Blitz 21 - Hope plus One ―kibou― [End]

[Ankamius]

Hi.

[Ankamius]

Ankamius did nothing wrong.

[Ankamius]

Glad we could come to a consensus. We'll meet again next week.

[Ankamius]

KT was your read on Antihero serious?

[Ankamius]

Do you have serious reads then? If PC is your only one, then go into more detail since your activity point doesn't make any sense.

[Ankamius]

No, but he's the easiest to sort right now.

[Ankamius]

RC paranoia is a thing, but it doesn't mean people are willing or able to lynch me in day phase, particularly not after I led a lynch on an uber strong scum PR.

I am usually good at strongarming lynches and sounding genuine and convincing and shit.

It's true though that thread temperature would have changed in response to that and it might have taken me a few day phases.

just one of a few things that Plot said on the topic.

Also.

No, but he's the easiest to sort right now.

He'll be the easiest to sort later as well.

Vote Scatterplot.

Nah. I'll sort that slot when I get around to it. I'm not at that point yet.

[Ankamius]

I avoid wall slots until I already have a grasp on the game. It's better for my sanity that way.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Sakura Hana

[Ankamius]

Are you satisfied RC? I found my high priority sort.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Sakura Hana

You just voted one of my town reads, why?

I read Sakura based on her wording and tone together, and it looks very very not-town this game.

[Ankamius]

Sakura is obv. town for hard stances

This is disgustingly scummy, too.

[Ankamius]

Current guess: Ankamius (inb4 OMGUS), Scatter, Wisdom.

Ankmaius was someone i wanted to sort early but he showed no interest and ignored me for the duration of it until after i decided to push Wisdom instead, normal town Ank would've OMGUS'd immediately and not after.

...what?

This logic is so stretched out that I can't even see either end of it anymore. The assumptions you're making just in this one line is ridiculous.

VOTE: Sakura Hana

You just voted one of my town reads, why?

I read Sakura based on her wording and tone together, and it looks very very not-town this game.

I read Sakura based on her wording and tone, I think it's town

Cool. Enjoy being wrong, then.

[Ankamius]

@Ank can you really be wrong with a tell, though?

Sakura and I have extensive experience with each other. Just going by statistics, the odds of me being right over you are pretty high.

...what?

This logic is so stretched out that I can't even see either end of it anymore. The assumptions you're making just in this one line is ridiculous.

Is logic i've figured from experience.

Occam's razor would say that I didn't think your vote on me was scummy or worth pressuring and I found other reasons to pressure you later on.

[Ankamius]

Occam's razor would say that I didn't think your vote on me was scummy or worth pressuring and I found other reasons to pressure you later on.

That's a pretty elaborate explanation for something you're calling Occam's razor.

It's a hell of a lot simpler than me waiting until your focus is off of me to accept your engage on me and pull your focus back onto me like you are claiming.

[Ankamius]

He did shit all in Cougar's Den

That's literally why we lynched him

Like I'm pretty sure you said "you're not doing anything" as justification for it

So don't give me that

~Spiffy

That's not a good game to base that meta on me from since I was very active from the start of the game to when d3x had to stop playing, then from after I replaced the hydra to when I got lynched.

That's far less indicative of me being inactive due to me being scum and more me being inactive due to outside influences.

[Ankamius]

FTR activity is literally the worst possible metric anyone can use to try to read me. I have every level of activity you can think of in at least one game as both alignments.

[Ankamius]

Is there a condensed version of the Scatterplot case?

[Ankamius]

VOTE: PhantomCobalt

Just saw his posts on this page. There's no way this slot is town.

[Ankamius]

The way he responded to KT's 'meta point' on him is just the latest thing of his that is making my gut cramp up.

[Ankamius]

The way he responded to KT's 'meta point' on him is just the latest thing of his that is making my gut cramp up.

^
Scum

I'm waiting.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Sakura Hana

Wisdom, you're wrong about Sakura Hana.

This

is scum.
It is not scum bussing.

It is just scum. Being opportunistic.

VOTE: phantomcobalt

While I need more time to be sure (there is the

possibility

of PhantomCobalt being scum), PhantomCobalt looks like the shiny to me.
As in, flashy and distracting, but ultimately not scum.
Sort of like a less-vocal version of Ashnard.

I'd much prefer we focus on talah/Ktthecreeper/Ankamius. Especially given this:

This is disgustingly scummy, too.

What the fuck, is

anyone

town this game?

[Ankamius]

RC: What do you think about the gamestate right now? The more I think about it, the more I think that town is in a much more dangerous position than we think.

