Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Nashville Dreams]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf
Vanity mostly

This is viggable.

[Nashville Dreams]

yeah, locking it in this is town toogeloo.

Not that confident but catboi needs to be flipped today.

[Nashville Dreams]

I don't wanna vote toog

Then vote catboi.

[Nashville Dreams]

I'm a super bitch because of IRL. All posts today have been me.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

I feel like I'm missing some crucial piece of info here

Well what info do you feel you have?

[Nashville Dreams]

#vigmeg

In b4 someone creates a meg counter because everyone agrees

[Nashville Dreams]

I have a decent grasp on a few player's alignments I think, as well as any information I do or do not have via my role.

What I don't get is why everyone seems so bloodthirsty all of a sudden

WHO DO YOU FEEL YOU HAVE A "DECENT GRASP ON"?

You really don't get why people want this really long day to end?

This is fucking fake and this is bad dodging.

[Nashville Dreams]

What the fuck even is the vote count?

[Nashville Dreams]

Someone should make a game with a compulsive D1 desperado inventor that must wait 72 hours to fire in fucking larges of this size

[Nashville Dreams]

For all I know, I was already hammered.

Can you at least give us something?

[Nashville Dreams]

I was already hammered.

How I wish it were so

ND, can you please just vote toogs

When I get home in 4 to 5 hours, I'll check then.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

toog is in antispew rn bc theyre a likely elimination and its really that simple and they just want to kill catboi bc it isnt them

we have SvS wagons likely with catboi less likely and theyve both self presing on eachother

Then can you please give me the one to help my VCA more?

[Nashville Dreams]

I'm fairly convinced the toog wagon has multiple scum on it by the way it formed alone.

I don't townread Toogeloo but I also don't think you need my vote either, they may already be dead. I'll chill for now and we can talk about this wagon later

What about catboi? Why won't you answer my questions?

[Nashville Dreams]

I was considering toogeloo for a while, but the wagon itself + way they claimed actively pushed me to town read them.

THE WAY THEY CLAIMED WAS JUST A JOKE REFERENCING A PRIOR JOKE CLAIM WHICH SHOWS THEY HAVE BEEN READING STUFF

it isnt fucking alignment indicative like wow.

When I was busy, I responded to what I could and skipped the rest.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

reading some posts does not mean they have been reading most posts.

But reading some posts should be enough to have some opinions.

Yet you're fine with Meg hinting she has reads she won't disclose, giving no reads, defending Toog and dodging a catboi read?

That should die over honest drowning.

[Nashville Dreams]

Town admit to be drowning. Scum pretend and dangle fucking carrots.

[Nashville Dreams]

this is unequivocally a stupid compromise wagon, but i need the day to be over and for us to get some actual mod confirmed info or i think my head is going to explode

Cass then vote one. Then hopefully I can work out some of this rage on my way home.

[Nashville Dreams]

Town admit to be drowning. Scum pretend and dangle fucking carrots.

prove this assumption with actual evidence

Every single fucking large

[Nashville Dreams]

Also I stg if there’s a vig in this game and you don’t shoot

FL

Meg or Butter I will haunt your dreams for a year

Fify

[Nashville Dreams]

I'm going to a jail now. If there's a change in 15 minutes, I will vote Toog and obviously change my position to vig catboi.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

meg can totally be scum. That whole "but we need to use more of the clock" is LAMISTT.

I'd go for scumclaiming than lamist but right for wrong reasons is fine by me.

[Nashville Dreams]

"dangling carrots" is the default response to not being caught up and busy irl regardless of alignment - so that side is false. saying "i can't make reads even though I've read part of the game" is what im referring to

No.

Toog isn't promising to give reads anytime soon because the situation doesn't look like it will change.

Meg is dangling carrots that she has mysterious reads that she refuses to define. That's designed to look like scumhunting.

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@Well Done, I already answered Klick. Use control F. I'm too lazy to do that.

I'm done repeating myself to you. You're mostly, if not completely, asking me questions and you aren't even bothering to read my posts. I answered one of your questions 3 fucking times and now you're repeating something else I have answered. That begs the question, are you really scumhunting or making noise to create the appearance I am not answering.

[Nashville Dreams]

If I hear one nore discredit about a case being circumstantial, I will quote you the circumstantial evidence jury instructions when I get home. The only direct evidence we get are confessions and invests.

[Nashville Dreams]

FL, I am going to have words of wisdom for yoy specifically and everyone generally when I get home.

[Nashville Dreams]

To everyone

As a collective, we needto get better at communicating. There are a lot of words but no one is listening to each other. The amount of trying to force wagons throughout the day is high. We have too many chefs in the kitchen, reminiscent of civilization mafia. The high volume of posting makes some people feel their points are drowned out. Therefore, they act like the only way to get a good lim is to be forceful, overconfident and loud. This causes others to take the same approach. This adds on to the drowning out problem and blocks slots from participating entirely. It kills any investigation because things get drowned out.

No one is listening to each other. It's about shoving opinions.

The thing is a lot is revealed between the lines of what people say, even if that's not my strong suit.

Good town players can and do read situations differently. That's precisely how I feel about SCP aka Koba. Town frequently fos different members of scum. It's impossible to get a cohesive town block with stubborn factions like this.

I can forget having Mala read this and she's a huge asset to me.

[Nashville Dreams]

Nah. I don’t like the wagon. A lot of good info still happening.

did you see Catboi claimed PR?

Exactly like you and I warned people.

We aren't getting Catboi unfortunately.

I missed this. Where'd he claim?

[Nashville Dreams]

@Cass - you ready?

Give me 1 hr

[Nashville Dreams]

Follow up part 2

The most persuasive case is usually a short case. To butcher an old adage, the more you have to explain the less persuasive you are and it's easier to find one detail to disagree and get people to confbias. The last word syndrome basically is a bias that if you just say one magical thing, then the other person will be persuaded. Most everyone is caught up in that here.

The best example of recent case communication (although not great) is myself and Koba. We disagree with each other but we understand each other and I feel that's a good foundation to start from. I feel that, if I could get a confident enough foothold with refreshed information, that I could discuss some reads like butter with them (I think that's the right pronoun).

This thread has largely lost that ability due to the rehash. I wanted to test partner scenarios and that's out.

The behavior has also lead to a suboptimal gamestate, even if we eliminate catboi's slot which individually helps me in the future. Whoever loses will feel completely left out. Part of this toxic standoff could have been avoided if people could get or force the non voters to contribute. That's impossible as town and scum would have difficulties catching up in this gamestate.

This lead to foreclosing the best collective elimination of Meg today. We have a solidish town core with most agreeing (even if they feel each other is a pain in the ass) on members minus 1 or 2 on the outskirts. If this group could have worked together, we could have swung a Meg elimination that would have made a multitude of people happy for a multitude of reasons. Even if one or two of the town core was scum, distancing from Meg there was easy as no one would move to lim there given the toxic gamestate.

So the question becomes, why didn't I quote everyone's agreement and push the elimination? To be frank, everyone's sick of this day. Sometimes cohesion requires giving up on what I think is the most optimal play.

Flavor Leaf

I am going to single you out a bit, despite you being my strongest P
TR. Your hyper posting regarding catboi drowned out a lot of discussion, including things that I wanted to do. This is very distespectful to your townreads and is borderline arrogant. Given you said you're self aware, then you should know that a town leader should look to get the best from their townreads. This ain't it.

