Mafia Invictus Redux [Game Over]

[Datisi]

where is the fucking daystart pm

VOTE: vp baltar

fair warning that i am going to be extremely lazy this game but will still solve the game anyway ok cool thanks

[Datisi]

everyone who has posted so far is town, with the exception of dwlee (whose first post is nullishly scummy) and gamma (whose post i did not bother to read). please discuss.

[Datisi]

everyone who has posted so far is town, with the exception of dwlee (whose first post is nullishly scummy) and gamma (whose post i did not bother to read). please discuss.

I read Gamma's post like 4 times and I'm not sure if I actually learned anything

oh no baltar rolled scum

[Datisi]

everyone who has posted so far is town, with the exception of dwlee (whose first post is nullishly scummy) and gamma (whose post i did not bother to read). please discuss.

why is gorilla town?

the nft post is funny and my standards are low

can you tell me what is wrong with 22?

[Datisi]

good answers, but no. he did not question the fact i called him town at all.

fire can unironically be town for now.

[Datisi]

Datisi, I did notice, but I didn't take your town read as actually serious. There is a difference. Unless you're saying it was serious. Feel free to clarify

since when has that stopped you from paranoiaing?

it was half serious. the question towards gamma showed the tiniest amount of solving intent. i am not kidding myself into thinking that that is a statistically significant reason to think you're town.

[Datisi]

Why do you think I'd put stock in a tell of yours that I explicitly called out before? Isn't it essentially invalid now that you're aware?

don't see why it should be, not like i suddenly got better at reading you or faking paranoia.

[Datisi]

i don't see why "i know that baltar is aware that me loltownreading him is a scumtell of mine" and "i do not know how to convincingly paranoia on baltar, AND i have a hard time townreading him correctly in the early game" can't both be true?

also, bell, what do you mean you've seen enough of me in my last game, i was barely posting in spring fling

[Datisi]

love the sig, RnR

[Datisi]

Dear friend, to break this law would bring
Untimely doom upon our heads. We must

am i bad at english or is this line missing a beat?

also, i do have a response to 51, let me know if it's of interest to someone after dunn responds.

[Datisi]

@Datisi, what reply did you have?

i get wagoned early in the game literally all the time now. i'm awkward at the start of the game because i never know what to do.

i didn't have a response to the votes because nothing good comes from responding to them. why are they voting me? because i'm awkward. no shit. getting into an argument about it now would just make me look desperate, and thus, even more awkward. just play the game normally, they'll either see the error of their ways or they're going to have to justify their vote on me once i have actual content out.

do you think me ignoring the votes on me is scummy? why?

[Datisi]

@fey, i'll be providing content at my own pace, irregardless of if they're voting me or not. why is the onus on me to have to interact with the naked votes on me rather than on them to give me something to actually respond to within their votes?

@baltar, it has happened a few times. it's past 1am and i'm done studying for the night so i'm heading to bed, i can go over my games tomorrow morning to find examples. it does more often happen when i'm scum, though i think not exclusively.

i imagine you very timid as scum

lol.

[Datisi]

welp, i was kinda looking forward to there being only 6 pages, but i see most of them are wallposts... why are y'all taking this post restriction so seriously

oh yeah, the pentameter keeps distracting me because i keep reading the lines with beats in mind without actually thinking about the content of them

I actually like Fey for bandwagoning to Datisi, but don't really have any opinion on the other votes or anyone else rlly

why is her vote different than any of the others?

Attributing that reasoning to votes dropped with little to no explanation seems like a self-serving stretch.
Datisi acting as if it's surprising for people to be critical of him not engaging with the push rubs me the wrong way too.

i can sense when i am being off beat. i was being off beat in the early game. and it's not like there has been any other content that people could be voting me for.

i didn't say it was surprising. where did you get that idea?

i thought i remembered a game where he kept doubting his reads and going back and forth on them

this does sound like my towngame. the funny thing about being scum though is that i don't actually have to form reads.

i actually do think ur scum, and i actually do have reasons

i'm dying to know.

it does more often happen when i'm scum, though i think not exclusively.

This was my impression, which....