[Ankamius]

As an addendum to the above, I think the Scatterplot wagon is a trap.

[Ankamius]

The more I think about it, the more I think that town is in a much more dangerous position than we think.

Why would you say this ominously and not like

Go into detail or explain why

PEdit: Is that the only reason for this statement?

~Spiffy

Talah is town.
Expedience is town.
KTthecreeper is town.
RC is a player that tends to tunnel whatever he's focusing on to the exclusion of basically everyone else. It's safe to have him just tunnel Scatterplot to death and not mess with him since it will distract two of the strongest player slots.
Antihero gets treated exactly as he usually does when he's town and I'm easy to remove from the game solely by forcing me into apathy.

That's everyone I either have seen town posts from or (in Scatterplot's case) are more likely town via putting the pieces together.

I'm getting a very bad feeling that scum are taking control of the game and the kickback on me after I started going after Sakura only makes that feeling worse.

[Ankamius]

What are you talking about? I've played with your town-game three times just off the top of my head.

I'm reading you based on how I'm reading the gamestate; I forgot to mention that before since Scatterplot was at the forefront of my mind when I stated that.

[Ankamius]

entrance

[Ankamius]

Then pay more attention, because that wasn't the first time I have called PhantomCobalt scum, or even given reads on people that aren't him.

[Ankamius]

Me taking a while to get going in games isn't new. It's actually pretty rare for that not to happen.

[Ankamius]

Which of my three is wrong, Sakura? Phantom?

Well, I see both Expedience and PhantomCobalt as about the same levels of town. I could be wrong about one of them, but I wouldn't know which.

Ankamius scumclaimed on that page especially with this post, though:

What the fuck, is anyone town this game?

Discredit me based on my pushes being opportunistic when you get your own scumreads that aren't even more opportunistic.

[Ankamius]

RC what are your reads outside of Scatterplot?

[Ankamius]

Hiplop do we have any reads that intersect?

I'm fine with wagons on Ranger, Sakura Hana, and PhantomCobalt right now.

[Ankamius]

Spiff my policy is to treat all replaces as null.

And I would be okay with sakura, ank.

Sure.

VOTE: Sakura Hana

[Ankamius]

zzz

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Sakura Hana

[Ankamius]

Also you're wrong and you should be right or at least somewhat right, and you should be attempting to read me, and you're not.

VOTE: talah

Yep, I'm on board now.

[Ankamius]

Also you're wrong and you should be right or at least somewhat right, and you should be attempting to read me, and you're not.

This was at RC btw if it wasn't obvious

...

I don't buy this.

[Ankamius]

Also you're wrong and you should be right or at least somewhat right, and you should be attempting to read me, and you're not.

VOTE: talah

Yep, I'm on board now.

Explain why.

Your response to pressure isn't town.

[Ankamius]

Also you're wrong and you should be right or at least somewhat right, and you should be attempting to read me, and you're not.

This was at RC btw if it wasn't obvious

1. The assertion itself is wrong no matter who you levy it at.
2. The timing of when you made the two posts are really really awkward.

AKA it makes you sound really panicked. AKA scum cracking under pressure.

[Ankamius]

It's really telling when none of your response makes any sense.

[Ankamius]

I see Wisdom is still determined to be as aggressively wrong as he can. Nothing new here.

[Ankamius]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

VOTE: PhantomCobalt

[Ankamius]

RC: Talah flips town. Is Expedience still scum?

[Ankamius]

RC: Talah flips town. Is Expedience still scum?

Ankamius - let's talk about Scatterplot please.

My impression of Plotinus is that she's going to be difficult for me to read.
I haven't gotten my own impression of Ether yet.

My read is leaning town due to the overall gamestate.

That's literally the extent of all my thoughts regarding that slot.

[Ankamius]

Ok, I'm confident RC is town now.

[Ankamius]

My impression of Plotinus is that she's going to be difficult for me to read.
I haven't gotten my own impression of Ether yet.

My read is leaning town due to the overall gamestate.

That's literally the extent of all my thoughts regarding that slot.

Please comment on my case and look through the links I gave. You not having an impression on Ether itself should be a concern. When Ether is town, she makes a large impression on the playerlist and isn't one to stay in the shadows.

I think your Mad King Ashnard townread is a bit premature as well. Their play around Scatterplot makes no sense.

Let me read RC my own way. I'll catch him eventually if he's scum.

[Ankamius]

I am concerned about Ank townreading me as well, considering I've taken several games off him as scum where he townread me for much of the game.

It feels a bit iffy.

I only remember seeing your scumgame twice.