It also lets catboi obscure reads if scum because anyone would be pissed off at the severity of the tunnel. It drowns out other things to read as well to help get reads or force catboi to give them as scum. It cuts off people from reading catboi independently. My by play read on catboi hasn't really evolved since before I was wagoned because of the impossible communication when I got back from work.

I can't even scumread the requests to vig you because this reminds me of civilization. I had to actually advocate for a vig/lim on my own slot to try and save town cohesion. It makes total sense for town to want you dead to communicate and scum to want you dead for being obvious town.

The fact you still play in such an anti-town manner is extremely frustrating. I have skimmed over a good chunk of your posts and missed things due to your hyperposting.

1140 posts is absolutely unacceptable when the nearest person has 410.

[Nashville Dreams]

Why not claim before you die

Toxic gamestate.

Let me put out a reasonless readwall before hammer plz.

[Nashville Dreams]

I forgot one thing FL.

When multiple people say they flat out refuse to do what you want because of how you're acting, then you need to change. All of them are not likely scum.

[Nashville Dreams]

can you not be on a worthless vanity wagon ~_~

as much as everyone probably wants to kill him regardless of alignment ur just not helping by doing that because no one is going to actually rally to kill him lol

I'll hammer Toog in a moment.

Just promise me you read my communication messages.

[Nashville Dreams]

butterchurn - Moderate scum
Nashville Dreams (Titus & Malakittens) - Moony Town
Cat Scratch Fever - Was lean town but fell down, likely not fault of their own. Memory issue here
Save The Dragons - Strong Town Lean
Toogeloo momo - Strong Town Lean
Sword of Ducks - I personally feel scum. Gamestate town.
cassowary - Who?
Nero Cain Wallflower - Prob town
SCP 682 Tracer Bullet - Second biggest TR
The Keeper - Frustrating as hell
Dunnstral Well Done (Dunnstral & Lukewarm) - Punting but I don't like their repeating of things I already answered but this again could be gamestate.
MegAzumarill - Almost certainly scum.
catboi - Needs to flip soon.
MalcolmTucker - Viggable.
bnuuy - Goal to sort tmo.
tictac - Likely scum with butter and possibly catboi.
MonkeyMan576 - When I start to feel town here, they say something icky.
Klick - Need to see more than punish FL.
Enchant - Should be vigged.
mastina - Can't explain without being antitown. Lean town.
Flavor Leaf - Biggest TR
Menalque - Lean town, minor VCA problem.
Ydrasse NorwegianboyEE - Didn't like EE push on me but Ydrasse towned up the slot. Plus wagon reactions suggest Ydrasse town.

[Nashville Dreams]

VOTE: Toog

[Nashville Dreams]

Malefactor doesn't have a gun.

How do you know that?

My role pm says so.

Lmao.

thanks for making my rather shitty day a little less terrible.

You are the first person to make me laugh all day

[Nashville Dreams]

VOTE: fl

also

@mod: both heads of this hydra will be V/LA every weekend

[Nashville Dreams]

IDK

i just saw a guilty on FL

maybe i jumped the gun

get it?

guilty on a gunsmith

[Nashville Dreams]

bite me.

[Nashville Dreams]

Werewolves are telepathic, and they share a pack mentality. If one wolf feels pain or dies, the others can feel their pain. At least Twilight got one thing correct, right?

[Nashville Dreams]

Volkodlak is a Slavic word for werewolf, but when translated to the Serbian language, it means vampire.

k, i'm done.

[Nashville Dreams]

i gotta agree w/ nc

ANYWAYS LETS YEEEEEEEEEET FL

MONKEYDUDES GOT A GUILTY.

[Nashville Dreams]

@Monkey, I think an initial wagon analysis is a great idea.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

UNVOTE: ND

I know Mala voted a guilty claim and it's usually the right thing to do, but there are a few things that give me doubt without the guilty being fake. So I'd like to compare who wants FL dead with the VCs.

1) FL claiming at night start. While I can't see it, FL wouldn't lie there as multiple people could CC him. Well we could have a whole random neighbor bullshit but unlikely.
2) The limited kill mechanic - The amount of nightkills/heals required to believe FL is not a vig. Heals/kill stops are very unlikely n1 due to the sheer number of possible heal targets and the lack of information. At least the werewolf kill was non-existent/healed/stopped/did not occur. Given the penalty to killing, it makes it very much less likely that FL matched a scum kill target.
3) FL is consistent - Shooting someone that was impossible to eliminate despite feeling there's great evidence makes sense. It also helps his townreads.
4) Ease to lim catboi - A catboi kill, unless mafia were tunneling him all day, doesn't make sense particularly given the cost. They would know, at a minimum, there would be two slots always willing to vote catboi/RCE. Even if we supposed FL scum, he would know that a catboi elimination would always be a strategically preferred elimination.
5) Catboi alive protects FL partners - With catboi alive, it shields his teammates because of the repeated wagon unless of course FL's team was flailing like desperate chickens to eliminate catboi.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

Separate from the guilty, there's two players I want today. Meg due to the overwhelming consensus that they were scum yesterday and their awkward push onto FL. Butterchurn due to his repeated and unjustified counterwagoning everything but catboi and tictac.

There's also the no voters who are bad. Normally, I'd say a vig could handle them but there's a push on the alleged vig.

[Nashville Dreams]

so 8 ball
frankly I'm more liable to think FL is mafia than vigi

FL should probably be out of contention for killing today and reexamination tomorrow seems wise. (Extra kill data will be nice)

What exactly is your position here?

[Nashville Dreams]

So who do you want to eliminate?

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Additionally I'm fairly sure it's just you and FL actively scumreading me for the most part so "overwhelming consensus" is a bit of a misrep

Oh ok.

VOTE: Meg

Quote retrieval time.

[Nashville Dreams]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf
Vanity mostly

This is viggable.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf
Vanity mostly

This is viggable.

For the first time in a while we are in agreement

VOTE: Flavor Leaf
Vanity mostly

This is viggable.

The 4 stragglers of Catboi wagons were Toogeloo, Tictac, MegA, and Cat Scratch Fever.

Toogeloo and Tictac were the townier ones of those 4, and they're the ones who were wagoned.

We tried to get Cat Scratch going at one point, and it didn't work.

MegA would be who I'd vig if I had a vig, possibly Catboi, but I tend not to vig my main scum reads, but this might have been a special case.

But yeah, Vig Mega.

#vigmeg

[Nashville Dreams]

reading some posts does not mean they have been reading most posts.

But reading some posts should be enough to have some opinions.

Yet you're fine with Meg hinting she has reads she won't disclose, giving no reads, defending Toog and dodging a catboi read?

That should die over honest drowning.

MEG IS ALSO SCUM

we can't eliminate 3 people in 1 day here

there are NINE SCUM

we cant get them all at the same time.

[Nashville Dreams]

meg can totally be scum. That whole "but we need to use more of the clock" is LAMISTT.

[Nashville Dreams]

you vote FL on the basis of the GS claim -> get proven that FL crumbed a role already -> still maintain the push based on hastily drawn reasons

thats a scumclaim folks

Add in the reaction to my earlier push.
Add in their recent comment about wanting to stall the day before Ydrasse outs their guilty. That looks like antispew.
There's no reason why town wouldn't want more discussion. 1) If we talk about Ydrasse's alleged guilty organically, we get feedback on reads within the cycle of a day. 2) Ydrasse might not have a guilty and would be gambiting. Refusal to talk results in wasted time.

