Open 688: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[MuttonChopMagic]

ego

[MuttonChopMagic]

gamma never gets lynched this game
the hellfire wagon is kinda lame

yep, you're with GE

PEDIT: it has nothing to do with the fact that you're the one speaking to me, it's that you're alive.

this however is probably scum
and now here with my vote I come

VOTE: sesq

[MuttonChopMagic]

uhhhh I guess this is what happens when you try to justify a read that has no reasoning >_>

I'm not really sure who's scum here actually- I'm getting townvibes from most people and although I thought alban sounded fake I'm not seeing that as much anymore.
I'm going to vote Gamma Emerald though because his push on HF feels weird; like, he votes him, and tries to justify it after the fact, but it just looks awkward and fake to me.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

scum? scum? stop voting gamma
he's obv fucking town i could make a diorama

[MuttonChopMagic]

Add Cooperative Sheep to the list of people I'd hang today.

The only people who fear gut reads are scum. Because they can look like perfect play and never do anything necessarily "scummy". But still be scum. That is where your gut comes in and says "They're scum". The fact that it's D1 (which you acknowledge in your post) but think people should have a perfect case is VERY telling. Why don't you start by telling us who scum is Sheep. Bring forth some damn good cases too. If you can't, don't continue with your shit.

I'd even lynch Sheep over Lunae now. This game is going to be a breeze catching scum when they act like this.

cooperative -> gamma looked like a buddy
but this post makes that read muddy
I agree with sheep as a possibly lynch
scum wallposting empty garbage? a cinch

[MuttonChopMagic]

Hallo du da , ich wünsche dir frohe Ostern!
Heute sind wir alle froh, froher, am frohsten!
Auch für dich hab ich was versteckt. Hast du's schon entdeckt?

Hallihallöchen, ich wünsch dir frohe Ostern!
Heute sind wir alle froh, froher, am frohsten!
Ich hoff du findest Ostern wunderbar.
Dann komm ich wieder nächstes Jahr.

This is against the rules.

@Mod?

your face is against the rules
stop being such a tool

[MuttonChopMagic]

okay done skimming here are my town reads
stop derailing the thread trying to meta me please?

gamma, creature, comm, njac, Alban

no overly strong scum reads yet
you think any of those 5 are scum tho? bet

[MuttonChopMagic]

creature is town
if you're town you'll come around
now my friend
if you're town let us mend
vote someone not in my town pool
ignoring me is cruel

[MuttonChopMagic]

Ok my ISO magic so far:

alban: null. He confuses me because I've seen him play both town and scum and he seems different than either instance. I can see him being town that doesn't give a shit, but his last post is bizarre. Why not vote?

commknight: town. I can see him putting effort into scumhunting and I can follow his logic. His ISO is cohesive and that's good enough for me d1

cooperative sheep: null-town. Basically I think his case on me is bs, but he still strikes me as stubborn town like he did before.

creature: null. Like alban he strikes me as just not giving a shit after reread. I have them both null but at this point I feel like alban is slightly leaning scum and creature is slightly leaning town.

these are really bad
when you flip scum I'll be glad
VOTE: arona

[MuttonChopMagic]

I've never been to Barcelona

I also don't rhyme votes
that's lame, like, totes

[MuttonChopMagic]

commknight: town. I can see him putting effort into scumhunting and I can follow his logic. His ISO is cohesive and that's good enough for me d1

How do you follow his logic as based on his attack on me for fearing gut reads?
Because there is no logic there without inventing actions for me.
No?

okay done skimming here are my town reads
stop derailing the thread trying to meta me please?

gamma, creature, comm, njac, Alban

no overly strong scum reads yet
you think any of those 5 are scum tho? bet

I think Comm is scum.
Why do you town read him?
Your other reads I'm fine with, but that one looks straight up bad.

why do you scum read him in one post go
am I going to town case? no

[MuttonChopMagic]

okay done skimming here are my town reads

stop derailing the thread trying to meta me please?

gamma, creature, comm, njac, Alban

no overly strong scum reads yet
you think any of those 5 are scum tho? bet

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: cooperative sheep

[MuttonChopMagic]

yes they do if you know how to say them
slant rhymes are cool, unlike you my dear maiden

[MuttonChopMagic]

lol just quit while you're ahead
you don't understand rhyming and it's irrelevant to the thread

[MuttonChopMagic]

why do you scum read him in one post go
am I going to town case? no

1. Scum case = He is making up/misrepping things in order to attack me, but is scared to talk about them/admit what he's doing.
2. Why no town case for a top town read you're attacking me for suspecting?

show where he's making and misrepping things
town cases are effort and I'm lazy ya dig

[MuttonChopMagic]

if he becomes the biggest wagon and legit might get roped
but for now he's just a guy and the effort scale is sloped

[MuttonChopMagic]

njac and creature are still green
to be quite honest fosing them is mean

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: agent

[MuttonChopMagic]

town, still
chill chill

[MuttonChopMagic]

my vote is no longer on you sheep
tryna see how it plays out peep

[MuttonChopMagic]

and I decided I wanted to see how you two played put
agent is probably scum though no doubt

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: sesq

[MuttonChopMagic]

How about you explain your town read on him now though.
I'd love to hear it.
Because he is oozing scum.
Even a town read on him needs to be threadbare, gut, or role related and so shouldn't have anyone claiming an issue with a scum read on him - no?

@Mutton

I don't town read him anymore
at first I did but it was a bore
early day his posts felt genuine to me
now i think he could've buddied me, yippee
today i don't want to lynch in you two
still not quite sure who

[MuttonChopMagic]

well you see
rhyming isn't just fun for me
I BELIEVE
people will sheep
out of glee
but anyways
don't lynch in comm and sheep today lames
if either are scum it'll probably resolve
give it more time, let the lynch revolve
sesq is pretty much useless as of now
so I think I want to lynch that cow

[MuttonChopMagic]

well you see
rhyming isn't just fun for me
I BELIEVE
people will sheep
out of glee
but anyways
don't lynch in comm and sheep today lames
if either are scum it'll probably resolve
give it more time, let the lynch revolve
sesq is pretty much useless as of now
so I think I want to lynch that cow

As much as I dislike what Sesq is doing, right now I don't think she's the scummiest player in the game. I'd rather see a CK flip and work from there. Do you think that the back-and-forth between him and Coop Sheep is going to make any real progress on Day 2? He's had plenty of time to justify the lynch already and the argument is just spinning in circles at this point.

Oh, and I forgot to point this out, but NJAC is not a viable target today and I don't understand the suspicion on him. That's another thing that's been left dangling and unjustified.

most scummy, no.
most useless, though
I hate when people leave easy mislynches alive til late
especially when said mislynch is already scummy as cake
I believe town!comm will help gamesolve
I believe town!sesq will just let it devolve
it's risk vs reward, d1 lynches are usually wrong
so my urge to just lynch useless dude is strong

[MuttonChopMagic]

yes, comm claimed Miller
Idk what to say so here's some filler

[MuttonChopMagic]

who are your scum reads
I'll even say please

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: Cooperative Sheep

Not being cooperative.

i've had enough

VOTE: NTRP

should be less mobile

Once again, why?

you're not helping

also comm is still scummy as all hell

@GE because i cant decide anything

I guess asking you to share your thoughts doesnt help then. Newbie queue has taught me nothing.

wrong

you haven't been taught nothing, you've learned nothing.

ignore sesq Paul
he's definitely not the best of all
bad play + being a dick for no reason
if he's town that's almost treason

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: comm
ok

[MuttonChopMagic]

just lynch comm knight
if you let this no lynch I'll fight

[MuttonChopMagic]

a lynch is better than none
and your content since me tring you has been bum

[MuttonChopMagic]

I am a teapot short and stout
if it's a no lynch I will pout

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: commonighr

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: sheep

[MuttonChopMagic]

n1 doc should claim who they healed
and any n1 cop results as well ya feel

[MuttonChopMagic]

I protected NJAC last night. We should both be near-conftown barring another claim.

why njac

[MuttonChopMagic]

{NJAC, Lunae}
{Gamma Emerald, alban, NotTheRealPaul}
{Cooperative Sheep, aronagrundy, MuttonChopMagic} <---Null/undecided
{}
{Creature, Hellfire Missile}
{Sesq, CommKnight}

why did you tr njac that strongly

[MuttonChopMagic]

no killing risks conf towning two people much more often than it "conf towns" a scum

the only time scum no kills is if scum!agent wants to have some fun

[MuttonChopMagic]

there can be two n1 cops in theory
gamma doc is kinda eerie
I don't believe scum would kill him there
could sheep be another n1 doc? yea but I don't really care
I think he's lying and is scum
I think my initial scum read on him was right, fun
sheep gets lynched today
also, he claimed n1 doc so he's vt at worst, yay

[MuttonChopMagic]

maybe, but I wouldn't go that far
that play wouldn't really be a star
I scumread sheep separately and gamma was not a viable kill
no clue why hed be docced in the first place still
sheep will probably come up with some b.s. though
he wouldn't have faked with gamma if he couldn't bro

[MuttonChopMagic]

sesq is almost policy lynch worthy
getting there girly

[MuttonChopMagic]

I was N1 doc and saved Creature.
This is the reason why I was a bit suspicious of Agent's claim.
Although there could be 2 docs, for me it's unlikely that there could be 3 docs on N1.
I would like to lynch between Agent and Sheep.

I protected Gamma.

Vote: Hellfire

Would also do Aron.

@Sesq - it is not pretty evident why, remember yesterday? Use your words.

I protected NJAC last night. We should both be near-conftown barring another claim.

[MuttonChopMagic]

I believe 2 doc claims are probably scum
"hey what if we cc each other thatd be fun"
sheep is the lynch though; that's common sense
gamma was never getting killed are you sense

[MuttonChopMagic]

Can i not be totally useless

ftfy
now fuck off please and thank you

[MuttonChopMagic]

if Alban is scum so is one of the other two
there was no other reason for scum to fake it boo

[MuttonChopMagic]

?

[MuttonChopMagic]

and what relevance does that have to my statement?
that does not rebut me great gam

[MuttonChopMagic]

o
rightyo

[MuttonChopMagic]

guys I want to be very very clear
I know i can't explain why properly so it sounds weird
scum!alban REQUIRES at least 1 more scum in {agent, sheep}
there was no other reason to claim there, he could've just lynched the town there and been meek
scum had to know town would want to lynch in 3 day 1 docs
so risking themselves like that *unless another claim was also scum* does not rock
I seperately scumread sheep and I seperately believe one of {agent, sheep} are scum though
so let's lynch one of them, right now, go go go

[MuttonChopMagic]

guys I want to be very very clear
I know i can't explain why properly so it sounds weird
scum!alban REQUIRES at least 1 more scum in {agent, sheep}
there was no other reason to claim there, he could've just lynched the town there and been meek
scum had to know town would want to lynch in 3 day 1 docs
so risking themselves like that *unless another claim was also scum* does not rock
I seperately scumread sheep and I seperately believe one of {agent, sheep} are scum though
so let's lynch one of them, right now, go go go

wait so if I get this alban ISNT the scum and agent or sheep are?

well, Alban could be the scum in theory
its just that IF Alban is scum then at least 1 of sheep and agent must ALSO be scum and I'm weary

[MuttonChopMagic]

guys I want to be very very clear
I know i can't explain why properly so it sounds weird
scum!alban REQUIRES at least 1 more scum in {agent, sheep}

there was no other reason to claim there,

he could've just lynched the town there and been meek
scum had to know town would want to lynch in 3 day 1 docs
so risking themselves like that *unless another claim was also scum* does not rock
I seperately scumread sheep and I seperately believe one of {agent, sheep} are scum though
so let's lynch one of them, right now, go go go

let's assume both sheep and sparkles are green
there is no more conf town because they "cc'd"
I had already accused sheep
scum!alban has no benefit of faking there to me
unless, of course, another doc claim is red
then after we lynch said scum or him the other would be in a good spot instead

[MuttonChopMagic]

so your argument is there is probably at least one town out of 3 players
much helpful, many thought, deep layers

[MuttonChopMagic]

I wasn't advancing it as a deep revelation - I was asked a question about why I thought as I did, and explained it.
Do you disagree with my logic?
Or are you just empty attacking?

so your argument is there is probably at least one town out of 3 players
much helpful, many thought, deep layers

Also, to clarify my point, my claim was that there is one *confirmed* town in the three - so lynching in them is silly.

there is no *confirmed* town here
if scum is one of the d1 cop claims then no killing conf towns them, you see?
yes it's unlikely but guess what
sure there's at least one of them that is close to conf town but
that isn't even close to a reason to not lynch any of them
and why did you consider gamma a good protect? if you said I don't rem

[MuttonChopMagic]

so why was he your strongest town read
that's the info we need

[MuttonChopMagic]

yea sheep is just scum
powerlynch away buds

[MuttonChopMagic]

yes, it's a slant rhyme
good luck next time

[MuttonChopMagic]

I can provide you the usual list of empty comments when asked about town reads, though I fail to see how they'll help, but here;

Looked like he was trying to game solve.
Didn't feel opportunistic.
Vibed town to me.
The points against him were few and those that existed sucked.
Yadda yadda.