The first time, I was inactive for the entire game and barely even followed along, but was able to find your mistakes when LyLo hit and I needed to be active in order to win the game.
The second time, I was onto you since mid-day 2 and you had to work around me to get the mislynches you needed.

[Ankamius]

Let me read RC my own way. I'll catch him eventually if he's scum.

That's fair but why are you townreading him in the first place now.

And please do comment on my case on Scatterplot. I'm surprised a lot of people just glossed over it and haven't said a word about it until I started prodding them.

Because the way you read RC is by how he attacks people. I'm not ruling out the possibility that he understood what I was getting at with my question and worked around it, but his response was town enough that I'm not going to worry about it for a while.

[Ankamius]

You're referring to which with the second? cuz we've played 3 at least.

You're right, I missed one.

The second one was the newbie game. The one I missed was the one ActionDan modded.

[Ankamius]

Ocean: I'm not all that convinced, mainly because removing meta from it removes most of the teeth in that case. I have to analyze cases like that to have a particular opinion on them and I absolutely refuse to look into games that I was never in. What's there without the meta points looks like it could easily just be personality tells to me, so shrug.

[Ankamius]

Share what?

[Ankamius]

It's not a specific thing that I'm aware of. Rereading this should give you a better idea of how I think about it.

[Ankamius]

Well you should be looking into other games then. This is slam dunk case of someone who's town and scum play are miles apart to the point where they are one of the easiest players to read on site.

No. If several people make the same claim to the point where it would be extremely illogical for it to be a scum push, then I'll accept people's word about someone's meta. Until then, I'm treating all meta cases as null at best. One of my biggest pet peeves is when people make BS meta cases when they have no personal experience playing with that person, so I absolutely refuse to try to meta read two players I have no experience playing with (not including hitchcock since I died basically as Plotinus replaced in).

This is not aimed at you specifically, but this type of reasoning is why anyone who is scumreading Antihero at all this game is straight up not paying any attention to the game.

Why are you dismissing them as "could just be personality tells" when you don't know that that is the case?

ew. This question reeks.

Regardless of meta, what scumhunting has Ether done in this game?

What I've noticed from Ether is similar shit I do when I'm falling behind and trying to catch up, so I'm less hesitant to give it a pass for the moment.

[Ankamius]

Ankamius - my problem is that you are refusing to even consider Scatterplot as scum almost as a policy. You are essentially saying "Meta? Nah. Ignore." That strikes me as a very shallow method of scumhunting where you are categorically dismissing everything scummy about Scatterplot under a blanket label of meta.

Without meta, are you townreading Scatterplot? Is there a reason you are being so charitable to Ether's lack of contribution? Ether isn't a player who falls behind and fades out while trying to catch up.

I don't care if you think my question reeks. What I'd like to know is why you are so willing to assume that the points I brought up against Scatterplot are personality tells. Which ones do you think are personality tells?

Post 166: More details into why this is scummy. Trying to manipulate Ranger with this post is only likely in my eyes if ranger has other scum in her sights at that point, which doesn't make much sense to me unless you're scum as well (since the only other slot I have an active scumread in that half of the readslist is Sakura Hana, whom I'm not quite as sure about anymore) and you didn't give any other scumreads up to this point that indicate you thought along the same lines.
Post 476: talah and KTthecreeper were popular scumreads at the time. Wisdom was a popular townread. I'm not convinced by the ranger point because I remember ranger responding to 166 at some point saying that a lot of what Plotinus said was reasonably accurate and I've seen a lot of people give out townreads early on as town for people that come to the same conclusions as them. Expedience is a wildcard since the last mention before that post is a townread and the next mention after it is a vote. You could make a case that the reads list is opportunistic to an extent, but what you're accusing it of being is not what I see it as.

Post 236: This isn't scummy at all. 1v1 wallfests are fucking awful to read and do absolutely nothing to forward the game, so Ether specifically calling for a 1v1 wallfest to end is reasonable as town.
Post 230: This is the only point that has teeth in it. This post IS weird now that I look back at it. It's not enough to override any of my other scumreads, but it's a start.

Now stop misrepping me.

[Ankamius]

The problem with your first point is that just discussing reads with her like you're suggesting is a safer option than what she actually did, and is far likely to result in her making a tactical mistake and tipping Ranger off that the townread miiiiiight have been given out too early. It's early enough in the game that reads can change on a dime for weak reasoning.

I'm not willing to vote based on the reads point because a lot of people's reads this game are pretty bad/opportunistic right now FMPOV and not all of them can be scum, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

You're underestimating just how much apathy 1v1 wallfests create. As someone who has taken part in a lot of these, my experience states that virtually nobody likes or wants to engage them.

