Newbie 1955 - wikihow mafia [game over]

[Robbnva]

Sup

[Robbnva]

how do we have 8/9 confirmations but we also have 2 players who havent even opened their role pms

Magic

[Robbnva]

VOTE: cyrus

[Robbnva]

Wow there. No posts for over 24hrs then just a vote. Give us something Rob.

Why is that wow?

Your shading of me sucks.

There is something

[Robbnva]

VOTE: Robbnva

First 3 posts are

'Sup'

'Magic'

and a vote without context.

So yeah, 'shading' of you seems justified.

It’s rvs and it’s the weekend. No it’s not. So consider that your first lesson n00b

[Robbnva]

There hasn’t been useful posted yet so there’s nothing to comment on. I’m actually trying to generate some.

[Robbnva]

Just trying to get some convo outta u. Dont even know what shading is. I could put him to L-1 if we are fishing and i have a minor scum read but dont wanna risk early hammer. My read on u is now leaning town as i dont see that vote as something mafia would do.

Just seen ur other post, rvs on L-2 seems unlikey but what do know.

Bullshit. If you wanted to have a conversation with me, you’d have a conversation with me.

[Robbnva]

What are your honest thoughts of the first two pages. Is there really anything useful? If so what did I miss?

[Robbnva]

well lts see scum could be in mack,rob or doc so 3 scum leans emps is town . dyrenz null and then you have others not posting hardly at all. however . rob why the vote even if its rvs why didnt you vote in your 1st post or 2nd . you wait till after some one else votes me?

Please explain all your reads.

Cause I usually don’t vote with my first couple of posts. Majority of the time I just do nothing until there’s something to be done.

[Robbnva]

my read on doctor is solely on the idea that you can only roll town so many times before you scum

See that bad reasoning. It’s actually what pinged me.

[Robbnva]

Or he could be scum relying on a weak reason. Only time will tell

[Robbnva]

like for example, dont openly pr spec

You shouldn’t pr spec anyway. Unless you’re scum.

[Robbnva]

What new setup?

[Robbnva]

What new setup?

you mean you didn't even read the new setup?

No. I did now though. Interesting change.

[Robbnva]

mod. VC is incorrect. Dyrenz voted me

[Robbnva]

I don’t see town Cyrus dropping is reads so easily. Consider my read on him a little stronger now.

[Robbnva]

Not too mention way to many town reads for page 5

[Robbnva]

I just haven’t seen anyone do anything to warrant a town read so the fact somebody can have that many this early seems informed.

[Robbnva]

Obviously it’s just a quick skim but looking at two town games and one scum game. His play here doesn’t give me the same vibe as the two town games. But there’s probably some bias that I can’t shake. He just seemed more care free in those games. This game seems different. Idk. Hard to explain I guess. Time will tell obviously

[Robbnva]

I'm inclined to think if cyrus town then u might me scum with how big ur read is. Though its similair to my read so maybe we are just hot stuff...

How big my read is?

[Robbnva]

You just seem pretty confident he's scum.

That’s just my personality. I’m like that in every game

[Robbnva]

Can't be too hard to work out if we take out your 4 town reads and yourself

And you want to give me shit about being confident?

[Robbnva]

All i'm gonna say if Cyrus is town he is either a genius or a bad player:

He’s probably not town but if he is, definitely a bad player.

[Robbnva]

now lets see rob saids mack is town

Why are you lying?

[Robbnva]

Apart from Robs numerous reads on Cyrus as scum, who is an easy target by that point, there's been no post regarding reads on any other player.

And?

There’s no point in mentioning this so why do it?

[Robbnva]

the whole pisst off tone was how he played as scum. with me .

we played together?

[Robbnva]

Oh see I’m 100% certain he is now.

[Robbnva]

the whole pisst off tone was how he played as scum. with me .

we played together?

Oh I remember now. 1. I historically play with a chip on my shoulder and I was copying my town play. 2. My mother in law died and my wife had been diagnosed with cancer so i was on edge. 3 some n00b had the nerve to try and tell me how to play and was annoying the piss out of me.

[Robbnva]

lol exactly

[Robbnva]

Rob made a comment about Cyrus playing like scum based on previous experience

btw, this is a lie. I never said it was based on experience

[Robbnva]

My read on him isn’t based on personal experience

[Robbnva]

Rob hostile gameplay

I haven't been hostile yet...

Ah my misunderstanding. U wernt personally in the games with Cyrus but u did some research on those games?

If thats not it i give up.

close? I skimmed the posts he made in his town games, and his scum game and based on that I feel like the tone of his posts here match more his scum game. this isn't super reliable at all but it was enough that I felt good about my read on him.

[Robbnva]

good thing I am behaving myself lol

[Robbnva]

rob is now my top scum read.

reasons besides the obvious omgus

[Robbnva]

and I will just assume no response to the accusation of you lying, means I was right and you did intentionally lie.

[Robbnva]

you said i was lying about playing with you

no I didn't...

I am not buying this playing dumb routine. i specifically quoted the lie.

[Robbnva]

ok my bad rob never said mack was town i miss read it due to me being half awake.

not buying this excuse either.

[Robbnva]

I think what he is trying to say is now his read is me/mack. before it was supposedly emp/mack but he lied saying emp was a town read.

if he were town, i really would expect more transparency but he isn't being transparent at all. I have no idea really why he has any of his reads. I did try to get him to explain them all earlier but he essentially dodges. The only explanation I can see is Mack is scum for defending doctor even though doctor hadn't posted much which is weak

[Robbnva]

I don't want Doc at L-1 and i'm not convinced he is scum, but I really need to hear from you Doc as there are just too many gaps and unanswered questions.

yet you leave your vote on him. why not unvote with an implied vote?

[Robbnva]

however judgeing by how doc hasnt been hammerrd means either doc is scum o scum is already on his wagon

false.

