TM 2023 | Masterchef MafiaScum (Game over)

[Doctor Drew]

Doctor Drew replaces KawaiiKame on Whimsical Activities.

That's right, slapped my best chef hat on and am ready to crack open some skulls like they are cage free eggs.

And, just in time for an Aureal wagon? This must be my birthday!

Pre Edit: Wut McMenno?

[Doctor Drew]

you heard me, buddy. thank your predecessor

What the actual fuck are you going on about?

A can of whoop ass in not in my ingredient list but I can send a freshly opened one if you want.

[Doctor Drew]

start voting me then

Why would I do that when there is an Aureal wagon to be had.

[Doctor Drew]

You aren't worthy of this Doc's time

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Aureal

[Doctor Drew]

then stop talking about "cans of whoop ass" when all you've got are wet farts

You are a problem for another day, or night.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Aureal

Gee, just state E-2. Let's avoid the same sort of thing happening again

What's wrong with E-2?

A wagon is for pressure right?

[Doctor Drew]

But they weren't elimed, I would have said if it was E-1 lol

[Doctor Drew]

/In to replace

Ah.

Eww, ok I get the anger there

[Doctor Drew]

the audacity of replacing out of the smallest game only to then try to replace into the event again

not to mention that is shady as hell

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Nah, it's just Kawaii. Wanna hear about the time they got 40 pages into a game without even understanding a basic game mechanic? Or the time they outed their mason team in a newbie game (a known setup) to avoid having the cop that couldn't possibly exist counterclaim them? Or the time- well I should stop there.

My point was, hi Drew! Nice to see you even though it probably means I'm doomed!

You don't even know

[Doctor Drew]

Sounds like a scum claim. VOTE: Doctor Drew

Ooh, sounds like you want to go 1v1

Spicy

[Doctor Drew]

Only if we get Aisa in here to ignore it. XD

That is my teammate you are speaking about

*throws hands*

[Doctor Drew]

Who are you referring to McMenno?

[Doctor Drew]

Drew do you have a reads list or thoughts or sumthing?

Starting to form a bit, hoping for a bit more activity.

Dessew's post basically welcoming me was weird and felt unnecessary, pinged me a bit scummy. Ironically Furt thinks they are scum though, and Furt seems more engaged here then I have really seen him, and he has always been town with me, so that pings me as well.

McMenno is probably town, despite the aggression(or even because of it) towards my slot.

Will need to skim through the thread to tighten reads on the rest though.

Oh, but Aureal is totally scum for real.

[Doctor Drew]

What is the wiki incident you speak of?

And it is somewhat jokes, but seemed like there was somewhat of some traction for an Aureal wagon when I subbed in, so I thought I would hop on and see what happens.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew are you scum this game - do I have to sort you?

Sorry to disappoint, but I am not scum here.

[Doctor Drew]

I am also having a gut scum read on Bianco, I don't know if I wanna push it further, but just want it out there ftr.

I also don't like how they are so obsessed with the VC, yes someone was put at E-1 in RVS, but that shit happens sometimes.

I mean I am at E-3 as well, that isn't close to be elim'ed, but you didn't point that out.

[Doctor Drew]

I am having a brain fart, I can't remember the wiki incident lol.

Pushing you was a joke, but felt apropos to join your wagon Aureal when I joined in while I got used to the surroundings.

I will say, not seeing much scummy from you, and at the risk of getting the wrath of Bianco for putting someone at E-2.

VOTE: Dessew

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: Me saying I would push you was a joke, I mean

[Doctor Drew]

I don't feel great about our odds of hitting scum today

anyone have some high conviction reads

Yes statistically speaking the odds aren't great, by what about your reads?

[Doctor Drew]

*but not by

[Doctor Drew]

I think korina norwee bianco furtive mcmenno are at like townie-ish? not really any solid townreads atp

i dont like my reads because its mostly based on whos done things and like its trivially easy for scum to do things and like i have no way to reliably sort town players who dont do anything

Yes this is generally how reads are formed, people do things and you try to figure out if they are townie things or scummy things.

So you are saying no one has done a townie thing in your eyes?

[Doctor Drew]

Or a scummy thing?

[Doctor Drew]

here i'll illustrate this.

take each slot in the game and write down in one sentence the most AI thing they have done so far this game.

Why don't you do this?

If you are acting in good faith you might surprise yourself.

[Doctor Drew]

here i'll illustrate this.

take each slot in the game and write down in one sentence the most AI thing they have done so far this game.

Why don't you do this?

If you are acting in good faith you might surprise yourself.

I have and I don't particularly feel great about it - that's my point - I am used to games with a lot higher level of activity and interaction and substance. This game feels like nothing meaningful is going on and people are ok with it which is only a town-win if like the scum have decided to do absolutely nothing.

Well again, if you are acting in good faith, make something happen.

You are trying your best to do absolutely nothing.

[Doctor Drew]

based on what are you saying that I am trying to do nothing?

