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[Mulch]

Why don't you think trying to pocket me is scum indicative? Why did you gloss over the other bad part of their post, that it was all shallow thoughts? Why is a scumreading in RVS stage a good enough rationalization for a serious vote that led to a town lynch?

What do you disagree with me about in regards to them pocketing me? They complimented me in every post

[Mulch]

God you type fast.

You were deliberately trying to pocket me in Apartment where you were town. I don't see why you think that pocketing is necessarily scum indicative here.

I thought you said you disagreed with them pocketing me in the first place? Now you think that they WERE pocketing me but it wasn't scum indicative?


Pocketing could be town oriented. But most of the time it isn't.

[Mulch]

641 is shallow

[Mulch]

Why is a scumreading in RVS stage a good enough rationalization for a serious vote that led to a town lynch?

[Mulch]

r when I know you that try to pocket people when you're town.

I do?

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Pocketing happened because they treated my word as a holy gospel, fawning over every sentiment and saying things like "quoting this for truth!" and authoritatively and confidently expressing me as top town.

[Mulch]

Why is a scumreading in RVS stage a good enough rationalization for a serious vote that led to a town lynch?

I wasn't ignoring this. I was just going through your points one by one because otherwise you'd be waiting forever.

It was scumreading not just from RVS; he also felt the same way about her in 641. It wasn't a forgotten scumread that came out of nowhere, but it had consistently been there since the beginning of the game. The vote made sense given her previous stances on her.

That's actually true...

[Mulch]

r when I know you that try to pocket people when you're town.

I do?

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You were town

I'm sort of special...most people don't pocket people as town

[Mulch]

Last game we played where you were scum you said how obv. town I was - why are you not getting gak from me this game, and then advancing it a step further to actively avoid interaction with me? You even said our playstyles were very similar yet you apparently can't get any read at all on me in this game?
Last game I mistakenly town read you and you purred like a kitten for me the rest of the time you were there and not only interacted, but defended me from narf.
Now you are the narf.
I feel like I'm catching you here, I really do.

This is actually really interesting

[Mulch]

VOTE: Skitter

L-1

[Mulch]

let's do this.

[Mulch]

Thor be prepared for heavy pressure if Skitter flips town. Fair warning.

[Mulch]

Thor be prepared for heavy pressure if Skitter flips town. Fair warning.

Same to you?
Every vote is a vote, don't derp.

You've been pushing them the entire game, led the wagon, and have had a large amount of your reads dominated by talk of Skittles scum. Are you really relating me to you right now?

[Mulch]

chip butty basically can't be scum with anybody, so I guess I should lock clear him now.

Can you explain this?

yes.

chip has had pretty harsh interactions with many players in our POE: him and skitter are hard pushing each other; him and you had many unlikely scum on scum interactions; HEM seems to be fine lynching him this gameday and pushed him hard etc. I'm not reading into any push as 'impossibly scum on scum', but certain interactions are just very unlikely to be the case the way I'm reading the game. he really feels like a lone gunner here and not someone 'connected' in any way with any other player. I'll also townread him for how invested and excited he is with the game, which I'm guessing scum would more likely lose steam after a while. his logic for almost everything is alien to me, but that doesn't mean he is a wolf now does it.

I can see where you are coming from, however I disagree that interaractions, especially pre flip, should be used to determine someone's absolute townyness.

[Mulch]

Thor be prepared for heavy pressure if Skitter flips town. Fair warning.

Same to you?
Every vote is a vote, don't derp.

You've been pushing them the entire game, led the wagon, and have had a large amount of your reads dominated by talk of Skittles scum. Are you really relating me to you right now?

By that logic are you scum because of the Havo push?
Y'see, I was able to assess intent - aren't you capable of that?
There is a difference between a scum push and a town push.

I'll accept your derp play if a Skitter scum flip makes me lock town for the rest of the game though. Deal?

Your right I guess about intent...

[Mulch]

HEM's vote an 'L-1'ing skitter this gameday makes absolutely no sense as he claims he never read that slot! why would you vote someone without reading them and put them in L-1? and it was not L-1 at all, it was L-2. I think he knew that and voted her and tried to derp a distancing read that it was L-1 when it wasn't. then he unvoted her when you started threatening to do so. that makes no sense as town and makes sense as distancing with skitter.

This is the only thing that is valid here but it's a good point

[Mulch]

I was frustrated and just wanted it to end. But then I saw that the deadline wasn't as near as I thought it was.

You're wrong though. Because I'm town. If you decide right now that I'm scum, LYNCH ME NOW. I don't want to be in LYLO. At the rate that everyone is suspecting me, I don't think we will win. I'm thinking that you're setting me up to fail. So if you decide to put me in any scum team right now, LYNCH ME FIRST.

[Mulch]

Yes. Go. Let's do it. If you decide to put me in any scum team right now, lynch me first.

[Mulch]

I wonder if his inno was on Tor and that's why he went all out to say his role when Tor was getting wagoned

[Mulch]

Skitter is literally always scum

[Mulch]

I think Tor is innoed +they hard pushed Skitter.

Thor I'm slightly paranoid of especially cause they said "will you lock town me if Skitter flips scum" and how they kept trying to emphasize they were not tunneling, and becuase Skitter has been known to hard distance before, but I think Thor is more of someone that you might consider if he's alive much further in the game.

Ditto with Serge, if he's scum he hard bussed. And Chip, who didn't hard bus but seemed whimsical when he voted Skitter, and I feel like if he's scum he dosen't go after skitter, go back off, and then go back on when Skitter train losing momentum.