I mean, there's absolutely nothing in my Day 1 that suggests I didn't town read him, as I only called him town and defended him, but even a semi-competent scum player would have the same. But all of this info is useless to you, so I guess blow me away with what you're doing with it (as you only ask me for it and no one else, which makes me question your motives).

okay let me explain why this post is horse shit
I asked BOTH Alban and sparkles why they chose who they thought would bite the bullet
so clearly that point is a lie
I don't only ask you, not even close my guy
I also asked you yesterday and you ignored the question
but anyways let's move on since you'll just claim to not be invested

"I can provide you the usual list of empty comments when asked about town reads, though I fail to see how they'll help"
there's 0 chance you're daft enough to not know how to explain a town read and well
even if you can't you're questioning the benefit which is fucked
I would wager people in rome know the benefit of convincing people someone is town bruh

"I mean, there's absolutely nothing in my Day 1 that suggests I didn't town read him, as I only called him town and defended him,

but even a semi-competent scum player would have the same

"
um, so theres two ways to interpret this and both from your end are still lame
so firstly, the bolded is you slipping that you're scum and any competent scum would defend gamma...
lol. the second and more realistic is you saying any competent scum could look the same level of town gamma did, drama
except for the small detail that gamma is your strongest town read
and you didn't even attempt to justify that, neat
now, let's look at the first line
you're basically bragging about your crime
okay... nothing suggests you didn't town read him... and somehow that makes it obvious he's your strongest town read and who you protected?
this is more bullshit than when Theresa May gets reelected
if hes your strongest town read you better have more justification than this
your case, your posting, your entire game is piss
I backed off you yesterday because comm was being a dork
but I regret it and am going to avenge him by impaling you with my pitchfork

[MuttonChopMagic]

{NJAC, Lunae}
{Gamma Emerald, alban, NotTheRealPaul}
{Cooperative Sheep, aronagrundy, MuttonChopMagic} <---Null/undecided
{}
{Creature, Hellfire Missile}
{Sesq, CommKnight}

why did you tr njac that strongly

maybe, but I wouldn't go that far
that play wouldn't really be a star
I scumread sheep separately and gamma was not a viable kill
no clue why hed be docced in the first place still
sheep will probably come up with some b.s. though
he wouldn't have faked with gamma if he couldn't bro

[MuttonChopMagic]

"2. I agree I know how to explain a town read - I actually did it, so I don't get your whine here."

no. you buzzworded. try again peer.

[MuttonChopMagic]

"1. You only asked Sparkles (never Alban) and you never got an answer out of Sparkles - so, yeah, I don't think you were actually targeting either of them, or are at least faking.
1a. I don't recall you asking me to explain my townread yesterday, my bad if I missed it. Vaguely think I didn't though."

has sparkles come back to the thread yet? no

[MuttonChopMagic]

just checked, didnt I guess I didn't ask Alban after all
however, creature is lock town + one of you and sparkles has to be scum for alban to be so play ball

[MuttonChopMagic]

"3. The bold is clearly describing myself - as saying that about Gamma makes no sense, but even if I *was* saying that about Gamma it wouldn't magically invalidate my other reasons even if I, for some reason, thought both."

so it's describing yourself. you scum slipped. nice bro.

[MuttonChopMagic]

town!hellfire
that read is higher

[MuttonChopMagic]

this may surprise you but I actually spend relatively little
I ghostwrite professionally, my rhymes on ms are often low effort shitholes

[MuttonChopMagic]

"2. I agree I know how to explain a town read - I actually did it, so I don't get your whine here."

no. you buzzworded. try again peer.

I did, but I actually think that's how townreads tend to always look when described.
Tell you what, you do one for Hellfire in the style you'd like to see me use, and then I'll do one for Gamma in that style.

"1. You only asked Sparkles (never Alban) and you never got an answer out of Sparkles - so, yeah, I don't think you were actually targeting either of them, or are at least faking.
1a. I don't recall you asking me to explain my townread yesterday, my bad if I missed it. Vaguely think I didn't though."

has sparkles come back to the thread yet? no

Okay...he actually did come back after you asked the question, and you didn't re-ask the question, but maybe you were waiting for him to come back yet again - my bad.

just checked, didnt I guess I didn't ask Alban after all
however, creature is lock town + one of you and sparkles has to be scum for alban to be so play ball

Yeah, I know - but you made such a big deal out of me being a liar...so...does this change your read on me at all?
Or are you just working an angle here and not scumhunting?

Why does one of the Docs *have* to be scum? We could all be town last I checked - what do you know that I don't about that?

"3. The bold is clearly describing myself - as saying that about Gamma makes no sense, but even if I *was* saying that about Gamma it wouldn't magically invalidate my other reasons even if I, for some reason, thought both."

so it's describing yourself. you scum slipped. nice bro.

I don't see the slip, please describe it?

town!hellfire
that read is higher

Is this how town reads are described?

I don't want to describe my townread on hellfire
I'm not the one who claimed to protect someone who'd never be killed, my situation isn't dire
gamma was your strongest town read, you should have specific things that made you think that
otherwise, the read is shat
no, sparkles didn't come back other than a prodge
stop trying to dodge
I appreciate you constantly shading me in your replies though
discrediting at the source is a strong scum tell bro
all of the docs could be town, yes
but you aren't, so bless

[MuttonChopMagic]

I can provide you the usual list of empty comments when asked about town reads, though I fail to see how they'll help, but here;

Looked like he was trying to game solve.
Didn't feel opportunistic.
Vibed town to me.
The points against him were few and those that existed sucked.
Yadda yadda.

I mean, there's absolutely nothing in my Day 1 that suggests I didn't town read him, as I only called him town and defended him, but even a semi-competent

scum

player would have the same. But all of this info is useless to you, so I guess blow me away with what you're doing with it (as you only ask me for it and no one else, which makes me question your motives).

[MuttonChopMagic]

I don't want to describe my townread on hellfire
I'm not the one who claimed to protect someone who'd never be killed, my situation isn't dire
gamma was your strongest town read, you should have specific things that made you think that
otherwise, the read is shat
no, sparkles didn't come back other than a prodge
stop trying to dodge
I appreciate you constantly shading me in your replies though
discrediting at the source is a strong scum tell bro
all of the docs could be town, yes
but you aren't, so bless

How about you quote me from another one of your games, or even any random player in ANY game - their description of a town read so I know what you're saying you want/need?
Since you are being obstinate and scummy.

I'll agree I'm throwing shade on you, but it's super valid shade that you could easily counter if you were town and being honest...so, why aren't you?

I'll agree that if we ignore when Sparkles came back that he hasn't come back.
You ducked my question about you calling me a liar and then me pointing out that I wasn't.

The slip - you failed to explain that too.

no, no, no, and no?
stop being intentionally stupid bro

[MuttonChopMagic]

tell ya what town
I'm gonna end this clown

if sheep does not flip scum powerlynch me tomorrow lmao

that is how confident my read is today yo
and, if that's not good enough, you can do the other way
if you truly don't believe i'm town and will sheep me after I die lynch me today

done with your useless back and forth
stop asking fucking stupid questions and acting retarded more
I don't have the time to entertain someone who's conf!scum
Will you get lynched or will town be morons and ignore this? find out dun dun dun...

[MuttonChopMagic]

I can provide you the usual list of empty comments when asked about town reads, though I fail to see how they'll help, but here;

Looked like he was trying to game solve.
Didn't feel opportunistic.
Vibed town to me.
The points against him were few and those that existed sucked.
Yadda yadda.

I mean, there's absolutely nothing in my Day 1 that suggests I didn't town read him, as I only called him town and defended him, but even a semi-competent

scum

player would have the same. But all of this info is useless to you, so I guess blow me away with what you're doing with it (as you only ask me for it and no one else, which makes me question your motives).

you said any semi competent scum player
you directly implied you were scum
later

[MuttonChopMagic]

You're also stating to do the exact things that got CommKnight lynched and that you called him 'going retarded over'.
So, maybe don't go retarded?
And talk to me like a person who wants to solve the game?

I did solve the game
parshly albeit lame
you're scum and I'm not letting you annoy me out of your lynch
people will sheep me, eventually, in a pinch

[MuttonChopMagic]

So you want a specific type of town case, but absolutely refuse to explain to me what sort of town case you want - and call me scum for refusing to give it in the style you refuse to explain?
Bwuh?

You also are pressing a fake slip, and by refusal to explain it are admitting that you're aware it wasn't a slip.

And even though you called me a liar as part of your scum case, despite now having to admit that I wasn't lying, your case remains unchanged.

Why should I think you're town?
Can you make a case for yourself?

I don't want a specific type of town case
you literally admitted you buzzworded brace face
saying random wiki words is not a case applied to gamma
I've already used this rhyme but knowing that doesn't take a diorama
I literally don't give a fuck what you claim to read me as, lol
you're caught scum and I'm not letting you weasel out of this one at all

[MuttonChopMagic]

because you're intentionally acting stupid and that bothers me
and no, using a "buzzword" is not buzzwording b

[MuttonChopMagic]

I can provide you the usual list of empty comments when asked about town reads, though I fail to see how they'll help, but here;

Looked like he was trying to game solve.
Didn't feel opportunistic.
Vibed town to me.
The points against him were few and those that existed sucked.
Yadda yadda.

I mean, there's absolutely nothing in my Day 1 that suggests I didn't town read him, as I only called him town and defended him, but even a semi-competent scum player would have the same. But all of this info is useless to you, so I guess blow me away with what you're doing with it (as you only ask me for it and no one else, which makes me question your motives).

you literally just said words, none related to him
that's buzzwording, using the common ping words and not saying anything with them
what about him made him look like he was game solving? in what way was he not opportunistic? what caused him to vibe town? etcetera
none of that applies to gamma. it applies to x player, doing x thing, not this player doing this thing. better
attach meaning to your fake town reads next time
you are eating rope for your crimes

[MuttonChopMagic]

I skimmed a couple of his games, there aren't many
neither were scum, and yes, his play was this zany

[MuttonChopMagic]

guys im setops stpp fuvking aroind
sheep is scum and I'll literally bet the game on it (if only that was allowed)

[MuttonChopMagic]

you literally just said words, none related to him
that's buzzwording, using the common ping words and not saying anything with them
what about him made him look like he was game solving? in what way was he not opportunistic? what caused him to vibe town? etcetera
none of that applies to gamma. it applies to x player, doing x thing, not this player doing this thing. better
attach meaning to your fake town reads next time
you are eating rope for your crimes

These are illogical whines that could have been solve
d by you asking this question initially instead of acting like I didn't answer your question.
I would say most of his questions feel like game solving - he probes at people (unlike, say, how it's taking me forever to get you to say what you mean) As an example look at Posts 267-271
I can't show lack of opportunism in a post - can you show presence of opportunism? If not, my stance pings true.
Vibing town is that, to me, his posts feel town. I'll give an example post - 401. Dishonesty is an easy thing for scum to leap on, so why question the veracity of dishonsty as a tell? That's town behavior.