[Nashville Dreams]

Voting anyone here is a bad idea util ydrasse confesses their guilty

[Nashville Dreams]

Koba, give me this one, please?

[Nashville Dreams]

Voting isn't talking and that was me

Voting is the supreme form of talking.

[Nashville Dreams]

Words are cheap, actions matter.

[Nashville Dreams]

Voting anyone here is a bad idea util ydrasse confesses their guilty

VOTE: Nashville

Stop me

Better than not voting yesterday.

[Nashville Dreams]

Like I care if my points stand to you.

Koba added reasons for you to be scum. I supplemented. I'll let Koba decide. I'm not going to get you to confess today lol.

[Nashville Dreams]

Koba, give me this one, please?

?

We did Toog yesterday.
Meg today (or tmo if Ydrasse has a guilty).

[Nashville Dreams]

i specifically recommended investigatives check StD and im disappointed they didnt tho btw

Says who?

[Nashville Dreams]

i mean tbh i think mena is the more blatant one and is in his lurkscum meta atm and prob went into antispew bc ydra guilty is likely on him lol

Then, vote Meg with me. Pray Ydrasse withdraws or lies about the guilty for reactions and reveals the truth at midday so we can scumhunt.

[Nashville Dreams]

i specifically recommended investigatives check StD and im disappointed they didnt tho btw

Says who?

? both claimed mafia specific investigatives claimed to check FL here.

*pats you* Not sure I totally trust everything but I get the feeling this is near role madness with everyone having a vt or weak role.

[Nashville Dreams]

I have a guilty. Why wouldn't I push for them to be eliminated?

The more you push for Town-FL the more likely he is to be scum, to be frank, based on your voting history.

I'm just going to sigh as you both go after each other.

Ignore his vote record. Go for mine.

[Nashville Dreams]

Let's avoid mechanics and pissing contests and go where most people agree scum is.

[Nashville Dreams]

FL never softed vig before n1 and the restriction aligns with how restrictive catboi's role was

Explain please.
This just feels like you're pissed at Flavor for yesterday.

[Nashville Dreams]

Also, why does anyone need to soft?

[Nashville Dreams]

Can you just join me on Meg Flavor?

[Nashville Dreams]

The fewer wagons the better at this point in my opinion. No reason to force town claims out if we have two likely guilties.

Who said anything about claims yet? Yours is likely misleading. If we talk, we get info. Particularly if someone strongly reads the guilty or the guilty spews. Shutting down denies information to us.

Doubly so if Ydrasse is gambiting.

[Nashville Dreams]

I also hate wasted days for VCA.

[Nashville Dreams]

I know the setup generation was random to some degree but I feel like FL could be a mafia vig as a parallel to catboi’s role
There’s also apparently some restriction on his ability to kill? I’m curious what that is, if I saw it right.

Mafia vigs are not allowed in normals.

[Nashville Dreams]

So we know FL is not a WW if Ydrasse town.

That's not a guilty but unless FL is mafia or malefactor with a gun (Ydrasse please check if the latter is possible), he's town.

[Nashville Dreams]

FL was already confirmed not werewolf via monastery

Yes but Ydrasse couldn't know that catboi was a WW when submitting his check.

[Nashville Dreams]

This is true but why post any result

Reactions. More info for later.

If FL is town, Ydrasse if town, becomes very powerful for a night.

[Nashville Dreams]

I mean can you get more results?

Do not answer this blatant fish. Vote it.

[Nashville Dreams]

MM, can you vote Meg?

[Nashville Dreams]

Like it's pretty clear your guilty isn't a guilty...

[Nashville Dreams]

It's not more plausible because there are 4 chances for him to roll mafia. There is also the possibility there is no town vig. You are ignoring the actual odds.

What's the odds we're calculating because I dunno if you noticed I'm incredibly weird and keep using the Slot machines.

The odds FL rolled mafia vs. the odds he rolled town vig vs. the odds he is werewolf with some role with a gun.

Unless Ydrasse rolled scum, the latter is impossible.
At least one team no killed. It's totally plausible both did.

[Nashville Dreams]

Also - Monkey raised this possibility briefly but is there a chance SCP/Flavor can be a team together here?

No. This just plummeted you in my reads. FL and SCP do not fight for control of the thread to that extent if teamed.

Also, I still feel Meg should be the elimination, but I'm not about to turn this into yesterday again. I don't have a TR on CSF.

VOTE: CSF

[Nashville Dreams]

I'll need to catch up later tonight. I see the last VC is over 100 posts old. Meg is still my preference but I'll likely vote any major wagon I don't object to when I catch up.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

there's prob 1 mafia in the monks and 1 wolf in the masonry and thats prob klick so meg and tictac are town?

Why Klick over Meg?

[Nashville Dreams]

(Ngl I don't know what to do right now. I might actually resume my catchup, since:
-I am not seeing any super-duper important things to respond to,
-My preferred wagon of FL is still the leading wagon,
-I am struggling to think of things to post,
-The game is slow enough that my catchup style actually might work,
-It could help break players who have stagnated, out of their stagnation.

But, will be "done as I can", since:

V/LA from May 10th - May 20th

due to work.)

How in the world can you still favor an FL elimination given his accuracy, claim, and guaranteed not bussing?

[Nashville Dreams]

Dunn isn't hunting, all he cares about is why I'm scum reading him.

I've felt weird about that hydra and their interactions with me. Can you give a summary of your exact position?

[Nashville Dreams]

Why do I feel like mastina is biding time.

Biding time for what? Why?

This post and last were Titus.

[Nashville Dreams]

I don't know. Probably related to her role.

I know you find FL as the better elimination but I find the only reason mastina would stall to buy time is to give CSF more time. She (if she has a role) would still be able to act today. I don't recall mastina stating a read on CSF.

[Nashville Dreams]

Also, I hold mastina to a higher standard than you.

[Nashville Dreams]

What’s that supposed to mean. I don’t remember the last time I v l a d.

Please rephrase. I don't know what l v l a d means.

[Nashville Dreams]

he's saying he doesn't recall when he last went on VLA

Thanks for clarifying.

I don't see what MM has to deal with Mastina possibly stalling.

If he meant mastina, the misgender is confusing.

Clarify please?

[Nashville Dreams]

Yes, I meant mastina, sorry.

I just find mastina's low activity suspicious in general.

I don't really but it's semi fair. That's a game impacting VLA but I don't feel her VLA is scum related. We can issues for differing reasons.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

I just said to take the VLA aspect out of it, it's the activity level that's concerning

Kinda hard to do given the frequency and length

[Nashville Dreams]

That's why I said semi far. It's impossible to read her engagement but it can still undeniably ping. I'm reading her by her FL read but still can't deny but I hope the lack of activity doesn't factor. People can and frequently do consider inadmissible evidence.

[Nashville Dreams]

I find the dynamic between Nero and mastina interesting but dynamic is the wrong word. I see mostly opposite reads.

[Nashville Dreams]

Klick Meg CSF FL at least are different.

[Nashville Dreams]

(Read everything in the day phase so far but fuck going through to respond to it all I'm not falling behind again by trying that)

VOTE: Flavor Leaf
-Still scum,
-Still alive,
-I don't care about FL's claim, the prior to are more important,
-He has a wagon on him
-{MegAzumarill, Nashville Dreams, SCP, Cat Scratch Fever, Menalque} are all town so the wagons on them suck.

So this is my preference.

