Micro 1070 | a micro normal | Endgame

[Alisae]

Your funeral

[Alisae]

Maybe Enchant will claim if they're a vote away from hammer

[Alisae]

ok you're basically 1 vote away from hammer.
I don't think Myko has voted you yet but Myko should vote you and basically wants you dead so you should claim

[Alisae]

ok you're basically 1 vote away from hammer.
I don't think Myko has voted you yet but Myko should vote you and basically wants you dead so you should claim

What exactly it changes?

Like what goal of forcing me to claim?

you replaced in.
if you're town be respectful to those who were already playing the game prior and have you in the poe. Try to be cooperative.

[Alisae]

we don't have to get your claim enchant we can just kill you if you want

[Alisae]

anyway your funeral.
Myko if Enchant continues to be uncooperative you can just claim

[Alisae]

Anyway, i claim tomorrow. Claiming today for me is antitown.

no one is going to go "oh ok we should look elsewhere" because you said this

[Alisae]

Anyway, i claim tomorrow. Claiming today for me is antitown.

no one is going to go "oh ok we should look elsewhere" because you said this

Well my role is easily confirmable and really good. If i am lying then i just die tomorrow, i am?

does not change what I said

[Alisae]

no one has any reason to trust ya

[Alisae]

Myko can claim whenever as well

[Alisae]

if enchant doesn't claim something good tommorrow then we kill enchant

if enchant gets shot at night that also solves the issue

Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.

[Alisae]

micro

[Alisae]

This is a complex micro normal

[Alisae]

Myko claim sounds pretty specific.
I'm happy with it I think?

[Alisae]

Oh so Mykonian is fakecliaming now because it lines-up conveniently with what you said?

[Alisae]

they can

[Alisae]

He's telling the truth though...

[Alisae]

if I treat Myko's claim as town as well as there being masons I need to know what Enchant has now because if myko is town that's a lot of power

[Alisae]

oh ok

[Alisae]

wow you had a masonry with datisi
I'm jealous

[Alisae]

I'm just sad he ditched me tbh

hug

[Alisae]

thx at least you got me strawberries

do you want more

[Alisae]

ok lets get myko
VOTE: mykonian

[Alisae]

Hindsight says that security guard can be a wolf ability to make myko look townier in combo with andante flip

[Alisae]

How tf they put masons in a 9er

it's in the newbie setup I think

[Alisae]

can we just get gimli instead lmfao

[Alisae]

Unless there is some reason that Gimli is clear I would like to get Gimli
guy looked like a wolf responding to these claims

[Alisae]

Ok Ari I’m still going to scream into a void if u don’t mind

[Alisae]

I am like a bussing expert

[Alisae]

Oh ok

[Alisae]

Myko does not have misc actions

[Alisae]

Gimli if ur town u should really vote for someone you think is a wolf.
You are not a wolf from your pov

[Alisae]

No ari it’s very powerful

[Alisae]

Ur wrong kekw

[Alisae]

Jajajajajajajaja

[Alisae]

LOL

[Alisae]

Ok that was funny

[Alisae]

Myko I think the way it works is it doesn’t say who sent the message but they just get the message.
Obvs I can put my name in the message

[Alisae]

Tbh I don’t even know what the fuck lazy is
Sounds like something that was added while I was self-banned

[Alisae]

That sounds really redundant

[Alisae]

Game is confirmed 7-2

[Alisae]

Doubt there is a hammer

[Alisae]

I’m going to bedge

[Alisae]

If thread were to be locked and day is over I would not at all be sad about it.

[Alisae]

While I was asleep*
Gnight

[Alisae]

Hello

VOTE: Gimli
Ari did you get your strawberries?

[Alisae]

Last wolf really should just be Gimli.
If he is a wolf I think his best play is to go for the bus the way he did and that's exactly what he did.

[Alisae]

Ari did you get your strawberries?

I got a message - not actual strawberries thought I appreciate the sentiment.

basically the same thing tbh

[Alisae]

I don't understand the wait but this game is over whenever you're ready for it to be.
Really should just be Gimli.

[Alisae]

I am really good at reading bussing some of my best solves in games have came from identifying who is bussing and who isn't.
I would say it's one of my strengths as a player

[Alisae]

Aureal I also confirmed that I do have a message as I used it last night

[Alisae]

Like ya, if you want to take your time that's your right, but please trust me.
Game ends when Gimli dies

[Alisae]

I am really good at reading bussing some of my best solves in games have came from identifying who is bussing and who isn't.
I would say it's one of my strengths as a player

when I flip VT you're losing the game on f3 regardless of your alignment hf

there won't be an f3...

[Alisae]

I'll go ahead and catch the last wolf between alisae and aureal and you can flip that after you kill me

???????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Alisae]

oh I misread that

[Alisae]

there won't be an f3...

this is so annoying that if you're town you're throwing the game over arrogance. you're not attempting to sort me, you're not even reading back the game. I'm ISOing you and aureal and andante to see what jumps to surface, then I read my notifications and it's this crap. over an associative that's wrong you're tunneling me. how do you expect me to think you're town and catch aureal instead of just tunneling back?

I'm trying to stay focused on eliminating all of the threats to the village.
I genuinely believe that you're the last remaining wolf in this game, so why would I give you room to breathe and proof your innocence?
Wolves will literally do ANYTHING to live. ANYTHING to cross the finish line.