[Robbnva]

I don't want Doc at L-1 and i'm not convinced he is scum, but I really need to hear from you Doc as there are just too many gaps and unanswered questions.

yet you leave your vote on him. why not unvote with an implied vote?

Whether he is scum or his town playstyle is to keep things close to his chest, at this point I want some more meaningful contribution.

ok, but that doesn't answer my question. if you are not comfortable with him being at L-1, why don't you unvote and say your vote is implied?

[Robbnva]

intent to hammer doc at 9pm my time btw my time saids 2:37pm

this is not a town post btw.

we have over 6 days left and doc isn't even in your scum pile.

[Robbnva]

if you dont think hes scum then get others to unvote him by 9pm.

that isn't how the game works, and you know this.

you have stated you don't think he is scum so you threatening to hammer is antitown and when added to everything else, screams scum.

hopefully people see that now and you get lynched but i am not holding my breath. I can only do so much as I am one person. I have provided many reasons why you should be lynched.

You have provided 0 reasons why anyone but mac should be lynched.

[Robbnva]

Isn’t me sitting here doing nothing calling your bluff?

[Robbnva]

lol all that and he isn’t at l-1

Cyrus painted himself into a corner now. Just need people to get their heads out of their asses

[Robbnva]

i knew doc wasnt at l1 so my whole intent was a bluff.

Sure you did

[Robbnva]

If you are town I’m gonna be so pissed at you. Making a mockery of this game.

[Robbnva]

Please get me lynched. You’d probably do me a favor.

[Robbnva]

You keep lying. How can anyone trust you?

I think the truth is you got fooled and are playing it off.

[Robbnva]

now look at this game carefuly your see how rob plays as scum viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80202 now look at his play here.

Don’t forget to tell them what I told you in the scum pt.

[Robbnva]

What he’s not telling you is I play scum and town nearly identical. Good luck sorting me

[Robbnva]

so why is doc sr emps care to makre a case and why is mack town?

I’m still waiting for you to explain your reads. Funny you keep putting it off yet asking somebody else to explain theirs.

[Robbnva]

I don't get these comments at all, feels a bit like ur grandstanding.

You've also been very critical of Cyrus but i have no idea what ur reads on everyone else is. (I didnt go through the whole thread so there may be some old reads i cant remember)

What are ur thoughts on doc?

That’s just my personality. Unfortunately I do that almost every game. I’d say something else already but we aren’t allowed to anymore I don’t think. It’s noy grandstanding, it’s me being transparent with my thoughts.

I don’t have any reads except one scum read. That’s why I’ve been critical of him cause I don’t think it’s possible to have as many reads that he had so early.

As for Doc, his iso is pretty useless but he hasn’t done anything scummy. Cyrus has plus he’s lied three times so he’s scum imo and I’m really annoyed people are town reading him.

[Robbnva]

i already told you rob my reads are based on game play here so far i am trying very hard to not state how emps and macks interaction makes me feel as i dont wish to help scum by revealing to much information .

You had town reads when nobody had enough time to have town gameplay so you need to actually use words and EXPLAIN them. Right now you look informed hiding behind vagueness.

Provide posts numbers from the first 4 pages and Explain why those posts are more likely to come from town.

[Robbnva]

The three of us seem to be trying the hardest to discover the scum

That’s false. I’m the only one with actual reasons to scum read somebody. I’m the only one with an actual case. If you or the others were actually trying you’d have something with more substance.

And this is why I have no town reads. None of you are trying hard enough

[Robbnva]

Like Mack, you didn’t give a reason for voting doc. You said he was town but because of things you pointed out or something he’s now a scum read but your iso lacks anything that supports a scum read. You lack reasons. So how can you say you’re trying?

[Robbnva]

Emps and kerset both have fairly weak reasons for their vote on doc. Good enough reason to pressure doc, but nothing there that is solid enough for an actual scum read. Kerset’s vote is basically agreeing with enps and mentioning doc hasn’t defended his claim. My question is 1. What claim and 2. He hasn’t really posted since emps votes him so how can you accuse somebody of not doing something if you haven’t given them time?

This is all great to pressure doc, but nobody has an actual reason to scum read him. The only person who’s provided legitimate reasons is me.

[Robbnva]

Not sure if any of thos question were directed at me, but my main read and doc came when he voted me then completely blanked my questions. Now i know he awol i cant read much into it but at the time it looked bad.

You can't use his vote on you as a reason to scum read you because you called him your top town read AFTER that vote.

You asked him a question which he answered but it turns out you asked him about the wrong person. You asked the correct question but he hasn't posted since.


so do you see why I am having trouble here? You have no reason to drop your town read on him.

your 180 could easily be described as an opportunistic vote on an easy target. he had two votes, you didn't really have a reason, twisting him not posting as not answering your questions.

[Robbnva]

why so eager to end day 1 so fast?

the only one eager to end day 1 early was you.

[Robbnva]

and see I am here making logical posts cyrus, and you just keep taking cheap shots and saying things that aren't even true.

[Robbnva]

intent to hammer doc at 9pm my time btw my time saids 2:37pm

this is not a town post btw.

we have over 6 days left and doc isn't even in your scum pile.

somebody rushing to end the day doesn't say this.

so that's like lie number 4.

[Robbnva]

what is a bluff? i believe it is used when say you will do something . even when you wont. i knew the vote count wanted to convince you i was going to hammer doc even when i my self knew i couldn't do s0 to Gage your reaction. which you acted how i wanted you to by basically telling mack to unvote and not doing so your self.

You say that it was, but you have lied already so your word means nothing to me.

I acted how you wanted by telling mack unvote instead of me unvoting? What would me un-voting you accomplish exactly? I was not voting doc.

you aren't even making any sense right now.