It's all still buzzwords though.
Apparently you wanted post numbers?
Use your words.

I have this feeling Hellfire Missile got scum, anyone else does?

I also feel like that.
I also am suspect of the lack of bodies piling on to me during this debate with Mutton.
I think scum knows the bill of goods is bad, which makes Mutton derp town.

You should vote Hellfire with me.

Like I feel sheep knows what MCM means but is intentionally dancing around it if that makes sense.

I am asking him to specifically explain his thoughts.
Then I am mocking the answers and explaining why they're bad.

I do KNOW his answers insomuch as I suspect that he has bad reasons, and that's why I'm asking those questions - to allow me to showcase his bad logic and crush the case.
But I am allowing him to provide the answers in his own words, and not leap to conclusions.
I don't see how that would suggest I am either town or scum though - it does suggest that Mutton's case is pretty bad though.

What's your read on Hellfire?

so hellfire is their targeted mislynch. cool.
these are not "illogical whines", keep up with the drool
a town case isn't "here's 6 town tells from the wiki thus gamma is town"
that's the type of shit you see in the newbie queue clown
I'm not tolerating a hellfire mislynch
the only one getting roped here is the wooly grinch

[MuttonChopMagic]

the gamma case is eh and I'm not impressed
but there's more important things to be pressed
he intentionally acted dumb just to throw me off
constant digs, jobs, discrediting doesn't stop
it's setting up my lynch for a later time
so he can flip his read on me if it suits him fine
I thought he was scum on day one
but then comm started sliding, I subbed in near deadline, panicked not fun
needed a lynch, so I gave up and let comm be roped
I regretted it after and thought I was toast
I was pretty sure sheep was scum coming into the day
I let it stew, but he claimed d1 doc on an awful target, hooray

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: sparkles

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: sheep
misread his post
sparkles, are you caught up bro

[MuttonChopMagic]

there was no universe where gamma was shot
so, tbqh, just stop

[MuttonChopMagic]

[MuttonChopMagic]

I was N1 doc and saved Creature.
This is the reason why I was a bit suspicious of Agent's claim.
Although there could be 2 docs, for me it's unlikely that there could be 3 docs on N1.
I would like to lynch between Agent and Sheep.

I protected Gamma.

Vote: Hellfire

Would also do Aron.

@Sesq - it is not pretty evident why, remember yesterday? Use your words.

I protected NJAC last night. We should both be near-conftown barring another claim.

[MuttonChopMagic]

Do I switch to Comm's wagon because I want a lynch to go through
Or do i stick with Sesq in the hopes that someone lynches her

ughhhhhh
He's at L-2 atm
VOTE: Comm Might as well add an intent to hammer due to the fact that people might be missing and comm might as well know
Some may ask, Hellfire, why the vote switch? I'm not seeing a Sesq lynch go through so might as well sheep am i right
Just want a lynch today
May not be the correct one but due to my failure to scum read anyone else i'm going to go what what yall say
because i've been tunneling Sesq the entire time, which may have damned me but honestly i don't care

This entire post seems fake and looks rushed.

considering it wad within hours of deadline not sure where rushed being bad comes from
anyways, ignore pretty much everything sheep tries to tell you as he's scum

[MuttonChopMagic]

if you idiots refuse to read any of hellfires other games, keep ignoring me and mislynch him that's on you
but after that, sheep better fucking be roped too

[MuttonChopMagic]

There are three doc claims for N1.
So that's a thing.

NJAC, Gamma, and Creature are the declared targets (by Sparkles, myself, and Alban respectively)
People are trying to lynch within the protects, and don't understand why that's silly.
So that's also a thing.

So correct me if wrong here

Sparkles protected NJAC
You protected Gamma
Alban protected Creature

What reasons did these 3 get protected?

If we Lynch in any group it should be from Sparkles, you or Alban, right?

I was N1 doc and saved Creature.
This is the reason why I was a bit suspicious of Agent's claim.
Although there could be 2 docs, for me it's unlikely that there could be 3 docs on N1.
I would like to lynch between Agent and Sheep.

I protected Gamma.

Vote: Hellfire

Would also do Aron.

@Sesq - it is not pretty evident why, remember yesterday? Use your words.

I protected NJAC last night. We should both be near-conftown barring another claim.

[MuttonChopMagic]

sparkles still hasn't answered my question
so when he comes back I expect that complexion

[MuttonChopMagic]

5, sesq also hard claimed night 4 doctor
why? absolutely no reason. fishing for a "cc" roflcoptor

[MuttonChopMagic]

Any reason you put saved there and not protected, Mutton?
Why pick Creature?

no clue where you're talking about so no?
considering they're synonyms that's a useless question tho

[MuttonChopMagic]

if sheep is town sparkles is scum
if sheep is not, sparkles still might not be one

[MuttonChopMagic]

um I'm not Alban
try again?

also for the record I do thinm this is town creature
also sheep I am getting links to feature

[MuttonChopMagic]

also, why "I" protected creature should be answered
but saved v protected is not master

[MuttonChopMagic]

forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8445979

forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=69150

just skim the isos
I haven't seen his scum game though

[MuttonChopMagic]

We should consider cop/doc massclaiming but omitting the night.

Since we have 4 docs outed minimum, if all are honest, we can use this to overload either cop or doctor claims. This can only be done before a scum flip though.

Hello?

5 outed docs if you missed that
but that means cop claims can just be killed like splat
after all, docs are dead or invalid mostly
so no, mass claim rn isn't toasty

[MuttonChopMagic]

actually yea if docs are honest scum can either way
so I'm fine, vedith volunteered to go first and popcorn today

[MuttonChopMagic]

So can you give the precise list of claims Mutton?

sesq claimed night four doc for no real reason
sheep, alban, sparkles claimed night one doc this season
obviously, comm is dead doc
and gamma, I think 1-2 is scum brah

[MuttonChopMagic]

{NJAC, Lunae}
{Gamma Emerald, alban, NotTheRealPaul}
{Cooperative Sheep, aronagrundy, MuttonChopMagic} <---Null/undecided
{}
{Creature, Hellfire Missile}
{Sesq, CommKnight}

why did you tr njac that strongly

Phone's about to die, will be back in a few

3rd tries the charm I suppose
answer in your next post or any wagon besides yours will be opposed

[MuttonChopMagic]

okay sorry for cheating but I'm not waiting 3 more days for him to come back
I override because it doesnt really matter and popcorn it to gamma, gimme a god damn plack

[MuttonChopMagic]

thsts not hoe you spell plaque
fuckin ballsack

[MuttonChopMagic]

objection
resurrection
you can claim and popcorn it to me
it doesn't matter because the "protect" was scummy

[MuttonChopMagic]

GAMMA EMERALD SIR
CLAIM YOUR ROLE durrr

[MuttonChopMagic]

cop cup
gamma up

[MuttonChopMagic]

[MuttonChopMagic]

I have a reply but I'm gonna wait until mass claim is done first for ~reasons~ that are sublime
UNVOTE: and maybe a future omgus vote but not at this time

[MuttonChopMagic]

lemme tldr that awesome catchup though. after all, in this BRIGHT YOUTHFUL GENERATION who has time to read a post when you can make someone take the piss

useless shade, defending something nobody attacked, , useless shade, njac is town but he might not be, vedith is town, wait nvm he's not, rehash, dumb question, oh look a random vote on the guy you uselessly shaded (you could make a religion out of this)

[MuttonChopMagic]

why would the list of claims matter for your claim?
it shouldn't take 3 posts for a 3 letter reply mayne

[MuttonChopMagic]

actually I'm not cop I was hoping scum would fake but w/e, Im doc
I tried to make it so I could claim last but yall are cocks

[MuttonChopMagic]

that is also why I am so set on lynching a doc claim
3 d1 docs, 4th dead doc, 5th sesq doc, 6th me? lame

[MuttonChopMagic]

that is also why I am so set on lynching a doc claim
3 d1 docs, 4th dead doc, 5th sesq doc, 6th me? lame

Plus Titus

yes. this is my pov before mass claim. and why I was so tunnelled on the bullshit doc claims. agent and sheep has at least 1 scum and shouldn't stat alive

actually I'm not cop I was hoping scum would fake but w/e, Im doc
I tried to make it so I could claim last but yall are cocks

Yuck...

You knew the point of the exercise was to narrow down which pool had to have scum but you totally wrecked it and tried to change things.

This is very anti-town at best.

Now, one of the doc claimers must be scum.

yes. I was messing with scum. the goal was to have a setup that was 7 docs to 6 cops (with 5 being revealed if all are town) and then making it 8-5 mostly clearing the cops. unfortunately this means the setup is probably 5-5.

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: mutton

I don't really give a shit, forgot how lally this site is so it's inevitable. I'm gonna be lynched.
you guys WILL lynch in agent and sheep tomorrow, and if you hit town the other goes after. cinch.

[MuttonChopMagic]

also, I don't think this is town!Titus because town!Titus does not act like this.
hellfire and creature are town and should never be lynched
sesq, eh, mightve been going for a derp clear
still possibly town i fear

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: mutton

I don't really give a shit, forgot how lally this site is so it's inevitable. I'm gonna be lynched.
you guys WILL lynch in agent and sheep tomorrow, and if you hit town the other goes after. cinch.

No. They are my biggest TRs. Lying and being anti-town isn't encouraging me to look elsewhere. Nor is trying to dictate me to lynch elsewhere. I am voting you or Sesq today.

and you're probably scum so i don't care
you do gambits all the time including the ones that are pretty wholly awful like slayers, vedith is the type of bitch (ily) who might subscribe to lal but you aren't one as town to go there

[MuttonChopMagic]

Creature [cop]
Sesq n3 doc
Hellfire Missile cop
Agent Sparkles n1 doc
NJAC cop
Gamma Emerald cop
Titus doc
Cooperative Sheep n1 doc
alban n1 doc
Vedith cop
NotTheRealPaul cop
MuttonChopMagic [doc]
CommKnight dead doc

So yes it's 6 and 6
So Creature is very likely determining the route of today.

comm is conf doc. I am conf doc (from my flip). i am clearing Alban as doc.
that leaves {sheep, agent, Titus, sesq} which doesn't rock
there's probably 2 scum in here and one in the cops
if the scum is sesq then he might be the only scum cop probs
if it's any of the other 3 a second one of them is red
scum!Titus proposing mass claim would make sense if one of the d1 docs were scum as well (not instead)

[MuttonChopMagic]

Like I don't think town just refuses to fight their lynch if they really believe that they're pushing obvscum, but realize that what you're doing is extremely anti-wincon if you really are town

This. So much this.

doesn't matter. I know when there's no chance. this playerlist is not going to change their minds
it's pro wincon if people actually listen to my lynch order. of course, egos mean that almost never happens, but worth a try

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: mutton

I don't really give a shit, forgot how lally this site is so it's inevitable. I'm gonna be lynched.
you guys WILL lynch in agent and sheep tomorrow, and if you hit town the other goes after. cinch.

