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Post #32 (isolation #4) » Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:47 am
Postby borkjerfkin »
to me it seemed if she were scum she'd likely have focused on directly addressing the question in the latter part of the statement rather than focusing on paranoia wrt the former part
i'll admit i have fuckall else to go on in this game so far
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Post #37 (isolation #6) » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:11 am
Postby borkjerfkin »
In post 35, Sobolev Space wrote:For what it's worth I was planning on voting GL here like that ever since our last game ended. The vote on me/question to me had no bearing on my first post.
noted i guess, it fit as a response in context so i treated it as one
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Post #38 (isolation #7) » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:11 am
Postby borkjerfkin »
In post 36, GuiltyLion wrote:if she's town she should probably recognize quickly that this is not my scumgame, so if she scumreads me then she's confirmed scum.
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Post #46 (isolation #11) » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:20 am
Postby borkjerfkin »
VOTE: GuiltyLion
you're straining the bounds of my credulity that you think because someone (who recently got snowed by you at that) just saw your scumgame that they'd never possibly roll town and legitimately misread you again; it instead sounds like posturing
i ask how many games you played because people misread each other game after game after game and someone who's been on site and has played 40+ games should know that
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Post #61 (isolation #17) » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:43 pm
Postby borkjerfkin »
Like guiltylion didnt really do anything there except not explain himself well; it barely even qualifies as an interaction; it is moreso an analysis of him by me
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Post #73 (isolation #22) » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:06 am
Postby borkjerfkin »
i think the vast majority of my posts have been pretty game relevant
what's your angle at this point? you have self voted and (to my surprise) most people are actually ignoring it, which is great because i think self votes are generally a noisy mess done by both alignments
what now?
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Post #79 (isolation #24) » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:12 am
Postby borkjerfkin »
In post 78, Bellaphant wrote:i mean, i don't have meta or proof or anything, it's a gut response - but i feel like that was obvious anyway, so why as[k] me?
I reserve the right to ask about things I don't understand -- I didn't see why you were flagging my reaction (vote -> clarification -> unvote) as contingent on GL's alignment instead of just calling me scummy or towny or null, because GL didn't
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Post #103 (isolation #30) » Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:13 pm
Postby borkjerfkin »
I'm right here.
It was "i am satisfied with what i have from ss and gl now and i am ready to branch out to the rest of the playerlist". Im not frustrated as much as i am unable to proceed.
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Post #113 (isolation #31) » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:24 pm
Postby borkjerfkin »
The whole situation is hypothetical from bella's point of view since i am talking about what i think
she
should think of the interaction. That is why i worded it how i did.
The former thing you quoted isnt the sentiment i was trying to express, a scumflip from GL should perfectly allow for the fact that im town that just saw something scummy.
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Post #135 (isolation #37) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:36 am
Postby borkjerfkin »
Your progression in 109 and 112 is just an angle i really only think i can see from someone who is really trying to figure me out and displays undercurrents of paranoia that i think is hard for scum to organically weave into posts
that might be the most involved explanation of "gut" i have ever given
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Post #136 (isolation #38) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:57 am
Postby borkjerfkin »
re: bella; 58 is an easy observation to make (I can pick two players at random from the playerlist and say they're not scum together and be virtually guaranteed to be right) -- i think negative associatives are helpful when you've got two people you find independently scummy already and realize they're not partners;
i also disagree with that my play there, if i were scum, would really have changed based on if GL was my buddy or not. This is why I was trying to see where her head was in making that statement.
That said I don't really feel that she's scum for either these things; it wasn't the strongest opening in the world but I don't think it really shows scum motivation and I'm a little put off by Frogger's (due to 80? why?) and Lowell's (I honestly have no idea) professed scumreads on her
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Post #137 (isolation #39) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:05 am
Postby borkjerfkin »
In post 114, Lowell wrote:Hello, everyone, I'm now here. Back at work, and avoiding work, to your great advantage. Quick recap:
8-9- lion and sob play footsie
30- bork tries hard
32- bork tries hard
46- bork tries hard
48- lion reacts strangely to bork trying hard
51- bella tries not hard enough
59- bork tries hard
70s- eddie continues trolling
80- bella elaborates, sort of
112- twitchy post from sobolev
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Also what is any of this? Was i scum for 'tryharding' or whatever? Why? Why am i town now
I dont get the thought proceas behind most of your reads
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Post #138 (isolation #40) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:16 am
Postby borkjerfkin »
In post 78, Bellaphant wrote:i mean, i don't have meta or proof or anything, it's a gut response - but i feel like that was obvious anyway, so why as[k] me?
This felt tonally town. I don't expect to be lambasted by scum for questioning them; i expect to be appeased more often than not.
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Post #146 (isolation #45) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:32 am
Postby borkjerfkin »
In post 145, Fro99er wrote:She often makes some really sarcastic subtle points, or has these retorts that I can't explain that just scream town bella. They aren't there yet. Add in the combination of her conclusion jumping, and it's weird.
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Post #151 (isolation #47) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:37 am
Postby borkjerfkin »
I do see; she feels comfortable in her own skin in what you linked.
absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, esp in the sample size we have. Noting and keeping my eye on it, but fuck if i havent been burned by meta recently and i am probably going to keep to motivational and interactive methods of scumhunting this game, esp considering i have played with none of you personally
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Post #187 (isolation #54) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:09 pm
Postby borkjerfkin »
In post 171, GuiltyLion wrote:If he's scum here, he can start with a flawed assumption ("bella jumped to a conclusion early"), then use a valid, well-sourced argument about her play that he honestly believes
I agree that if I have an issue w/ the Bella angle it is definitely on the soundness of the premise and not the validity of the logic because as I said, Bella saying two people aren't scum together is about as softball an assertion as you can make; at this point I'd rather just see Bella & Frogger interact more and read them off that
In post 175, Eddie Cane wrote:btw - using wifom on yourself is... something. "I've played with x and did y and z happened so logically as town I should do p." is reaching.
In post 179, Fro99er wrote:but eddie did do one of my biggest scumtells, so yeah
I think you're barking up the wrong tree here -- I think it's entirely reasonable to point out that if you're self aware enough to point out your self-meta you're self-aware enough to manipulate it; I don't see how your self-assessment that you do it every game is germane to his alignment
specifically I don't think TTTT has done really anything but throw out some vaguely reasoned townreads and asked a couple questions; was surprised to see him on your top tier
lowell I just don't really have a good handle on; I find him opaque and don't empathize with the reasoning behind most of his reads
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Post #237 (isolation #58) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:38 pm
Postby borkjerfkin »
I think I see where you're coming from GL, even if I think SS is townier than most people in the game, I was the only one who really professed that at that point in the game.
Usually at this point in D1 I kind of see battle lines being drawn and that isn't happening this game, possibly meaning that the majority of the conversation is coming from town.
I don't really know why I think that, but the cadence of this game does seem unusual
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Post #238 (isolation #59) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:40 pm
Postby borkjerfkin »
Really liked Bella's catchup
Also strikes me as absolutely nothing like frogger described her town meta, so, uh, paging Frogger
I modded a newbie w/ Bella in it around a year and a half ago (town) and she seemed pretty darn assertive there (butting heads with Thor of all people); I don't think someone would become more timid over time as town.