JOAT uPick | FIN!

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Welcome to the aether

VOTE: Sakura Hana

-TL

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hmm I do think bell's RVS claim is strange but this is still RVS lol

that being said, Titus's deflection is towny

-TL

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firebringer town

-TL

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to elaborate, firebringer is acting true to firebringer and that is something the labor union desperately needs

-TL

pedit:

also welcome to Doctor Drew

-TL

ppedit:

VOTE: HolySpiritTurtle

your lack of elaboration is very concerning

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I have one ability that takes another player and myself out of the game for one day. If you have something that benefits from that, share.

there's practically zero scum equity in this claim

so my suspicion on Bell is very high, mitigated by still being in RVS so that levels out to a nullscum read

-TL

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I don’t get that.

your claim in RVS seems like you're scum trying to generate townread by claiming a trivially confirmable scummy ability as if you would as if you're scum trying to fakeclaim Miller

-TL

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I meant towncred but townread works in at least one universe so eh

-TL

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pooky i bet i can get more people to scumread me this game than u

Just for this

Fire, lock town


The most pro union mafiascum.net player in the history of games about lying

legendary opening

clearly worth a

!

and a nulltown read

-TL

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wait I didnt mean corrupt

I just mean I have fuzzy math thats all

this ebwop gives me some sort of towny vibes for some unified reason

-TL

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my current thoughts:

I really do need some elaboration from HolySpiritTurtle about posts 29 and 41, the deliberate lack of explaining vote and suspicion is actively anti-town

Bell is nullscum, recent posts feel NAI, it is a lot more concerning that HolySpiritTurtle's defense on Bell has already not only feel flat but went into the negatives

pooky and firebringer are a town block, titus is also towny I think

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my current thoughts:

I really do need some elaboration from HolySpiritTurtle about posts 29 and 41, the deliberate lack of explaining vote and suspicion is actively anti-town

Bell is nullscum, recent posts feel NAI, it is a lot more concerning that HolySpiritTurtle's defense on Bell has already not only feel flat but went into the negatives

pooky and firebringer are a town block, titus is also towny I think

ebwop:

that post was from TL

-TL

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You guys realize it would also be a scum claim for Pooky not to call me town by page 30 in bell land, right?

My expectations are kind of low there though, uh, assuming Pooky is town this game, which I dunno.

this is such a town bell post

that post looks NAI to me

-TL

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No, your claimed role has low scum equity, but Harmony did not appear to believe that was your true role hence the high suspicion.

I said Bell's role has zero scum equity, not high scum equity

I do suspect Bell's role is scummy (mutual silencer is a scummy role) and saying someone is fakeclaiming a trivially confirmable role is worth a

?

a trivially confirmable role will either be confirmed or be deconfirmed, hasty speculation is not a good strategy

-TL

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the comparison to a miller fakeclaim was a comparison, I find Bell's role claim to be scummy for that reason

pedit: statistically yes, but I'm fairly sure the strategy is to claim late Day 1

-TL

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I know you are way more a mech/setup person than I am, but isn't the prevailing wisdom for a miller to claim right away on D1?

I thought it was to claim late D1

too early and it is indistinguishable from a traitor claiming miller, too late and you risk a red check

-TL

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They claim at the start of the day. I wouldn't discount a claim at the end of the day but I've never seen that happen. In any case Bell is not claiming miller and seems to want responses to their claim, so claiming at the end of the day makes no sense.

you know what your argument makes sense

I still don't view the claim as particularly towny but I see the reason behind the claim now

your pushes are good so I kind of think you are town based on early Day 1 standards

-TL

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yeah I'd be willing to vote Joyboy as well as Joyboy's posts don't sense make but seem scummy

mutual silencer is a scummy role

The heck is a mutual silencer

a mutual silencer makes self and target unable to post or vote for the next day

VOTE: Joyboy

really want to see content that sense makes from Joyboy

pedit: yeah I agree Joyboy's ISO is devoid of content

-TL

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hi y'all!
~rh

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contrary to tl, i kinda wanna tr bell for the claim.
mostly due to how forthcoming he was with it.
~rh

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tbh i kinda like the vibes i'm getting from lemon.
so he can be in my trs.
~rh