I just joined in and haven't even read the entire game yet have more fleshed out reads than you.

What have you been doing?

[Doctor Drew]

perhaps i simply have higher standards for what constitutes a fleshed out read than you.

is this the part where you puff up your chest and try to intimidate me

also its a cute trick how you moved from "trying to do nothing" to not having fleshed out reads. juvenile really

also you joined the game. voted aureal as a "joke" then moved to dessew after you got no traction.

your reads so far are kind of a joke and i assumed you said them in jest.

Didn't think it would be that easy to tilt scum, but here we are.

VOTE: Aristeia

[Doctor Drew]

like are you trying to get Dessew eliminated? is your scumread there real this time? I don't really understand your motivations this game.

Are you gonna answer this one, Drew? It does seem like you're being pretty cagey about your reads - we can't tell if you even have them, let alone what they are!

[Doctor Drew]

explain the difference between town tilt and scum tilt oh great fleshed out reads player

I do appreciate you calling me a great player though

[Doctor Drew]

tired of your shit

So a smidge of pressure gets you all flipping out angry and wanting to punch holes in the wall?

Pre Edit: Thank you for saying I am amazing, need the ego boost.

[Doctor Drew]

Like, I kinda want to townread Ari for making good points about Drew. But I'm also terrified of her attitude mismatch between this game and the micro we played before. I might need to try digging into her meta, see if she gets upset easily as scum. Like I have time to do that. x_x

Does she usually fly off the handle as town?

[Doctor Drew]

my emotional state is p swingy depending on certain things but i get triggered p easily by someone saying that im not trying to solve or w/e

Well then fix that by trying to actually solve, instead of getting angry about someone calling you out for not doing anything.

[Doctor Drew]

Like, I kinda want to townread Ari for making good points about Drew. But I'm also terrified of her attitude mismatch between this game and the micro we played before. I might need to try digging into her meta, see if she gets upset easily as scum. Like I have time to do that. x_x

Does she usually fly off the handle as town?

Certainly not in the game we played. I wasn't kidding when I talked about how nice she was. And she did get some suspicion there too. I asked about it earlier because I was thinking maybe she was a lot more calm there because she was masons with Datisi, which as far as I can tell, would make her very very happy. She hasn't mentioned that though, just that she gets upset when people think she's not solving. I think there may have been some of that in the other game as she did seem to be kind of relaxing being a chill mason, though certainly not to the extent you're going at her.

I applied a bit of pressure, she flipped out.

What extent am I going after her?

[Doctor Drew]

I can fake being upset as scum p easily. I don't do it because i don't lose as scum so i dont have anything to be upset about.

I mean, come the fuck on......how are we not killing this with fire??

[Doctor Drew]

i would love to get killed so i dont have to play in a game with you anymore

Ok.

You do understand that the game of Mafia is based around people arguing with each other and pointing out things they think are inconsistent and seem fake.

Why are you being so dramatic about it all?

[Doctor Drew]

i would love to get killed so i dont have to play in a game with you anymore

Ok.

You do understand that the game of Mafia is based around people arguing with each other and pointing out things they think are inconsistent and seem fake.

Why are you being so dramatic about it all?

Like, I fully understand I could be waaaayyy off here.

But why are you pouting and just giving up and essentially crying that I am ruining your game experience, when I am playing the game.

I have not crossed any line, I am calling you out for your play this game, you decided to flip out on me.

See why I think you are scum?

[Doctor Drew]

i really have no desire to talk to you

i hate you as a person

Really?

Well then, why are you playing in this game?

[Doctor Drew]

drew

i do not believe you have done a single thing tonight in good faith

Another thing I didn't do was call you a terrible person.

That is fucked up that you called me that

[Doctor Drew]

you insinuated i was not acting in good faith multiple times
stop lying

In the context of the game, you know....this thing we play for fun.

You called me a terrible person, that is real life shit.

Fuck right off, I will not take that real life disrespect.

You wanna keep it all in game, I love a good argument, that is what the game is all about.

But how dare you sling an insult like that to me.

[Doctor Drew]

stop your shitty victim act you started this fight

As you cry yourself to sleep.

This is the most glaring case of ate I have ever seen, that's for sure. You played the victim right from the jump.

[Doctor Drew]

Unless this is an alt, never played with her before.

[Doctor Drew]

Morning Tweet replaces Aristeia on Frog Friends.

This is a fair trade.

I will offer my apologies to everyone here for what transpired last night, but I am still confused how it got to where it was.

Anywho, will be back a little bit later.

[Doctor Drew]

I will say while my scum read on Ari was before everything went sideways, I don't want emotions to cause me to death tunnel that slot. Especially since I have been reading MT pretty well as of late. On the surface it was a very townie entrance, but also feel she would enter that way regardless of alignment.

In other words, I still got my eyes on you Morning.

I think I will sheep Furt some more and go back to Dessew, as people have pointed out they seem to be playing it safe. And since they referenced the game we recently played, they were definitely a bit more aggressive and had more conviction(they were town).