Would also vote {bnuuy, Enchant, butterchurn, Monkeyman, Malcolm Tucker},

maybe

cassowary.

Butyeah,

FL >>>>> bnuuy

>

Monkeyman

>

Enchant = Malcolm Tucker = butterchurn >>> cassowary >>>>> slots y'all are being stupid for wagoning because they're town

In terms of eliminations here. (I admit that Klick

could

be a werewolf, but being a mason + vibing with Klick's reads yesterday make me think the masonry is all town.)

These are mastina's latest reads.
She has CSF town. Nero has CSF scum.
She has FL scum. Nero has FL town.
She has Meg town. Nero has Meg scum.
She has Klick town. Nero has Klick scum.
She has Melanque town. Nero appears to FoS Melanque.

mastina doesn't mention Nero in her wall at all.

[Nashville Dreams]

I'm wrong on Nero CSF.

[Nashville Dreams]

I think it might be a good idea to see mastina's relationship with the people missing from her last reads list.

[Nashville Dreams]

I might have, but I think as scum I'm generally careful to be logically correct, so if I did then I did genuinely believe that your reasoning was wrong there as well.

Is the TDLR that you were wrong for the right reasons and Nero was right for the wrong reasons?

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

Do you feel that's happening here?

[Nashville Dreams]

Welp that cats out of the bag
Not like it wasn’t extremely easy to figure out tho

oooooooooof

wow that lowkey makes me think you are prob town after that alt-slip

nero is town as well.

[Nashville Dreams]

Yeah but I don't want to question the integrity of a high ranking member of the site.

It just seems a very odd thing to do in my opinion.

ngl i still dont really see where these mastina townreads are coming from.
this is one of the reads that titus and i disagree on
regardless of VLA or not.

[Nashville Dreams]

Welp that cats out of the bag
Not like it wasn’t extremely easy to figure out tho

oooooooooof

wow that lowkey makes me think you are prob town after that alt-slip

nero is town as well.

Yeah but I don't want to question the integrity of a high ranking member of the site.

It just seems a very odd thing to do in my opinion.

ngl i still dont really see where these mastina townreads are coming from.
this is one of the reads that titus and i disagree on
regardless of VLA or not.

These two were mala

[Nashville Dreams]

U have to simultaneously push all 8 scumreads at once or else ir scum

ur scum

k, game solved

[Nashville Dreams]

Toogeloo (12) | SCP 682,

Ydrasse, Menalque

, butterchurn,

tictac

,

catbo

i, mastina, Sword of Ducks,

Save The Dragons, bnuuy

, cassowary,

Nashville Dreams

Cat Scratch Fever (7) | Flavor Leaf,

Nashville Dreams, bnuuy, tictac, Ydrasse, Save The Dragons, Menalque

This is a persuasive point.

VOTE: Dunn

[Nashville Dreams]

^^^ obvTitus

[Nashville Dreams]

@Nero - Doubt my VCA solves, do you?

People doubted the Catboi VCA too.

It's not VCA until day 3 and a scum flip. It's just wagon analysis.

There's no particular reason to think one person turning the wagon away from catboi is scummier than another in a vacuum unless it happens repeatedly imo.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

or not impossible he's just town with not great reads.

My best reasoning for eliminating Malcolm and Mena is that they don't care and are willing to die.

That's the same reason Toog was eliminated though.

[Nashville Dreams]

^^^ Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

But yeah, the whole asking me why I was scum reading him and when I didn't answer him so he asked me over and over does make it seem like he's overly worried.

I feel like Dunn is repeating things and deliberating not seeing responses or looking at the context. The slot did the same thing to me as well.

[Nashville Dreams]

I still think dunn is town

I guess maybe wolf

I find it odd that you're excluding mafia. Basis?

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

From when I read CSF's ISO the other day I agree with Mastina that they seem townie. Not been fully up to scratch on the game but I keep seeing suggestions to vote CSF without a proper case.

this seems like a copout :upsidedown:

Malcolm's voting no one.

[Nashville Dreams]

i think your interaction with catboi could be partnery

If I draw scum with catboi here I have much more interest in this game than I do have
I also suspect catboi wouldn't have left
Like that would actually be fun

i don't believe you

*shrug*
The universal soft nudge of me onto the bottom of everyone's reads lists with no actual pressure is indicative that both scumteams are completely fine with me being lined up as a mislim in like 2-3 days.

Feels.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

VOTE: NeroCain

Bit of a gut read but why not.

Lmao.

Technically a vote, but on a vanity wagon that has no shot and Malcom gives no reason.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

snip

This post really just made me want to vote Klick tbh

yeah the "you only talked about Klick" thing was kind of just... not true, but tbf, you said that Mena was lurksack, which is also not true given he has hundreds of posts

Well Done was really town day 1, and while the slot has fallen off, I think that could also be a function of it just being one head now instead of a hydra

name a significant take that menalque has expressed

catboi town LOL

How about no.

I specifically gave them a chance to defend catboi due to their wagon pattern. They didn't.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

Sorry confused mel with Butter.

I need to stop working 13 hour days.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

What was townie about Well Done d1?

Definitely read their Nashville push from day 1 b/c I'm scumreading that slot too. I can link in a bit

Their reads on Flavor and the Keeper felt distinctly townie

You mean their push where they asked us the same thing they should have known without asking and then repeatedly ignoring my answer? You found that townie?

[Nashville Dreams]

VOTE: ydrasse

Who's down for this?

No.

[Nashville Dreams]

What was townie about Well Done d1?

Definitely read their Nashville push from day 1 b/c I'm scumreading that slot too. I can link in a bit

Their reads on Flavor and the Keeper felt distinctly townie

You mean their push where they asked us the same thing

they should have known without asking

and then repeatedly ignoring my answer? You found that townie?

Are we talking about the same thing? The thing where you argued that MonkeyMan was scum then used the same logic to argue that catboi was scum (and then dropped the MonkeyMan scumread). If so, then yes I did think it was a town thought process

Maybe it's lack of sleep but I have no idea what this references.

[Nashville Dreams]

VOTE: ydrasse

Who's down for this?

No.

Why not?

Ydrasse is town.

[Nashville Dreams]

Are we talking about the same thing? The thing where you argued that MonkeyMan was scum then used the same logic to argue that catboi was scum (and then dropped the MonkeyMan scumread). If so, then yes I did think it was a town thought process

So Dunn got pissed off that ND dropped her scumread on MM to scumread wolf scum and that makes you think he's town. Shouldn't it have raised an eyebrow that he was chainsaw attacking ND? That sorta makes him look like a wolf buddy, no?

That wagon on me pinged like a chainsaw because of its timing. I understood some FoS because I was IRL inactive. The wagon emerged as I was coming back. I wasn't even saying catboi was scum. I was saying catboi might need to be the elimination for town unity.

[Nashville Dreams]

Butterchurn engaging in revisionist history is cute and a flagrant attempt to discredit anyone who can't be a wolf.

Without even cite checking, there's bullshit that a) the only other major wagon besides myself and catboi was MM, b) the wagon on us immediately dissipated when Ydrasse entered/Norway exited which meant scum could no longer hide on that wagon, c) butter is objecting to me using wagon momentum and claiming lack of progression. His original vote was because he didn't like the catboi vote.

My bet, without proof, is that the wolves jumped upon me when they saw an opportunity due to my prior RL and EE pushing heavily. They did not expect EE to leave and thus make their parking obvious.

