Newbie 2038: Elements [Game Over]
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MURDERCAT died during the night. He was aVanilla Townie.
Day 5
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I'm 3 hours into rereading Mizzy's, Egix's C4's and FF's ISO. I am tired and going to bed. Gonna start with Mizzy first... I'm having a hard time seeing Mizzy as scum...
Day 1 - I see it as unlikely that Mizzy opens by trying to break RVS by attacking her scum partner than turning her read around all between posts 24 and 60.
I also don't see C4 voting Mizzy later in the day as likely scum theater along with posts 128, 136, 331 and 347. Just hard for me to believe.
Day 2 - I don't see why Mizzy keeps pushing the questioning with C4 in post 391 as scum. After a failed kill, wouldn't you just pay attention to the elephant in the room? This continues from posts 405 to 418. I really don't see the scum motivation for Mizzy to continue this line of questioning against her partner and leading up to the vote in post 450 then putting FF at E-2 later in post 651.
Also post 730 "I don't see muh/fferyllt - that would be bussing d1 and d2" Don't see scum!Mizzy saying this after bussing scum!C4 and scum!ff all of D2.
Day 3 - Does scum really try to gamesolve as much as Mizzy tried to to open D3? I also don't see scum! Mizzy being the one to give intent on 72. I must admit D3 was not a very good day for Mizzy overall. Also #1344 was in regards to MC's push for a 72/Mizzy scum team but I think also applies to a FF/C4/Mizzy team.
Day 4 - 1697 more gamesolving... ++Town
Also... overall, I've townread Mizzy all game... it's really hard trying to find where everyone has gone wrong... I'll be around tomorrow.-
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Fixed a post number in my Day 2 aboveIn post 1730, safebet222 wrote:I'm 3 hours into rereading Mizzy's, Egix's C4's and FF's ISO. I am tired and going to bed. Gonna start with Mizzy first... I'm having a hard time seeing Mizzy as scum...
Day 1 - I see it as unlikely that Mizzy opens by trying to break RVS by attacking her scum partner than turning her read around all between posts 24 and 60.
I also don't see C4 voting Mizzy later in the day as likely scum theater along with posts 128, 136, 331 and 347. Just hard for me to believe.
Day 2 - I don't see why Mizzy keeps pushing the questioning with C4 in post 391 as scum. After a failed kill, wouldn't you just pay attention to the elephant in the room? This continues from posts 405 to410. I really don't see the scum motivation for Mizzy to continue this line of questioning against her partner and leading up to the vote in post 450 then putting FF at E-2 later in post 651.
Also post 730 "I don't see muh/fferyllt - that would be bussing d1 and d2" Don't see scum!Mizzy saying this after bussing scum!C4 and scum!ff all of D2.
Day 3 - Does scum really try to gamesolve as much as Mizzy tried to to open D3? I also don't see scum! Mizzy being the one to give intent on 72. I must admit D3 was not a very good day for Mizzy overall. Also #1344 was in regards to MC's push for a 72/Mizzy scum team but I think also applies to a FF/C4/Mizzy team.
Day 4 - 1697 more gamesolving... ++Town
Also... overall, I've townread Mizzy all game... it's really hard trying to find where everyone has gone wrong... I'll be around tomorrow.-
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Right, computer is working though I'm still sorting stuff out so I'll be in and out. First thoughts
Day 5 Strategy - scum!Egix would be bold trying to get Safebet to flip on me - he has a hard time winning if we end up crossvoting, scum!Safebet would be going for the easier option trying to get me to go on Egix after CAT tried to get me away from my paranoia there
VCA - this leans more badly for Egix IMO. He's been in the 'optimal' scum slot on the wagon the first 3 days. Also D1 both scum preferred muh to AGP, if it's scum!Safebet they were both there d2, aaaand they killed him n2. I wanna go look back and see if he said anything that could have drawn him such ire-
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I'm here... Did you find anything yet Mizzy?In post 1732, Mizzytastic wrote: VCA - this leans more badly for Egix IMO. He's been in the 'optimal' scum slot on the wagon the first 3 days. Also D1 both scum preferred muh to AGP, if it's scum!Safebet they were both there d2, aaaand they killed him n2.I wanna go look back and see if he said anything that could have drawn him such ire-
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@egix... You're D1 reread and conclusion seem pretty inconsistent. If you're leaning Mizzy is 111 distancing or just happenstance if its not bussing? And if it was simply distancing why would they continue referring to it the rest of the day?-
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(Line returns added by me)In post 1736, safebet222 wrote:@egix... You're D1 reread and conclusion seem pretty inconsistent.
If you're leaning Mizzy is 111 distancing or just happenstance if its not bussing?
And if it was simply distancing why would they continue referring to it the rest of the day?
- Well yeah, that's because the tldr is how I actually feel; I'm not trying to just make a best-fit conclusion of the points I've laid out. The problem I have here is that you both have quite a lot in your favour but I can't just go "welp I guess maybe you're both town" because obviously I know that can't be true.
- I actually could see 111 as coming from inexperienced scum because it's vaguely reminiscent of a push I made on my own scumbuddy in my first-ever Newbie game (even if it was only because I was panicking and really didn't know what I was doing at the time).
- My counterpoint to this is that, why wouldn't they? It would look rather strange if they just dropped the subject for no apparent reason.-
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Okay... here we go on Egix...
Spoiler:
All in all, my best guess is that it is Egix... I just think that, despite his low post style, town!Egix comes up with more conclusions apart from pushing one slot and scum! Egix is content getting to F3 with a singular agenda and nothing else of note.