VOTE: Dessew

[Doctor Drew]

You can tell your teammates that ol Doc Drew thinks they are all wrong.

[Doctor Drew]

I forgot who you replaced but I think you're scum already LOL

You really are terrible at reading me aren't you lol.

And Bianco, doing a little misrepping yourself now aren't you.

I can't understand why you find it necessary to announce E-3, like.... that means they only have two votes on them. This is like some subtle LAMIST.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Aureal
Yeah they look really bad here. I think this could be a TvT fight they were trying to encourage.

Bruh, you have the same reaction to it in your previous posts, that it's weird and unnecessary, then go on to smear me for it? I think

you're

kinda slimy. This is the opposite of not dwelling on it, you're forcing me to react. And how would my remark encourage the situation? I fell it'd be the other way around.

I’m focusing on what i believe to be alignment indicative content from you specifically.
And yes, it makes me happy you feel forced to react. That’s exactly what i’m looking for. Please go into more detail on how my push on you makes you feel.

It makes me feel like you don't actually care to leave the matter alone like you said. I don't want to poke at the issue anymore because there was a replacement and trying to make AI-judgement of a slot that replaced over the matter is at best poor form poking at someone who isn't around to explain or defend their actions, and at worst actually against some mods' rulesets. So I really try not to.

Really seems like you are just trying to deflect Aureal, like you are backed into a corner.

[Doctor Drew]

Oooh I like this aggressive Aureal. Stand up for yourself sister.

That also is a good point that I missed, Morning......did you really not see the food ingredient mechanic that this game is built around?

As an aside, I like when two scum reads fight with each other.....I feel I can really lock in their intentions fairly well.

[Doctor Drew]

Fire and Alisae both want to say MT is likely town. Oh and Fire also wanted to say MT’s reads are basically same as him and that makes her a copycat.

[Doctor Drew]

As in, yes I saw it. unsure what you're getting at

Your 436 that Morning quoted, how was it the first time that anybody heard about food kill alignments?(In regards to what Korina said).

It was pretty clear in my role PM I got when I replaced in.

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: That Aureal quoted

[Doctor Drew]

i suspect a little

Aureal (Good in Plaid) - I've outlined why I find you a bit suspicious. My question to you is this: Why do you have no townreads, and why do your scumreads seem to change to whoever is suspecting you / being suspected? You don't have a consistent "This is who I think is scum" -- my evidence for this is that you've suspected most every slot and it usually feels reactionary

Why should I have townreads? I can't make people be towny. The reads come when and where they come. My scumreads haven't changed, just expanded to include Drew as well as Dessew and Korina, don't really know what you're talking about. You say that I've suspected most every slot like it's a bad thing. Why are you trying to shade my attempts to solve? I don't see any Innocent Confirmed people here, if I see people doing things that are suspicious I'm going to suspect them. And congratulations for catching on that I'm a reactionary player, I've said it many times.

7 people are town, 2 are scum, its easier to justify why behaviour is innocent than why it is guilty. Also its very important to find your allies as town

As scum, maybe not so much, just incentive to find people to pin the blame on. that's what I'm getting at.

I suppose the reason I'm shading you is because I find you suspicious

Also, I get that a 9 player game is generally 7/2......but where in the setup here does it specifically say that this game is 7 town and 2 scum?

[Doctor Drew]

Drew -- why exactly would me not being knowledgable of the ingredients suggest I'm scum? wouldn't it be the other way around?

Post Edit: That Aureal quoted

Are you talking about this....?

Korina comes across as town to me but its more about the feel of their posts than the content. It’s not because Korina suggest hiding ingredients that i find towny, it’s more like im townleaning Korina’s immediate approach….? I think Korina might play different at the beginning at scum. It’s the tone of 53 and 55 i like. Pointing out that we shouldnt talk about our ingredients would be easy as either alignment, probably, because this is the first both alignmments are ever hearing about food kill mechanics.

This is an awful lot of words that don't seem to actually go anywhere. What does the last sentence even mean? The recipe info is literally in the setup post.

Those were literally the first words i put down on paper AS I STARTED READING THE GAME not to mention i dont see what this has to do with anything cause it doesnt really inform my read.

So Aureal quotes the first part of my catchup, calls it a nothingburger, and you're saying that I was unaware of the ingredients mechanic. I dont see where Aureaal is alleging that i was unaware. But its a big post

Can you sum up the ingredients mechanic for me?

[Doctor Drew]

Dry tomatoes and soggy eggs are the scum of this game.

I like a soggy egg, ngl

[Doctor Drew]

You are a thorough player Morning, you don't miss mechanics.

Your entrance to this game speaks to that.

VOTE: Morning

Pre Edit: If there is one player I am confident reading, it is Morning.....trust me Norwee

[Doctor Drew]

You're out of your gourd there. I'm not a mechanical player by any stretch of the imagination.

But you're on a hot streak cause you were in a couple games I was scum in. But kinda think you'd be able to tell better.