[Nashville Dreams]

Actually, I did check the receipts on the disintegration of my wagon and there's an alternative. Maybe people unified behind EE because they were obviously town and wanted to progress things. With EE leaving, there was no reason to stay there leaving the scum out in the cold rather than the scum immediately bailing. That makes more sense with my reads but could be me forcing things onto my reads.

[Nashville Dreams]

Nashville Dreams (4) | butterchurn, Well Done, catboi, Cat Scratch Fever

This is the last few people hanging on from yesterday. We know catboi was scum. We know butterchurn was on almost every counterwagon to catboi there was, if not every wagon, we've been over Dunn's problems and that leaves CSF. While CSF doesn't have the same gaping holes, CSF hasn't been a beacon of towniness either.

[Nashville Dreams]

I gave butterchurn chances to defend catboi because their vote position was crap and I got semantic deflections instead

[Nashville Dreams]

votecount 2.7

Cat Scratch Fever (6) | Flavor Leaf, bnuuy, tictac, Ydrasse, Save The Dragons, Menalque

Dunnstral (5) | Nero Cain, Nashville Dreams, SCP 682, cassowary, Save The Dragons

Flavor Leaf (4) | Klick, Dunnstral, mastina, Cat Scratch Fever

Nashville Dreams (3) | butterchurn,

Enchant,

MegAzumarill

Menalque (2) | Sword of Ducks,

MonkeyMan576

MonkeyMan576 (1) | The Keeper

Not Voting | MalcolmTucker

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-20 20:06:00).

Complain scum won't vote partners...won't vote major wagons....

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

I withdraw my complaint as to MM.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

I'll need to catch up later.
From what I have read Monkey has dropped a few notches

This is still scum.

[Nashville Dreams]

its why i townread dunnstral he just has felt the same as the game i've linked. i didn't like his "prove it" post it just seemed like scum giving up but now i'm waffling back and forth and don't know if i should stay on dunnstral and compromise or choose someone i actually would feel good about flipping and be stubborn

Why are these mutually exclusive? Do you feel good about any of the major wagons?

[Nashville Dreams]

its why i townread dunnstral he just has felt the same as the game i've linked. i didn't like his "prove it" post it just seemed like scum giving up but now i'm waffling back and forth and don't know if i should stay on dunnstral and compromise or choose someone i actually would feel good about flipping and be stubborn

Why are these mutually exclusive? Do you feel good about any of the major wagons?

sorry i'm in a bad headspace what parts are mutually exclusive

i feel good about csf and i think i wouldn't mind a wagon on you

I don't get why here. The three people who opened voting for me who I called scum in the past, particularly Meg who is now prod dodging. Enchant has avoided any major wagon. Butter is an obvious wolf. Obviously you gotta do what you gotta do but I feel an invested StD sees that and puts his vote on CSF.

I get disagreeing on Dunn. I happen to think you're wrong though.

[Nashville Dreams]

I think I just went up a few notches lol.

Agreed.

[Nashville Dreams]

i think it's a little handwavey to take butter's post against you and call them a wolf

Ok. We had that discussion multiple times. Butter's making huge walls to obscure 1) they voted on every wagon but catboi and 2) they jumped on me as soon as I suggested catboi might need to be eliminated and 3) the wagon on me (minus a few scumreads) disintegrated after EE was subbed out, suggesting scum were kissing EE's ass. That's true of wolves.

They're using "makes no sense" and walls to obscure.

If it's the truth and simple, it can usually be said simply.

I can wall back later if you'd like but I feel that's a waste of space as we aren't likely eliminating butter and we need the group to work together.

[Nashville Dreams]

what's your opinion of menalque

Lean town. Gives same vibes as you D1 but it's troubling he won't do much.

[Nashville Dreams]

If my choice is between CSF and Dunn today I'm definitely voting CSF

but I'm frustrated that FL lost steam

You're choosing the wagon I'm pushing because the wagon on me lost steam?

This is multiball.

[Nashville Dreams]

i just don't believe you think butterchurn is a wolf for not voting catboi but menalque is lean town for vibes

It's not that he didn't vote catboi. It's that he voted everyone but catboi and attacked me when I started to move towards voting there.

Second melanque is giving off the same response and tone as you D1 so I'm leaning town. I hate slots at null.

If you don't believe the truth, not much I can do. Can lead a horse to water, but can't make it drink.

[Nashville Dreams]

like you don't have to wolfread menalque but you have to at least consider it

did you consider it somewhere this game?

Of course. That's why Mel is a weak lean town.

[Nashville Dreams]

3) I already explained how this was false. The wagon disintegrated when both hydra heads returned from being gone from the thread for several days.

Flat out false. People scrambled moments after EE was replaced.

[Nashville Dreams]

1) NorwegianBoy/Ydrasse slot was also on every major wagon, and never on catboi. SCP was briefly on catboi, but not when it was a major wagon. They were on every other major wagon. Mena was on every non-catboi wagon, excepting the initial RVS wagon. Save the Dragons was also on every wagon, and briefly on catboi. He switched his vote around a lot. Many people were on multiple wagons. You're only singling me out because you want to push a narrative.

EE and Ydrasse are two different people. Mel wasn't attacking everyone who voted catboi.

You're getting pressure from me because you chainsawed catboi without defending him despite multiple opportunities.
StD was clearly still sheeping everyone with a pulse.

[Nashville Dreams]

like you don't have to wolfread menalque but you have to at least consider it

did you consider it somewhere this game?

Of course. That's why Mel is a weak lean town.

where

I haven't really interacted with them much I think. Just kinda there. I'm generally responding to people who post and random ideas that pop into my head. There likely isn't much in my ISO either way.

[Nashville Dreams]

I don't think that having more difficulty getting into a game that is at 167 pages after a week is necessarily scum-indicative. tictac does have a few bad posts but I think they have a few good ones as well. Why did people move off bnuuy again? Why did people move off Nashville in the first place? Why are we starting new wagons instead of consolidating?

Why is it that you've been on every single counter to catboi but for tictac?

~Titus

I'm not sure how accurate that is, but Nashville is my strongest scumread. I don't believe that was a counter to catboi. bnuuy, if anything, was a counter to Nashville, and they're also a scumread of mine. tictac definitely has nothing to do with catboi, because the main wagons were Nashville and bnuuy, so tictac would be a counter to those two. I don't scumread tictac. I do scumread the two previous wagons, whom tictac seems to be a counter to. Although really, a lot of it is the same people voting, I think, so you can hardly call that a counter either.

For instance, here. Butter gets into a semantic argument over the definition of counterwagon rather than defend catboi.

Your answer is semantic rather useful. Your response to my allegation is to claim 1) my question isn't valid because you scumread me. I think we can all see the problem with that. 2) it nitpicks the substance rather than gets at the substance.

A counterwagon is a wagon that exists at the same time as another.

Catboi and Monkey were counters early. You were on Monkey.
Catboi and I were counters. You were on me.
Arguably you weren't on Wallflower, but you were on Monkey at the time.
Bnuuy started at 3631, while catboi was still there. The wagon on me was dying and you jumped.

Even if you disagree with the semantics of "counterwagon", you still are fine or have been fine with every single major wagon this game but for catboi and tictac.

What gives?

