Mafia 69: noXkill - Game over!
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
[devilsadvocate]That's true for any town player we lynch, and we are likely to lynch town today since most of the players aren't scum (I think). So why not lynch someone erratic in her voting who will never be helpful to the town? [/devilsadvocate]"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
I wouldn't say they're weak excuses, they're actually perfectly good excuses. We can't let Karen coast to endgame, she'd just kill us there. The fact that she hasn't been lynched already makes me think there's a good chance she's scum.curiouskarmadog wrote:
I dont buy it...our first day lynch should not be this easy...you dont find some of the votes on here...well, strange?...weak excuse? and explanations that paint her has bad town, not scum?Cephrir wrote:I realize that offing an innocent is bad, but we have no guarantee than Karen is innocent, in fact, she's just as likely to be scum as any of us, and if we have to lynch someone it may as well be her.
Yeah, but there's a reason why Karen is being wagoned. You, as a somewhat experienced player, would not behave so erratically that you attract all those votes.dybeck wrote:How ironic that this post is itself scummier than anything Karen's said all game. Getting pissed about the fact that there's a baseless bandwagon on you is NORMAL. I'd be pissed if too if I were Karen.
unvote, vote: Flyinghawk-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
Actually, since there are a lot of fairly new players in this game, I really am surprised there isn't a bigger wagon on her.Kison wrote:Cephrir wrote:
I wouldn't say they're weak excuses, they're actually perfectly good excuses. We can't let Karen coast to endgame, she'd just kill us there. The fact that she hasn't been lynched already makes me think there's a good chance she's scum.curiouskarmadog wrote:
I dont buy it...our first day lynch should not be this easy...you dont find some of the votes on here...well, strange?...weak excuse? and explanations that paint her has bad town, not scum?Cephrir wrote:I realize that offing an innocent is bad, but we have no guarantee than Karen is innocent, in fact, she's just as likely to be scum as any of us, and if we have to lynch someone it may as well be her.Unvote
Vote : Cephir
Are you _kidding_ me? It is pagesix, and you are more certain that Karen is scum becauseshe has not been lynched???Personally, I am getting more of the frustrated townie vibes than pure scum vibes from her. But hey, let's go and lynch anyone who becomes frustrated.-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
Karen, you don't seem to understand what people mean by a "random vote". It doesn't have to be truly random, people just pick someone from the list and vote them for a stupid and/or funny reason.
Also, you are not an alt. Alts of good players do not play like crap. Alts of bad players don't even play this badly. So stop.
Dybeck: How do you not see a case here?
CKD: If you wish we'd hung Karen 10 posts ago (as 174 seems to imply), why aren't you voting for her?
And finally,FoS Green Dayfor already stated reasons."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
Dybeck, has it occured to you that maybe we see your point and don't agree?
I have to go with Sonicpulsar here: Karen is useless. I think she's slightly more likely scum than the average player in this game, and if she's town she won't be of any help anyway, plus the way she blunders about makes it impossible to read whether or not she's scum. She will continue to be unreadable if we let her survive because after we do it a few times, she will get a free pass and be able to coast along if she's scum because nobody pays attention to the massive tells that she exhibits every time she posts.
