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Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:28 am

In post 5901, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 5895, Datisi wrote:and i am annoyed that after about 2 ingame days, i have nothing to read s_s for either way
well be the change you wish to see in the world? what could I do to help you read me better?

i don't know

do some analysis of the flipped scum's iso? of the wagons on them? the ones they were pushing? give me a confident scumread? a poe? SOMETHING that i can look at and know what you're thinking about?

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:45 am

Spoiler: can i just sheep nero until the end of the game

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:49 am

does an s_s/shea/mena scumteam make sense? asking for a friend

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:00 am

i am literally rereading the game (and in the process getting reminded of irrel's play) but i am not making a final judgement until i get there and also all my posts have a point, even if it doesn't seem like it

what about mena is townie today?

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:08 am

tldr on your fire scumread?

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:12 am

In post 5924, GuiltyLion wrote:the vote with "I'll explain later" (aka the "2 points isn't 2 points" method) reaallyyy doesn't vibe to me like an agendapost

sorry, the what method?

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:19 am

lmfao okay, i thought it was a Hot New Mafia Term that i wasn't aware of

i did note in my mind that if irrel is scum, then he spent a decent amount of time day one loldistancing with his buddies (vpb, gamma), which like, i don't know *why* you'd do that and irrel doesn't strike me as a player who would prioritize something like that as scum

i guess? i'm fine leaving shea alone for now, especially if the majority also says so

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:25 am

In post 3114, Datisi wrote:s_s can you blease give me some scumreads or some opinions on ausuka's case on me or something idk

oh look, almost 3k posts later and nothing has changed

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:41 am

why do you care so much to change my mind

i said i'm not voting you today

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 6:04 am

In post 5904, Datisi wrote:
In post 5901, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 5895, Datisi wrote:and i am annoyed that after about 2 ingame days, i have nothing to read s_s for either way
well be the change you wish to see in the world? what could I do to help you read me better?
i don't know

do some analysis of the flipped scum's iso? of the wagons on them? the ones they were pushing? give me a confident scumread? a poe? SOMETHING that i can look at and know what you're thinking about?

s_s, i assume you've been working on at least SOME of this in the past hour and a half, correct?

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 6:08 am

lame

when can i expect the content from you? i don't want you stalling out on it

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 6:36 am

ok, i'm up to page 147 in my ~reread~, taking a break

s_s, why do you think it's not going to change my mind?

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 6:54 am

okay, then do something that is hard for you to replicate as scum? what is your strong suit?

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:18 am

In post 5947, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 5945, Datisi wrote:okay, then do something that is hard for you to replicate as scum?
*gestures at my ISO*

what about your play this game is hard for you to replicate as scum?

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:43 am

hm, i don't think i actually know your meta well enough to be able to tell if what you're saying is true or not

will likely pause on commenting on that until some of my townreads do, hopefully someone with a better idea on how to read you

who do you wanna kill rn?

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:02 am

In post 5955, Something_Smart wrote:And yes, the whole point of 3833 was for GL to say "I'll townread you the most if you vote X", and then I vote X, and then GL townreads me more.

is this sarcasm? because it feels like it

what was the point of that post?

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:20 am

In post 5961, Frogsterking wrote:
@all

Does anyone have a link to the origin of the Luca Blight tell, like did they actually explain it anywhere or did other players who played with Luca Blight create it?

a player who is purely shitposting is likely town, but a player of the same posting amount who tries to put out a Bit of content is likely scum?

i have seen luca use that a few times, but i don't know the origin

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:10 am

idk, why does that matter?

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:12 am

i'm guessing 5 but i don't actually, Know

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:13 am

In post 5988, GuiltyLion wrote:there are a few slots that are just blatant town in light of both scumflips

what slots do you consider these to be

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:21 am

In post 5997, GuiltyLion wrote:would it be weird / non-normal to have a mafia vigilante

not normal

and damn, i was hoping you had someone other than nero/ausuka/me/scamper as obvtown

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:24 am

@gl, i was hoping you'd have some sorta thoughts on 5950?

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:39 am

In post 3816, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2924, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2919, Datisi wrote:s_s, give me three of your strongest reads in either direction
gamma town dann town shea town. based on some other people's stated reads these seem to be
very
out of touch, but that's hardly surprising. (then again, I think disagreeing with Frogster makes me more likely to be in touch than out of touch.)
do you have any SRs you feel are better than random?
notably, your strongest TRs are also the main targets that have come up today I feel.

this was a post towards s_s, at the time gamma's vote was useless on shea

at this time, s_s is at 6 votes, and if s_s is town, gamma could probably easily vote him there

then skip a bit forward

In post 4225, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3880, scamper wrote:
In post 3875, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
In post 3848, T3 wrote:Something_Smart (6): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, scamper, fireisredsir, Ydrasse, humaneatingmonkey
in scamper's pov i am lurking scum who voted with him on his scumread so he should probably be unvoting now if his reads are real
r u saying i should be assuming ur scum and s_s is town?
that seems to be exactly what he's saying
I kinda get the sense he's feeling pinned by him + S_S being in the PoE
VOTE: Something_Smart
I also agree w the anti-spew bit somewhat, plus this is where there's a wagon in the last VC I saw

gamma votes s_s for lol reasons, but he votes that (1) when the wagon had completely defused (2) while at the same time shading hem and being ready to jump over if needed

maybe i am confbiased etc but idk it don't feel right

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:44 am

s_s, you haven't answered who you want to kill today

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:45 am

ig my point is that i've noticed gamma be opportunistic at multiple parts in this game, and the fact that he obviously was aware of s_s wagon but joined it way too late is just... odd

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:49 am

In post 6026, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 6022, Datisi wrote:s_s, you haven't answered who you want to kill today
If I had to pick one person probably DV?

i mean, if you have *multiple* scumreads, you are encouraged to talk about all of them

why dv?

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:53 am

In post 4314, T3 wrote:humaneatingmonkey (6): scamper, GuiltyLion, fireisredsir, Ydrasse, Thestatusquo, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (3): Nero Cain, Dannflor, DeasVail
Something_Smart (1): Frogsterking
DeasVail (1): obscure
Datisi (1): Enchant
Not voting (5): Something_Smart, marcistar, humaneatingmonkey, Ausuka, Datisi

i am slightly inclined to townread both dann and deas for the votes on gamma they did shortly prior to this votecount (i will keep reading to see what happened there, but this is the first impression)

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:55 am

In post 6028, Something_Smart wrote:I have *zero* scumreads. DV seems like the one who's gotten the most support who isn't me or Mena (now that someone readable is finally in the slot I don't want to kill him before he becomes readable, and the reaction test was +town because he's more likely to admit that he knew his slot claimed as scum).

do you have ANY reads that don't boil down to "this person has a claimed innocent on them"

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:09 am

btw, anyone counting how many votes we're on?

