Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[alimdia]

9 roses, not what I expected.

VOTE: Aaron

Well, as someone else mentioned, in the first game there was only 1 town gun.

Not a fan of so many soft claims already and then....

I meticulously planned my choice of gun and slash or rose, so I could do this.

Let’s make things spicy.

I’m a Night 3 Rose.

Counterclaiming this shit.

Rawrr!!!

VOTE: Icon

[alimdia]

Not a fan of so many soft claims already and then..

I only hard claim.

Why are you not a fan of soft claims in a game like this?

Surely nobody would straight up tell the truth about that this early, right? This is a very WIFOM’able game, ripe with gambit opportunity in the purest form, without the need or necessity of the overthought power roles and night actions. Just simple Guns and Roses.

Mostly because this is the first 'weird setup' mafia game that I've played. Also both scum and town can claim whatever, since the claim doesn't show alignment. But if you claim Night 3 rose and you're town, now scum can kill you night 1 or 2. I don't see how that benefits town at all, if you're town. And WIFOM'ing WIFOM's town as well as scum.

Also Also, obviously my counterclaim was a joke

[alimdia]

I have a feeling AF is scum and I have no way to explain it at this time, just the feeling i get reading his posts.

Can't just say stuff like this?

Also, the last part of my last post was directed at you.

[alimdia]

One player is lynched during the day as per usual, and one player is killed by the mafia during the night as per usual.

A player who picked a rose is immune to night kills during his/her chosen night.

FG: These two rules. Do kills get blocked by roses?

Is that for 11 town DrDolittle?

[alimdia]

I feel like that's null though??

@Mena did you know if there was 2 scum or 3 scum

[alimdia]

I mean asking him directly at this point isn't gonna yield anything useful but if he legit wasn't aware or thinking about the number of scum then it's 100% town. don't see how you could think otherwise

I mean ofc I knew there were 3 scum I have a pt with 2 of them duh doy

:pikathink:


Datisi needs to post more so that Mena can tell me if she's town or not

[alimdia]

Mena just admitted that he will have checked the number of scum regardless of alignment tho
So I personally think Mena is null for that statement

[alimdia]

Mena just admitted that he will have checked the number of scum regardless of alignment tho
So I personally think Mena is null for that statement

Do you scumread Mena?

I just said Mena is null for the whole argument. Part of me could townread him for not trying to use it to get himself more towncred, but then Datisi is in the game so....

The rationale is that then they will die before shooting, and town will lose a chance to make a town-aligned kill.

Exactly, and even if someone is a N1 gun for instance, it would be very hard to direct their shot

[alimdia]

I just said Mena is null for the whole argument. Part of me could townread him for not trying to use it to get himself more towncred,

but then Datisi is in the game so....

And what does that have to do with anything?

First part I was replying to someone else.

Second part I was referring to this:

No, because I think datisi knows me well enough to know that I will have checked the number of scum regardless of alignment

[alimdia]

um no ChooChoo this way

VOTE: Creature

[alimdia]

um no ChooChoo this way

VOTE: Creature

You ignored my question.

VOTE: alimdia

Mena just admitted that he will have checked the number of scum regardless of alignment tho
So I personally think Mena is null for that statement

Mena just admitted that he will have checked the number of scum regardless of alignment tho
So I personally think Mena is null for that statement

Do you scumread Mena?

You can't read, therefore you're scum.

See I can do it too

I just said Mena is null for the whole argument. Part of me could townread him for not trying to use it to get himself more towncred, but then Datisi is in the game so....

[alimdia]

um no ChooChoo this way

VOTE: Creature

You ignored my question.

VOTE: alimdia

Mena just admitted that he will have checked the number of scum regardless of alignment tho
So I personally think Mena is null for that statement

Mena just admitted that he will have checked the number of scum regardless of alignment tho
So I personally think Mena is null for that statement

Do you scumread Mena?

I just said Mena is null for the whole argument. Part of me could townread him for not trying to use it to get himself more towncred, but then Datisi is in the game so....

You can't read, therefore you're scum.

See I can do it too



Prev post had quote issues, fixing it

[alimdia]

Salimance and alidya are both scum

Now need a third

VOTE: AaronFrost

Creature, what was this? Did you have a legit scumread on AF (which I don't see how) or were you just trying to get a wagon going?

I had a somewhat legit scumread on AF and probably still have

Is this why you changed vote to salad.

Oh and also didn't have AF included in the above quote

[alimdia]

Alim, why the skitty reaction to my choochoo?

I don't even know what skitty means... wiki and google doesn't tell me anything.
But my reaction was mainly at Creature, using the same choochoo as you, who still hasn't explained his AF 'scumread'.

ok

Salim or Alim, the first one of you to give us the name of your partner will be allowed to live into LYLO, at which point you shall be lynched. We apologize for having to put you through this process, but at least you can live a couple more days. After all, it's not our fault you rolled scum.

Speak

My partner is Datisi. Please let me live oh God. I can't take the guilt anymore!

[alimdia]

VOTE: AaronFrost

Can we wagon someone?

VOTE: Samelance

Salimance and alidya are both scum

Now need a third

VOTE: AaronFrost

Creature, what was this? Did you have a legit scumread on AF (which I don't see how) or were you just trying to get a wagon going?

I had a somewhat legit scumread on AF and probably still have

This entire sequence of posts is gross and inconsistent.

If you're scumreading me right now then why didn't you mention me in 176? What's your reason for scumreading me?

btw @Mod, I am not voting Icon atm, pretty sure my vote is on Creature
Exactly, thats why I did the choo choo thing @Amrun

however, I agree with Mena's #235 and 236, could you go on creature instead?

I'm always slow to vote beyond rvs, just a really slow starter in general

Tbh I don't have any major scumleans at the moment, creature is the only one whose really pinged me at all but not enough to vote yet

This post strikes me as scummy for not wanting to commit

[alimdia]

I have a feeling AF is scum and I have no way to explain it at this time, just the feeling i get reading his posts.

Wow, Pretentious. Are there any stances you DO want to take?

I don’t take stances, I just say my thoughts, and explain what I think is going on on a gamestate level.

That would be fine if your posts actually were saying something.



@salamence: what does “not entirely scum” mean?

I dont think hes scum, or atleast i think Icon is a better wagon at this time

I just re-read all your posts, it seems like you only have post 149 as a case against him? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[alimdia]

@SOmething_Smart, any reason why you didn't RVS? Just curious.

Also, I just looked through all your posts again. You post very neutral, answer and ask a bunch of questions but haven't drawn any conclusions from them.
You have too many posts for me to link all of them, but I encourage everyone to ISO SOmething_Smart up to Post 310.

I think thats a very strong scumtell.

YOu have lots of posts, made lots of neutral statements or fluff, but haven't had any conclusions.

VOTE: SOmething_Smart

[alimdia]

DogWatch also has the same issue, but less obvious because they have less posts!

[alimdia]

I needa read Amrun rq

[alimdia]

@SOmething_Smart, any reason why you didn't RVS? Just curious.

Also, I just looked through all your posts again.

You post very neutral, answer and ask a bunch of questions but haven't drawn any conclusions from them.

You have too many posts for me to link all of them, but I encourage everyone to ISO SOmething_Smart up to Post 310.

I think thats a very strong scumtell.

YOu have lots of posts, made lots of neutral statements or fluff, but haven't had any conclusions.

VOTE: SOmething_Smart

This is literally just SS and it’s NAI

But tbh I townlean him because I think he’s actually trying to work with me, even if I still think he’s been a bit overly oppositional

I think my GL read was prob bad and I don’t see why scum!him doesn’t let me take that thread and run with it

Brah he hasn't done anything other than neutral and injecting in random places.
Also, I really hate second hand meta too
Let SS defend himself.

[alimdia]

I'm actually tired af atm so I'll reread your case against Amrun later, as well as his ISO

[alimdia]

1) It depends on the question and the context. In this particular case, I was trying to reaction test alim but it didn’t work because I’m dumb. I kept my vote there because the vote was still the thing that pinged me the most up to that point.

Go on? What reaction test. Why didnt it work?