Vote: Karen"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
You're defending Karen so adamantly it's ridiculous. I think that either a) you're scum with Karen, and that's why you're defending her, or b) you're scum and are trying to pick up Karen as a "pet townie". Add this to the fact that you are the only one who sees your logic, andMajor FoS: dybeck. If I could vote for two people, I'd be voting for you."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
Finally, someone gets it.WhoMe? wrote:Firstly, you seem to have excluded all possibility that Karen is scum
FoS: CKD. All of your arguments are based on the assumption that Karen is a bad town player. There is no reason she can't be a bad scum player. There is also no reason why scum would NK her. Everything I wanted to say in this post has already been said by Twomz, Zoneace and Sonicpulsar. But I feel the need to say this anyway:
KAREN, CLAIM PLEASE.-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
No matter what, you always ask someone who's going to be lynched for a claim. Well, except maybe in really odd circumstances that I can't think of.thinktank wrote:Cephrir, weren't you one of the people BWing karen in the beginning of this day? correct me if im wrong but asking someone who you are SURE is scum to claim kinda makes it seem as though you are unsure she is scum because she COULD have a power role. In this type of game where we need to be lynching scum every game day without doubt we can't have such a doubt. As it has proven through the posts of several people who have asked Karen to claim, it is definetly not certain she is scum. Infact if she did have a power role, how inredibly unproductive to town would be to gambit yourself? All I am saying is we need to lynch with more convition, there are many people pushing wagons and we need to be careful as there are supposedly X mafia groups and we need to be sure who we are lynching. And karen, by all means, please do claim so we can lynch some scum although personally i highly doubt you have a power role.-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
Green Day's vote of Twomz is pretty OMGUSy. There were plenty of people, myself included, voting and pushing for Karen just as hard as Twomz was.
I don't think voting for Karen yesterday was scummy. If someone did it in a hoppy or oppurtunistic way, maybe. But I'd expect plenty of town were on Karen as well.
/agree. +1 townie point for Twomz.Twomz wrote:IF YOU ARE IN A DUALISTIC ROLE, DO NOT SAY WHICH SIDE YOU AFFECT.
I can't really decide which of my three top suspects to put my vote on. I think I'm going to go for Sir "I Know For A Fact That Karen Is Town" first.
Vote curiouskarmadog
FoS dybeck, Green Day-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
I realize he was right. He can be right and still be scum.
CKD:
I think you are scum and knew Karen wasn't scum with you. However, dybeck has just reminded me that he's scum. Looking back, I suppose you are really onlyYesterday, I wrote:FoS: CKD. All of your arguments are based on the assumption that Karen is a bad town player. There is no reason she can't be a bad scum player. There is also no reason why scum would NK her.FoS-worthy anyway.
Unvote, Vote dybeck.-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
There's a difference between thinking I may be wrong and thinking I'm scum. Just so you know.davidangelsummers wrote:
and the im rubber your glue award goes to.....curiouskarmadog wrote:
jesus, I am scum when I dont vote karen because I think she is an idiot town, but I am oppurntunistic when I think you are scum and vote you..Cephrir wrote:Way to be oppurtunistic, CKD. I'm done arguing with you. I don't think any amount of explanation will get you to understand a single logical thing that anyone says.
cant have it both ways.
what happened to my reply? And I think if we took a poll, your play would be voted inexperienced at best.ZONEACE wrote:
Clearly the wolves are inexperienced.
FOS anyone who's joined in last 6 months
as much as I dislike Karma and his constant biteing I have to take one thing in to account. Cephrir has Voted\fosed both Karma\Dybeck and I reckon at least one of them is genuine ..SoFOS Cephrir[/b]
[quote="CKD"well post why my points are not valid, I think they are...dont dismiss them because you dont have a valid response[/quote]
That's not why your points are being dismissed, FYI.-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
I realize that the question wasn't directed towards me, I was answering anyway. Your points are being ignored because they are illogical.
Yes. Obviously. Because I totally wasn't right that Karen had to be lynched eventually. And I absolutely have done nothing protown. Other than, y'know, scumhunting. Which isn't important or anything.Maybe if you listened to my point day 1, we could have avoided lynching a townie…or maybe your goal in the game is to eliminate townies, because so far you have done exactly nothing protown."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
At the moment, actually, I have found scum in at least one of you/dybeck.curiouskarmadog wrote:funny, so far your scumhunting has produced a townie..good job..now you are barking up my tree because I was opposed to the easiest lynch Day 1 and wanted to town to actually have some conversation and discussion...yeah, you are some scum hunter buddy.so again, what have you done for this town?
Cephrir wrote:I realize that the question wasn't directed towards me, I was answering anyway. Your points are being ignored because they are illogical.