Whymafia hard defended skitter, but I sitll feel like the claim dosen't come from scum!Whymafia. He's dropped slightly more in my list though.

Leaves Monkey, Fitz, and Lime. I just feel like Monkey has been towny in tone and their mindset but their vote and then unvote on Skitter +their defense of him means bad. Fitz I feel like just has a decent chance to be scum, and Skitter defended Fitz.Misere (although, I woulden't put it past Skitter to link them like that). Lime was BBT who just carelessly wagoned Skitter early day 1, which could be a panic attempt to get onthe train when it happened, but I get the gut feel it wasn't.

[Mulch]

WTF he was an even night gunsmith, so he didn't get an inno on Tor...

[Mulch]

W/e still not a lynch for today.

For now:

VOTE: HavingFitz

[Mulch]

@Serge

did you get my gift?

[Mulch]

He's an even-night gunsmith.

Mod fucked up and said he was just a town gunsmith originally

[Mulch]

He's an even-night gunsmith.

Mod fucked up and said he was just a town gunsmith originally

Indeed, my apologies for that misinformation!

No problem Ari <3

[Mulch]

Bruh

[Mulch]

Bruh

NU UH IM NOT LOCK TOWNING YOU LIKE THE OTHER MINI NORMAL

No need to lock town me, but look at my play.

[Mulch]

For why Fitz, look at 2099 for where I'm at right now

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Bruh

NU UH IM NOT LOCK TOWNING YOU LIKE THE OTHER MINI NORMAL

No need to lock town me, but look at my play.

You know that you can look Town as scum

Yeah I'm also town as town bro

[Mulch]

I cannot follow you on fitz. I have to wait on lime. I'll re-read monkey
What do you feel on tacos?

Fitz is also part from the Misere read which I'm not repeating for a 10th time. And a lot of them are PoE.

Tacos is very probably town.

[Mulch]

Maybe it was just dumb luck on my part, right

[Mulch]

I am stating that I don't believe misere is scum

Why not?

[Mulch]

Why is Serg town?

HE would have had to hard bussed and I think his paranoia is villagery...to an extent

[Mulch]

mulch. hi.

this is hardcoreUFO. you are amrock. I know you're too good for the aids you're displaying in this. you woofing and you're getting lynched this gameday.

Wazzup man

I'm not mafia here. So, your wrong. I will do what I can to convice you and others that are suspecting me, this gameday. Let's start: what aids... if your talking about my theory disagreements, sorry to say that I carry them through all sites

[Mulch]

Idk about you though Tor. You and Mulch seem to be tied for my scum read.

Your post sounded so bussy like. Maybe it's me idk and Mulch defended Skitter then voted.

VOTE: Mulch

Which post? I can promise I didn't bus...

[Mulch]

also I'm a confirmed tracker. you think this game has a scum tracker, a scum fruit vendor and scum vanilla?

This is just assuming I"m scum when I'm not lol

[Mulch]

Idk about you though Tor. You and Mulch seem to be tied for my scum read.

Your post sounded so bussy like. Maybe it's me idk and Mulch defended Skitter then voted.

VOTE: Mulch

Which post? I can promise I didn't bus...

This is scum. "can" and no "can" is a big difference.

What the fuck?

[Mulch]

I genuinely don't understand what you are talking about. So I would love if it you could explain

[Mulch]

When did Sergtaco hard bus Skitter?
Also, quite frankly, you still think I might be scum even though i would suggest I probably had to be bussing harder than Serg - so why are you using two different criteria to judge us?

Second vote, never went off when he had the chance. Uhh... I never said I thought you were scum. lol

[Mulch]

The way you said it sounded like you're trying so hard to sound innocent. I can promise you i didnt bus compare to i promise you i didnt bus. idk, i feel like town would be i promise you i didnt bus because THATS TRUE however i can promise you? idk, you didn't promise me, you said you can, however you didn't promise me yet.

That's just semantics. It means the same thing. I don't know how to explain it better than that

[Mulch]

- you hardpush a soft PR claim very early into the game to hardclaim;

This is to make them take responsbility of the claim, so they coulen't make up a claim later. I scumread Havo at the time so it definitely crossed my mind they could be a wolf doing a weak claim. At to top it off my last game I did basically the exact same way in the exact same claim as scum. So I still think it was the right thing to do even though it didn't work well last time

[Mulch]

The way you said it sounded like you're trying so hard to sound innocent. I can promise you i didnt bus compare to i promise you i didnt bus. idk, i feel like town would be i promise you i didnt bus because THATS TRUE however i can promise you? idk, you didn't promise me, you said you can, however you didn't promise me yet.

That's just semantics. It means the same thing. I don't know how to explain it better than that

Then why does it feel different if it means the same thing?

I don't know how your brain works, Serge. Maybe your high.

"I can promise you" "I promise you"....they are the same. It's how I talk

[Mulch]

you kept pushing it to give out specific details for no reason. 'loyal cop' is too fucking mental to be a false claim anyway, and it gets scum nowhere if he fucking claims cop early on. how long would havo last as scum claiming that?

What do you mean? I'm pretty sure I unvoted when he hardclaimed, that's all that I needed.

[Mulch]

- you then started pushing maria essentially for having the correct pro-town thoughts in that spot. I don't understand how you couldn't even see her;mine;tacos;havo perspective that pushing for the hardclaim wasn't optimal, that we'd have time to determine just how scummy or towny that slot is before pushing hard for a hardclaim.