...yes, i know what it looks like. the most recent example of people jumping onto my ass early was in that large game where i was scum, so like, yeah not a good look.

okay i just went through my most recent games and the only towngame i can find where a wagon was built on me very early was that bunnies game, where it was built as a meme before i even posted anything so that's no good

take two - i'm awkward early because fuck rvs. i *can* fetch examples of me being that early game as town. i have been getting wagoned early too, mostly as scum, but that has still given me experience on how to best deal with getting wagoned early.

anyway
i'm reading the conversation between fire and marci on page 4 and i'm like wow marci sure is trying to twist herself into justifying her "scumread" on me any way she can

and like ok fine you don't have the same meta read as i do thats not scummy, but... i also don't quite get it cause like... you're saying that you think he lacks confidence as town and that you think his mafia game is similar... so why is him not responding to votes more likely to come from scum than town? like whats the difference there that you expect to see?

it sounds like you're saying "you're like this as town" -> "i expect you to be like this as mafia too" -> ??? -> "so the way you acted makes you scum"

and i don't get what the missing step there is

I don't really see why it has to be

so, so, so

hard for you to understand what im seeing... but okay!

datisi being town just seems more unlikely, i think theres more benefits for scum him to ignore the votes on him.. whats so hard to understand about it???

like the eyeroll emoji here seems very over the top and unnecessary considering marci's explanations of why i'm scum are very lackluster at best

LIKE I THINK THAT BASED ON THE PERSONALITY I THINK HE HAS, I WOULD THINK HE WOULD THINK NOT REACTING TO THE VOTES WOULD BENEFIT HIM AS SCUM. I THINK THAT IT WOULD BENEFIT HIM AS SCUM BECAUSE HE SEEMS LIKE THE TYPE TO BE A SLIPPERY SNAKE, AND NOT REACTING TO THE VOTES AND NOT MAKING A BIG DEAL ABOUT IT WILL MAKE IT SEEM LIKE HES COOL WITH IT, AND NOT MAKING A BIG DEAL OF IT = LESS SPOTLIGHT = LESS DOUBTING

and i would not do this as town... because...? like if you think i as town am insecure and doubting myself, why wouldn't i respond the same way as town? like, this whole explanation goes from how you've seen me as town, making conclusions about my personality, then attributing those conclusions to my scumgame as opposed to my towngame for ??? reasons

i thought it looked a bit like he could be subtly trying to buddy fireisredsir by placing his vote on the same person that they did.

this is a joke, right.

[Datisi]

VOTE: marcistar

bell - scummy because he doesn't feel like he actually wants to be here
dunn - can be slight town for 50, feels nuanced *enough*
dwlee99 - lack of presence and the quickness of 118 is town.
enchant - dead null.
fey - i think slightly scummy because the convo with me felt more like posting for posting's sake but i am not married to this read
fireisredsir - town.
gammagooey - like both of the votes they've made. don't think they're trying to give off an impression that their posts are more useful than they are. slight town.
gorilla - townie for 92.
kovu - slightly townie for 81 because i don't expect scum!them to enter like that but we'll see how this progresses.
lady lambdadelta - null.
lavarmanos - slightly scummy maybe? my eyes are glazing over reading these posts. idk jury's still out.
lukewarm - mostly doesn't make my stomach turn so can be town for now. 101 is slightly sus but otherwise all ok.
marcistar - lol scum
meuh - 63 felt too tryhardy, the points on me in 79 feel off, and the "haha i am glad to be town!! and solving!!" is forced
rhyme and reason - 120 feels kinda townie idk why call it vibes. i wanna see mena freak out that i'm townreading his slot for nonsense ok.
sircakez - slightly SLIGHTLY townie for 13 because i like the tone but it's like. 0,01% more townie than random.
takotsubo syndrome - i feel like voting someone then plain unvoting because hurr durr reaction test is not very likely to come from scum? like scum would have some sorta bigger trajectory there. can be town for now.
val89 - my eyes glazed over 131 so into the scumbin you go
vp baltar - deadass no clue what to think here, ask me later

town (from towniest to least townie): fire, dwlee99, luke, gamma, gorilla, takotsubo, rnr, kovu, dunn, sircakez
void (no order): enchant, ladyld, vpb
scum (from scummiest to least scummy): marci, bell, meuh, val89, fey, lavar

cheers

[Datisi]