@SOmething_Smart, any reason why you didn't RVS? Just curious.

I almost never do, for a variety of reasons, but mainly that I don't think random votes are necessary to leave RVS (lol), I don't think early wagons generally help to sort people, and I use my vote very sparingly so that it carries more weight.

Okay guys, you heard him. Everyone unvote, and use your votes very sparingly so that it carries more weight.
Wait a second......

Also, I just looked through all your posts again. You post very neutral, answer and ask a bunch of questions but haven't drawn any conclusions from them.
You have too many posts for me to link all of them, but I encourage everyone to ISO SOmething_Smart up to Post 310.

I think thats a very strong scumtell.

Ooh, I could take this in a lot of different directions.

For now let's go with this one. Let's assume that town-S_S draws plenty of conclusions, even early on. Since this is something very noticeable, obviously I'd be aware of it. Now, when playing in this game, with tons of people who know me, do you really think I wouldn't attempt to replicate that?

Um.. wtf kinda response is that? fuck meta mate I haven't even played a game with you.


This carries on to...

This post strikes me as scummy for not wanting to commit

Why's that scummy?

fencesitting. Like you.
Thanks Salamence for engaging with SS about this.

Lets go further with this.
If you were to suddenly die, we would gain 0 information regardless if you were scum or town. That's how you've been playing so far. Thats more scummy than NAI or towny.

Alim: Why is asking questions without sharing your conclusions scummy, especially this early game?

Nothings pinging your scumdar 17 pages in?

lol...

[alimdia]

@Salamence20, your post was too long to quote. I don't use meta, but the only game I have with mena is still ongoing.


@Dogwatch, did you see my last q at you? SS replied (abliet terribly), pls reply too

[alimdia]

I'm actually tired af atm so I'll reread your case against Amrun later, as well as his ISO

I haven't forgotten about this. Unfortunately I'm still busy atm so I'll delay this till tonight.

I will also look at the people that have posted less.

[alimdia]

@Mod V/la for the next 36 hours

Sorry guys

[alimdia]

Datisi, how come you guys are still going about the NAI for the Mena's scumteam shit ~ ~

Lets go further with this.
If you were to suddenly die, we would gain 0 information regardless if you were scum or town. That's how you've been playing so far. Thats more scummy than NAI or towny.

Maybe.

But don't pretend that this isn't true for anyone else. Just because someone made a vote, or got voted, and then flipped town, doesn't mean their vote was right, or that there was scum in the people voting them. (Inversely, if they flipped scum, it doesn't make the person they voted nor the ones voting them town.)

Information doesn't magically spring from flips. It springs from discussion. You have discussion, you form reads, you get flips, you look back and analyze.

If you wanted me to generate some reads, of course I could. I could pull names out of a hat, or maybe look at the alignment of the stars. Or I could try to read heavily into early game posting. All of these would have the same result: the reads would be garbage. And don't try to tell me that garbage reads are valuable post-flip.

I will share reads when I want, and not before. End of discussion.

Actually no, most other people we lynch we'll get more info than you. THe way you're playing is very scummy. You just sit back, post some fluff, interject some stuff, ask some questions with no follow up. Does nobody else see this as scummy?

Don't really like alim's push on SS. Feels like its based off of a playstyle clash and not on reasons why he thinks SS is actually scummy.

Also AF and DDL should tell the class why my exaggerated complaints about SS are AI

They aren't AI, but just like I said about alim's push on SS, I think it's a playstyle clash. The outburst just seemed unwarranted to me.

You meant the outburst when people say 'meta' when I have an actual case on them?

Mena, alim, S_S, Aaron can be Town

Thanks bby

[alimdia]

I'm updating my townreads to include AF and Datisi. Amrun is a spicy wagon that I think has p good odds of scum and I'm gonna join it, but right now I feel I got a stronger read on alimdia. I think the S_S tunnel is a distraction and disingenuous, and has given alimdia cover not to comment on anything else actually relevant going on.

I feel like I'm being misrepped here.

I'm actually tired af atm so I'll reread your case against Amrun later, as well as his ISO

I'm actually tired af atm so I'll reread your case against Amrun later, as well as his ISO

I haven't forgotten about this. Unfortunately I'm still busy atm so I'll delay this till tonight.

I will also look at the people that have posted less.

@Mod V/la for the next 36 hours

Sorry guys

Also me making the case against SS happened before the Amrun wagon went full on I think?

[alimdia]

Im uneasy about meanlque.

Why? You joined the wagon?

Thats all for tonight, had to catch up all my games, I will investigate the rapid Amrun wagon and its equally rapid collapse, along with the people in the wagon.

In the meantime, this is reminding me of another game where nobody ever follows my pushes.

UNVOTE:

[alimdia]

yeet pagetop

[alimdia]

@Salamence20, your post was too long to quote. I don't use meta, but the only game I have with mena is still ongoing.


@Dogwatch, did you see my last q at you? SS replied (abliet terribly), pls reply too

@SOmething_Smart, any reason why you didn't RVS? Just curious.

Also, I just looked through all your posts again. You post very neutral, answer and ask a bunch of questions but haven't drawn any conclusions from them.
You have too many posts for me to link all of them, but I encourage everyone to ISO SOmething_Smart up to Post 310.

I think thats a very strong scumtell.

YOu have lots of posts, made lots of neutral statements or fluff, but haven't had any conclusions.

VOTE: SOmething_Smart

DogWatch also has the same issue, but less obvious because they have less posts!

This prob isnt gonna go anywhere anymore but I don't think you've answered that yet Dogwatch?

[alimdia]

And also, Amrun should always be the lynch today.

If we lynch anyone else, it won't even matter what they flip, Amrun is still gonna be hot tomorrow. Better off lynching today and working from there (with wagon information from today). I know a bunch of players who are gonna look pretty ropey if Amrun flips red.

It's just the best lynch.

tbh same argument could be made for GL.

I agree with Salamence that DW is very opportunstic, but there are others also as opportunstic. They just post less so you don't notice.

Some examples I can point out right now is:
Creature: Read his ISO. Self explanatory
Texcat: He avoids the Amrun wagon but hops on the GL one. Then he shades me using what GL says in post #500.
As you mentioned, DW is also very opportunistic

[alimdia]

if we don't get any major serious wagons, then people aren't forced to give real opinions on anything. Amrun at L-2 or L-1 is important, it is something that every player needs to react to and puts scum in a more difficult position regardless of your alignment.

Five different wagons at L-6 or L-7 or whatever isn't a difficult game state for scum. They can just park a vote on convenient scumread of choice and then compromise Lynch to whatever's easiest once everyone starts panicking about deadline

Firstly, I want to apologise if I was tunneling on SS.
However, I already defended myself from your statements of me ignoring the wagons on purpose.

Let's get to some hot stuff. Lets see the quote I just quoted.
Now look at SS. He hasn't voted. He wasn't V/LA like me.

This will be my last response to the matter below. However, if you would like to reply to just the stuff above this, that's fine.

Um.. wtf kinda response is that? fuck meta mate I haven't even played a game with you.

Not a meta response! It deals exclusively with this game-- how I would hypothetically play in this game as town, and how I would hypothetically play in this game as scum.

Those are quite obviously relevant in reading me, and if you have an opinion on my alignment, it must mean you think there's a mismatch between the two-- I would fencesit as scum where I WOULDN'T fencesit as town.

With me so far?

Right, so what I want you to answer is, if I'm scum, do you think I'd be aware of the fact that as town I'd be making commitments, and then choose not to make them, transparently revealing myself to anyone who's ever played with me before?

I don't care how you hypothetically play as town or scum.
You'd play the same way both roles 'hypothetically'.
What you're doing is anti-town at best, scummy at worst.

Its scummy because you lean into any direction at any time. Its anti-town because you give nobody any info if you get lynched or NK.ed


@guiltylion, I could care less about your second hand meta, or any meta.
Once again, I have rpelied to your #486 about what the sequence of events was....
SAme with Aaaronfrost's #666, stop trying to feed me second hand meta.
I'm done with this argument. Don't worry. I am going to ignore SS now.... hopefully someone vigs him.

