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That means oh my god you suck right?In post 29, nancy wrote:
OMGUSIn post 24, WhyMafia wrote:
Confirmed scumIn post 17, nancy wrote: I'm scum this game Pine.
VOTE: Nancy
VOTE: WhyMafia
How is that OMGUS?
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Oh I am stupid. I thought you were calling me out for OMGUSIn post 31, nancy wrote:Yep, OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck.
It's basically voting someone simply because they voted you. You can also for instance OMGUS scumread someone, which is scumreading someone simply because they scumread you. So I OMGUS voted you.
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I think you're trying to manipulate me mhmhmhmIn post 34, nancy wrote:Pfft, you're not stupid.
You should trust me because I'm Town, obviously.
And even if I'm scum, I promise I'll pocket you and keep you alive until LyLo.
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If you're doing it in my best interests, why don't we just lynch you todayIn post 36, nancy wrote:Even if I were, I assure you I'd be doing it with your best interests at heart. I already claimed scum, so when we get to LyLo together you have no reason not to lynch me. (:-
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Not applicable bc I am not scumIn post 45, Srceenplay wrote:WhyMafia did your partner give you any pointers before the game started?
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Why are you so unhelpful xdIn post 54, Srceenplay wrote:
BecauseIn post 51, nancy wrote:How is that question relevant to this game?
RQS is "Random Questioning Stage", where you ask players a bunch of meaningless questions, it used to be the thing before it was replaced by RVS because RQS was found to inherently favor scum.-
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First post was legit, kinda confused why he changed his vote in his next post.
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Fair enough. It was a mistake, I didn't see it. I don't think I would be that obvious to reveal a potential scum buddy, but you don't know me so believe what you wantIn post 59, Srceenplay wrote:
You vote chronicle for bandwagoning.In post 22, WhyMafia wrote:VOTE: Chronicle
Seems to be bandwagoning mhmhmhmhm
Third ever mad game, first on this site
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Yea he's viable to look into.In post 77, Srceenplay wrote:
So you overlooked him by mistake.In post 58, WhyMafia wrote:First post was legit, kinda confused why he changed his vote in his next post.
His vote change is confusing to you.
His vote on stealthynoodle by your reasoning deserves him being voted.
Help me vote him then.
You can ask him questions to try and get unconfused.
VOTE: Loopdan
Loopdan, explain your vote
VOTE: Loopdan-
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In post 84, Srceenplay wrote:Thanks for jumping on the bandwagon!!
No problem!In post 84, Srceenplay wrote:Thanks for jumping on the bandwagon!!
It's not like I'm changing my vote reason!
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explain your votes from earlier-
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I am in school rn - give me a few hours
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I'm sorry but I am in the school pit band and we are having a show this weekend so I had a long rehearsal. Normal school ended five hours and a half ago, then I had rehearsal for another three and a half hours. I just finished most of my hw as well so I have a bit of time rn. I love how you're calling me out for lurking yet there are more players who have posted less than me. Are you trying to get an easy bandwagon started on me lol. Anyway, I'll post a reads listIn post 192, Srceenplay wrote:I don't know? When you say a few hours and it's been almost eight hours, is that considered lurking?
Note - idk what a standard reads list looks like on ms. I'm sorry of it's horrible, I'm a tad overwhelmed rn-
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Tes - Not certain, apart from suggesting Bp strat, he hasn't done much. Could be a gamble as he looks Town by suggesting it, but it's becoming fairly common (from what I can tell by what others said), so if he was scum, he might as well look as best as possible.
Chronicle - Neutral. Similar to Tes he defended the bp strat quite vigorously as well as the inactive. He hasn't really done anything that screams "TOWN", but seems to be trying to help find scum (pressuring others into participating with the strat that usually finds scum).
Loop - Town, didn't work against the strat and also helped pressure others. This is more of a vibe I guess
Nancy - Scum lean. Starts out with going out for an aggressive counter to the strat. Proceeds to say it won't help new players learn. However most of the new players seem to not mind using this strategy. If there's a cop, look into her please.