VOTE: marcistar

bell - scummy because he doesn't feel like he actually wants to be here
dunn - can be slight town for 50, feels nuanced *enough*
dwlee99 - lack of presence and the quickness of 118 is town.
enchant - dead null.
fey - i think slightly scummy because the convo with me felt more like posting for posting's sake but i am not married to this read
fireisredsir - town.
gammagooey - like both of the votes they've made. don't think they're trying to give off an impression that their posts are more useful than they are. slight town.
gorilla - townie for 92.
kovu - slightly townie for 81 because i don't expect scum!them to enter like that but we'll see how this progresses.
lady lambdadelta - null.
lavarmanos - slightly scummy maybe? my eyes are glazing over reading these posts. idk jury's still out.
lukewarm - mostly doesn't make my stomach turn so can be town for now. 101 is slightly sus but otherwise all ok.
marcistar - lol scum
meuh - 63 felt too tryhardy, the points on me in 79 feel off, and the "haha i am glad to be town!! and solving!!" is forced
rhyme and reason - 120 feels kinda townie idk why call it vibes. i wanna see mena freak out that i'm townreading his slot for nonsense ok.
sircakez - slightly SLIGHTLY townie for 13 because i like the tone but it's like. 0,01% more townie than random.
takotsubo syndrome - i feel like voting someone then plain unvoting because hurr durr reaction test is not very likely to come from scum? like scum would have some sorta bigger trajectory there. can be town for now.
val89 - my eyes glazed over 131 so into the scumbin you go
vp baltar - deadass no clue what to think here, ask me later

town (from towniest to least townie): fire, dwlee99, luke, gamma, gorilla, takotsubo, rnr, kovu, dunn, sircakez
void (no order): enchant, ladyld, vpb
scum (from scummiest to least scummy): marci, bell, meuh, val89, fey, lavar

cheers

[Datisi]

What exactly is it you mean by your eyes glazing over, with respect to both myself and lavarmanos?

exactly what i said. if i feel like i'm reading your post and i am reading too many words that don't seem directly related to solving the game and are instead looking like they're filler, that's bad.

[Datisi]

yes. i was looking at his posts and the thought i was having was "get to the point already".

i know you're going to ask about it again so

- "but don't really have any opinion on the other votes or anyone else rlly"
- "I mean, if you're town, I don't want to discourage you from solving. But it doesn't feel natural to me at least."
- "I was put off by you immediately talking about which posts pinged you town/scum. And the tone you used really felt a bit odd because your reasoning seemed to consist of short, vague bursts of words. For example, "hints at actual scum hunting", "pretty solid vibes", ...
Those phrases had the effect of feeling not-genuine to me."

^^ the entirety of this last quote could be expressed in much less words. too much padding.

- "I don't see why early bandwagon votes are that bad, but I do think it still is generally thought of as "scummy"."
- "Tako genuinely could be scum though. I can agree that the content is not great there."

what i mean by "aren't directly related to solving the game" is that the idea that the person wants to express can be expressed in 10 words but they use 100 words to express it. it comes across as a fake attempt to boost their word-count while not adding content to the word count. if i get bored by reading the posts, it's usually a sign this is happening.

[Datisi]

Sorry, but I disagree entirely. None of the examples given there are overly wordy or superfluous to my eyes, and not a single one comes close to using 100 words to express what could in 10, not least because none of lavermanos' posts contain 100 words. I can understand your criticism of me for being wordy, although I think anyone who has played with me previously will know that is NAI, but something still seems off with that justification being applied to lavermanos, particularly with the examples given. It smells of post-justification to me.

okay. i'm aware some people type like that, which is why i'm not putting that much stock into reads based on that feeling. but as it stands. if i get bored reading your posts, i'll see that as a red flag because i don't easily get bored playing mafia. i got bored reading your and lavar's posts. (i'm reading you as more likely scum than him because i was sensing more of you trying to justify your vote on me, while lavar's problem was just that the posts were boring, but you both have that trait currently.)

You said previously that the votes on you were because of an awkwardness that results in your being wagon early on the regular. I suggested that I would try and find the time check the veracity of that statement, and then (and only then, not when you first said it), did dunnstral say that wasn't their experience, and your next post is an acknowledgement that I wont find a good example of you being wagoned early as town. Why do you think it happened to town you early in this game, then?

being in the wrong place at the wrong time. people naturally look for something to jump onto at the very start of the game. i was there, i made a few odd posts, people jumped onto it because they thought i was scummy or because they thought the pressure would make me more readable. in a different game that i can remember where i was awkward early (a pick your power game that schadd modded a few months ago), i started being awkward once there was other content in the game so people weren't immediately drawn to me because there was other stuff to look at.

also idk what dunn is talking about since i don't remember him playing with town!me in years, and i was awkward early in a game where we were sucmbuddies together, but. maybe i'm forgetting a game he played with me.

