Epilogue! - [Endgame]

[shellyc]

16 pages i was not expecting this

whats the tl;dr

[shellyc]

so im skimming isos.

broadly townreading {Bell, Ydrasse, Hectic} atm. also hectic seems like his clowny town self, bell is inquisitive and i like that, and ydrasses early accept is bold and I don't think scum makes that move so early on

also like tone of these three players

[shellyc]

If I went for the straight meta dance pair I think I probably read Hectic well compared to site average.

He's been scummy so far though X_X

can you explain scum!hectic?

[shellyc]

ydrasses early accept is bold and I don't think scum makes that move so early on

I disagree with the premise that scum wouldn't accept early proposals

its wifom but I don't see scum!motivation in a move that limits who your lover is very early on

[shellyc]

That's easy:

If they don't accept, they need a reason, and it can look scummy to sort of shop around with proposals

i'd imagine it to be fairly easy, like disbanding an rvs wagon (note that I'm someone that hasn't played a dance game)
why would you believe shopping around proposals as scummy?

[shellyc]

ok I read taylor's iso

taylor is blunt town!taylor I think? enough chill clowning but also some proactivity which townpings like 317. looking into dunn next

[shellyc]

What about chemistry.

*looks at ladies*
I shoulda been a lady.

What about physics

I’m okay with dancing upside down.

Fk, i’m So excited for this game. I wish it was tmrw afternoon already.

Is there a reason it’s important not to pick a scum partner as town?
I want to think about who I wanna partner with but not sure if I wanna pick someone who might be scum and drag them down to hell with me or if I want a town buddy to talk with.

Sorry but I'm scumreading this post

dunn can you explain why you SR bell's this?

[shellyc]

i dont really have a strong ping either way reading dunn's iso, it seems filled with a lot of mechspeak and a few poking questions
GTH scum, since i believe mechspeak is an easy way to get towncred

[shellyc]

59 doesn't devote much attention to how town!Isis feels about the proposal (both flavours of Hectic know I hate it). If I'm 100% of the players Hectic knows are town, how I feel about it matters a lot. If I'm less than 10% of the players Hectic knows are town, how I feel isn't that important compared to other benefits 59 might provide.
I wineswap the WIFOM of the middle comment of 142 mostly scum, this is week.
157 is noncommittally thinking out loud and heavily de ja vu's me to his scumgame in Nightmare, where town Hectic moreso immediately and irresponsibly commits himself to new ideas and disabuses himself of them just as quickly.

1. if hectic clearly knows you hate it why would scum!him propose to ic!you and risk losing cred?
2. why is "I can confidently TR isis" scummy? elaborate
3. I'll look up that game later

[shellyc]

Dunnstral has done some things that are scummy for most people and probably not scummy for him. Including something I already scumread him for lol

mind if you point out the thing that you SR him for?

[shellyc]

personally i dont mind if u pair with hectic

hectic is a bit of a wildcard so removing his ability to suicide would be pretty nice to make sure there are zero suicides

This doesn't feel like a town train of thought, this looks like an excuse not to pair with Isis

i kind of vibe with this, 458 is a scummy post

[shellyc]

isis in the lady list and i thought only gentlemen could propose?

[shellyc]

pagetop

[shellyc]

hectic is still tone!town

reading nightmare didnt really change my mind

[shellyc]

shelly who do you want to dance with?

i will look over the setup in more detail now and decide if I want to pair with town or scum
if town; probably hectic - I trust his reads for one, I'm townreading him and I also have a certain familiarity with him so he wont be able to deepwolf in our pt if he was to be scum
if scum; GTH okapoka

[shellyc]

shelly shelly shelly

Have you started shifting your scum meta?

hectic have you started shifting yours?
to answer you, i'd say yes, but im town here so it doesn't matter

[shellyc]

Do you think I have a clear/readable scummeta though?

you present yourself as likeable/charismatic as both alignments, but I think town!hectic is a bit more keen on re-evaluation while scum!hectic is more assertive through a read of your scumgames

[shellyc]

taylor schwift: 400 is after 410

in post 400, for your reference since you so kindly inquired, I pointed out that I early townread the slots "Bell", "Ydrasse", and "Hectic".