I could see how you could think it, I never scumread her for that. Should fact check that lol

[Mulch]

you were bold enough to townread skitter for her L-1 vote on Havo! and you were never analytical enough to just how hard scum that vote + 1h hanging there not unvoting + only unvoting when I removed the chance of capping was. yes you made comments to that regard, but you were never as suspicious about her as other people were. bro, you're amrock. you caught me and freddeh having a w;w interaction when everyone else cleared me for that. I could be wrong, but I think you're a very good villager. you were supposed to catch skitter ahead of everyone else, or at least push her harder for it.

First off, I'm not generally regarded as a good villager...in fact I'm considered much better as scum than town. But, I did have a great game, mostly (I hope) cause I was trying a new style which dosent work in mafiascum games.

I have a history with skitter. Every single game they've been with me they've been scum, and I hard scumread them 2 times and the most recent game hard townread. Their outlook on the game was totally different, and I had never seen them go anywhere as hard as putting someone at L-1. It's not their style, they like to hang back as scum. And tbh I sort of liked it, pretty sure I was scumreading Havo at the time

[Mulch]

- your hard pushes in the game (havo, maria, me) were all town. that's not a good look for you.

I mean, technically we don't know ur town. But yeah, not the best game...:/ sorry

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when Havo was at L-1, it was noticeable you were not around and only showed up after the early mislynch could be no longer. I wonder if you'd lynch him there, and based off how you were posting to Havo, I think you would and you'd defend your play the next day.

What you mean?

[Mulch]

u actually revoted him with HEM after the hardclaim because you wanted all the details. you also softed fruit vendor pretty hard on these posts while getting some heat, and either faked that was a conf town role, or didn't know it's actually NAI. I'm gonna say you were always aware that fruit vendor isn't necessarily a town role...

Can you quote that? Pretty sure your wrong.


Fruit Vendor I looked on the wiki and technically it's NAI but... like really, there is a negative utility for a scum fruit vend. It makes no sense for it to be a scum role, it just hurts them in endgame. It's not BY THE BOOK town only but in practice let's be real when where there ever be one

[Mulch]

All that you needed? Why? To see what power role he was and kill him during the night? Yeah this is scum. Chip pushed for Havo wagon too even after Havo hardclaimed.

No, so he would take responsbility for his claim. I've explained this countless times

[Mulch]

I really like Skitter's recent posts. They came into the game and started scumreading people that hadn't voted them yet or were not voting them, which would mean that if they are scum they are taking the risk of them voting them for a bullshit read. It was daring and showed a lack of caring about how they are perceived. I think the fact they had the awareness to point out Tort scumreading Misere after previously calling them town showed they were really trying to analyze the gamestate (and I still need an explanation for that). Their aggresive and confident and not overly defesive to anyone except Thor which I can understand cause they're tunneling them conf-bias style based on one post. I could follow their reasoning on all of their points although not particularly in depth, and especially liked how they were scumreading the putting Havo into a team after the unvote (something I completely missed). I also like their tone.

I don't want to lynch Skitter today. I think there is a decent chance that wolves are jumping on town!thor confbiasing them, specifically MariaR who really bothered me by just making a post about catching up but still is just floating by letting their non-extremely serious vote on Skitter stand. I've found that people who leave votes on for extended periods of time have a higher chance of being wolf in general.

this seems like a relevant post

:/

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when Havo was at L-1, it was noticeable you were not around and only showed up after the early mislynch could be no longer. I wonder if you'd lynch him there, and based off how you were posting to Havo, I think you would and you'd defend your play the next day.

What you mean?

you were not around as Havo was L-1. I'm not scumreading you for it ldo, but the way you were talking about him, it looks like you'd just go ahead and hammer if you were?

you showed up after me and skitter unvoted and went 'this game is going fast, this is amazing!'

Of course I woulden't hammer, I'm not that much of an idiot...

I also think that was earlier in the game? let me look

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^ these are in sequence, you're literally voting claimed cop d1 here and it's a OMGUS vote too

He had claimed? I don't know. I remember what he said was pretty enraging... but I don't know why I would vote a claimed cop day 1. I thought I only pressed him until he claimed, that's what makes sense

[Mulch]

All that you needed? Why? To see what power role he was and kill him during the night? Yeah this is scum. Chip pushed for Havo wagon too even after Havo hardclaimed.

No, so he would take responsbility for his claim. I've explained this countless times

And yet I still don't understand why you would do that. You Chip and Monkey. Like if you see a soft claim D1, don't mention it and analyze their performance during D2, maybe D3. Try to see what they say and if that fits their role and keep it low however if you feel like its off, then go ahead and do something.

Look at Giga's game, I'm done explaining it

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^ these are in sequence, you're literally voting claimed cop d1 here and it's a OMGUS vote too

He had claimed? I don't know. I remember what he said was pretty enraging... but I don't know why I would vote a claimed cop day 1. I thought I only pressed him until he claimed, that's what makes sense

he claimed and then you voted him anyway yes

Alright. That was pretty bad play by me...I don't actually know why I did that except I think I was really angry at his confident smug conceitedness, proudly proclaiming that I was (wrongly) scum.

[Mulch]

Wouldn't hammer because it would look bad for you, which is why you said you're not that much of an idiot because as scum you wouldn't hammer and make that play pin on you. You just confessed you're scum.