I think I identified what happened in this game and I'm sticking too it as I have been given no evidence to proves what I think is wrong.
Why would I want to convince a wolf that I'm town? That doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

[Alisae]

It's completely different from here where she goes into a vote on me without talking about me at all till the vote, then coming up with logical reasons from the posts where I accuse her without actually calling out why I'm stupid to even think those reasons could apply to her here. She's not calling out the evidence, but calls out that I don't talk about andante when asked and instead talk about her.

VOTE: aureal

klick, what do you think of alisae putting aureal on E-1 here?

Datisi thought Alisae was mafia before he rep'd out

This things have very obvious answers. Obviously Klick doesn't like the Aureal vote, he voted me for it. My Aureal vote is a pretty easy thing to attack but it didn't lead to anything. Like nothing happened.
Obviously Datisi still likely to maintain a fos on my slot. I don't see how Gimli would expect a different answer here?
I don't see the town motive with these posts.

[Alisae]

okay alisae then I'm done reading the game

it's you, and if it's not you I'm fine losing the game with you for playing f5 in a completely tunneled manner

gl hf losing f3 and go aureal

Why would I consider other options?

Ari told me I think twice "Help me with Myko and I'll help you with Gimli"
I helped her get what she wanted and it blew up in her face. I really wanted to get you but instead, I felt like you were openwolfing during that day phase, but instead I made the team decision and helped her get Myko. It flipped town so like why would I reconsider my strongest suspect. I genuinely can't un-see it.

And it's not like you wouldn't be posting what you're currently posting if you're a wolf.

[Alisae]

If I am in your shoes and I replace into your slot, what would I do?
Well defending Andante doesn't really seem like it'll work out, she seems like someone who is liable to go down, wynaut try to identify that early and try to get cred from it?
People were suspecting the Herta slot so it makes you look more credible once Andante flips wolf.

VOTE: Gimli
this is definitely a wolf, Herta was not towny, gimli seems to be trying way too hard to push me, I'm good with voting here

Andante also reacted appropriately. She didn't engage with anything you posted at all, she just comes into thread and places a vote down. Probably because that's what she was instructed to do. It's the LITERAL first thing she does when she enters the thread.

[Alisae]

Ari told me I think twice "Help me with Myko and I'll help you with Gimli"

So apparently she told me this once but replace Gimli with Enchant and then she told me this.
Hopefully keeping her word in a team based game is something that means something to her.

[Alisae]

Why would I consider other options?

have you ever been wrong before?

Why would I assume I'm wrong without being presented evidence

[Alisae]

I have confidence in my scumhunting abilities.
I would like to think that my reads get better the longer and longer the game goes on.

[Alisae]

the vote and what e is quoting. I think it's an extremely unconvincing case by myko, and he seems to believe it, but I don't believe alisae believes in it

I’ll claim in full just to make things easier
Informed JOAT w/ w messenger shots and 2 fruit vendor shots.
I’m informed that if someone can perform a misc action, they have my role. So not only is this the JOAT shots but ALSO they are informed.
It’s the kind of role one looks at in this context and can easily go “yep, both wolves have this role” and I think writing said conclusion off entirely because my pm states that just because many exist with my role but it’s not necessary the same alignment is naive. Just considering the pov of a designer here and I can see someone wanting to design a game of this nature and call it complex.

both wolves have this role

VOTE: alisae

How do we go from these 3 posts to this post

okay

VOTE: myko

[Alisae]

It's completely different from here where she goes into a vote on me without talking about me at all till the vote, then coming up with logical reasons from the posts where I accuse her without actually calling out why I'm stupid to even think those reasons could apply to her here. She's not calling out the evidence, but calls out that I don't talk about andante when asked and instead talk about her.

VOTE: aureal

klick, what do you think of alisae putting aureal on E-1 here?

the vote and what e is quoting. I think it's an extremely unconvincing case by myko, and he seems to believe it, but I don't believe alisae believes in it

They were able to adequate explain the difference in way that made me feel like the were trying to solve Aureal's alignment, why would I not go along with it?

[Alisae]

Like in that moment they seemed fine

[Alisae]

i dunno you could both be tvt tbh im just confused atm

If we're a tvt who is it and why are you confused

[Alisae]

Do I need to case Gimli?
Show the play step by step?

How can I help you vote the person who is likely a wolf in this game?

[Alisae]

i dunno you could both be tvt tbh im just confused atm

If we're a tvt who is it and why are you confused

if i knew who it was I wouldn't be confused >_>

Okay but why are you this way, if you describe what it is you're feeling then it's easier to navigate it no?

[Alisae]

Mafia is a team game.
It doesn't just go 1 way. I don't just help you when it's convenient for you. That's a selfish way of playing and if you're going to pretend it's a team game when only you will only do what you think is right and only care to put your own reads before others, then like idunno.

Like ya you're a mason you're afraid you'll die tonight you wanna take your time that's fine, just don't promise to care about what I want when you care about what you want and you only see yourself as your only ally. I'm your teammate. One preferably uses their teammates to cover for their weaknesses. If you're confused, talk to me. If you need my help, ask me. If you don't know where to go, lean on me.

Mafia is a team game and knowing how to use your teammates strengths to cover for your weaknesses is an important aspect of the game.