I actually didn't fully absorb who I was replying to, hence the "Nashville" instead of "you". My first sentence was part of the explanation for why I was on that wagon, not why your question was invalid. I already answered the substance of your question. The wagons that I've joined are on people who I scumread. The wagons that I haven't joined are on people who I don't scumread. I haven't particularly followed who is a counter wagon to whom due to the infrequent votecounts. I'm also much less inclined to join a wagon led by someone I scumread. Part of the reason I joined the original bnuuy wagon (if I'm remembering correctly) is that it was led by people I townread. Despite Flavor Leaf's insistence that the whole game has revolved around catboi, I don't think that's terribly accurate.

More words saying nothing about why catboi is not worth voting and covienently scumreading every counter.

[Nashville Dreams]

sorry if you're telling the truth but it just sounds like you're lying to me @ ND

This is why I get frustrated as town. No one knows a good voting case when it bites them in the ass.

I need a nap.

[Nashville Dreams]

I already went over this and it doesn't follow. Norwegian hadn't posted about you for about 300 posts.

The wagon died in less than 50 posts probably less than 20 after he left, not our return.

[Nashville Dreams]

Flavor/Nero, Do you find it odd that the three people I called out the most yesterday all decided to vote me?

[Nashville Dreams]

Who? I was already scum reading Butter.

Butter Meg Enchant.

Meg was my favorite lim.
Butter I called out the voting pattern and chainsaw.
Enchant I called out the refusal to vote.

[Nashville Dreams]

votecount 1.18

Nashville Dreams (7) | Ydrasse, butterchurn, Well Done, catboi, Cat Scratch Fever, cassowary, Save The Dragons

bnuuy (4) | mastina, Klick, Menalque, SCP 682

catboi (3) | MonkeyMan576, Wallflower, Flavor Leaf

Cat Scratch Fever (1) | Nashville Dreams
MonkeyMan576 (1) | bnuuy
Save The Dragons (1) | The Keeper
Well Done (1) | Sword of Ducks
Enchant (1) | tictac
mastina (1) | Toogeloo

Not Voting | Enchant, MegAzumarill, MalcolmTucker

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

votecount 1.19

bnuuy (7) | mastina, Klick, Menalque, SCP 682, Save The Dragons, Ydrasse, cassowary

Nashville Dreams (4) | butterchurn, Well Done, catboi, Cat Scratch Fever

catboi (3) | MonkeyMan576, Wallflower, Flavor Leaf

Cat Scratch Fever (1) | Nashville Dreams
MonkeyMan576 (1) | bnuuy
Save The Dragons (1) | The Keeper
Well Done (1) | Sword of Ducks
Enchant (1) | tictac
mastina (1) | Toogeloo

Not Voting | Enchant, MegAzumarill, MalcolmTucker

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

These are the posts where my wagon disintegrated D1. I included all posts made by the hydra or me. A whopping 0.

The wagon disintegrated because EE subbed out.

[Nashville Dreams]

I'm just saying the parity cop could be useful by conftowning players.

Agreed. I'd want a butter Meg chain eventually but I wouldn't mind me/butter or me/Flavor.

[Nashville Dreams]

Who? I was already scum reading Butter.

Butter Meg Enchant.

Meg was my favorite lim.
Butter I called out the voting pattern and chainsaw.
Enchant I called out the refusal to vote.

Meg also had you as a top scumread here well before you had Meg as your "favorite lim". In fact, yesterday, you talked about how Meg was likely limbait that was being taken advantage of by scum in posts like 3100, 3101, 3102, 3165. Once again, your statements are provably false.

The posts you're quoting were all Mala. You can tell by how players are referenced changes as well as grammar.

Second, the votes could reset overnight based on flips but all three of you not resetting in the face of obvious evidence and you lying about how things turned out is shit.

[Nashville Dreams]

Has no merit. I'm obv town, people just dont want me to be town.

I just feel this has to be scum not wanting us to unite on CSF/Dunn.

[Nashville Dreams]

not quite that but it’s a pedantic difference

i check for matching win conditions

Did you mention this earlier because I think this may clear FL from being mafia which is a huge deal

Or maybe it'sa malefactor clear idfk depends on wording actually

First townie thing you've said in awhile.

[Nashville Dreams]

I am checking the parity cop thing.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

It's pretty clear that Hirsute does not interact and it's curious why Ydrasse automatically assumed that it would.

I had the same assumption. So I want to verify. No harm in it.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

@Nero Maybe you're not town.

No, he's definetly in his townrange.

[Nashville Dreams]

don't put my scum game down like that.

ok you are in your scum range then

scumbutt

[Nashville Dreams]

cute another wagon to save scum-dunn & scum-csf

[Nashville Dreams]

Whats scummy about enchant, Klick?
As long as I am alive, there is 0 chance anyone will miseliminate Enchant btw

Enchant is likely to flip scum because many slots are likely to be town and Enchant is not one of them
I'm not getting the vote I would like so I'm rather happy with compromising on Enchant

If you want me to provide content that Enchant has posted that is scummy, I don't have it
I'd love to see content that Enchant has posted that is towny, if you have it

Can I see your reads list?

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

I somehow clicked the section on vanilla cops not working on werewolves. That's bullshit.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

Yeah so is Gunsmith but multiple players have claimed it doesn't work against werewolves. What makes vanilla cop different?

in flavor, SKs use knives thus they get negative from a GS. Perhaps the mod has wolf flavored as using their

CLAWS

and they are basically a faction of SKs?

Not for vanilla cops.

Vanilla just determines PR or not. Faction be damned. Period.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

Yeah so is Gunsmith but multiple players have claimed it doesn't work against werewolves. What makes vanilla cop different?

in flavor, SKs use knives thus they get negative from a GS. Perhaps the mod has wolf flavored as using their

CLAWS

and they are basically a faction of SKs?

Not for vanilla cops.

Vanilla just determines PR or not. Faction be damned. Period.

~Titus

oh no, this was about this gunsmiths saying that they don't get gun from wolf. not vanilla cop. There's a chance the Dunn is legit not understanding his role b/c info is scarce but I think he's just trying to bullshit us.

Same. Can be resolved by a PM to the mod.

[Nashville Dreams]

VOTE: MalcomTucker

[Nashville Dreams]

Have you ever considered the possibility that you might be wrong?

I wonder if Butter ever considered that.

[Nashville Dreams]

Well, that's better than the game stagnating, at least. It's interesting to see who jumped on. If this flips town, I think it's fairly clear what the purpose of the wagon was. I've generally townread Malcolm, and am not very excited to follow some of the names who are pushing the wagon, but if there's an especially convincing case that I've missed I could be convinced to join.

Why would you be willing to join if you're convinced (implying) that it's a wagon to save me? Why would you be willing to vote for a hypothetical town!Malcom but not a hypothetical town!Dunn?

My reason for voting MalcolmTucker is that it's decent for play and his utter lack of influence in votes.

I think the MalcolmTucker wagon is people accepting that perfect is the enemy of the good

[Nashville Dreams]

Same question applies to CSF

[Nashville Dreams]

This is also inconsistent and blatant narrative pushing from butterchurn.

We were a confirmed counterwagon to scum!catboi. My wagon came up second. Under the implication butterchurn is making, I would at a minimum be unlikely to be a wolf. Yet, he continues to persist in his argument that a counterwagon spawning up after me must be to save scum!Nashville.

This fundamentally misconstrues how wagons even form and why players react in the first place. His priniciples are inconsistent with that. If he viewed the counterwagons as a method to protect me, then he wouldn't be actively townreading all of the active posters, particularly those defending me. He'd be looking for evidence to confirm or dispel the theory.