Seriously, lol what link me a game where I was mechanically strong, just one game

Literally was one game where you were scum in the game with me(and I tried to vig you, still upset the SK beat me to the punch lol).

Mechanically might have been the wrong term, but you cross your T's and dot your I's.

You wouldn't fuck up the main mechanic of the game though.

Pre Edit: I still was hoping you would recruit me in weird dreams lol

[Doctor Drew]

You are a thorough player Morning, you don't miss mechanics.

Your entrance to this game speaks to that.

VOTE: Morning

Pre Edit: If there is one player I am confident reading, it is Morning.....trust me Norwee

I am not moving my vote off this slot until it dies

Congrats

You are irrelevant, spectate if you wish

[Doctor Drew]

Wait a minute, what'd i miss with regards to the setup? The shelf?

How does the scum NK work?

[Doctor Drew]

Pre Edit: If there is one player I am confident reading, it is Morning.....trust me Norwee

Not sure i really do, my entire team thinks they are town.

Not the first time I was alone in that belief.

As an aside, when I first subbed in I thought it was Master Chief Mafia, really was psyched for a Halo themed game.

[Doctor Drew]

Pre Edit: If there is one player I am confident reading, it is Morning.....trust me Norwee

Not sure i really do, my entire team thinks they are town.

Any specific reasonings they have?

[Doctor Drew]

I really want to here from Morning after she has slept on it all.

[Doctor Drew]

I really enjoy this fire from you Morning, haven't seen it before(besides last night obviously), after a slumber of my own.....makes things exciting.

You said you wanted to sleep on things a bit before you read me one way or another, so was curious if that happened. That is all.

And I wanted Norwee to explain why his teammates locked you as town.....I don't see it but I am open to discussion about it.

And you seemed a bit tilted when I said I know your scum game, and you are doubling down on that. You are even TMI'img that you know I am town.

Pre Edit: Well that is a complete misrep, I wanted to know what Norwee and his team saw that said your slot was town......like I just said

And I don't fuck with mechanics as well, but you can't get mad when you fucked up the mechanics and get voted on it, and then double down that I am the asshole for pointing it out......fuck off with that(respectfully).

And you were not around, Norwee was and speaking of him and his teams read on you. So ya, I engaged with him......and I also literally said just before you posted I hoped you to hear from you.

So ya, glad to hear from you

[Doctor Drew]

Yeah, I was thinking just now, and this might actually be Drew's towngame. It feels a lot like the aforementioned 'wiki incident' where furtive opened the game by making a comment to me about his wiki. Drew came in and started interrogating him about why he did that and they just would not stop going around about it. Not until I posted my 'are you guys maybe all scum?' readlist as a way to try to focus and shift the game off that. Which made them both come after me and got me speedwagoned so fast I didn't even get a chance to claim. Annnnnd that's the majority of what happened in that game.

UNVOTE: while I think about where to go from here.

Ohhhh, that is the wiki incident you mean lol.

I still blame everyone else in that game, I wanted to move away from the wiki element and wanted to move on but you people kept bringing it up lol.

But how is this the same? I didn't like Ari, and I think I caught Morning. I was screaming and yelling at Furt in the game you mentioned.

Pre Edit: I mean I am pretty sure you knew I was town already Morning

[Doctor Drew]

Drew u tunnel vision on me being mechanically bad, I tell you why it's not AI since I'm not mechanical for shit, and then you're telling me to fuck off now because it's my fault I messed up the mech? The mech I said wasn't AI but you said was? That you're pushing me for? Uh... huh

I'm glad you're enjoying whatever it is you are doing

I do enjoy catching scum, yes.

You still really don't get it do you?

[Doctor Drew]

Alisae now tells me that Dessew is likely town because… "scum don’t confidently state they won’t get elimmed"?

I have softed almost that exact way as 3p, not saying there is 3p in this game, but it isn't really a town tell.

Dessew, if you truly won't get elim'ed even if we hammer you, why even soft it? Or why not say that earlier when your wagon was gaining momentum? Did you crumb at all?

Kinda not buying it, I was discussing this game just now with Aisa, we feel it could be a bluff

[Doctor Drew]

Also with my talk with Aisa, she like many it seems, isn't convinced that Morning is scum, but gets where I am coming from. I am fine with letting that sit on the back burner for now, I realize I may be a bit too cocky in my ability to read Morning and don't want to tunnel too much for now. I still think there is something there, but realistically it wouldn't happen today so best to just let it simmer in the background.

Also Aisa seems to be concerned that there really isn't anything going on besides the MT/Drew thing and all the pressure on Dessew. We kinda feel that people are afraid to make something happen, and that kinda makes me town read Furt even more......he is trying to make something happen.

Also do agree that Norwee is probably town as well.

[Doctor Drew]

Aureal, have you not read what Dessew has posted?

[Doctor Drew]

Uh, yes? Was there something in particular you think I should respond to?