[Alisae]

I'd like more posting from Aureal and Klick to make sure they are town - you and gimli shouting at each other is not going to help me get there.

I understand why Gimli's play is scum motivated in the areas that you are focused on but there are also areas that are weird to me - like why would he convince Klick to go from voting for me to voting for Andante?

To me Gimli seemed like he was testing the waters a bit when it came to trying to push you.

[Alisae]

I don't think that ari wagon was actually something that was going to lead to anything productive and it was pretty short lived.

[Alisae]

Alisae I do care about what you want.

I am assuming you are town.

I am worried you are town and wrong about Gimli because if I vote gimli and you're wrong about him being mafia, then we are going to lose and you and I are both going to feel bad about it.

I'm sorry I'm giving you a hard time.
You have the right to take your time.

I was thinking about casing it to show it off a bit more clearly because I thought it would help you but that doesn't sound like it'll help you so I don't think it's worth the time.

And look, it if I'm in an F3 situation and I'm kingmaker, I'll be thorough, I feel like you can trust me to do be thorough and make a decision I won't regret. If we lose, it's not because I'm wrong or I made a wrong decision, it's because I couldn't provide a defense that was adequate to the kingmaker. At that point, honestly I did everything I could.

[Alisae]

you spent the entire d1 enabling andante.

I think this is an over exaggeration and an unfair assessment of my play

[Alisae]

you are taking posts from the early stage of the game and acting like they mean something now?

I responded the way she did because she seemed to be over the top and it wasn't really helpful but understanding her thought processes would be helpful

[Alisae]

I kind of like aureal push even though it's not any good and it feels like WKing on page 2 which is maybe odd, and I kind of like alisae's investigation onto andante's emotions cause it's good perception. not sure if I should townread either. I think alisae is making sense and aureal is not making so much sense but IDK if that means alignment for either yet.

you like it but now it's NAI and it's meaningful

[Alisae]

That line of questioning can also come from me when I play town.

[Alisae]

you're not going to get an accurate read on me for it.

[Alisae]

what are you talking about, she was making super questionable posts and doing super questionable things in that moment.
Why wouldn't I vote someone if I feel like they're being super questionable in the moment.

[Alisae]

Like the angle you're pushing here is "you could be a townie doing these things but you could also be a wolf doing these things too"
"you only voted her because she felt too much pressure and her lim was unavoidable" bro so it's impossible for me to be a villager and just vote behavior I feel like is questionable in the moment? Heck, why would I even go for that bus? The way you make it sound it doesn't get me anything. I would just be handing villager a wolf corpse for free.

[Alisae]

why wouldn't you bus andante when she is acting like that?

@anyone who wants to benefit from beating alisae in f3: check all er's questions to andante, and then to everyone else itg. notice how the questions for the other players are always game advancing hardballs, or intent on alignment-checking, while the questions to andante are all softballs, even later on when she is getting heat is more like 'please explain these things you said and havent explained yet' and not like pressuring on contradictions or anything substancial. it's meant to improve andante's position ITG. it only became a true scumread when convenience calls for it. you don't think andante was bussed? guess what, the entire scumpool is me, ali, and aureal. we were all in andante's wagon. andante was bussed.

3 votes is not actual danger. She went from 3 votes to 5 when I voter her and she tried to pass off a questionable motion detector claim

[Alisae]

The whole point of the softball questions were to get Andante to generate something. The hardball questions are for players who actually developed something and added contributions into the thread

[Alisae]

3 votes is actual danger when andante was posting all those bad scummy things

No, at he time it seemed like those 3 votes were going to be the most she was going to get.

[Alisae]

Datisi was gone
Ari was going to do her own thing
Wavelength didn’t say anything that implied they were going in that direction.

If I’m a wolf with andante where would the 2 other villager votes come from?

[Alisae]

Andante can you try being transparent?
Why do you like 128
Why do you dislike Klick
What is your read on Myko

Your reaction doesn’t really make any sense and I can’t really parse through it but I don’t think you’re an elim right now so why is it all suddenly doomed? If ur town shouldn’t u be able to show us that?

this is what I'm talking about re: softballs. this is all trying to get andante to position herself better. expanding on reasonings is something a veteran scum player will tell a newbie scum player in wolf chat. you're doing that openly. do you see how that looks svs, when you havent treated any other slot like this?

I was asking her to try to expand on reasonings because she was giving the thread nothing to work with other than “I like this” “I don’t like this”
Who wouldn’t want more than that in those situations?

[Alisae]

3 votes is actual danger when andante was posting all those bad scummy things

No, at he time it seemed like those 3 votes were going to be the most she was going to get.

that's not true, when andante had 3 votes she was absolutely the gameday's flip. I don't think anyone here will agree with you on this.

Based off of what?

[Alisae]

there wasn't anyone townreading andante, alisae, when she got to three votes her in game position was doomed

Gimli: Andante is going down
Ali: If I'm a wolf with Andante, I don't see how Andante is getting 5 votes because 1 player repped out, the other is doing their own thing. Wave didn't say anything to imply that they would or wouldn't go Andante but even if they did, the wagon is unlikely to get a 5th vote if I just don't vote it. There's also Mykonian who was also defending the player I think.
Gimli: Nope sorry you're wrong when she got 3 votes she's doomed

??????????
LOL OKAY YA VILLAGE WILL JUST CREATE 2 MORE VOTES OUT OF THIN AIR OKAY BRO

[Alisae]

can you two stop arguing with each other and look at Klick's transition for me pls.