Yes. Obviously. Because I totally wasn't right that Karen had to be lynched eventually. And I absolutely have done nothing protown. Other than, y'know, scumhunting. Which isn't important or anything.Maybe if you listened to my point day 1, we could have avoided lynching a townie…or maybe your goal in the game is to eliminate townies, because so far you have done exactly nothing protown.-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
No, actually, I'm pretty sure it has more to do with your actions yesterday and the fact that you are scummy.curiouskarmadog wrote:man, you are a joke....wonder if my vote placement has anything to do with your scum hunting?
Cephrir wrote:
At the moment, actually, I have found scum in at least one of you/dybeck.curiouskarmadog wrote:funny, so far your scumhunting has produced a townie..good job..now you are barking up my tree because I was opposed to the easiest lynch Day 1 and wanted to town to actually have some conversation and discussion...yeah, you are some scum hunter buddy.so again, what have you done for this town?
Cephrir wrote:I realize that the question wasn't directed towards me, I was answering anyway. Your points are being ignored because they are illogical.
Yes. Obviously. Because I totally wasn't right that Karen had to be lynched eventually. And I absolutely have done nothing protown. Other than, y'know, scumhunting. Which isn't important or anything.Maybe if you listened to my point day 1, we could have avoided lynching a townie…or maybe your goal in the game is to eliminate townies, because so far you have done exactly nothing protown.-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
Reason #1:
I think you were too adamantly against the Karen wagon, possibly because you are scum and you know she's not scum with you, and therefore is likely town, so you can say, "Oh, I was right!" the way you've been doing.Cephrir wrote:
Finally, someone gets it.WhoMe? wrote:Firstly, you seem to have excluded all possibility that Karen is scum
FoS: CKD. All of your arguments are based on the assumption that Karen is a bad town player. There is no reason she can't be a bad scum player. There is also no reason why scum would NK her. Everything I wanted to say in this post has already been said by Twomz, Zoneace and Sonicpulsar. But I feel the need to say this anyway:
KAREN, CLAIM PLEASE.
Reason #2: Illogical arguments both yesterday and today. This is mainly from when you argued with ZONEACE. The first reason is mostly why I'm voting you, but the second doesn't help.-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
OK, here goes. Almost all bolding is mine.
This is coming from the guy who later seems to know Karen is town.CKD wrote:I understand everyone else's vote (maybe not green day's) on Karen, but the reasons you provide are weak at best. You are voting for her because she is voting for herself..How does that help mafia? If you are voting for her and she comes up scum, does that mean you are “scum or just plain bad at this?” If you are such a pro at this game, you know a quick Day 1 does not help us. If anyone reads this post,it sounds like he already knows Karen is town. Huge Scum tell in this post town.
I may have already brought this one up, I'm not sure... but why can't it be that easy? It is entirely possible for newbie scum to suck and therefore out themselves. And if she was scum, she could easily have had the other scum group on her wagon.curiouskarmadog wrote:
I dont buy it...our first day lynch should not be this easy...you dont find some of the votes on here...well, strange?...weak excuse? and explanations that paint her has bad town, not scum?Cephrir wrote:I realize that offing an innocent is bad, but we have no guarantee than Karen is innocent, in fact, she's just as likely to be scum as any of us, and if we have to lynch someone it may as well be her.
Yes, she drew votes, which could have revealed scum. But her posts themselves were definitely not helping the town.This post almost acts like he knows that Karen is town. He doesn’t even actually put a case forward against Karen. He just states that the mafia will be “rubbing their hands with glee” at her death. Why is that? Because maybe she is a town? She might be acting like the village idiot (VI), but she is could still be town.
Someone asked, if Karen’s posts are helping the town. Yeah, I now think they are.