[alimdia]

it is also pinging me in a bad way that amrun wagon jumped up to like 5 votes within like 5 minutes of me starting it whereas I've been suggesting ddl is scum for like a day and yet there's no play on that wagon whatsoever, despite multiple people saying that they'd compromise there or expressing doubts around his slot

After reading, lost in the many pages is that part of the case on Amrun is actually his so called 'reaction test' against me.

@Mena, did you ever address that response in respect to your case?

[alimdia]

amrun [7] - Menalque, Datisi, Iconeum, AaronFrost,

{Dogwatch, GuiltyLion, Creature}

<-- Pretty sure at least one of these three are scum. Possibly more than one.

PEDIT: I think his hop on the Amrun wagon was the worst

I'm updating my townreads to include AF and Datisi.

Amrun is a spicy wagon that I think has p good odds of scum and I'm gonna join it, but right now I feel I got a stronger read on alimdia

. I think the S_S tunnel is a distraction and disingenuous, and has given alimdia cover not to comment on anything else actually relevant going on.

VOTE: Amrun

Why exactly did he join the wagon anyways? He makes it clear that his read on alimdia is much stronger but then joins the wagon after saying scum is on it because... why? How is he reading Amrun? He never says.

Earlier he also stated he townreads Icon, Mena, Dogwatch and Creature. Then before he hops on he includes me and Datisi in his townreads. That's literally the entire wagon right there.

first off - I see this happen a lot in mafia games. Someone acts scummy (regardless of their alignment), someone relatively town leader-esque presents a case, and a whole bunch of people town or scum jump on because the slot looks scummy.

That doesn't mean the suspicious slot is suddenly town now. You all are just assuming Amrun is town because a wagon sprung up. Good wagons can go fast especially if townies are mind-melding. I strongly disagree that wagon speed is ever indicative of alignment and if anything I think scum are often afraid to sheep onto fast mislynch wagons because they know it's a mislynch.

Then, you say, "there is no counter wagon!". What just happened on the last 4 pages should make it pretty clear that

I am now the counterwagon

.

Finally, I don't just hop on that wagon as scum. Like, let's make a similar argument S_S was making earlier in the game. If I, as town, always have novel and detailed and well-founded reasons to vote someone, why would I not make an effort to recreate those as scum? Do you really think scum!me is so blasé and arguably

stupid

to talk about how I think alimdia odds of scum are >> than Amrun odds of scum yet still vote the leading clear wagon?

I already explained that I was townreading the people on the Amrun wagon and that it's far more useful to join game-advancing wagons than to vanity vote in a game with a large number of players. I'm not townreading Amrun and so I feel comfortable voting for her. I'm not gonna pretend like I've got some cool new insightful scumtell that provides me with An Original Reason To Vote This Wagon when I don't have one, I just liked the case Menalque was making, didn't scumread anybody on the wagon, and felt it would be a good vote.

Please, people stop saying 'if I was scum I would do this. I didn't therefore I am town'.... Also SS's argument is shit btw, but lets not get into that again...
Finally... your spot , the counter wagon spot, what are you thinking of the people on it now? after this...

VOTE: GuilityLion

I am slightly skeptical though, because DW and texcat are both on this wagon.

[alimdia]

its funny because im above median in post count

That doesn't matter if the posts are fluff btw.

The only reason people are scumreading me is because I called out alimdia while hopping on the Amrun wagon. I've given my explanation for this - even though I had a stronger read on Alimdia, I didn't think that wagon would go, I thought furthering the Amrun wagon would be more useful for the game state, and I wasn't townreading Amrun and felt it was also a good vote. You can disagree with one or all of these reasons but those remain my motivations and I think they're entirely justifiable from a town mindset.

So if people are still scumreading me after that that's their prerogative, but it feels quite tunnel-y and shortsighted IMO. Notice how texcat has no proactive commentary about Amrun until pressured/forced to give it. If she were townreading Amrun, why not say that earlier when the wagon was in full force?

But now you are counterwagoning someone else, instead of trying to wagon me? Also, I've replied to your 'case' against me (me being v/la and other stuff), which happens to be similar to what SS said to me, to which you have basically ignored.

I think if I'm lynched Amrun should not be lynched for at least a few days and the first lynch should be between the people who aren't commenting on any of the D1 shit. texcat is bad but alimdia remains worse.

SO you're still talking about the same point about me, which I've already answered. I'll help you again. Posts 366, 599.
I talked about D1 shit in post 732.
Keep misrepping me though, I like where my vote is.

Please, people stop saying 'if I was scum I would do this. I didn't therefore I am town'.... Also SS's argument is shit btw, but lets not get into that again...
Finally... your spot , the counter wagon spot, what are you thinking of the people on it now? after this...

VOTE: GuilityLion

I am slightly skeptical though, because DW and texcat are both on this wagon.

like I want everyone who was suspicious of my Amrun vote (DogWatch, AaronFrost, tex, etc) as "likely scum on the Amrun wagon" to just... look at this. Just look at it. Assume that I'm town for a second and read this and tell me what you think.

maybe you should also quote the post that I quoted. Because I was responding to that. Nice lack of context?

Creature is posting elsewhere on site FWIW

So am I

.....

Like I have a high confidence in getting to a correct read on datisi (ftr I’ve read here right every game we’ve had together since our first) and I don’t see scum her yet

Like maybe a little from the hesitance to be in thread but she’s still a tonal TL so I’m not willing to go there today

p sure Datisi is posting less than usual but ye...

[alimdia]

VOTE: Creature

~ ~ back on GL please.

[alimdia]

Almida whats it going to take to get you on creature?

if creature is on L1, and deadline is <12 hours away.

Creature is v similar to textcat, DDR and DW. Idk how he got pushed over them.

[alimdia]

Almida whats it going to take to get you on creature?

if creature is on L1, and deadline is <12 hours away.

Creature is v similar to textcat, DDR and DW. Idk how he got pushed over them.

Do you townread creature or is it more “I dont vote lurkers”

I'm actually happy to push lurkers out because if they're scum free win, if they're town then I don't want them in lylo too.
But this game has a couple of vigs at least to take the lurkers out.

GL just seems more dodgy, with my recent posts explaining why.

[alimdia]

GL just seems more dodgy, with my recent posts explaining why.

I've said that the votes on GL were fluid poop. You think it's a mostly town wagon?

no idea about whos on the wagon, there might be scum bussing GL?

Would you say activity is scummier than no activity?

No activity is more anti-town than activity.

[alimdia]

Did someone say before that Creature would get on to post when he's in trouble? I forgot who said it

[alimdia]

What changed from:

Please, people stop saying 'if I was scum I would do this. I didn't therefore I am town'.... Also SS's argument is shit btw, but lets not get into that again...
Finally... your spot , the counter wagon spot, what are you thinking of the people on it now? after this...

VOTE: GuilityLion

I am slightly skeptical though, because DW and texcat are both on this wagon.

like I want everyone who was suspicious of my Amrun vote (DogWatch, AaronFrost, tex, etc) as "likely scum on the Amrun wagon" to just... look at this. Just look at it. Assume that I'm town for a second and read this and tell me what you think.

to this:

at the risk of sounding crazy I'm rereading and starting to have doubts about my alimdia scumread

Is it because you have been on 2 wagons, so saying that I'm still a stronger scum read is no longer holding merit?

Also, I dont think you responded to my latest posts.

Depending on what you say I might reconsider your wagon.

[alimdia]

Fuck it.

VOTE: DrDolittle

Creature and GL just look like such blatant mislynches to me.

So do you prefer no lynch?

[alimdia]

I guess the best way to summarize my flip flop actually is just that I don't think all of the people still voting me are scum and you look a lot better than DW/tex

My 2 wagons comment is that you hopped on 2 wagons after saying I'm scum and wanting to lynch them.
Amrun and Creature.

If you still say I'm scum then you're definitely scum.

[alimdia]

Almida whats it going to take to get you on creature?

if creature is on L1, and deadline is <12 hours away.

Creature is v similar to textcat, DDR and DW. Idk how he got pushed over them.

Hes L-2 and its almost 12 hours.