No. They are my biggest TRs. Lying and being anti-town isn't encouraging me to look elsewhere. Nor is trying to dictate me to lynch elsewhere. I am voting you or Sesq today.

and you're probably scum so i don't care
you do gambits all the time including the ones that are pretty wholly awful like slayers, vedith is the type of bitch (ily) who might subscribe to lal but you aren't one as town to go there

Slayers is good in rare instances like if you have loved modifier. I don't lie, but the last time I ran slayers my personal reads were off but the rest of town laser focused on Dunn because his case on me was bad.

that's not my point, I'm not here to argue whether or not gambits are pro town
you get away with them because people know you do them. I'm an alt that doesn't want to out my main so I can't get away with that. forgot the environment, that makes me the clown
the POINT is that you yourself do lie. saying "I don't lie" is objectively false when your next sentence is an example of you lying.
gambits are lying, just like my lynchpool gambit. I tried having gamma claim. vedith and gamma kicked up a fit and it's not worth fighting, or rather trying
so instead I claimed cop. if all the docs were town scum would know all 6 docs were out and not fake it. I wanted to bait fakes.
and the evidence is there, you see it in me tunnelling doc claims because mathematically all 6 docs being out day 2 including myself is not a reasonable make
plus the fact I initially resisted claiming is more than a possibility
so, this is mafiascum and people can't meta me as a liar ans therefore want to lynch me
I'll unvote myself because there's no real point to it I guess
but the lynch is gonna happen and people need to know letting you run the game isn't blessed
UNVOTE:

[MuttonChopMagic]

also, I don't think this is town!Titus because town!Titus does not act like this.
hellfire and creature are town and should never be lynched
sesq, eh, mightve been going for a derp clear
still possibly town i fear

Ok, are you claiming alt here? I don't recall a game with you.

Second, I propose this very plan when I am town. I didn't when I was scum. Furthermore, the mod forgot to tell us or I failed to notice how many doc/cop claims existed.

Mutton? Are you going to answer this or the other meta question or are you just going to lie and expect me to let it go?

I've said I was alt. Forgot you don't read games when you sub in.
Second, What's the other meta question?

[MuttonChopMagic]

Alt of who, Mutton?

VOTE: mutton

I don't really give a shit, forgot how lally this site is so it's inevitable. I'm gonna be lynched.
you guys WILL lynch in agent and sheep tomorrow, and if you hit town the other goes after. cinch.

No. They are my biggest TRs. Lying and being anti-town isn't encouraging me to look elsewhere. Nor is trying to dictate me to lynch elsewhere. I am voting you or Sesq today.

and you're probably scum so i don't care
you do gambits all the time including the ones that are pretty wholly awful like slayers, vedith is the type of bitch (ily) who might subscribe to lal but you aren't one as town to go there

Slayers is good in rare instances like if you have loved modifier. I don't lie, but the last time I ran slayers my personal reads were off but the rest of town laser focused on Dunn because his case on me was bad.

that's not my point, I'm not here to argue whether or not gambits are pro town
you get away with them because people know you do them. I'm an alt

that doesn't want to out my main

so I can't get away with that. forgot the environment, that makes me the clown
the POINT is that you yourself do lie. saying "I don't lie" is objectively false when your next sentence is an example of you lying.
gambits are lying, just like my lynchpool gambit. I tried having gamma claim. vedith and gamma kicked up a fit and it's not worth fighting, or rather trying
so instead I claimed cop. if all the docs were town scum would know all 6 docs were out and not fake it. I wanted to bait fakes.
and the evidence is there, you see it in me tunnelling doc claims because mathematically all 6 docs being out day 2 including myself is not a reasonable make
plus the fact I initially resisted claiming is more than a possibility
so, this is mafiascum and people can't meta me as a liar ans therefore want to lynch me
I'll unvote myself because there's no real point to it I guess
but the lynch is gonna happen and people need to know letting you run the game isn't blessed
UNVOTE:

we have played btw vedith but not recently
once, or twice, at most 3

[MuttonChopMagic]

Yeah but alt of who?

we have played btw vedith but not recently
once, or twice, at most 3

Was you impressed by me?

If you missed it see the bolded in that paragraph I quoted
I caught and tunnelled scum vedith. I was happy with town vedith. I don't remember if we won though

[MuttonChopMagic]

Gambits aren't lies at all, well most aren't. Lying to be in control when your reads are backwards isn't protown at all. If I can't trust you to get through a basic massclaim without an agenda, what can I trust you for?

Your agenda seems to be do whatever it takes to lynch town, woah is me. That behavior needs to be lynched out of this site in favor of respectable, logical play. We do that, town win rates skyrocket.

When things turn into who is jockeying for control, most of the time the dumb opinions win because they have scum backing.

PSA don't dress up lying as a gambit.

"A Gambit is any action made to further a player's agenda"
I furthered my agenda by attempting to get fake cop claims jennA

slayers gambit: lol I'm bad at this game... wait it's just a prank bro but lol caught u
as in, you aren't playing a genuine game, aka lying. any more gambits you'd like to site that you do?

[MuttonChopMagic]

A skilled player has gambits in their arsenal and knows when to use them. I don't say never but a gambit that doesn't stop others from getting reads is a good thing.

It didn't stop you from getting reads. You have a pool of 7 docs and a pool of 6 cops. Enjoy.
I claimed within a short period of the last claim coming in. You missed minutes of not being able to get reads. Oh boy.
There was a high reward if claims worked out better.
That didn't happen so now we have this pitter patter.

[MuttonChopMagic]

You're not responding to my fundamental concern and instead trying to lecture me with a faulty definition. A gambit cannot be the definition you say because a gambit would be every single post.

I have played on this site for 3+ years. I have probably done every gambit there is.

But my concern is this.

If you are willing to lie to try and force a sheep or Sparkles lynch, why should I trust you?

That was quoting the first line from the wiki
and your concern is icky

when did my lieing do anything to force a sheep or sparkles lynch? confused as a bat
I never said I had a cop guilty or anything of the like because I'm nowhere near the level of sure to do that
I pushed sheep and sparkles because I scum read both
and 6 docs being all 6 outed roles is not likely, not even close
But lying never had anything to do with me lynching them?
What do you mean by that my friend

[MuttonChopMagic]

Like I don't think town just refuses to fight their lynch if they really believe that they're pushing obvscum, but realize that what you're doing is extremely anti-wincon if you really are town

This. So much this.

doesn't matter. I know when there's no chance. this playerlist is not going to change their minds
it's pro wincon if people actually listen to my lynch order. of course, egos mean that almost never happens, but worth a try

God, I see this mindset too much and I want to kill it with fire.

Killing yourself won't suddenly make your reads or pushes more valid, regardless of alignment. Especially when you've done things like try to push slips that are painfully obviously not there. You still haven't made a case on me, by the way, just an empty post discrediting a bunch of arguably valid points.

I also haven't voted you
When did i push slips too?

[MuttonChopMagic]

As much as I scumread Sparkles, yeah I agree that this is optimal.
VOTE: MuttonChopMagic

Gamma scum

Yeah, quite likely.

Haven't seen you unvote Mutton.

Why can't we be partners? It isn't town that strikes me
In fact, with how sure I am you weren't protected, wouldn't thst make it more likely?

[MuttonChopMagic]

@Mutton - who we lynching?

A doc claim. Titus might just be me tilting, not sure on who as of now id bet
and sesq could easily be upplaying his newbiness yet

[MuttonChopMagic]

I guess
VOTE: sesq

[MuttonChopMagic]

You're not responding to my fundamental concern and instead trying to lecture me with a faulty definition. A gambit cannot be the definition you say because a gambit would be every single post.

I have played on this site for 3+ years. I have probably done every gambit there is.

But my concern is this.

If you are willing to lie to try and force a sheep or Sparkles lynch, why should I trust you?

That was quoting the first line from the wiki
and your concern is icky

when did my lieing do anything to force a sheep or sparkles lynch? confused as a bat
I never said I had a cop guilty or anything of the like because I'm nowhere near the level of sure to do that
I pushed sheep and sparkles because I scum read both
and 6 docs being all 6 outed roles is not likely, not even close
But lying never had anything to do with me lynching them?
What do you mean by that my friend

Your play has been an attempt to.

If you felt your lie was so righteous, why self vote? Why would you expect us to suddenly follow your reads when you feel that lying to us is better than honest discussion? I trust people with clear motivations. Yours aren't.

Talk to me about Sesq.

My lie was a misplay, and in addition I no longer have a meta of lying as town to cite
I lied explicitly because of how little confidence I have in this town. You and Vedith if town are both some might
I self voted because I didn't want a day of me not getting lynched and people scumreading me enough to not want to sheep me
with rhyming, only mobile access, and lack of time all as factors I don't have time to properly tunnel those I scumread
All they need to do is post long posts and I can't keep up which is what has happened with both
and it's very unlikely both are scum, of course
With me self voting and getting lynched it shows my behaviour is town and that much can't be argued
And hopefully you/vedith/people would re look at my reads with the knowledge they're town and lynch you know who
but, nah, self voting is pretty objectively wrong so I shouldn't have
blame it on me not thinking ever before I post or whatever you gave
as for sesq? I can't really decide about her
I've seen a mislynch because she's scummy as fuck as a per
(son) but this game she tried baiting a cc while simultaneously "townslipping"; doesn't really read as real
and her behaviour hasn't helped town in the slightest, just been useless and confusing my dear

[MuttonChopMagic]

"I mean, there's absolutely nothing in my Day 1 that suggests I didn't town read him, as I only called him town and defended him,

but even a semi-competent scum player would have the same

"
um, so theres two ways to interpret this and both from your end are still lame
so firstly, the bolded is you slipping that you're scum and any competent scum would defend gamma...

"3. The bold is clearly describing myself - as saying that about Gamma makes no sense, but even if I *was* saying that about Gamma it wouldn't magically invalidate my other reasons even if I, for some reason, thought both."

so it's describing yourself. you scum slipped. nice bro.

you said any semi competent scum player
you directly implied you were scum
later

Mutton pushing a "slip"

A small part of a lengthy ish case
and considering I was already voting sheep before that, clearly not all I see of his face

[MuttonChopMagic]

"I mean, there's absolutely nothing in my Day 1 that suggests I didn't town read him, as I only called him town and defended him,

but even a semi-competent scum player would have the same

"
um, so theres two ways to interpret this and both from your end are still lame
so firstly, the bolded is you slipping that you're scum and any competent scum would defend gamma...

"3. The bold is clearly describing myself - as saying that about Gamma makes no sense, but even if I *was* saying that about Gamma it wouldn't magically invalidate my other reasons even if I, for some reason, thought both."

so it's describing yourself. you scum slipped. nice bro.

you said any semi competent scum player
you directly implied you were scum
later

Mutton pushing a "slip"

A small part of a lengthy ish case
and considering I was already voting sheep before that, clearly not all I see of his face

My problems with it are still there. You clearly believed (or at least pretended to believe) what you were saying and used it with conviction, so why should the fact that it's not the main part of your case change my mind?

I still don't think it was wrong to point out
do you think it was wrong? if so, what about

[MuttonChopMagic]

hey I have an idea and please don't pout
if you don't have time to play and don't care... maybe SUB OUT?

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: Sesq

MCM is town at this point.

HM probably wont get lynched today and Sesq isnt being protown
And do we have 7 doc claims 6 cop? Sorry I lost track. Coukd someone quote or make a list of the claims?

[MuttonChopMagic]

you not lol
you paul

[MuttonChopMagic]

sesq, as much as I love the whole philosophical attack that's not an argument anyone will listen to
if you go to a wedding and start screaming "the cake is a lie" people are still going to eat the cake unless you prove it's a lie though

[MuttonChopMagic]

sesq is gonna get lynched, still not even trying to help a bit, without being vernose
sheep is prolly gonna get subbed and were gonna probs have 48 hrs after that so deadline really isn't thst close

[MuttonChopMagic]

there's nothing to talk about
two of sesq agent navy will flip red it's not worth it to pout

[MuttonChopMagic]

no, alban is town. try again clown.