Instead, he's looking to force a blatantly untrue narrative.

Town just recognizes town. Sorry butter. Try another miselimination.

[Nashville Dreams]

So anyway, i asked mod.

1. About Parity Cop couldn't gwt answer due "I can't indirectly confirms which variant i could use"
2. Vanilla Cop receive Vanilla result from Werewolf Goon.

Same answer I got but I missed the answer because Mala picked up the PM.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

This is E minus 1

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

Pressure on him is certainly a positive thing, but I think at the very least it's worth waiting for him to come back from the prod. It seems a little sketchy for the entire wagon to happen while he isn't even in the thread to respond.

Why does this sound like you just want a replacement to prolong the day?

[Nashville Dreams]

What makes you think he's being replaced?

If he fails to come back from the prod, he would be replaced which would prolong the day. Requesting a stall benefits you if he's your partner or you push the miselimination you want. Either way, win win for you if you don't give a damn about the group or actually fabricating a read on MalcolmTucker.

[Nashville Dreams]

And by most of the wagon, I mean, literally 10 out of 11 people voting right now have no explanation for their vote

And the 1 explanation given was that the 8 people voting flavor leaf weren't all town. Wow.

Spoiler:

I don't think that it's impossible for Enchant to be scum that's just not doing anything.

I had felt like Enchant was close enough to his play in

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88987

that he was on the town but his iso isn't great and 901 could be a partner tell between bnuuy and him. His reaction to getting voted isn't great but most ppl react poorly. I wouldn't really object to a lim here as hard-to-read/unhelpful slots are a decent elimination.

Speaking of the above game, the vig got ran up d1, was blocked n1, and then wagonned by 2/5 scum. So I am seeing parallels here.

Flavor Leaf (8) | Klick, tictac, Dunnstral, cassowary, mastina, MalcolmTucker, Menalque, MonkeyMan576

Even if FL was scum that's masquerading as a vig the wagon on him isn't all town. I mean obviously, it isn't a 1:1 comparison b/c there is a "guilty" on him.

Still think Mastina is scum that's talking out of both sides of her mouth and she's being unproductive with her vote. We prob should have just voted there today instead of worrying about if she's really a beloved princess b/c if she's scum I highly doubt she is and she's fakeclaiming a role we won't really want to lim.

Still feel like Dunn's "if FL was town he'd do X" is scum and besides FL all of his scum reads being ppl that are voting him is gross. Not impossible I'm being manipulated onto his wagon.

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

Pretty munch vanity wagons are a vote for a no elimination at this point. This is not townie.

A vote for a no lim would be better than a vote for town that is very obviously town.

VOTE: Malcolm Tucker

VOTE: malcolmtucker

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

VOTE: MalcomTucker

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

Going to the Rockies/Royals game and may not be able to vote later in the day.

VOTE: Malcom

VOTE: malcomtucker

perfect is the enemy of the good

oh damn
u speaking 2 my soul there

VOTE: malcom

L-2

well then, let's see where this gets us

UNVOTE: Menalque

VOTE: MacolmTucker

VOTE: Malcolm

This is technically correct but misleading. Most people likely explained why they were scumreading MalcolmTucker in the thread already. We've had long scenarios where perfect was the enemy of good as well, so we were willing to compromise. Furthermore, scum likely wanted to be on a fast moving wagon because they likely wanted to be seen voting their partner. This explains butterchurn shifting and setting up to vote his "townread". If that's the scum voting MalcolmTucker, I'm ok with that.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

In fact, let's go through every reason person on the wagon had in their ISO re: MalcolmTucker. To see if my theory holds.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

As for Malcolm

Going from no votes to eliminated with 11 votes in 8 hours
Without getting a chance to post
Without a claim
And without most of the wagon

explaining why they are voting for Malcolm

Regardless of what Malcolm flips here, this wagon was obviously sketchy

I'm town but don't blame people for wagoning me, my contributions have been useless and I'd probably make a decent compromise.

All I'll say is you should get some very, very interesting stuff from my elimination should it come to pass.

You've been hammered. Can you at least give final reads, even if reasonless?

[Nashville Dreams]

Reasons ppl were voting MalcolmTucker

Nero - I don't think I need citations here.
mastina- 7137
StD- 7020
Klick- 7389 but arguably could be worrying given other spots in his ISO
Nashville- 6524
Monkey- Fair for reasonless using Control F.
SCP- 6066
Ydrasse-Clearly passive voter sheeping viable wagons
Tictac-1769 arguably weak here given the sparseness of the iso, but has agreement Malcolm elim and conflict with in a few places
Sword- 660 Very early SR, hardly no mentions later
Enchant- Known hammerer

[Nashville Dreams]

VOTE: NeroCain

Bit of a gut read but why not.

Lmao.

Technically a vote, but on a vanity wagon that has no shot and Malcom gives no reason.

~Titus

You are claiming that you voted Malcolm due to this?

Partially, yes. I don't like slots that don't vote major wagons. I just went through to grab the latest comments that people said rather than through entire ISOs.

[Nashville Dreams]

@Monkey, Can you explain the reads on Well Done, MalcolmTucker and SwordsofDucks?

Well Done - active an engaged, agree with their posts for the most part.

MalcomTrucker - Not really active, but their posts seem like they are trying to sort a little.

SwordofDucks - low content posting.

What do you specifically agree with Well Done on?
Where is Malcolm trying to sort?
If SoD's "low content posting" was a problem, why didn't you support my push prior to being FoSed?

Mala and I need to talk on Mastina. (Hmu discord.) I don't believe mastina's claim

but I believe she's town

. No, I will not say how that works.

I can see the reasoning behind a Meg wagon and would support it.

@Malcom, my issue isn't where your vote was, but the fact you didn't even FoS Sword until you were run up. You left me pushing alone without acknowledging me or my push.

I'll look at the rest momentarily.

CSF reads as town to me, and I'm generally agreeing with pretty much everything Butterchurn is posting.

Saving this for the future to see why MT feels CSF is town.

I feel differenty.

butterchurn - Moderate scum
Nashville Dreams (Titus & Malakittens) - Moony Town
Cat Scratch Fever - Was lean town but fell down, likely not fault of their own. Memory issue here
Save The Dragons - Strong Town Lean
Toogeloo momo - Strong Town Lean
Sword of Ducks - I personally feel scum. Gamestate town.
cassowary - Who?
Nero Cain Wallflower - Prob town
SCP 682 Tracer Bullet - Second biggest TR
The Keeper - Frustrating as hell
Dunnstral Well Done (Dunnstral & Lukewarm) - Punting but I don't like their repeating of things I already answered but this again could be gamestate.
MegAzumarill - Almost certainly scum.
catboi - Needs to flip soon.
MalcolmTucker - Viggable.
bnuuy - Goal to sort tmo.
tictac - Likely scum with butter and possibly catboi.
MonkeyMan576 - When I start to feel town here, they say something icky.
Klick - Need to see more than punish FL.
Enchant - Should be vigged.
mastina - Can't explain without being antitown. Lean town.
Flavor Leaf - Biggest TR
Menalque - Lean town, minor VCA problem.
Ydrasse NorwegianboyEE - Didn't like EE push on me but Ydrasse towned up the slot. Plus wagon reactions suggest Ydrasse town.

Also - Monkey raised this possibility briefly but is there a chance SCP/Flavor can be a team together here?

No. This just plummeted you in my reads. FL and SCP do not fight for control of the thread to that extent if teamed.