[Robbnva]

if your so sure im scum bet on it by saying if i flip town your be lynched tomorrow and then i'll help you lynch myself if you anit then stand down.

if that wasn't against the rules I totally would.

[Robbnva]

You are calling us out, because we voted doc with weak reasons. What about voting Mackenzie with something like this?

i am not calling you out, I even said those votes were good for pressure but nobody voting doc or even scum reading doc has real good reasons for it. i have yet to see a convincing case for doc. Not even a convincing reason.

I don't tend to get upset about reasonless votes, I do them all the time myself. There isn't anything scummy about voting without a reason.

Would I like doc to explain his vote on Mack? absolutely.
would I like doc to explain his unvoting of mack? absolutely.

but he isn't hear yet. So like I said, it's good that you guys are voting for pressure but anyone who says they have reasons to think he is scum is being dishonest or could be scum. Anyone advocating the day end early and we lynch him ala cyrus did, is highly suspect to me.

doc vs cyrus, hands down cyrus has has done more to deserve a lynch. If I stand alone in that opinion, so be it.

If you guys REALLY think Doc is scum, come up with something better.

[Robbnva]

You voted cyrus in #51 and for this whole time you never changed your opinion. Did you have your reasons in #51 or maybe you got luckly?

I am so glad you are reading this game...

yes I had a reason for voting him. I explained what that was later. i also provided more reasons as cyrus did more and more scummy things. Once he flat out lied about me, that pretty much sealed his fate in my opinion. he went on and lied 3 more times.

I can never town read somebody who lies. He will always be scum to me and as much as I try to stop death tunneling people because I know people hate it, I just can't when I am convinced, and I am convinced when it comes to cyrus.

[Robbnva]

if your so sure im scum bet on it by saying if i flip town your be lynched tomorrow and then i'll help you lynch myself if you anit then stand down.

if that wasn't against the rules I totally would.

I am not afraid of being lynched btw. if town wants to lynch me after you flip town, they are free to do so.


I will say this, if you are town, you fucking suck at this game and I don't ever want to play with you again. I do have standards and morals and somebody who repeatedly lies as town or plays with no regard to their win condition, is somebody I would prefer to avoid.

[Robbnva]

cyrus, it is clear I am your top scum read. All your attention is focused on me. So why aren't you voting me?

Why are you sitting there seemingly waiting for a better wagon? that is very opportunistic of you imo.

first doc wagon was growing and you were willing to vote him despite thinking he is town (playing against your win condition)

You are voting Mack yet aren't doing anything to convince people to join you. Why is that?

Do you see the difference between both of us? I am trying to lynch who I think is scum. I am trying to show other people why the person i think is scum is better lynch than somebody else.

You aren't doing that. Why?

So you are town playing sub-optimally and imo against your win condition or you are scum. You being scum makes much more sense. I would hope you aren't playing against your win condition in a newbie game as an SE.

[Robbnva]

and before I start getting angry, I will take a break.

[Robbnva]

hmmm since when is it against the rules to vote your town read

Never said it was against the rules, but is against your win condition if you are town

"

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

"

Wanting to hammer a town read would fall into that category.(I still don't believe it was a bluff)

i didnt vote him after unless your counting my rvs as a town read

I never said you did. This is the kind of shit you do, you twist my words or you respond pretending to think i said something that i never did

no i cant make a case on mack

Then you don't actually scum read him. If you did, you'd be able to make a case.

othe then the fact that hes defending you whom i think is scum

You have played enough mafia to know this isn't a valid tell. It isn't even enough for mild suspicion. You really should be voting me but won't for some reason. Probably because you know I am not an easy target, you seem to like those from what I can tell.

for makeing a case in you i dont have to. your doing it all you self.

I haven't done a single thing scummy. The closest anyone could probably point to is my vote on you without a reason, but even that isn't scummy. People usually scum read me because i'm stubborn and harsh but those people are just stupid.

Check feelings at the door people, open your eyes and see what is in front of you.

Cyrus - no scum hunting, willing to hop on easy targets, can't make a case for either of his scum reads, scum reads me more but won't even vote me, and lied at least 4 times (3 to the people who actually believe the bluffing lie )

[Robbnva]

your vote on mack is just a lazy vote to park it somewhere. You don't seriously think mack is scum. You aren't doing anything with it. You aren't pushing his lynch. you probably think that if you park your vote on him and everyone town reads mack, people will think "scum would never do that" when in fact scum would absolutely do that. Town would be trying to find scum and get them lynched, which you aren't doing.

the biggest wagon is Doc and you can't really join that one at this point. There isn't a viable counter wagon and you don't want to seem to want to push one. You seem ok with him being lynched despite him being your town read.

[Robbnva]

Congrats. About time you place a serious vote.

How does me doing something I do every single game prove your point?

Almost every single game I’ve ever played on mafiascum, I’ve tunneled my scum reads. Please explain how that makes me scum this game. I’d love to hear that.

I’ll even give you the list of all my accounts to prove you wrong here. I tunnel everyone I scum read.

[Robbnva]

Thats supposed to say i cant help feeling you are both townies angry at each other.

What has cyrus done that is so towny?

Like on one of my favorite reddit subs, explain it to me like i'm five.

[Robbnva]

But, Robb, what are your other accounts? Curious to see if I ever played a game with you. I had another account before this one as well.

What is your account?

the more notable ones are Jake from State Farm, Beck, and Derpy Hooves.

[Robbnva]

name doesn't ring a bell but i have seriously played over 100 games on this site lol. i am sure if I found a game I could refresh my memory

[Robbnva]

None of those are defenses of doc actually

The first two were trying to figure out why somebody who doesn’t want a player at l-1 isn’t unvoting since he was the one who put him at l-1

The last post was trying to understand why he was being voted and show that Cyrus really is the better vote. Vote somebody who’s actually done stuff that confirms they are scum.

