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Rawr!
Weekend vla

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Pagetop? It's onnnnn

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this is a pretty rough playerlist for me, i don't think i've had recent experience with any of you

early townreads for flavor and status, activity and generally trying to *do stuff* feel townie

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Rawr!
Weekend vla

Pagetop? It's onnnnn

lockscum

This is the game where Flavor will try so hard to be town that nothing is really town yet.

I mean, it's just not smart to town read me this early, let's be honest.

i agree i'd rather nullread you all of d1 and red check you n1 c:

serious or?

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Rawr!
Weekend vla

Pagetop? It's onnnnn

Any thoughts on the game so far?

i hadn't read any part of the game, i was on weekend VLA but thought i'd give the heads up

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Rawr!
Weekend vla

Pagetop? It's onnnnn

Any thoughts on the game so far?

noting this post for later - it's one of those that can be a towntell or scumtell mostly based on meta but i don't have good enough meta with nancy to tell. in early game, asking players who have not posted game-related content what they think can be a good sorting tool in a game like this, but depending on the player can also be scum posturing, so if someone w/ more experience with nancy wants to chime in please do.

i stand corrected, i definitely have recent experience with the paradox :p

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It’s a silly question because Iconeum said they were going V/LA and Nancy asks on page 2 if they have something to say about the game "so far". Like there’s been so much happening.

this is also worthy of an early townread/lean

scum simply don't have to defend me here at this point, especially because you never know if it leads to a push on me

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It’s a silly question because Iconeum said they were going V/LA and Nancy asks on page 2 if they have something to say about the game "so far". Like there’s been so much happening.

I dont like this mindset, there seems to be a lot of things that have happened, no? Nancy has managed to give concrete opinions on a couple of things, so I would think that nancy is justified in thinking Ico could do something similar.

looks like we read that post completely differently

i think ur right about what you call out, but i don't think it's a scum!thing

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think that post is probably a towny mindset from nancy

agree

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VOTE: Pine

this was literally my first reaction to Pine's Combat Wombat, but I also kinda want more

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Zoraster scum almost feels too easy

interesting quote to fall back on if zor ever does flips scum

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Frankly, I forgot DEB was in this game.

VOTE: DEB

i think it's just a bit weird that you don't even wanna pressure Zor here

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Alright.

VOTE: Zoraster

Noting DEB happened to come in right after I voted them, though.

i...

yeah

ok

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It's really kind of annoying that so many people seem to be putting little to no effort into this game.

NAI callout, can be annoyed town but just as easily a scum faking said annoyance. Really easy to fake. Doesn't really do much. Ehh.

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the term i was looking for is LAMIST i guess

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Look, guys, I could wagon Mistyx here. I could wagon Zoraster. I could wagon Status.

Only person I probably wouldn't wagon right now is Nancy, but mainly because she kinda scares me.

I'm fine with that duck duck goose game, because I think if we do it as a group, we can find some stuff out.

Flavor, ur like the weirdest slot in game for me so far

There's posts that make me go 'ooooh scum', and then you post stuff like this and I think 'ok but is scum gonna share basic reads with me rn?'

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you take v/la weekend only seriously huh

oh ehh

you can pretty much take the 'LA' out of 'V/LA' lol
i kinda lurk and try to keep up when things heat up tho, but in general you should consider me as not here during weekends

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In short, it's sad that I didn't see any meme-worhthy opportunities

ya'll be playing damn seriously so early but ok

A couple early townleans
No real scumpings outside of Zor and FL, but the latter makes me feel they are doing this on purpose? Know what I mean?

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Cool, Ico is town here. And you have played with me but it’s been awhile.

I a

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I am in fact town yeah. Also yeah, 'recent' experience.

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Koba and I are mindmelding on Norwee/Ico/Misty/Molla/FL being the town core.

i think it's a stretch to include FL in a towncore at this stage
Misty and Molla don't really ping me either way

was there nothing pinging you in the wrong way wrt FL?

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I think FL hasn't obvtowned. Not in a manner to include him in a townblock. Good posts have been tag-teaming with posts that ping me.

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amazing

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It feels like they're trying to keep me from being town read by town reading the people town reading me

This post feels like you are trying to keep me from being townread by town reading the people town reading me town

or something

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I think it's unlikely for scum to make a post such as 390.
Rest of their catchup was ok.

I feel like I've made that exact post as scum before.

nice shade btw

do you feel like you belong in a townblock?

do you agree when I say I think you made enough scummy looking posts to simply… not be hard townread at this point?

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It feels like they're trying to keep me from being town read by town reading the people town reading me

also

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i'm already hating this self-emposed anime-only giffing btw

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I'm just posting what comes to my mind.

I am trying to keep you from being town read, because I don't town read you. Difference is, I'm not afraid to say it out loud that's what I'm doing.

i don't mind that you don't townread me, but i'd expect you to try and *poke* me yourself to find out instead of going the long way around

also I think you saying that out loud is NAI at best, from what I can see here you aren't the type of player to ehmm… lay low

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what do you mean by understandable but safe, and what do you think it means for his alignment?

like

i don't disagree with his pushes

but i think they're really easy ones to make regardless of his alignment

so i dont think it points to anything about his alignment

which makes me read him as slightly scummy

this is a decent answer to make and makes me slightly townlean misty

both mistyx and tgp get townpoints for this

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Reck is being increasingly annoying about telling me I should be voting Zoraster because he doesn't like how zor continues to avoid the thread or come in to defend his statements and shifting the burden of proof for them to me instead of just explaining them.

I, on the other hand, don't really see any reason why I shouldn't just continue to vote ramcius who has given me literally 0 indication he is town.

ngl, this actually pings me in a bad way

feels like you are setting up/justifying a future vote on Zor, while also keeping your Ramcius push open
by itself it's not really scummy, but it just feels like you are playing both angles here ya feel?

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@Norwegian - why are you town reading Ico?

Why are you not? I probably wouldn’t have you in my townblock if Koba wasn’t so convinced of it. I wouldn’t be scumreading you either but his doubt on you isn’t exactly insane.

And you think that's a reason for me to town read them?

Here's the thing, I will never town read someone for expressing that type of doubt this early in a game. I'm an easy read once the game gets deeper, people just always try to push me Day 1.

so like

i just read your title 'most cunning manipulator' and ehm
it's probably there for a reason

so when you say you are an 'easy read', i'm taking that with a grain of salty salts

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@Norwegian - why are you town reading Ico?

Why are you not? I probably wouldn’t have you in my townblock if Koba wasn’t so convinced of it. I wouldn’t be scumreading you either but his doubt on you isn’t exactly insane.

And you think that's a reason for me to town read them?

Here's the thing, I will never town read someone for expressing that type of doubt this early in a game. I'm an easy read once the game gets deeper, people just always try to push me Day 1.