Really assuming Karen is town here. At the time, she could have just as easily have been a bad-playing mafiate. Also, obviously scum wouldn't kill Karen if she was town because her existence was helping the scum by drawing votes and by being useless.curiouskarmadog wrote:
Are you kidding me? I absolutely agree with dybeck. So if you FoS dybeck you should go ahead and FoS me too.ZONEACE wrote:
Not all of the reasons for voting Karen are based on her being a bad player, just most of them. And also, like I said before, in games that start with day the first lynch is USUALLY town because we really have no solid info to go on, so even if Karen ISN'T scum (although i believe she actually is) why not make that first townie lynch a townie that isn't helping the town. Lynching a non-hellpful townie is better than lynching an active and possibly helpful townie inspite of a few suspcions.
so with that I'm gonnaVOTE KAREN
andFOS that would be a vote if Karen weren't there on Dybeckfor his unending defense of the player that seems most scummy now.He is not defending Karen, he is attacking the fact that this town seems to be voting Karen because she is a bad player.AGAIN, we can not afford to lose townies (even if they are bad). We are taking on two scum groups, that both get night kills. Not to mention that they can not kill each other. OUR LYNCHES NEED TO BE ON SCUM NOT BAD TOWN PLAYERS.I have a feeling that at least one of the scum groups might take Karen out tonight.
This "case" (though I wouldn't call it that) of mine made perfect sense. You assumed Karen was town in many of your posts. And then you tvote me for calling you out on it. OMGUS much?curiouskarmadog wrote:
wow, I dont know what is more astounding, that you actually posted that case, or that you think the town might actually believe it. I think you are scum, and you are trying to get another fast town lynch Day 2...hopefully the town will learn from Day 1..Cephrir wrote:I realize he was right. He can be right and still be scum.
CKD:
I think you are scum and knew Karen wasn't scum with you. However, dybeck has just reminded me that he's scum. Looking back, I suppose you are really onlyYesterday, I wrote:FoS: CKD. All of your arguments are based on the assumption that Karen is a bad town player. There is no reason she can't be a bad scum player. There is also no reason why scum would NK her.FoS-worthy anyway.
Unvote, Vote dybeck.
unvote, vote cephrir
I still find davdangelsummers scummy..lets see how long he lurks.
Those are what I'm talking about when I mention craplogic. This isn't really intended as a case though. Having reread all of your posts, I've revised my opinion of you. You defended Karen pretty strongly, but you obviously couldn't have known she was town (because the two of you could be from opposite scumgroups). So, if she turned up scum, you'd be taking a ton of heat today for defending her so much, and I don't think the risk you took was one scum would take. Also, bad logic isn't really a scumtell, it's just a playstyle/mistake thing. And the debate as to whether Karen was worth lynching as a bad town player on the off chance she was scum was really just a disagreement, not a tell. As such, I'm going to leave my vote on dybeck.-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
That's extemely helpful. So basically, you've read the game and your top suspicion is a gut feeling?killerbob wrote:1. Cephrir - from reading your previous posts and what you have posted since I have been in this game, you just seem scummy to me."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
If you're trying not to be vague, I suggest expanding beyond "his actions were scummy". That doesn't help anyone.Im sry if i was vague. I voted for Cephrir last gameday because his actions seemed scummy. Since then he is my top suspect to vote however i havent seen enough of his posts to vote on him yet."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
"So many times" really aren't the right words. I changed my mind twice. WHen I first voted for her, it was because she was playing horribly/scummily. I unvoted because she could have been a newb town as easily as a noob scum, and then revoted because she had as good a chance, and, in my opinion at the time, a higher chance, of being scum than anyone else, and plus if she was town she would never have been able to do us any good anyways, she'd have been impossible to read and couldn't be trusted in an endgame scenario. I feel like I've said this before, but whatever.Cephrir, you voted for karen, then unvoted and then voted for her again? what made you change your mind so many times considering karen's actions stayed the same throughout?
Not to quite the same extent. He could quite feasibly actually help if he is town (if he actually tries) whereas there was no hope for Karen. And with his potential imminent replace-age, I'm pretty much not voting him at the moment. And dybeck is scum, which is why I intend to continue voting him throughout the day unless something or someone changes my mind.Why are you voting for Dybeck over Greenday? doesnt Greenday show similar traits as erraticness as Karen did?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
I still don't have time to do a PBPA like I was planning to, and I don't think I will anytime soon. So here's the gist of it.