Pine - Not enough posts to judge with, but made a valid point
Screenplay - Neutral, slightly miffed he's pushing me, but it's my fault for missing loopdens post. I want his reads before saying anything conclusive. Idk how it's considered lurking, we all have outside lives. If I wanted to lurk, I wouldn't have replied "a few hours" in the first place. Seems to be aggressive against the new player, some of it deserved, but I don't trust him fully. Maybe I'm just biased.
Stealthy - Scum lean - I'm having trouble with quotes, so I'll refer to post numbers
79/89 - Says that he agrees with Nancy that the strat isn't good for new players, but proceeds to say by not supporting it, she has a higher possibility of scum. It seems to me that she's braver than you and posted her opinion while you just want to look good to town. You're a hypocrite. Stating that you agree with what she said, but those words make her a scum read to you makes no sense. Even tho she didn't cooperate, you should've stuck to what you believed in lol. While I don't necessarily consider her as pro town, you make her seem so much better. You could be bussing her idk.
94 - Again, you agree with her ... what makes you vs her different? That she took a more direct stance? If the majority of the players said that this strat was bad and she was the only who argued it was good, I think you wouldn't have gone along with this strategy xd
I hope what I just said made sense, it probably didn't knowing me. Anyways, go analyze this now-
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Thanks for the reads list advice Nancy. Much appreciated
It's just a combination of irl stuff + the fact that all of you seem to know what you're doing xd. I am able to understand what's going on, but I'm just not really used to this. If that makes any sense. Like I've learned a lot from just a couple of days so far, and it's just a lot to process.
Anyway, @srceenplay can you give me concrete reasons why you think I'm scum
@chronicle it was not a good idea to vote me and just leave me hanging. You just simply voted me and left. Do you have anything to add?-
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A) Who are you talking in regards to that postIn post 207, Srceenplay wrote:Your poor me I'm bad AtE is scumy. You trying to find made up reason as evidence to vote someone is scumy.
B) what does "your poor me I'm bad AtE is scummy mean
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I personally think pine is worth looking into -
He begins by heavily defending Nancy and proceeds to leave
In addition, I would have to say Nancy has a higher chance of scum than stealthy atm. She repeatedly appeals to my emotions, making me want to trust her. My other reasoning in on my reads list from page 8. I don't feel like repeating all of it. Just go check. That being said, I do appreciate what you said Nancy xd.-
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In post 225, StealthyNoodle wrote:Hello hello.
Well, Pine just posted in two other threads. Either he's forgotten about this thread, or he's simply not responding on purpose.
Inb4 he replies with a one word answerIn post 226, StealthyNoodle wrote:Hopefully he's writing a juicy post right now. There are just hours left till prod.-
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Hope you feel better soonIn post 235, MiniDeathStar wrote:NewbieGame#1784
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Pinehas been prodded.
I'm still ill so I'm really sorry for not updating votecount flavour yet.-
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Wtf does AtE even meanIn post 231, Chronicle wrote:
What even? Have you even thought to yourself why AtE is scummy before you said this?In post 222, WhyMafia wrote:I personally think pine is worth looking into -
He begins by heavily defending Nancy and proceeds to leave
In addition, I would have to say Nancy has a higher chance of scum than stealthy atm. She repeatedly appeals to my emotions, making me want to trust her. My other reasoning in on my reads list from page 8. I don't feel like repeating all of it. Just go check. That being said, I do appreciate what you said Nancy xd.-
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He made four game related posts. I also fail to see how one could tell if it's a town read after so little info, even if prior friendsIn post 242, TesXX wrote:
But he only made nine posts. What patterns did you see in his posts that made you TR him?In post 240, nancy wrote:
Pine and I are friends, and I like to think I can get a pretty good read on him early on. Combination of gut and recognizing patterns.In post 206, WhyMafia wrote:Why are you so sure pine is town? He made only a few posts and they were simply to defend you. I'm just interested in hearing your reasoning-
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In post 241, nancy wrote:
AtE = Appeal to Emotions.In post 208, WhyMafia wrote:B) what does "your poor me I'm bad AtE is scummy mean
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... reviations
Feel free to use the above link as a reference if you encounter an abbreviation you don't know. If you haven't already read the wiki pages Pine linked to in his IC post, I'd highly recommend that, when you feel you can process it.