I think it's pointless but I feel like I'm obligated to respond.
Anyway sure 1 sec.

[Alisae]

can you two stop arguing with each other and look at Klick's transition for me pls.

like from here:

viewtopic.php?t=90508&start=500

he third-votes me to put me/gimli at 3 v 3

when I turn on him and vote for him - that's when he mentions to Gimli that he actually prefers Andante but he could still stay on Aristeia at 544 - which doesn't make a lot of sense as a reaction to me voting for Klick 30 seconds later ?

Honestly
could be anything

[Alisae]

Gimli fwiw out of Ari/Andante I have a slightly stronger opinion on Andante being a potential wolf
I'm fine with being on Aristeia regardless but if you're feeling similarly about both of them then Andante's my personal preference

I'm a scumsiding potato who's horrible at mafia, of course I'll sheep you on andante. I have no preference between andante and aristeia, my ari read is just louder because I'm interacting with her and we're 1v1ing. I think the way you caught andante on page 5-6 and their subsequent AtE are >>rand scum and I'm inclined to go there.

VOTE: andante

Gimli fwiw out of Ari/Andante I have a slightly stronger opinion on Andante being a potential wolf
I'm fine with being on Aristeia regardless but if you're feeling similarly about both of them then Andante's my personal preference

I'm a scumsiding potato who's horrible at mafia, of course I'll sheep you on andante. I have no preference between andante and aristeia, my ari read is just louder because I'm interacting with her and we're 1v1ing. I think the way you caught andante on page 5-6 and their subsequent AtE are >>rand scum and I'm inclined to go there.

VOTE: andante

Sounds good
VOTE: Andante
Don't discredit yourself though!

I want to say the first post feels more like a bus than the 2nd post but like honestly
could be anything

[Alisae]

I played with klick as a wolf team mate and I don't think klick is going to do with andante what klick did to andante as a scum partner. I'm hardclearing klick because of it. just check klick's ISO, they absolutely murdered andante, ari. it's not something you really do quite often to a partner early d1 of a 9er. klick caught andante in a trap play and exposed her as probable scum. that's how I got to strong SR andante when I was catching up with the game. while it's possible klick did that as a wolf, I think the only viable options as solves are alisae, me and aureal. if it's klick, I'm fine losing and we're going to lose.

I want to believe Klick is townie too which is why I think it's just you >_<

[Alisae]

I think Klick could play it that way if he's a wolf but I think it's unlikely.
If he played D1 the way he did and he's a wolf I would go as far as to say he really thought about how this game would play out all the way from D1 and played to it.

[Alisae]

'want to believe' lol.

Klick seems more likely to be a townie than a wolf I literally think the last wolf alive is just you.

[Alisae]

I'll compare the 2 Andante votes.
Gimli's Andante vote to me screams "I don't think this Ari push is going to go anywhere, let me claim towncred from going for Andante here"
Klick's Andante vote to me screams flexibility. He has himself positioned to go for Ari or go for the bus. Don't think it matters too much for him and I don't think if he's a wolf he has to force his hand too much here.

[Alisae]

1 vote screams to me "I want to use this opportunity to try to cash in on cred"
the other vote screams "I'm in a pretty good position to do whatever" like it could come from him if he's a villager but I think it's probably something he can replicate if he's a wolf

[Alisae]

YUCXHFSJTFK.GKJF

NO IM NOT TRYING TO READ ANDANTE IM TRYING TO GET THEM TO POST SOMETHING THAT MAKES THEM READABLE HOW IS THAT SAVING

[Alisae]

They spent most of the game doing the bare minimum and I’m a wolf for trying to ask them to provide more than what they’re currently doing??????

[Alisae]

I’m going to lose my mind

[Alisae]

Can u make posts about Aureal then and not about me?

[Alisae]

I don’t think their vote on Andante is more likely to be a bus then yours

[Alisae]

"Hi I'm just not going to play the first gameday kthxbai"

Really think that calls for a replacement but in case they are around at all VOTE: Herta

UNVOTE: Herta

My thoughts were also much more in line with Datisi, and from four people so far claiming uninformed that seems to be bearing out as more valid. If both scum and Alisae's expected three town have that role that means literally all of us who've yet to weigh in. Just not seeming so likely.

This I think is just more likely to come from town than a wolf

[Alisae]

I think the best way to describe Aureal’s play is it feels agendaless?
I don’t get the impression they’re informed and playing with a teammate.

[Alisae]

Shallow reads lmfao

[Alisae]

YUCXHFSJTFK.GKJF

NO IM NOT TRYING TO READ ANDANTE IM TRYING TO GET THEM TO POST SOMETHING THAT MAKES THEM READABLE HOW IS THAT SAVING

I know if you're town you're confbiased
but I think Gimli's interpretation makes plenty of sense as a potential read of the situation?

I think it’s reasonable to want to try to get more out of Andante. It can come from any alignment. They’re not providing much to be worked with at the time I wrote that post and it seemed like they were kind of just posting like a chicken with their heads cut off

[Alisae]

Andante can you try being transparent?
Why do you like 128
Why do you dislike Klick
What is your read on Myko

Your reaction doesn’t really make any sense and I can’t really parse through it but I don’t think you’re an elim right now so why is it all suddenly doomed? If ur town shouldn’t u be able to show us that?