Not saying he's pushing me, but I don't throw around reads like you guys do, not in a solid way where if other things happen, it's not gonna ebb and flow me more

The more you post, the more you feel like you wanna keep me from being townread but you also don't wanna really fight me because you don't wanna fight the ones townreading me right now as well.

Thing is, I don't know if your towngame consists of manipulating/controlling gamestate as well

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Ico/TGP might be a pairing, based on gamestate right now. A little treat for later.

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@FL you really don't wanna engage with me head on huh

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I really want to vote you for making me look at that gif.

i'll use spoiler tags

maybe

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i didn't vote to have anime as flavour but here we are lol

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I mean, if my teammate comes up with a perspective which I did not originally consider am I supposed to ignore it? If you look at my other posts where I reference reads from my teammates you'll see I have no problem disagreeing with them where I do. I never said my town read on zor was a solid immutable thing and I do think that the longer he goes without contributing anything to thread or explaining himself the worse he looks.

Do you disagree with that reasoning? I feel like I'm allowed to change my mind and I also feel like I'm allowed to have suspicions of more than one person at a time?

it's obviously not a problem to have multiple (scum) reads, but the way that post was structured just feels like you were already preparing your position for a future vote if and when that wagon would really pick up.

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I'm getting really frustrated that no one is willing to join me on ramcius more than anything else.

-low content
-dodging conversation
-lurking as soon as pressure on them stops

is that about it or was there more substance that I overlooked?

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And really frustrated that nancy seems to have their own agenda and is not willing to consider anyone elses perspective, and even more frustrating that I think she's town for it.

i don't really see the 'own agenda' part wrt Nancy? I think they are giving reads, interacting, deploying partner reads, stirring shit up here and there.
With the realization that i'm prone to being pocketed, ofcourse i'm a bit carefull but in all, I like Nancy slot.

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And really frustrated that nancy seems to have their own agenda and is not willing to consider anyone elses perspective, and even more frustrating that I think she's town for it.

i don't really see the 'own agenda' part wrt Nancy? I think they are giving reads, interacting, deploying partner reads, stirring shit up here and there.
With the realization that i'm prone to being pocketed, ofcourse i'm a bit carefull but in all, I like Nancy slot.

I just think she's being very unwilling to engage with the idea that her conceptions of meta are and should be might not be correct. I'm really not sure how to approach a disagreement with a statement like "X person plays night and day as town and scum" when I don't think a statement like that is true wrt like 95% of players.

i consider that entire discussion irrellevant

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-not able to provide a single instance where they have looked at a thing that happened in the thread and determined that it was NAI (or scummy, or anything!) and why despite saying that "nothing alignment indicative had happened"
-I feel like deliberately misrepresenting me at multiple points in the conversation to try to discredit me in a disingenuous way.
-Attacking me vaguely with "gotchas!" like "you're not coming up with reads either!" which were just straight up not true, sometimes demonstrably false in the very posts being quoted. basically I felt like his entire conversation with me he was being completely disingenuous.
-Didn't place the vote on me the other time because was clearly trying to avoid a 1v1 even though he kept throwing repeated shade and talking about how I was scum.

you definitely make good points, but there is also alot of personal involvement in there, where you simply feel like you are being mistreated/ignored?

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i don't really see a 'this is scum' with Ramcius rn...

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VOTE: Pine

it's not a party until everyone's here

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for what it's worth, i think your push on ramcius comes from a towny mindset

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this may be a strange thing to ask but

who are the strongest scumhunters in this pl?

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i had to google credulence

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why are you like...so obsessed with me ;p

You are either town, in which case i'll need you to townread me (eventually) if we wanna have a good game. I'll also need to townread you. Both of these things are currently lacking.

You are either scum, in which case you are shading me and trying to destroy formation of early townblock. I don't want that to happen.

You also happen to be a slot that i'm having a hard time judging so yeah

here we are

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I'm the type that can get 1100 posts as scum and completely open wolf a game to victory.

yet you wonder why i'm so focused on sorting you correctly lol

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i was originally going to wait to see more from zor before placing a vote here, but this post is just so needless, hostile, and uncalled for (zor, you haven't done much with the game and aren't responding to any pushes on you, which is terribly scum indicative and i haven't seen a single? towny thing from ANY of your posts), so VOTE: zor this is reasonable here.

that post pinged me as well, but i'm holding back because 'are scum really going to be lurking, and then coming in with hostility?' That's the fast track to being the Day 1.

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how is DEBs posting in this game substantively different from your own?

DEB voteparked me and left. Pine gave a readslist.

It's not a great reads list.

It's not a terrible one either.

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for what it's worth, I have reason to believe zoraster's claim is real, even if they are scum.

This pings me strongly as Town, and that makes me breathe a huge sigh of relief. I was really worried there weren't any adults in the room.

maybe i'm just stoopid, but can you clarify what's so townie about it?

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@zor
How many total charges of abilities do you have?

1

i dont mean per ability i mean overall

between every ability combined

this is just blatant fishing, no?
why do you need that information for?

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for what it's worth, I have reason to believe zoraster's claim is real, even if they are scum.

This pings me strongly as Town, and that makes me breathe a huge sigh of relief. I was really worried there weren't any adults in the room.

@Ico

Why does FL post this as scum.

He's clean.

i dunno

to look slightly better if/when Zor flips town?

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wouldn't it be better to give Zor a pass today and see if they survive a day or 2? With a JOAT claim they have a target on their back anyway.

I fully realize how this post looks if Zor were to flip scum but hey i'm not one to hold back

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Like, what's better? Potentially killing a scum JOAT, versus risking losing a town JOAT?

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that was actually an honest question, i'm downright not sure which the better play is

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if Zor flips town we have an easy D2 flip in BB however

so that's nice

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if Zor flips town we have an easy D2 flip in BB however

so that's nice

This uhhhh. This is not a post I like.

you liked BB's vote on Zor?

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i'm trying to determine if Zor is a good flip or not

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I don't wanna flip Pine

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just going thru the playerlist, shotgun style:

Akarin
Deb
BB
maybe Ram

is where i'd flip today

everyone i just get 'nah'

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I think there's a scum in Status, Norwegian, Nancy, TGP. I think I'm town reading Nancy the most of the 4 of them.

there's at least one piece in each of their ISO that I like enough to not have them be the Day 1
I don't have that with the list i just provided

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I'm starting to lean town on Ico.

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i'm just really paranoid about FL

if he's as good as you say he is, then why put Zor on E-1 without calling it out in the first place? why did he validate the claim (a little), but not unvoting 'with all the trigger happy Yahoos in this game'?

i'm not saying he's scum for it, but i just don't understand his play :p

and yeah that's probably my problem, not anyone else's

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(a pine/FL scumteam is a scary scary world folks)

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VOTE: akarin

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akarin is clearly playing the LHF game, unexplained vote on Ramcius, doubles down on Ramcius without a single word on why.
Latest posts are only to justify a potential hammer on Zor.