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turtle's casual posting also gives me similar vibes tbh.
~rh

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also, i got a pagetop!
~rh

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also hi drew!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~rh

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i'm going to sleep now.
~rh

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LADYTERMINALLYONLINE'S BOUNTY
FIVE HOUNDRED THOUSAND
I'M GONNA FIGHT HER!

okay this post does not give off towny vibes

You got 15 more pages to change your mind pooky.

and this post feels like it indicates a scum mindset to me

You got 15 more pages to change your mind pooky.

i'll change my mind when you get fferylt to change your role pm

Hey bear, it’s your humiliation not mine. *smirk*

even your snark sounds faked

lol that is a great argument

VOTE: Bell

I consider both Bell and Joyboy to be scummy

Bell because of the perspective slip in 381 and claiming a treestump ability to cover it up, though the perspective slip indicates Bell scum and pooky town

and Joyboy because of reads with poor reasoning behind them and the excessive use of all caps to act as a "lol defense".

-TL

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Beeboy has made exactly 1 post btw and I'll TR whoever spots it.

who is beeboy?

-TL

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Beeboy has made exactly 1 post btw and I'll TR whoever spots it.

who is beeboy?

-TL

Hydra partner whose job it is to come get this slot TR'd so I can pull it back down.

oh okay

yeah idk lol

-TL

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and Joyboy because of reads with poor reasoning behind them and the excessive use of all caps to act as a "lol defense".

I'M BORED!
YOU BORE ME!

that is not a worthy attack

-TL

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VOTE: Joyboy

Bell is on an upward trend while Joyboy is continuing the all caps fluff posts

the Joyboy post that looks like a read list is hard for me to interpret but seems easy to fake

-TL

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14 pages already. I'll catch up in a bit

Did this happen?

not yet

pedit: Laplacian's read list appears to have a town mindset behind it so I'm inclined to give Laplacian a town read

-TL

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TemporalLich early D1 lead rist:

[Town]

PookyTheMagicalBear - Obvious town, spewed as town by Bell's perspective slip in 381
Firebringer - Very firebringer, don't see scum mindset here
Titus - Very towny imo, 601 is a good post
LadyTerminallyOffline - Very good at questioning and pushing
Laplacian - Has good reads in 646 backed by a town mindset
lemon.tangerine - has good reads in 590, somewhat town vibes
Doctor Drew - somewhat town vibes
Ircher - Somewhat game solvey
Sakura Hana - 264 seems like an okay post
Dunnstral - null read with an iota of a town read
Maid Cafe - null read tbh
Hu Tao - devoid of content
Bell - perspective slipped but has an upward trend of towniness
light_ganski - uhh idk
HolySpiritTurtle - still seems scummy, especially with 333
Joyboy - Very much fluff posting and hiding behind the fluff posts as a defense

[Scum]

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this was a TL post

-TL

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Joyboy is asking for ppl to post more, and doesn't do anything that i find of value imo. Soooo do what you will with said information

and that is proof that joyboy is hiding behind fluff posts as a defense

IF UR NAME IS HERE I WANT MEAT
BELL
LADYTERMINALLYOFFLINE
HU TAO
SAKURA HANA
DUNNSTRAL
MAID CAFE (WHERE'S MY ORDER?!?!?!)
RELATIVISTIC YOURMOTHER
LEMON.FOOD

also that changes the context of this post for me, I originally thought this was Joyboy's scumreads

-TL

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@Ircher Im not going to give an opinion on something i didn't read into much. I don't really know what the alleged "slip" is

presumably bell's 381?
but that's more based on what i've heard.
~rh

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Where is RH?

i'm here.
~rh

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fire away.
~rh

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fire away.
~rh

I'm just shocked by how few posts you have. You are letting Temporal lead. Why?

i've been busy irl.
i'll post more when i get the time.
~rh

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Its one of those things you use for reaction baiting and get more reasons to vote said person based on bad response but never as a case argument

See that’s what I thought then he never let up and let it ride and then other players that have no business thinking that based on their level of experiencing nodding there heads and agreeing and then adding on their own horrible ideas for why it’s a good idea to kill me.