I kept the seat warm for ya. Get on

Thats L2 though

[alimdia]

Creature also said he wasn't claiming ever didn't he?

[alimdia]

@GL you have lately been displaying a kind of transparency that is looking more townie to me, I think you’ve been very levelheaded in defending yourself from an aggressive wagon and the more I read you the more my mind frames your posts as town perspective, if that makes sense. Your willingness to be wrong about alimida looks town considering the spot you were in at the time, I think scum would usually handle that differently?

UNVOTE: GL

I mentioned it before but I don’t see us getting anywhere with that today. Amrun made a good case for letting him sort himself out, and I agree with it. You don’t always vote your biggest scum read, sometimes you vote the scum read that has the best chance of flipping.

I don’t know who I’m scum reading right now. I thought amrun’s response to my vote was level headed and made sense. I don’t think my vote was particularly well reasoned. At the very least I don’t like her at L-1 right now.

UNVOTE: amrun

Leaning slightly scum on GL now, but I only skimmed his posts today so I need to go back through him. Creature I’m still leaning scum on slightly.

@amrun, you said earlier this looked like town!creature based on experience. Where are you now with him? I used to think he was easy to sort but I haven’t been here in years.

Everyone's response to DogWatch makes sense , is levelheaded etc etc after the wagon dissipates.

[alimdia]

Dont like resurrecting the amrun wagon. No creature post since his return has improved his position in my mind and I think I’m parking here:

VOTE: creature

Maybe I should put Creature on L1, dissapate that wagon and see what happens

[alimdia]

Intent 1 hour

[alimdia]

intent -4 hrs

Well 1 hour is close enough?

[alimdia]

If theres a town N1 gun:

If Creature is town shoot pret for acting informed

If creature is scum shoot alimidia

Prets posts about creature make me think he KNOWS this is town.

Almidia not getting on this wagon is bad.

what I said intent

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I can lit hammer now

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Intent 1 hour

intent -4 hrs

Well 1 hour is close enough?

Not liking this hesitamce tbh

I was debating just doing it when I got to bed or trust that Mena will do it.

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Whichever scum is offwagon will get a free pass to hammer and get away with it

I can lit hammer now

Sure, but put Amrun or Aaron L-1 the first RL day of tomorrow

so I'm town? ez

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If theres a town N1 gun:

If Creature is town shoot pret for acting informed

If creature is scum shoot alimidia

Prets posts about creature make me think he KNOWS this is town.

Almidia not getting on this wagon is bad.

idk why you're sharing me when I already said intent to hammer and the time wasn't up at the time ~ ~

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VOTE: Creature
Hammer

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If theres a town N1 gun:

If Creature is town shoot pret for acting informed

If creature is scum shoot alimidia

Prets posts about creature make me think he KNOWS this is town.

Almidia not getting on this wagon is bad.

Well gonna wait for the mod, otherwise WIFOM fest

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Scum can pick Guns, Aaron

it's kinda wifom but this made me townread aaron a little more since forgetting scum could pick gun would be more of a town perspective

Hah, it actually read to me as a fake ~townslip~

I explained my hesitancy to vote him at the time, and I also explained why I eventually moved from you to him, so I don't see why you find anything about it 'forced.'

This is like, my entire point though. You made very sure to explain to us throughout that you were scumreading Creature. Then when a wagon started on him, you made very sure to explain to us that you were not sure what to do. Then when you voted him, you made very sure to tell us why you were finally voting him. It reads like a mechanical and crafted/calculated scum trajectory, not organic town doing shit to try to generate information.

I also think it's a pretty comical accusation from someone who jumped on the amrun wagon the way you did.

"comical", why use that word instead of something that might describe my alignment? You're more focused on discrediting the content of what I'm saying than evaluating me. And are we really still talking about that damn amrun vote when there's been probably 1000 posts since then?

Did you not have very similar situation with alimdia when you voted amrun? I don't think these circumstances are as different as you think.

It would have been similar if
- I stated I was scumreading alimdia throughout the game, similar to how I had (I later changed my mind but that's kinda irrelevant to this)
- Menalque or some other person started an alimdia wagon and it got 3-4 votes
- I didn't vote alimdia and made a post declaring how unsure I was about moving my vote, despite the fact that I had proclaimed a strong scumread on him earlier in the game
- I waited until basically a day before deadline before finally voting alimdia
- Alimdia flipped town

It sounds like if we lynch amrun and they flip town, then the people on both wagons are very likely to be at least 2 scum.

However, if we lynch amrun and they flip scum, then the people in both are unlikely to be scum, or at least only one.

Finally, I think the town gun should claim if they are a Night 1 or Night 2 gun. It's basically a innocent child if nobody CC's

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uh those quotes I had them saved in Q+ and they accidentally got posted, lemme get to them ....

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Scum can pick Guns, Aaron

it's kinda wifom but this made me townread aaron a little more since forgetting scum could pick gun would be more of a town perspective

I think its day 2 now. Town 'slips' are too easy to fake and shouldn't be taken at face value.

Hah, it actually read to me as a fake ~townslip~

Yep

Did you not have very similar situation with alimdia when you voted amrun? I don't think these circumstances are as different as you think.

It would have been similar if
- I stated I was scumreading alimdia throughout the game, similar to how I had (I later changed my mind but that's kinda irrelevant to this)
- Menalque or some other person started an alimdia wagon and it got 3-4 votes
- I didn't vote alimdia and made a post declaring how unsure I was about moving my vote, despite the fact that I had proclaimed a strong scumread on him earlier in the game
- I waited until basically a day before deadline before finally voting alimdia
- Alimdia flipped town

Oh yeah, lets bring up how you changed your mind after being on 2 wagons
At that point your case against me was weakened by that you had no choice but to change your mind on me

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Oh one other thing I wanna say though, part of my reason for scumreading Amrun initially that I couldnt mention was her early game felt very different to me than her play in the High Noon micro game we just finished where I was townreading her, but she flipped scum in that game so ?? I think that makes her more likely town in this game lol

This is why meta sucks... And god if people use 2nd hand meta..

@GL, thoughts on DW's post 1418?
Love it when 2 SRs VS each other

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It sounds like if we lynch amrun and they flip town, then the people on both wagons are very likely to be at least 2 scum.

However, if we lynch amrun and they flip scum, then the people in both are unlikely to be scum, or at least only one.

Finally, I think the town gun should claim if they are a Night 1 or Night 2 gun. It's basically a innocent child if nobody CC's

Other than this, I think pushing DW, texcat or GL is the way to go today.

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V/LA from the 17th-18th of Dec

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V/LA from the 17th-18th of Dec

Can mod acknowledge? Actually its from 16th-18th now.

Finally, I think the town gun should claim if they are a Night 1 or Night 2 gun. It's basically a innocent child if nobody CC's

Also I don't think we should have the Town gun out, at least not yet?

Well if they're being pushed.

It sounds like if we lynch amrun and they flip town, then the people on both wagons are very likely to be at least 2 scum.

However, if we lynch amrun and they flip scum, then the people in both are unlikely to be scum, or at least only one.

Finally, I think the town gun should claim if they are a Night 1 or Night 2 gun. It's basically a innocent child if nobody CC's

I can't make heads nor tails of the first two sentences.

But the town gun should not claim. The only reason to claim would be if you were being lynched on the same day as your gun. Or perhaps they might claim if they were being lynched after they had used their shot.

Thats why I said NIght 1 or 2 gun? And a gun claim at L1 as a gun is.... I'm not sure if I believe that.

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Sorry also the first 2 sentences are basically saying that by lynching Amrun, we can figure out more info about who was on the wagon.

I think others have discussed that in the last 2 pages.

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I never said that. What I was referring to (and which struck me as odd) is that you listed out all the names Pret gave out as possible scumbuddies of mine. I think Town would be more likely to just name Pret's strongest SR (me) then to list a bunch of names out. Why did you a bit after listing them conclude that both kills were probably made by scum?

And how would that logic be still holding up if Creature were alive?

If it was a scum kill then at least one person in that list likely scum. Saying 'oh it must have been Datisi because that was Pret's strongest scum read' is very surface level.