[shellyc]

i read the thread and feel reasonably confident to give my GTH reads on the playerlist:

DrippingGoofball - tone + early proposal is townpinging.
deleuzional - proposing in FIRST POST is a whole new level of townness than early proposal. it's a move that I think scum never make here.
Hectic - I still stand by my TR here so far, liked the poking at me.
MariaR - 308 feels lamist in a "why am I not being TR'd" way which is scummy. rest of the posts feel quite overeager in pairing up. scumlean atm.
Dunnstral - lots of mechspeak, which is easy towncred for scum. i feel like interactions with me were genuine and they even admitted that i might SR them though? torn on this slot.
Bell - I'm townreading this due to inquisitiveness. Bell has quite obvious differences in their town/scum play and I'm confident in my ability to sort here.
beeboy - not posted
OkaPoka - heavy pushing of "policy clowners + suiciders" feels like fakesolving moreso than hunting scum
PookyTheMagicalBear - I'm giving this a /pass on tone. pooky is a player that is tonally different as scum
Isis - IC
Tayl0r Swift - town by virtue of bluntness and feels more lighthearted while as scum taylor'd be more uptight/efforty
Akarin - im terrible at mech so not sure how accepting the dance invite = scum? otherwise really null
The Bulge - completely cant get my head around early posting, null.
Ydrasse - before the end of day 1 there's usually a point in town!ydrasse's posting where it becomes transparent that she's town. I think she's hit the mark for me.
shellyc - look at me im so town
Firebringer - blunt and direct, townlean but weak
Doctor Drew - early acceptance i'd say it +town, tonally like this slot as well

[shellyc]

this is a weird take given that ydrasse has 17 posts

soulreading is gold
do you have a read there?

shelly feels like a lot of busywork and not a lot of content to be honest

may i request you to quote the parts where you feel like I'm doing "busywork"

[shellyc]

i hate this game, its just over 24 hours and the threads exploded

re: me having many TRs - I was trying to read everyone's iso and get a feel for their alignment, and i tried to put out a read no matter how weak it was to generate discussion

[shellyc]

oh also re: me not caring about who to dance with

I've never played a dance setup and don't really know how to approach pairing so i was thinking it'd be better off treating this as mountainous for the first few RL days to not clog up my thoughts but alas that shall not be

bell might be interesting imo. i'd want pooky to suicide from this list by the grand process of elimination

[shellyc]

i will reread hectic though given that he's the consensus SR aorn

[shellyc]

yes taylor schwift

i wont get burnt out d1 lol, I've been in larges with exploding threads before

[shellyc]

shelly lets coordinate though yeah? make sure we work together to get optimal pairings?

What are you thinking right now?

I'm taylor (slightly serious though we have hydra'd)

hectic on my whimsical reread still doesn't ping. i feel like a lot of the hectic SR is due to "meta" which isn't expanded upon anyhow

[shellyc]

you and taylor just chilling in scum pt seeing how to endgame?

help me find that pt scummate, it's not in egosearch

[shellyc]

oka where are you at with hectic? i realise you want hectic to be policy'd but regardless of that whats your alignment read on him

[shellyc]

i dont want hectic to be policy'd?

or "the group of suiciders" etc

just a large chunk of your iso is spent on dealing with suiciders which you include hectic in.

[shellyc]

*iso ctrl+f hectic

[shellyc]

oh good. i kinda wanna dance with hectic. i think it would be fun, although i think it would be way more fun if one of us is scum. hectic, if youre scum can you subtly tell me and then we can dance and ill forget the signal and see if i can actually catch you?

[shellyc]

also who is shellyCult

taller swift I'm not sure on pooky anymore
i have been tinfoiling with an "all 3 town" theory

[shellyc]

hectic my love should i accept you for the brighter and better

dunn, scumcase hectic
oka, still waiting for your read on hectic

[shellyc]

i kinda think all the scum have paired up by now. there were some silly pairings.

what do you consider silly here

[shellyc]

Dunnstral is a big meanie

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hoctac plz obvtown

[shellyc]

i really don't know lol, could be, could also not be, could fit into so many teams and at the same time is easily replaceable by anyone

Hmmm.

this feels scummy in term of content and townie in terms of tone help

[shellyc]

i want pooky > hectic/bell. pooky feels very unconcerned overall about everything which is scum!AI, also the tone feels really pockety like scum!him is

[shellyc]

should i accept you hectic

[shellyc]

Accept hectic

sorry swizzy. this is MINE.

i'd highly recommend doing bell

[shellyc]

lmao shelly really just stole taylor's man

also you guys were supposed to collaborate or something idek why im complaining i love the drama

taylor can pick bell and kill scum!pooks.

[shellyc]

im heavily leaning towards pooky through further reads of the iso

pooky is just super pocket-y regarding hectic yet showing almost no concern towards the dance, the kick

[shellyc]

i am regretting my impulsiveness alreadyyyyyyyy

[shellyc]

It's hard to care when the person you want to dance with just ignores you.

taylor hasn't been "ignoring" you, shes put in as much as effort to you as to most of the plist

[shellyc]

I'm hyped!