It’s enough to drive a dog to drink.

i'm assuming you're talking about ircher here.
do you think it's ai for him to act as such?
~rh

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LTO's scumcase on Bell in 761 is airtight so the "upward trend" I was seeing was fake

don't really care about bell's ability to keep posting if bell has zero town mindset at all

VOTE: Bell

-TL

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i attempted to skim 789 and that post really does show that Bell is scum

-TL

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hu tao's burst of posts feels like thoughtstreaming to me so I'll say hu tao is seemingly townie



I do want to see what hu tao thinks of doctor drew though

-TL

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Why are you buying LTO so much for town, and what is so airtight about their case on Bell?

I do have a weird vibe about you here TL, you seem more safe then I remember.

it is too early to be looking for deepwolves and Bell's claim and perspective slip make bell look like scum regardless

I can't refute LTO's case so I think it is an airtight case.

also do I like need to seal myself in a bunker or safe capsule for good vibes?

-TL

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804 bothers me. But they can't lack self-awareness that they would just post the same as scum every time they're scum right.

and this is another scummy Bell post

I don't see how 804 isn't a towny post with genuine feeling

-TL

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What about that post points to their alignment being town?

the feelings conveyed by that post are from a town mindset and are real

that is towny, not NAI and definitely not scummy

-TL

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let's say LTO's case proves that Bell is acting anti-town regardless of alignment

therefore, Bell is scum even if Bell is town

-TL

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that being said, the only non-mech way I'll not SR Bell is for Bell to provide a lead rist

not a read list, a lead rist

LTO's fourth point in the case is very concerning and based on that case alone I don't think Bell has a town mindset

pedit: flips are mech

ppedit: again, flips are mech

but if you're anti-town regardless of alignment a flip won't be worth much

-TL

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ot a read list, a lead rist

tell me more about this lead rist

a lead rist in this context is when you order every alive player (other than you) from most town to most scum

653 is an example of a lead rist

-TL

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Why Drew?
~rh

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He seems fine to me IMHO.
~rh

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Because it says nothing and it's saccharine and they're usually more of a fire cracker.
Then again, I was told that was the exception.
But yeah. They barely exist.

I mean maybe Drew is just busy?
You can't expect him to always have the energy and time to meet up to expectations.
Really, I think it's nai for Drew here.
~rh

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Anyways, I'm going to a family friend's place tonight so I won't be around much.
~rh

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Hey, I don't actually know what the role is called.

I target someone during the day. Both of us are untargetable, we both get neighborized, and neither of us can use any other abilities.
If you think that claiming the neighbor part of that role would be the townie thing to do out the gate. Well, I disagree.

I'm only claiming that part because I'm about to be killed.

What is it called on your role pm? What do you mean you don't know what it is called?

You become untargetable when? During the night? During the same day? Does this ability stop you from being eliminated?

Night-day witness protection.
I know what my role does. But didn’t know if my requests were unique roles or had been invented before and had a name.
During the night. I use it during the day before day end and then it activates when night begins. It protects me and the other player from being targeted, we’re in a neighborhood.

that's cool.
so it lasts for two days?
~rh

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tree stump is a modifier tho last i remember andcwe didnt choose modifiers

i'm pretty sure bell is trueclaiming there and treestump is a passive role.
~rh

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tbh i'm going to UNVOTE: bell.
~rh

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VOTE: joyboy
i feel like they've contributed less and will probably be harder to read as time goes on.
bell, on the other hand, will probably show his true colours sooner or later.
and i'm worried that this will turn out to be yet another game where i misread bell because his playstyle is naturally scummy.
~rh

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tbh wondering if its worth for me claim my modifiers or not due to a could reasons

if you want.
tho i'd recommend waiting until you're run up to e-1.
claiming too early will benefit scum.
~rh

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those are actually pretty powerful abilities imo.
~rh

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that being said i'm guessing scum would probably want to avoid killing you now since they know you could get them an extra kill.
~rh

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anyways, i'm off to sleep now.
gn.
~rh

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still

@
Joyboy i want a indepth read on Hu tao, not just "Fight"

Spoiler: Indepth hu tao read

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

yeah Joyboy is scum

When I get a solid case, then I launch into murder mode.

What. When. No I don't care. Moon Titus. Mysterious.
i'm going back to posting notes in my PT.