No, I woulden't hammer beacuse it's bad play to hammer a cop day 1... I'm not dumb enough to do that

[Mulch]

That's not a perspective slip at all

[Mulch]

I'm gonna have a pretty hard time coming up with a team that contains mulch and skitter. I -think-, interactions wise and everything, it could be thor :O. I need to work on that. I'm not scumreading thor at all fwiw.

Rethink it cause I'm not scum.

[Mulch]

WM already confirmed him insomuch as he agreed he got 'something' and I'm fine with that.
So I don't know what we're waiting on.

The taco guy and monkey last couple of pages curled my toes for some reason, it felt like scum/scum talk. It's a gut feel but it's there and even on a second read I still get the feel and can't put my finger on it.

They should both vote Skitter to reassure me

VOTE: Skitter

It's hard because it's the second vote and then never left, although your right it's pretty bad that you pressured him. Maybe I should feel less confident in it


@Mulch - here is Serg's vote on Skitter, please explain to me how "hard" this is exactly and why?
Also, feel free to pull up any other attacks he did on Skitter after the vote - I found none.
I can find evidence of him attacking people who attacked Skitter though.

@Mulch

[Mulch]

I'm gonna have a pretty hard time coming up with a team that contains mulch and skitter. I -think-, interactions wise and everything, it could be thor :O. I need to work on that. I'm not scumreading thor at all fwiw.

Rethink it cause I'm not scum.

what do you think of HEM pretending to put skitter at L-1 and voting her for senseless reasons? a slot he claims to not have read at all. what do you think of the timing of his unvote, when it looked like you might just go ahead and vote skitter? what do you think of HEM saying he thinks he put skitter on L-1 accidentally but then not insta unvoting her?

I think it's pretty scummy.

[Mulch]

IF Hem truly believed they were at L-1, the unvote is fishy after 10 minutes.

If not:

1) They faked it so that Skitter could get a fake hammer and reveal as town... which would mean scum parntters

2) They did it to get reactions, which would be relatively reasonable cause for why he unvoted.

[Mulch]

I suppose yeah

[Mulch]

If I’m scum with skitter I never make that post.
100%

[Mulch]

Who has ever seen a scum fruit vendor...

[Mulch]

Who has ever seen a scum fruit vendor...

I looked into it, and there have been quite a few. think there's an alisae game recently with a scum loud fruit vendor who was redchecked and lynched d2. looking through posts in many threads no one assumes fruit vendor is a town role, so it's a little confusing why you would.

Because it doesn’t make sense as a scum role...

[Mulch]

I could probably be convinced of voting HEM fwiw

What about havingfitz

[Mulch]

Who has ever seen a scum fruit vendor...

Even if fruit vendor is negative utility for scum as you say, it could have been included for balancing purposes. That's why nu roles are a thing. I think you must know that.

On the basis of role alone you are neutral. It's going to come down to vca associations tone etc.

If I were a scum fruit vendor and it was a negative role I woulden't have used it...

[Mulch]

Towns in MS have way too much power Tor. You will learn this

[Mulch]

Bro just look at Misere's catch up post and tell me it comes from a villager. It dosen't

[Mulch]

641

Man come on...the most obvious and shallow thoughts, reads that are defined and then supported instead of naturall created, and fawning over my every move with "oh WOW, Mulch is town!!!!" "This is the greatest!!!!"


Seriously? How do people think this is town

[Mulch]

No it fucking isn't. Let me give you some setups

[Mulch]

"Loyal Cop
Ascetic Townie
Weak Doctor
Macho Neapolitan
VT x6

vs.

Mafia:
Roleblocker
Goon x2"

[Mulch]

If I'm scum I don't fucking use a negative utility role that fucks me in endgame jesus christ I'm so much better

[Mulch]

SergTacos, survived, Vanilla Townie.
Vecna, survived, Vanilla Townie.
Gamma Emerald, survived, Town Odd-Night Loyal Cop
Fykus, survived, Vanilla Townie.
Tchill13, survived, Town Jailkeeper
Klazam, survived, Town Even-Night Gunsmith
Titus, survived, Vanilla Townie.


Dead:

Mulch, lynched Day 1, Vanilla Townie.
Keyser Söze, killed Night 1, Vanilla Townie.
Creative, lynched Day 2,Mafia Vanilla Cop.
DeasVail, killed Night 2, Town Symbiotic.
ThinkBig, lynched Day 3, Mafia Encryptor.
Maestro, lynched Day 4, Mafia 1-shot Doctor.

[Mulch]

Most have 4

Here is one with 5:

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viewtopic.php?p=9158679#p9158679

Another

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lmfao

[Mulch]

Dying of laughter lmaaaao

[Mulch]

Oh I thought it meant two trackers, not 2 shot tracker

[Mulch]

yeah.... I told you.... towns on mafiascum are stacked...

[Mulch]

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/thr ... cum-Setups

[Mulch]

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=72177


Only scum!monkey game I believe

[Mulch]

Hey, on the plus side if we lynch a wolf today I become confirmed town tmrw

[Mulch]

Yeah that’s why I’m town bub to confirm myself with one scum left. I’m an endgame inno child

[Mulch]

Oh lord

[Mulch]

I know mulch;amrock from MU, he is good or at least not supposed to do the many awful things he did d1 wrt Hav

It's not awful, it just ended up awful. There's a difference

[Mulch]

while conditionally clearing her a page before because I'm not scum with her.