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:16 am

i actually found something i kinda think is townie for s_s and i wanna bang my head against the wall, fuck this game

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:35 am

am i dumb for thinking gl is townie for posting around page 215?

like, i think at that point tweet has probably said "uh oh guys i'm gonna die" in the scum pt and like, i struggle seeing scum!gl then go and write big cases on obscure

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:51 am

zzz

i don't *love* guiltylion's interactions with the gamma slot in like, total, but

maybe i'm not smart

but i feel like scum!guilty would be positioning himself better? and like, i know his usual scum m.o. is like, push bullshit distance with buddies and like, i don't get the vibe that he's done some Very Heavy Lifting to vote townies out, i don't feel like he's done well enough to protect his partners, i don't feel like he's positioned himself well

like, this kinda stuff traditionally feels "scummy" but i'm not sure i can read guiltylion "traditionally" in good faith

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:57 am

VOTE: fireisredsir

OKAY i have reskimmed d2, did it help me, it probably didn't, but whatever i DID IT

feeling more town on shea than i was before. good interactions with gamma.
feeling more town on guiltylion than i was before. uhhh... unexpected strategies from scum-him?
feeling more town on... s_s... because... posts around 4868... please don't laugh at me...
also uh frogs is Just Town i think??????

i'm far from townreading mena yet, and the fact gamma was already repped out when the obscure wagon started is not giving me info, but anyway

i kinda wanna vote fire rn because (1) i'm half sheeping ausuka's case from d2

(2) town!fire in lategame friends and enemies gave me fucking nightmares. compared to that, fire doesn't really seem like... much present or anything? and the interactions with gamma are like, lackluster and idk

i'm stopping here, my head hurts, i'll maybe be around for a q or 2, but don't expect much from me tonight anymore

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:57 am

VOTE: fireisredsir

OKAY i have reskimmed d2, did it help me, it probably didn't, but whatever i DID IT

feeling more town on shea than i was before. good interactions with gamma.
feeling more town on guiltylion than i was before. uhhh... unexpected strategies from scum-him?
feeling more town on... s_s... because... posts around 4868... please don't laugh at me...
also uh frogs is Just Town i think??????

i'm far from townreading mena yet, and the fact gamma was already repped out when the obscure wagon started is not giving me info, but anyway

i kinda wanna vote fire rn because (1) i'm half sheeping ausuka's case from d2

(2) town!fire in lategame friends and enemies gave me fucking nightmares. compared to that, fire doesn't really seem like... much present or anything? and the interactions with gamma are like, lackluster and idk

i'm stopping here, my head hurts, i'll maybe be around for a q or 2, but don't expect much from me tonight anymore

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:04 am

gypyx and ico once analyzed my games and figured out that a lack of "hot take" is scum!indicative for me, that was fun

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:07 am

In post 6074, fireisredsir wrote:we're talking about word tells?

time to go check how many times skitter said ping...

jk i actually did that early lmao

did you run my posts through a sentiment analyzer, tho

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:10 am

frogsterking is mygreatbluebedroom confirmed?!?!?!?!?!?!

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:13 am

In post 6079, GuiltyLion wrote:Has anyone looked at fireisred/gamma interactions yet?

I am going to do that at some point today (realistically probably late tonight) but I'm thinking about a fire vote myself due to lack of appealing options elsewhere currently and it feels like fire's wim has kinda gone down as the game has gone on

fire what are your overall opinions on the GammaTweet lim, like do you think that was all town and scum got caught off guard or do you think there's any scum who were angling to look good off it

i ctrl+f'ed "gamma" and "tweet" in fire's iso before, i did so again now, and there's just... not much there?

there is one vote on gamma sometime on d1 (@fireisredsir if you could recall why you were voting there, that'd be helpful), but other than that, fire>gamma interactions seem really bland

the only thing that kinda stands out to me was fire's "idk don't shoot gamma i think but idk" posting around the time we were talking about leashing vigilantes, but eh

not strong in either way, i think

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:22 am

i'm waiting for
(1) mena to do something ai
(2) s_s to give a read on him

Datisi · Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:28 am

i don't think it's clearing, no

we know vpb noticed that gamma voting eira was A Shit Move, so if you're scum i don't see a reason you don't notice that either

that said, i am kiiind of having a hard time imagining scum!vp telling scum!gamma that her vote on scum!eira is shit, so like idk?

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 1:00 am

In post 6143, GuiltyLion wrote:do you think that Menalque did know this and was bluffing/lying

what is difficult to imagine about this

i don't think it's very unlikely that either (1) scum!mena did a quick iso of the slot he replaced in, (2) scum!mena got told in the scum pt that his slot claimed vt

and lying about it is very easy to do

and considering i know you're aware of scum!mena's caliber, i am Skeptical that you somehow think this is town-indicative for him?

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 1:05 am

In post 6183, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 5770, Menalque wrote:
In post 5766, Datisi wrote:
In post 5764, Menalque wrote:datisi was the one person I thought was town anyway, sadge
why
5358 mostly then followed up in 5399

it just seems so unnecessary to me to reference something I'd said months ago as part of bussing MT
wait why does this give you a townread on datisi but you vote me when i was the one who brought it up originally

i mean i don't really think it should be a reason to townread either of us but it seems inconsistent

i was thinking about this and like

my vote put morning tweet at y-2, at the time when it was pretty much inevitable that she was going to die

in what fucking universe do i get townpoints for fluffing up my bus against her, when i only voted when it was inevitable it was happening lmfao

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 1:10 am

In post 6211, Thestatusquo wrote:Do you have much experience with Mena in particular? I wouldn't describe them as someone who is likely to shy away from a fight.

if your only exp with mena is team mafia, i really don't think that's applicable to this ga,e

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 1:15 am

VOTE: mena

maybe should put my money where my mouth is

i don't think mena was townie at all for the reaction towards scamper (tbf i don't think he was scummy either, i'm ass at reading reaction tests) but so far his play this game really REALLY screams "i don't wanna be here" and also i am HARD side eyeing guiltylion for defending him

like, the rest of y'all get a pass y'all don't know the horrors

but guiltylion knows

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:32 am

who is scum other than fire then

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:40 am

In post 6184, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 6095, Datisi wrote:i'm waiting for
(1) mena to do something ai
(2) s_s to give a read on him
I think Mena's reaction to the gambit was moderately +town (I believe I already said as much?) because he clearly expressed ignorance that his predecessor claimed. (Could be faked ignorance, but if he's scum it probably wasn't real.)