VOTE: Drew

okay what

I'm inclined to think drew is town based on this confusing post

really do need an actual explanation on the drew vote that isn't moon logic

-TL

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Iso Drew and tell me they deserve to live that doesn't involve you being masons with them.

good opening in 83

221 is scummy but Drew has towny vibes regardless of alignment so not willing to scumread Drew for that

254 is a towny post

and 794 has town mindset behind it

oh and 853 is a medium risk play



Doctor Drew acts towny regardless of alignment so I kind of have to townread Doctor Drew because I have no mech or deepwolfiness to go off of.

pedit: welp nevermind, that's an associative

frick

-TL

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drew, what your thoughts on the votes on you?
~rh

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How many votes are on me? Didn't even check

2 from memory.
they're maid cafe and bell.
i don't remember bell's reasoning but maid cafe claimed it was for 'pressure'.
~rh

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from memory, your reaction to maid cafe's post didn't seem to be that serious.
~rh

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so i'm interested to hear if you think they're genuinely voting for pressure or are just using it to justify themselves.
p-edit: @drew
~rh

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Good news everyone, I’m a tree stump forever when I die.

that's amazing.
btw, have you confirmed with ffery on what happens if you were to be killed but you are protected by a rolestopper or something?
~rh

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i meant doc.
~rh

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wait.
both doc and rolestopper.
how would your ability function in each scenario?
~rh
p-edit: @bell

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or say if you use your witness protection and scum tries to kill you (cause they're super dumb).
what happens then?

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this was me btw.
~rh
p-edit: it's mostly out of curiosity and because of one of our abilities.

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or say if you use your witness protection and scum tries to kill you (cause they're super dumb).
what happens then?

Nothing. Because I can’t be affected, they could shoot me over the second night though.

i see.
~rh

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You should consult with TL before giving away that sort of information. They’re good at the role stuff. Let them benefit you by relying on their strengths.

What’s that? You didn’t ask for advice?
Well, I never.

tl is thinking of claiming that ability publicly d2.
it is confirmable though.
~rh

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true.
~rh

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I’m sure you’re all thrilled.

I was an IC Tree Stump once.

The most boring game of mafia I ever played.

~rh

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*crosses finger*
Role blocking works. I will not tree stump if role blocked and then killed.

i see.
~rh

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LTO's scumcase on Bell in 761 is airtight so the "upward trend" I was seeing was fake

don't really care about bell's ability to keep posting if bell has zero town mindset at all

VOTE: Bell

-TL

Is scum treestump even a thing?
That would be annoying to play against.

scum treestump can defintely exist.
being a treestump doesn't make you mechanically town.
agreed tho that scum treestump would be annoying to play against.
~rh

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857, 859, 861, 863.
What is even all this, there's no context, idk if you're posting thread post numbers your ISO post numbers, someone else's ISO post numbers. I'm confused.

i think it's just bell posting his thoughts on the first 5 or 6 pages.
~rh

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I'm not sure about voting Dunnstral but I don't really like post 1071 as that post townreads scummy posts

so at this point I'm not against a Dunnstral lim but would prefer to be able to put Dunnstral in the tent

-TL

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I can’t tell if Dunn was serious with their early push on Ircher. I’m not complaining, but I can never read that guy.

I was serious, I think Ircher was being weird.

okay this post I consider extremely strange


considering 258 (the post this post was referring to) was a strange opening post, this post just gives that post a scummy context

-TL

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lemon aubergine's readslist is fine (631)

646 is the first laplacian post I actually like the reads make sense and I don't see scum making this at all hmmmmmmmmm
i'll have to re-sort you

relativistic's reads also look town minded (653) even if very vibes based

the perspective shift on laplacian means I'm gonna have to go back over that interaction between him and joyboy
i think ircher looks null for now. I can try and sort this later on
sakura hana is another one I forgot was in this game. and hu tao for that matter.

kinda feel this post has a town mindset behind it

-TL

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this alteration of position is because I ISO skimmed Dunnstral after seeing the Dunnstral wagon

and my ISO skim didn't get good vibes this time

also... that post kinda ruins the towniness of Dunnstral's opening post by making it serious and not memey

-TL

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That looked Memey to you? How.
Your perspective is so weird, I don't know what to make it of it lol.

it looked like that post wasn't meant to be taken too seriously

therefore, a memey post that is content



in the lens of that post being a serious post however, it is scummy because being memey is towny

-TL

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1074 is a scummy post even without context however as I don't think Dunnstral's Ircher read comes from a town mindset

-TL

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the [citation needed] gave it away that it was a memey post that wouldn't be out of place in RVS

-TL

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Is it because all RH head has done so far is making comments about roles and subtly defending Drew?