He rarely explains himself and calls out other for being unhelpful, while he himself is not particularly helpful, and is not actively scumhunting. He's constantly insisting that I am scum though he has yet to give a reason other than "I think everyone not voting Karen can see why". He really didn't give much of a reason for his suspicions of ZONEACE either:
Quite a jump there from "it was very clear to some people" to "it's a blatant lie to believe otherwise". Also, it's just plain wrong. There were plenty of reasons to vote Karen, and I'm pretty sure nearly everyone in the game has accepted that it had to happen eventually. But whatever. More importantly, be attacks Zoneace almost entirely based on the fact that they don't agree. I suspect that he may also suspect me because I disagree with him on that point, but he hasn't posted a reason so anything I say to that point is entirely conjecture.It was very clear tosome peopleyesterday that the bandwagon on Karen was based on spiderwebs and fairydust and that our best option was to carry on discussion until we had some more information.To pretend otherwise is more than idiocy, it's a blatant lie.
He insisted (and continues to insist) that the Karen wagon was baseless, which as I have already said in my argument with CKD, is not true.
Right, but she was a bad player and therefore useless blah blah we've all heard this a million times. Yet even after admitting this, he continues to rave about the baselessness of the wagon to make others look scummy, even into Day 2. It doesn't make any sense.Of course the ironic thing is that she might well BE scum! But my belief is that there's absolutely nothing to suggest either way.
Also, as everyone probably should have noticed (although I don't believe I've seen it posted), dybeck and CKD agree on pretty much everything. So, just an advance warning: If one turns up scum I will be gunning for the other extremely hard the next day.
There you go. Bad logic, lack of explanation for his suspicions (and therefore baseless accusations), inability to accept the fact that Karen could never be relied on and had to be lynched eventually. I posted this almost entirely stream-of-consciousness, so forgive me if some parts of it don't make any sense.-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
I don't really get what you're saying here.and you agreed with zoneface day 1, what do you draw from that..same logic?
Oh, come on. You don't have to try so hard to misinterpret my words, do you? You two agree on EVERYTHING. And putting your opinion yesterday in such a blatantly biased light is really not helping my opinion of you either. If he's town, you aren't necessarily town, no. Scumbuddies are linked together by agreement. Townies don't know each others' alignments so it doesn't apply. What I'm saying is that there is a link between the two of you, which is only a tell after one of the linked people is scum. And you know perfectly well that the part I bolded up there makes absolutely no sense. You have no right to tell me everything I'm saying is BS after making a ridiculous comment like that one.so if Daybeck turns up scum, I am guilty beause I didnt want to lynch the easiest person to lynch day 1(my choice had nothing to do with dybeck)?..ahhh, now thats sound logic..what happens if dybeck "turns up" town, same logic, I must be town right?
I haven't caught anyone. If one of you turns up scum at some point, I will be very suspicious of the other. You're blowing my words way out of proportion. Just because you disagree with me, and you like to pretend I'm saying things that I'm not, doesn't make me a bad player as you seem to think, it just makes you illogical.What a mastermind you are to catch two scum agreeing with each other so openly....you been playing this game for a year huh?
If there's any craplogic here it's definitely yours."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
EBWODP: Actually, I do get this now. Yes, actually, I'd say I would look quite suspicious if Zoneace died at any point and was scum, but at the moment I take no issue with that whatsoever since I'm confident that won't happen.and you agreed with zoneface day 1, what do you draw from that..same logic?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
Way to FoS all the people under suspicion. Commit to a vote please.thinktank wrote:Cephrir does not seem any less suspicious because I don't agree with all parts of your argument. Especially the part about how because Dybeck and CKD could be linked because of agreement. If anything it would be the opposite. really bad scum move to be on the same side .. That being said your argument raises an interesting point about Dybeck and his constant recurrence of the baseless wagon on karen. Thorns statements are also quite weird and make a "huh" reaction go off.