Well just wondering why you are shading Furt and muddying the waters when it comes to Dessew when it seems they are scummy.

[Doctor Drew]

Well less then a day to go, will move back to Dessew.

VOTE: Dessew

E-1

[Doctor Drew]

Pretyt much changed my tune on Dessew due to the "I wont be eliminated" business so since the deadline is approaching I think it'd probably be best to start with that. Let's see what that's all about

Start with that? We have been been postulating about that for a bit now.

And why vote Bianco?

[Doctor Drew]

Is this the counter wagon you think you can save Dessew with?

[Doctor Drew]

yall hear sum?

Hammer Dessew

[Doctor Drew]

yall hear sum?

Hammer Dessew

Didn’t you think Dessew might be crumbing PR.
Now you’re calling for an hammer?

You mean to tell me that you didn't see Dessew soft claim a PR as well? And where I said I didn't really buy it and thought it was a bluff?

Dessew also said that they can't be elim'ed, like hinting that mechanically it couldn't happen. And now they claim the PR that scum never fake claims(insert eyeroll emoji here), doc.

Still don't buy it.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't understand why everyone is glossing over how Dessew changed their claim.

But, this will probably be my last post before deadline, just getting to work. Just wanted to reiterate my feelings on the claim.

No elim might actually not be a bad idea, to whoever mentioned that.

[Doctor Drew]

This is gonna be one of those games where no one listens to ol Doc Drew isn't it.

Fine, in the interest of making sure it isn't a no elim I will compromise on Bianco. Their weariness of keeping people at E-2 and 3 earlier(and seemingly not caring about that anymore) still pings me a bit anyways.

VOTE: Bianco

E-1

[Doctor Drew]

So you still are believing Dessew's claim? Still not buying it.

Also, is it better or worse that I get a fist bump?

I feel special, but maybe not for the right reason lol.

[Doctor Drew]

So you still are believing Dessew's claim? Still not buying it.

Like, why do you think it's fake though

I guess that would technically explain why he didnt immediately join bianco's counterwagon but he didnt really join any wagon

Dessew actually halfway argues for town!bianco because of some associative with furtive that I didn't quite get. So technically possible

I dont see where Dessew's claim changed

Their initial hinting at their role is that they cannot be elim'ed, suggesting that mechanically speaking they can't be

Then the 'full reveal' did not reflect this. I do think it is possible that what they did is part of their role, but like Bianco are only telling half truths.

And then of course not moving over to vote Bianco.

[Doctor Drew]

I always knew tomatoes were evil.

This is such a confusing setup. But it seems that the scum team can target their nightkill just fine in spite of it so I guess that can put speculation that maybe there's more than the expected two Mafia to bed.

Thoughts on the Bianco flip and how that implicates certain people?

Also I would enjoy more feedback on dessew and their claim.

But yes, I enjoy almost every tomato based product, but really not a claim of tomatoes by themselves.

[Doctor Drew]

I always knew tomatoes were evil.

This is such a confusing setup. But it seems that the scum team can target their nightkill just fine in spite of it so I guess that can put speculation that maybe there's more than the expected two Mafia to bed.

Thoughts on the Bianco flip and how that implicates certain people?

Also I would enjoy more feedback on dessew and their claim.

But yes, I enjoy almost every tomato based product, but really not a claim of tomatoes by themselves.

*not a fan......I am not claiming tomatoes haha

[Doctor Drew]

I would hope not, that would be worse than claiming scum. *shudder*

MT is town. Menno probably town. Not so sure about you, that could've been a "oh no my partner is getting deadline flipped I better get on that bus" vote. Korina is just ???????? I expect to hear more from Dessew about his night action but he's likely town since there was no real counterwagon until suddenly Bianco's appeared. And while furtive's actions certainly don't do much for his alignment it still seems like it'd be weird for a scum partner to accidentally vote him like Norwe pointed out earlier.

So......besides maybe me......no real scum read? Or even a tomato read?

[Doctor Drew]

Aureal, do you actively try to make me scum read you?

You literally say 'fuck mechanics'........and then your next sentence is 'let's talk these mechanics'

[Doctor Drew]

Aureal, do you actively try to make me scum read you?

You literally say 'fuck mechanics'........and then your next sentence is 'let's talk these mechanics'

Meh, I slightly misinterpreted what you were saying here.......my bad, read it again.

[Doctor Drew]

I... What? I said I'm getting worked up about mechanics. Because I want to understand them! Not understanding things makes me sad. I know it may well be useless but I seek knowledge!

Hmm?

I took it as you don't what to get in the nitty gritty of mechanics, but want to talk about what the shelf means.

[Doctor Drew]

Yes I also was given an ingredient at the start of d1, Lilith announced this. Were you not paying attention to that?

Also I didn’t lose any ingredients last night.

What are you talking about?

Lilith said ingredients were added to the shelf.

[Doctor Drew]

Yes I also was given an ingredient at the start of d1, Lilith announced this. Were you not paying attention to that?