And if Creature is still alive and scumreading me, then scum!me is going to do everything I can to look town. Since he was lynched, if I were scum I'd be breathing a huge sigh of relief right now.

Town!me isn't going to let another player's read on me effect how I play.

Do you think there's scum in that list? Who do you suspect?

And okay, but that logic could still only hold true if you were scum to begin with?

I think it's likely. Right now I think Dogwatch is the most likely to flip scum. I don't like how she opened today by saying the Creature wagon was town motivated and the Amrun wagon was scum motivated despite most of the players on the Amrun wagon being on the Creature wagon.

Yeah I suppose that logic could hold true but I think it'd have a harder time faking it as scum.

Wait I SR DW as well... but are you TRing Amrun atm or ?

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Wait I SR DW as well... but are you TRing Amrun atm or ?

I'm leaning town on her right now.

So you think both main wagons on D1 are T?

Care to do some wagon analysis then?

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Also work is kicking my ass.
Flying to china soon, hope this website isn't blocked there

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Oh one other thing I wanna say though, part of my reason for scumreading Amrun initially that I couldnt mention was her early game felt very different to me than her play in the High Noon micro game we just finished where I was townreading her, but she flipped scum in that game so ?? I think that makes her more likely town in this game lol

This is why meta sucks... And god if people use 2nd hand meta..

@GL, thoughts on DW's post 1418?
Love it when 2 SRs VS each other

Eh, I don't like that she says there's nothing alignment indicative in me voting her, but I'm not really sure that's something scum would say. Overall she seems to be playing very safe/cautious so far this game which makes me generally lean scum but I wouldn't be shocked to see her flip town. She's one of the slots I want to resolve and feel more decided on today but I think it might be useful to see her interact outside of me at this point

What are your thoughts on 1418?

This is like, my entire point though. You made very sure to explain to us throughout that you were scumreading Creature. Then when a wagon started on him, you made very sure to explain to us that you were not sure what to do. Then when you voted him, you made very sure to tell us why you were finally voting him. It reads like a mechanical and crafted/calculated scum trajectory, not organic town doing shit to try to generate information.

Because one of the criticisms of this game was that few people were explaining their votes, so it made sense to do that. I just think it's good to explain your thought process when you vote.

"comical", why use that word instead of something that might describe my alignment? You're more focused on discrediting the content of what I'm saying than evaluating me. And are we really still talking about that damn amrun vote when there's been probably 1000 posts since then?

I can't just state what I think? It struck me as funny, that's all. And I don't think your vote is AI, so there's no reason to describe your alignment in relation to it.

That post is very neutral.
If it were their only post, I'd let them off. But their flip flopping behaviour is really suspicious , esp from day 1

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Sorry also the first 2 sentences are basically saying that by lynching Amrun, we can figure out more info about who was on the wagon.

I think others have discussed that in the last 2 pages.

What’s your read on me, alimdia?

I think the case on you day 1 was pretty shet tbh. Your actual alignment is clouded because of that since you'd have defended the same way town or scum.
However there were 2 main wagons on day 1, and the other one flipped town.

Me lynching you would only ever be for complete vote analysis.

VOTE: Dogwatch
I'm also done with texcat (or if it happens.. .GL)

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prod dodge. chinas internet sucks
ill post more tomorrow

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pls dun hammer, idk whats happening. reading from page 66

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pedit: zzz

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why is SS using creatures last words to scumhunt, and why is there 2 pages of argument about whether creatures reads are good or not

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If the town gun is Night 1, 2 or 3, I think they should claim because it gives us 1 confirmed town, unless theres a CC, in which case 1:1 trade is fine.

However, the person they shoot is NOT confirmed town, because scum could be rose as well.

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Gamma I think it's weird that you think claiming Rose demonstrates "conviction", a vig claim from scum would be guaranteed to be CC'd so the only safeclaim is Rose. What say you to that

IMO the main advantage of massclaim here is we could likely conftown a vig and pseudoclear a rose if they shot already, which might force scum into different trajectories than they were planning

Talking about this post, it doesn't pseudoclear a rose at all


@Datisi I have caught up

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@ Datisi now that DDL flipped town can u explain how this affects ur Mena DDL theory (even tho u said it was not much confidence in it)?
Is mena more or less town now.

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Realllly dislike the GL case. Dislike to the point where I think this is the game we catch scum!Menal.

Icon is simultaneously shading and agreeing with Menal at points at his ISO.

between 691 and 702 amrun did not post

you had a townread on her

but then you say she hasn't been playing her towngame

Whattup with that, Doc?

DDL not responding in a townie way to a tunnel is like the best scumcase i've seen this game, and I don't have anything better despite *really* looking into this game.

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@DW can u also explain why amrun is ur top TR? (im assuming top of the list is towniest)

@Gamma Emerald, re ur q about my post 104, I was answering DDL's post 103. The quote was a mistake. (first times using Q++)
For the record I really hate your catchup style. You dont have to comment on every page nani, just the important ones.
Read up a few pages beyond the post you wanna comment, see if anyone else commented on it, and if it got responded to. It might be
obsolete.

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Again, what is the benefit to them claiming now (so scum definitely finds out who they are and gets a guaranteed kill) vs having them claim at L-1 if needed

Any scum at L1 would also claim gun then, can they be trusted at this point?
If they're one of the scum looking people they should claim now. If they are in no danger of being wagoned, then sure, keep quiet.
But I much prefer if its one of the scummy looking people that claims now so we either get a 1v1 or we stop a mislynch earlier.

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3) Another point, if he's scum he knows he won't get NK'd by scum and so if he's leading the game and widely townread he's going to need excuses for why he doesn't die. He's already been commenting/speculating about not being N1'd today. And if he doesn't die and he's championing a lot of mislynches, that's going to eventually look poorly on him - especially since he's also prideful about being good at this game. Therefore it's in his interests to have a foundation laid down for plausible scumreads on a scum buddy and eventually getting rid of bussable partners at some point when it becomes necessary, and DDL is definitely a bussable partner given how he's played this game so far.

Er you do know there are town guns right... Scum can get killed by town guns...

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S_S, reasons for alimdia TR? I'm kinda forgetting that slot exists honestly, and I almost find it a bit weird you've got a TR on them while you don't remember anything I've done?

wasn't I in ur town list in post 1568? (and 1912)

hm......

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Again, what is the benefit to them claiming now (so scum definitely finds out who they are and gets a guaranteed kill) vs having them claim at L-1 if needed

Any scum at L1 would also claim gun then, can they be trusted at this point?
If they're one of the scum looking people they should claim now. If they are in no danger of being wagoned, then sure, keep quiet.
But I much prefer if its one of the scummy looking people that claims now so we either get a 1v1 or we stop a mislynch earlier.

Who exactly are the scum looking people? Claiming it at L-1 still stops a mislynch and if scum were to claim gun then the real gun would CC and we’d either lynch scum or have a guaranteed scum lynch tomorrow

Whats the benefit to having a 1v1 now esp when that’s likely to draw focus away from sorting other slots

scum looking people to me = DW, (Datisi OR SS), Gamma Emerald (texcat's spot), maybe GL

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Those are also my reads ^

DW from ages ago. I can re-case later, but I dont think I noticed much of him doing sus shit when I was speed-catching up. Will reread later.
GA because I think scum was lurking on day 2 heaps, and it aint me. Texcat spot been doing nadda and if GA doesn't post some content soon he shoots right up the list.
Datisi because of my post above.
GL and SS I actually needa re-read and ISO again.

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Explain all of those and respond to the other point in that post about why we shouldn’t massclaim

We won't have a 1v1 if the town gun claims NOW before theres a wagon. Its unlikely scum claims a town gun here and initiates a 1v1? Thats what I think at least. Once we have a cleared, we can re-evaluate based on that new info.

We don't know if the extra kill on N1 was town or scum.
If it was the town gun on N1, we need to know that, because it means the scum are stockpiling guns for later and this could be LYLO or MYLO potentially....