FoS: Cephrir
FoS: Dybeck
Fos: Thorn
current candidates are possibly those three for my vote. bot ready to vote yet, but most likely within these 3.-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
That's so stupid it's not even funny. I voted for Karen Day 1. This is true. But I did nothow many townies have you lynched now?lynchher. If you want to say someone lynched her,maybeyou could find a way to blame that on whoever hammered, but we all lynched her. Together. Trying to blame that solely on me is downright stupid.
And then we have Thorn. You're trying to put Thorn's lynch onI didn't even VOTE for Thorn. I was totally against the lynch ALL DAY, until it became either her or me, at which point I STILL DID NOT VOTE FOR HER. I'm not ure how you manage to take "I know I'm town so Thorn is clearly a better choice" and turn it into "Daykill: Thorn", which is the only way I could have singlehandedly killed her.ME!?
In conclusion, WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.
Alright, I already know nobody will ever vote dybeck with me for some reason. So perhaps the town can stop watching CKD and dybeck lead them around by their noses and lynch the one who spouts horrible craplogic at every possible oppurtunity.
Unvote, Vote CKD-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
I'm voting for CKD for blatantly lying. It has nothing to do with disagreement, it is quite clear that I haven't lynched anyone.
My dybeck vote yesterday may have a little bit to do with disagreement, but honestly, so does his against me. And I have plenty of other reasons why he's scum."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
I didn't really support or not support it, but what does that have to do with my post?are you saying you didnt supoprt the green day/thorn lynch?
No... I'm saying I didn'talso, are you saying you werent on the Karen lynch?lynchher. Do you understand whatlynchmeans? Here's a hint.Lynchdoes not meanvote.-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
WhoMe: I was against the lynch until it became either her or me.
No. It isn't.now it is
People are lynched due to a majority vote. The lynch is the responsibility of everyone who voted for Karen. Unless someone had some sort of crazy auto-lynching power, or a double vote with 3 players alive, no single player is going to lynch any other player.well what does lynch mean then? Hope you are not about to blame her lynch on the hammer? Was your vote on the Karen lynch? Do I need to quote all the post from Day 1 pushing for a Karen lynch?
In that case, no. I didn't actually want anyone on that list lynched except for dybeck. The other two were just those I felt were most suspicious out of all non-dybeck players at the time.so I guess I am misreading this post?..I guess being on your scum list, doesn’t mean you want someone lynched?
First there's the repeated insistance that I'm scum, which of course isn't true, but you only know that I'm not scum with you, so it's notyou are saying that I am lying (to jusitfy this last vote on me)...please show my blatant liesquitea lie.
Then there's this.
This implies that I have lynched someone. It definitely implies that I had voted for Thorn. Surely even you can see that. Plus, when I assumed you were blatantly lying, I thought you understood the meaning of the word lynch. Of course, for at least the third time in this game, I have been proven wrong due to overestimating your intelligence. Perhaps I need to lower my standards. So this isn't a lie either, but it would be if you were even remotely logical. Instead it's just craplogic.how many townies have you lynched now?
Now for a couple actual lies.
Not so much. It seemed perfectly logical to at least half the players in this game, and I'm pretty sure we're not all simpleminded or scum.the wagon made sense if you were simple minded or mafia
That's a lie, I didn't "strongly push" for Thorn's lynch. I didn't push Thorn's lynch ONE SINGLE TIME. Find me a post where I "strongly pushed" lynching Thorn. Oh, wait. You can't, because there isn't one.Not only did Cephirr strongly push for a townie lynch yesterday..he is pushing crap logic today..-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
Disregard that, I misread. So basically what you're saying here is "oh, you're right, you didn't lynch anyone". I would take this to mean you realized what lynch means, but you ask me later in your post, so apparently not.Me wrote:No. It isn't."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
I have taken responsibility for voting Karen SO MANY TIMES. WHAT PART OF WHAT I AM SAYING IS NOT GETTING THROUGH TO YOU. I DID NOT LYNCH ANYONE. I VOTED FOR SOMEONE WHO WAS LATER LYNCHED BY A MAJORITY INCLUDING MY VOTE. WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND.So why arent you taking responsibility for Karen’s lynch? You just said you didn’t lynch anyone, now you are back pedaling saying everyone who voted is responsible, which is it?