[Ankamius]

I looked back at Hitchcock and agree that it's not as simple as trying to blend into the background and be safe. Plot openly went after the single most difficult player to 1v1 and went all out on it once day began.

[Ankamius]

I'm here if anyone wants to talk.

[Ankamius]

I don't have the ability to make well thought out, detailed posts ATM, so YMMV.

[Ankamius]

I lightly skim games I'm not playing in. That type of thing falls under the same thing that I was bitching about earlier regarding meta, so I'm wary to analyze them based on that game regardless.

[Ankamius]

Regardless, the activity in that game was low enough that I doubt the game can even be compared to a relatively high activity game like this one.

[Ankamius]

Both of the leading wagons are likely town.

[Ankamius]

Just a quick glance at the wagons gives me an eh feeling on both of them.

Either I already have a good grasp on the game state and scum are in a good spot or I'm completely off. One of the two is right.

[Ankamius]

heres ank reprising his role as scum buttplug

I don't have this sig for no reason.

But serious mode, I've had these two reads for forever now. Neither of these should be surprising to anyone.

[Ankamius]

Ether, what do you think about the gamestate right now?

[Ankamius]

Like, as a whole.

It's really disturbing me that I seem to be seeing a different game than anyone else and I want to figure out either where I went wrong or what I'm seeing that no one else is.

[Ankamius]

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[Ankamius]

I think you're town. Antihero's town. Hiplop feels town for admitting to Plotinus that he couldn't understand them, even though what they were getting at seems obvious to me, um...I think other people are townreading hiplop for other things but that's the only thing that ever left an impression on me.

I'm just going to run with the vague townfeels for Firebringer thing for now, that's the best I can do.

I...think Sakura's town but I think I could be missing something? I don't know her scumgame. I know I find her kind of annoying, which was also true for her towngame in 1656, but kind of less pronounced here, but I think it's more likely to come from her as town.

Wisdom feels off. I don't actually have any clue how to read him and I am pretty sure I got lucky last time, but still.

Despite never feeling the talah wagon based on my actual catch-up, Plotinus did point out that talah was a lot less flaily when he got strung up as town in Mini 1742. He could be scum? There is nothing scummy about OceanWind's attack on me, but I can't read him until I pull him off. Scum or town, he believed this before he got his role.

Ranger is lurking.

Expedience and Phantom are my best bets for scum.

Trebuchet is completely under my radar. It's weird that Raskol isn't talking in the Ashnard hydra, buuuuuuuuuuut.

-Ether

Sakura's the single biggest question mark I have right now. All my past experience with her is telling me that she's literally confscum but my gut's telling me that I'm missing something critical that makes her more likely to be town.

[Ankamius]

Town:
Antihero
Expedience
Firebringer
hiplop
Mad King Ashnard
Scatterplot

Null:
Trebuchet MS
Wisdom

Scum:
OceanWind
PhantomCobalt
Ranger
Sakura Hana

---

This is roughly where my reads are right now.

[Ankamius]

My reads list is ordered alphabetically, not by order of read strength.

Sakura's the read I'm least sure of, not the nullest.

[Ankamius]

I order/format things according to whatever I feel like at the time. There's no rhyme or reason to it that I can point to.

[Ankamius]

Although really, that reads list is probably better taken as how much effort it would take to get me on board a particular wagon today since we're very close to deadline.

[Ankamius]

FJKASDLKJFASKLFJKLASDJLKASJKLF

VOTE: Sakura Hana

[Ankamius]

am I really so bad at this game?

[Ankamius]

I expected to be instawagoned today

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Sakura Hana

Actually, it makes a ton of sense for her to attack me the way she did if she's scum here with the KT scumflip.

[Ankamius]

sigh

[Ankamius]

It's really annoying that it's so difficult to tell whether ranger's stated reasons for scumreading me is difficult to tell if it's town or scum reasoning since town commonly scumreads me for things I am much more likely to do as town than scum when they have little experience with me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Ankamius]

Maybe if I care enough, I'll look at wagons today.

[Ankamius]

Antihero, Hiplop, and Mad King Ashnard are still very town.

[Ankamius]

Can someone explain the Spiffeh votes to me?

[Ankamius]

Oh, are you finally going to explain this read that you've been tunneling for the entire game yet have done literally nothing else to push?

[Ankamius]

oh I missed a pagetop

oops

[Ankamius]

mb friends

I'll try harder next time

[Ankamius]

Titus can you obvtown so I can hate myself forever please

[Ankamius]

Ranger specifically not explaining her scumread on me in her case walls is slimy as shit. Especially after going after me so passive-aggressively all game.