ThanksIn post 240, nancy wrote:
You're welcome. Don't worry, I promise that this is a case of everyone else seeming to know what they are doing without really having any clue. You can't see into the doubts and confusion in other people's minds, but it's always there. That said, I definitely have a better idea of what's going on that you! So if you need help processing anything, let me know!In post 205, WhyMafia wrote:Thanks for the reads list advice Nancy. Much appreciated
It's just a combination of irl stuff + the fact that all of you seem to know what you're doing xd. I am able to understand what's going on, but I'm just not really used to this. If that makes any sense. Like I've learned a lot from just a couple of days so far, and it's just a lot to process.
Pine and I are friends, and I like to think I can get a pretty good read on him early on. Combination of gut and recognizing patterns.In post 206, WhyMafia wrote:Why are you so sure pine is town? He made only a few posts and they were simply to defend you. I'm just interested in hearing your reasoning-
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Fair enough. I won't really talk about my issues till endgameIn post 212, StealthyNoodle wrote:
Not really, but your statement does come through as fishing for compassion. Something a wolf in sheep's clothing could do.In post 210, WhyMafia wrote:I was unaware mentioning emotions was scummy.
What would be the point of naked votes lol.In post 215, Chronicle wrote:
I'm going to be doing naked votes often, I'm beginning to like them.In post 205, WhyMafia wrote:@chronicle it was not a good idea to vote me and just leave me hanging. You just simply voted me and left. Do you have anything to add?-
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I think it's weird bc she didn't want to use it bc of teaching noobs but I fail to see any major noobs here except for meIn post 245, Chronicle wrote:
No, I would have preferred she just went along with it and save us the trouble, but I do not think that alone tells anything of her alignment.In post 239, StealthyNoodle wrote:Before that, am I the only one who'd prefer that nancy didn't put teaching above playing to her win-con? Is there anyone who prefers that she's playing this way?-
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I'm kind of confused why there is a push for the lynch of pine. While it's bad to lose an active town, chances are they are vanilla townie and we can base future Lynchs off the reactions/comments of others. A pine lynch without him defending himself could cause us to lose an important town role. Not only that, we gain far less info from a pine lynch-
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If you say soIn post 304, TesXX wrote:
It's just L eating a banana.In post 302, WhyMafia wrote:Tes your profile pic gives me nightmares-
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That's susp in my eyes. Of all the people to kill, you choose Pine? So you feel he would provide js with the most info? L m a oIn post 306, Srceenplay wrote:
Protect myselfIn post 303, WhyMafia wrote:@srceenplay
If you could protect one person who would it be
If you could kill someone who would it be (daykill)
Kill pine.
I personally don't find anything suspicious with loop apart from his advocacy with a pine lynch. I'm confused why people repeatedly ask me about him. Can someone explain to me what he did?
I feel like everyone who was in favor of a Pine lynch is pulling back after realizing that it went looking good. Why take a risk to kill an inactive who could be a power role when we could actively look for someone who is scum. There are other potential scum ..-
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I have a slight suspicion on him, but nothing worth killing him over atm. His only posts of substance were defending Nancy early game. I would hope to think that he's too experienced to be the scum that lurks. Heck, he almost got replaced. There's no point in killing someone if we know little about them. We have a 7/9 chance of killing town after all-
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If you had to day kill someone right now, who would it be?In post 353, nancy wrote:
Pushing the gamestate is a little different and, broadly speaking, involves developing your reads while helping others develop their reads and pushing wagons accordingly. Asking questions alone isn't pushing the gamestate because the trajectory of the interaction doesn't lead to the gamestate moving forward, it only leads to a response. Something has to be done with the response, and the question itself also has to be useful (chiefly for sorting alignment). Asking me about my Pine TR, for instance, hasn't led anywhere, therefore hasn't pushed the gamestate. Slight difference in the way that I pushed you earlier for instance, because by arguing that you were scum I created content for the game to orient itself around and by doing so pushed the gamestate forward.In post 350, TesXX wrote:I have been. I've talked about your reasoning multiple times and I've asked you a question about your Pine TR. I'm wondering why you think Noodle is objectively obvscum. I'm also going to make a post about Srceenplay. It's a stretch to say I haven't been pushing the gamestate forwards at all. I haven't developed as many reads as some people because, it's not always this way but I generally don't develop reads early.