Also, I still feel Meg should be the elimination, but I'm not about to turn this into yesterday again. I don't have a TR on CSF.

VOTE: CSF

From when I read CSF's ISO the other day I agree with Mastina that they seem townie. Not been fully up to scratch on the game but I keep seeing suggestions to vote CSF without a proper case.

this seems like a copout :upsidedown:

Malcolm's voting no one.

[Nashville Dreams]

Mastina does not give a reason there
Your own reason is very shaky and I barely believe you were actually thinking about that. Looks like retroactive justification to me.

Quoting 1769 and 660 is basically meaningless

Here it looks like you're seeking to deny people had reasons for voting Malcolm. It's not a reasonless wagon. There was only one person I saw that went from a TR to voting.

[Nashville Dreams]

butterchurn

Nashville Dreams (Titus & Malakittens)

Cat Scratch Fever

Save The Dragons
Sword of Ducks

cassowary

Nero Cain

SCP 682

The Keeper

Dunnstral

MegAzumarill

MalcolmTucker

bnuuy
tictac

MonkeyMan576
Klick

Enchant
mastina

Flavor Leaf

Menalque

Ydrasse

Best solve I can estimate at the moment.
Tictac and mastina wouldn't be aligned with FL, leaving Nero/Keeper/bnuuy/Enchant as possible Mafia.

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

This is the closest I come to a problem and he's not a good elimination.

[Nashville Dreams]

*they're not a good elimination.

[Nashville Dreams]

This is part of the reason I suspect you Dunn. You act as if you totally forgot how I play and selectively read posts. Anyone who knows me knows that I am down to vote or vig anyone who refuses to vote a major wagon. I'm too lazy to find even where I explained that in my ISO. Your slot ignored me responding to a question about how I analyzed wagons and you should have known that answer from years of playing with me.

Here, it feels like you're trying to create a narrative rather than look at people's history. Naked votes hardly equal reasonless ones unless in RVS and sometimes not even then.

[Nashville Dreams]

If I'm not to be eliminated immediately, give me a bit of time and I'll try to assess the wagon on me.

I find it odd MalcolmTucker places a contigency on him giving reads that he's not eliminated. He bails after I tell him he's hammered. No claim no nothing.

[Nashville Dreams]

Is their post 7181 not different from what is said in 7186 and 7188?

I asked a different question
I didn't ask anything about parity cop
so idk about nashville but it makes sense I got a different answer than enchant did

The answers aren't differeny. Bnuuy's is just more detailed.

Everyone says Vanilla cop can get Vanilla on Werewolf Goon or whatever it is.

The difference is Cephrir told Bnuuy that a Vanilla Seer could exist.

[Nashville Dreams]

Butterchurn being malefactor explains a lot.

[Nashville Dreams]

Yeah unless he killed his own teammate which wouldn't be above him but probably not.

Why are we assuming FL killed mastina and not butterchurn? Either way points to town FL...

Then again, it could be wolves shot mastina, mafia shot butterchurn.

[Nashville Dreams]

Butter being malefactor is surprising to me bc I really wanted to trust him, but I guess maybe makes sense in retrospect? I guess I also gotta reconsider.

Mastina being scum isn't that surprising tho.

It makes sense he wanted anyone but catboi (protecting scum) and tunneled on me (obvtown).

[Nashville Dreams]

Yeah unless he killed his own teammate which wouldn't be above him but probably not.

Why are we assuming FL killed mastina and not butterchurn? Either way points to town FL...

Then again, it could be wolves shot mastina, mafia shot butterchurn.

Only because FL said he intended to kill mastina ahead of time.

Makes sense.

[Nashville Dreams]

Mastina has been "busy" though maybe she forgot.

Don't ever doubt RL.

[Nashville Dreams]

I'm just a skeptical dude especially when it comes to scum.

Understandable but deliberately vla to avoid being caught is cheating and mastina would never do that.

[Nashville Dreams]

VOTE: Dunn

Let's go here.

[Nashville Dreams]

I'm not saying she was deliberately VLA I'm just saying she was pretty blatantly not town based on her interactions.

My bad. Misunderstood.

[Nashville Dreams]

Either CSF or Dunn is fine.

[Nashville Dreams]

Given mastina's reaction to the wagon on Malcolm. I'd suppose that there's little to no more mafia on Malcolm. CSF Dunn and tictac all have higher mafia possibilities.

Unlikely but Flavor could be maf.

[Nashville Dreams]

re:Enchant.

Enchant plays this way as both alignments in my opinion.

viewtopic.php?t=89363&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

Here is his iso from our most recent game (town!me and town!dunn and scum!mala were all in there with town!enchant) - and he was the first person that we killed.

And like, we killed him for similar reasons to what I am seeing from SPC

Enchant does not do absolutely nothing when they are town. This is how they play as scum.

And I agreed, and pushed enchant by comparing him to a scum game I had seen him in. So, both heads of this hydra just walked out of a game where we both lead the miselim on him.

Enchant is unreadable lmao

Lim Dunn

[Nashville Dreams]

Cool. That means we should probably go elsewhere and make him a wolves problem.

[Nashville Dreams]

Sorry for misgender.

Can I get a Dunnstral vote?

[Nashville Dreams]

I'll come out clean i suggested to FL to shoot outside of mastina bc i was paranoid of maf doc but this confirms that there is no maf doc

Who were your other options?

[Nashville Dreams]

If I was feeling better I'd do the possibilities.

[Nashville Dreams]

This is why I was saying it's good not to have too many wagons before.

Can lead to non-town kills.

I think we had enough. More the merrier I say but as long as there's enough (barring a guilty), I am fine.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

While hunting one faction is great, let's look at scummy slots and then see if they can be either faction unless eliminated as one or the other.

[Nashville Dreams]

He's not my first choice but scum aren't likely to kill him and we probably need to policy elim him at some point. He definately could be scum anyway.

VOTE: sword of ducks

[Nashville Dreams]

i'd be happy to vote MM

i had a feeling mastina was scum

kjust a vibe, but my partner didnt agree so i backed off

[Nashville Dreams]

so i think FL is prob town -- we can confirm that he's at least not a WW

from Yaddrase^

I dont think FL would vig mastina for scum credit

[Nashville Dreams]

Town >>
Nashville Dreams < Flavor Leaf < Klick <MegAzumarill < tictac < Nero Cain < Sword of Ducks

Null >>

Menalque < Save The Dragons < cassowary < SCP 682 < bnuuy < The Keeper < Menalque

Scum >>

Cat Scratch Fever < Dunnstral < MonkeyMan576

[Nashville Dreams]

oh apparently while catching up CSF is possible confirmed town via FN

So make CSF higher

Did anyone get a notification N1 tho??
Just N2

[Nashville Dreams]

Why are we talking about FNs being just one alignment?

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

My position is protect the obvtown. Don't fight. We go methodically and protect the core. Scum have to shoot the masonry and the monkery.

Mala can have the vote for now.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

so i think FL is prob town -- we can confirm that he's at least not a WW

from Yaddrase^

I dont think FL would vig mastina for scum credit

What is the significance of Ydrasse making it so I’m not a wolf?

Because now you are at least semi-confirmed that you are either town or a mafia. You cant be a WW.

We now have to sort if you are mafia that shot your partner (mastina) for scum-credit

or if you are town that shot mastina

i'm going with more you are town and thats why i'm not gonna vote for your lim anytime soon