It's between RH9's non-presence in the game and some of the controversial takes TemporalLich has made this game.

Would you like a reads list from me?
~rh

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I'll post one later today if I get the time.
~rh

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Why? Seems like a basic catchup post

the thoughtstreams conveyed by that post seem like town thoughtstreams

-TL

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Dunn is the bait.

what do you mean by this?

-TL

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Lim bait. There's no valid reason to FoS Dunn and Dunn's detractors are people looking to move away from Bell.

I'm not completely convinced Bell is scum and my scumread on Bell is mostly based on the perspective slip.

Joyboy would be the ideal lim today but I'd be fine with a Dunnstral lim.



what I really want today is for Dunnstral to post posts that are unplanned and thoughtstreamy. Dunnstral's ISO looks vaguely like scum trying to be townread but ideally I'd want that hypothesis disproven.

pedit:

uhh... does that mean bell is likely scum this game?

-TL

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bell's evolving claims do support the hypothesis that Bell is worried about being eliminated

-TL

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VOTE: Bell

pooky's hypothesis is definitely holding up

-TL

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pooky, you don't seem to think bell is town yet you're not voting him.
is there a reason for this?
~rh

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pooky, you don't seem to think bell is town yet you're not voting him.
is there a reason for this?
~rh

They answered this. They can’t actually vote town.

i see. i haven't fully caught up but i see tl moved our vote (without asking me) to you.
~rh

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oops. my bad.
i didn't realise he was being serious lol.
~rh
p-edit: @bell

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i'll be having dinner now.
so don't expect me to reply for a while.
~rh

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Actually, no, dont bother, ill just ignore any meta arguments from here on out
VOTE: Pooky

VOTE: Pooky

explain why you would vote obvious town that was townspewed by a perspective slip

this applies to both Sakura Hana and Bell

without an explanation I am treating this as a scumclaim

-TL

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BELL AND DUNN CAN BE ON THE SAME PIRATE CREW

this is actually a good post what

kinda want some reasoning but this is still a statement of associatives

-TL

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Or you’re scum.
I dunno.
I’m not mafia.

Your posts have a depressing lack of a ground floor for reasoning. Ironic really given your requests for reasoning.

you say that but you don't give any reasoning for your Pooky vote besides that I'm apparently mediocre at this game

-TL

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I have a massive issue with a recent post that has me MUCH worried there was an ACTUAL perspective slip here; and I will go past my bed time to talk about it if I must, but I would much rather a few of you unvote and I can address it tomorrow with a fresh brain and with others having checked in.

Please? I will ask nicely and make you french toast.

sure.
~rh

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UNVOTE: bell
~rh

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rh

in fact bell even claiming that he expected he might get voted out in

this game

is the SUREST tell that he is definitely mafia because town!Bell never expects to get mis-eliminated

in fact he even had some long ass streak of never getting mis-eliminated like ever that I finally broke in Pokemon because he's sooooo obviously town when he's town that its basically impossible to yeet him.

i disagree tbh, because the guy has treestump sooo

i thought bell said that he chose treestump for reasons other than because he thought he would be eliminated?
also in general, choosing treestump ≠ expecting to be eliminated
~rh

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in fact bell even claiming that he expected he might get voted out in

this game

is the SUREST tell that he is definitely mafia because town!Bell never expects to get mis-eliminated

in fact he even had some long ass streak of never getting mis-eliminated like ever that I finally broke in Pokemon because he's sooooo obviously town when he's town that its basically impossible to yeet him.

i disagree tbh, because the guy has treestump sooo

i thought bell said that he chose treestump for reasons other than because he thought he would be eliminated?
also in general, choosing treestump ≠ expecting to be eliminated
~rh

EBWOP
~rh

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You got 15 more pages to change your mind pooky.

i'll change my mind when you get fferylt to change your role pm

Hey bear, it’s your humiliation not mine. *smirk*

this is the perspective slip I'm referring to that spews Pooky as town fwiw

-TL

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even discounting that I don't think Pooky has ever had a scum mindset this game as of this post

hence, pooky is obvtown

pedit: oh my god I got disproven by a pedit

why

why did you imply I should be voted out by policy

-TL

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do you want us to claim yet?
(just in case, we get eliminated while both of us are asleep.)
~rh

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You...