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S_S, reasons for alimdia TR? I'm kinda forgetting that slot exists honestly, and I almost find it a bit weird you've got a TR on them while you don't remember anything I've done?

wasn't I in ur town list in post 1568? (and 1912)

hm......

yes you were
and then you dissapeared for a while

I never reappeared between 1568(or 1572) and 1912.....

VOTE: Datisi

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We don't claim what night roses we are obviously...

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S_S, reasons for alimdia TR? I'm kinda forgetting that slot exists honestly, and I almost find it a bit weird you've got a TR on them while you don't remember anything I've done?

wasn't I in ur town list in post 1568? (and 1912)

hm......

yes you were
and then you dissapeared for a while

I never reappeared between 1568(or 1572) and 1912.....

VOTE: Datisi

ok? I don't see the problem in "I've been TRing this slot, and while I still do, the read is growing stale, I'm forgetting it exists, and I find it weird that S_S has a read on it while "forgetting anything I've done" when I've been plenty active"

It's just that you and SS have the same read on me, but you ask him to explain yours while saying yours is stale.
Then a few posts later you make a new read list that has me as TR again.

I'm prob overreacting ig...
UNVOTE:

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I gave readlist already.

But now I adjusted it cos I reread what the context after Datisi explained and its correct.

Scum reads:
Dogwatch
SS
Gamma Emerald
GuiltyLion

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Also is anyone else gonna remention that fact that SS was sheeping Creature - a dead person?

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What about your TRs

Is that your SRs in order?

idk about Icon.
I think at least point, Amrun being an informative lynch is no longer, just because of SS


Fuck I have too many scumreads lmao

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S_S, what's on your mind? Any reads?

GL town, Menalque town, Iconeum town, alimdia town

DogWatch said something I didn't like a while back

Nvm that DogWatch bit I think 1719 is towny

Where have all the scum kills gone?
As our city's roses get pulverized
We've mislynched several townies, though
It seems we still aren't in LYLO
So stop dicking around and solve this game, ooh

Lit your only scumread is Amrun... Whos tunneling now?

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What about your TRs

Is that your SRs in order?

idk about Icon.
I think at least point, Amrun being an informative lynch is no longer, just because of SS


Fuck I have too many scumreads lmao

forgot to answer the last part.
GL is the lowest SR, DW and SS are on the same highest level and GA slot is literally because they haven't said stuff

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...do you know what a tunnel is?

I believe so, I did speedread your posts yesterday where you were basically on Amrun the whole time.

GL is the lowest SR, DW and SS are on the same highest level and GA slot is literally because they haven't said stuff

Why on earth is GL your biggest SR?

Sorry for the confusion, lowest SR meant less scummy out of the SRs

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My preferred lynch list today is:

{Texcat slot; s_s; datisi; alimdia}

In ascending order of preference.

I would require some convincing to lynch outside of this list; how much depends on which slot.

VOTE: gamma

Why I am in there by the way?

Also, I'm having very big difficulty comprehending that there isnt at least 1 scum out of the 3 main wagons on Day 1.

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so shouldnt GL be in there from your POV? hm...

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My preferred lynch list today is:

{Texcat slot; s_s; datisi; alimdia}

In ascending order of preference.

I would require some convincing to lynch outside of this list; how much depends on which slot.

VOTE: gamma

Why I am in there by the way?

Also, I'm having very big difficulty comprehending that there isnt at least 1 scum out of the 3 main wagons on Day 1.

You’re lowest because you’re my least confident. I just don’t feel great about anything you’ve put forward in the game.

Also, yes, probably at least one scum on those wagons but I’m going off my scumreads for now.

so shouldnt GL be in there from your POV? hm...

No - why? He’s one of my stronger townreads at this point.

What I was saying was that theres 3 main wagons on day 1 , if I remember correctly

Amrun
GL
Creature

There was also a wagon attempt on Aaronfrost but they flipped town.

So what I'm saying is one of the big wagons on Day 1 has to be scum, otherwise Mena is likely scum.

If you're town, you have to be POE'ing GL as scum, otherwise Mena. The fact that you're not... and instead have Datisi and I in your lynchlist just shot you up the scumlist for me.

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If you're doubling down on said viewpoint, who is the scum on your wagons then?

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Prob hold off on voting since this is mylo or lylo

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I believe so, I did speedread your posts yesterday where you were basically on Amrun the whole time.

That's called having a scumread. A tunnel is when you're absolutely 100% convinced that someone is scum, which I certainly was not.

Er i prob have to reread but I recall you being on amrun most of the day, citing creature.

After page 10 I trust S_S and distrust Iconeum, along with Menalque and alimdia
(FYI I’m officially doing the speed reading thing)

Page 10 I-

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Does he or does he not remind you of emps lol

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Icon seemed disappointed that there were very few Roses in a way that suggested he was scum who expect an easy kill-all-roses win
You seemed to defend Iconeum super early, when on top of the scum mindset I saw I don't think he did anything exceptionally towny
I covered the alim thing earlier I feel when I was doing more comprehensive stuff

I replied to your 'weird shit that alim said' already and you have yet to respond to it.
But you keep bringing it up. wtf?

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@DW can u also explain why amrun is ur top TR? (im assuming top of the list is towniest)

@Gamma Emerald, re ur q about my post 104, I was answering DDL's post 103. The quote was a mistake. (first times using Q++)
For the record I really hate your catchup style. You dont have to comment on every page nani, just the important ones.
Read up a few pages beyond the post you wanna comment, see if anyone else commented on it, and if it got responded to. It might be
obsolete.

here you go again @Gamma Emerald

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@GL if you think Amrun then Mena has to be scum, like see my 2170 and 2171.
Unfortunately I don't think both you and Amrun are town.

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So what I'm saying is one of the big wagons on Day 1 has to be scum, otherwise Mena is likely scum.

Eh, can you walk me through this?

My logic is that there were 3 main wagons, 1 kinda wagon (AF but he flipped town)
The 3 main wagons are
Amrun
GL
Creature (town)

So now both Amrun and GL are saying that each other is town. From Amrun's POV then, whos scum? Mena? Since he pushed the Amrun wagon hard. But no, Amrun says Datisi, me, texcat, SS is the lynchpool

Now, I believe it was Amrun and AF who started the GL wagon! So from GL's POV, if its TvTvTvT, then whos the scum?
Heres what he had to say:

If I had to like take a stab at the gamestate I think I'm still townreading Datisi, Ico, and Amrun, but I don't feel great about it. My gut scumreads are Smart and Menalque but I don't feel great about that either. Gammas slot is bad and I still want to lynch it, but we just lynched two bad slots that flipped town, and I don't have a confident read on Dogwatch or Alimdia. I kinda want somebody else to try to take charge for a little bit because I think somewhere along the way I've been buddied and I don't see it.

It's just my weird theory because Amrun or GL isn't being consistent right now.
For the record, I do have my other scum reads but I feel like I'm being taken for a ride right now. Might be why I was paranoid that I thought you slipped earlier Datisi.

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Also theres 8 ppl, 3 scum so about half the people are just pure BS'ing left and right

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Also theres 8 ppl, 3 scum so about half the people are just pure BS'ing left and right

nvm theres 9 ppl im high

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From Amrun's POV then, whos scum? Mena? Since he pushed the Amrun wagon hard. But no, Amrun says Datisi, me, texcat, SS is the lynchpool

Why does amrun have to scumread Mena just because he pushed a D1 wagon?

Was part of my posts I believe.

@Datisi, you're kinda also doing setup analysis here, there are roses, and there have been abnormally low amount of kills so far.

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I mean icon was also in the game with emps scum-lurking his way through

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keep thinking potential mylo = mind went to 5:3

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btw re AF's death, I did see someone say AF townslipped or something when I was speedreading

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I think it was SS but i gtg sleep so I can't check atm

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@DW can u also explain why amrun is ur top TR? (im assuming top of the list is towniest)

@Gamma Emerald, re ur q about my post 104, I was answering DDL's post 103. The quote was a mistake. (first times using Q++)
For the record I really hate your catchup style. You dont have to comment on every page nani, just the important ones.
Read up a few pages beyond the post you wanna comment, see if anyone else commented on it, and if it got responded to. It might be
obsolete.

here you go again @Gamma Emerald

that makes sense regarding the Q+ feature (which really needs an official explanation because it messes with everyone) but I still by wanting to know what the fuck your CC was for

er was a joke? literally explained within the next few pages. nobody took it seriously

Also theres 8 ppl, 3 scum so about half the people are just pure BS'ing left and right

What? There’s 9 alive

... literally covered the next page



sighs*

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Btw, I said alimdia’s PREVIOUS spot on the Creature wagon.