Also I didn’t lose any ingredients last night.

What are you talking about?

Lilith said ingredients were added to the shelf.

Post Edit: Oh I thought you said the start of d2

[Doctor Drew]

Starting to believe Drew might be reading an alternate version of this game where every post says completely different things to him than to us

That stings MT lol.

Dessew, I will admit and went back to read the post where you said you won't be eliminated and in a vacuum I get how I could have misread it. Still feels weird to me that you would even say that when at E-1 though, why were you so confident that you wouldn't be elim'ed?. That's why I took it as you cannot mechanically be elim'ed, and this is also coupled with me not buying your claim once you did finally full claim(and me not believing you had to do with the role you claimed ftr), and then working backwards to this initial post in question. Not sure why I am an asshole for thinking you lied and are scum.

Also Dessew, did you gain any ingredients overnight?

[Doctor Drew]

Also I know it is a micro game and 2 scum are generally the norm, but we shouldn't just be assuming this. Especially in such a unique setting as this.

Pre Edit: So now who is illiterate? I will ask again.

Dessew, did you gain any ingredients overnight?

This has nothing to do with Aureal.

[Doctor Drew]

Yup, I did lose something last night.

And so did Korina.

Why are you lying about losing ingredients, Korina?

Oh now we are getting spicy.

[Doctor Drew]

My recipe uses three ingredients.

And yeah, I would think that duplicates would be indicated but no harm being clear. If you've got duplicates I'll assume the shelf works the same, which means the Flour that Korina lost is unaccounted for. Did anyone get some?

I started with flour and still have flour.

Not sure if or what that means, but I figure more info the better in respect to flour.

[Doctor Drew]

Also since we are all claiming.

I am a redistributor. I can take ingredients from two people(or the shelf) and give them to two other people.

This is why I don't believe Dessew.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, you could kill people with that skill, lol. Dessew could potentially kill himself and you could possibly double-kill. What a crazy setup. The mafia don't need much that power to counter this, it could get swingy.

Is interesting because I took an ingredient away from Norwee.

And gave two to Dessew.

[Doctor Drew]

also i dislike drew claiming what the mafia nk is as an action.

What you mean?

[Doctor Drew]

you literally claimed the mafia nk mechanics.

So you know exactly what the mafia NK mechanics are?

I mean, we all know how we can die, but apparently you know something else.

I only know what I can do, which is why I took from who I town read the most and gave to who I scum read the most.

[Doctor Drew]

Nightkills are replaced by "redistribution," which moves around ingredients to/from players.

???????

Is that wording somehow unclear in what is considered nightkills or did you also not read the setup?

I replaced in, I did not go back and read the initial mod posts no. I did understand the setup though.

You did claim to do basically what the mafia does

This is why I continue to not believe Dessew, what they claimed is very similar to what my role is.

Pre Edit: Yes MT, I took from Norwee and McMenno(might as well bring that up as well), and gave an ingredient from each to Dessew in hopes they might die. I do not know what ingredient I gave as it was random based off what Dessew would have needed to complete their recipe.

I wanted to protect two of my biggest town reads by taking ingredients from them and giving them to my biggest scum read.

[Doctor Drew]

I guess thats not a super big deal

If I try and conceptualize really hard, then Drew could be a vigilante for this setup essentially, the swing would probably be good for scum here

A randomized vig. you're basically just throwing random ingredients at someone and praying itk ills them even if we claim recipes, it wouldnt help

You're also sort of a protective wrapped into it though which kind of makes your role stronger than Dessews (Almost. Dessews I think is actually a better role even if less powerful you can't accidentally shoot people with it)

I kinda viewed myself of a vig/doc mixed with a mechanic of fucking with scum in a way......I do realize how it can backfire though.

Again, don't think Dessew is telling the full truth of their role given what my role is......and how Bianco told a half truth as well.

[Doctor Drew]

Dessew taking ingredients and putting them on the shelf makes sense as a protective though

You're basically just copying what the mafia does, throwing ingredients randomly. Unless they have something other than the rolecop.

This is a weird game I wasn't really expecting there to be this much interaction with the ingredients from town

Still think the discrepency between aureal/korina is important

I thought Dessew claimed that he takes them himself and not on the shelf. I thought the same thing too.

I'm a naughty boi, a Thief, a highwayman, and an excellent lover. But in this game specifically, I'm a Thief, which is basically a doctor. I can target a player of my choice or the shelf, and take a random ingredient.

Dessew can take from the shelf, not add to the shelf....according to their claim.

Which as I said, I can do the same.

[Doctor Drew]

Let's hear these reasons then.

[Doctor Drew]

Are you waiting for your team to tell you what to say?

[Doctor Drew]

Seriously, man, what's wrong with you? What did I write? I first want to hear what Korina claims to be.

If I am 100% scum, what does that matter?

Pre Edit: Enough with the petty insults, state your case

[Doctor Drew]

Did you have that double Flour before the night phase, Dessew?