I'll vote in oka/FB or maria/bulge or DGB/doctor for now

other pairs I pretty much townread one or more person

My TR on swizzle has been solidified by pooky interactions there. not sure pooky showing a lot of desperation for taylor to partner him would be s/s since they could have just done it in the scum PT.

[shellyc]

Give me the WHY on mariabulge so I can make that Decision

[shellyc]

im actually leaning DGB.

I've caught up on DGB's push on dunn for saying "Too many TRs". That was ~scummy~

DD's iso is rather Lackluster. Accepting early for cred and coasting along then, sounds like a decent scum!strategy.

VOTE: DGB-Doctor Drew

[shellyc]

I think I'm DGB-DD then oka-FB then maria-bulge

mariabulge hasn't really been fleshed out anyhow. why is that the s/s pair? I haven't spotted something indicative of "obv s-s" in maria-bulge parts

[shellyc]

Ydrasse, give me some shotgun reads

I'm quite torn on Bell atm as well.
Ellitelling hard. Tone is good though. And what are the odds of 2 scum in F3?

[shellyc]

i have a lot of weird reasons to personally have maria on the top of my scumlist that won't convince you so ill let dunn convince you its maria and let leuz convince you its bulge but im just giving the closest thing to a rational explanation in my head that its maria + bulge (s/s explanation)

I'll listen, I'll give you a shot, go ahead-

[shellyc]

it helps sort both mariabulge and you which are both focus slots for me today.

[shellyc]

shelly stop with the elitelling. for one thing bell is active in our PT atm.

and yeah, pooky told me sometimes you have to be brave and play the hero. i went with my gut and caught a snuggly looking bear that was actually just a nasty snake.

i trust you taylor. both me and hectic are TRing you quite hard.

ydrasse is tonally town.

[shellyc]

way pooky and hectic acted pregame makes me think they aren't a team

I'm a bit concerned by this. exactly.

I think Ydrasse can back me up on this - last time I saw pooky rolled scum in a mini normal, he buddied his partner Ydrasse HARD.

[shellyc]

pooky and i have a thing where we were lovers together once so i’m unsure actually if the specific meta/dynamic we have together is applicable to others

Eh...

Still it shows pooky is *capable* of this as scum, and pooky has *history* with hectic.

I think hectic in the pt has been quite decent though.

[shellyc]

why is hectic posting in the pt and not here

he just told me a tinfoil about luez!scum that involved alt outing so...

[shellyc]

THAT MAKES IT WORSE WTF

I feel like it's a very specific and hard-to-fake as scum thought tbh.

[shellyc]

im glad im not the only one.

we can be shared hectic lovers...

[shellyc]

you know i've only played with a snapshot of hectic from a few months ago but has he ever just spewed such townie train of thoughts everyone chuckled to themselves and thought yeah he is town.

problem is we can't know if hectic is smurfing on u cuz he is using a private PT so let us bring these conversations to the light ahh

I've hydra'd with hectic and knows how he thinks, he's got a lot of hard-to-fake paranoia/tinfoil theories (such as using the timing of a reaction test to out me as scum correctly before).

Can't quote because it'll out the hydra but the summary is - luez is a player that is charismatic as scum and hectic knows luez's main and luez's main is paranoid about hectic and butters up to hectic

[shellyc]

im just asking if there is any value in doing the dgb and dd lynch now, like do you guys have any pressing associatives you have to see before you can flip others or are they just two generically scummy slots that can wait one flip. one flip is the difference between having another pair of townies analyzing some other flip instead of the results of dgb and dd.

If they flip T we go for the Dunn/Aka pair if they flip S we let Dunn debate on his own partner and leave them alone for a minute so yes.

slight ping for being dictatey.

[shellyc]

I'm townleaning dunn now for inquisitiveness and proactiveness, but hectic disagrees

[shellyc]

You're gonna hate me if I start trying but should be fine

are you fine with me hating you or what

[shellyc]

I hate preflip stringpulling ftr.

it’s a good way to chainlaunch town

[shellyc]

which means oka/maria are pretty high up on my Radar

[shellyc]

i mean really flipping me and fire would be more interesting right? there are a lot more people who are split on that ticket

I'm on board with that

[shellyc]

this gamestate solidifies me wanting to nuke one of the three i listed at SoD

[shellyc]

i want to vote scum oka

[shellyc]

here is a general reads list with no notes or comments:

DrippingGoofball-Town
deleuzional-Town
Hectic-Scum
MariaR -Scum
Dunnstral- Town
Bell-NullTown
beeboy-NullScum
OkaPoka-First Mate
PookyTheMagicalBear- Scum
Isis-Queen Scum
Tayl0r Swift-LeanScum
Akarin-True Null
The Bulge-NullTown
Ydrasse-NullTown
shellyc-NullTown
Firebringer- King of the Pirates
Doctor Drew-NullScum

sell me on dgb town because that's a hot take.