What does this mean

[Mulch]

Thor for gods sake I can’t talk rn but I already answered it ffs

[Mulch]

2194

[Mulch]

Tor you should know better to say short days benefit scum. Look at the town success rate on Mu and here

[Mulch]

Everything I said is correct there. We did the right plays, they just didn't work out. If you want I can explain it later or even after the game but you obviously disagree with the theory anyway

[Mulch]

What are you talking about, how did I ignore him? You just lied

[Mulch]

Man serge get off my ass. Your confirmation biased up the wazoo

[Mulch]

VOTE: sergetacos

[Mulch]

VOTE: sergetacos

Reason?

More frustration than anything tbh

[Mulch]

What are you talking about, how did I ignore him? You just lied

Thor had to post the same question 4 times now? And you still haven't answered? I mean i did see that you posted a post number but not sure what you're trying to say. EXPAND. So yeah, if that was your response, i didn't lie, you didn't provide enough information.

When you make posts like these you can't blame me for voting you

[Mulch]

You pushed me for ignoring him three post after I quite literally showed the post where I had answered him

[Mulch]

What does me pushing on a cop have anything to do with your shit post?

[Mulch]

Also did you just use a buzzword of hypocritical without knowing what it means because there was zero hypocrisy in this situation

[Mulch]

You pushed me for ignoring him three post after I quite literally showed the post where I had answered him

Thats my only push? Thats my only case? LMFAO read my iso again scum.

When did I say that was your only case?

[Mulch]

Its not hypocritical to push bad posts just because day 1 I pushed a cop. It would be hypocritical for me to push bad play, but not scummy play

[Mulch]

You pushed me for ignoring him three post after I quite literally showed the post where I had answered him

Thats my only push? Thats my only case? LMFAO read my iso again scum.

When did I say that was your only case?

[Mulch]

You pushed me for ignoring him three post after I quite literally showed the post where I had answered him

Thats my only push? Thats my only case? LMFAO read my iso again scum.

When did I say that was your only case?

Then whats your case against me? Nothing else but that.

I never made a case. Did you just admit it was a good point and are now progressing to "that's only one thing"?

[Mulch]

The provlem with this theory is that i don't flip red. You have a different way at approaching the game than me. It's not my fault you think that's scummy. What I did was the right play, it just didn't work.

[Mulch]

The provlem with this theory is that i don't flip red. You have a different way at approaching the game than me. It's not my fault you think that's scummy. What I did was the right play, it just didn't work.

if you flip green, then I think HEM > misère are good lynches to go with next.

If we lynch scum today, I become confirmed town tomorrow

[Mulch]

This is so frustrating because I was fooled by Skitter, was able to overcome my pride to lynch them, and are now being accused as scum with a role that mechanically makes no sense as scum

[Mulch]

Honestly at this point I'm really fucking annoyed with this game and are tempted to just self vote if u promise to lynch misere tmrw. I've been trying not to do it but this game sucks

[Mulch]

These are a lot of words to be dead-ass wrong

[Mulch]

You don't even want to see my response? Your that confident?

[Mulch]

Not only do none of those games have any type of similarity at all to the event that went on in this game, they are 4 months old. I've only been playing forum mafia for about 9 months. I've grown and improved, those games were at my middle development as a player time wise

[Mulch]

It's probably worth me putting in the effort to respond to try and convince others. I doubt you are going to have your mind changed by it.

[Mulch]

Your misnomering me. I'll get to it in a bit

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Doubt tor is scum

[Mulch]

Tor, I forgot to respond to you. But, I didn't "progress" to be more anti town, I learned that you should always push soft claims that are used to get out of a lynch in order to extract a hard claim so that the perpetrator takes responsibility for the claim

[Mulch]

If there were no coubterwagon, that can support bussing but that would mean they would have had to be on him while coubterwagon could have formed. Yet I wasn't on them for a large amount of time.

[Mulch]

Whether or not it would have faded has limited change to the odds of scum being on it though.

This, people had their vote on them which means they thought Maria was scum or were scum themselves

[Mulch]

Whether or not it would have faded has limited change to the odds of scum being on it though.

This, people had their vote on them which means they thought Maria was scum or were scum themselves

Especially with people comfortable putting them at l-2. Which means they had intent to lynch, and therefore have full responsibility for their vote.

This applies to me too

[Mulch]

Why are you still voting Porkens over the lie if they retracted it and said they made a mistake? Do you think they would be more likely to make this mistake as scum because they have an opportunistic mindset, or what's the deal?

[Mulch]

Why are you still voting Porkens over the lie if they retracted it and said they made a mistake? Do you think they would be more likely to make this mistake as scum because they have an opportunistic mindset, or what's the deal?

feels like a bad reason to push someone when they made one post after voting porkens lol

Why? One post is enough...

Tor I'm like 99% sure that literally every single thing I say is going to be "bad" from your PoV. Once you've decided that someone is scum, you start imagining their posts as "could they say this as scum" rather than "could they say this as town." I've been there.

[Mulch]

01. Toranaga- Not lynching today
03. WhyMafia- Not lynching today
05. Porky- Most likely not lynching today, although I want their reasons for scumreading me

@Porky

07. Thor665- Not lynching today
09. Chip Butty- Most likely not lynching today
10. humaneatingmonkey- Most likely not lynching today
11. havingfitz Misère----> Good lynch target
12. Sergtacos (replaces Creative)----> Good lynch target
13. Mulch--- Not lynching today, especially as if scum get lynched I become an inno child and scum are forced to nightkill me at some point.

[Mulch]

why would you push the guy for not immediately unvoting porkens? it's not scummy is it? why would you care then? it's not like porkens is at L-1..