With all that's said and done in this game, it's a really really bad iso.

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and yeah ngl, the pace of the Zor wagon is kinda worrying even tho I didn't mind the wagon itself

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for what it's worth, I have reason to believe zoraster's claim is real, even if they are scum.

I buy Arale Norimake being a JOAT and I buy Arale Norimake having a power named Kiin!, but I don't really buy JOAT Arale Norimake having a power named Kiin!

I have zero clue what any of this means.

+1

My flavor is very well know, I would say, I don't think that one is.

You're gunna have to go more in depth for those of us who have never watched an anime in their life.

My flavor is well known I think, but I'm not the main character of my series. Dr. Slump is big in Japan, so I can believe that part of Zor's claim.

I admit I had to look this up, but Kiiiin isn't what Arale says for all her abilities, it's what she says when she goes really fast. She could reasonably have other abilities but I don't really buy that they'd be named that. Don't know how much thought was put into these during setup so I'm not hammering just on that, but it does have the whiff of modifying a safe fakeclaim to me.
https://drslump.fandom.com/wiki/Arale_Norimaki

Why did I sign up for an anime game? I still have no idea what this means.

+1

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my team doesn't scumread Zor, based on ISO and claim

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fancy commenting on my Akarin mini-case?

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it took me a while to find who this 'Shea' character is lol

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^@Nancy

Stoopid dragon pre-empting an easy back and forth

Also also I am clearly now invested in the game, my usual D1 absence can be considered over.

PE: GO JUMP OFF A GLACIER, ICEBIRD

i did what now?

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why is there a callout for massclaim
why do i get the feeling people wanna end this day already
why are the peeps who townread me ignoring my reads instead of discussing them (makes you feel it ain't actually a townread right?)
why am i writing this post like this
where did zor go
why do i not have coffee in front of me rn

so many questions

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Please fix the coffee part and then talk to me about your reads because a bunch has happened since we last spoke.

i'm increasingly townreading FL

i'm no longer as sure about town!Nancy as i was earlier this day. She was quick on townreading me, but hasn't really engaged with me over anything really and i'd kinda expect the people who townread me to do that ESPECIALLY when they were smearing stuff like 'oh ico i think ur such a good player i'd better listend to your reads this game' or smt like that

I don't wanna flip Pine. I don't really scumread Zor, but at this point it just wouldn't be a loss for town to flip him. Which is why I think scum might be pushing this for the easy day 1 flip.

I've got no clue as to TSQ's allignment. I'm willing to give this more time and see what happens.

DEB same story basicly. I'm reading them and… there's like no real thoughts popping up in my head.

I don't really like the TGP wagon, but that might change if someone bothered to talk to me about it. I've had experience with them where they 'look scummy' as town, which gives me the same vibes this game. Probably dont wanna flip him either.

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those are my most important thoughts rn

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I asked him to read TGP, and Ceph thinks it's possible TGP is scum, but is confused at why he's a popular target.

Zor's team: yeah this could be scum
also Zor's team: why is that player a popular target?

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884 is such a huge post for a 'i don't wanna lim these 2 players' conclusion

and i'm not even sure what to make of that

probably +scum

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Not sure where zoraster's conclusion is. NEE and Nancy not being the fade today? That's fine. I don't think anyone was pushing them to be.

well at least you pick up on this as well

will make me sleep slightly better

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VOTE: bbmolla
yeah, not a single one of these 40 posts are good. zor is bad but 884 was genuine goodposting and provided a nuanced, clear stance on his read - that combined with his roleclaim makes me think he's town.
bb is really scummy here.

genuine goodpost?
nuanced?
clear stance?

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Please fix the coffee part and then talk to me about your reads because a bunch has happened since we last spoke.

i'm increasingly townreading FL

i'm no longer as sure about town!Nancy as i was earlier this day. She was quick on townreading me, but hasn't really engaged with me over anything really and i'd kinda expect the people who townread me to do that ESPECIALLY when they were smearing stuff like 'oh ico i think ur such a good player i'd better listend to your reads this game' or smt like that

I don't wanna flip Pine. I don't really scumread Zor, but at this point it just wouldn't be a loss for town to flip him. Which is why I think scum might be pushing this for the easy day 1 flip.

I've got no clue as to TSQ's allignment. I'm willing to give this more time and see what happens.

DEB same story basicly. I'm reading them and… there's like no real thoughts popping up in my head.

I don't really like the TGP wagon, but that might change if someone bothered to talk to me about it. I've had experience with them where they 'look scummy' as town, which gives me the same vibes this game. Probably dont wanna flip him either.

What is it you don’t feel I’ve engaged with you on? I read your Akarin case and I don’t know. I need a lot more for her, so I really don’t know why you think this?

Yes I definitely agree with you on FL. So I really don’t understand what you’re asking of me here?

I sort of instinctively want to defend Zor because that wagon came up so fast, but I really don't see anything towny from them, and looking at the claim I don't like it. Debating hammering.

Actually don’t really like this post. We still have a lot of time left.

VOTE: Akarin

so you went from casting my case on Akarin aside, to voting her because? the current popular wagon ran out and ur going to the next one?
akarin posted literally nothing in between so if you genuinely didn't like that post, you probably would have mentioned it before or at least would have gone 'yeah i like your akarin case, this particular post stands out to me' instead of 'i don't know'.

I'm stepping out of the townblock created by Nancy btw.

VOTE: Nancy

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Nancy Drew 39 more like Nancy Scum 39 amiright

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oh no someone save me

i made a vote on someone and therefore i'm gonna die

help

someone

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akarin

you go afk for 2 whole days, and you just happen to get back in when the wagon on you heats up a bit?
and you just ignore most if not all of the relevant discussion?

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VOTE: akarin

i'll stick to my prime scumread today, and if they flip scum i'll have confirmation about town!nancy

otherwise i can pick up on day 2 where i left this right now

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i'll stick to my prime scumread today, and if they flip scum i'll have confirmation about town!nancy

When I flip town Nancy will still be Town though.

it's very much possible Nancy is town, but the latest progression i've seen there didn't sit well with me and i'd have no problem having a good 1v1 with her to sort that out

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I'm Senku Ishigami, 1-shot Neighborizer (flavored Tactical Intelligence).

Not conclusive, but if the claim is true then going by setup meta it does seem more likely to be a role given to town.

hot take: flavour solving this game is probably not a great idea

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oh no someone save me

i made a vote on someone and therefore i'm gonna die

help

someone

RIP.

Shouldn't have gone rolefishing with that vote. It's not too late though, repeat after me

"This is my town meta!"

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there's literally not a single piece of sense in that post lol

i'm sorry to have to ask this but it's a meme post right?

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Iconeum just lay down in your grave and pray.
She comin to spank u now boi

niiice i usually pay good $$ for that

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Akarin doesn’t feel scummy to me btw, not sure about this wagon.