[Robbnva]

The fact you didn’t want him at l-1 yet didn’t want to unvote just shows you weren’t seriously concerned with him being at l-1.

[Robbnva]

Where did I call myself town? I don’t remember doing that

[Robbnva]

How can you speak for him? Why would you speak for him?

[Robbnva]

That isn’t even me saying I’m town

[Robbnva]

But I do that in almost every game I play regardless of alignment. I of course will never agree that I have done anything scummy, usually because I don’t do anything scummy. That’s not me being insecure.

[Robbnva]

huh woops i thought robb said somewhere that he had "done nothing scummy" at all the whole game

was that someone else?

Yes I’ve said that but that’s different from declaring I’m town.

[Robbnva]

idk calling urself town and insisting uve done nothing scummy

I don’t deny I’ve done the 2nd but the 1st never happened

[Robbnva]

I really don’t like how doc is behaving towards me. He has been vacant yet somehow comes in and is definitely trying to pocket me.

[Robbnva]

And he still hasn’t provided content.

This is why I don’t have town reads. Excluding the replacements I can argue almost every other player could be scum because of _____

But that’s why I honestly believe Cyrus is the best lynch. He’s done the most bad things.

[Robbnva]

Im laughing so much right now

[Robbnva]

do you?

if im "really rubbing you the wrong way" shouldnt i be more than, i dunno, a slight scumlean?

[Robbnva]

Im laughing so much right now

Care to elaborate, or are you taking a few customer service calls.

I’m laughing cause I’m fairly certain he’s thinking he hasn’t done anything scummy

[Robbnva]

i dont think im like "obvtown absolute legend if you have any doubts about me ur fucking bad"

Yeah that’s my thing

[Robbnva]

What read would you give somebody who rubbed you the wrong way? Can’t be null. Obviously not town. What’s left?

[Robbnva]

Everyone is different I guess. A stronk scum read would need to have something more substantial

[Robbnva]

robs a dick scum or town.

I am a dick, but thankfully I’m town. You know this though cause I’m not in your private forum this time.

[Robbnva]

i think im at l2

So you knew the VC back when Mack said doc was at l-1 and we hadn’t had a VC in a while. Now when we had a VC recently without no movement other than one vote, you act like you don’t know what’s going on?



Yes you’re at l-2

[Robbnva]

ah so I did.

useless would be my read. He isn't really doing much but that is honestly how I feel about everyone. 3 people voting doc and nobody has a really good reason for it. It's completely frustrating because all 3 of those people can't be scum with cyrus.

I just deleted the post I typed cause I really don't want to offend anyone so this is the pg version of how I feel about the game.

Like I said earlier, I can honestly make an argument for everyone one of you being scum (replacements excluded) and that worries me.

[Robbnva]

that is why I deleted my post

[Robbnva]

I am completely open to the idea that doc could be scum here, I could also be wrong about cyrus but I am a more black and white kind of player. cyrus is very obviously scummy. Doc is just meh. based on gameplay I am more confident in cyrus.

i honestly think you are scum also mack. the fact that you put somebody to l-1, said you didn't feel comfortable with him being at l-1, but didn't want to unvote really doesn't sit well with me.

There is also a slight tell (which I used to think was rubbish) that newbies do that has been proven effective in coming from scum greater than 60% or something like that, and you did it. There are some other things about you that ping me as well, like your opportunistic vote on doc for example.

I could also nit pick others as well, but it's day one so i stick with my strongest read and see what happens.

[Robbnva]

Thats odd.

yes I agree it is an odd vote switch

[Robbnva]

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=80024my town and docs scum
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80145 my town emps scum
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80175 my town emps pr
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80202 rob and my scum
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=80327 scum
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=80488 scum
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=80608 scum

any one that just saids scum is my scum game go have a look your see i cant act the same as town as i do as scum and you will see why rob and doc cant be trusted if i anut hammerd before i can hammer my self i will steal stuff from others games .

what is the point of this? past games don't mean anything. We are evaluating your play THIS game.

[Robbnva]

you will see why rob and doc cant be trusted

If somehow you are actually town, why am I not trustworthy just because you played terrible?

[Robbnva]

he doesn't care about helping town. That would be the 2nd time he has said something that i consider playing against his win condition.

[Robbnva]

I am not scum this game. If you are town the only thing you know how to do is play against your win condition and lie, I have not refused to help the game, I AM THE ONLY ONE actually trying. Go look at my breakdown of the doc wagon, go look at the reasons behind those votes. If you are town, there is no way you can honestly say any of those are anything more than surface level reasons. Doc hasn't been around so he hasn't done anything truly scrummy. You can't say with any certainty that his inactivity is related to his alignment either. Meanwhile we have you who has done actual scummy things.

So if you are town, learn to play better and PLEASE stay the fuck away from me and i will try to do the same.

If you were truly trying to get people off the doc wagon, you would probably had better luck if A. you provided a better alternative with reasons and B. Looked at who was on the wagon and figure out that their reasons weren't very good.

Hmm.. that sounds familiar actually. Somebody actually did that. i wonder who that was...

Oh yea, that was me. And I don't even give a rats ass if doc gets lynched or not. He isn't really helping either but he doesn't look as bad as you do. You look like straight up scum. you act like straight up scum.

What is that expression? If it looks like shit, and smells like shit, it probably is shit? Look in the mirror sir, your play has been shit.

[Robbnva]

town is to focus on me so i will get it to stop and look at others.

obviously town isn't solely focusing on you because town is focusing on Doc also. There are better ways to get town to stop looking at you. 1. play like you are town 2. provide a better alternative with good reasons

If you are town, you have failed to do both of these things.

This actually looks like scum theater to me. Mack puts you at L-1 and you threaten to self vote hoping people unvote you.