Yes it is scummy lmao to have reasoning to vote someone that is proven invalid and yet you still vote

[Mulch]

01. Toranaga- Not lynching today
03. WhyMafia- Not lynching today
05. Porky- Most likely not lynching today, although I want their reasons for scumreading me

@Porky

07. Thor665- Not lynching today
09. Chip Butty- Most likely not lynching today
10. humaneatingmonkey- Most likely not lynching today
11. havingfitz Misère----> Good lynch target
12. Sergtacos (replaces Creative)----> Good lynch target

13. Mulch--- Not lynching today, especially as if scum get lynched I become an inno child and scum are forced to nightkill me at some point.

we do not know if bolded is true because the mod never confirmed the mechanics that make it true.

Look at the last fruit vendor game I linked, also look at fruit vendor in wiki. That's my purpose

[Mulch]

why would you push the guy for not immediately unvoting porkens? it's not scummy is it? why would you care then? it's not like porkens is at L-1..

Yes it is scummy lmao to have reasoning to vote someone that is proven invalid and yet you still vote

you're blowing that way out of proportion. you scumhunt better than this as town yes?

How am I blowing it out of porportion. I'm not even voting him. It wasn't even a major point. It was something small that I wanted to investigate. Stop being confirmation biased

[Mulch]

It was a light scumread/clarification on something that wasn’t Nai at all. Your just wrong. Nothing more I can say

[Mulch]

However, as the day went on, his stance on Havo was bizarre. He helped force her to hardclaim, unvoted, and then berated her for her “terrible claim” and even went back to calling her scummy.

I've explained this time and time again across the course of this game. I would like you to try reading this, and if you still have any doubts/concerns to how I was thinking, let me know.

[Mulch]

Then, he pushed hard on Maria over Skitter. Maria was much more townie on my readslist than either Mulch or Skitter at this point.

Valid point. Skitter fooled me. I wish I could say something to defend this, but by the nature of mafia this is always going to look bad for me. However, I would like to know how you thought MariaR was towny, or more specifically why you think my scumread on MariaR was disingenuine (operating under the assumption that you believe there is a decent chance I am scum that bullshitted a read on Maria to save my partner).

[Mulch]

However, as the day went on, his stance on Havo was bizarre. He helped force her to hardclaim, unvoted, and then berated her for her “terrible claim” and even went back to calling her scummy.

I've explained this time and time again across the course of this game. I would like you to try reading this, and if you still have any doubts/concerns to how I was thinking, let me know.

sad

Not really.

[Mulch]

So chip, who he isn’t scumreading, “didn’t hard bus”. Implying knowledge of chip’s alignment.

This is a perspective push, ie something that does not exist. (More often than not, it's town versus town or scum versus town manipulation of these "slips").

I obviously meant that if Chip was scum, he didn't hard bus. Just take it as that

[Mulch]

Skitters talked TO mulch about mulch but never gave a read on him at all.

Note that Skitter is very capable of anti-spew (or trying to associate themselves with people/distance). They actually have done it in almost every single one of their scumgames, with WhyMafia's recent mini normal the most recent one. I would advise not looking into Skitter interactions

[Mulch]

How do you read Chip now, Mulch?

Relatively towny

[Mulch]

Ok, I like your points Porkens. I can follow all of them. You've improved the stock of your slot

[Mulch]

01. Toranaga- Not lynching today
03. WhyMafia- Not lynching today
05. Porky- Most likely not lynching today, although I want their reasons for scumreading me

@Porky

07. Thor665- Not lynching today
09. Chip Butty- Most likely not lynching today
10. humaneatingmonkey- Most likely not lynching today
11. havingfitz Misère----> Good lynch target
12. Sergtacos (replaces Creative)----> Good lynch target
13. Mulch--- Not lynching today, especially as if scum get lynched I become an inno child and scum are forced to nightkill me at some point.

Sorry, I was being lazy.

I could lynch Misere's replacement if we aren't doing Chip. Taco isn't BAD but I don't think he's a priority today.

Ok. Let's do it

VOTE: HavingFitz

[Mulch]

By the way I think it goes without saying that if this flips scum I'm all but mechanically cleared and then on top of that I WILL be mechanically cleared by my fruit lmfao

[Mulch]

Or you could look at how I already assessed him via VCA and offer your thoughts on that?

Pedit - it's an L-1 wagon, it's the same info as any L-1 wagon, adding processing complications due to timing of the wagon is, I fell, a meaningless exercise in complication.

How is it ending up in a lynch "meaningless complications" lmao

[Mulch]

Or you could look at how I already assessed him via VCA and offer your thoughts on that?

Pedit - it's an L-1 wagon, it's the same info as any L-1 wagon, adding processing complications due to timing of the wagon is, I fell, a meaningless exercise in complication.

How is it ending up in a lynch "meaningless complications" lmao

I think you don't understand what I'm saying or I don't understand what you're saying.
I'm not talking about lynching meaningless complications in any way, shape, or form in my comment.

What "meaningless complications" were you referring too?

[Mulch]

"Than anyone else seems to save chip"


What does this mean?

[Mulch]

Whose saving who?? I'm sorry I don't understand

[Mulch]

OK. Serge is at l-2. Consider my vote a puedo vote, except I want the hammer

[Mulch]

Will also hammer Fitz

[Mulch]

Ok, I like your points Porkens. I can follow all of them. You've improved the stock of your slot

Why are you giving Porkens such an easy pass? Link some original scumhunting by him prior to this post of yours...