Come after me head on. Just because I caught Sakura the moment she started going after me doesn't mean you should avoid engaging me directly unless youre also scum.

[Ankamius]

Ranger's town and you shouldn't tvt pretty please.

It depends on what the case is.

[Ankamius]

I can't guarantee I won't deathtunnel if the case is bad enough.

[Ankamius]

I'm pretty certain you've seen me deathtunnel before. It's almost always from lazy cases based on not thinking about why I'm doing what I'm doing.

[Ankamius]

Go look through survivor mafia sometime. I deathtunneled for 3-4 day phases straight that game. Every single time was based on a very underwhelming case.

[Ankamius]

Im fully aware. You asked me a question and I'm just being roundabout in answering it.

[Ankamius]

Which comes from town as much as it comes from scum. So yeah.

It's nearly 100% of the time, but that's mostly because town will almost always fight back to the death and scum won't.

[Ankamius]

I dont know where the town reads even came from.

I guess there's no point in hiding this anymore, but I have a tell on her. She tries to actively sort me as town since she knows I'm not very strong at faking engages as scum. She tries to stay out of my way and avoid engaging me as scum since she knows she can't hide from me in the same fashion.

Her play this game early on is to do the null vote on me early on, then makes an awkward case on me when I start to pressure her and avoids talking to or about me again. That's her scum response, not jher town response.

I'll also note that she's easier to read very early on and her posts in the first few pages feel much more similar to that one touhou upick that she was scum in than in alfred hitchcock.

[Ankamius]

Ether pls

[Ankamius]

This game went downhill pretty fast after my last post. I didn't even think that was possible.

[Ankamius]

votecount 1.15

Firebringer (5) - PhantomCobalt, Expedience, Antihero, OceanWind, Ranger
Sakura Hana (5) - Wisdom, hiplop, Ankamius, Firebringer, Trebuchet MS

PhantomCobalt (1) - Scatterplot
Expedience (1) - Sakura Hana
Wisdom (1) - Mad King Ashnard

Not voting (0) -

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is January 24, 2:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2016-01-24 02:00:00).

Plotinus head of Scatterplot is V/LA until January 24.

votecount 2.4

Titus (5) - Wisdom, Ankamius, Antihero, Spiffeh, Mad King Ashnard

Wisdom (1) - Titus
Ankamius (1) - Ranger
Spiffeh (1) - Expedience
Scatterplot (1) - hiplop

Not voting (3) - PhantomCobalt, Gorkington, Scatterplot

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is January 29, 17:40 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2016-01-29 17:40:00).

Umm hello?

Like hell please people wake up and see this is a scum driven wagon and help me sort my reads please.

Of the three slots that you're indicating are part of both wagons, two of them were on KTthecreeper back near the beginning of the game the entire time that the talah wagon was in full force. How does this fit in your theory?

[Ankamius]

Where does he push a read strongly?

I was constantly doing that until the way I was seeing the game vastly shifted away from the way everyone else saw it as.

Where does he try to strongly dismantle a wagon he thinks is on town?

I basically never do this regardless of alignment unless I'm scumreading the wagon itself, not townreading the person the wagon is on.

Where does he try to get a wagon going on a player he actually thinks is scum?

I rarely ever do this unless I know I have a lot of influence on the game state.

These factors are entirely absent. He'll make a comment, "I think these players are both town", and then

not do anything about it

. That lack of follow-through shows a lack of sincerity and a lack of care.

That's indicative of not caring. So what.

He is scum.

cool

You're townreading a fucking playstyle. Stop.

FTFY.

Trebuchet said it himself: Ankamius as town would do something.
This game, he has not.

No push, nothing.

Stop taking things so literally. Activity is literally the most worthless metric anyone can use to read me because I have every level of activity in the book as both alignments.

[Ankamius]

Also, my favorite part about #1746 is that the same person that claimed I do things as town is still saying that I'm obvtown.

[Ankamius]

\o\ /o/ \o/

[Ankamius]

I'm done.

I'll just sheep someone for the rest of the game. Probably Antihero.

[Ankamius]

Gork, a lot of what you're saying today about me is either alignment-null or things I do as town more than scum.

[Ankamius]

Antihero is town.
Gorkington is town.
Hiplop is town.

Everyone else is swirling around somewhere in null-town to null-scum somewhere. I'm feeling like scum weaseled their way into my blind spot, which is making me really paranoid of Spiffeh now that I know a lot of my reads were wrong.

[Ankamius]

Ether can you quote your reasoning for scumreading me or post them if you haven't yet?