Yes and no, I'm curious as to what he thinks defensive scum looks like.In post 352, Srceenplay wrote:Are you saying you don't get defensive as scum and then ask curiously how he can see you being defensive?
Just want to make sure I'm reading it right.
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When you finish reading up, reads list pleaseIn post 355, Pine wrote:Hi all! Thank you mod for cutting me some slack, I've largely been absent from the site for several days due to real life issues. I'm catching up right now.
VOTE: SrceenPlay
I just don't buy him. He advocated a Pine lynch for reasons that are absolute garbage + I am biased towards him XD-
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I'll tell you after you respondIn post 358, nancy wrote:
What's the purpose of this question?In post 354, WhyMafia wrote:If you had to day kill someone right now, who would it be?
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YeahIn post 357, Srceenplay wrote:Why are you biased?
Do you think being biased can Cloud your judgment?
I might be subconsciously holding stuff against you.
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In post 363, TesXX wrote:
that what is relevant?In post 362, WhyMafia wrote:I don't feel that this is relevant.
I just feel like I'll be biased bc srceen generally makes me feel frustrated. I fail to see how knowing this helps town but okIn post 371, Srceenplay wrote:
If keeping your thoughts and understanding secret helps Town, sure why not. Usually town try's to be honest and straight forward as possible. To each their own.In post 362, WhyMafia wrote:I don't feel that this is relevant. Feel free to disagree though-
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I don't give my reasons to scum!!!!In post 373, StealthyNoodle wrote:
I'd really, really like to hear your reasons for asking this.In post 354, WhyMafia wrote:If you had a doctor protection, who would you protect
In all seriousness, in case any of y'all flip scum, I doubt any of you would say that you would kill your scum buddy. The doc prot shows how much you think somebody is town.
I guess it was a bad plan tho :/-
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But everyone has different reads on who is solid town? If everyone has different opinions, how would that help me?In post 400, nancy wrote:^ Basically because if you think of that question from a scum!WM perspective, it maximizes info on where he might direct a NK. If we have a scumteam of 2 newbies, as it's looking like, then this kind of information is something scum!WM might be trying to gather in a kind of cutesey way.
Also, I used the question to at least try to scum hunt. I'm susp on screenplay (sorry for the autocorrect xd) for his answer to that question. He wanted to kill Pine of all people.
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I didn't intend for my questions to be like that, but I'll go with it!
I haven't played in too many games (this is my second to be precise), and I was just curious if after this game, someone experienced could pm or write in this thread some ways to look for scum. I'm just improving xd-
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Meant to include this sorry VOTE: SrceenPlay
You tried to get Pine killed and now you seem very defensive over it. Your latest response (well I'm not voting him) seems to be whining. I feel as though you were hoping to put pressure on someone else, and quickly back off if it doesn't work out.
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I am honoredIn post 425, Pine wrote:
My reads were pretty plainly stated, but I can give you a TL;DR summary.In post 419, Srceenplay wrote:Pine
Since you just read and caught up. Everything is fresh in your mind. Can we get a read list?
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My mind is mushIn post 431, Srceenplay wrote:
Sure!In post 427, TesXX wrote:In post 283, Srceenplay wrote:In post 282, Srceenplay wrote:
Why vote Pine? He just got prodded.In post 275, Loopdan wrote:VOTE: PineIt's easier to lynch someone when they are not around to defend themselves.
VOTE: Pine
Not trackerIn post 323, Srceenplay wrote:In post 322, CogMachine wrote:Why do you want an easy lynch?
What made Pine compelling? Do you have any actual town reads?1) I don't.
2) Pine couldn't defend himself.
3) still working on a list.Srceenplay can you explain this?
I said it's easier to lynch someone when they don't defend themselves.
When asked why I want an easy lynch, I said I don't.