His push on me, I liked. What didn't you like about it?

[Mulch]

OMG THAT REMINDS ME

[Mulch]

Robbnva has requested replacement. Searching now.

I hate to say it but I think that in all likelihood a chance of a town win just went up lol

[Mulch]

Game. Set. Match

[Mulch]

are you lynching mulch if tacos flips town? I more or less can't be arsed anyway

Setting up a pre flip huh

[Mulch]

are you lynching mulch if tacos flips town? I more or less can't be arsed anyway

Setting up a pre flip huh

I'm also dying tonight, am I not

Not neccecarily. If I had to guess I would say so

[Mulch]

no,

Yes

[Mulch]

How about we lynch the misere slot which is going to hit scum -_-

[Mulch]

Man I would be salty if the misere slot is town.

[Mulch]

Yeah the one thing I didn't get was the "fraternities with scum"

[Mulch]

@Mulch - I don't really think it will. Plus I almost want to let fitz live for a day just so I can have legit reads discussion in this game

I'm like so sure. Could be confirmation biased

[Mulch]

Someone give me a reason Miseré is town. That slot has been scumfuck all game.

[Mulch]

I've been trying to lynch misere all day.

I'm voting him right now...let's do it.

[Mulch]

No, I know exactly what your trying to say. Your trying to say that because I think Maria is scummy, it's bad to go on a wagon they start, right?

Yeah the one thing I didn't get was the "fraternities with scum"

Do you see evidence of genuine gamesolving? I see only the bit about skitter not reading you, but that doesn't exactly floor me.

I...saw good enough for a catchup. I could follow all their points, nothing felt forced.

[Mulch]

Right now it's L-2---- Mulch, Tor, Pork.


If we get another vote to L-1---Mulch, Tor, Pork, X--- I will unvote, and then when we get to another L-1 vote I will immediately hammer.

[Mulch]

PLEASE CAN WE JUST LYNCH MISERE SLOT I AM SUPER CONFIDENT THEY HIT SCUM

[Mulch]

Thor for somene that prides themselves on good reasoning you have shit reasoning for why they are town, or none at all

[Mulch]

----------------------------> Me when Fitz flips scum

[Mulch]

Tor, I agree with you that he took "where did I touch you" out of context. However, I think it's just a misunderstanding... I can also see how he could think the connotation with that and the age question is weird. I think maybe you both should just calm down a bit.


(Also, tor, let's talk after the game)

[Mulch]

You know what this game needs?

BLOOD.

Slitting throats brings us together.

HAVINGFITZ: ATTTTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACKKKKKKKKK

[Mulch]

Human join the good wagon and vote fitz

[Mulch]

Ok Tor, you are correct. However I also don't like people asking me for my age.

[Mulch]

Chip and Monkey vote Fitz

[Mulch]

Thor for somene that prides themselves on good reasoning you have shit reasoning for why they are town, or none at all

Considering this game and last game we've been in together my method also appears to work.
So maybe it does suck and my logic isn't properly presented - but if I keep at the accuracy level I appear to I'm perfectly comfortable with that.

Actually, last game I came in and identified 3/4 scum and was talked out of it. And then lynched

[Mulch]

It's not my scum meta. I don't have a scum meta

[Mulch]

It's not my scum meta. I don't have a scum meta

ehhh

show me a recent town game where you flip on people the way you did here

after getting voted -once- and stuff like that

cause you literally self voted d1 and ate a mislynch and was totally cool about it as town

It's 4 Am. Will do tmrw.

[Mulch]

^scum

[Mulch]

Scum cause of misere and now for your push on me, and for not unvoting porkens

[Mulch]

Scum cause of misere and now for your push on me, and for not unvoting porkens

Cause of misere? You mean agreeing with/pocketing you and suspecting skitter (who you hard defended D1...ronnva too)?

How is voting a suspect and not unvoting a suspect suspect? smh....

More votes for crap case scum fruit vendor please.

Nope. It's more intricate

[Mulch]

Both of you explain how the other one failed

[Mulch]

is anyone interested in being convinced mulch is scum?

Wrong

[Mulch]

is anyone interested in being convinced mulch is scum?

Wrong

you promised to show me town games where you behave like you did here. help me out of the tunnel yo!

Patience

[Mulch]

patience until someone else gets lynched before your meta spews you scum, mulch? come on now, just find me some links. not hard.

On mobile in school...

[Mulch]

is anyone interested in being convinced mulch is scum?

Sure.

[Mulch]

@Tor

Games where I was aggresive/confident/assertive as town:

Spoiler:

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72397

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=71908

Parts of this: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72179

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=72357

It depends on the type of playstyle I decide I'm going to do before the game, and how the game plays out. There is no set scum or town meta for me

[Mulch]

I think Tor is confirmation biased on me, and Fitz is scum

[Mulch]

“I have a confirmed townie”

“Let’s not say who it is when I could get nightlilled so they don’t ... nightkill them”


Also pork is a shitty as fuck lynch

[Mulch]

If I had to guess I bet he flips town

[Mulch]

Say your peek in case your night killled.

[Mulch]

Can we lynch HEM tomorrow?

Say your peek in case your night killled.

Because I’m assuming it’s me lmfao

[Mulch]

VOTE: Toranaga

[Mulch]

That kill happens from no scum unless they need an excuse not to kill you. GG

[Mulch]

That kill happens from no scum unless they need an excuse not to kill you. GG

Furthermore, wolves thought that he was a backup. And the only way town woul have the power to get a backup is if they knew your claim was from a wolf tracker.