[shellyc]

also why is taylor still scumlean

[shellyc]

Isis talk to me about what "townie stuff" deleuzional.'s done in your opinion. banning you from using "early proposal"

[shellyc]

i feel like a lot of the suicide discussion is white noise, which probably is scum!AI here

[shellyc]

me and hectic kinda arranged a townblock of {shellyc, Hectic, Isis, Taylor, Bell, Ydrasse}
hectics posting in the pt I like, there have been multiple theories that I think are pretty hard to fake as scum, also there's a healthy dose of paranoia that doesn't sound pocket-y towards me

the rest of these reads have been explained at multiple points in my iso

[shellyc]

That’s not how townblocs work

its not precisely

I'd rename it a {shared TRs territory} if you want

[shellyc]

hi my friends why has there been 20 more pages and hectic hasn't posted in the pt

[shellyc]

is there anything worth reading

tl;dr on scum luez (hi menal!)? looked at the latest vc

[shellyc]

i TR ydrasse and would strongly recommend not flipping there

[shellyc]

heh, "TMI = making a read" is the new trend now

Ydrasse!town stems mainly from tone (I have a high accuracy in this department), the catchup on dgb feels genuine, the reaction to pooky flipping scum, and also the early acceptance of deluez where scum aims to partner with IC

[shellyc]

can ydrasse pair with ic? (no)

Explain.

And address the rest of my points.

[shellyc]

Why do you feel the obligation to apologise for inactivity when you've been having IRL busyness going on, if you're town?

[shellyc]

you are ignoring my question - Why can Ydrasse not pair with IC?

[shellyc]

because fakegod does not support lesbian relationships?

whoops did I completely forget that rule

anyways, do you think "cred as scum" is the only motivation for ydrasse to make that move as scum. do you scumread ydrasse?

[shellyc]

i dont really have much of an opinion on ydrasse atm

Why are you evaluating/scumreading someone (me) through your null read?

Do you buy the rest of my case having looked at it?

[shellyc]

i dont really have much of an opinion on ydrasse atm

Why are you evaluating/scumreading someone (me) through your null read?

Do you buy the rest of my case having looked at it?

i just think voting your pair is something productive and i do agree with isis to an extent that you could be tmi'ing ydrasse - but its more that i find it strange you keep mentioning ydrasse instead of leuz

i really have no opinion about the content on your towncase of ydrasse

little known fact that I dislike alts

are you judging me off the fact that I'm not voting my pair

[shellyc]

- I have experience with Ydrasse
- in the past I have a (3/3 pretty sure) accuracy of reading Ydrasse
- I believe ydrasse is easy to read off tone and will obvtown when town

"i just think voting your pair is something productive "

[shellyc]

Shellyc who is Last Pair

according to fakegod's OP the last pair formed in predance is {Bell/Tayl0r Swift}
let me know if you want me to give a different interpretation

[shellyc]

i dont know how to put this without sounding rude but have you ever heard of pressure votes and info lynches?

I'm not offended

Why would I, having an understanding of hectic's alignment with his posting and my pressuring in the PT, and having come to a conclusion of probtown!hectic, vote my lover?

unless you're referring to something else in which case tell me

[shellyc]

i just think voting your pair is something productive

answering my first line: why are you scumreading me

[shellyc]

me: oka why are you scumreading me
oka: voting your pair is something productive
me: ok but why are you judging me through voting my pair
oka: Why would I judge you that way

...
(At least how I interpreted this convo)

[shellyc]

i just think voting your pair is something productive

are you judging me off the fact that I'm not voting my pair

p-edit: hm.

[shellyc]

GTH - tayl0r swift-bell? I have doubts about bell but I think the "I actively chose to post less and not be active here" might be too scummy to be scum, taylor-pooky being s/s is really far-fetched

[shellyc]

well for one thing its shelly.

hi taylor

I'm pretty sure there's a site clause making me roll town every game ever since mafiascum thought the RNG gods were unfair during my early days

[shellyc]

Hectic whats pinging you about FB? just the pooky-hectic s/s theory?