Like this is a lot of words for “what the fuck are you doing can you calm down and actually provide something that’s helpful”

[Alisae]

Cuz I see those votes from dats u and ari and I have no idea why this player is being wagoned or why they’re responding the way they are

[Alisae]

YUCXHFSJTFK.GKJF

NO IM NOT TRYING TO READ ANDANTE IM TRYING TO GET THEM TO POST SOMETHING THAT MAKES THEM READABLE HOW IS THAT SAVING

I know if you're town you're confbiased
but I think Gimli's interpretation makes plenty of sense as a potential read of the situation?

I think it’s reasonable to want to try to get more out of Andante. It can come from any alignment. They’re not providing much to be worked with at the time I wrote that post and it seemed like they were kind of just posting like a chicken with their heads cut off

Sure
But I don't think Gimli's read is unreasonable to the point where your rage reaction feels like a sensible response

I disagree. I don’t see how any sane person doesn’t look at andante there and ask “what the fuck are they doing can they provide something that’s actually helpful”

[Alisae]

Aureal seems town

a read with nothing to work with.

I like 128, are you thinking Aureal not town?

They like a post but no why

Votecount

VC 1-II

Aureal (3 = E-2):

Herta, Wavelength, mykonian

Andante (3 = E-2):

Datisi, Klick, Aristeia

mykonian (1):

Alisae

Alisae (1):

Aureal

Wavelength (1):

Andante

With 9 alive, it takes 5 for an execution.

Co-mod notes:

- I'm also counting by hand, let me know if there is anything wrong.
- The combined mod ISO can be found here.

Also, what the heck are these wagons? I like Aureal, and I know I'm town, so get your freaking votes off me and go elsewhere

nothing post

it almost feels like yall were trying to vote me out before I showed back up. get off me

Nothing post

i don't think you're actually trying to read me

Not helpful

I like 128, are you thinking Aureal not town?

Yeah, I'd vote there but I don't want the wagon to grow too big just yet

bruhh it's not "I'd vote there but that makes it e-1" please explain why you're currently voting me then if you have no interest in my wagon

this doesn’t do much of anything for me

I don't like 128.

yikes. it's ok though, we don't have to agree!! I'm not saying 128 is the sole reason to locktown aureal, I just thought it was good idk

they just like the post

why would I go back and read people voting me? fuck that. not worth my time. Thus I expect truthful information when I'm here in the moment, not to be lied to then "lol checking to see if you were reading the thread" like why would I? if I really want to dig into me being voted it's just going to annoy me, and the "haha andante e-1" from whoever?? yeah no thanks. vote me out before I care, then it can be "haha andante was town"

VOTE: Klick

What the fuck is going on??????.

[Alisae]

Like the idea I’m trying to save them when I post “what the fuck are you doing can u be more transparent and post actually helpful stuff” comes across as unreasonable because literally who wouldn’t act like that when they see those posts.

[Alisae]

Shallow reads lmfao

I hard agree with what Gimli is saying atm
In contrast I think his worldview has a lot of depth to it and he believes what he's saying

It’s super easy to just attack me for “shallow reads” when I’m focused on my objective of eliminating who I think is a wolf and I’m am showing disinterest in even humoring Aureal/Klick as a suspect.
You might see my posts this phase and see I’m humoring the idea that you could be a wolf when talking to Ari but I think it’s just much much more likely Gimli decided to bus Andante and try to cash out on cred with how they did so.

Gimli is likely just the last wolf here :/

[Alisae]

I see Gimli trying to argue for my being a wolf but I feel like they’re arguments on me don’t come from a place of wanting to be right but rather just trying to use whatever ammo they can find on me.

[Alisae]

I don’t wanna scream about Gimli being a wolf anymore.
I don’t wanna defend myself from Gimli’s shitpushes.
Both of these just translate into more screaming and yelling and just doesn’t sound productive.

I’m only doing it because I have to and I feel like it’s important to stay focused.

I wanna go to bed.

[Alisae]

Ya I have to sleep now goodnight

[Alisae]

I see Gimli trying to argue for my being a wolf but I feel like they’re arguments on me don’t come from a place of wanting to be right but rather just trying to use whatever ammo they can find on me.

Like with this they mentioned “what about Aureal”
They haven’t posted anything about Aureal. When they asked me to post something about Aureal I posted and they didn’t engage with it.

[Alisae]

Can u make posts about Aureal then and not about me?

like in response to this they “no u’d” me

can u make posts about aureal then and not about me?

like you're so sure it's me, so you must be strong townreading aureal. why? is it anywhere in this thread?

And then when I posted something they didn’t engage. If anything, by shallow they must be referring to my read on you and my Aureal read. Feels gross and easy to just attack.

[Alisae]

Goodnight for realzies

[Alisae]

I can’t sleep
The thought of how the fuck Gimli expects me to throw Andante hardball questions when she’s providing literally nothing to work with is just so ???? I can’t help but see it as just unreasonable

Maybe now I got this thought out I can sleep

[Alisae]

Goodnight Ari

[Alisae]

Alisae, can you explain why you called your early conversation with Andante about her excitement "productive"?