You have scumreads/leans on some of the members of your wagon, but correct me if I am wrong, but in each case those reads are unrelated to voting you, correct?

yes. my reads may have stemmed from the way they interacted with me (as it did with fey), but i don't find voting or not voting me to be alignment indicative.

[Datisi]

hes not really trying to make me see the light of things

you mean like when i asked you to explain how did you come around to something being definitely a scum thing for me based on nothing but your speculations about my personality? or like when i asked whether you are actually genuinely serious on scumreading me for voting a person fire also voted? when i tried to engage with you on why you were dismissing other people sarcastically when your points weren't clear? and you didn't bother to respond to any of that and instead went straight to attacking my reads? none of that happened?

[Datisi]

i had to count 19 people on my list to make sure i wasn't forgetting anyone

also i didn't wanna make you feel left out >.>

[Datisi]

and like ok fine you don't have the same meta read as i do thats not scummy, but... i also don't quite get it cause like... you're saying that you think he lacks confidence as town and that you think his mafia game is similar... so why is him not responding to votes more likely to come from scum than town? like whats the difference there that you expect to see?

it sounds like you're saying "you're like this as town" -> "i expect you to be like this as mafia too" -> ??? -> "so the way you acted makes you scum"

and i don't get what the missing step there is

I don't really see why it has to be

so, so, so

hard for you to understand what im seeing... but okay!

datisi being town just seems more unlikely, i think theres more benefits for scum him to ignore the votes on him.. whats so hard to understand about it???

^^ dismissing fire for not understanding a point you did not explain well, at best

i'm not inviting, no. but i said what i find to be scummy posts from you and it's on you to try to change my view. i don't plan on begging you to explain yourself to me because i don't think you're approaching me in good faith at all.

"why arent you trying to point out proof of why i have to be wrong instead?" your reasons for scumreading me are (1) i voted someone fire voted and (2) weird speculation about my personality. i have no way to respond to (1) because that's not why i voted vpb but i'm obviously going to say that. and there are a shit-ton of other reasons why someone would vote someone in rvs to the point i don't believe that to actually be a genuine read from you. and (2), i asked you why you came to the conclusions you did about my personality and translated it into a scumread? you ignored it?

before you ask where:

LIKE I THINK THAT BASED ON THE PERSONALITY I THINK HE HAS, I WOULD THINK HE WOULD THINK NOT REACTING TO THE VOTES WOULD BENEFIT HIM AS SCUM. I THINK THAT IT WOULD BENEFIT HIM AS SCUM BECAUSE HE SEEMS LIKE THE TYPE TO BE A SLIPPERY SNAKE, AND NOT REACTING TO THE VOTES AND NOT MAKING A BIG DEAL ABOUT IT WILL MAKE IT SEEM LIKE HES COOL WITH IT, AND NOT MAKING A BIG DEAL OF IT = LESS SPOTLIGHT = LESS DOUBTING

and i would not do this as town... because...? like if you think i as town am insecure and doubting myself, why wouldn't i respond the same way as town? like, this whole explanation goes from how you've seen me as town, making conclusions about my personality, then attributing those conclusions to my scumgame as opposed to my towngame for ??? reasons

like, the confidence and annoyance you're showing about your reads grossly mismatch the actual confidence you should have and the quality of those reads.

[Datisi]

ALSO, the post where you criticize my reads

i think ur hating on her for her basic personality

saying i'm "hating" on someone because i said they might be scum 6 pages into a game is a little bit over the top, no?

and a lot of your points against me are "i don't agree here i don't agree there" and it's framed as if i'm scummy but why is having different reads scummy? like, the only instance where you actually explained why i might be scum for my reads is for my read on you, and i already said my problems with it so i don't feel like repeating myself but yeah

[Datisi]

historically speaking, my best / most quality readslists are the ones i shit out when the game is at <10 pages and where i spend <30 seconds thinking about each slot

why are you wasting so many of your precious posts posting one-liners

(also yes, my internet is utter shit and i double post constantly, rip my post cap this game)

[Datisi]

vague response to 213:

- you mean how saying "wow i don't know why you can't see what i see *eyeroll emoji*" is dismissive?