We were making scum lists. So I made one. The idea behind scum lists is "hey, these people are suspicious", not "I WANT TO LYNCH ALL OF THESE PEOPLE, THESE SHOULD BE OUR LYNCHES FOR THE NEXT X DAYS!!!"Yet more back pedaling. Did you not comment on your stance on Green Day or was he one of the most suspicious of the non-dybeck players. Also, what is a point of making a scum list if you don’t want 2 out of the 3 lynched?
See, that was what I like to call a "joke". "Jokes" are supposed to be "funny".So the fact that I think you are scum makes me a liar? You are ridiculous. So were you lying when you made your top 3 “scum” list? Strange double standard when it is convenient for you.
I gave a stance on Thorn, and that stance was that I didn't really care. When did I say I never gave a stance?You still have not explained what lynch means to you? All you said is that everyone who voted takes responsibility, yet you are not taking responsibility by saying you didn’t lynch anyone. As for Thorn, you just lied saying you never stated you provided a stance, yet, you did several times. Who here is really lying?
Oh, so you actually think half the players in this game are stupid or scum. I'm sorry, I assumed you weren't being ridiculously condescending.Where is the lie? You have stated my opinion.
I wrote:A couple posts where I FoSed Green DayI wasn't pushing the wagon that hard. "Strongly push" is a massive overstatement. My scumlist is not a push, as I am being forced to repeat, I only wanted to lynch dybeck from that list. The last one is not a push at all, I said I "wouldn't mind" which has really been my stance on Green Day/Thorn all along, if he/she gets lynched, fine, if not, fine.
Do you even realize how excrutiating it is arguing with you because you twist my words in stupid ways to make me look bad? Well, it's awful."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish
Nice tags.
We all lynched her. I, myself, just me, didn't. It took all of us. Together.If your vote was on the final lynch count that lynched someone, you did lynch that person (along with everyone who voted for her)..the fact you keep stating you didnt lynch Karen, says to me you are trying to avoid your repsonsibility.
THE ONLY PERSON I WANTED TO LYNCH ON THE LIST WAS DYBECK. I HAVE PROBABLY SAID THIS AT LEAST THREE TIMES NOW. THE OTHER PEOPLE WERE JUST PEOPLE I FOUND SUSPICIOUS, THEY WERE NOT LYNCHWORTHY IN MY OPINION AT THAT TIME.Jesus, more back pedal...so did you want to lynch the people on your list or not? AND, by having someone on your list, arent you providing a stance on that person?
I didn't "think I had found scum". When I think someone is suspicious, I don't automatically get into the midset of "OMGOMGOMG THIS PERSON IS OBV SCUM". That's why there areYou stated Thorn/Greenday was on your scum list yesterday? You now want us to believe that you dont care that you think you found scum?numberson the scumlist. 1 is the most suspicious.
Well, from your response, I gathered that this is/was your opinion. Is it not?Nice appeal..."look guys, he thinks everyone who voted for Karen was either scum or simple minded, lets get him"
I had a stance. That stance was as follows: Somewhat suspicious but there are others I would rather get rid of. I was ambivolent about the lynch because there were others who I wanted to lynch a lot more than I did Thorn. I'm making this extremely clear so that when you inevitably ask me this question again in the future I can quote it.Again, did you have a stance or not? Did you think he was scum or not? Dont you want to lynch scum? Why dont you care either way?-
-
Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 25356
- Joined: October 11, 2006
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Seattle-ish