[shellyc]

deluez (hi mena!) did you want to have a conversation with me, I noted that from my skim

[shellyc]

She has not, we’ve only talked a little bit about drew, DGB, oka, and beeboy so far

can there be like a tl;dr of your opinions because you two in contention for being my second-hardest TR
me/hectic are scum on drew-dgb, haven't talked a lot about oka, hectic is townreading beeboy for some tinfoily reasons

[shellyc]

sorry btw, i thought you claimed it at some point since many of your posts implied it

[shellyc]

You-hectic — idk, I feel uneasy with both of you, I don’t really townread you because I don’t think you’ve done anything outside your collective scumrange. Isis scumreading hectic also makes me feel uneasy about him, and idk if I trust his argument about not outing me in scum!PT because I still don’t think that would be an unreasonable thing for him to do. Fundamentally I’m not sure I’d ever get confident enough in you both to let you endgame so I’d prefer to elim you before then, and rn you seem like decent contenders for “both sort of scummy-to-null”. If you have a compelling reason for why neither of you can be partners with pooky, I’ll listen to it

i do not have a scumrange, its infinite

you could reread how I called for pookys head near EoD predance and actively told t-swizzle to pick pooky over bell despite pooky still having a shot

[shellyc]

i'll phrase it another way

as town I do not townslip/go out of my scumrange

[shellyc]

is the only reason for scum!me "shelly in her scumrange!"

also the hectic logic sounds convoluted and a bit reversed (you decided to SR hectic then tried to find reasons for it) which alarms both of us.

[shellyc]

VOTE: maria-bulge

re: ydrasse somewhere, i am deliberately playing differently as either alignment since circa mini normal 2175(as town to stop tunnelling once I see one scummy thing, as scum to manipulate my scum!meta)

[shellyc]

what's the case on bell/t-swizz at all btw

I just cant imagine bell/taylor/pooky being all scum at EoD, there was some convincing done by pooky towards taylor and that proves taylor town. bell's lack of activity is eh but his earlier posting was fine and the "I'm avoiding this game" doesn't come from self-aware bell!scum

[shellyc]

taylor what is your read on bell from the pt?

luez has gone downhill really, I don't feel sincerity in the interactions with hectic and withholding the scumtell is weird and then luez slowly backtracks saying he "slightly prefers us" ultimately

[shellyc]

btw, I'm townreading oka, i see enough townie fire/tone especially when town does not follow his opinions

[shellyc]

i think the scumcase on me is just "shelly isn't out of scumrange/hasnt townspewed/towntelled" when I arguably get townread more as scum vs. as town.

correct me if I'm wrong

[shellyc]

shelly whats your scumpool?

i'd say roughly ordered:
MariaR - The Bulge
OkaPoka - Firebringer (Fire here because I sorta like hectic's case there in the pt)
deleuzional - Ydrasse (luez here)
beeboy - Isis (beeboy here)
Dunnstral - Akarin (kinda null on both, could flip)

[shellyc]

ok im all caught up

bell!scum is based off early play which I don't see a problem with (please quote specific posts) + EoD, but bell/taylor/pooky all 3 scum seems *very implausible* imo. i don't think that scumteam lacks organisation/planning.

taylor is most likely town by virtue of picking pooky + interactions with pooky.

[shellyc]

the opinion of bell!scum which I disagree with is based off early play which I don't see a problem with (please quote specific posts) + EoD, but bell/taylor/pooky all 3 scum seems *very implausible* imo. i don't think that scumteam lacks organisation/planning.

EBWOP

[shellyc]

dunn townlean i feel much less confident aboutand he's basically null now:
-made it his top priority to push ydrasse to post for some reason? because the conspiracy theory was luez covering for her and ydrasse lurking? tbh this is convoluted and doesn't make a whole lot of sense
-agreed with maria flip "pretty scummy maria removed a t-t pair" but has now showed derailing/reluctance to flip there.

[shellyc]

I'm not sure that either of these are true. It was never my goal to get Ydrasse to post, I commented on it happening as a hindsight sort of thing.

eh ok.

are you willing to flip maria today?

[shellyc]

how is it a false dilemma?

I don't think a bell/pooky/taylor team are unorganised and I don't think pooky practically begs taylor/ignores bell to partner with him if they were s/s

[shellyc]

The false dilemma is
Bellswizzle is S-S || Voting Bellswizzle is a good idea
Can be both

i still dont get what you mean?

[shellyc]

So yeah, I think I'm gonna
VOTE: Bellswizzle

Seems pretty fetch

what do you think seems pretty good for bellswizzle!scum?

[shellyc]

imo

that slot should endgame but im in the minority here

[shellyc]

i still dont get what you mean?

@isis

[shellyc]

It's either scummy because you think proving Bellswizzle isn't S-S is sufficient to prove they're a bad vote, or because you're wasting time on such unimportant analyses

like if you're not presenting a false dilemma then you're leaf raking, either one is bad

Wtf is leaf raking

and I didn't just prove bell/taylor wasn't s/s, I provided reasons on my individual TRs on them.