I started the game with one, and now I have two.

@Drew: it's disrespectul to call my genuine concerns for you petty insults. Get yourself checked. Take better care of yourself.

What is your problem? You keep calling me illiterate and called me an asshole.

How am not supposed to take that as insults? Not to mention this douchy condescending tone you have here?

I am going to sleep, but last thing I will say. What scum motivation would I have to claim?

Am I trying to protect Korina? They had a wagon brewing. That is the only thing that would make sense

There was very little heat on me, I easily could have skated by and let a mis elim happen.

But Dessew has a lock tight case on me though, sure he will explain any minute now.....

[Doctor Drew]

We all care, furtive, what's your role called?

I'm a neighbouriser, haven't done it yet

Is your role flavour in a theme game neighbouriser?

What are you on about? I'm a recipe for a food, aren't we all?

What?

[Doctor Drew]

I thi nk the key difference is probably that Dessew takes the ingredients to himself whereas you move them

Yours is stronger but also more potential to be unhelpful

I will say that last night I was mainly trying to protect Norwee and McMenno by taking ingredients from them. I unfortunately can't place them on the shelf, or even take them for myself. And going into the night Dessew was my biggest scum read, so from my perspective they were the right person to give them to.

Also I don't know if I mentioned it before or not, but I can't choose the ingredients that I move around, it is randomly chosen.

[Doctor Drew]

Why, as scum, would I claim the scums NK ability?

There is zero logic to scum doing that.

I didn't have to claim when I did, no one forced me, so again..... basically no pressure on me so why would my play as scum be to claim the scum NK ability. Sorry to repeat myself, but make no sense.

McMenno confirmed they lost an ingredient, I said I took from them. Yes objectively speaking there really isn't a 100% confirmation that it was me. But I said I took from them, they said they lost an ingredient, unless you think McMenno and I our buddies.

[Doctor Drew]

Also I posted I took from McMenno before they said they lost an ingredient

Yes this doesn't 100% confirm alignment, or even role, but it would be super lucky to just guess McMenno lost an ingredient if I didn't know that he did ( in this case I took it from them).

So do you think McMenno and I are buddies?

Did you not think things through enough and didn't think how many holes are in your case?

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Dessew

[Doctor Drew]

It says you are a recipe but you're also something else

Right, I'm also a Neighbouriser

Why would you wait to neighborize?

[Doctor Drew]

No I don't really think it's you drew but it is really peculiar that you have exactly what scum is supposed be able to do

I will try to figure this out l8r

Listen, I get it.

And honestly I think Dessew has the same role as me as scum, I have hinted at it enough. I think I am there to fuck with their night plans, and now that Dessew knows this......is why they have been so aggressively wanting me gone.

Dessew thinks they can essentially bully their way to my elim, but have not realized they are not making any logical sense in regards to my role.

[Doctor Drew]

The role is confirmable, so it'd take a very

special

player, like Menno, to hammer me

can you elaborate on that one chief

This comment was unkind, I apologise. It turns out, I was the most special player all along.

Anyway, at night I take a

random item

from a player. I wouldn't target furtive because he's my top scumread, but for the sake of the argument let's say that he survives today, and I target him. Then at the start of D2 I can say, "furtive, I targeted you", and he can confirm that he lost an ingredient. Alternatively, I could also say, "haha, furtive,

YEAST

, amirite?" if the first one doesn't do the trick. N1 I could pretend with a scumbuddy if I were mafia, but if I change my target for N2, then by D3 I'm 100% confirmed (because, as previously discussed, there's only two mafia), and even before that I'd only have one possible partner.

My role is practically a doctor, but it's been modified for the special NK mechanics.

Also note the bolded, Dessew knows what ingredient they would steal yet at the same time says they take a random item.

Dessew, what was the ingredient you stole from Aureal?

[Doctor Drew]

The role is confirmable, so it'd take a very

special

player, like Menno, to hammer me

can you elaborate on that one chief

This comment was unkind, I apologise. It turns out, I was the most special player all along.

Anyway, at night I take a

random item

from a player. I wouldn't target furtive because he's my top scumread, but for the sake of the argument let's say that he survives today, and I target him. Then at the start of D2 I can say, "furtive, I targeted you", and he can confirm that he lost an ingredient. Alternatively, I could also say, "haha, furtive,

YEAST

, amirite?" if the first one doesn't do the trick. N1 I could pretend with a scumbuddy if I were mafia, but if I change my target for N2, then by D3 I'm 100% confirmed (because, as previously discussed, there's only two mafia), and even before that I'd only have one possible partner.

My role is practically a doctor, but it's been modified for the special NK mechanics.

Also note the bolded, Dessew knows what ingredient they would steal yet at the same time says they take a random item.

Dessew, what was the ingredient you stole from Aureal?

To clarify what I am saying.

Dessew is a more informed version of my role, they know what they are taking and how to 'redistribute' it

Which is why I want to know what two ingredients they gained overnight.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew and Dessew could you kindly knock it off with this foolishness please and thanks? You're not even listening to your own arguments.