do you think you can read mena well enough to bet your (in-game) life on it

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:43 am

none, i'm trying to determine how confident your read (or ability to get a read) there is

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:47 am

ok fine - how well do you think you can read mena

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:48 am

btw, i think deas is town

we know from gamma/baltar interactions that gamma isn't shy about interacting with his partners. also, if you ctrl+f "deas" in gamma's iso, the ONLY times that shows up is when gamma is quoting someone else mentioning deas. nowhere does gamma actually talk to deas, or even talk AT deas for that matter.

the reason why i think this is town-indicative is because... well, deas has been pushing/poking at gamma continuously throughout the whole game. i think, if that were a planned s/s interaction, there would've been SOMETHING from gamma's side

(which is kinda what tsq/gamma interactions kinda look like tbh tbh but i wanna check something else first before i make further comment on that)

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:05 am

i mean i still don't know why fire is scum either

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:14 am

In post 2797, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2790, Thestatusquo wrote:Ok I actually did the thing and briefly skimmed gammas iso in white flag which is the team mafia game she is referring to.

(viewtopic.php?t=74687&f=127&st=0&sk=t&s ... er_sort=Go) for anyone wondering.

And I have to say...I find your day one play there completely different in a lot of different ways. And the most obvious one is that you DO seem invested in finding scum and flipping someone you're suspicious of. You DO seem invested in engaging with people about their reads. You DO feel like you're trying to scum hunt.

Now, its a team mafia game so everyone amps up their tryhard a little bit for those games so I don't think its like definitive or anything, but its the game YOU brought up as the one where I should remember as you playing like you're playing here as town is normal.

And its simply not. It's not remotely the same. It's not even close.
No, wrong. I specifically said TM 2021. You were in that one, though not in my game, but know FOR A FACT you were there!

zzz fuck me sideways

i had a theory that scum-gamma is incapable of showing emotion towards scumbuddies, and he was getting p angry at nero, marci, even frogster at parts

and if he hadn't displayed the same tone w shea, i think that would've been a lock

but he *did* so lol

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:15 am

In post 6252, Thestatusquo wrote:I'm never going to be the kind of guy who puts together a strong scum case.

So don't hold your breath waiting for that.

idc about scum cases, i just wanna know why you suspect fire other than "something ain't right lol"

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:41 am

In post 6269, Thestatusquo wrote:Its also incredibly funny to me that people are taking my townie reticence on MT when tons of people who had told me the slot that was town when I was pushing it were now happy to vote them, which I would never fucking have if I were scum bussing my partner, is somehow scum indicative.

I think that point is almost comically bad. But people keep saying it and eventually that makes it true in a game of mafia.

who is saying this?? and what about? the unvote of tweet when she was at y-1??

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:48 am

idk i lowkey feel like
he knew the thing was a gambit
like he seems *too* calm for a townie that just potentially got a guilty fakeclaimed on them

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:50 am

idk, to me that doesn't look like trying to save gamma

if shea is scum there, i moreso feel like those posts are annoyance that the buddy he was distancing with has to actually die now

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:55 am

In post 6277, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 6274, Datisi wrote:idk i lowkey feel like
he knew the thing was a gambit
like he seems *too* calm for a townie that just potentially got a guilty fakeclaimed on them
yeah I mean like, if he doesn't come back here and keep up appearances it's gonna quickly decay as a reason not to lim him, and if you think it's scummy then I will take that into account and not put much stock into it.

maybe I don't give him enough credit, I just think if it were me I wouldn't have thought to also pretend I wasn't aware my slot had claimed post hoc in that way

i'm not putting much stock into it as i can't read reaction tests to save my life

but i think his overall content here wasn't great (the read on me, voting fire despite fire noticing the thing he was townreading me for) and also, he still feels like he doesn't really wanna play this game (as evident by him... not being here) so like

y'know

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:59 am

In post 6309, Ausuka wrote:
In post 5900, Datisi wrote:
In post 2819, Something_Smart wrote:Bold of you to assume there's only one vig.
HMM.
:thinkign:

i was hoping that s_s would have some sorta comment on this if i just kept bringing it up, but it doesn't seem like he will

s_s, what is this post lol

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:04 am

why do i keep having the delusion that i'll be able to read the tone of your posts in response to me one way or another

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:24 am

deas buddy can i get A Readslist(tm) from you

it can be naked that's ok i just wanna see where your head is at

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:37 pm

i wish i wasn't cleared so that i could argue with people about why my play is definitely town

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:45 pm

only now, on page 265 of this game, did i realize why ari put firebringer as a "traitor", and why scumclaiming is traitor behaviour

i am very good at this game

Datisi · Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:46 pm

also i was thinking how scum s_s/mena probably WOULDN'T both townlean each other like they did here, buuuuut if one of them is a traitor? it makes more sense

oh no oh god oh fuck

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:06 am

ok do i have any thoughts
yes i do

frogsterking is more and more reminding me of that bunnies mini normal where they were town and they were very annoying in trying to get the things their way and were posting constantly and whatever the fuck. i really really don't think scum-frogster is able to match this level of... posting.

s_s voting nero is... interesting, i guess. the "if i wanted to live, why wouldn't i just be pushing menalque" *feels* like it's supposed to be wifom on mena's alignment after s_s flips red. not 100% on that but it feels like a scummy post in my bones. idk if i can explain it but i guess.

i guess i'd like s_s to tell me how sure he really is that nero is scum, and how he thinks scum-nero navigated his two flipped buddies, bc like... i currently think nero looks the best out of all associates-wise.

uh, the fact that mena still isn't here is pain and i am still intent on waiting for him to get back and do more solving. because i am still intent on saying that town!mena would show some sorta WILL TO LIVE in this game. which is why i would KINDLY tell frogster to stop asking for a hammer because as the Resident Confirmed Town: no.

also, frogster: marci was killed for mechanical reasons. we're at evens, which means that scum CANNOT let another vig shot go off. pls stop bringing up her reads as a reason for her to get killed. thanks.

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:30 am

amazing

In post 6625, Datisi wrote:s_s voting nero is... interesting, i guess. the "if i wanted to live, why wouldn't i just be pushing menalque" *feels* like it's supposed to be wifom on mena's alignment after s_s flips red. not 100% on that but it feels like a scummy post in my bones. idk if i can explain it but i guess.

i guess i'd like s_s to tell me how sure he really is that nero is scum, and how he thinks scum-nero navigated his two flipped buddies, bc like... i currently think nero looks the best out of all associates-wise.