Let's summon Akarin back to this thread, guys

VOTE: Akarin

And this guy just pops in 2 days later with a naked vote.

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Nancy, in the world where i am scum and you are town

what exactly is my motivation to burn the bridge that is your townread on me for?? gain?

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i totally get your omgus reaction on me, but don't act like it's a scummy vote and especially don't misrep me here like ur doing

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I feel like one of Ico/Ank is scum, not sure which

I’m leaning Ico. I got scumpings when he suddenly claimed to be losing his townread on me for not sheeping him on Akarin. Then he votes me after I vote his alleged top sr. Then he revotes her and claims her supposed scumflip will confitown me. Then Akarin asks the obvious question which is what will his read be on me if she flips town? So that totally smacks of a chainsaw to me.

I did not ask you to sheep me on akarin. I asked your thoughts on my case on her. I questioned your earlier statement where you said you were probably gonna 'listen to my reads which you consider good', and then cast my case on her aside because 'not enough seen from her'. And later you just switch and go like 'oh yeah i don't like this about her lets vote there', which is information that was available to you at the time of your 'i haven't seen enough of her'.

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Thinking this is Ico!scumplay is just… bad thinking on your part if it's larger then a simple OMGUS.

There is literally no value for scum!Ico to vote you there, at that point. Literally nothing that I can think of. I'd like to hear your reasoning there :

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if you think this is coming from scum!ico it's your loss, Nancy

i've clearly explained my thinking and reasoning here

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-early game Nancy: 'i think ico is town and are a good player, i will listen to their reads'
-mid game Nancy: upon Ico requestion them to look at Akarin: 'meh, no info', and no interactions with me of any kind
-Nancy after sheeping others onto Akarin: 'oh yeah looking back at Akarin this could be scum', which completely destroys any kind of value your early game posts had wrt me, pinging me because it feels more like you attempting to pocket me then truthfully trying to work with 'good reads Ico'
-Nancy after Ico calls Nancy out: 'OMG obvscum Ico'

do you see the problem?

You are misrepping me because I never pushed you to vote Akarin, I simply requested you to look at my case on her and discuss with me, which you basicly just shaved off with a tiny response.

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if you think this is coming from scum!ico it's your loss, Nancy

i've clearly explained my thinking and reasoning here

You’re trying to set me up for a miselim here. I’m not fucking tr you for that.

can you take a chill pill and look at what i'm actually trying to do? ktxh

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Because you’re losing you trying to manipulate me to vote her

i did no such thing, and it's a complete bullshit misrep Nancy

step out of your OMGUS feelings and look at the situation like it is

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In a world where you’re actually town pulling this crap on me, explain how your recent play ever comes from a townie mindset.

i literally just did exactly that

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if you think this is coming from scum!ico it's your loss, Nancy

i've clearly explained my thinking and reasoning here

You’re trying to set me up for a miselim here. I’m not fucking tr you for that.

Why is town!you pitting Akarin and me against each other?

No, knock the fuck off with this shit and “your loss” bs. I don’t tr blatantly obvious manipulation which is what you were doing and still doing.

In a world where you’re actually town pulling this crap on me, explain how your recent play ever comes from a townie mindset.

scum!me gains nothing from doing what i'm doing here
if i were scum, i'd be in a happy happy position where there isn't a spoken bad read against me, and the 2 major vocals in-game (you and FL) are on varying degrees of townread on me

i would sit pretty, hop on whatever eod wagon happens to be, push my 'fake reads', and NK both you and FL

telling yourself scum!ico actually gains position from doing this isn't true

[Iconeum]

weekend vla

[Iconeum]

Nothing you’re saying is convincing me I’m wrong. I honestly do think you’re scum because you have done absolutely nothing to make me think you’re not trying to chain miselims on Akarin and me and as long as you suspiciously continue to fail to address the obvious elephant in the room, I’m not changing either my vote or read on you. I also have a hard gut sr on you now and the more you continue to avoid my questions, the stronger it gets.

i honestly don't see how i'm avoiding anything here

you on the other hand...

[Iconeum]

Hard Hard Hard town read on Ico.

Ico V Nancy is TvT like high 90s % of the time I think.

possibly so, happy to continue this after the weekend

[Iconeum]

Nancy Drew 39 more like Nancy Scum 39 amiright

No. So let me get this straight. You sus me for not voting Akarin and now you suss me for voting her.

VOTE: Iconeum

TOAST I TOLD THEM

[Iconeum]

Nancy, your case on TGP as scum is based on how he is handling your slot. Frankly i don’t really give a toss if anyone has weird interactions with you or not, as i do not believe it to be exclusively an scumtell.
But i did find Zor’s huge wallpost with an extremely pointless conclusion to be awful and really scummy. It’s like he’s trying to appear solving, and makes a bug wall of content. But on closer inspection it reads as really forced analyzis and doesn’t really conclude a thing. And Zor doesn’t even use that information for anything.
So i believe he has scumtold much harder and is my preferred elimination for today.

confirming my norwee townread

[Iconeum]

Nancy, your case on TGP as scum is based on how he is handling your slot. Frankly i don’t really give a toss if anyone has weird interactions with you or not, as i do not believe it to be exclusively an scumtell.
But i did find Zor’s huge wallpost with an extremely pointless conclusion to be awful and really scummy. It’s like he’s trying to appear solving, and makes a bug wall of content. But on closer inspection it reads as really forced analyzis and doesn’t really conclude a thing. And Zor doesn’t even use that information for anything.
So i believe he has scumtold much harder and is my preferred elimination for today.

I endorse this post and would like to subscribe to its newsletter. Like, could TGP be scum? Sure, I'm not in love with how tentative he seems to be, but I think zor has continued to refuse to provide anything of substance in terms of his interaction with the game. His stances seem to be "lets not yeet these two players who had zero chance of being yeeted." and "lets vote a quietish slot without explanation."

:/

TSQ is probably town here

[Iconeum]

My dude, seriously fuck off.

Norwegian is scummy af, and BB and TGP have been on and off the Zor wagon. You and Mistyx have also been hard to parse.

Meanwhile, Towny people are voting scummy Akarin for better reasons.

It’s a commonly-held fallacy that I have to answer all questions put to me and/or explain every facet of my reasoning.

I don’t.

Pine my dude we need to talk

[Iconeum]

Feels a bit like you've been walking past me here for the last... 48 pages or so

(tho i'm probably equally guilty of that )

[Iconeum]

Nancy, your case on TGP as scum is based on how he is handling your slot. Frankly i don’t really give a toss if anyone has weird interactions with you or not, as i do not believe it to be exclusively an scumtell.
But i did find Zor’s huge wallpost with an extremely pointless conclusion to be awful and really scummy. It’s like he’s trying to appear solving, and makes a bug wall of content. But on closer inspection it reads as really forced analyzis and doesn’t really conclude a thing. And Zor doesn’t even use that information for anything.
So i believe he has scumtold much harder and is my preferred elimination for today.