[Robbnva]

2. provide a better alternative with good reasons

[Robbnva]

You want to get me lynched, you have to convince 3 townies to vote with you and your scum buddy. Quit relying so much on meta regardless of your alignment.

[Robbnva]

yet i seen how you played the game when we were both scum and that was attacking others

here is the thing. You want to point to my 1 scum game as my only meta. I even said in that game TO YOU, that I am copying my town game.

Here is a great post by me -viewtopic.php?p=11039724#p11039724


I could find you at least 50 town games of me playing very similar to how I am here.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: docter for pocketing and being opptermastic .

Question. Doctor isn’t the only one pocketing. He’s not the only one opportunistic. Do you scum read the others also?

I mean your threat to hammer doc was opportunistic and you were sort of pocketing doc. So I’m just curious where your mind is at in that regard.

[Robbnva]

Mac has been opportunistic twice

[Robbnva]

Uh.

[Robbnva]

Well one mystery was cleared up for me.

[Robbnva]

So claim. I know you’re still catching up. Can I can some preliminary reads?

[Robbnva]

Is that even allowed?

[Robbnva]

Day one begins now!

animal samm and eekveek haven't opened up their Role PMs yet. They have (expired on 2019-09-07 18:15:00) to do so and confirm.

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach a lynch. Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-16 20:15:00).

mod is this post accurate?

[Robbnva]

Im confused by claimnow's catch up posts, theres atleast a couple of posts made by Rob that have Cyrus as the named quoter.

You are confused cause that’s not true. Every post that shows Cyrus as the quoter was actually made by Cyrus.

[Robbnva]

For what?

[Robbnva]

Should be

[Robbnva]

Since there’s no masons, I’m thinking claimnow quoted from his scum forum.

VOTE: claimnow

[Robbnva]

I don’t see any examples in any of claim’s other games that he has a notes PF. I don’t think he created one for here and I definitely don’t see content that matches 85 post made in his forum.

I can only think this is the only thing that makes sense to me.

[Robbnva]

I scum read him yesterday. Don’t see anything that changes that.

[Robbnva]

Not a good entrance from Mack. Shading doc for not posting/low post count is weak shit I usually see coming from scum. Him not commenting on me tunneling shouldn’t make him more suspicious because me tunneling Cyrus doesn’t mean anything.

I’ll gladly vote Mack but I honestly think we lynch the scum who linked to his private forum.

@mack - thoughts on the obvious scum slip?

And btw he wouldn’t be the first scum to be caught that way.

[Robbnva]

I also think its funny how i backed cyrus longer than anyone but Kersit, who was town, yet im scum.

Your flip was suspicious. All of your votes could be viewed as opportunistic also. Kersit’s play wasn’t remotely similar. He also voted cause it was inevitable so you can’t even compare that.

[Robbnva]

If you think one of doc or I is scum, why no vote?

[Robbnva]

I have my own theory. I think you’re waiting to see what everyone else says so you can pick the easier vote. That honestly fits how you’ve played. Don’t try to lead, you follow

[Robbnva]

Don’t try to lead, you follow

Which seems odd since you definitely are opinionated about your reads.

[Robbnva]

Why do you do it as town?

I don't know why I do it, It's not something I can control.

[Robbnva]

You don't even seem bothered everythig you said about Cyrus was proved false

Why would I be bothered? I didn't make him play the way he did.

where were all your theroes the last 10 days?

Which ones? The one where I thought you were opportunistic with your votes and I think you could be scum? That was posted day 1
The one where the quote from the pf was most likely from a mafia forum? I commented about that day 1 also.

Do you even believe slightly that low posting has no relevance?

I believe 100% it has no relevance to alignment. I have seen both town and scum post high counts, post low counts, and stayed in the middle. There is no rhyme or reason behind it. It's annoying as fuck but unfortunately I need something more than "omg ur a lurker" which is basically what "you have a low post count" implies.

I have to think your scum because most of your actions would be poor for a town player,

if you are town, that is fair but which actions exactly? If you point to actions that I have a long history of doing as town, then all you have proven is something I already know. I am a poor town player and everyone else thinks so also. Why do you think I have created so many Alt accounts? I try to stop death tunneling but I really can't. I have in my brain how a townie should act. When somebody does that, I vote them. Cyrus lied at least 4 times. wait let me say that with more emphasis.

CYRUS LIED at least 4 times

Rule number 1 of playing town as mafia - DO NOT LIE.

not even a mild suspicion of Doc lo

Why do you think that? Where have I said Doc is a town read? don't put words into my mouth.

Considering the way you two have acted i'm not even concerned with claimnow at the minute

WHY THE HELL NOT?

He quoted from a Private forum. The setup has confirmed we do not have masons. The only way he could have quoted from a private forum is if he is mafia.....

let me say that with more emphasis

The only way he could have quoted from a private forum is if he is mafia

i dont know how either of you is town.

Why? cause he has a low post count? Because I tunneled a scum read?

[Robbnva]

his progression didn't seem especially town.

explain what about my progression didn't seem town.

[Robbnva]

I am currently trying to find out if it is even legal to have a private forum. In the past ICs were allowed to have one but there are no more ICs. I see nothing in the rules that supports this is legal.

Mod, are players allowed to have their own private forum to discuss the game? Rules say do not discuss the game outside of the game which implies no.

If this is allowed, can you confirm that you approved ClaimNow to have one? I assume you as the game mod would need to know about this

Thank you

[Robbnva]

@emps I took notes in the pt with a lot of contradicting thoughts. Most were pretty short and choppy.

Is this the first PT you have ever created for a game?

If yes - Why did you choose to create one this game and not others?

If no - can I get a link to one from a completed game?

[Robbnva]

he was just accusing you of being eager to end the day.

false accusations aren't lies?