(this is a reminder not to forget about this once you are done analyzing timestamps)

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:55 am

i am happy to announce that i have skimmed second part of scum!s_s iso in pyp and i have learned absolutely nothing

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:06 am

In post 6662, Something_Smart wrote:
so you do understand that this was a throwaway vote
made because of one thing that rubbed me the wrong way + I wanted to draw attention to his weak-ish arguments + it was the middle of the night + I was in an irritable mood from something else + L + ratio. This was not by any means an elaborate or well-constructed case, it's not a hill I want to die on,
but it's the hill I'm on right now
.

responding to bolded:
- no. my perception of you is that, when you do vote (and it's not like, 3 seconds to deadline), it is a BIG DEAL. if i am wrong on that, then lol, but that is how i see your votes when basically every game we play you make sure that everyone knows that yes, you do not vote needlessly, fuck your vca. (that's not a dig i hate vca too fuck vca)
- if it's a hill you are on right now... then i think i am still valid in asking you to say how nero's interactions w flipped scum actually make sense as s/s?

as for what the associates *are* - the first thing that comes to mind is the fact that nero was the first one to call out vpb's odd treatment of nero (as i said previously, scum either says that in the scum pt, or nowhere), and the fact that his poking at gamma is what made gamma ragequit (i feel like gamma doesn't do that if she's theatering with a buddy).

i have quoted some other posts, you can prob find them by ctrl+f'ing "spoiler:" in my iso, i can find them again a bit later because i gotta go grab my coffee i'll be back in a bit

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:55 am

In post 6684, Something_Smart wrote:I think Mena being absent is a pretty sizable red flag.

why?

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:59 am

In post 6701, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 6698, Nero Cain wrote:Would be funny if mena was team scum and SS was a traitor and SS is trying to goad me into voting him instead of mena
If I were a traitor and Mena were main faction I would absolutely be bussing him

traitor!s_s + scum!nero

game solved

i am very smart

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:02 am

In post 6708, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 6706, Datisi wrote:why?
Antispew/efforting as scum has more of a downside than efforting as town if he thinks his slot is a lost cause. Probably also more likely to see it as a lost cause as scum.

so, do you think that him being absent here is scum!indicative for him? especially when compared to his play in invictus?

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:41 am

In post 6733, Dannflor wrote:Menalque (6): Datisi, ydrasse, GuiltyLion, Dannflor, scamper, Frogsterking
Something_Smart (5): DeasVail, Nero Cain, Ausuka, fireisredsir, Cat Scratch Fever
fireisredsir (3): Menalque, Shea, Something_Smart

the iconeum tell™ says both mena and s_s are scum

oh, how i wish that were true

anyway, s_s, why the vote on fire?

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:47 am

In post 6754, Frogsterking wrote:What's the iconeum tell?

two major competing wagons consistently refusing to vote for one another, even when it would make sense from a survivalistic-pov, point towards them being s/s

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:48 am

In post 6753, Thestatusquo wrote:interesting that both todays wagons have now parked on my vanity wagon while refusing to actually talk about each other
(or be here)
that much.

how does the bolded apply to s_s?

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:52 am

In post 6763, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 6760, Datisi wrote:
In post 6754, Frogsterking wrote:What's the iconeum tell?
two major competing wagons consistently refusing to vote for one another, even when it would make sense from a survivalistic-pov, point towards them being s/s
I was kind of considering this to be not really applicable because its S_S specifically and he usually just wouldn't vote in that situation regardless.

But I think him voting fireisred changes my thoughts there considerably.

which is why i specifically edited the post to reflect s_s's vote there, yes.

on one hand, i am liking what s_s is doing. on the other, i know that earlier today, while i was taking a walk, i was thinking how scum!s_s doesn't necessarily make *sense* because scum!s_s would have an idea on what he has to do to get townread, and he was obviously not doing that (e.g. being unhelpful when you asked him for a new solving strategy or wtv), and that didn't quite make sense. however, now that he's gone into doing traditionally townier stuff...

like. i kinda feel gross saying this, because i don't wanna *discourage* possible town!s_s from solving. but i'd be lying if i said the thought didn't cross my mind.

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:52 am

In post 6763, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 6760, Datisi wrote:
In post 6754, Frogsterking wrote:What's the iconeum tell?
two major competing wagons consistently refusing to vote for one another, even when it would make sense from a survivalistic-pov, point towards them being s/s
I was kind of considering this to be not really applicable because its S_S specifically and he usually just wouldn't vote in that situation regardless.

But I think him voting fireisred changes my thoughts there considerably.

which is why i specifically edited the post to reflect s_s's vote there, yes.

on one hand, i am liking what s_s is doing. on the other, i know that earlier today, while i was taking a walk, i was thinking how scum!s_s doesn't necessarily make *sense* because scum!s_s would have an idea on what he has to do to get townread, and he was obviously not doing that (e.g. being unhelpful when you asked him for a new solving strategy or wtv), and that didn't quite make sense. however, now that he's gone into doing traditionally townier stuff...

like. i kinda feel gross saying this, because i don't wanna *discourage* possible town!s_s from solving. but i'd be lying if i said the thought didn't cross my mind.

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:00 am

Menalque Sep 21, 02:24pm Sep 21, 04:28pm 2 days 4 hours 37
wow would you look at that another prod range for this slot who would've seen that coming not me ahahaha totally not me

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:00 am

Menalque Sep 21, 02:24pm Sep 21, 04:28pm 2 days 4 hours 37
wow would you look at that another prod range for this slot who would've seen that coming not me ahahaha totally not me

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:02 am

In post 6783, Thestatusquo wrote:Why do you keep double posting.

because i have a shitty mouse that, in about 75% of cases, double-clicks when i normal click and i don't know how to fix it

and my internet is moderately shitty and lets both posts go through

if you have a fix for my shitty mouse, i'm all ears

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:05 am

In post 6789, Frogsterking wrote:I think the dynamic that's emerging in this game is that S_S and Shea are unable to communicate to each other directly but have "found" each other as traitor and groupscum, and have reached a state emotionally where they've already accepted they're likely to lose the game and are enjoying playing scum together and posting in the thread messing with the Town.