[MuttonChopMagic]

read the game or don't question me mane.

[MuttonChopMagic]

ftr not reading a game is generally a bad call
Titus doesn't read when she subs either but don't care enough to tell her why that's bad and all

[MuttonChopMagic]

why's Alban scum?
we can 1v1 if you wanna be dumb

[MuttonChopMagic]

his claim probably only comes from town no matter how you share
you see two d1 doc claims.. scum don't intuitively decide to jump right in there
this is how Alban plays. he disappears for a while, cones back with some weird logic, the like
I haven't seen scum Alban but I've seen town Alban do this twice
and yet, alban has decent reads when we've played
and I agree with his reads, particularly who he saved
cause I think this was town creature like I've raved
ALSO - he argued coherently against mass claim when he's already claimed
tryna say that's scum motivated is shifting the blame
I see no good reason to believe this is scum!Alban as opposed to lynchbait town Alban
but on a more interesting note, why do you think sesq it town? hrs scummier than the taliban

[MuttonChopMagic]

so you have read the thread. why did you ignore my Alban comments among others then?

[MuttonChopMagic]

have you played with Alban before?
if not ignore it's a chore but don't be bored do some more research
I implore you to skim another Alban game sorr-e if you have better things to do but this too is helpful it's true

[MuttonChopMagic]

well, I'm afraid meta works on some players
albans game is simple, there aren't many layers
meta doesn't have to have conf bias yknow
it does require more than 2 minutes of work to be efficient though

[MuttonChopMagic]

and anyone capable of doing that is not a player you can meta, it's like the turtle and the rabbit
sure, use the bad argument that this could be the game where they break their habits
if someone has played 50 games with all 11 scum games being obviously different than their town ones
then you don't go into the 51st assuming their town meta is no longer valid and that's done
law of averages, and really, there is no reason Alban would break that here
there's no amazing player who could hypothetically be a buddy coaching him except me but I'm town my dear
it is one thing to tell someone to break a cycle
but that's not something everyone can trifle
albans not at the level where he has both a good town game and a close enough to not be metad scum side
so he is an example of a player you can meta with pride

[MuttonChopMagic]

I already said I haven't seen his scum game
I've seen his town twice and this is the same

[MuttonChopMagic]

I saw him get mislynched in both of those games
fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, still shame
basically if you fool me you're just shameful and lame
the point is I'm not allowing him to be mislynched again for appearing scummy mayne

[MuttonChopMagic]

and what is the benefit to scum!Alban claiming n1 doc there?
it just doesn't make sense when or where

[MuttonChopMagic]

fuck my nugget but plug it

jj can be town I think
I haven't played with njac before but he's p towny ya dink
my strongest scum reads are all docs so regardless of sesq flip I'll probs keep lynching there
when I think of how sheep and sparkles both played and how 1 at least is probs town im scared

[MuttonChopMagic]

prodge
aka prod dodge

[MuttonChopMagic]

I'm the best catch these hands
sesq should've been hammered days ago my man

[MuttonChopMagic]

dont buy that but if you're green play less trash
go to the newbie queue and stay there (intentionally brash)

[MuttonChopMagic]

first of all, that would have no relevance, second of all I'm an alt which I'm pretty sure I've said in this game
third of all, you could be the oldest player on this site and you should still be in Rome with that quality of play

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: math

you never meta creature wrong? rejection
i meta'd him right so clearly this isn't a weird playing exception

[MuttonChopMagic]

unfortunately I think this is town!navy
that means agent is scum b
{agent, math, Titus} is probably the team
least confident on Titus, but her shoving mass claim down wasn't great
also, this is ironic but her sesq read in hindsight was bad and she was the main cause of the rope
and her naked voting me when I'm obv town is also not very dope
I still see town!Titus because her interactions with me yday felt somewhat real
but I don't know who the third scum would be and either way she has time to show that since she's third lynch ya feel

[MuttonChopMagic]

All aboard the Titus hug train.

[MuttonChopMagic]

I think I have probably confused mutton and creature posts at some point during the first 15 pages. ANyway
418- Is really shitty especially given what happened and my read on HM right now. I don't get how the quoted post reveals anything and it feels like just an easy way to get on a wagon.
424-its fucking day end and you are on a townwagon, what a great time to not have any scum reads.
438-Wow I disagree with basically every read here. Actually the 262 read was pretty good, meh basically only disagree on Sesq and that is probably a bit hindsight driven, Commnight I think is more towny (at least than creature or HM), Lunae hasn't stood out to me in any major respect, but the thought process is good and I like the progression a lot. No clue which slot this is though (turns out is was pyra, I don't remember who that was)
447 is weird, 448 is pretty good, wish I had thought of that >.>
452 I like a lot, the defending of Sesq is a lot of why I like Comm. Yes it could be a WK (which doesn't happen as much as people like to through the word around because it was in the wiki, like I like the wiki but not everything that happens in game is a buzzword [/rant]) but he is getting way more flack for it then he needs to to make a really good defense (and why I liked sesq's play by itself)
Mutton's sheep vote and no explanation is sucky, though 491 (the not super awkward rhyming part) is a good reaction to an awful PoE
562-nobody cares whether or not coop is scared of gut reads (

he probably isn't

), but you need to have more than just that at this point. EWOP: Comm died and was town, rip me misread the OP thought sesq was the lynch

Also why are we killing doc claims?

your first quote: that's not even close to day end AND YOU KNOW THAT BECAYSE YOU REPLY TO MY ACTUAL DAY END VOTE - my comm vote WAS a day end trying to make sure we didn't no lynch that day
this post is bullshit, your commentary is bullshit, this whole thing is bullshit. (if anyone gets that reference yay)

[MuttonChopMagic]

who did titlepoop replace because that slot is a scummy disgrace

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: math

you never meta creature wrong? rejection
i meta'd him right so clearly this isn't a weird playing exception

Why are you voting a cop claim? We lynch within doc claimers until scum is found.

because math is my strongest scum read and there's no longer a majority of doc claims alive (great!)
there's guaranteed at least 1 scum in 5 people. that's not mathematically worth it at this point mate.

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: titus

[MuttonChopMagic]

Titus, if town, you should know your plan is flawed.
if we lynch a doc and scum kills a cop the pool numbers stay almost equal brah.
and what happens if we lynch a scum doc? right back to square one ya cock
numbers are equal, scum still controls the kills, town is cockblocked

you aren't getting a mislynch on me mathus
but if either are you town and play less trashish

[MuttonChopMagic]

The n1 cops all looked pretty genuine.

?

[MuttonChopMagic]

It was Gamma, but hold on Mutton.

I want to hear what Itle thought was scummy about my day 1. I want to know if me pushing for Comm to not be lynched takes any factor in his read.

interesting because I thought gamma was town
gonna think this around

[MuttonChopMagic]

interesting addition to that, Titus should be able to read navy
has she even mentioned her? from memory no but maybe
she should be telling us navy is town or scum though
her not taking a stance is unlike my experience which is odd bro

[MuttonChopMagic]

if you're going to hard clear Titus stop softing it and claim it
no shit that's what you're crumbing, but I don't buy that shit
and neither of you have articulated why I'm scum at all
you're both not new players, you don't need to flop around like paul

[MuttonChopMagic]

2 things can happen here, alas
if math hardclaims an inno my lynchpool today is {sparkles, math}
if math flips town I can just doc Titus
and if math flips scum Titus is no longer clearitis
if people believe the claim, sparkles can be roped
also, and I can't stress this enough, tomorrow lylo if a mislynch folks
so if you want to accept maths inno as town you need to me completely solid in that
because tomorrow there's no room for pussyfooting around inoo n shat

[MuttonChopMagic]

I town read navy off experience with her
as has been a scum read for a long time and I haven't been subtle there

[MuttonChopMagic]

though, and this is an important fact
if Titus flips scum navy is no longer a town sack
it still weirds me out that Titus didn't read navy
I haven't seen them as scum together so that world maybe?
otherwise though yea this is town
navy is more useful as scum when around

[MuttonChopMagic]

though, and this is an important fact
if Titus flips scum navy is no longer a town sack
it still weirds me out that Titus didn't read navy
I haven't seen them as scum together so that world maybe?
otherwise though yea this is town
navy is more useful as scum when around

That's a lie. I responded to your question on Navy.

Vedith is also ovbious scum for his 180 with no reason in latest postings. *shrug*

yes, you responded to my question. that's not taking the initiative to give a read on a player you're extremely fanulat with.
and what vedith 180 are you talking about? and why is that a scum tell in thin?

[MuttonChopMagic]

though, and this is an important fact
if Titus flips scum navy is no longer a town sack
it still weirds me out that Titus didn't read navy
I haven't seen them as scum together so that world maybe?
otherwise though yea this is town
navy is more useful as scum when around

That's a lie. I responded to your question on Navy.

Vedith is also ovbious scum for his 180 with no reason in latest postings. *shrug*

yes, you responded to my question. that's not taking the initiative to give a read on a player you're extremely fanulat with.
and what vedith 180 are you talking about? and why is that a scum tell in thin?

That's because Navy subs out a lot and I read her wrong in Spring Fever. I wanted to make the right call not decide just because someone suggests I need to.

Second, Vedith 180ed on lynching within the doctors where known scum are, 180ed on his townread of me, and is just spewing "ego" rather than respond substantively to what's been said.

you aren't listening. if you have a ton of exp with a player it's your obligation to give thoughts.
you don't need to say navy is town or navy is scum. you could've said your prompted line of nulltownot
you didn't, and what this could mean is you didn't end up faking a read on your partner yet
I'm not saying that's the case, but it's something I'm thinking about. every time I've seen you and navy you've given a read. this game you didnt. bet?

when did vedith say he wasn't lynching in the docs?
how is changing a town read a 180 no?
I town read you yesterday, I don't now
is that a 180 or lying art thou?

[MuttonChopMagic]

though, and this is an important fact
if Titus flips scum navy is no longer a town sack
it still weirds me out that Titus didn't read navy
I haven't seen them as scum together so that world maybe?
otherwise though yea this is town
navy is more useful as scum when around

That's a lie. I responded to your question on Navy.

Vedith is also ovbious scum for his 180 with no reason in latest postings. *shrug*

yes, you responded to my question. that's not taking the initiative to give a read on a player you're extremely fanulat with.
and what vedith 180 are you talking about? and why is that a scum tell in thin?

That's because Navy subs out a lot and I read her wrong in Spring Fever. I wanted to make the right call not decide just because someone suggests I need to.

Second, Vedith 180ed on lynching within the doctors where known scum are, 180ed on his townread of me, and is just spewing "ego" rather than respond substantively to what's been said.

you aren't listening. if you have a ton of exp with a player it's your obligation to give thoughts.
you don't need to say navy is town or navy is scum. you could've said your prompted line of nulltownot
you didn't, and what this could mean is you didn't end up faking a read on your partner yet
I'm not saying that's the case, but it's something I'm thinking about. every time I've seen you and navy you've given a read. this game you didnt. bet?

when did vedith say he wasn't lynching in the docs?
how is changing a town read a 180 no?
I town read you yesterday, I don't now
is that a 180 or lying art thou?

I did give thoughts on Navy. You're claiming I didn't. They just weren't definitive thoughts for a reason. You're creating a narrative as to what happened. I've also given a navy read as scum. Vedith was in that game. In fact, in lylo I turned the attention towards solving Navy in that game.

Vedith has tried to push all day away from lynching you. That's the foundation for his read. FML if this is a 3 v 1 with all the scum attacking Math and me. Double FML if two of you are scum and math is buddying me.