[Robbnva]

@rob, I agree they're surface level reasons... but by that logic can't most everything be construed as a surface level reason?

sure, a lot of things could be construed as surface level, but I think that post you linked of mine, 285 explains my thought process. It's good enough for some pressure but I'd never be ok lynching somebody based on that. You have to have some good reasons to want to lynch somebody.

That was my issue with the doc wagon to begin with. There was enough to pressure but then everyone just sat there.

That is why mack looks suspicious. He isn't really digging for reasons. His reads are Doc - you post as much as the mod and Me - you tunneled (paraphrasing obviously) and he doesn't even want to place a vote to show he is serious. He essentially said he is waiting to see what others are going to say/do

Hehe sure i'm waiting for all the non posters to jump in and pick someone othere than me

So day 1 he had what I consider to be two opportunistic votes with poor reasoning.

Day 2 he continues his poor reasoning and he's waiting for others to vote.


That is a huge red flag to me. But according to him I am a poor player so what do I know.

[Robbnva]

I’ll wait for the mod and claim to answer my questions

[Robbnva]

The game mod absolutely has to confirm. I’ll explain why later.

[Robbnva]

Why? Notes pf isn’t alignment indicative. As players we should be informed of this.

[Robbnva]

I don’t think he has a notes pf. If the mod won’t say anything that’s fine. No way he made 84 posts alone.

[Robbnva]

I unfortunately can’t. I won’t be as vocal but I can’t in good faith vote anyone but claim.

[Robbnva]

I saw someone use a notes PT in their game and thought that it would be a good way to organize my thoughts.

Who? Which game? Why can’t you organize your thoughts in the game thread? Transparency is wonderful

[Robbnva]

Maybe you’re subtly protecting claim.

Claim scum slipped. He quoted from his scum forum. You can’t get any more open and shut

You honestly believe in less than 24 hours claim made over 80 posts in a private forum taking notes before he even makes a single post here? His first post said he read “some of the game” which means he made 80+ posts based on “some of the game”?

Nothing adds up to me as town claim. Maybe you can spin all that into a town tell but straight up it looks shady as fuck

[Robbnva]

You didn't like Cyrus before the game started and there was no way you were going to let up on him

And see more bullshit. I didn’t even remember who Cyrus was. You’re just making up shit and hoping it sticks

[Robbnva]

Why don’t you actually do some real scum hunting Mack? If you are town PLEASE do better. Cause while I was wrong about Cyrus, I was one of the few actually trying. You definitely aren’t.

[Robbnva]

I don't see how the way you play can be at all helpful to town.

And this is exactly what I’m taking about. You want me gone not cause you think I’m scum, but because you think I haven’t been helpful. That’s a policy lynch bro.

Idk how you can say posting reasons for every single one of my scum reads, encouraging others to provide better reasons, and trying to get who I think is scum is unhelpful I’ll never understand considering that’s actually how the game is played and that’s exactly what I did. This also makes you a hypocrite cause you haven’t been helpful to the town. So fuck you

[Robbnva]

Like Mack, you didn’t give a reason for voting doc. You said he was town but because of things you pointed out or something he’s now a scum read but your iso lacks anything that supports a scum read. You lack reasons. So how can you say you’re trying?

This was a summary of your play day 1. How were you being helpful?

[Robbnva]

You can't use his vote on you as a reason to scum read you because you called him your top town read AFTER that vote.

You asked him a question which he answered but it turns out you asked him about the wrong person. You asked the correct question but he hasn't posted since.


so do you see why I am having trouble here? You have no reason to drop your town read on him.

your 180 could easily be described as an opportunistic vote on an easy target. he had two votes, you didn't really have a reason, twisting him not posting as not answering your questions.

This post and tbh the one I make before it are also helpful also.

Show me how you have done something helpful. I’ll wait cause you haven’t.

[Robbnva]

Sorry I forgot to reply. If they know it's false, I suppose it's a lie; if they don't know, then it's just... an accusation? Like if I though you were buddying someone, I might say "Rob why are you buddying player X?", I suppose it's a leading question but I don't think it implies I'm sure you are buddying someone.

So he knew I never tried to end the day early. Nothing in my iso supports that so when he made that accusation he knew it was false.

Whatever. He’s dead and his play hurt the game so we just move past it now.

[Robbnva]

I don't think I understand what you mean.

I do. He doesn’t want to vote until others do. He’s a follower. That’s been his mo. That’s why I accused him of being opportunistic cause it kinda is.

[Robbnva]

You knew full well it was a sarcastic comment in reply to your comments. Your so angry Rob, and I'll vote when i'm ready.

There was no indication it was sarcasm so I don’t know what it was. I can’t take your word for it.

[Robbnva]

Whats different this time

Uh. Read my next post

[Robbnva]

Still dont know how to read this guy

You can’t read me. Somebody already tried to explain the difference between my town and scum game and maybe their right, but idk. Once you finish reading you’ll see that I was the only person doing anything day 1. The only problem was Cyrus was actually town which I still can’t believe.

[Robbnva]

And you're proud of the fact that you get misread and lynched?
And no, if all you're doing is insulting other people and then dying you're not the only one doing something.

1. I rarely get misread and lynched but when I do, that’s part of the game. Why would I get mad about it?
2. I don’t mean to insult, if people tried harder I wouldn’t get angry at them.

Question. You ever watched Rudy?

[Robbnva]

my read on doctor is solely on the idea that you can only roll town so many times before you scum

See that bad reasoning. It’s actually what pinged me.

So you say you dont do something unless it needs to be done.
What exactly have you "done" by placing a naked vote on a player infamous for his playstyle? Especially seeing as the justification is very weak

I don’t think I really need to explain how the game of mafia works so this question is stupid. Cyrus hasn’t been around long enough to be infamous for his play style. I’m infamous for my play style. Titus is infamous, radiant cowbells, boonskiies, etc are all famous for their play style. Cyrus isn’t.