@Dats

Am I tinfoiling here or is that a logical deduction, considering you probably have more insight into how scum approach survival in tough games like this than I do?

i'mma keep it real w you chief, i have no clue how you came to that conclusion from ~thread vibes~ because i don't get that feeling at all

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:05 am

In post 6790, Thestatusquo wrote:I'm willing to buy you a new mouse if you can't afford one.

i can afford it, i'm just a stingy bastard

thanks for the offer, though

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:10 am

In post 6794, Frogsterking wrote:It's more so based on the fact that Shea is really persistent about voting fire and it reminded me of my scum play from that large normal where I kept pushing Yeet and VP nonsensically to rile up the Town.

i mean, shea can theoretically be scum independently

i just don't get any ~vibe feelsies~ about him/s_s having a mental connection or whatever the fuck it is

i think his play here makes sense as scum most if mena and s_s are both town

but i don't wanna think about that scenario right now

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:21 am

In post 6824, T3 wrote:
been down with a bad cold for the past 2 days. vc coming soon.

can we get a prod on menalque slot pls

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:52 am

i still want to wait until mena is possibly back because, if he's town, (1) i value his input, (2) i wanna make scum actually work for it and argue w him

so pls no hammers yet and if there is a premature hammer know that i will be parking my vote on you tomorrow <3 (the you here being everyone and anyone, not just tsq)

Datisi · Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:53 am

actually, again, money where my mouth is

UNVOTE:

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:28 am

In post 6852, Ydrasse wrote:menalque waiting room

in other news, i may or may not have an even stronger townread on frogsterking now for the last few posts. as much as they are very unpleasant to read and play with, they show conviction that i struggle to think scum-frogs shows.

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:32 am

In post 6858, Ausuka wrote:I hardclaim combined gunsmith rolecop.

On night 1 I targeted Datisi and he doesn't have a gun and he is a doctor. Presumably this makes him town because doctors are always town.

On night 2 I targeted scamper. He has a gun and his role is strongman. However I don't think we should eliminate him because he's funny.

i almost choked on the apple i am eating

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:36 am

In post 6857, Frogsterking wrote:VOTE: Datisi

you gonna explain why you're voting the clear or is this a meme vote

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:49 am

i've seen mena lurk out as scum, and it doesn't involve lying about irl

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:39 am

combined roles are normal but i have a hunch that is a joke claim

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:26 pm

i asked for no hammer until mena is back.

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:26 pm

well i guess it's not y-1 since frogs isn't voting him again, but still.

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:31 pm

[quote="In post 6883, Frogsterking"][/quote]
it's not uncommon from either menalques in the recent years.

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:37 pm

In post 6888, Frogsterking wrote:Can you elaborate? Like is disappearing for 60 hours and not scum hunting or defending themselves when they are here normal for them?

if he's sick, then yeah, i can see town-him playing like this.

not saying i townread him in any capacity here. but, do i think he's 100% always scum? no. and i know town-mena can both (1) solve very well, and (2) be an absolute pain in the ass of scum that's trying to misyeet him.

so i am not letting a quiet misyeet go through when it's possible we're dealing with town-mena.

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:45 pm

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:49 pm

jesus fucking christ i hate that i actual have to explain this basic shit to you, but

we are not in day one. i am not asking to let mena stay alive for five more ingame days while he jerks around prodging. we have 6 irl days until deadline. that is enough time for him to either start posting, or fucking die. waiting for a player that is STRONG AS TOWN, BEFORE WE MINDLESSLY YEET HIM, IS OPTIMAL.

AND -- not yeeting andres in that game just for being lurky on d1 was also optimal. *and* we would've won the game much sooner had you not derailed the thread and helped to that speedyeet on skitter. so i REALLY don't think you're the one to talk here and be drawing such shit faulty conclusions on "optimal" play.

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:52 pm

like, frogster, buddy, you are not a god at this game. you can be certain mena is scum, and sure, if he is then yeeting him immediately is probably +town ev. but guess what: YOU ARE NOT A GOD. you don't always have correct reads. you just don't. and going against what the literal confirmed town is telling you is optimal, because you're just that egoistic, is atrocious. this is a team game. the optimal thing we need to do right now is wait for a potentially town play to start townspewing and/or solving.

pedit: i said what i said. it's not formatted the best because i'm tired, but i stand behind it.

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:10 pm

i don't see how any of that can be projection.

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:13 pm

i don't know which part of "i currently think menalque is scum and he's my preferred choice of elimination for today if he does not show up and start being town as fuck" means that i'm not listening to you.

i'm explaining a strategy to you - murdering someone who MIGHT be town and who i know FOR A FACT we really shouldn't kill yet IF HE IS TOWN is a HORRIBLE move. you have very little experience w mena afaik, i have 30+ games and literal years. i know what i'm talking about.

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:14 pm

like, i've seen town-mena go god-mode when pushed close to elim. if he is town here, and we kill him before he has a chance to do that, it's a massive blow to the game.

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:47 pm

In post 5526, scamper wrote:i would like to reiterate to the vigs i have a clear on datisi so please do not shoot either of us, ty

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:50 pm

like i'll admit that i am not Technically Confirmed Town due to the possibility that scamper and i are scum together and decided we wanted to win a goodfellas scummy for this game i guess

pedit: well then you can ask scamper to clarify once he is back in the thread if that's what you're worried about

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:52 pm

valid, i'm aware i was exaggerating.

Datisi · Sat Sep 24, 2022 11:51 pm

why is dease scum again, other than not voting menalque when you wanted him to?

Datisi · Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:31 am

frogs, buddy. mena isn't escaping anywhere. can you please stop spamming.

Datisi · Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:33 am

In post 6947, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 6945, Ausuka wrote:i mean maybe i'm misjudging how other people feel but i'm just like

mafiascum has long deadlines, if we spam needlessly and get exhausted it's bad but can't we all just like... take a holiday and do other things while we wait for mena

i don't think that really hurts us

idk
Menalque visited marci N2. I breadcrumbed my guilty claim by mentioning marci's death a million times.

and you didn't push the guilty you had on d2 at all. sure.

Datisi · Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:36 am

yeah, sure. then please let mena spew a bit in peace.

Datisi · Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:38 am

In post 6288, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 5740, Menalque wrote:Datisi I'm proud of u for following my patented "reading MT" method

In post 5742, Menalque wrote:reads would be hard to give when I've read approx 0 of the game
I do also think this was weird

ok I think I'm talking myself back into Mena
VOTE: Menalque

@menalque please explain how these two quotes can coexist

Datisi · Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:39 am

In post 6227, Datisi wrote:
In post 6183, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 5770, Menalque wrote:
In post 5766, Datisi wrote:
In post 5764, Menalque wrote:datisi was the one person I thought was town anyway, sadge
why
5358 mostly then followed up in 5399

it just seems so unnecessary to me to reference something I'd said months ago as part of bussing MT
wait why does this give you a townread on datisi but you vote me when i was the one who brought it up originally

i mean i don't really think it should be a reason to townread either of us but it seems inconsistent
i was thinking about this and like

my vote put morning tweet at y-2, at the time when it was pretty much inevitable that she was going to die

in what fucking universe do i get townpoints for fluffing up my bus against her, when i only voted when it was inevitable it was happening lmfao

and address this pls

Datisi · Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:47 am

In post 2593, Frogsterking wrote:My solve coming into today was elephant (replacement), Baltar, firebringer (replacement), and dannflor. I expected this list of 4 to contain at least 2 scum.