I got this at the time

I think if they're a wolf they're likely partnered with someone who they think is likely to play the game?

[Alisae]

which is junk

[Alisae]

Alisae, now can you explain what you expected to happen if people had claimed like you wanted? What kind of scenarios did you expect to see?

I expected 1 wolf to claim it, 1 wolf not to claim it and I wanted to divvy up into groups like in this open setup https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... nd_Conquer I was kind of posting in a way that would suggest to wolves to play it like this.
The plan was to then use dayplay to sort the groups

I think if my prediction was correct it would have helped us find wolves cause we can compare claims to what had happened prior in the day phase

[Alisae]

Alisae, can you explain why you called your early conversation with Andante about her excitement "productive"?

I got this at the time

I think if they're a wolf they're likely partnered with someone who they think is likely to play the game?

which is junk

the idea was if andante's excitement was real and she was a wolf, she had a partner which I think she thought would have the expectation of posting

[Alisae]

Even if you assume that both scum have the role, there is just enough ambiguity, that the scum could do a 1 claim it and 1 doesn't claim, and the final numbers are still falling in your realm of "possible"

Wavelength picked up on what I was trying to do here ^^^^^

[Alisae]

Alisae, now can you explain what you expected to happen if people had claimed like you wanted? What kind of scenarios did you expect to see?

I expected 1 wolf to claim it, 1 wolf not to claim it and I wanted to divvy up into groups like in this open setup https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... nd_Conquer I was kind of posting in a way that would suggest to wolves to play it like this.
The plan was to then use dayplay to sort the groups

I think if my prediction was correct it would have helped us find wolves cause we can compare claims to what had happened prior in the day phase

When I saw my role I really thought that the mod would just embrace the wine and give my role to a bunch of others but that seems like that isn't the case cause I'm the only living playing with my role :/

[Alisae]

Alisae does similarly in er arguments with Gimli but I think er responses are closer to 'Appeal to Emotion' than Gimli's responses
I think Alisae wants people to feel bad for not seeing Gimli as obvscum in places

I have a hard time buying that you're presenting this take in good faith

[Alisae]

I AtE as both alignments and it's draining to have to feel like I have to refute every argument that Gimli feels like he has to come up with

[Alisae]

it's not like I can just not refute it
I don't know what I have to do to show the world that game ends when gimli flips

[Alisae]

Okay so it sounds like I'm correct and you want people to feel bad that they don't see Gimli as obvscum?
It's fine if your answer is 'yes but I'm doing it as town' I can accept that as a possible answer!

no I don't want anyone to feel bad man. Game is hard and people have their rights to take their time and think but like I feel like I just have this game solved and I just want it to be over. I feel like I just get this way all of the time when I'm hung up about something :/

[Alisae]

responding to every single bad take gimli comes up with is just draining :/

[Alisae]

but like how else am I supposed to stay on target and stay focused and while also demonstrate that everything Gimli I feel like is saying is just non-sense

[Alisae]

like ya it's frustrating that people don't see it but they're in their right to take their time

[Alisae]

it genuinely makes me think I have the charisma of like a brick when I feel like I don't :/

[Alisae]

the thought that anyone can think it's you before gimli I don't get as well and I don't think I have any power in showing why you're town
like i know you're town, it's obvious to me.

If anything you just look way more townier than Gimli

[Alisae]

it genuinely makes me think I have the charisma of like a brick when I feel like I don't :/

For me at least, I'm very resistant to being persuaded my like most arguments that I don't genuinely see myself
ESPECIALLY from people that I suspect could convince me of something that isn’t true

It's not a 'not enough charisma' problem for me, it's a 'so much charisma that I can't open myself up to it' problem

I get that it's most likely not a me issue but it makes me feel like I'm not enough and I never will be enough

[Alisae]

I would work hours on accurate cases just for someone to go "ya no I don't see it you're wrong sorry"

[Alisae]

like the fuck am I supposed to do when there's nothing I can do

[Alisae]

actually I should strike out the word accurate there because I've posted inaccurate cases too and I've gotten the same response.
Obviously I can't see it being inaccurate when in the moment so in those moments that thought process still comes up

[Alisae]

I absolutely agree with Klick.
Andante voting Klick with that post is just absolutely just bizarre

[Alisae]

It would be really impressive wolf play to try to "trap" your own partner. They would have to be able to deceive their partner to do it.

[Alisae]

less pain for the brain if I just assume that that is not what is happening in this game and that what is happening in this game is that Gimli saw an opportunity to try to get cred on Andante and he went for it. It gives him the cred that he needs to be able to eventually try to position himself to go for my miselim if he wants it and I feel like that's something he's tried to do yesterday and now today.

He had a moment in thread where he mentioned that Aureal was like "you're just letting us kill each other, huh?" and I wanted to think so too but I feel like her play being not really agenda-based as well as her voting herta, herta being replaced followed by a conversation on if we wanted to quickly kill herta right then and there, followed by an unvote from Aureal, I think just makes it much more likely that the slot is just town

[Alisae]

Sorry for screaming maybe I'll start playing mafia like a sane person again and remember that I need to actually try to "case" the other players to prove their innocence's to others if it really is just Gimli (which it is ofc)

[Alisae]

He had a moment in thread where he mentioned that Aureal was like "you're just letting us kill each other, huh?" and I wanted to think so too but I feel like her play being not really agenda-based as well as her voting herta, herta being replaced followed by a conversation on if we wanted to quickly kill herta right then and there, followed by an unvote from Aureal, I think just makes it much more likely that the slot is just town

A lot of this was said in this post but I left it unsaid. I don't know if Gimli was calling this shallow but I would like to think that this read is not shallow and that shallow is just a buzzword here to make it look bad.