[Robbnva]

Nope. Whats it about?

It’s a great movie. Guy who all he ever wanted was to play for Notre Dame despite being too small, didn’t have the grades. He eventually makes his way on the team and he annoys the other players cause he tries too hard. He makes everyone else look bad cause he gives 110%.

That’s me in almost ever game I play. I give it my all. I try my hardest to win. I annoy others cause they don’t. I get mad at others cause they don’t.

I’m basically Rudy every fucking game I play and if people feel insulted they should step up their game or replace out. People sign up to play, then they should actually try to play

[Robbnva]

Mafia works by pressuring suspicious players to the point of cracking to determine their alignment, or something to that effect. Placing a vote without anything else and with no previous posts doesnt do that.

That’s part of it. There’s other parts like generating discussion and trying to sort people. Placing a reasonless vote does help to do that though. I love reasonless votes specifically for that.

[Robbnva]

People dont lynch players who overperform, they get nightkilled.

Your original question implies I get misread and mislynched all the time. I don’t even understand why you asked the question so this conversation was pointless to begin with.

I don’t get NKd cause two reasons. 1. Scum think they can mislynch me or 2. I have shitty reads.

I know I usually have shitty reads but it’s because people like Cyrus. If townies are going to play like scum, I guess I’m forever destined to have shit reads.

[Robbnva]

And you're proud of the fact that you get misread and lynched?
And no, if all you're doing is insulting other people and then dying you're not the only one doing something.

I really want to know what the point of this was? You say the discussion about it is going to be useless but what was the point of asking me something that’s not even true?

I never said or implied I was proud that I get misread and lynched because tbh I don’t get lynched very often. When people misread me when I’m scum, sure I’m proud of that but I haven’t really been bragging about it. I usually don’t brag cause I’m a shitty player who thinks he’s better than he actually is.

[Robbnva]

Comparitively though, it does very little especially if other players arent pushing that player you're voting already. I would say that most of the discussion comes from the player thats already under scrutiny responding to other people AND the naked vote rather than the post itself generating anything meaningfull.

It was early game. People were still messing around in rvs. I voted cause I wanted to get something going. That’s typically how things start. Are you going to question every other person for how they start to play? No obviously cause you would have already. If you don’t like my reasonless voting tactic that’s fine. I don’t play to appease others. The reasonless vote tactic is one I use often and I like it cause it serves a purpose unlike rvs voting.

[Robbnva]

If scum think they can mislynch you, how does that make you an overperformer in a game

I’m an over performer based on the fact that nobody tries as hard as I do to find and lynch scum. Look at this game. Look at day one. I even made a post about it. The people parked on doc didn’t have great reasons they had ok/good reasons. They weren’t actively trying to push a wagon. The other players were inactive. Cyrus was, well idk what the fuck Cyrus was doing. Not playing mafia that’s for sure.

[Robbnva]

Still dont know how to read this guy

You can’t read me. Somebody already tried to explain the difference between my town and scum game and maybe their right, but idk. Once you finish reading you’ll see that I was the only person doing anything day 1. The only problem was Cyrus was actually town which I still can’t believe.

You’re taking about this? That’s not bragging. I’m just stating a fact.

[Robbnva]

Yup. Guess i misread it then, because thats what i took it as

I mean I can see it as bragging I guess. I am proud of that fact I can mostly replicate my town game. There are some differences im sure. Somebody made a post earlier trying to describe them.

[Robbnva]

Rob i still don't know why you think i didnt contribute on the first day, i was constanly questioning everyone and i was one of few people that could actually see Cyrus might be town, albeit bad town.

I explained why I didn’t like your doc vote. You joined that wagon opportunistically. You weren’t really making a strong case or push, I absolutely didn’t understand your town read but when the wagon grew you abandoned your read.

I don’t see any of that as good town play

[Robbnva]

Well, you should. Otherwise you get lynched due to bad play.
I dont know why you are defending a bad post so vehemently, wouldnt just claiming that it was indeed bad be easier for you to move on? Legitimately asking.
And if they place a naked vote on to someone in page 3 without posting anything of substance, yes, i will pressure everyone who does that.

I should what? care what people think? No absolutely not. Nobody should care what others think. That’s how you end up looking scummy. Play honest. Don’t post to make others happy.

What bad post am I defending? My reasonless vote? It’s not a bad post and the fact you think it is shows how much you suck at this game.

Reasonless posts especially early game(but anytime) is a very useful tool. Why? It forces people to interact with me. It also lets me see how people respond to it. Why give a reason and accomplish nothing? Don’t give a reason and people have to ask me why. This shows who’s inquisitive and who isn’t. It also lets me see how the person I voted reacts.

So just cause you’re too stupid to see how it’s a good thing doesn’t mean it’s not. Now you’re educated and if you continue to say it’s a bad post then you’re the one refusing to learn and grow as a player and I can’t be bothered with you.

[Robbnva]

I would say that this is OGI, but i have no idea what you are talking about so can you clarify what you mean by his scumslip?

You’re coming after me and you haven’t even read the game? Ffs.

He quoted from his scum Pt

[Robbnva]

85 posts in a scum forum makes more sense than 85 posts by yourself. Scum talk to each other. Take notes. Look for breadcrumbs.

What do you say to yourself for 85 posts

[Robbnva]

84 posts before he makes one in the game thread though? All of that under 24 hours? When he does post he said something along the lines of not having read everything.

This whole private forum for notes is new to me but it’s just not adding up for me. Everyone else can form their own. He’s also not really trying to do anything.

[Robbnva]

Its simply too insubstantial to build a case around.