- because i have to specifically saying "i find this post scummy" in order for it to count because fuck context i guess. the bottom 3 quotes of you in 133 are obviously there because i was bored and not because i was pointing out what from your play is scummy.

- i love how you're casually saying how i'm trying to outyell you or whatever before responding to me, that is a very townie thing to do. but to respond to your actual points: when have you ever scumread someone for voting someone that has been voted for before? that happens all the time in rvs, wagons are supposed to build in rvs to start getting information out of people. that's why i don't believe this to be a real thought, because that sequence of events happens all the time in rvs. and it's impossible for me to understand because your thoughts on my personality make no sense (:

-

what i was trying to do, was say i don't agree and have an ACTUAL DISCUSSION with you but guess not!!

really.

Spoiler:

I do not really like datisis reads!!
i dont think fey seemed scummy, i like what she posted so far she looks like shes trying to solve
i dont think gammagooey is "slight town", i dont think the posts theyve made is really like super helpful yet.
his read on me is i think datisis like the devil rn since hes not really trying to make me see the light of things (if im wrong), and instead hes just saying its scummy. i think hes trying to shut me down because its easy and he doesnt want his haters around.. it seems like more hes trying to convince everyone else instead of trying to collaborate with me...
i also *shocker here* dont agree with meuh feeling off yet, i think she hasnt done much alignment indicative yet and i think ur hating on her for her basic personality
i dont really agree with sircakez being slightly townie either..

if anyone can convincingly explain to me how ANY of this post makes it seem like marci was looking for a discussion with me about my reads as opposed to flinging more shit at me, i'm townlocking that person for the first 2 days.

[Datisi]

VOTE: bell

for the record, marci is still my strongest scumread but i'm getting tired of this argument and i wanna start solving elsewhere

@baltar, give me your hottest take on this game, stat

[Datisi]

hottest take is probably you could be scum here.

i've done nothing but shitpost, this is colder than room temperature

(though i'm assuming you framed it like that for SHOCK VALUE because you are responding to me, which like. meh. if you wanna jam about it ig)

Second hottest (with absolute zero reasoning beyond GUT) is there's one scum in gorilla/gamma.

ik you said gut but can you articulate which posts gave you the gut

On the town side, my takes right now are that fire, Dunn and Val are all town.

why dunn

[Datisi]

I actually don't think you've been shit posting exactly. I understand you have a lot going on, so I don't even care about how much hunting you're doing. It's more your self-consciousness at your shitposting that bothers me. You brought up the "I'm being awkward thing", which I didn't even think you were being that awkward. I'm sort of concerned about you because I think town!Datisi would have seen that wagon on you was all fluff and wouldn't really even be concerned about it.

Then of course there is the fact that you brought up self meta that actually points toward you being scum. Question is, did you do that on accident? Or did you do it as town who doesn't care that it makes you look worse?

fine, but i am far from being in Serious Mode.

"I think town!Datisi would have seen that wagon on you was all fluff and wouldn't really even be concerned about it"

heh. well first of all. the only reason i brought it up was because other people (fey i think?) brought up how i'm *gasp* ignoring the wagon on me!! i'm ignoring the pressure!! if i were town, i'd be engaging with it!! so this feels like a damned if i do damned if i don't situation

and also if you think i'm ever not concerned about something then like. hi, datisi, nice to meet you.

i brought up self-meta because i did not think i was gonna get questioned on it and told to find examples. because i *know* how i feel early game as either alignment (that is, i despise the early game and often make shit up just to get out of it) and i thought saying that was gonna be enough. but then i got called on to actually cite my sources and lol.

have fun thinking about whether scum!datisi admits to having been exaggerating earlier in the game, i guess.

[Datisi]

idk. i wish i could say i am well familiar with the dynamic between two of you, but, one game i was scum, one i was the mod, and the third one i was kinda not playing up to standard due to multiple reasons so...

but im not really sure if the reason makes sense given previous reasons you've had

what are the "previous reasons" you're referring to here specifically?

[Datisi]

i dunno. when you lay it out like that, it definitely doesn't look great but i'm not sure it's that damning. i like that you noticed it, though.

[Datisi]

what does that emoji mean.