One last thought for the evening...
In post 1605, 72offsuit wrote:Sad sad game if its a lurking egix win-
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Although Mizzy definitely questioned c4 plenty (e.g. 391, 405), I would hardly say that they were actively pushing on the c4 slot, as shown by the cold-footed (idk if that makes sense as a phrase but I'm sure you get the point) vote in:In post 1738, safebet222 wrote:Ok... So what do you make of Mizzy pushing C4/ FF up until the no vote was floated?
There's also this bit here which is setting off alarm bells for me because it suggests that Mizzy didn't really have a vested interest in evaluating the c4 slot:In post 450, Mizzytastic wrote:I was getting close to voting c4 but I'm curious why 72 is so happy voting there when he still has half his isos to go.
But we do need wagons - I'm not sure there is anyone here I have a confident scumread on VOTE: c4
===In post 651, Mizzytastic wrote:If its town fferyllt one of 72 and muh is probably scum.
If it's town 72 I agree one of JDye and Spangled is prob scum.
I retreated to muh out of paranoia and the way he joined the c4 wagon bugging me.
VOTE: fferyllt
I think town ff has caught up enough to vote. And it's time to accept I might be wrong instead of waffling and go with what bugged me before people exerted charisma at me.
Pedit:I only skimmed your c4 case actually.I had my own stuff bugging me there
Not true - that was something I found in real time while re-reading which was something I had only just been able to get around to doing at that point.In post 1739, safebet222 wrote:Day 3 - 1005 - Egix needed to justify the vote on 72 instead of FF... took him overnight to think of it. IMO it's just not a very good one...
Even if I haven't been very active this game, it definitely hasn't been out of choice. I was trying to re-evaluate, but just ended up conf-biasing because, hey, it turns out I'm actually not very good at resetting my brain and looking at everything through fresh eyes.In post 1739, safebet222 wrote:Back on the Cyl/Spangled push. This is getting repetitive... like the only agenda he has is laying low, pushing the cyl slot and not much else in terms of helping town unless he is asked.
Like, this is something I already knew about myself and it applied in plenty of my recent games, not just this one specifically. I just find it kinda ??? thatIn post 1739, safebet222 wrote:1569 - This post gives me pause... not sure of the scum motivation for being reflective like this... perhaps trying to buddy the UTR. It's just awkward as scum, imo.thisis the one thing that's giving you pause...-
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Yeah, Egix, I'm not saying this is a slam dunk choice, by any means. And, like I said in before, I'm so bad at this I should probably create a scum read and do the opposite... But you really haven't had ANY other agenda than going after the Cyl/Spangled slot... you are never active in your games, its irrelevant... and Mizzy has been UTR the whole game.. can everyone be this wrong?-
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@ Mizzy... why wouldn't it be just as likely that scum!Egix tries to convince you that I'm scum?In post 1732, Mizzytastic wrote:Right, computer is working though I'm still sorting stuff out so I'll be in and out. First thoughts
Day 5 Strategy -, scum!Safebet would be going for the easier option trying to get me to go on Egix after CAT tried to get me away from my paranoia therescum!Egix would be bold trying to get Safebet to flip on me - he has a hard time winning if we end up crossvoting
VCA - this leans more badly for Egix IMO. He's been in the 'optimal' scum slot on the wagon the first 3 days. Also D1 both scum preferred muh to AGP, if it's scum!Safebet they were both there d2, aaaand they killed him n2. I wanna go look back and see if he said anything that could have drawn him such ire-
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When giving WIFOM based reads I tend to default to saying the most base level one. 1) cos wifom is just a part of the game we all know and have to anticipate and 2) cos higher levels of wifom are just less likely and generally come from fancy play syndrome or not anticipating why something is generally bad for scum to doIn post 1742, safebet222 wrote:
@ Mizzy... why wouldn't it be just as likely that scum!Egix tries to convince you that I'm scum?In post 1732, Mizzytastic wrote:Right, computer is working though I'm still sorting stuff out so I'll be in and out. First thoughts
Day 5 Strategy -, scum!Safebet would be going for the easier option trying to get me to go on Egix after CAT tried to get me away from my paranoia therescum!Egix would be bold trying to get Safebet to flip on me - he has a hard time winning if we end up crossvoting
VCA - this leans more badly for Egix IMO. He's been in the 'optimal' scum slot on the wagon the first 3 days. Also D1 both scum preferred muh to AGP, if it's scum!Safebet they were both there d2, aaaand they killed him n2. I wanna go look back and see if he said anything that could have drawn him such ire
Possible? Yes. Just as likely? I don't think so but also leave it as an exercise for the reader - you are free to disagree-
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You lost me here, Mizzy. WTH are levels of WIFOM?In post 1744, Mizzytastic wrote:
When giving WIFOM based reads I tend to default to saying the most base level one. 1) cos wifom is just a part of the game we all know and have to anticipate and 2) cos higher levels of wifom are just less likely and generally come from fancy play syndrome or not anticipating why something is generally bad for scum to do-
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Ok I understand what you mean. But thinking that scum!egix's baseline is to convice me that you're scum when for two days we knew that if we didn't catch scum d4 the game was going to be in your hands is super strange. What makes you think the baseline is what you say?In post 1744, Mizzytastic wrote: Possible? Yes. Just as likely? I don't think so but also leave it as an exercise for the reader - you are free to disagree-
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