You are threatening BELL as to why he doesn't act upon a perspective slip that you claim a mafia aligned BELL made.

Okay I am going to go find a large bottle of liquor and go to sleep I cannot handle this any more.

it's Day 1 so I have no mech to go off of

but I was giving Bell a nth chance

-TL

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the last time I yeeted RH for a scumslip tho he flipped town granted this is TL but still it's actually wild how often you lose games on mafiascum because your teammates can't help scumslipping all over themselves

i'm getting the feeling that maybe both me and tl have the same problem here.
~rh

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the post exists regardless of Bell's alignment

-TL

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i think that i'm going to talk to tlich in our hydra pt that his definition of slip is off.
~rh

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I'm gonna go to sleep gnight don't do anything silly while I'm asleep

pinky promise.
~rh

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the last time I yeeted RH for a scumslip tho he flipped town granted this is TL but still it's actually wild how often you lose games on mafiascum because your teammates can't help scumslipping all over themselves

Yeah I was in that game it was crazy.

They said there was only 2 vanilla townies when they were a claimed vanilla townie and 2 vanilla townies were dead. They were town.

I'm not sure why they are so confident in Bell having perspective slipped when they make posts like that themselves.

TLich's the one who thinks Bell slipped. I haven't really.
~RH

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I mean I might've brought it up but I don't think I was uber confident or anything and I did say that Bell was townish to me.
The votes on Bell from our hydra has been TLich's doing without consultation from me.
~RH

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TBH I should probably take a break from the game and go to sleep instead of having to fix up problems made because TLich has a nonstandard definition of a slip.
~RH

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Good night y'all.
~RH

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If anybody wants anything from me, I'll be here tomorrow.
Hopefully in a better mental state.
~RH

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And yes, the frustration is genuine.
~RH

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TBH I should probably take a break from the game and go to sleep instead of having to fix up problems made because TLich has a nonstandard definition of a slip.
~RH

my definition of a slip is standard

I'm saying that Bell's perspective is that of scum in 381

I've also learned to not take slips at 100% face value so I'm still asking Bell to provide reasoning for voting Pooky

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[Relativistic Harmony]

also pooky is town and not mafia

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[Relativistic Harmony]

but apparently it is impossible to perspective slip as town so pooky is apparently scum

like what in the universe is this mercury logic (not even moon logic at this point)?

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[Relativistic Harmony]

but apparently it is impossible to perspective slip as town so pooky is apparently scum

like what in the universe is this mercury logic (not even moon logic at this point)?

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Where did Pooky perspective slip?

nowhere

I never say pooky perspective slipped, I said pooky was spewed as town by Bell's perspective slip

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[Relativistic Harmony]

Well then I don't get what you are saying in 1748.

apparently I should scumread pooky because if bell is town then bell did not perspective slip so pooky is not spewed town

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[Relativistic Harmony]

When catching up I was leaning scum on Pooky because I don't think Bell is mafia and I do think the push has been looking like how Pooky plays as mafia, as Bell has pointed out.

However I think the last few pages where they are pointing out the flaws in Relativistic Harmony's logic looks like Pooky's town game instead.

Well the last game I played where I spoke to a player about their internal logic not making sense they just didn't "get it" when I explained it to them and instead got defensive about their alignment. This happened here

I'm seeing something similar from Relativistic Harmony here. In post 1694 they talk about how, even without the perspective slip, Pooky is obvious town to them, but I say this is them being confused of what they are being accused of here. They initially said there was a perspective slip and so why would they be voting for Pooky. Basically what they are responding with here is trying to defend themselves but not really addressing the points being made... and from my experience this disconnect means they are more likely to be mafia. I was also souring on them while catching up.