The hammer itself is null for me, or even maybe a little towny.

But alimdia is my lowest preference in my lynch pool.

What was my previous spot on the creature wagon? I voted creature like shortly after RVS and then SS,GL etc before hammering.

Also lots of ppl are floating, including GA

If hes town hes gonna be here at lylo
If hes scum hes gonna be here at lylo

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uh yes it was SS that said aaron townslipped

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honestly I wanted to vote GA for ages but I was scared that people would be like 'zomg 3rd vote on someone'

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SS if you are gun you should claim now

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Yeah I was at the start of the day

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Is there ANYONE that TR's SS here? Thats kinda whats worrying me

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and also GA

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SS if you are gun you should claim now

Not gun.

I don't feel bad about losing this game, nobody is interested in thinking critically, and they have not been since the beginning of the game.

I want gamma and icon back before hammer

intent to hammer in 48 hours or when gamma and icon come back and say their things

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Q+ sucks

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crickets*

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I wanna know what GA thinks of SS

and if GA is being dragged along as a mislynch (i dont really think so), what about SS?

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intent 24 hours or when gamma and icon come back and say their things

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I had early access to 2020 noobs

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We can just do a popcorn claim order, with Gamma starting

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extremely sceptical that scum didn't bother to kill of either (menal/datisi), which are prime targets for scum (to target) imo

explain this

please explain in what universe am i a prime NK target after that Day 3

i consider the both of you to be high on a scum kill list; menal above you

if we look at town lynch record, it's pretty blatant just terrible, which means most town are on the wrong track (or scum are leading town)

scum (which probably also took at least 1 extra gun?), had to kill off players. They didn't select either player who i'd consider high priority targets

That doesn't answer my question, why *are* we the prime NK targets? imo GL was THE prime NK target last night and lo and behold he's dead

Also if you think Amrun is Town then scum would be even more braindead to kill me because Amrun is suspecting me and they need just one wrong vote

try again

pedit: well i am not standing there so

Wait why is GL the prime NK target last night? I'm not seeing this.

That being said I do have theories of why theres so little kills so far, but will wait for claiming time

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I’m having tinfoil about Mena but more sure about Datisi and I don’t think they’re scum together? Plus menal has some mindmelding with me on this page alone.

I’ll bet the game in Iconeum town. Will never lynch there.

Completely supportive of claiming.

How come? Also Icon TR me ez.

Datisi is very likely scum out of the pool we have left. FMPOV it has to be you or datisi.

My tinfoil on you:

Out of this player list, I would pick you to NK Salamence20 and Pret on N1, easily. Also, I feel like you’d pick gun, and the high amount of bullets this game points to the gun-type players being scum. Also, I question your commitments to the lynches that you have pushed, in some ways.

In other ways, I had you as town for a reason and it’s fucking with my head.


I feel like it’s datisi/texcat/??? Alimdia?

Its pretty funny how yesterday I was saying Mena would have to be scum from your POV if SS flips town.
SS flips town and now suddenly you say 'Mena or datisi' followed by 'its datisi' after some pretty bad logic. (using meta basically)

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I feel like GA is scum and his buddies are all like 'yeah... I'm fine with a GA lynch', but that never actually happens.

[alimdia]

Sorry for my post #2492, I meant 'if GL flips town'

[alimdia]

My reads might be bad but I'm now SR'ing Amrun more too

[alimdia]

Just me trying to ask why Icon is getting TR by Amrun. The second part is just me saying Icon town read me (ez =easy)

[alimdia]

I gave readlist already.

But now I adjusted it cos I reread what the context after Datisi explained and its correct.

Scum reads:
Dogwatch
SS
Gamma Emerald
GuiltyLion

well.. I SR GL LOL

[alimdia]

toppp

[alimdia]

With my irrefutable logic, that means that Amrun must henceforth also TR me.

p.s. don't take this seriously

[alimdia]

@Amrun what do you mean? Icon didn't even mention your slot other than the claim order he preferred

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oops I missed the last sentence

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Also... is there anyone that is like... setting up on a lynch on Icon? I don't see anyone doing it?

[alimdia]

Pretty sure everyone is like 'yea gamma', which is worrying because he's either being dragged as a mislynch or actually scum and his buddies are getting credit while simultaneously spreading fear about gamma being a mislynch bait.

[alimdia]

I mean GA should give reads first otherwise he can just make anyone popcorn claim next without needing to give a proper reason

[alimdia]

I also don't actually think we should be claiming yet bc people should be reevaluating prior to massclaim, even if we do need to massclaim soon

partly because scum is more easily caught here if they do something like push the gun really hard as scum only to then realise they're dealing with conftown

um.. being wrong or pushing conftown before they're conftown does not mean they are scum.

I'm more concerned about your lack of addressal of *everything else*.

Ikr. Gamma slot is hella frustating. See this:

Pretty sure everyone is like 'yea gamma', which is worrying because he's either being dragged as a mislynch or actually scum and his buddies are getting credit while simultaneously spreading fear about gamma being a mislynch bait.

[alimdia]

I mean Gamma already claimed rose, so he's not the confirmed town...

[alimdia]

Conf town if any today is stronger then potentially no conf town tomorrow

Don't give scum a chance t kill there

idk what this means

[alimdia]

I mean I'm not saying gamma has not been terrible here, but I'm saying

I think being terrible is more likely to come from town

when potentially all scum has to do here is look townier than the next person and the game is donezo

like there's a reason why I'm not saying "oh yeah we should locktown gamma based on this" I'm saying "this is making me worried that gamma is still here as the default lynch and that combined with his entrance makes me nervous about rushing in on him"

why

because of the second part of that sentence?

I think town!gamma is slightly more likely to be defeatist here than scum!gamma

all scum!gamma needs to do is to try and be a little bit less scummy than the next person to win

whereas town!gamma who wouldn't know who scum is would have to effort only to potentially shift the lynch onto another town and lose anyway

i'm not justifying with with "if Gamma is Town we deserve to lose"
I'm justifying it by "I really don't think town!Gamma is going to start acting so Towny to live to 3p and actially win there so if he is town we lose sooner or later so let's end it sooner"

do you have any experience with Gamma?

The point where popcorn if used scummily can help us catch scum, is only valid if we actually catch scum first.

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Fuck Q++.

Response to first quote: gamma has been doing the same shit.
What Datisi is saying is either we never lynch Gamma or we 'reconsider' him at 3p lylo, cos hes reaching 3p lylo as scum or town. So rather than wasting time, we should do it now.

[alimdia]

Finally, my claim is backed up by breadcrumbs, so idm going whenever

[alimdia]

fine with whatever claim order tbh

[alimdia]

Glad ya all think I'm town, I think Amrun is SRing me though?

[alimdia]

I had my thoughts of Mena already, lemme refind it and put it all in one post. Will have my reads too.

[alimdia]

quick q cos im lazy
@amrun, do you think Mena is scum

[alimdia]

After some quick rethinking I think the town gun claiming today in the massclaim is better than hoping they survive till the next day

[alimdia]

Ye ima hold back my wagon analysis till its all done

[alimdia]

i gtg sleep should I just claim now?

[alimdia]

like in 5 mins

[alimdia]

I meticulously planned my choice of gun and slash or rose, so I could do this.

Let’s make things spicy.

I’m a Night 3 Rose.

Counterclaiming this shit.

^I'm Night 3 Rose

[alimdia]

who dafuqs the gun so I can half-solve

or be wrong who knows

[alimdia]

k so icon is le gun?