I remind you: Korina is lying about what happened with her ingredients, reacted like caught scum to being called on it, and now is doing nothing more than dodging questions and sowing confusion between you. There's not much reason to think there's going to be a third scum so maybe we can save this arguing for after taking out the second?

And you wonder why I always scum read you.

It really is you and Dessew isn't it?

[Doctor Drew]

You know that 2v7 is already scumsided by default, right? 3v6 would be RIDICULOUS.

I can't explain the play another way lol.

[Doctor Drew]

I already said I also have flour, fwiw.

I never said anything about Korina(besides my already saying I do, and always have had, flour).

As MT was hinting at, I would have to be a massive idiot or the biggest open wolf in history to CLAIM THE SCUMS KILLING ABILITY AS MY FUCKING ROLE if I was scum.

Can you understand why I would vote an illogical dufous like Dessew? They basically are letting Furtive have a free pass for their claim that has nothing to do with the theme, when a huge part of their bonkers push on me is how it ties into the theme.

So so much inconsistency from Dessew.

[Doctor Drew]

One more thing: bianco had four ingredients when they got limmed, and NB started with four items, plus a possible mystery ingredient. If Drew had taken a random ingredient from NB as he claims, then there should be five or six ingredients on the shelf, but now there's seven. So Drew is lying (because he took it from Korina).

As I said, I can't add to the shelf in any way, shape, or form.

[Doctor Drew]

Dessew you're making a far dumber argument than what drew made yesterday

This is the nicest thing you have ever said about me.

McMenno, who you looking to hammer?

[Doctor Drew]

Dessew you're making a far dumber argument than what drew made yesterday

This is the nicest thing you have ever said about me.

McMenno, who you looking to hammer?

Oh, didn't realize Korina is at E-1.

[Doctor Drew]

I will declare intent, unless anyone has any real issues with it.

[Doctor Drew]

Dessew you're making a far dumber argument than what drew made yesterday

This is the nicest thing you have ever said about me.

McMenno, who you looking to hammer?

I miss our argument right about now

We could argue about whether or not I should hammer Korina.

[Doctor Drew]

If I don't hear anything from anyone before I finish my beer, I will hammer.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh yeah why didn't furtive neighbourize?

I still don't get this tbh.

But halfway through my beer.

[Doctor Drew]

I will say I have played in a game with Furt where they just forgot to use their power at night, and were town.

[Doctor Drew]

Beer almost done, speak now or forever hold your peace.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Korina

So it is written, so it shall come to pass.

Now I will enjoy another beer lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Besides yelling at me from the second I subbed in lol, I thought McMenno was great.

And apologies to Morning, I had a bit of PTSD from your predecessor and couldn't shake a scum read, I should know better.

[Doctor Drew]

Besides yelling at me from the second I subbed in lol, I thought McMenno was great.

And apologies to Morning, I had a bit of PTSD from your predecessor and couldn't shake a scum read, I should know better.

The feeling was somewhat mutual on our end, though not MTs.

The apologies or that I should know better lol?

[Doctor Drew]

Besides yelling at me from the second I subbed in lol, I thought McMenno was great.

And apologies to Morning, I had a bit of PTSD from your predecessor and couldn't shake a scum read, I should know better.

The feeling was somewhat mutual on our end, though not MTs.

The apologies or that I should know better lol?

We were still kind of non plussed by how we felt you had treated Ari and couldn't shake a slight scum read on you. MT didn't really scum read you that much.

I might have been tunnely on Ari, but was all in the spirit of the game and me thinking she was scum, how did I treat her bad enough for her to call me a bad person??

That is what tilted me.

[Doctor Drew]

Besides yelling at me from the second I subbed in lol, I thought McMenno was great.

And apologies to Morning, I had a bit of PTSD from your predecessor and couldn't shake a scum read, I should know better.

The feeling was somewhat mutual on our end, though not MTs.

The apologies or that I should know better lol?

We were still kind of non plussed by how we felt you had treated Ari and couldn't shake a slight scum read on you. MT didn't really scum read you that much.

I might have been tunnely on Ari, but was all in the spirit of the game and me thinking she was scum, how did I treat her bad enough for her to call me a bad person??

That is what tilted me.

*for her to say she hates me as a person, forgot exactly what she said. How would you feel if someone says that about you?

[Doctor Drew]

For that you'll have to take it up with her.

Would rather not interact with her again.

But, to be more lighthearted, Norwee really was solid as hell in this game, and it wasn't always pretty but town coalesced when it needed to.....even you Dessew lol.

[Doctor Drew]

From our perspective I don't think losing the flour made you look any more suspicious. We thought it was way more suspicious that you were stubbornly refusing to admit to having lost it despite it being pretty obvious that you had.

We believed it happened and we couldn't think of a good reason why you would lie about it as town.

That was key right there, no need to lie about it if you were town