VOTE: Relativistic Harmony

probably this post

if not then i have no idea and should probably just sleep

pedit: bell's evolving claims are also something I scumread bell for

also if bell was confirmed scum I wouldn't be asking bell to explain the vote on pooky

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[Relativistic Harmony]

I'm back now.
I'll read up and post later.
~rh

[Relativistic Harmony]

I don't get the sudden wagon on Maid Cafe...

Joyboy's response to the wagon is towny as well

Anyway i've done my due dilligence, your follow up doesnt give me the impression that you're approaching Bell in good faith, which is a scum trait, and now you're doing the same to me, where you're apparently expecting me to throw a big ass town case of Bell showing all his scumhunting, where i threw majority of the scumhunting posts i could find during an ISO, which is something anyone can do btw, and then pick and choosing some to try to dig a hole into my argument so that you can keep pretending Bell is scum.
This isn't a town mindset, you're not scum hunting, you're ignoring evidence that doesn't support your idea of Bell scum and throwing it away, and digging holes into whatever you can to try to undermine my argument instead.
VOTE: Pooky
I'm done reasoning with you.

I'll take this as valid reasoning for a Pooky vote

I really don't think Pooky is scum in any universe but you do have a town mindset

I do ask everyone else.
Does anyone honestly believe Bell has done no scumhunting this game?

I don't believe Bell hasn't done scumhunting this game

Sorry to say lemon, but the way Pooky's approaching Bell, which as i said earlier, is bad faith, is pretty much why i think Pooky is scum.

bad faith does not equal scum, but it is a valid reason to scum someone for.

this does not indicate a town mindset

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[Relativistic Harmony]

why don't i have a town mindset?

you were saying that bad faith isn't scummy but it is scummy

that would effectively give scum an easy way to deflect any argument about bad faith

-TL

[Relativistic Harmony]

what? ok let me rephrase this since clearly you did not understand.

bad faith doesnt always mean someone is scum, but i can see why you scum pooky for it.

As in Town can be bad faithful aswell, aka tunneling for not great reasons

ebwop

I do not scumread pooky, pooky is still top read for me

but I guess that makes sense

Now why aren't you happy with the Maid cafe wagon?

I don't know why people are voting Maid Cafe and I currently cannot sort Maid Cafe

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[Relativistic Harmony]

Harmony, join in and find out why maid is a wagon. If you arent sorting them, then you're fine with pressure right? They only have 2-3 votessss

I'll wait to hear what RH thinks

but I would say Maid Cafe is in the PoE solely because I can't sort Maid Cafe

-TL

[Relativistic Harmony]

I no longer scumread Joyboy due to recent posts from Joyboy

mainly, asking for clarification on LTO's push on me

-TL

[Relativistic Harmony]

Why did you stop posting in the neighborhood?

nothing to talk about really

this is D1 and my reads are still speculation at best since I have no mech to back them up

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[Relativistic Harmony]

They said you were standoffish in the neighborhood. What do you think they were referring to?

RH stopped posting in it too. Do you know their reasons? Did you communicate about whether to keep posting or did it naturally slide off?

no idea, probably referring to lack of content

also no idea, I would assume the posting naturally faded out

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[Relativistic Harmony]

TemporalLich late D1 lead rist:

[Town]

PookyTheMagicalBear - starting to think Pooky might be scum but Pooky is still spewed as town by Bell's perspective slip in 381
Titus - Still very towny, with 1643 being a good post
Firebringer - Gamesolvey for some strange reason
light_ganski - posts like 1318 give me confidence
Laplacian - Still towny imo
Ircher - Still somewhat game solvey
Hu Tao - Towny vibes I guess?
Sakura Hana - same reason as Hu Tao
LadyTerminallyOffline - That stuff about the neighborhood is making me hesitate on LTO being town
Bell - Extremely solvey, but the perspective slip is still worrying
HolySpiritTurtle - Pretty low key town, 1797 seems like an okay read list
Joyboy - Has actually been quite towny lately
lemon.tangerine - posts feel easy to post as scum
Doctor Drew - hard to sort
Maid Cafe - hard to sort but I would say Maid Cafe is scum
Dunnstral - maybe scummy I guess

[Scum]

yeah this lead rist is not looking good...