[Ankamius]

Gork

what do you want from me

[Ankamius]

You get an entire nothing since I'm not scum

[Ankamius]

Town:
Antihero because duh.
Hiplop because of tone, mainly.
Gork because the attack on me is blatantly town.

Rest:
Wisdom and Scatterplot are question marks; I have a spotty read accuracy on Wisdom and I've never played with either head of Scatterplot before; neither slot has given me any alignment impressions either way.
Ranger is down to null. The attack on me is either town who is just deathtunneling all game or scum who is using it as an excuse to not do anything. It's nearly impossible to tell and the fact that there's very little in her ISO when you remove me from it doesn't help anything.
Expedience is leaning town; his vote on Firebringer at the end of the day doesn't look like bussing and he was hesitant to join the Sakura/Titus wagon for a lot of day 2. It's an awkward scum agenda to take when he's this consistently under pressure. The reason he's not straight town is because of the last second Titus vote.
Spiffeh read is on hold until he can quantify his read on me. My paranoia on him is mainly from how vague he is with defending me and I'm well aware that this is a blind spot of mine. I have no idea what the differences between his town and scum game are otherwise, so.
PhantomCobalt is null-scum. I can't shake that I was onto something with him despite being wrong on Sakura. The read itself feel very distant, but then again I can't even remember anything he's done in a really long time.

[Ankamius]

Thanks for your contribution.

[Ankamius]

Anti where's my love letter?

[Ankamius]

Anti roughly where are you at overall right now?

[Ankamius]

Anti roughly where are you at overall right now?

[Ankamius]

I doubt I'm very high on antihero's sort list in a lot of games based on past experience.

[Ankamius]

alright lemme know when it's worth posting again

[Ankamius]

Fine.

VOTE: Scatterplot

[Ankamius]

Anti roughly where are you at overall right now?

[Ankamius]

I made that post in response to Spiffeh saying that he was confused that Antihero didn't already realize I was town. Antihero is usually pretty slow to read me and there are a lot of games where he basically ignores me entirely for more than a day phase.

[Ankamius]

ii) you really have absolutely nothing in terms of a read on wisdom/plotEther hydra? why? like. i can get being scared of throwing a read at wisdom, but it seems kind of ridiculous that you dont have some kind of stance on SOMETHING plotEther has done.

I've been flailing around for a lot of day one and deathtunneling for the entirety of day two. It's only in day three that I'm really getting anywhere, and I never had a very strong read on that slot in the first place. The townread I had on that slot in day one was based on what I saw as the gamestate at the time, which has been thoroughly proven wrong.

iii) so you think ranger was potentially bussing firebringer on d1?

I think that the slot is so easily bussable that I wouldn't be surprised if anyone did.

v) can you iso phantomcobalt and articulate some of your feelings there more clearly?

I stated roughly which ones I was scumreading him for early on in my ISO. I'll see if I can remember why.

[Ankamius]

Sakura is obv. town for hard stances

This is disgustingly scummy, too.

IIRC this had to do with me seeing Sakura's posts as not taking hard stances, and calling someone that town for very wrong reasons put a bad taste in my mouth.

VOTE: PhantomCobalt

Just saw his posts on this page. There's no way this slot is town.

The one post on that page was his case and vote on KTthecreeper, which looked too stiff and manufactured to be his genuine thoughts.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: PhantomCobalt

Prefer this to Scatterplot.

[Ankamius]

Have my reads seriously been that bad all game?

[Ankamius]

I think I say that my activity is null in virtually every recent game I have on the site.

[Ankamius]

You're not actually 'herding' anyone. You're just shouting into the void and hoping that people follow you, which has done a whole lot of nothing for the past 3/4 of the game for you so far. Either make a serious effort of CONVINCING people to vote for me or just do a fucking reads reset already. It's extremely tiring and the fact that you're seemingly not even realizing that your entire strategy will never work is getting old.

Just look at the rest of your post for proof. I could literally just quote wall everything you said and respond with "lol" for every single one and it would be just as indicative of anything as yours.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: PhantomCobalt
Prefer this to Scatterplot.

More scum blatantly being opportunistic. He was on the Scatterplot wagon, and as soon as the chance for a PhantomCobalt wagon forms, he leaps on it. It's arguably the second-worst vote of today, maybe even the whole game.

wow

[Ankamius]

already talked about this.

Not really. Quoting a bunch of posts, many of which

were the foundation of my Ankamius scumread in the first place

, and saying (not analyzing, just blindly saying) "these are town" is not what I'd call "talking". You didn't truly give me reasons. Explain to me WHY those are town buttons. Because they just look like scum to me.

wow

[Ankamius]

Apparently me since I've been the only one on both of them.