"Hi I'm just not going to play the first gameday kthxbai"

Really think that calls for a replacement but in case they are around at all VOTE: Herta

UNVOTE: Herta

My thoughts were also much more in line with Datisi, and from four people so far claiming uninformed that seems to be bearing out as more valid. If both scum and Alisae's expected three town have that role that means literally all of us who've yet to weigh in. Just not seeming so likely.

This I think is just more likely to come from town than a wolf

[Alisae]

I think it's really easy to oversimplify my play here as "me not considering other possibilities."
If anything, I would say Gimli throughout this day phase has played in a way that tries to create opportunities. He's asked about Aureal but he's not putting any of the work in actually solving Aureal, and if he is, he's not showing it. The only thing he said about Aureal today is that her posts were bad and that he thinks she is letting us kill each other.

[Alisae]

I'm honestly not even that confident on Klick being last scum - like every person in the game kind of townread Klick - which is why it's really strange for Klick to not have been nightkilled N1 - instead the shot was on Wavelength?

fwiw Wavelength seemed like they had a solid TR on me?
I could see it as a kill to try to make my slot more limmable?

[Alisae]

klick 'caught' alisae when aureal was E-1 though. I think klick has defended aureal quite enough there:

Spoiler: klick defends aureal, pushes back against alisae

VOTE: Alisae

Datisi help
I found scum but e's going to beat me in an argument

I'll figure it out faster if you can convince me you believe Aureal has any chance of being scum here, much less enough of one to vote right now

To be very clear:

Aureal is at E-1

Have I not been previously clear about my Aureal townread? Genuine question, because both yourself and Andante seem to not be considering it in the posts you're making. I don't want Aureal at E-1 because I have a fairly solid townread on Aureal, and I feel like that should be obvious.

There's nothing in particular that I currently want out of this gamestate.

I guess if I dive a bit deeper into that, I want to not disturb it, because I feel that often when I try to influence the discourse with specific intentions, I fail to get anything that significantly influences my read on the game. I find much more success getting an accurate read from watching a game develop naturally without large influence from me. So I want to encourage a gamestate that feels naturally developed to me so that I can solve it properly.

Outside of that, there are a few things that I don't want. I don't want Aureal eliminated. I don't want Wavelength eliminated. I don't want you eliminated, I think.

PEdit: this was @myko

that vote didn't translate to anything though
it's just so easy to attack

[Alisae]

I'm honestly not even that confident on Klick being last scum - like every person in the game kind of townread Klick - which is why it's really strange for Klick to not have been nightkilled N1 - instead the shot was on Wavelength?

alisae did that to frame me

then killed enchant instead of you cause e can't AtE to anyone else

is that a good enough explanation?

how did I do that to frame you if I'm not specifically saying "Gimli killed wavelength."
I think the Wavelength kill makes sense if one wants to make my elimination easier down the line.
Shoot Klick makes my elimination harder, he wants my corpse! I could probably shoot him N1 and it would probably just translate into an easier game.

[Alisae]

I want to resolve Gimli today.
If it goes wrong, Gimli is the best flip. The Herta wagon was a significant wagon in this game and it gives light to that as well as checks off that box. I think getting the Gimli flip just makes the game easier to read in F3. If I did not get that flip in F3 and I was forced to vote between Aureal and Gimli, I would have a headache and I feel like this only ends in disaster if Aureal is actually a wolf. I don't think it is a wolf, but the anxiety will just absolutely destroy me.
Flipping Klick doesn't really help me read the game and help me figure it out. Would much prefer Gimli as I imagine it would be much more easier for me to re-evaluate once Gimli is dead. I feel like just bringing my 1v1 with Gimli into F3 is just a nightmare and it's best to try to resolve it now instead of betting the game on one of us being town.

[Alisae]

I just feel like if I'm mafia and I decided to bus my partner on D1 - I would play this game exactly the way Klick has. Just do it and try to lean back and let townies rip each other up while keeping my hands clean. Like every other person in this game feels like they just went straight at people's throats on d2/3 without really considering how it makes them look - Alisae, Myko, Gimli are all extremely aggressive and feel like tunneled townies - Aureal less so but at least Aureal voting right away. Meanwhile Klick is just kind of standing back and letting things fall where they may.

If you're mafia and you REPLACE INTO THE GAME
as PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER 1
are you saying you wouldn't try to bus Andante from that position the way Gimli has?

[Alisae]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _to_bus%3F
- Both players are in positions where if things are where they stand, both partners are not townie enough to make endgame
- Andante has been really wolfy in thread and is liable to be connected to Gimli.

Are you saying you don't go for the bus in these conditions?

[Alisae]

Yes I get that I sound like a broken record but it is the most probable and likely thing to have happened in the game.
I cannot unsee this as bussing, it just makes too much sense.