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[Relativistic Harmony]

I'm apparently at E-2 so that means I'm under pressure so that meant I need to hard antispew to be townread

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[Relativistic Harmony]

I don't get why my lead rist is scumreadable

isn't antispew townreadable?

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[Relativistic Harmony]

no isn't bussing scummy?

if I want to vote it should be a good faith vote

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[Relativistic Harmony]

no isn't bussing scummy?

if I want to vote it should be a good faith vote

-TL

I mean, I am already bussing you

technically I could vote you for that but I'd rather ask for reasoning

why would you vote me in bad faith? have I screwed up this game badly so that I'm scum even if I'm town?

-TL

[Relativistic Harmony]

I'm still going to need reasoning for your vote on me.

-TL

[Relativistic Harmony]

Also you have Bell as 7th from the bottom when you've placed Pooky at the top for the same reason, so that doesn't seem consistent.

I put both Bell and Pooky in the townier positions on the lead rist

the quantum state has not collapsed yet so I can't tell who should be placed in the scummier position

Bell's scummy position on the lead rist is at the bottom, while Pooky would be between Dunnstral and Maid Cafe as being hard to sort (as Pooky has been obvious town early D1)

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[Relativistic Harmony]

I need to hear more about the quantum state

if bell flips town that disproves the perspective slip and makes you likely to be scum

if bell flips scum that proves the perspective slip and makes you effectively confirmed town

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[Relativistic Harmony]

I highly doubt bell and pooky are co-aligned

pedit: why would you ask me to think about that quantum state if I were scum?

I'm not sure how my flip would alter the quantum state

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[Relativistic Harmony]

ebwop:

pedit question was directed to pooky

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[Relativistic Harmony]

my townread on light_ganski is based on an ISO skim so yeah I guess?

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[Relativistic Harmony]

I need less wim so I can meme for townread

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[Relativistic Harmony]

ebwop: meme for towncred

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[Relativistic Harmony]

...

I didn't even get to fullclaim

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[Relativistic Harmony]

I wanted to wait for RH to post or being put in the tent before fullclaiming

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[Relativistic Harmony]

Rh, you can still fullclaim

I'd want RH to post before fullclaiming ideally

or I'd fullclaim when I'm in the tent as a last ditch effort

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[Relativistic Harmony]

Rh, you can still fullclaim

I'd want RH to post before fullclaiming ideally

or I'd fullclaim when I'm in the tent as a last ditch effort

-TL

Why are you waiting for RH?

RH was frustrated at my posts

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[Relativistic Harmony]

You pretty much are

idk who is intending to hammer

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[Relativistic Harmony]

So you think they would be frustrated at you claiming at E-1 (especially considering the mod thought you were hammered)? I don't think I buy that.

yes indeed

claiming is not something I can take back

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[Relativistic Harmony]

however, getting eliminated D1 is even less something I can take back

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[Relativistic Harmony]

i don't know why u guys bother with RH claim here. It isn't like theres a claim that will magically make u guys townread the slot lol

taking this as intent to hammer so

my abilities would be this:

protect someone from non-town abilities (like rolestop but town players ignore that rolestop)
revive a dead player as a treestump (the dead can post?!)
check if a player is a chosen role or not, regenerates if failed (the archetypal claim verifier)

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[Relativistic Harmony]

Or giving some examples of how it works?

if player A is not town and targeting player B and I use my first ability on player B, player A's action will fail

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[Relativistic Harmony]

That tree stump revival thing sounds moderately useful.

Which is why I wanted to see more wim to believe it's town.

I need to play the game with drastically less wim

people say I'm too much of a serious poster

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[Relativistic Harmony]

Are you novice on any of those abilities RH?

are you speaking to us collectively?

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[Relativistic Harmony]

Are you novice on any of those abilities RH?

are you speaking to us collectively?

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Presumably.
Anyways, our first ability is indeed novice.
~RH

[Relativistic Harmony]

I'm waiting on a response to 2299 by RH

no response

-TL

[Relativistic Harmony]

I cannot respond in a way that would be antispew and wouldn't be damaging to towncred

-TL