[Mulch]

Further further more, the wolves thought that he was a cop. And the only possible peek he could have had was on me, beacuse he flat out said I was town. So I am SHC.

[Mulch]

Mulch who did you send fruit to

Monkey...

[Mulch]

Further further more, the wolves thought that he was a cop. And the only possible peek he could have had was on me, beacuse he flat out said I was town. So I am SHC.

hmmm so you actually do have a plan going down to use this and frame me for it. too bad you just openshoved all your chips at SOD instead of pretend to be thinking about it.

What the hell is there to think about? I knew you killed Monkey if your scum. I knew exactly that was what you were going to do

[Mulch]

Mulch who did you send fruit to

Monkey...

delicious

lynch me, then you

Ok. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

[Mulch]

There is ZERO reason Monkey is killed unless your scum. It makes absolutely no fucking sense. His claim was so bad.

[Mulch]

If you were killed I was going to push HEM this gameday.

[Mulch]

Talk about "putting chips on the table" your made an immediate massive wall about how it was a frame kill lmfao

[Mulch]

Thor I'm 100% sure that Tor is scum. Look at literally every single possibility. EVERY SINGLE ONE. They make no sense unless Tor is scum

[Mulch]

Mulch who did you send fruit to

Monkey...

delicious

lynch me, then you

You put up a lot of fucking fight as a villager. This is not your meta.

[Mulch]

I'm intrigued scum bought into that claim.
Pretty much moves the odds of scum in the PRs closer to 100%.
Or maybe just derpy scum?

VOTE: Sergtacos

yup

mulch...

why did you visit monkey? if you 'knew' I was going to kill him if I'm scum?

why didn't you visit anyone else?

I thought you were logical.

Because I thought Monkey was a wolf, and that you were town. Stop flailing. I was almost dead set on you being town

[Mulch]

why would you ever send fruit to monkey of all people? why send fruit to a guy you're SURE is getting NKed if I'm scum?

Because the possibility of you being scum was so so so small. I was positive you were being killed, and I only kept you being scum as a small paranoia theory in the back of my mind. And Monkey for some reason said he wanted fruit from me a couple days ago.

[Mulch]

how about misère slot? it's not getting NKed at all. what about thor? also not a NK target. cheeky? again, yeah, but makes sense. sergtacos again? makes sense too!

but monkey? the guy that hardclaimed at EOD???

Because it was so fucking obvious that he wasn't a cop. It was such a small chance he would be killed. Such a small, small chance. I also thought he was scum, which of course meant he coulden't be killed. The ONLY reason why he would be killed is if scum needed an excuse to kill

[Mulch]

why would you ever send fruit to monkey of all people? why send fruit to a guy you're SURE is getting NKed if I'm scum?

Because the possibility of you being scum was so so so small. I was positive you were being killed, and I only kept you being scum as a small paranoia theory in the back of my mind. And Monkey for some reason said he wanted fruit from me a couple days ago.

that's a bullshit reason to send fruit to a hardclaimed backup when you could literally go anywhere else.

If I'm scum I just send it to a random person lol there's zero incentive for me to send it to the nightkill

[Mulch]

Thor I'm 100% sure that Tor is scum. Look at literally every single possibility. EVERY SINGLE ONE. They make no sense unless Tor is scum

He claimed prior to the confirmed Odd Night Gunsmith - I find it highly unlikely that he is scum who derped into that fakeclaim.
Can you explain that?
Is he in reality a rolecop, or do scum have a rolecop?
Because literally that's the only way I'd buy him as scum at this stage.

What are you talking about, scum and town have matching claims all thet ime. I can link you to them, if you like. Look at Giga's game, town even night watcher and scum odd night tracker.

If your going to derp like this, your likely scum. I know your smarter than this

[Mulch]

why would you ever send fruit to monkey of all people? why send fruit to a guy you're SURE is getting NKed if I'm scum?

This is a good point.
Monkey is a derp fruit choice.

2 things

1) I explained it in detail, the literally only possible way he is killed is if Tor is scum, which I did NOT believe

2) If I'm scum I just send it to literally anyone

[Mulch]

why would you ever send fruit to monkey of all people? why send fruit to a guy you're SURE is getting NKed if I'm scum?

Because the possibility of you being scum was so so so small. I was positive you were being killed, and I only kept you being scum as a small paranoia theory in the back of my mind. And Monkey for some reason said he wanted fruit from me a couple days ago.

that's a bullshit reason to send fruit to a hardclaimed backup when you could literally go anywhere else.

If I'm scum I just send it to a random person lol there's zero incentive for me to send it to the nightkill

you cannot send it to a random person and NK someone else. you'd have to send it exactly to your NK and you have to do the NK if you're keeping the town tracker alive, because you would not take the chance of having me track your scum partner.

you're 100% outed. 100%. too bad I didn't flip green yet.

Town you dosen't have this much confidence, and I don't ecen follow what your saying with the tracker. Your incoherent.

[Mulch]

Your bullshit claim has carried you this entire time and now you found some way to somehow flip you being scum into me being scum

[Mulch]

Mulch I'm gonna be confident if you're gonna out yourself in such a bizarre manner to send fruit to fucking HEM of all people LOL

what a terrible plan man.

Your harping on the fact that I actually sent it to the kill, when it was actually one of the LEAST likely kills. Also, if I'm scum I just sent it to random person.