I see no reason now to second guess my analysis, and I suggest there is at least 1 scum in elephant (replacement), firebringer (replacement) and dannflor.

first post frogs made on d2. yep, this is someone with a guilty on deas.

pls stop spamming your fakeclaim, it's anti town.

Datisi · Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:22 am

i am interested in hearing about p much all of those :3

Datisi · Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:49 am

i'm not in prod range yet right

uhhh

mena still scummy

s_s still scummy

ok cool

Datisi · Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:53 am

frogs is another one of my "if this flips red, i am one-shotting a bottle of vodka" reads, fwiw

Datisi · Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:42 am

why is mena town

Datisi · Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:47 am

what is your read on mena and why is s_s more likely to be scum

pedit: @fire

Datisi · Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:49 am

In post 7045, Something_Smart wrote:well at least I am posting.

do you wanna actually offer some game related stuff

what's going on with your fire vote by now

Datisi · Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:00 am

In post 7048, Something_Smart wrote:I'm about ready to switch to Mena, I think.

why is mena scummy to you

Datisi · Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:03 am

well i'm hoping you would give some sorta justification for your words because i am kind of wishing to just murder through both you and mena so maybe give me reasons to change my mind

Datisi · Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:04 am

well gee idk s_s maybe if i read something that i determine is a townie mindset from you, i might change my mind???

Datisi · Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:06 am

like this is such a basic "ask people i scumread why they're saying the things they're saying to get an insight into their thought process and hopefully change my mind if i am wrong" procedure like idk why you're not willing to have a convo

Datisi · Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:08 am

In post 7060, Nero Cain wrote:IDK why you are wasting your time, dats

buddy i'm playing forum mafia, time wasting is in the activity description

Datisi · Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:57 am

In post 7076, Ausuka wrote:Hi I'm here and increasingly thinking maybe we are just slowrolling this

what

Datisi · Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:00 am

slowrolling is not something i ever heard from a town perspective so that's why i'm asking what you mean

Datisi · Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:18 am

Menalque (2): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking
Something_Smart (8): Ausuka, Cat Scratch Fever, DeasVail, scamper, fireisredsir, Ydrasse, Dannflor, Nero Cain
fireisredsir (2): Thestatusquo, Something Smart
Not voting (2): Menalque, Datisi

not my first choice currently but whatever at least the day is over

if there is a third vig, please just fucking shoot mena ok thanks

Datisi · Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:27 am

In post 7115, Ydrasse wrote:hetalia amv

Datisi · Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:44 am

i will blame LITERALLY EVERYONE other than MYSELF thank you very much

Datisi · Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:57 am

can i also song

Datisi · Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:16 pm

...so, cat scratch fever, why are you, like, still alive

Datisi · Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:33 pm

i'm too cute to die

Datisi · Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:53 pm

i am kind of wondering if cat scratch fever not being dead last night means that scum has some sorta blocking role (or alternatively, they do not have anyone who knows something about mechanics, because we're at evens now and leaving a vig alive to get a shot of is LOL but okay whatever)

i am annoyed that we ended up going on smart when he had somewhat good associates w baltar but eh, i didn't have the guts to push it yesterday so whatever

in my nightmares i saw a mena/lion team and i maybe still see it

it's 3 am i shouldn't be playing mafia right now

Datisi · Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:56 pm

mena/lion/fire?

i do not wish to live in that town

but maybe we do

Datisi · Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:59 pm

In post 7168, GuiltyLion wrote:also I don't rly think fire is scum

why not?

Datisi · Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:40 pm

In post 7193, Menalque wrote:I don't really feel strongly enough on a SR yet to lead lead but we can kill deas for now

why is deas scum? other than wanting to kill both of you. i wanted to do that too

Datisi · Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:42 pm

In post 7170, GuiltyLion wrote:I don't think scum!fire has incentive to campaign so much for Smart yesterday, also I reread his ISO and it's just generally more town than I thought

ik i'm prob annoying but what can you do

why do you think scum wouldn't campaign for s_s, and *what* about his iso is so town?

Datisi · Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:28 am

In post 7199, Menalque wrote:Did your eyes happen to gloss over for 7186?

i skimmed that but like the only thing i saw was "deas said my read on s_s is bad" and like i completely agree that your read on s_s was bad so idk what we're talking about here

also, the lack of "datisi and scamper are playing a 9000 IQ scum gambit" paranoia is noted

Datisi · Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:32 am

ok i reread it idgi why is he scum

what progression of his on you/s_s should i be looking at that is apparently so damning

Datisi · Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:11 am

In post 7211, GuiltyLion wrote:But then later I saw the Ydra post where she had fire in a vigpool, so nvm that was probably wrong

so

why is fire town again

Datisi · Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:27 am

In post 7229, Dannflor wrote:i *think* datisi is the only one I could see as plausibly being scum of those three

why do you think it's more likely that i'm scum out of three of us, rather than the person literally claiming a clear on me

Datisi · Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:31 am

In post 7238, Dannflor wrote:you didn't have a choice of being involved in this and I do think there exists a world where you are a scum doctor and that is why the vig hasn't died yet

you think scumtisi would let a vig live when we're at evens. disgustang. insulting, even.

Datisi · Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:37 am

In post 7240, Ausuka wrote:i think in most worlds if we burn you, fire and menalque we win the game

how sure are you on guiltylion being town

i got the paranoia there after the s_s flip

Datisi · Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:41 am

In post 7296, Ausuka wrote:I have a tendency of being defensive but sometimes I am right and I think I am right about this

i am Around

but i am not able to focus very hard on this game currently for ??? reasons

i do agree dann looks Not Good in this exchange but like idk what is scum-him attempting to accomplish here

Datisi · Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:48 am

In post 7301, Frogsterking wrote:I'm actually thinking the opposite and am considering casing the remaining Masons if they continue to make shit use of their role and refuse to push the Mena -> fire -> Dann solve through.

why is fire now in between them?

also, @ausuka, idk i guess i can see that. i also thought your "we're winning" comment was odd, but i can also imagine scum think they can push you based on that

Datisi · Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:51 am

In post 7307, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I get the sense that fire was town reading VPB, but it’s unclear why.

that's the thing, he wasn't. i don't think he ever gave a concrete read on vpb, except for some vague dislike of his handling of the wagons

(then at one point vpb was like "hurr durr fire is reading me correctly that is odd" which like, fire never publicly said he was townreading vpb so that way

but)

Datisi · Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:11 am

oh, that said dann, not dease. i thought you were gonna be at least a bit consistent with the tracker claim, but sure.

what about fire's eod3 is so bad that he's become your 2nd choice?