[shellyc]

it's not unimportant, i feel obligation to break down a wagon which I see flipping both town

[shellyc]

Maybe. It depends on how I'm reading The Bulge

can you iso him and tell me what you think then?

its not a long iso but there is AI content imo.

[shellyc]

Maria-bulge -- Maria is town

can you uh. elaborate on maria!town

in your iso ctrl+f maria you TR her for "reasons that you don't know", you have a consistent TR on them that hasn't been fleshed out

[shellyc]

...yep!

well would you like to explain it so its not a mystery?

or is there like, no explanation at all

[shellyc]

Phoneposting

Maria luez contains scum almost for sure

[shellyc]

taller swift im telling you hectic is probtown from the pt posting, its not placating/pocketing and is solvey, just sheep me on it

[shellyc]

I think I'm happy with my vote

i think im sad with your vote.

dunkarin last pair is a bit hmmm on the akarin side

[shellyc]

pagetop

[shellyc]

UNVOTE:

nice to see you sheep me but i'd like to hear the why

dunn can you talk to me more about town!maria, i don't think creating a division between you/DGB-DD is very AI?

[shellyc]

we are not s/s

[shellyc]

confbias

should I actually read things seeing that I have no motivation for this game

[shellyc]

something is just strange about that EoD

shelly wants to work with taylor to find a pairing, then she breaks character at the last moments to yoink a pair and the delegate to choice to taylor? something just is weird about this. if shelly really wanted pooky to go you'd assume she would let taylor pick hectic and she could murder pooky herself right? wouldn't that be the play if she wants pooky dead? you know taylor is picking hectic... why throw a wrench into things? i know she suggests taylor to kill pooky but even still... idk something just isn't right

because to be frank, i want to partner with hectic, its fun, and i trusted taylor to make that decision anyways

p-edit being at E-2 doesn't exactly give me the mood for jokes

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the last time I was town you deathtunnelled me into oblivion btw

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fine i will townspew for you

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ok actually rereading

its pretty sad that we didnt have a vc documenting the rise of the luez wagon

i feel like luez selfvote is probably +town though

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2196 has this tone that sounds more like it's commiserating that a fun to hang out with slot is an optimal mislim rather than commiserating that maybe someone she likes rolls scum. There's a scummy inconsistency in the post, where she indicated she doesn't expect she can allow the pairing to last pair, but then later she says she hopes the slot starts townspewing. From a scum perspective it would mean she has an excuse to play more with a pairing she enjoys, but from a town perspective it would mean the pairing moves into the grey area where it doesn't feel right to kill it but also maybe you lose the game if you don't kill it which emotionallly ydrasse shouldn't be craving

the reaction regardless was probably out of emotional range as scum

interestignyl i believe leuz might have gone out of his re: isis

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anyways during my sabbatical i kept coming back to isis' idea of shelly tmi'ng and you know, there might be something there with ydrasse AND bell

something is rotten in her iso

I'm just generally confident in my reads as either alignment

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ask specific questions and you will recieve specific answers oka

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are you willing to kill taylor-bell to save your own pairing?

uh

no

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i TR both

bell is frankly too scummy to be scum

taylor is obvtown based off EoD predance

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because bell has IRL stuff

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and reading through bells scumgames bell is quite self aware and doing that as scum would probably not happen from bell

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my ultimate solve is firebringer/akarin/maria/bulge 3/4

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unfort im probably getting miskicked today and cant lead you there

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tbh i feel like most of akarins takes are consensus and she hasnt actually done that much, which makes me wary

first voting DGB/DD according to the consensus, then hopping onto bellswizzle, then complaining about PTs (IIoA)? poking beeboy to talk

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bellswizzle isn't consensus, though, I thought most people thought they were town

there was like a huge big wagon on bellswizzle at the time

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this game is incredibly hard, anyone know if shelly is the type of player to dance with someone for fun

i think so

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yes im a tryhard personality player but i honestly have the most familiarity with hectic here

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And you're sure he's town?