I’m not opposed to Zor but I still think TGP’s scum. I think how a player interacts with me approaches my slots is highly AI which is why I moved from Ico to TGP because I think his entire approach to my slot didn’t make much sense coming from a town perspective. So, it necessary, I’ll consider moving there but TGP is my currently my most confident sr and Math isn’t a fan of either. I will reread Zor’s wall but I would like you not to outright dismiss my reasons. I wouldn’t be voting TGP if I didn’t think I have good reasons for that vote.

I'm not saying I have a solid solid townread on TGP, but you are just playing a pure OMGUS game here Nancy. That doesn't mean ur wrong, but it sure as hell isn't persuasive either

[Iconeum]

So you like Zor then? Maybe I should keep my vote where it is then? I just really feel strongly that TGP is scum and unlike Norwee, I think how a player interacts with you is possibly the most valuable information you can have.

I agree to some extent here. PvP interactions are obviously one of the best sources of information. One of the things I do is bump heads with players to form reads. But you seem to just hardcore scumread anyone who dares look at you and, how dare they, say they don't townread you?

That's not informative, that's bullshit. You've scumread literally every player who dared speak a bad word about you, so no i don't think ur using it to truthfully Judge people.

[Iconeum]

Alas, being so stubborn and reactionary about it, it's probably +town...

[Iconeum]

@Norwegian, I've said even less to or about you.

Which is quite odd for someone you "suspect".
Why aren't you trying to solve my allignment?

What part of "I find you suspicious" is not trying to solve you?

Frankly, this kind of bullshit, disingenuous attack is why I think you're +rand scum, and the fact that you and others have been doing the same to Zor make me think he's +rand Town.

VOTE: Pine

Increasingly bad posts, complete unwillingness to do anything basicly.
Being called out for not trying to solve a slot and the best you can manage is 'but i am solving this slot, look: i said it's suspicious'. LOL.
And then you go on some sort of rage using bad words against a very normal post from TSQ?

It feels so super fucking fake, Pine.

[Iconeum]

-TSQ, to Pine: 'why aren't you trying to solve me?'
-Pine: 'omg this kind of bullshit and disingenous attack blabla'

like wtf

[Iconeum]

Me asking why you find me suspicious is a bullshit disingenuous attack.

K.

[Iconeum]

For fans of

Hulk Smash

, we at Disney bring you

Pine Smash

.

[Iconeum]

in other news, i'm finally getting the hang of these anime gifs right

[Iconeum]

right?

[Iconeum]

God damn this is frustrating lmfao

yeah i feel ya

i really wanna go back to old fashioned gifs instead of this

[Iconeum]

I want to get rid of an relatively inactive and unhelpful slot today.
BBMolla does not fit that criteria as they seem engaged.
Akarin has had bursts of activity.
Zor has done nothing but excuses and made scummy posts.

Of these current wagons i endore Zor, could maybe be convinced on Akarin but not really as i don’t see why they are scummy. BBMolla no.

i'm down to lim between Zor and Pine here

[Iconeum]

Votecount 1.18

zoraster(4)

~ thestatusquo(171), NorwegianboyEE(132), Mistyx(62), BBMolla(73)

Akarin(4)

~ Flavor Leaf(173), Ramcius(53), Iconeum(105), Pine(24)

BBMolla(3)

~ TheGoldenParadox(43), zoraster(25), Akarin(23)

TheGoldenParadox(1)

~ Nancy Drew 39(217)

Ramcius(1)

~ Dr Easy Bake(18)


Not Voting (0):


With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-29 19:00:00)

Mod Notes

• Iconeum on weekend v/la.

Molla’s is a really bad wagon.

Not extremely shockingly none of my trs are on it. Kind’ve interesting.

I do agree here. That's a bad wagon comp

[Iconeum]

Either scum is doing absolutely nothing to control the gamestate, and scum is in the lurker people, or scum are doing the absolute most.

I don't know which is more likely.

Well ehhh, if scum are doing the absolute most then the scumteam is like

you/Nancy/TSQ or smt

I don't think that's very likely at this point

[Iconeum]

norwegian list kinda scummy, but that's essentially where the gamestate is dictating the game being, so I could see that as a scum list or a town list, but i don't really want Norwegian faded today.

i endorse the norwee reads list for a large part

[Iconeum]

So you like Zor then? Maybe I should keep my vote where it is then? I just really feel strongly that TGP is scum and unlike Norwee, I think how a player interacts with you is possibly the most valuable information you can have.

I agree to some extent here. PvP interactions are obviously one of the best sources of information. One of the things I do is bump heads with players to form reads. But you seem to just hardcore scumread anyone who dares look at you and, how dare they, say they don't townread you?

That's not informative, that's bullshit. You've scumread literally every player who dared speak a bad word about you, so no i don't think ur using it to truthfully Judge people.

Unless you have extremely good reasons to think TGP is town

, what’s actually “bullshit” is your criticism of me.

I’m still suspicious of you btw and not completely sure you’re not pocketing Norwee. Why? because you’re too hard defending a slot you’re not even confidently tr. If I had the exact same read on Norwee for example, I would actually get this. It would make total sense for you to have this strong a reaction to a player you strongly tr but you haven’t actually given any indication that you do in fact strongly tr TGP, so your reaction defending him to me is way over the top.

It’s mainly because of your weird reaction to me, I think I want to trust Norwee on Akarin because I’m still not convinced you weren’t trying to chain miselims. Norwee’s reaction to this otoh makes total sense because it’s inline with his TGP read but you’re essentially going off on me for a slot you’re not even claiming to tr. So I have to ask why? Because it makes no sense to me unless you do.

tbf, there's a

[Iconeum]

let me try that again

tbf, there's a good chance we both haven't been reading each others posts accurately enough. I strongly townread Norwee. That should be Obvious from my iso. I don't strongly townread TGP. I don't strongly scumread him either. I'm not really trying to defend TGP here (tho i'm most certainly defending norwee), but I think your scumread on TGP isn't convincing enough to feed other players on. Get me?

[Iconeum]

Alas, being so stubborn and reactionary about it, it's probably +town...

Why is TGP town or what is even your issue here?

this post of mine was specifically referencing you, not TGP

[Iconeum]

For the Nth time, from like the Nth player:

We dont necessarily have a problem with your reads but we have a problem with your arguments and your methods because they are coming explicitly from your POV and a perspective that assumes you're town which we by definition can't share.

this words my thoughts alot better.

It's not that I think you are wrong necesarilly, Nancy, i just think you are overstating the value of your reads from others POV.

[Iconeum]

I want to get rid of an relatively inactive and unhelpful slot today.
BBMolla does not fit that criteria as they seem engaged.
Akarin has had bursts of activity.
Zor has done nothing but excuses and made scummy posts.