There's no way this push stays on me implying I'm scum after a clear unless desperate scum or Math is scum and cred push to set me up later.

interesting addition to that, Titus should be able to read navy
has she even mentioned her? from memory no but maybe
she should be telling us navy is town or scum though
her not taking a stance is unlike my experience which is odd bro

I have a weak TR on Navy. Navy tends to be less comprehensible as town. Not rock solid here. Navy did fool me in Spring Fever though

your first mention towards navys alignment in this game.
for the last time, Titus, you're being super lame
your first two lines literally don't make sense, are you on meds?
you did give thoughts on navy... when I asked... which is what I said?
and again... that's still not what I said so stop being stupid jeez
I said you and navy might be buddies and that's why you might not have given a read
vedith might be pushing away from lynching me... here's a thought... because I'm obv town and you're being a scum fuck ting
I don't have vedith as conf town, I'm open to a case, but you're just spurting b.s. and haven't said anything close to convincing
if you think he's scum and you're town you need to give something more than "he isn't lynching who I want him to"
and for the last time.... if math hards an inno of course we lynch them before you

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Spring Fever is not the game I was referencing there. I was talking about the treestump game where I was scum.

Spring Fever is where you fooled me as scum.

But you already knew Navy was town. Wait, what's the argument here? I'm lost.

I said Titus might not have had a read on baby because they were teamed
her reply was to reference random things that are unrelated to a titus-navy scum dream
but, no, that's not going anywhere. she should actually answer my post.
she hasn't given any real reason for you or I to be scum of course

[MuttonChopMagic]

math disappearing after hard softing something thst had no reason to be softed is odd. it's a bit of a bother.
also... I find it unlikely Titus would he her check. this is just wifom, but like, didn't she town read Titus + woldnt you wanna save your check for someone you needed help reading aka not your brother?

[MuttonChopMagic]

okay well math start with this
do you hard claim an inno on Titus or are you just taking the piss

[MuttonChopMagic]

math disappearing after hard softing something thst had no reason to be softed is odd. it's a bit of a bother.
also... I find it unlikely Titus would he her check. this is just wifom, but like, didn't she town read Titus + woldnt you wanna save your check for someone you needed help reading aka not your brother?

Hey, I'm a woman.

Second, you haven't seen Math and I tunnel each other.

I have seen you tunnel math correctly.
I have not seen math tunnel you directly.
I have also not seen scum!Titus in a long ass time and I've never lost to scum!math (on my account that doesn't rhyme)

[MuttonChopMagic]

UNVOTE:

[MuttonChopMagic]

And the TLDR of the last few pages is people think it is Navy + Me + Titus.

Navy is pretty inactive and could be scum even though Titus is town. Not buying that theory. I think I know who Navy's main is and that is coloring my reads slightly but I think Navy is Town because Navy is <redacted> and inactive. So Navy is only a townread whereas Titus is town gold.

navy is aelita (not a secret I'm not outing them)
I already said I town read navy so I don't subscribe to dem
if your claim is true that means sparkles is scum
I think he's probably scum regardless so let's see his catch up if it comes

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math disappearing after hard softing something thst had no reason to be softed is odd. it's a bit of a bother.
also... I find it unlikely Titus would he her check. this is just wifom, but like, didn't she town read Titus + woldnt you wanna save your check for someone you needed help reading aka not your brother?

Hey, I'm a woman.

Second, you haven't seen Math and I tunnel each other.

I have seen you tunnel math correctly.
I have not seen math tunnel you directly.
I have also not seen scum!Titus in a long ass time and I've never lost to scum!math (on my account that doesn't rhyme)

And I have seen a random number generator take 10 times before it rolls a 1 on a d6.

Your point?

And you still won't whatever your main is because I am Town.

my point is that Titus said I haven't seen you and her tunnel each other?
which is wrong... which i answered... so why the bother?

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: math
okay, so I guess I need to start here
if math flips town I (or sparkles/navy if I'm scum) will doc Titus tonight and tomorrow depending on what night we are therefore protecting the clear
at min there's one town there and I doubt scum will risk the 50/50 and creating mylo (or an extra lynch altogether if there's only one scum doc) to save Titus
so, in the world where math is town we get to probably enter lylo with a conf town which is safer than hepatitis
and, I don't see a world where I'm comfortable taking math + inno to lylo rn
plus even if they're town of course scum will try to push them and then
we'd be in a hard spot at that point but
math just accredited Titus in this setup so a conftown Titus in lylo is cool as fucc
I think it's far more likely math is just scum here
for the 4th time her and Titus have given no real reason at all to scumread me dears
Titus could still be town in that world
but math needs rope, they're scummy as ferr

[MuttonChopMagic]

And Mutton whoops.

Pedit to avoid having to actually give a result. Fake claiming doc is easier than cop.

inno on obv town titlepoop
oh boy, faking a cop result is hard! alleoop

[MuttonChopMagic]

math disappearing after hard softing something thst had no reason to be softed is odd. it's a bit of a bother.
also... I find it unlikely Titus would he her check. this is just wifom, but like, didn't she town read Titus + woldnt you wanna save your check for someone you needed help reading aka not your brother?

Hey, I'm a woman.

Second, you haven't seen Math and I tunnel each other.

I have seen you tunnel math correctly.
I have not seen math tunnel you directly.
I have also not seen scum!Titus in a long ass time and I've never lost to scum!math (on my account that doesn't rhyme)

And I have seen a random number generator take 10 times before it rolls a 1 on a d6.

Your point?

And you still won't whatever your main is because I am Town.

my point is that Titus said I haven't seen you and her tunnel each other?
which is wrong... which i answered... so why the bother?

Because I hate inaccurate statements being floated out there and then being found and used to substantiate a read. A hard denial of bullshit prevents that rather than leave it up to context.

and ONCE AGAIN you and Titus share the family Trent of spouting annoying useless bullshit
there's nothing inaccurate there, and it was in reply to Titus, not part of my read ya bitch

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math, here's the thing, you have an issue
I'm obv town to anybody with eyes and you haven't even attempted to create a case fool
saying "mutton is scum" over and over isn't going to get people to vote me
and if you were town seeing your scumread being widely town read wouldnt you be more aggressive about making me the lynchee?

vedith, titlepoop, and Paul from memory have said they have no interest in lynching me
navy hasn't really said anything relevant (get on that please)
the former two have tried to engage you and Titus repeatedly about me being scum
they've been met by nothing but belligerent bums

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: math
okay, so I guess I need to start here
if math flips town I (or sparkles/navy if I'm scum) will doc Titus tonight and tomorrow depending on what night we are therefore protecting the clear
at min there's one town there and I doubt scum will risk the 50/50 and creating mylo (or an extra lynch altogether if there's only one scum doc) to save Titus
so, in the world where math is town we get to probably enter lylo with a conf town which is safer than hepatitis
and, I don't see a world where I'm comfortable taking math + inno to lylo rn
plus even if they're town of course scum will try to push them and then
we'd be in a hard spot at that point but
math just accredited Titus in this setup so a conftown Titus in lylo is cool as fucc
I think it's far more likely math is just scum here
for the 4th time her and Titus have given no real reason at all to scumread me dears
Titus could still be town in that world
but math needs rope, they're scummy as ferr

Nope. Not happening. You don't get to lynch shop all day then come back to me to try to get a mislynch.

quote me lynch shopping
the stupidity isn't stopping

[MuttonChopMagic]

I never said id lynch navy
I said Titus, and if you're claiming an inno of course you get lynched first baby
so the only two lynches I've proposed are{you/Titus, sparkles}
is that "shopping for lynches"? #omgus you're a worse player than I thought I suppose

[MuttonChopMagic]

i said if titus flips scum there's a chance navy is too and otherwise they're town
that is directly saying they are not a lynch option today, look around

[MuttonChopMagic]

Actually solid point by math that I overlooked, anyone pointing to Mutton for the scum doc needs to find a second scum doc. No way did all three scum claim the same role, even if one switched.

I mean you call it a solid point but it's arguing for scum!me (6th time I've said it, still no case)
you're saying there needs to be a second scum doc if I'm scum, isn't "look for another doc if you think muttons scum" basically what you're saying?
and what do you say about the rest of the bullshit maths spouting?
I'm being ignored and I might start pouting:(

[MuttonChopMagic]

I never said id lynch navy
I said Titus, and if you're claiming an inno of course you get lynched first baby
so the only two lynches I've proposed are{you/Titus, sparkles}
is that "shopping for lynches"? #omgus you're a worse player than I thought I suppose

#IwasFirst
#YourOMGUSIsShowing

Never gonna get scum to say they're scum so I am going to cook dinner instead of arguing with you.

so your reply to my complete counterargument is a meme and a bye?
in the future id like scum!math to at least try

[MuttonChopMagic]

I crumbed it a lot. read my posts around that time if you're interested (Titus is not)
and why would all 3 scum claim cop in the first place? that situation makes no sense
and and, if they did, there's no real reason to switch because town wouldn't think all 3 scum would claim cop in the first place because there's no way to repent
it's an awful line of argument that we looked at yesterday
we need to flop math for red, hooray.

[MuttonChopMagic]

I never said id lynch navy
I said Titus, and if you're claiming an inno of course you get lynched first baby
so the only two lynches I've proposed are{you/Titus, sparkles}
is that "shopping for lynches"? #omgus you're a worse player than I thought I suppose

#IwasFirst
#YourOMGUSIsShowing

Never gonna get scum to say they're scum so I am going to cook dinner instead of arguing with you.

so your reply to my complete counterargument is a meme and a bye?
in the future id like scum!math to at least try

Your argument isn't an argument and scumMath has a damn good record. Makes me wish I was scum but alas I am Town.

I don't give a fuck about your ego bud
how. am. I. shopping. for. lynches. putz.
I never said id lynch navy and I had a pretty concise lynchpool of 2
that's pretty much the opposite of your shopping for lynches poo

and for the last timesince you seemingly don't have reading comprehension

why am I scum you idiot from another dimension

[MuttonChopMagic]

I crumbed it a lot. read my posts around that time if you're interested (Titus is not)
and why would all 3 scum claim cop in the first place? that situation makes no sense
and and, if they did, there's no real reason to switch because town wouldn't think all 3 scum would claim cop in the first place because there's no way to repent
it's an awful line of argument that we looked at yesterday
we need to flop math for red, hooray.

Scum can has crumbs too.
I can has done it.

cool? me too? that wasn't the point?
lol your team needs a newleader to appoint

[MuttonChopMagic]

actually I'm not cop I was hoping scum would fake but w/e, Im doc
I tried to make it so I could claim last but yall are cocks

Yuck...

You knew the point of the exercise was to narrow down which pool had to have scum but you totally wrecked it and tried to change things.

This is very anti-town at best.

Now, one of the doc claimers must be scum.

VOTE: Mutton

Docs became optimal play, as there is a gauaranteed scum in there now.

Mutton today. Sesq and Hellfire later

VOTE: mutton

I don't really give a shit, forgot how lally this site is so it's inevitable. I'm gonna be lynched.
you guys WILL lynch in agent and sheep tomorrow, and if you hit town the other goes after. cinch.

No. They are my biggest TRs. Lying and being anti-town isn't encouraging me to look elsewhere. Nor is trying to dictate me to lynch elsewhere. I am voting you or Sesq today.

You're not responding to my fundamental concern and instead trying to lecture me with a faulty definition. A gambit cannot be the definition you say because a gambit would be every single post.

I have played on this site for 3+ years. I have probably done every gambit there is.

But my concern is this.

If you are willing to lie to try and force a sheep or Sparkles lynch, why should I trust you?