I'm not 100% sure but i would say town GTH

I'm totally aware that hectic might have me in his pocket

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do people tr bell or just have confidence he can obvtown and that's what makes them a good final pairing?

both

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right now i'm wondering how much shelly/hectic talked about the maria-bulge pair privately and who brought it up more?

hectic has no read on maria

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@akarin: i’m struggling to remember anything about shelly this game which is like, weird to me. i know she posted a read on me which i thought was bare minimum for her to do and was weirded out and her progression on maria was a little... lackluster, like it’s there but i’m not like wow this person REALLY wants maria is dead. in general she’s sort of blending in with the crowd for me which (at the height of the maria - bulge wagon) id expect from scum.

can you like reread any of my scumgames
btw as town i don't deathtunnel people every game

i want to kill maria

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ydrasse should i account for your scumrange expanding because you know me/hectic town meta and you should know better

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Uh, what else. Akarin had felt pleasant and reasonable? In a way that's exactly what scum wants to do while other pairings duke it out, but I've seen things that make sense, and nothing that scumpings, so more likely she's just town.. right??

i feel like akarin is super blendy which is scummy. its not active scumming it up and that's why she is not my top priority. but i'd join that wagon

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Maybe we should just elim Maria-Bulge and Oka-Fire and collect whatever scum is in that area

I'm not like hugely opposed to it so uh.

my reservations are around oka since i believe that slot is probtown through going against the grain/consensus

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ok ydrasse you do know i prefer scum right?
you also do know i'd care much more about this game right?
that's why i currently have not given a fuck and/or read much for the past few days because my WIM has reached a new low and that's probably why you don't remember my takes because I've not been pushing them

i scumread maria for survivalism/trying to endgame
i scumread bulge for reaction to being speedwagoned/lack of presence
i scumread fire for meta and fence-sitting around some slots
i scumread akarin for blendy takes and some of the stuff was a bit leafrakey

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i can leave if these people need a fucking wake-up call that we're probably t/t

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uh maybe i used the wrong word

the thought i want to convey is basically that you don't have very solid takes on anyone and the takes you have arent exciting

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hectic you can metacase me maybe that will help me find motivation

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werent there a huge block of bellswizzle voters

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yeaa but they are all scumreading bell not taylor. They keep telling me taylor is the town one. I disagree vehemently

hmmm ok i might have treated bellswizzle as a single slot in my mind

can you talk about taylor!scum actually

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taylor earlier interactions with me, was trying to hint at something but wouldn't go into it, scumread me wouldn't go into it, was avoiding engaging me and especially after i was pushing.

basically she was copying some things i would say is good scum tactics about not engaging scumreads. Which is weird to do as town if ur scumreading the person because u think u would use that as proof the person is scum but she neither used it to bolster a case on me nor tried to refute it. It was pure "gonna ignore this and pretend it isn't happening".

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

do you think scum!taylor kills scum!pooky or ???
or uh do you think taylor/bell/pooky are all scum

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I don't want to sink more effort into this game if we're going to die anyway, which I'm like 80% sure we're going to right now.

i can try be the town version of noraa D1 in death curse

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do you think scum!taylor picks town!bell over scum!pooky...

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i dont think an s/s pairing is the end of the world and losing scum for free is not a Great Move from scum

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huh what breaking strategy

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the more correspondence part did not happen but the part before it did (except the backflip i cant do backflips aaaah)

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i'm obviously town

bell is overly obtuse in a way that i sorta dislike?

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ydrasse is ellitelling

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how is 558 scumposting?

hec-pooky s/s is quite mindblowing, pooky hardcore buddied there

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yes

also can i know if people voting my pair are voting for hectic or me

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pooky directly presented himself as likeable to hectic, its very non-s/s behaviour, and hectic putting full trust in pooky then the reaction to pooky flipping scum is geniune

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its normal

i get TRd as scum and SRd as town way too much. that's the guide to reading shellyc

do you think scum!hectic says "I'm soulpocketed" to a flipped!scumpartner?

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ah process of elimination

ydrasse can you please do that town thing that you always do

what is your read on dun/akarin

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do you TR everything else than me/hectic?

why do you think there's more than 1 scum in the four?

do you think I'm not town off meta?

can you try and put a finger to the approximate spots of what you think isn't quite right?

ok that's a lot of questions

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Yeah, I really don't see why that'd be so hard for him to say.

so is your argument re: the pooky interactions that its in his scumrange?

many things that he's posted are in his scumrange

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a lack of strong towntelling that i can see from you two

have i actually towntold as town before

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maria-bulge is basically a both null-to-scum pair

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My argument there was that the Suicide Pact between scumbuddies who aren't able to pair together seems like a fun thing players like that might try.

It subtly pushes town to keep both pairs alive a bit longer, especially with how several people (me, Oka, Isis?) were worrying about suicides.

Also the soul read thing allows them to keep hard-buddying each other all game and get those feelings of "Pooky is town" "Hectic is town" flowing around constantly.

line 1: basically that its in scumrange
line 2: yeah but a constant, without-great-reason TR from both ends doesn't sound super convincing
line 3: fair?