I disagree

[Robbnva]

If you are lynching someone based on a supposed scumslip that has no basis, and without considering anyone elses posts nor even the lynchee's other posts, then do it without me.

Well you’re not voting or trying to lynch anyone so...

[Robbnva]

UNVOTE:

Consider my vote still on him but too many quiet people.

[Robbnva]

Rob what has your discussion with Dongempire told you?

That he doesn’t care about finding scum

[Robbnva]

I want to hear from doc. I want to see dong make a case on somebody. I’d like something original from Mack.

The others can probably make cases also. If people want to not rely on a scum slip, let’s see you rely on something else

[Robbnva]

Rob what has your discussion with Dongempire told you?

That he doesn’t care about finding scum

If that is the case, though, you've fallen right into its trap.

How so?

[Robbnva]

You can too. You seem to be coasting today.

Nothing left for me to do. My lynch target is already set. My 2nd and 3rd scum suspects are already set.

The nerve of you saying I need to do shit. Da fuck have you done? Jack squat

[Robbnva]

In case it hasn’t been made clear. I’m not voting anyone else but claim. You’re lucky I’m nice enough to unvote cause I didn’t have to.

[Robbnva]

This has been a productive game day...

[Robbnva]

By participating in the discussion so much.

I don’t shy away from conversations and I didn’t have anything better to do. Half the player list decided they don’t want to play anymore.

[Robbnva]

Maybe we should just lynch doctor. He clearly is avoiding this game.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: doctor

His last post was a prod dodge. He’s posted elsewhere on site this weekend.

[Robbnva]

I have given up caring about this game because literally nobody else does

[Robbnva]

I’d rather claim but then again I’d rather... nevermind not worth it.

[Robbnva]

[Robbnva]

What are you seeing on page 2?

[Robbnva]

I need to finish this catch-up asap and get a case down. Not much time to play with. Do you want me to dedicate time to showing my pg2 findings? If it'll help your reads, I'll do it.

In the time it took you to write that you could have just told me what you saw.

[Robbnva]

Less than 2 days and nobody is doing anything still.

[Robbnva]

I have no read on ClaimNow yet; u glanced through his iso and I didn't see anything that struck me as poignantly towny or scummy in isolation. so I'm kinda indifferent on that lynch.

He quoted from his most likely scum PF. He claims it’s his private note PF but I find that unlikely because he was up to 80+ posts before he made a single post here. He said here that he hadn’t read everything yet.

I don’t see one person making 80 posts in less than 24 hours without even saying hello here. His contributions here doesn’t look like somebody who’s made 80+ posts in his private notes forum either.

I want his lynch but your predecessor has done jack and since nobody else cares about winning, I don’t really care either. I’m fine lynching your slot or claim today.

[Robbnva]

i so i anit that late. emps and docs on my radar till i have sorted them VOTE: doc rub is null to me untill i see where the game gos

Why are they on your radar?

[Robbnva]

Post 85 is not from this game.

I can’t wrap my head around how he could write 85 posts before posting here.

[Robbnva]

UNVOTE:

And tbh the worst, I remember you. I remember making a joke about you as the IC is the worst, I even remember the game you modded as a hydra but I don’t remember much about your gameplay other than I think you like to fake claim a lot as scum. I played with Cyrus more recently and barely remembered so I really don’t know what you would do as town/scum too much.

That said later I’ll read these posts you’re making.

[Robbnva]

Claim realized he fucked up and has decided instead of trying to convince us it was a legit mistake, he's going to just hide. I honestly would expect town to be here trying to prove it was a mistake by posting more. Claim is scum.

Now the partner is either doc/tw or mack. I can't tell which. I don't think it's emp personally.

[Robbnva]

so let's lynch claim, if he flips scum we have a better idea about emps.

[Robbnva]

whatever

what is the problem with that?

[Robbnva]

Intent is implied cause he is the only one I have wanted to lynch today. so I give intent.

now he needs to claim. I will hammer tomorrow morning though as the day ends tomorrow afternoon.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: Claim

See ya sucker

Dick move

[Robbnva]

Like I still think doc/mack slots are scummiest, whoever was scum talked a lot.

Mack hasn’t been scum on site. Doc hasn’t either. I don’t know how talkative they are.

Emps on the other hand as scum is very talkative based on his scum game. He even encouraged his partner lay low. Claim was eek. Eek did eventually confirm his role pm which means he probably made a couple of posts in the scum pm.

After the scum slip, anyone on the wagon or pushing claim could easily be scum trying for town cred/bussing.


So for now

VOTE: emps

[Robbnva]

Claim was also slightly town reading emps for no reason.

[Robbnva]

I’m sure emps is going to try and take credit for pointing it out cause he was the one who actually said something but my “uh” post which emps quoted was clearly because of the slip.

Scum is in emps/Mack/myself. So from my POV game is won regardless as we have a mislynch an my pool is 2 people

Somebody would really have to convince me doc was lurking here but active in the pf.

[Robbnva]

I know you are.

[Robbnva]

An all town wagon is definitely possible and scum could have been laying low


I really need to read emps iso.

[Robbnva]

Why the fuck was dong killed?

[Robbnva]

Like he pissed me off by stealing my hammer. He didn’t even want a claim lynch.

[Robbnva]

Like really fucking pissed me off.

[Robbnva]

He was pushing emps. Makes sense.

Tw/Mack slots looked bad. I’m pushing both of them. Not even considering emps.

I doubt it’s a frame job and if it is scum is tw/myself

[Robbnva]

If I was scum I leave dong alive. I was going to vote him today cause that hammer looked bad

[Robbnva]

I probably kill Asia slot tbh.

[Robbnva]

Hopefully emps concedes but he probably won’t so be better make one hell of an argument on why he’s town and who the last scum is.

That’s basically where I’m at. Waiting with anticipation