That was quoting the first line from the wiki
and your concern is icky

when did my lieing do anything to force a sheep or sparkles lynch? confused as a bat
I never said I had a cop guilty or anything of the like because I'm nowhere near the level of sure to do that
I pushed sheep and sparkles because I scum read both
and 6 docs being all 6 outed roles is not likely, not even close
But lying never had anything to do with me lynching them?
What do you mean by that my friend

Your play has been an attempt to.

If you felt your lie was so righteous, why self vote? Why would you expect us to suddenly follow your reads when you feel that lying to us is better than honest discussion? I trust people with clear motivations. Yours aren't.

Talk to me about Sesq.

VOTE: Sesq

I like your honesty now. I gtg.

1. I'll also add that it doesn't take much effort to look at and see a breadcrumb from Mutton for his coming claim switch *prior* to all the claims being finished. So...that limits the pool potentially a bit more.

I don't look for crumbs in a one and done setup. Why should I?

Yeah, and mutton admitted his play was a mistake and detracted from finding scum. We all agree. It was that humanity that made him townier. His actions are still bad but I am perfectly inclined to go vote for Sesq who basically wet noodled.

We have 3 people voting in the cops when we have confirmed Scum in docs...
I suggest you 3 think about that for a second.

That's yuck.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the confirmed scum in cops?

No docs. Mutton changed his claim.

Did he do it in a believable way?

His apology felt sincere, and he is in the lynchpool...

We have 3 people voting in the cops when we have confirmed Scum in docs...
I suggest you 3 think about that for a second.

That's yuck.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the confirmed scum in cops?

No docs. Mutton changed his claim.

Did he do it in a believable way?

His apology felt sincere, and he is in the lynchpool...

Okay, well without looking at it I'm gonna call it NAI unless someone can make a good case for scum motivation for it.

Vedith did. That's why it's possible for Mutton to be scum. Sometimes you gotta look at emotions though.

Time for a survey

Do you like mutton chop?
On a scale from one to one hundred, how cute are you?
Can you dance?
The pain threshold of most humans, including myself, is thirteen. Can you top it?
One of the lesser known facts about ants is that they can detect a fire. Do you believe this?
Right now, I obsess over Paddy, who I think is incredibly cute. Do you agree with mia?

Yes and no answers only. Any other type of answer will be dismissed and discarded.

Yes
As cute as I need to be
Depends, is wooden leg a new dance move?
What type of pain are we talking?
Who cares?
Paddy? Mia? Who?

Why aren't you voting Sesq or giving content?

VOTE: Mutton

Since many players have been replaced, the replacements should read the whole game. At from the time that Titus and Vedith got into the game.
My suspicion is that at least one of them is a mafia coz they have been active and they have the experience, and yet they are alive. It makes me suspicious of them. If I were a mafia, I would kill them. The very fact that they are alive makes me doubt them.

I think you are wrong on Titus and she needs lots of hugs <3 <3 <3

Like give her all the hugs.

VOTE: Mutton

Because I have auto hug protocols enabled.

VOTE: math

you never meta creature wrong? rejection
i meta'd him right so clearly this isn't a weird playing exception

Why are you voting a cop claim? We lynch within doc claimers until scum is found.

VOTE: math

you never meta creature wrong? rejection
i meta'd him right so clearly this isn't a weird playing exception

Why are you voting a cop claim? We lynch within doc claimers until scum is found.

because math is my strongest scum read and there's no longer a majority of doc claims alive (great!)
there's guaranteed at least 1 scum in 5 people. that's not mathematically worth it at this point mate.

Are you afraid of the noose coming around your own neck?

I'm not lynchable today more likely than not. The n1 cops all looked pretty genuine. From anyone else's PoE, that leads to a lynch on you. So scum are trying to turn this away to lynch a cop.

Titus, do you think there's something fishy in the way Vedith is turning against you? You are coming across as non-committal right now.

Really, I'm very committed to my plan. Lynch within doctors since PoE.

Okay talk with me about all the doctors besides yourself Titus. What's your reads on them?

Pedit okay

VOTE: Mutton

Titus, do you think there's something fishy in the way Vedith is turning against you? You are coming across as non-committal right now.

Really, I'm very committed to my plan. Lynch within doctors since PoE.

Okay talk with me about all the doctors besides yourself Titus. What's your reads on them?

Pedit okay

VOTE: Mutton

The n1 docs are unlikely to be scum based on how they claimed. That leaves Mutton. The sudden shift to want to lynch away from docs when you practically harding up in this place also suggests a 1 doc 2 cop claim setup.

If Mutton failed to claim change, game became PoE.

However I do agree Mutton is scum for other reasons soooo let's eat!

TLDR itlepip's reads are shit Titus and I are obvTown

Mutton needs rope

I am going to bed.

Vedith, I ask again. How do the two new flips change your calculation?
Why is Titus suspicious all of a sudden when you defended her quite strongly yesterday?

Well, it solved the game from my point of view. I have all 3 scum, and that's 100% thanks to the mass claim.

I already said why about Titus and Math. The only games they aren't going at each other is when they are both scum.

That's just not true. We did have a game where one of us would buddy the other.

I also know Math cop cleared me. They were not subtle about it.

You need me as your doc suspect, so you must paint Math as scum too. They could be scum buddying me but I literally don't give two fucks bc they must get lynched before me in optimal play. Optimal play says find the doc scum first. So, you'd just swap Math in my place for now.

If they'd flip town, I'm conf clear. If they flipped scum, yippie bonus for us.

I know Math isn't scum though so I am like meh whatever.

Let's lynch Mutton who is scum by PoE.

You just said what I basically already said about you and Math lynches, Titus.

Tell me, why is Mutton scum by POE?
Explain why all the other doc claims are town.

The n1 docs have little motivation to claim the way they do as scum. It just puts them in a place where they cannot lynch their protects.

I am town.

No other doc claimer exists but Mutton.

Creature
Sesq n3 doc
Hellfire Missile cop
Agent Sparkles n1 doc
NJAC cop
Gamma Emerald cop
Titus doc
Cooperative Sheep n1 doc
alban n1 doc
Vedith cop
NotTheRealPaul cop
MuttonChopMagic cop
CommKnight dead doc

So yes it's 6 and 6
So Creature is very likely determining the route of today.

Either Mutton is scum or Titus is wrong on the N1 doc theory or both. I am leaning both.

Meaning Mutton scum and one of the N1 docs is.

Clarification by way of post.

First you two being siblings is adorable, good luck with the new job!

Second Math who is the fake doctor?

I think there are actually two fake doctors not just one. Why are you phrasing it as a guaranteed one. I think one is certainly Mutton and Sparkles being another is a theory I was floating around in my head along with a few others.

I think there are two fake doctors one fake cop.

every single time Titus or math mention anything close to a stance on my alignment in chronological order
so, first off,

math has never actually given a reason to scumread me

even on the border
in 1672 and surround posts she directly says she disagrees with Titus that other docs are all town and is voting me for ~reasons~
~reasons~ that after 50 prompts have still not come out at all., treason!
Titus, on the other hand, scumreads me from doc poe.
so Titus, if you're town, why are sparkles and navy town? you've given no reasons including why their day 1 doc claims are believable b.
and then theres 1357. it is basically saying "I think mutton is town but vedith' s case means there's a slight chance he's scum".
the problem? vedith hard trs me now and you're still pushing his dry old case. at least, that's the only reason you gave to, in your words, 180 on me. isn't that right hun?
and, actually, you and math should have actual argumenting going on
you only think I'm scum because of poe, + you're sure maths town for no given reason at all (1681) gone
so surely math saying there's another scum doc but I'm still scum would give you doubt in your poe read?
shouldn't you be talking with your solid town read about why there's another scum doc and please
please, explain to me why you're voting me for poe when your brother/strong town read says there's another scum doc which breaks your poe
if Titus and math ignore this post it's a signed scum confession, repeat.

[MuttonChopMagic]

also, reread sheep. I was wrong. sheep/navy is town.
I want navy to come do things but I won't be voting them this game now.

[MuttonChopMagic]

{mutton}
{Alban, navy, itlepop}
- gap -
{vedith}
{njac, ntrp}
- gap -
{Agent Sparkles, Titus} one of these has to be scum which is separate from why I scumread them how fun!
{Mathblade}

[MuttonChopMagic]

{mutton}
{Alban, navy, itlepop}
{ntrp}
- gap -
{vedith}
{njac}
- gap -
{Agent Sparkles, Titus} one of these has to be scum which is separate from why I scumread them how fun!
{Mathblade}

ebwop. reread paul. don't think he's scum at all.

[MuttonChopMagic]

can someone not in the above 2 actually start posting words?
other than an odd itlepop I've literally been engaging with 2 scum for pages and it's getting cursed

[MuttonChopMagic]

actually I'm not cop I was hoping scum would fake but w/e, Im doc
I tried to make it so I could claim last but yall are cocks

Yuck...

You knew the point of the exercise was to narrow down which pool had to have scum but you totally wrecked it and tried to change things.

This is very anti-town at best.

Now, one of the doc claimers must be scum.

VOTE: Mutton

Docs became optimal play, as there is a gauaranteed scum in there now.

Mutton today. Sesq and Hellfire later

VOTE: mutton

I don't really give a shit, forgot how lally this site is so it's inevitable. I'm gonna be lynched.
you guys WILL lynch in agent and sheep tomorrow, and if you hit town the other goes after. cinch.

No. They are my biggest TRs. Lying and being anti-town isn't encouraging me to look elsewhere. Nor is trying to dictate me to lynch elsewhere. I am voting you or Sesq today.

You're not responding to my fundamental concern and instead trying to lecture me with a faulty definition. A gambit cannot be the definition you say because a gambit would be every single post.

I have played on this site for 3+ years. I have probably done every gambit there is.

But my concern is this.

If you are willing to lie to try and force a sheep or Sparkles lynch, why should I trust you?

That was quoting the first line from the wiki
and your concern is icky

when did my lieing do anything to force a sheep or sparkles lynch? confused as a bat
I never said I had a cop guilty or anything of the like because I'm nowhere near the level of sure to do that
I pushed sheep and sparkles because I scum read both
and 6 docs being all 6 outed roles is not likely, not even close
But lying never had anything to do with me lynching them?
What do you mean by that my friend

Your play has been an attempt to.

If you felt your lie was so righteous, why self vote? Why would you expect us to suddenly follow your reads when you feel that lying to us is better than honest discussion? I trust people with clear motivations. Yours aren't.

Talk to me about Sesq.

VOTE: Sesq

I like your honesty now. I gtg.

1. I'll also add that it doesn't take much effort to look at and see a breadcrumb from Mutton for his coming claim switch *prior* to all the claims being finished. So...that limits the pool potentially a bit more.

I don't look for crumbs in a one and done setup. Why should I?

Yeah, and mutton admitted his play was a mistake and detracted from finding scum. We all agree. It was that humanity that made him townier. His actions are still bad but I am perfectly inclined to go vote for Sesq who basically wet noodled.

We have 3 people voting in the cops when we have confirmed Scum in docs...
I suggest you 3 think about that for a second.

That's yuck.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the confirmed scum in cops?

No docs. Mutton changed his claim.

Did he do it in a believable way?

His apology felt sincere, and he is in the lynchpool...

We have 3 people voting in the cops when we have confirmed Scum in docs...
I suggest you 3 think about that for a second.

That's yuck.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the confirmed scum in cops?

No docs. Mutton changed his claim.

Did he do it in a believable way?

His apology felt sincere, and he is in the lynchpool...

Okay, well without looking at it I'm gonna call it NAI unless someone can make a good case for scum motivation for it.

Vedith did. That's why it's possible for Mutton to be scum. Sometimes you gotta look at emotions though.

Time for a survey

Do you like mutton chop?
On a scale from one to one hundred, how cute are you?
Can you dance?
The pain threshold of most humans, including myself, is thirteen. Can you top it?
One of the lesser known facts about ants is that they can detect a fire. Do you believe this?
Right now, I obsess over Paddy, who I think is incredibly cute. Do you agree with mia?