[Datisi]

i find it funny how baltar says how i might be scum yet keeps sheeping me on my every vote

curious

[Datisi]

v/la 24ish hours

[Datisi]

i am alive?

i realized i'm not gonna get anywhere if i make myself have to catch up on the game before i start posting because catching up is boring. so here's the thing.

i had a dream that rnr and baltar were in the scumchat together. while that is obviously not a reason to suspect someone, something about baltar's convo with fire on page 21 is not giving me good vibes. let's see where that goes.

VOTE: baltar

i do also have a worry about rnr, but all in due time.

oh, 524 is full of bad assumptions, but i won't exert too much attention into that right now. maybe if i don't find anything else interesting enough to talk about. we'll see.

consider this post a "here's where my vague feelings are at after 2 minutes of thinking, also i will actually engage with the game properly later today, feel free to give me questions if you'd like".

[Datisi]

@datisi - what bad assumptions is Val making?

first, he concludes in 131 that scum wouldn't be voting me this way because my wagon is not likely to actually go through. this is an assumption that the only reason scum votes someone is to try to yeet them, and that they never join lolrvs wagons. which like. if you have more than 1.5 games of experience, i don't have to explain why that's nonsense, yes?

Is there another way to read this other than "datisi is town because val voted for it?". This appears to the start of a bit of a pattern, in that there appears to a tendency to discount scum!datisi because of a dislike of those on the wagon, and to dislike those slots because...they are on the datisi wagon.

at first i skimmed over this but this is actually... horrible. he's proposing that the only reason someone would suspect people that voted for me was because they voted for me. but that's not true - people had given reasons why they found the votes on me scummy.

also, that's not even what kovu said. kovu said she thought i was okay/townie, and that me not interacting with votes is not a problem because they weren't anything to interact with (81)

Spoiler:

Datisi – I don’t get the votes here, datisi actually seems fine so far, and how he’s handling the votes seems ok too like, I honestly think it’s a little unfair of the expectations people have on Datisi compared to a lot of the others so far, like, why is it perfectly acceptable to only talk in Shakespeare, yet, datisi just exists and votes are flying there and people are all “you need to interact!!!” but like, what if the vote on Datisi comes with 0 content?? How is he supposed to interact with “vote:datisi cuz vibes” like… For multiple reasons, I town lean him for now

how does THIS paragraph turn into "datisi is town because val voted for it"?

TLDR: It wasn't quite true nobody was townreading datisi, but an awful lot of effort has been expanded shading slots on a wagon on someone who is, at the strongest read given, >rand town and 'meh', without anyone really sticking their neck out to defend datisi. I won't be shocked at all to see that flip scum and my vote is staying there for now.

how does this conclusion follow from those premises?

"awful lot of effort has been expanded shading those voting him" BY WHOM? dwlee and maybe gorilla? if an awful lot of effort was expanded shading those who were voting me, why didn't val quote it? most of the quotes in this post are of people saying they don't want to murder me. that's not the same as shading the people voting me.

why can't those people that are defending me by shading the wagon (lol) be town? why can't they be scum white-knighting me?

this post is a textbook example of someone choosing a conclusion then trying to attach the thread events to fit that conclusion. except in this case it's done very poorly.

[Datisi]

i was gonna vote cakez because i hate the jump on baltar's wagon right after i did, but

VOTE: val

i changed my mind i wanna try this

[Datisi]

Oh hey now I'm catching votes with no legitimate reasoning. Told yall I kicked the hornets nest.

love the metaphor though i am interested in how it follows through on who's scum and who's not, in your opinion

[Datisi]

I would say you have a reputation as being good town and would not be an easy misyeet

that is true.

was that actually said in this game prior to 131? because if not, i do have to wonder how val knows that...

[Datisi]

anyone notice how val ignored all of my explaining what with his posts is scummy and just went for a cheap mudfling? no? just me? alright

On a separate note, did I get your read on gorilla already?

you didn't. town if i had to make a call, but literally no reasoning other than "idk lol gut".

[Datisi]

To save the posts for you of asking/questioning, etc, I'm Ydrasse.

now that you've outed - this was my reasoning for suspecting fey. i figured it was ydrasse but her questioning of me felt very boring an unexcited. which is very much not how excited-town!ydrasse plays and instead feels like she's trying to appear solvy in a game she does not want to be playing.

[Datisi]

Also it's weird to frame this as... an excitement thing, like. What. That doesn't make sense that you have to qualify it as excited = town or whatever you're doing here.

the most recent game i played with you is the one i'm using to read your emotional state as that game you linked was six months ago. you were EXTREMELY excited to play town in spring fling and i know you dislike playing wolf.

your argument with me early game felt like you were grasping at something to use to appear as if you're solving when you didn't feel like playing.