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regardless i think ydrasse just did her town thing

p-edit: yes

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3302 is a townpost

i have stopped doubting ydrasse

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not!lastpair probably is mariabulge, okaFB

not sure about others

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bell i used to TR you for reasons i have forgot

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hectic repeated his "shelly is metatown" 100 times and you poke him about it which seems busywork-ish and your point is "be more paranoid/less sure" when hectic isn't portraying *that much confidence* on me? hectic HAS doubted me in pt/thread?

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Why wouldn't I poke him about it?
I can't read your PT.

because its been made clear

i gave the tl;dr of my pt in many different places

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not!lastpair probably is mariabulge, okaFB

Like you can't imagine ever trusting Maria-Bulge or Oka-FB to that level no matter what they did in Dance 2?

On FB is that just meta stuff or something else?

i don't really think so, maybe if all 4 were declared ICs

fire also has that lack of exciting/different takes to the thread and lack of pushing the takes

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What does making it already clear have to do with poking him about it?
The point of poking is to poke and see what happens.
Nothing really fell out though except he's aggro.

which is the point

you're doing things that have not much risk and not much town!reward

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I declare V/LA until Thursday my time

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oh, it's if the game runs out of time, not if a phase runs out of time. So performing no eliminations in dance1 does still have the highest value

whats the difference between game and phase
so we lose if we run out in phase two

btw I'll still be able to read some stuff

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lurkmode

hi chemist

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no

im v/la cant do much

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last effort post until friday for you americans

Now shellyC clears hectic because of his PT posting, despite his lack of anything in thread, so presumably hectic must've really had some solid super townie posts in the PT because otherwise why is shelly clearing someone who doesn't exist in the main thread and only posting in the PT. And now with your testimony I mean... stuff like this

I'll tell you what the tinfoil is then since mena's outed in-thread

hectic read luez as mena (correctly), and stated two things that thought mena was being scum!mena
1. proposed to ydrasse (which mena knows is pocketable and good at obvtowning) super early
2. placated hectic early on, which falls in with hectic knowing mena's scum!meta and possibly knowing the alt as mena

does this seem an easy-to-fake thing as scum? also I've been caught as scum by one of these tinfoily hectic theories before

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im not entirely sure on how important luez being mena is, ive never played with mena before so can't really comment on that but it looked like half the people were guessing mena anyways

that was his first pt post

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are you saying guessing mena early means you are town and that's how you clear?

no??

are you misreading my post?

the main point is not mena being the alt, the main point is that this thought is hard-to-fake, specific and similar things has come from town!him before

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no the main point is not that hectic figured out luez is mena...

its not the post where I locked him as town because I never once did lock him as town.

i wouldn't bet the game on town!hectic

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the main point is that hectic

shows his tinfoil-y thoughts

which means
1. a good dose of paranoia
2. specific thought that is hard to simulate as scum
3. similar behaviour in towngame to my knowledge

which is +townpoints

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i still find it a little questionable for you to go out and basically pseudo-clear him for that

i first expressed a townlean on him in pre-dance this is just a small part of what I TR him for

you said that the stuff chemist talked about wasn't "town" or "locktown" tier, I provided extra context on those posts to let you realise where I'm coming from

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i mean the fact that you weren't worried about hectic posting in the PT to pocket you is why i think ur scum. logically, i don't know if what you are saying is correct or not. you might be right, you might be wrong, whether you are or not doesn't really matter. its the fact that you were like yes hectic is town posting in scum i am not worried about him is why this is no good. and i mean, it really looks like hectic wasn't doing anything special. when i was questioning chemist i was looking for some massive green flag why you were willing to stick up for him, but these really seem like minor points.

1. context is a wonderful thing. chemist doesn't have it yet.
2. maybe I'm naturally drawn to TR people that are reasonably active in hoods/PTs but I'm aware of the possibility of hectic pocketing me and have stated it multiple times in-thread. I townread hectic slot and can towncase there when I'm back.

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pagetop

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bell are you town

obtusity regarding oka again, a lot of this just seems like white noise and I dislike that

ok back to work

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Shelly, are you lurking.

sorry I just really wanted the pagetop

pedit pushing and pressuring are two things

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im back from v/la have we elimed yet

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oh are we no launching i remember isis talking about that sometime ago

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VOTE: maria

*if i unvoted before

ths is scum. bulge is going with the consensus, maria refuses to post her notes

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my scumpings on akarin have increased upon a reread

she was pushing to use pts more in predance

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im like convinced that pair flips town tho

i townlean dunn but I scumread akarin.

do you TR akarin and why

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fire what demands did i ignore

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i would prefer mariabulge over gammabell

I'm now ??? on bell
gamma in MBoS vs gamma here sounds different at first glance though

I have not caught up fully yet

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I think my willingness to trust this pair was a bit excessive in the first place.

what makes you think this?

which post in particular?