Datisi · Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:07 am

zzz

VOTE: menalque

mena feels less dead this game than in the last game i've seen scum!him, but uh. this is still a far cry from what i'd expect town!mena to actually do here. so let's give a bit more motivation, then?

this is also a reminder to @menalque that i want explanations for all of the reads in the readslist that happened yesterday. was it yesterday? idk this game is blurring together but there's probably only one readslist so whatever

i also agree that fire's reread isn't Great but also at this point i think i'd need much much more from him to change my opinion of him on this game

uhh, who said that frogs can post like this as scum, was it @shea? (if it wasn't, whoever it was) do you still hold that view? bc i am really struggling to imagine scum-frogs posting with this much... i don't know non-rude words to describe it, but you know what i mean.

Datisi · Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:09 am

oh yeah, the vc is wrong, it takes 7 to majority, not 8, so keep that in mind

Datisi · Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:21 am

In post 7388, DeasVail wrote:How should I be interpreting Menalque's expressed suspicion of me?

idk lmao

i just find it really meh

i wouldn't mind if that was like, a part of his play, but the fact it's basically one of the only explanations he's said so far is not good

and also the "i'm not confident in my reads but let's murder deas" sits very wrong with me and makes me think it's just throwing smoke for after he flips

Datisi · Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:59 am

no, i'm saying i think he's scum, and while i acknowledge that his catchup exists and isn't great, it doesn't change my opinion on much of anything

Datisi · Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:17 am

mena??? i guess??? i don't like guns

Datisi · Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:10 am

In post 7435, Ausuka wrote:I don't think menalque is going to slip through the cracks and pull out the sweep by lurking

menalque pulls a chilly???

Datisi · Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:12 am

nero how serious are you in thinking i'm scum and do you plan to do something about it

alternatively what do you plan to do today in general

Datisi · Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:33 am

In post 7446, Nero Cain wrote:Though I guess I do have a question. I expressed some light suspicion on you in 7343. You posted 5 times until you commented in 7438. So why was there a delay?

idk, when i first saw it, i didn't think questioning it woulf bring anything useful. then i changed my mind and thought that maybe it will bring something useful so i asked.

spoiler alert, it did not

Datisi · Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:49 am

In post 7450, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 7448, Datisi wrote:idk, when i first saw it, i didn't think questioning it woulf bring anything useful. then i changed my mind and thought that maybe it will bring something useful so i asked.
what changed your mind?

no clue, probably someone mentioned you in some way and i was like "hey yo i could actually ask nero about it"

Datisi · Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:20 am

if i'm scum here, i'm a false negative, not a false positive

Datisi · Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:52 pm

In post 7518, fireisredsir wrote:at least datisi had the same thought

well, considering the other vig did *not* die last night... obviously scum's goals are beyond our understanding

Datisi · Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:07 am

my bad y'all

Datisi · Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:06 am

mena are you gonna explain that one readslist you made at some point

Datisi · Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:44 pm

hewwo yes i am a masom with scamper and ydra

i was hoping we wouldn't have to claim yet but also this removes the VERY annoying thing of "i am being secretive as to not out the masons!!" so y'know not bad overall

In post 7642, scamper wrote:anyawy now that info is out in the open i *want* to say this feels like a 5 scum setup just b/c all the masons, the vigs, and the UB are confirmable town roles which is a lot in a 20p although ofc there's room for friendly fire...but i think generally it's best to play assuming a potential worst case scenario rather than hoping for a less powerful scum team. just keep it in mind for the future

ftr this was my thought process too, because 6 confirmable roles + the vig shots just seems way too much for a 4p scumteam

4p + traitor maaaaaaaybe but i'm guessing 5 goon scum, personally

which is also why i, uh, instantly wanted to murder morning tweet when she claimed fn because like. that meant 6 conf prs. then it turned out enchant was ALSO a conf pr which like lole i guess? but yeah uh

i'll read the fire walls (hehe) a bit later i just wanted to check in and let y'all know scamper is conftown

Datisi · Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:46 pm

also, i skimmed and i don't think this was mentioned, so

we're getting a new nero (viewtopic.php?p=13517177&f=4#p13517177)

so that's gonna be FUN and totally not even more confusing

Datisi · Tue Oct 04, 2022 2:03 am

In post 7669, Dannflor wrote:this interaction feels very TOWN

but there aren't that many SLOTS left in the GAME

add this to posts that i absolutely should not be townreading but my god am i tempted to

Datisi · Tue Oct 04, 2022 2:10 am

In post 7683, scamper wrote:
In post 7681, GuiltyLion wrote:I think the Baltar associatives for Nero were good though, I need to reread those but Baltar felt very awkward explaining why he wasn't fighting with Nero and I sorta believe him when he said if they were scum together they'd probably ham up a shitfight

felt very much more like Baltar was playing around Nero
if anything i feel like their conversations were kind of awkward?

i'm still of the thought that nero wouldn't call out vpb's "wow you're not interacting with me" so publicly... but eh, willing to wait for a rep and see what they do ig

Datisi · Tue Oct 04, 2022 2:14 am

also, i read fire's cases on gl/frog and like. i really like the case on gl. i've been feeling uncomfy with gl for a bit now, but i wasn't able to mentally put gl and mena into the same team. but seeing how fire explained it (and seeing that gl didn't call him out for any bs, meaning the case is probably factually accurate) it actually makes sense.

frog one i also liked, but that one is a bit more difficult for me to ~understand~, i guess. probably because i mentally slotted frog as "way too annoying to be scum, next" and am sticking with it. to be fair i should really reskim the large normal. so i guess my main q to fire, since you were town in that game - how similar/different frog's play is there and here? my pov on that game is informed so i'm not sure i can be objective here.

Datisi · Tue Oct 04, 2022 3:26 am

In post 7564, Datisi wrote:mena are you gonna explain that one readslist you made at some point

Datisi · Tue Oct 04, 2022 3:36 am

you sure you wanna be accusing me of busywork?

i know what you're capable of as town. you're currently nowhere near it. i'm trying to nudge you in the right direction.

Datisi · Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:12 am

In post 7705, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 7698, Datisi wrote:probably because i mentally slotted frog as "way too annoying to be scum, next" and am sticking with it.
If it's a Frog/Mena team he probably has to be annoying to try to stay townread against a formidable townpool

i'm not treating it as "frogs wouldn't want to do this as scum", i'm treating it as "frogs isn't physically capable of playing like this as scum"

but like i said, i could be wrong, i'm stupid, game difficult, etc.