[Datisi]

As a sidenote, I disagree with your Dunn townread - I think I've seen like 3 people say they townread him and to me he looks the same as he did in the last game I was in where he was scum (Slaughter Hour), and I don't remember him being different in World of Tomorrow where we were both scum with him either (though my memory of that game isn't great tbf and I checked out a bit after I died). Like I haven't seen him as town in ages and it's still early game, but his vibe still seems like *he exists a little bit but never sticks his neck out and makes a big deal of anything relevant*.

I'll try to give this a read later. Most times I have seen Dunn scum, he hasn't seemed very comfortable or proactive D1, which is the vibe I'm getting this game. Admittedly, it's a very weak reason to meta read someone. Definitely not a lock read for me, but I had recently written that in my notes when datisi asked for takes, so I figured I should just disclose to give us something outside bell/marci/datisi to talk about generally.

To save the posts for you of asking/questioning, etc, I'm Ydrasse.

now that you've outed - this was my reasoning for suspecting fey. i figured it was ydrasse but her questioning of me felt very boring an unexcited. which is very much not how excited-town!ydrasse plays and instead feels like she's trying to appear solvy in a game she does not want to be playing.

Funny, I had Fey in my notes as either town or deepwolf.

I kind of liked their approach to the game, even if it was space. I guess I need to look at some town ydrasse games.

oh yeah, another thing that made me wanna yeet baltar into the fucking sun.

since when do you take notes in a game that is 300 posts long.

[Datisi]

my question stands. iirc, in guardians you said town!you uses notes if you have to read a lot or if you're replacing in or whatever. 300 posts is not really A Lot.

just because you HAVE a notes pt, i don't see why town!you would be very inclined to also USE it if you don't use it usually in these circumstances.

[Datisi]

meh, alright, i'll let you live for now

[Datisi]

welp, gamma may or may not be scum but i sure am completely pocketed by them.

starting to get a vibe val may as well be town because i don't know if scum quadruples down this hard on a bad argument that everyone and their mothers is telling him is bad. also he's probably not scum with marci because i doubt scum!marci would openly tie herself to val by saying that he's making good points about me, after both of them completely ignore my points against val...?

still absolutely wouldn't mind sending him to the graveyard, though. if anything, for my motivation in this game.

will try to gather some willpower for this game today. @bell, wanna give me a case on why i should vote cakez?

[Datisi]

okay i have a shit ton to study and i don't feel like doing it so it's gaming time

(also this is a note that i will be phoneposting only tomorrow because my schedule is utter ass but also not like i'm spending too much effort in this game)

i like gorilla's 397. the answer is gut do not ask me to elaborate.

ok i read like a lot of pages i have nothing to say

VOTE: marci

interesting

VOTE: marci

ugh why are you so obsessed with me

obviously you dont know how to read my tone well if you think thats an over reaction :heart_cat_eyes:

thats the 2nd time he voted me and i wanna know why, whats wrong with that? (:

if you WANT an overreaction tho i can give u one..

oh dear
oh dear oh no these posts are so bad

I'll reread the kovu thing in detail in context at some point and see if it's as much of a misrep as you feel.

have you done this

616 is disturbing me because surely it cannot be that difficult for scum to come up with. i think it's not too unlikely meuh is scum trying to pump up town!val and his shit reads.

What's your current feeling on marci again?

scum
maybe more scum than val but i'm not sure
i still read both val and marci as scum individually but don't think they're buddies purely because i don't think scum!marci has the guts to publicly defend a partner the way she did

impostor looking sus

VOTE: rhyme and reason

[Datisi]

okay here's the thing

the people i do not want to murder on day one are:
bell, fire, luke, dunn, gamma, kovu, baltar, gorilla.

everyone else i could probably be talked into yeeting.

Val is probably town, I don’t think scum can synthesize the whole argument about how putting out reads is bad bc of Invictus. I disagree with it, but it’s probably genuine.

VOTE: meuh

i wanna murder in the val/marci/meuh circle. i feel like it has the highest odd of flipping a wolf somewhere in it and it would shed light on other people.

i wanna try voting meuh because i have a very very hard time believing the thing i quoted above is a real thought.