Yes and no answers only. Any other type of answer will be dismissed and discarded.

Yes
As cute as I need to be
Depends, is wooden leg a new dance move?
What type of pain are we talking?
Who cares?
Paddy? Mia? Who?

Why aren't you voting Sesq or giving content?

VOTE: Mutton

Since many players have been replaced, the replacements should read the whole game. At from the time that Titus and Vedith got into the game.
My suspicion is that at least one of them is a mafia coz they have been active and they have the experience, and yet they are alive. It makes me suspicious of them. If I were a mafia, I would kill them. The very fact that they are alive makes me doubt them.

I think you are wrong on Titus and she needs lots of hugs <3 <3 <3

Like give her all the hugs.

VOTE: Mutton

Because I have auto hug protocols enabled.

VOTE: math

you never meta creature wrong? rejection
i meta'd him right so clearly this isn't a weird playing exception

Why are you voting a cop claim? We lynch within doc claimers until scum is found.

VOTE: math

you never meta creature wrong? rejection
i meta'd him right so clearly this isn't a weird playing exception

Why are you voting a cop claim? We lynch within doc claimers until scum is found.

because math is my strongest scum read and there's no longer a majority of doc claims alive (great!)
there's guaranteed at least 1 scum in 5 people. that's not mathematically worth it at this point mate.

Are you afraid of the noose coming around your own neck?

I'm not lynchable today more likely than not. The n1 cops all looked pretty genuine. From anyone else's PoE, that leads to a lynch on you. So scum are trying to turn this away to lynch a cop.

Titus, do you think there's something fishy in the way Vedith is turning against you? You are coming across as non-committal right now.

Really, I'm very committed to my plan. Lynch within doctors since PoE.

Okay talk with me about all the doctors besides yourself Titus. What's your reads on them?

Pedit okay

VOTE: Mutton

Titus, do you think there's something fishy in the way Vedith is turning against you? You are coming across as non-committal right now.

Really, I'm very committed to my plan. Lynch within doctors since PoE.

Okay talk with me about all the doctors besides yourself Titus. What's your reads on them?

Pedit okay

VOTE: Mutton

The n1 docs are unlikely to be scum based on how they claimed. That leaves Mutton. The sudden shift to want to lynch away from docs when you practically harding up in this place also suggests a 1 doc 2 cop claim setup.

If Mutton failed to claim change, game became PoE.

However I do agree Mutton is scum for other reasons soooo let's eat!

TLDR itlepip's reads are shit Titus and I are obvTown

Mutton needs rope

I am going to bed.

Vedith, I ask again. How do the two new flips change your calculation?
Why is Titus suspicious all of a sudden when you defended her quite strongly yesterday?

Well, it solved the game from my point of view. I have all 3 scum, and that's 100% thanks to the mass claim.

I already said why about Titus and Math. The only games they aren't going at each other is when they are both scum.

That's just not true. We did have a game where one of us would buddy the other.

I also know Math cop cleared me. They were not subtle about it.

You need me as your doc suspect, so you must paint Math as scum too. They could be scum buddying me but I literally don't give two fucks bc they must get lynched before me in optimal play. Optimal play says find the doc scum first. So, you'd just swap Math in my place for now.

If they'd flip town, I'm conf clear. If they flipped scum, yippie bonus for us.

I know Math isn't scum though so I am like meh whatever.

Let's lynch Mutton who is scum by PoE.

You just said what I basically already said about you and Math lynches, Titus.

Tell me, why is Mutton scum by POE?
Explain why all the other doc claims are town.

The n1 docs have little motivation to claim the way they do as scum. It just puts them in a place where they cannot lynch their protects.

I am town.

No other doc claimer exists but Mutton.

Creature
Sesq n3 doc
Hellfire Missile cop
Agent Sparkles n1 doc
NJAC cop
Gamma Emerald cop
Titus doc
Cooperative Sheep n1 doc
alban n1 doc
Vedith cop
NotTheRealPaul cop
MuttonChopMagic cop
CommKnight dead doc

So yes it's 6 and 6
So Creature is very likely determining the route of today.

Either Mutton is scum or Titus is wrong on the N1 doc theory or both. I am leaning both.

Meaning Mutton scum and one of the N1 docs is.

Clarification by way of post.

First you two being siblings is adorable, good luck with the new job!

Second Math who is the fake doctor?

I think there are actually two fake doctors not just one. Why are you phrasing it as a guaranteed one. I think one is certainly Mutton and Sparkles being another is a theory I was floating around in my head along with a few others.

I think there are two fake doctors one fake cop.

every single time Titus or math mention anything close to a stance on my alignment in chronological order
so, first off,

math has never actually given a reason to scumread me

even on the border
in 1672 and surround posts she directly says she disagrees with Titus that other docs are all town and is voting me for ~reasons~
~reasons~ that after 50 prompts have still not come out at all., treason!
Titus, on the other hand, scumreads me from doc poe.
so Titus, if you're town, why are sparkles and navy town? you've given no reasons including why their day 1 doc claims are believable b.
and then theres 1357. it is basically saying "I think mutton is town but vedith' s case means there's a slight chance he's scum".
the problem? vedith hard trs me now and you're still pushing his dry old case. at least, that's the only reason you gave to, in your words, 180 on me. isn't that right hun?
and, actually, you and math should have actual argumenting going on
you only think I'm scum because of poe, + you're sure maths town for no given reason at all (1681) gone
so surely math saying there's another scum doc but I'm still scum would give you doubt in your poe read?
shouldn't you be talking with your solid town read about why there's another scum doc and please
please, explain to me why you're voting me for poe when your brother/strong town read says there's another scum doc which breaks your poe
if Titus and math ignore this post it's a signed scum confession, repeat.

Paul and vedith, any thoughts on the last 2 pages?
start with this post I quoted it to be gracious

[MuttonChopMagic]

so the scum team is me/vedith/Paul?
the game is done, Titus solves it yall!

[MuttonChopMagic]

you implied it was Paul by saying scum were blowing it out of proportion after Paul and vedith posted but ok
if you're town, you need to get your head in the game and actually read/seriously reply to my posts today
math is scum, and if you're town you'll probably see that on re read
if I'm wrong on you being scum that means vedith or someone else might be and with only one more mislynch there's no time for you to be a tilted annoying pee

in all honesty I don't see anyone as scummy in this game besides you 3 so if you're actually town (math isn't) then the 3rd scum is a sleeper
I've considered scum!vedith as the third one over you but his attitude and reactions to your trash posting are too in line with mine for me to believe it as ate my dear
like, 1775 is his first post in a while and it's not really relevant. yet, it's my thoughts towards you and math completely after talking to you
njac hasn't posted anything relevant in as long as I can remember, sparkles too
so if you're town I want you to look at the game from a perspective where you have a guilty on math.
even if you don't believe it's true humor me and do it with wrath
if you're town scum!math would mean sparkles is scum because I don't think anybody believes math and I are scum together in any world
so yea, there's your pov, what do you do with it girl?

I'm like 80% sure I have the game solved with {Titus, sparkles, math}. titus is the only slot I am not 95% on.
I don't tunnel, and you are a strong player despite being an annoying sack of donkey dicks this game. show me you're town or be gone.

[MuttonChopMagic]

VC 3.03

MuttonChopMagic

(2): Titus, Mathblade,

Titus

(1): MuttonChopMagic,

Mathblade

(1): itlepip,

Navy

(1): Vedith,

Not Voting

(5): NJAC, NotTheRealPaul, Navy, alban, Agent Sparkles,
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
*Agent Sparkles V/LA

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-07-07 21:50:00)

Hey, folks.. can we please cool down? I mean, you can rage all you want but please rake a deep breath before you post.. I'd even suggest you review your post after having composed it and editing our the swearing if possible. Thanks in advance.

P.S. Look who's talking. I know

VOTE: math
okay, so I guess I need to start here
if math flips town I (or sparkles/navy if I'm scum) will doc Titus tonight and tomorrow depending on what night we are therefore protecting the clear
at min there's one town there and I doubt scum will risk the 50/50 and creating mylo (or an extra lynch altogether if there's only one scum doc) to save Titus
so, in the world where math is town we get to probably enter lylo with a conf town which is safer than hepatitis
and, I don't see a world where I'm comfortable taking math + inno to lylo rn
plus even if they're town of course scum will try to push them and then
we'd be in a hard spot at that point but
math just accredited Titus in this setup so a conftown Titus in lylo is cool as fucc
I think it's far more likely math is just scum here
for the 4th time her and Titus have given no real reason at all to scumread me dears
Titus could still be town in that world
but math needs rope, they're scummy as ferr

[MuttonChopMagic]

for what it's worth, there is a possibility Titus is tilted town.
not a big one, but there's some doubts I have about her scum prow
ess; there's the fact math cleared their buddy, which is believable from those two as a team
since they both play risky and hard, but it's unlikely and I mean
there's also the fact if Titus is scum all 3 scum are the ONLY 3 who scumread me
which is possible... but not something I've seen
and scum!Titus would mean town is actually playing quite well
no townie is interested in mislynching me, njac/paul/whoever were right about sesq flipping town, and hell
It is somewhat unlikely town is playing that perfectly
I will acknowledge that, and maybe Titus has me/vedith tilted because of her play this game, so however small the chance it's possible to work with me

[MuttonChopMagic]

also, there's no lynch that's happening outside of math today
we need more than 3 active people, 2 probable scum included, and an occasional pop-in from 3 more to play.

[MuttonChopMagic]

if you'll notice, all of my reasons for town!Titus are based around paranoia lol
I'm not gonna not lynch someone from paranoia, this is just me thinking aloud and considering possibilities is all

[MuttonChopMagic]

you implied it was Paul by saying scum were blowing it out of proportion after Paul and vedith posted but ok
if you're town, you need to get your head in the game and actually read/seriously reply to my posts today
math is scum, and if you're town you'll probably see that on re read
if I'm wrong on you being scum that means vedith or someone else might be and with only one more mislynch there's no time for you to be a tilted annoying pee

in all honesty I don't see anyone as scummy in this game besides you 3 so if you're actually town (math isn't) then the 3rd scum is a sleeper
I've considered scum!vedith as the third one over you but his attitude and reactions to your trash posting are too in line with mine for me to believe it as ate my dear
like, 1775 is his first post in a while and it's not really relevant. yet, it's my thoughts towards you and math completely after talking to you
njac hasn't posted anything relevant in as long as I can remember, sparkles too
so if you're town I want you to look at the game from a perspective where you have a guilty on math.
even if you don't believe it's true humor me and do it with wrath
if you're town scum!math would mean sparkles is scum because I don't think anybody believes math and I are scum together in any world
so yea, there's your pov, what do you do with it girl?

I'm like 80% sure I have the game solved with {Titus, sparkles, math}. titus is the only slot I am not 95% on.
I don't tunnel, and you are a strong player despite being an annoying sack of donkey dicks this game. show me you're town or be gone.

Yeah, you see the problem here is you are being an annoying sack of shit. I didn't imply Paul was scum by saying you were by blowing things out of proportion. If you're town, I am sorry my insistence on sticking with logic makes you feel that way.

We can absolutely talk if you're town here.

I'll even humor you by discussing a Math scum world if you'll humor me by looking at a Vedith/Pip world. If you can't do that, then this isn't a conversation at all.

I'm not the one being annoying as you can see from 2 people having cussed you out
there's no logic to what you've said, my post has logic that you and math both ignored to pout

but, yes, vedith could be scum. I've looked at that. if math were to flip town hed probably be the first one Id look at.
I don't get pip at /all/ though, I townread both holders of that slot. if you believe he's scum, you need to convince me because I haven't even seen you mention that at all or a lot.