Datisi · Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:35 am

my personal vibes and vague memory of large normal 238

Datisi · Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:01 am

oh boy this is gonna be fun

Datisi · Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:15 am

In post 7717, Titus wrote:Looked at dead list. Is Ydrasse mason known?

that'd be me and scamper

also, csf is conftown due to being a vig

Datisi · Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:44 am

what?

(read: what does titus's post there mean)

Datisi · Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:46 am

Datisi · Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:34 pm

In post 7732, Titus wrote:I still think this is bullshit somewhere so I need to do VCA four fucking times.

i'm claiming mason in 7692

scamper also claimed mason in the post dann quoted

ydrasse was continuously townreading both of us throughout the game

i have an extremely specific crumb from back in day one

and csf is the only one claiming the extra vig kill

like no offense but what the fuck are you talking about

Datisi · Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:36 pm

also: nobody is counterclaiming us

like you can argue csf is an even night serial killed or wahetever (which she's not considering she's prob even night and there's an odd night vig) but what do you plan to accomplish by shading the un-cc'ed masons

Datisi · Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:08 pm

yes, it did at some point after that post occur to me that maybe you have a role that interferes with something here. and i'm assuming you're not suicidal and won't cc masons, then

i feel like if you are an even night vig, it's probably better to make that explicit and then just shoot csf and have her shoot you tonight to resolve that mess

we're not lying about being masons, as i said i have an extremely specific crumb back in day 1 (and i think at this point mystery hurts more than it helps) but if you wanna do extra work for that, be my guest ig

Datisi · Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:11 pm

on one hand, i appreciate the efforts to protect the prs or what have you

but i think we're at the point where fakeclaiming can just result in friendly fire

do i care enough to be arguing about this? not sure. i need to check frog's iso in 238. and probably still kill mena anyway. it's 2am, i'm off.

Datisi · Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:13 pm

sorry if my earlier posts were harsh, titus, i disagree with you but i shouldn't have been mean

we're not unconfirmed though, nobody cc'ed us >_>

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:07 am

i really wish titus would actually claim properly because i am big tired

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:40 am

In post 7786, Titus wrote:Ask Datisi in your PT if that's something I would do as town. Discuss why a soft claim of CSF lying might work better.

you underestimate my stupidity but i'm fine leaving this be for this time

and if it results in even more vig shots aimed at confirmable town power roles, don't say i didn't warn you

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:07 am

In post 7813, Titus wrote:We need CSF here to double down on his claim and put out his reads list.

If CSF doubles down, we let bullets do the talking and eliminate Menalque.

csf is a she

also at this point might be better to fullclaim but i am Fine waiting for csf

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:09 am

In post 7819, Dannflor wrote:I thought Shea was town slipping originally

...
if csf is scum
then that could really explain the shea/csf talk that went on shortly after she repped in where he was like "csf claim" and then he went "well ok she reacted very quickly, i think she's town"

bruh

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:10 am

she was, but i chalked it up to "conftown feeling burned out" because got knows i'm feeling it too

but

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:12 am

In post 4302, Datisi wrote:hot take: gamma and hem are both scum, this is a bluff to stop the wagon while not looking like shit from defending hem

if this turns out to be true, i will literally cry

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:23 am

i want to scream

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:30 am

i still think my read on dv/gamma being unpartnered due to gamma continuously ignoring dv is Valid, but i don't know anything anymore

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:31 am

i think csf has similar meta-polarity that tweet does, so this iso of her is, uh... major concerning.

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:47 am

maybe don't put her in self-hammer range? idk the vc, but

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:32 am

why not both?

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:49 am

In post 7770, Titus wrote:Gut eyeball D1

Shea, Dann, CSF

In post 7771, Dannflor wrote:Three town

>_>

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:52 am

you won't be alone dw

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:31 am

i still think mena's absolute lack of effort is more damning, but also like
does it even matter
i think both of those have to die if csf reds

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:18 am

btw

csf has obviously gone back into antispew

titus has a poe i am very fine with

i don't care about waiting for mena anymore

i don't have anything left to say this day phase, so

if anyone ends up wanting to hammer, i support it

maybe we should let shea react at least, but like. lol. idk

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:20 am

In post 7912, Titus wrote:CSF faked his vig claim.

her

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:28 am

In post 7920, Thestatusquo wrote:Idk the analysis that this would make me buddies seems pretty surface level because it seems to forget almost willfully that every time i forgot it was in the context of wanting to Lim them.

fwiw i don't think this is like, insanely Better

because if you're scum, you knew she was on borrowed time anyway, so naturally you'd want to make it very well known that yes, you think she's scummy

while a townie would probably more likely go "ok vig town bye"

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:29 am

In post 7846, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Well okay i guess the bit is up.

I'm not actually a vig, I'm just vt. I saw that hem claimed some sort of vig and just decided to roll with it, thinking i would die sooner rather than later with a claim like that

@shea

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:32 am

i've reread d2 wrt you/gamma and i really don't think that stuff is anywhere close to clearing, but like

idk if there's a point in arguing abt this right now

Datisi · Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:35 am

gamma was not supposed to flip immediately

hem was not supposed to flip imemdiately

after his claim, that slot was dead sooner or later

i don't think the worldview i'm proposing is nearly as outlandish as you're making it out to be - positioning yourself around your partners isn't the same as actually getting them killed

Datisi · Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:13 am

i don't think there's much left to say for anyone other than titus/shea, so i'd like the two of you to let us know when you're down. i'd like to keep the game moving along now that we finally feel like playing again

Datisi · Thu Oct 06, 2022 2:40 am

csf has basically gone full antispew and mena is still hard MIA

and we've been losing our collective marbles over them

Datisi · Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:37 am

In post 7959, scamper wrote:
In post 7957, Datisi wrote:i don't think there's much left to say for anyone other than titus/shea, so i'd like the two of you to let us know when you're down. i'd like to keep the game moving along now that we finally feel like playing again
i mean they're both voting csf soooooooooooo.....

yes i know but i tried to be POLITE i'm SORRY it won't HAPPEN AGAIN

Datisi · Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:38 am

d1 scumflips can be bad (unless the entire scumteam potatoes) because generally scum doesn't look horrible from them and then a few town flips happen and then the game goes to shit

Datisi · Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:45 am

In post 7981, GuiltyLion wrote:mafia game where it starts as 5 people and only one of them is mafia

that's not mafia

also yes, a while ago ducky told me that the ultimate strategy as scum in micros is "lolbus day 1 cruise into yeetlo" and they had a point

Datisi · Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:47 am

Datisi · Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:51 am

i retract my mason claim fuck you