[Ankamius]

It's because she's deathtunneling, Spiffeh. That's literally the only reason.

[Ankamius]

What's wrong with not having any strong scumreads?

[Ankamius]

Hammer at will.

[Ankamius]

ffs ranger

[Ankamius]

Nobody who has ever played with my scumgame would believe for a second that I'm scum with Scatterplot. I would have bussed KTthecreeper into the ground.

[Ankamius]

Actually, I would have bussed KTthecreeper into the ground if Expedience was my scumpartner too.

[Ankamius]

Hey.
Ranger.

Now that your reads are starting to be less deathtunneled, you should look at the big wagons and see what reads you get independent of everything else.

[Ankamius]

You have a 0% chance of dying tonight, so even during night is fine.

[Ankamius]

5. Spiffeh,

Town Cop

, was killed N3

And here I thought it was Wisdom with how much he was WKing me after day one.

ok reading now

[Ankamius]

ranger: Can you show your work on your read change to shut up my future paranoia?

I doubt Spiffeh would ever investigate me if he's that sure I'm town, since thus far he has yet to read me wrong in any completed games (outside of the one outside the site, which barely counts anyway).

[Ankamius]

Hiplop is still likely town. Find someone else to wagon.

[Ankamius]

And I can guarantee I'm not getting lynched today outside of scum stalling the game to hell and back, so good luck wagoning me instead.

[Ankamius]

Spiffeh investigated Wisdom n1
Spiffeh investigated hiplop n2

Any questions?

[Ankamius]

The only other person he could have investigated is Antihero, which I'd be very surprised he'd think to do considering he was super obvtown all game.

[Ankamius]

Or RC I guess. That wouldn't be a bad investigation.

[Ankamius]

So either it's Expedience+Gork or it really is Scatterplot like everyone else has been saying on and off the entire game + someone else. Probably one of the former two.

[Ankamius]

The only correct answer to that question to me is "you're wrong".

[Ankamius]

Why do you think Ashnard was killed n2?

[Ankamius]

We're still lynching hiplop today. Let's be absolutely clear. And we're not going to rush that, either; Plotinus has analysis they want to do first, and there's something I want to hash out with them.

But I do think Ankamius's reaction is from scum.

-Ether

Explain this.

[Ankamius]

I don't know how to read Ank; but it's also PoE for me. I did feel like he looked more town in Blitz 20 than he does here.

--P

Explain this.

[Ankamius]

Do you understand how the gamestate looks in this situation as town who is townreading the one on the chopping block?

[Ankamius]

I don't know how to read Ank; but it's also PoE for me. I did feel like he looked more town in Blitz 20 than he does here.

--P

Explain this.

I thought this was a really great question:

ank. be town. We want to kill Xtox or apparently almost 50

What is the best single post in the entire thread detailing why either of these slots are scum?

When you had just replaced in and were trying to dive into the game as quickly as you could. I think I will steal this question for future use. I don't recall seeing questions of this calibre from your slot in this game, not even when you were looking lost and trying to find your footing which we were townreading you for earlier on because we had felt similar things. And sometimes the things a person does to ground themselves in the game and refocus aren't fully visible in the thread but...as frustrated as you appeared to be, and I don't doubt that the frustration was genuine to some extent because I've been frustrated by similar things as both alignments, but I didn't see you taking steps to fix it.

--P

I'm always aware of my position as town and it's the very first thing I look for when I first replace into a game. The reason I specifically started demanding things in that game is because I had read just enough to know that I had replaced into a slot that already looked significantly town. I know I can get away with demanding more effort is because I have found out over time that people are significantly less likely to want to engage things like this when I look anything less than mid-level town, so I specifically start smaller to find enough holes to get people to open up. When I hit dead ends, I drop them and look somewhere else.

[Ankamius]

Ank may very well be trying to tie himself to me.

Why would I do this as scum with you as town when the prevailing opinion is that the lynch order is you->me?

[Ankamius]

Do you understand how the gamestate looks in this situation as town who is townreading the one on the chopping block?

This was to Ether, by the way.

[Ankamius]

My reasons haven't changed since the last time I told you, Gork.

[Ankamius]

Hiplop because of tone, mainly.

[Ankamius]

Do you understand how the gamestate looks in this situation as town who is townreading the one on the chopping block?

This was to Ether, by the way.

Apparently I don't. How does it look?

-Ether

It means that unless there's a lucky doctor save within the next two nights, this current path directly ends in a town defeat.