Of these current wagons i endore Zor, could maybe be convinced on Akarin but not really as i don’t see why they are scummy. BBMolla no.

i'm down to lim between Zor and Pine here

Are you going to explain your TGP tr to me, if you actually do have one?

me not wanting TGP ded today does not equal me having a solid townread on them

[Iconeum]

Kind of feels like the scum team might be just like {pine, zor, ramcius} to me.

A complete POE would be something like { Flavor Leaf Ramcius Pine TheGoldenParadox zoraster Akarin Dr Easy Bake }

My problem is that I don’t think Pine is this antagonistic as scum. He definitely wasn’t in the game he rolled scum with me.

i feel that's a very bad way to read a slot. The actual case on Pine can't be dismissed by simply stating this.

[Iconeum]

I’m still really bothered by him pushing me to vote Akarin

ok i'm not dropping this anymore

if i'm wrong then i'm wrong and i'll apologize but

you WILL quote me where I pushed you to vote Akarin or i'm deathtunneling you for misrepping me

[Iconeum]

I think ico is one of my strongest town reads in the game fwiw.

I’m still really bothered by him pushing me to vote Akarin, then jumping on me when I did, then pitting us together for reasons that still aren’t making sense to me and I’m sure he will try to AtE me into understanding why he did that but it’s still not making sense to me. Maybe that is a definite blind spot for me but it strongly weakened my tr of him and now he’s railing at me for sr a slot he isn’t even claiming to tr, so I’m really not understanding that.

my vote on you was a whooole lot more nuanced then this, which i'm considering you misrepping me aswell if you don't reply to me

[Iconeum]

I think ico is one of my strongest town reads in the game fwiw.

I’m still really bothered by him pushing me to vote Akarin, then jumping on me when I did, then pitting us together for reasons that still aren’t making sense to me and I’m sure he will try to AtE me into understanding why he did that but it’s still not making sense to me.

Could you provide me the post numbers where this happened? I don't recall the interaction quite happening like that.

EXACTLY

[Iconeum]

oh and by the by, pretty sure "smt" from that post you were quoting earlier was supposed to mean "something."

Maybe Ico meant something else but thats what I read it as.

smt = something in my book yes

[Iconeum]

this counts as anime fu

[Iconeum]

fancy commenting on my Akarin mini-case?

here you go Nancy

look at me screaming at you to vote akarin

its so terrible

i totally feel the pressure i put on you to vote there

must've broken your back

[Iconeum]

i shall not stand being misrepped like this, even by Nancy

idgaf if she's town or not at this point

i wanna settle the truth

[Iconeum]

she's misrepping my Akarin push
she's misrepping my vote on her
she's misrepping my TGP townread

it's either intentional scumplay or stoopid town

and i will get to the bottom of this

[Iconeum]

AND she's townreading pine

yeah

i'm taking this 1v1

[Iconeum]

come on Nancy

let's go

[Iconeum]

you want my gut? i'm right here

[Iconeum]

ok i'll shut down on the coffee for today lol

[Iconeum]

*hyperposting vibes*

[Iconeum]

nancy stop beating around the push

i want you to quote me where i pushed you to vote akarin

ur actually beginning to tilt me here

[Iconeum]

In a slightly sadistic way, I’m really enjoying Ico.

[Iconeum]

I think Ico's push against Nancy is silly, and i'm not sure how serious it is.
So yes, i am egging it on so i can understand it better and what their mindset really is.

how serious it is?
it's very serious in a way that i want some fucking answers and interactions, while Nancy keeps avoiding the core of the conversation

i don't know why

60% town

[Iconeum]

nancy stop beating around the push

i want you to quote me where i pushed you to vote akarin

ur actually beginning to tilt me here

And you trying to falsey accuse me of being scum here because I’m not auto agreeing on Pine being lockscum is tilting me as well as your bs discredit. No the last time I did what you demanded, you tried to twist it and use it against me. I’m not doing fuckall until you smarten the fuck up and make things right with me.

I AM NOT ACCUSING YOU OF BEING SCUM HERE

i did not try to get you to vote akarin - i showed you the post i made and you have made ZERO EFFORT TO TALK ABOUT IT

[Iconeum]

Do the thing.


DO THE THING!

I don’t understand why you’re townreading Ico for what reads to me like an obvious shitpush. He could be crazy town doing this sure but there isn’t any reason to think he couldn’t also do this as scum and him taking 0 responsibility for his lion’s share of this insane clusterfuck isn’t sitting at all well with me. If TGP is scum here, I’d definitely not be ruling out Ico as a possible buddy. Why because they’re both bullshit shitpushing me and I’m seriously very close to losing it on him. It’s no longer amusing. In fact it’s downright shitty what he’s doing to me. It’s totally not okay, not even in the slightest.

ur the one doing the fucking shitty thing Nancy

you better take off whatever dark glasses ur wearing and start seeing what's actually going on here

[Iconeum]

i'm here to talk this through, however

[Iconeum]

You're also enabling Ico, someone I also am semi suspicious of, and in the group I think I am wrong to town read everyone in.

@Norwee, while I don’t agree with FL’s read on you, he isn’t wrong about this. My take is that you’re stunned town not really knowing how to react to it but you really should acknowledge that what Ico is doing to me now/has been doing, to me is ubershitty irrespective of alignment.

Ok.

The state of Norway officially condemns Iconeums actions as morally incorrect and will be dropping severe sanctions between our foreign relations with them if an written apology to Nancy is not seen in the next 24 hours.

[Iconeum]

@nancy

i'm not sure how serious you are about thinking i'm shitty towards you because that is absolutely not my intent…

other then that, ur being absolutely unreasonable with me here

[Iconeum]

I think Ico's push against Nancy is silly, and i'm not sure how serious it is.
So yes, i am egging it on so i can understand it better and what their mindset really is.

I think it’s pretty damn obvious isn’t it? He has one helluva a nerve making the batshit insane accusations he’s been making against after what he did to me and he’s been strong arming me and acting extremely manipulative - like how FL interacted with me in both PA and less so CoD but it’s extremely toxic and manipulative.

Before: You may be scum if you don’t sheep me on Akarin.

Now: You may be scum for not scumlocking Pine.

Yes, this is a bit of ah over exageration. I won’t deny that but it’s obviously necessary to open up some people’s eyes here.

Yes, it’s entirely possible that he actually believes all of this crap but when someone spews that kind of horseshit, my scumdar gets massively pinged. Only reason I’m not voting him rn is he at least had the good sense to steer clear of Molla wagon.

I DEMAND THAT YOU QUOTE ME WHERE I SAID OR SUGGESTED ANYTHING LIKE ANY OF THIS:

-I did not ask you to sheep me on akarin. I dare you to quote me on it.
-I said I didn't like you not scumreading Pine. Wtf is the problem with that?

I DEMAND THAT YOU QUOTE ME WHERE I STRONGARMED YOU THIS GAME - IT DID NOT HAPPEN

Nancy i'm serious about this. Quote me on it.