[alimdia]

day 1
amrun [7] - Menalque, Datisi,

Iconeum

,

AaronFrost

, Dogwatch,

GuiltyLion

,

Creature

GuiltyLion

[6] - texcat, Amrun,

AaronFrost, Salamence20

, Dogwatch,

alimdia

Creature

[8] -

Salamence20, GuiltyLion

, Datisi, Amrun,

AaronFrost

, Dogwatch,

Iconeum

,

alimdia

[LYNCH]


day 2
DrDolittle [6] - Datisi,

GuiltyLion

, Dogwatch, Amrun, Menalque,

AaronFrost

[LYNCH]


day 3
Something_Smart [5] - Datisi,

GuiltyLion

, Amrun, Menalque,

Iconeum

[LYNCH]

I had a post from before about Amrun's weird about turn. Yesterday I said from Amrun's POV mena has to be scum (or SS)
He disagrees heaps.
Then after SS flips he does a 180 and says Mena scummy but not really, then settles on Datisi.
Then says I'm scummy for SRing him cos of that.
Doesnt seem like town train of thought.

Mena scum means Amrun is town though

[alimdia]

I thought scum stacked 1-2 N3 guns tbh from the outlook yesterday, that's why when only 1 death I was like "I think i might know what happened", cos my rose is n3

but everyone copied me dafuq

[alimdia]

So either
Mena, DW, Gamma

or

Amrun, Datisi, Gamma

[alimdia]

zzzzzzz

[alimdia]

Ok I see someone's doing a gambit

that's not very helpful to my solve today isn't it?

ok so fmpov: icon is town, and i'm assuming everyone's TR of alimdia isn't wrong
means 3 scum in [Gamma, Amrun, Mena, DW]

Amrun and Mena aren't scum together - if they are i'll be very shook
and I don't think Amrun and Gamma can be scum together either unless Amrun was doing a weird ass bus the whole game on a teammate that wasn't that active?

which would leave exactly Gamma/Mena/DW - i haven't checked this wrt wagons tho

alim, one of your teams includes both Amrun and Gamma, you think they can be scum together? also how do you come to exactly those two solves?

Well its kinda fucked now cos it assumed Icon was conftown

[alimdia]

and I already forgot the logic for the 2nd solve

[alimdia]

and the first I think was half from wagon analysis, half from my SR on DW and GA from before

[alimdia]

I'd like to change my claim to Night 4 Rose

[alimdia]

GA comes in and claims gun

Everyone stands up and claps*

[alimdia]

Great game stalling.

[alimdia]

whoever's not claiming claim in the next 12 hrs

otherwise when u claim im voting you

[alimdia]

cos you wanna be anti town i'll show you how anti town is

[alimdia]

wtf 10 pages appeared while I was gone

[alimdia]

At this point I'm confirmed town without even being a gun ez

[alimdia]

Also DW seems to have replaced gamma as the 'everyone thinks they are scum' slot, now that GA may or may not be gun????

[alimdia]

which I mean I was SRing him earlier

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Btw people that say 'I dont see a solve without you'... literally everyone has the same POV btw

[alimdia]

without X person*

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idk im not drunk

[alimdia]

Btw people that say 'I dont see a solve without you'... literally everyone has the same POV btw

What do you mean?

datisi alim dw
alim amrun dw
datisi alim amrun

wtf is this game

menal i don't really see a solve with you not in it :s

I have basically the same problem wrt you

At this point I'm confirmed town without even being a gun ez

how

idk im not drunk

i'd like an actual response tho

I'm not claiming gun if thats what you're asking.
I was trolling btw,

[alimdia]

@DW when you get on can you claim
'gun'

or

'im rose and if i ever claim gun in the future lynch me'

[alimdia]

I did a solve a while ago with wrong info. I also have a case of how 1 of {Amrun, Mena} has to be scum. You called it garbage and Datisi was scum.


I definitely also feel pocketed by Icon

[alimdia]

I was trolling btw

was that post wrt to being conftown meant to go in the scum pt?

......

[alimdia]

Also if solving again like....
DW or GA whoevers not gun

Amrun/Mena and Datisi ig? I needa reread Icon. My brain still thinks hes conftown when he went last in claim and nobody claimed gun, I needa fix that.

[alimdia]

I thought scum stacked 1-2 N3 guns tbh from the outlook yesterday, that's why when only 1 death I was like "I think i might know what happened", cos my rose is n3

but everyone copied me dafuq

I'd like to change my claim to Night 4 Rose

@alim, what was this about?

The second one was trollin when nobody was claiming gun

[alimdia]

I'll put more effort in once we have DW claim.

I'm a bit annoyed since I put in effort when I thought Icon was the gun and turns out he wasn't.

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I was trolling btw

was that post wrt to being conftown meant to go in the scum pt?

......

I don't see why you would post that as town tbh

I don't get it. Is this a push or?

[alimdia]

And if datisi or icon is scum after all this, just fuck me

Why is Datisi suddenly town to you?

[alimdia]

If amrun has been faking this AtE, it deserves a scummy imo

I don't think frustration at the no claim needs to be faked as scum?

[alimdia]

my main townread is alim

Can you talk about this? I don't really see how.

Actually I don't see scum motivation in alim giving a 48hr hammer notice, I had him as POE scum but I'm rethinking that

So your TR on me is because I gave 48 hr hammer notice?
Since you had me or datisi as scum day 3

[alimdia]

Alright literally with GA afk, scum will never get lynched here, only town, since needs all 4 town to lynch a scum, unless scum busses here?

So... can we rep him, we only have 3 days left

[alimdia]

you also had me pretty early on in your preferred claim order

[alimdia]

First, Bingle I hope you know that scum has a NK as well in addition to any guns

Secondly, I thought we all knew I was trolling when I changed my claim. I had breadcrumbs for night 3 rose and shit that I Showed ya all...

[alimdia]

I think Bingle’s alim point is good, and his plan is good.

I think the lynch should be DogWatch. No truly viable teams work without her or alim in it, and alim is out for obvious reasons.

@Amrun whats your post 3138 doing/implying?

[alimdia]

Alim, why did you change your claim?

I was trolling cos I thought someone was trolling by not claiming gun.

First, Bingle I hope you know that scum has a NK as well in addition to any guns

Secondly, I thought we all knew I was trolling when I changed my claim. I had breadcrumbs for night 3 rose and shit that I Showed ya all...

Damn, I was hoping you'd stand by the claim. That makes this more complicated.

Why did you think you were worth keeping around by casting doubt on your ability to be nightkilled?

See above

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Like even if I’m wrong on all my townreads, and both datisi/Ico are scum, DW or alim is the partner, never Menalque.

If one or more of them is right, both DW AND alim is scum.

Btw This doesnt even make sense. Your TR of datisi came out of nowhere 'tone'.

Realising that from my POV theres 5 people to sort and 3 of them are scum, I too can say that X and Y person are always scum after 1-2 TRs by using POE. It's really lazy logic, I've actually got a case on Amrun or Mena being scum but nobodys bothered to read/comment on it and we kinda just wasted a long time on this 'massclaim'

[alimdia]

I think Bingle’s alim point is good, and his plan is good.

I think the lynch should be DogWatch. No truly viable teams work without her or alim in it, and alim is out for obvious reasons.

@Amrun whats your post 3138 doing/implying?

Sharing who I think we should lynch today? I’m sorry, I fear I’m not understanding your question?

This is 3138

Same for alim - they don’t care, really, they’re just being flippant and more worried about being seen as town than solving the game.

please show me where you are seeing alim do this?

Please see alim’s posting on this page.

yeah not seeing it

She was literally saying she was obvtown, we’re both questioning her on it. I’m super behind, crazy at work, first day back

Show me her solving??

No, show me where alim is trying to be seen as town

[alimdia]

@Amrun what do you think about my statement on the last day and today that one of you/Mena must be scum?

[alimdia]

I feel like you went through my ISO deciding I was already scum and is just massively shading me. I'll get on a rebuttal when I get home because some of these points are just trash lmao.

[alimdia]

I point out sus shet ye, I think day 3 and after I got hella lazy and demotivated though.

[alimdia]

on my way home fellas

[alimdia]

Didnt the conftown say he wasn't doing Amrun?

[alimdia]

So if Amrun is scum this won't go through, unless some bus