get it to go. It exposed half the scumteam but we'll have to restart tomorrow.

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Is your argument that you have a trust tell about claiming bodyguard as scum?

That's kind of gross.

No. It's more like scum don't claim bodyguard pops.

Trust your elders here.

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Yeah ageism actually pisses me off and is a pet peeve of mine

So I'd reconsider that comment if you want to stay friends Titus

Because obviously that wasn't about join date

Not on this site. I played mafia for about 16 years. This isn't my first site.

Sorry for offending you though pops. I love you like a friend.

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that's not the initial meaning of "elders"


which was it

I honestly meant it like playing forever elders but I totally get why you're upset. I'm the second highest poster on MS. I think of all of y'all as newbies to protect.

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No. It's more like scum don't claim bodyguard pops.

but it's mastina.

if scum had a bodyguard, then mastina would definitely take that role and would definitely claim it

and anyway, she keeps arguing that she always trust tells when a "serial killer that can 'mark' people instead and conceivably win with town" is not the fucking same as a "vigilante" so the idea that she always tells her real role is just false, but she keeps spamming the idea over and over again when it's already been refuted. But she's making it boring to refute her points because they've already been refuted and now she's just going in circles.

Like, you keep arguing that x and y person has been agency captured. Maybe you're just wrong on mastina, though?

I've known mastina for ages. We're practically strategy sisters.

Scum do not claim self resolving roles in 99% of cases.

Mastina is town.

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Scum do not claim self resolving roles in 99% of cases.

Is that why I end up dying each time i fake a doc claim as scum? Fuck.

Doc is not self resolving lol

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So your theory, to be clear, is that if mastina was scum she would lie about her role?

Just to make that absolutely clear, titus.

In this instance, yes. Mastina would not spontaneously claim bg as scum when she would solely be forced to protect town, and not scum.

(Minor Caveat: If mastina was role copped, she might be honest but that's not this spot.).