[Iconeum]

It's such a fucking huge misrep on my slot and i'm absolutely fucking angry about it. There's nothing fake here. This is fucking personal by now and I will not stop until we work this out.

[Iconeum]

I went back in my iso for you and quoted the ONLY post related to akarin and you. You just ignored it.

[Iconeum]

You are sucking the fun out of this game for me by acting like this Nancy. It's such a disingenous way to play this game and i fucking hate it. Last time I played with someone who intentionally makes up stories about me.. well. Yeah. It didn't end well.

Tho we were both town in the end.

[Iconeum]

I don't really understand what Iconeum would gain by pushing you here though? I think it's been made pretty clear that almost no slots has any interest in pushing you anymore, or at the very least should be quite aware it will be difficult as you are so townread.
I guess i just don't see what scum!Ico has to gain by picking a fight on you, but i suppose he could be trying to get townread like you said. That's a possibility i didn't really consider.

I already was townread by plenty of slots before I pushed Nancy. There was zero need for me to 'chain flips'. If I was scum, then town were doing that for me lol

[Iconeum]

ok final effort

Nancy I expect you to at least honestly commit to engaging with me over this next part

[Iconeum]

Nancy, early game you said you know my play and will at least listen to me because i tend to have good reads (and if you townread me)

after the early game, you never really engaged with me over my reads

when I made my first akarin-mini case, you ignored it. Then I called you out to share your thoughts with me over it. I did not strongarm you into anything. I politely asked you to JUST give your thoughts about it:

[Iconeum]

fancy commenting on my Akarin mini-case?

this is literally all i ask of you

how is this 'strongarming you to vote akarin'?

honestly?

[Iconeum]

now take that into context with your earlier statement about ' listening to my reads'

then add your reply 'oh there's not enough from akarin to make a call there', dismissing my case entirely without a single word on it's content

a while later, when others vote akarin you hop on and use something from BEFORE my case on her, to justify a vote there. That means you don't give a fuck about my read or case. It completely nullifies your early game statement about me, which led me to believe it was fake.

THAT IS THE REASON I VOTED YOU

[Iconeum]

because it felt like a pocket attempt towards me

i pushed you to get a read and see where it went

and then you went full rampage on me, misrepping me basicly every step of the way

[Iconeum]

i did not tie you to Pine

i did not force OR EVEN ASK you to vote akarin

i am not defending TGP

this is all a lie on your part, intentional or not

[Iconeum]

for the good of this game, we need to settle this Nancy

if we are both town here, the only ones profitting off this are the scum who remain to lay low and cruise here

[Iconeum]

?

[Iconeum]

@nancy

i'm not sure how serious you are about thinking i'm shitty towards you because that is absolutely not my intent…

other then that, ur being absolutely unreasonable with me here

I’m very serious. I can’t parse through your posts upon posts of bs misreps, discredits, insults and scapegoating me when you’re 100% responsible. I would prefer an acknowledgment and an apology from you but I won’t be holding my breath on that. :/

do you realize that i am feeling the *exact* same way about you? can you even comprehend that?

[Iconeum]

Nancy, this is the core of my spam. You can ignore the rest. But please try to adress this.

Spoiler:

Nancy, early game you said you know my play and will at least listen to me because i tend to have good reads (and if you townread me)

after the early game, you never really engaged with me over my reads

when I made my first akarin-mini case, you ignored it. Then I called you out to share your thoughts with me over it. I did not strongarm you into anything. I politely asked you to JUST give your thoughts about it:

fancy commenting on my Akarin mini-case?

this is literally all i ask of you

how is this 'strongarming you to vote akarin'?

honestly?

now take that into context with your earlier statement about ' listening to my reads'

then add your reply 'oh there's not enough from akarin to make a call there', dismissing my case entirely without a single word on it's content

a while later, when others vote akarin you hop on and use something from BEFORE my case on her, to justify a vote there. That means you don't give a fuck about my read or case. It completely nullifies your early game statement about me, which led me to believe it was fake.

THAT IS THE REASON I VOTED YOU

because it felt like a pocket attempt towards me

i pushed you to get a read and see where it went

and then you went full rampage on me, misrepping me basicly every step of the way

[Iconeum]

You are sucking the fun out of this game for me by acting like this Nancy. It's such a disingenous way to play this game and i fucking hate it. Last time I played with someone who intentionally makes up stories about me.. well. Yeah. It didn't end well.

Tho we were both town in the end.

No that’s what YOU’RE doing. Yet another garbage bullshit misrep to add to this list. I will not be engaging with you until I get an apology.

neither of us need to apologize for anything here
if you are town, then just read my previous spoiler and work with me here. I will absolutely extent that same courtesy to you...

[Iconeum]

If you can make smt like bullet points on how i am misrepping you, please do so. I don't feel like I am, so if you can list that I can at least see the 'charges i'm facing' here lol

[Iconeum]

@nancy

i'm not sure how serious you are about thinking i'm shitty towards you because that is absolutely not my intent…

other then that, ur being absolutely unreasonable with me here

I’m very serious. I can’t parse through your posts upon posts of bs misreps, discredits, insults and scapegoating me when you’re 100% responsible. I would prefer an acknowledgment and an apology from you but I won’t be holding my breath on that. :/

do you realize that i am feeling the *exact* same way about you? can you even comprehend that?

I am thisclose to losing it on you and putting my self at risk for a possible temp ban, so no. I’m really furious with you. First TGP made me cry, now this neverending interaction from hell. I cannot deal with this.

??? there's absolutely nothing to get this worked up about…

Take a step back, get some fresh air, and read my spoiler text next? It explains my thoughts on you as well as I can manage. Maybe you can finally see where i'm coming from?

And just put out some bullet points with actual points you have against me instead of screaming 'omg stop misrep' and i'll adress them properly.

No need to get mad

[Iconeum]

I'm sure we can handle this like adults and in a proper manner, neither of us are out of line here i feel so there really isn't anything to get this pissed about

If i'm really making you this angry IRL, then i'm sorry for that. It's not intentional. But I do believe i'm being very reasonable here and really trying to help you figure me out.

Give it a shot?

[Iconeum]

Nancy, this is the core of my spam. You can ignore the rest. But please try to adress this.

Spoiler:

Nancy, early game you said you know my play and will at least listen to me because i tend to have good reads (and if you townread me)

after the early game, you never really engaged with me over my reads

when I made my first akarin-mini case, you ignored it. Then I called you out to share your thoughts with me over it. I did not strongarm you into anything. I politely asked you to JUST give your thoughts about it:

fancy commenting on my Akarin mini-case?

this is literally all i ask of you

how is this 'strongarming you to vote akarin'?

honestly?

now take that into context with your earlier statement about ' listening to my reads'

then add your reply 'oh there's not enough from akarin to make a call there', dismissing my case entirely without a single word on it's content

a while later, when others vote akarin you hop on and use something from BEFORE my case on her, to justify a vote there. That means you don't give a fuck about my read or case. It completely nullifies your early game statement about me, which led me to believe it was fake.