[Datisi]

scum
maybe more scum than val but i'm not sure
i still read both val and marci as scum individually but don't think they're buddies purely because i don't think scum!marci has the guts to publicly defend a partner the way she did

I was mostly curious because you said you were maybe giving townpoints to Val for quadrupling down, and I don't think thats super different from what Marci is doing.

it's not super different, but val is doing it LOUDLY, which is like, microscopically more +town than marci, but we're talking not much more townie

[Datisi]

i have a gut vibe feelsies townread on sircakez

please do not ask me to elaborate i don't know

[Datisi]

but baltar, it's because i'm the devil, why would she unvote me

VOTE: marci

[Datisi]

i have a gut vibe feelsies townread on sircakez

please do not ask me to elaborate i don't know

Yikes. This is a lot of points today where I am not agreeing with you. I don't like it

ok then fuckin yeet me? does that make me scum?

[Datisi]

are you gonna at least pretend to interact with the content i've made this game, or are you still scumreading me solely for page one (1)

[Datisi]

can we instead vote marci who weirdly dipped out the thread the second they were asked what their read on me was consisted of

[Datisi]

scum doesn't have reads

[Datisi]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: lavar

Late day surprise wagon! My favorite.

why should i vote lavar?

[Datisi]

i have zero thoughts on lavar currently and i don't feel like pretending to read his iso rn so okay

[Datisi]

oh, i just thought of a possible NEW tell for baltar! will have to wait until i have more than 3 working brain cells to check if it's actually true, but this is exciting news

[Datisi]

speaking of getting duped - mena, pls give a read on datisi when you can k thx

[Datisi]

meh

if this flips scum, probably nuke sircakez into the orbit

VOTE: lavar

y-2, we got a claim yet?

[Datisi]

I'm actually slightly concerned Cakez is TMIing in his confidence about lavartown/marciscum.

idk, i think if this were the case cakez would be setting up whose votes on lavar look shit in order to push them later

and his kinda desperation for lavar lowkey reminds me of that game i modded where he was hitler and was defending the people he thought vere his fascists

i rarely see scum actually defending scum this openly on day one but like. basically i think whatever alignment lavar flips, cakez is more likely? the same alignemtn

[Datisi]

oh wow thank you mena i was not aware of that

yeah ok townlavar/scumcakez world is a possibility

[Datisi]

(in fact if Lavar flips scum I think I might want to nuke you into orbit for this post because it seems like kind of a perfect bus post)

if you think this is how i jump onto a wagon of my buddy then i am disappointed

[Datisi]

jumping onto a wagon of my buddy whom i previously town/nullread and had no interactions with, with a practically naked vote, WHILE saying "btw if this is scum kill this other person after!!!" is such a small brain way to bus i'm disappointed in the scumtisi you imagine

[Datisi]

actually was i scumreading lavar? for boring posts? idk doesn't matter point still stands it's a shitty af bus

[Datisi]

(c) do absolutely nothing pretending that i'm busy (to be fair it wouldn't even be pretending because i'm currently procrastinating like 5 different things because i'm stupid) then once someone asks go "well if i was his partner i would've bussed obviously!!!!!!!1!1!!32"

ez money

[Datisi]

beep, gotta get this in before prism locks

@luke, i sometimes use notes pts both as scum and as town. i am not using my own for notes this game because i am playing this game on lazy mode.

my "suspicion" on baltar didn't have anything to do with the fact that i didn't use my own notes. it was because the only times i remember him using notes as town was when a game has significantly more material than this game has when he mentioned it. so it was weird that he's using notes for a short game.

granted, i knew the actual chance of me catching scum-him with something like this is very low, which is why "suspicion" is in quotes. it was a nice way to interact and possibly make him give an awkward response if he's scum, though. (before you ask, his responses were Fine, I Guess, so.)

[Datisi]

i am playing this game on lazy mode.

Tell me this is going to change soon.

not likely. maybe i'll get kicked into gear sooner if there's a spicy flip or two.

[Datisi]

goddamn, gg scums, fire had me fooled in the time i was here

kinda sad i got shot in the face n1 here. was probably? for the best because my reads, other than marci, majorly sucked, and this was ongoing at the same time as the championship AND a lot of important exams.

thank you a lot for modding prism, the flavour was excellent, and i loved my death pm. sad to see you go, but it's understandable why. if you ever mod something here again, count me as a pre-in.