You pushed Pine bc it was easy to lynch but you didn't want an easy lynch? The hell-
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Why should he vote with you when he's already susp of you? It sounds to me that you're trying to deflect attention onto NancyIn post 437, Srceenplay wrote:
ExplainIn post 436, TesXX wrote:
The town reads I'm still working on right now. My suspicions are nancy and Srceen right now.In post 435, WhyMafia wrote:Tes, who do you think are good lynch targets right now?
And who would you say are your solid town reads?
I believe Nancy is still at L-2.
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Chronicle nobody joined your wagon of me because you gave a naked vote, and didn't elaborate.In post 462, Chronicle wrote:Can't really find the motivation to look at recent posts, so I'll push that back a bit. For some reason I'm reading it but nothing is processing.
But just to address this quickly, after getting some pressure your sudden big reaction seems out of nowhere(310, 314, 316 mainly). Read to me as being driven into a corner, because of how it contrasts to your play the rest of the day(which read as town: calm, responsive etc).In post 451, nancy wrote:Missed this post. What do you think is scum indicative about being jumpy? Describe what scum being jumpy looks like to you, and why Town can't be jumpy? I don't agree with your characterization, btw, but I'm curious about what you're seeing in my posts.
That, along with the whole wincon argument.
But I'm tired now, and honestly I don't like where my vote is right now. I only got off the WhyMafia wagon because it lacked support, and your wagon just sprung up + I wanted to see where the wincon argument went. Now with Srceenplay and his confusing mess of "I voted cuz he's not around to defend but don't want an easy lynch" and some other shit, I need to sit back and rethink my reads.
UNVOTE:
Srceen, WhyMafia and Tes are my preferred lynches as of now. Noodle and Cog are out of the question.
And I still need to make up my mind about Loop, Pine and nancy, though the first 2 lean town.
Also nancy/pine, still don't see Noodle being scum
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Oh that was being dramatic sorry xdIn post 464, StealthyNoodle wrote:^Yep I don't really find it scummy. Your reason seems pretty valid. Still I don't see the "Pineof all people"-bit. Is it because he's IC?-
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So you weren't reading the thread? Stealthy had just noticed that on the same page, yet to fail to see it? FoS (I think I used it right)In post 476, CogMachine wrote:
I have another few hours sitting at a starbucks. So no. I am legitimately bored.In post 475, StealthyNoodle wrote:
@CogMachine Are you copycatting WhyMafia, to make me believe you're townie as well?In post 461, StealthyNoodle wrote:the fact that he makes a post(222), doesn't get a response within the next 3 hours, and proceeds to this:makes me believe he's pushing the game state and want feedback for his ideas/statements. As scum, he would probably gain more from just waiting instead? And it wouldn't look suspicious either.
I didn't realize whymafia had done something like that, and I don't think its indicative of alignment one way or another. Mafia get bored too I'm sure.
I'm more interested in what you think about my comments on Loopdan tbh. Or just your read on him.-
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WhyMafia Jack of All Trades
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WhyMafia Jack of All Trades
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1st statement just gave me massive scum vibes off you lmao. I feel like you're trying to get a bandwagon started. Look at the whole post, not just the first post. You can clearly tell that's a mixture of sarcasm and banterIn post 509, TesXX wrote:
This looks a bit forced.In post 376, WhyMafia wrote: I don't give my reasons to scum!!!!
I dunt really get what being dramatic has to do with what you said. The "of all people" implied that there was a different person you would prefer to lynch, which was what I expected your response to be.In post 465, WhyMafia wrote:
Oh that was being dramatic sorry xdIn post 464, StealthyNoodle wrote:^Yep I don't really find it scummy. Your reason seems pretty valid. Still I don't see the "Pineof all people"-bit. Is it because he's IC?
2nd statement - Kind of valid. I'm saying that out of exasperation. Like there are other players who are active, yet people were leading lynch on the inactive???
VOTE: TesXx
Die scum-
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WhyMafia Jack of All Trades
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WhyMafia Jack of All Trades
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That was not even close to a haiku smhIn post 515, StealthyNoodle wrote:I love how WhyMafia's beautiful Yoda-haiku just fetched him a vote.
@screenplay
It was on the forum that introduced me to mafia
I heard that you guys here are all tryhards and I would be hammered if I spoke yoda-esque. I'm actually surprised nobody else voted me besides you.