THAT IS THE REASON I VOTED YOU

because it felt like a pocket attempt towards me

i pushed you to get a read and see where it went

and then you went full rampage on me, misrepping me basicly every step of the way

This is such an unproductive conversation.
Ico can you break down what this is about.

i mean...

[Iconeum]

really.

gun to your head you scream out they're SvS.

this is actually one of the more townier posts I think FL has made lately

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Zoraster

Exe-1

I believe

[Iconeum]

yep

[Iconeum]

So I thought we didn't want to elim Zor through the JOAT claim? Did that change or was it not just as much a consensus as I thought it was?

there's a part of me that is reluctant to vote off a claimed JOAT

but then Zor went AKF yet again and is contributing literally nothing

he also made that wallpost that concluded to absolutely nothing, which read to me like trying to appear like he was doing stuff

also Nancy apparently was a big fan of that post, but ended up voting Zor anyway so *shrug*

[Iconeum]

also Nancy v me isn't really doing much but cloud the game, so i'm having my team look into it with a fresh mindset
probably gonna be a hot topic on day 2

[Iconeum]

hi Nancy can we talk? i promise i'm not mad and i'll be calm so we can actually settle this

if you like, i have some stuff from my teammate Gypyx to go through with you?

[Iconeum]

if ur hellbend on that apology, I do think i've done that already for the part i truthfully feel bad about

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE: Akarin

Gonna do some stuff later, then ill decide

@Ico

You didn’t view this as townie?

i read that as NAI

[Iconeum]

also Nancy apparently was a big fan of that post, but ended up voting Zor anyway so *shrug*

I was townreading Nancy for other stuff, not really interested in voting her today, but obviously will reevaluate later.

oh don't get me wrong, i have no intention of voting or pushing Nancy but i would LOVE to sort her

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Akarin's ISO still reads pretty underwhelming, but these latest posts at least have a townie vibe to them

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I'm sure we can handle this like adults and in a proper manner, neither of us are out of line here i feel so there really isn't anything to get this pissed about

If i'm really making you this angry IRL, then i'm sorry for that. It's not intentional

. But I do believe i'm being very reasonable here and really trying to help you figure me out.

Give it a shot?

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you townread Zor?

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or is it just the claim?

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Like he's not the worst wagon of all time, but it felt like that wagon completely died out, he didn't really do anything, and now it's E-1? Doesn't feel like a scum wagon, feels implacable.

you answer your own question here

He claims, people ask more information, he goes 'no fu', provides a wallpost that achieves nothing, no follow up, no real conclusions, no statements about the game-relevant events

goes AFK after pressure eases up

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Nancy to be honest, i'm just waiting for you to be ready to adress the Obvious wrong shit you've been spewing about me these past couple days

it would be a very good start if you would *finally* quote me where i was manipulating you into voting akarin, a point where you've been so insistent about

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it would also be nice if you could quote me where i said you are a Pine buddy

also didn't happen

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i will admit that saying 'big fan' is a big overstatement on my part

i did not like that you liked that post re Zor, for the same reasons I did not like TGP liking that post (which i said in-game as well)

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However @Ico, if you’re going to continue to say shit it obviously isn’t true, you might as well not bother because it looks to me like you’re more interested in bs shading me rather than correctly sorting me.

please realize that i'm having the exact same feelings about you

your statement about me manipulating or strongarming you into voting Akarin is completely false
your statement about me linking you to Pine is just wrong

the part about me discrediting your TGP read is wrong as well, but i can at least see where you got that from

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like, you can EASILY prove me wrong by quoting the posts where I did that, yeah?

the only problem is that *there are no such posts*

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Nancy just adress 1469 please?

that would be so helpfull

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ok

i will admit that saying 'big fan' is a big overstatement on my part

i did not like that you liked that post re Zor, for the same reasons I did not like TGP liking that post (which i said in-game as well)

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You claimed to be losing your tr on me after I didn’t sheep you on her, then you inexplicably voted me after I did vote her.

you completely fail to understand my point, and you misrepped me when saying that i tried to strongarm and manipulate you into voting her

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ok

i will admit that saying 'big fan' is a big overstatement on my part

i did not like that you liked that post re Zor, for the same reasons I did not like TGP liking that post (which i said in-game as well)

You are still misrepping me. I said it wasn’t a “bad” post. That isn’t the same thing. Otoh, I actually DID like the FL post I quoted.

that's not a misrep lol

also stating something 'isn't bad' either equals 'liking it' or it's NAI, in which case you were still using your post as a (soft) defense of Zor, right?

come on, stating that is me misrepping you is just wrong?

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AND she's townreading pine

yeah

i'm taking this 1v1

this one?

i mean, i'm calling you out for what i think is a bad OR a faked read

what exactly is the problem with that? I don't see that as linking you TO pine, rather then grilling you on your read OF pine?

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You claimed to be losing your tr on me after I didn’t sheep you on her, then you inexplicably voted me after I did vote her.

you completely fail to understand my point, and you misrepped me when saying that i tried to strongarm and manipulate you into voting her

No I didn’t because that’s exactly how it felt to me. I can’t read your mind and based on your post, that was my take on it. If that wasn’t actually your intention then you failed to make that clear.

i will try to explain as best as i can here

-You said in the early game something like 'oh if ico is town, they usually have good reads'. Yeah?
-Then when I asked you to look at my Akarin case (no strongarming or manipulating involved, unlike you are suggesting), you dismissed it easily without going into details. 'akarin not enough content can't judge' or something like that. Yeah?
-A little later, you did end up voting akarin, for stuff that happened PRIOR to my case on akarin.

My conclusion is that you just don't give a fuck about my reads, which means your early statement about me and my reads is bullshit. You were townreading me at that time, so i conclude that town!nancy would indeed be listening/working with me more here on my reads.

After that conclusion i decided to poke and vote you. And you blew up, started shouting stuff like how i tried to strongarm and manipulate you into voting akarin, after which I blew up as well.

The rest is history.

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And why no comment on your blatantly obvious misrep on this? Why are you not addressing this?

You say I linked you TO pine. That's just not true, and therefore it's not a misrep. I called you out on your read OF pine.
Feel free to quote me where i linked you TO pine.

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Yes and that’s why I seriously wonder if you could be scum here because you’ve seen both my town and scum game, yet you’re clearly misreading me here.

honestly, i have no recollection of either

as for the misreading part... I'm not sure. 60% town, 40% scum just about. I'm continuing this 1v1 with you not because I hard scumread you, but because of feelings.

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OMG THE POWERPUFF GIRLS

yeah i definitely remember them lol

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omg i'm smiling like some idiot behind my desk here