Either scum are hanging back while town hangs itself or they're directly manipulating events. I think it's the latter specifically because it was RC and Spiffeh who died N2 and N3; the two people least likely to be manipulated in the game while also being between very difficult and impossible to mislynch.

[Ankamius]

My reasons haven't changed since the last time I told you, Gork.

do you have stronger reasons than that? do you take all of his recent posting and still feel the same way based solely on tone?

Something tells me that the way he deflated after being shown that I'm not a cop clear and thus his assumptions are wrong isn't a scum response. It's hard to quantify why, but it's along the vein of it would be easy for him to ride the basic tone at least and still be aggressively wrong since both Antihero and I recently saw him do it as town.

[Ankamius]

also ank, what games do you have experience with hiplop with that are making you feel so confident in your toneread?

Alfred Hitchcock is the most recent one. His aggressiveness especially is hitting a lot of the same notes.

[Ankamius]

Wisdom would make the most sense with your slot as the secondary, which leaves you as PoE.

[Ankamius]

If you actually read what I stated, you would have seen that I discounted that in the same post.

[Ankamius]

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[Ankamius]

fine

I was really hoping I could somehow turn this around without actually revealing, but now there's too much WIFOM in the air now that ranger's revealed it for me to not do it anymore. I never actually intentionally crumbed doctor, though. My post about you having a 0% chance of dying is because it would legitimately be an awful idea to kill you when you're one of the most predictable players in the game up to that point.

Night 1: Hiplop
Night 2: Wisdom
Night 3: Wisdom

It should be pretty obvious to anyone who's paying attention why I was protecting Wisdom, but my hiplop protect was because I wanted to protect someone who I thought was town, was making waves, and was unlikely to draw the other protect.

[Ankamius]

And now it should be really fucking obvious why I've been WKing hiplop today.

[Ankamius]

FTR if hiplop is a doctor who protected someone that is still alive, he should claim.

Otherwise, I think the other doctor should stay hidden unless their protection N1 was on me or is about to die today.

[Ankamius]

orrrrrr nvm

Antihero was most likely the shot N1, now that it's out in the open.

[Ankamius]

except theres two doctors ank :/
i would wager the other protect was the successful one as long as ank isnt fakeclaiming [which honestly i dont really think he is]

It compounded my already-town read on that slot and I wanted to leave enough clues as to who I protected night one in case I got nightkilled or was quicklynched later on.

[Ankamius]

Waiting on Antihero and Expedience then.

[Ankamius]

Literally just after that last post, she's virtually obvtown.

[Ankamius]

Anti is obvtown regardless, but why exactly?

[Ankamius]

VOTE: hiplop

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Expedience

[Ankamius]

I think I hit the balance between appearing town and appearing scum well enough this game.

[Ankamius]

No worries. I don't get offended by anything in mafia unless it's taken way beyond the scope of the game.

[Ankamius]

Ank dw I got your number

I'll figure out how you read me eventually. This game reduced the possibilities by a few notches with how fast you figured me out despite me purposely trying not to obvtown.

[Ankamius]

The scum DID have a chance. It just kind of fell apart when both doctors weren't strong nightkill targets and at least one of us had to die before massclaim for it to be possible. :/

[Ankamius]

I'm really embarrassed that I thought Wisdom was the cop too, but thought he had inspected me night one.

[Ankamius]

What was your case on me either way? Chances are it was based on playstyle stuff or things I put there on purpose, but I can go into it more now that I don't have any reason to hide my 'lies'.

[Ankamius]

Yeah, content was what I was masking this game. The vast majority of it was just being very blunt about my reads and not pushing out my reasoning when I normally would have. I actually didn't have any particular reason for 1-2 reads that I had early on either, which is how it kind of snowballed into my view of the game becoming so fucked up day one.

So the biggest reason my pushes sucked so much is because I was basing like 90% of it on nothing, basically.

[Ankamius]

I lied about my trajectory on the Sakura read too. I was legit starting to townread her towards the end of day one. Firebringer flipping town made me completely delete that from my mind for whatever reason.

Actually, the Firebringer scumflip did more to fuck me up this game than anything else.

[Ankamius]

dw I'm like that a lot too. I get so apathetic in a lot of town games and don't really get anywhere, but the few games I get really dug into the game are the ones that prevent me from being demoted to VI status.

[Ankamius]

Sorry for misreading you ank apparently I'm good at finding doc q.q

The only person in this game I expected to townread me this game was Antihero. Fooling everyone else was the point

[Ankamius]

That's most likely a town trait. I'll still go against the crowd as scum, but I'm more careful about it.