[Alisae]

Like you have so much you can get out of this bus it is just so worth the reward and you clearly went for it

[Alisae]

It is your best play

[Alisae]

or I can be a townie with good reads you goddamn potato

who dun it then

[Alisae]

I would like to have confidence in my late game reads. Pride, Ego.
I've screamed for so many wolves to die in late game but no one ever listens to me and my reads are generally really game in the late game
Like I understand the weaknesses and strengths of my own play so from my perspective my play is fine EVEN if I'm wrong on you because if I'm wrong on you and I'm in F3 I know I will be able to bounce back.
Being able to identify bussing is one of my strengths, my late game reads are my other.

If I'm wrong on you then I would more likely to point the finger at Klick than you.
I don't think Aureal is a wolf here.
I think it's much more simpler to believe that Klick is playing his town game. Wolves don't trap other wolves in attempt to bus each other. Possible that maybe he plays like that, but that's just not realistic.
And you're not really trying to talk about either of these players, your thoughts on Aureal have not been nuanced, in fact I would say it's shallower than mine. At least you agree with me that Klick is just more likely to be town.

Seems like you just have to point the finger at me because it's unlikely you'll actually be able to move me to be anywhere else. If you're trying to move me onto Aureal you're not really that convincing.
If anything, the players you both want us to try to meet each other on are different and honestly, if you're a wolf, I don't think you would want to vote Klick today.

Like yes ofc I can be wrong and I've probably have been wrong in this situations before but if I doubt what I see and the things I'm good at then I'll just keep second guessing myself and going in the wrong directions.

[Alisae]

Like both of you seem to think Klick trapped Andante.

Read the part with the trap again - it did not lead to Andante getting eliminated -it's not like Klick started scumreading Andante for being caught in the trap or w/e, if anything Klick said it was NAI for Andante to not read?

I don't really care about how it didn't get Andante eliminated, I just feel like that's a very uncommon way for wolves to interact with each other. Gimli being a wolf is just a much easier pill to swallow I think.

[Alisae]

Like why couldn't Klick & Andante have talked about the wagon on Andante and decided to do some theatre to make Klick look good in case it actually went through?

I don't think wolf!Klick thinks that wagon goes through, it's not really based on anything

[Alisae]

Just seems like the literal most non-simple answer one could think of

[Alisae]

Ari if Gimli flips town and Klick is alive at F3, I will vote Klick.
I will bet the game on Aureal being town.

[Alisae]

There were no votes on Andante - we had more or less forgotten about her atp?

Doesn't that make it all the more better for Gimli to come in, remind everyone that Andante exists, and push it? If I'm Gimli I would totally go for that play.

This shift to Andante came right after I switched from pushing Gimli to pushing him and it's very ???? how he went from ok to sheep Gimli and putting third vote on me to deciding well actually let's go back to Andante? Like look at his iso, does that progression even make sense for town!him to have?

Didn't he say he was typing that post as you voted him and that he didn't see it? Are you saying that's a convenient excuse he made up?
That impulsivity I feel like can come from town?

[Alisae]

Klick is a really flexible player so I imagine he'll vote any of his suspects D1

[Alisae]

Like why couldn't Klick & Andante have talked about the wagon on Andante and decided to do some theatre to make Klick look good in case it actually went through?

I don't think wolf!Klick thinks that wagon goes through, it's not really based on anything

if Wolf!Klick thinks the wagon wouldn't go through that's even more incentive to theater because there'd be literally no consequences for it.

okay, ig?
Still don't think that's how wolves go about theater. I feel like for that to happen Klick would have had to deceive their wolf partner successfully in the heat of the moment which idunno that just doesn't happen

[Alisae]

I guess I struggle to reach the same conviction you purport to have in your reads so it feels like TMI to me.

I think I would only call said read TMI if it came super early and there was actually no reason for him to have because townies normally do not get reads that quickly but I think his Aureal read is like fine

[Alisae]

unvoting the largest counterwagon to Aureal and voting for Alisae also doesn't really help Aureal.

If anything Klick should be asking Alisae to unvote if Klick is actually worried about Aureal getting quicklimmed?

I wasn't hugely worried about the consequences of an Aureal quicklim
I was concerned that ALISAE potentially wanted a quicklim to happen

Sounds like something that would absolutely backfire on me

[Alisae]

I wish we could just get gimli and the game can end and we can all be happy and dance and sing songs and eat some strawberries

[Alisae]

oh ok

[Alisae]

y'all missing out on the possibility of being aureal and hardclearing her for no reason! but okay.

you're not engaging with the arguments for Aureal town

[Alisae]

He had a moment in thread where he mentioned that Aureal was like "you're just letting us kill each other, huh?" and I wanted to think so too but I feel like her play being not really agenda-based as well as her voting herta, herta being replaced followed by a conversation on if we wanted to quickly kill herta right then and there, followed by an unvote from Aureal, I think just makes it much more likely that the slot is just town

A lot of this was said in this post but I left it unsaid. I don't know if Gimli was calling this shallow but I would like to think that this read is not shallow and that shallow is just a buzzword here to make it look bad.

"Hi I'm just not going to play the first gameday kthxbai"

Really think that calls for a replacement but in case they are around at all VOTE: Herta

UNVOTE: Herta

My thoughts were also much more in line with Datisi, and from four people so far claiming uninformed that seems to be bearing out as more valid. If both scum and Alisae's expected three town have that role that means literally all of us who've yet to weigh in. Just not seeming so likely.

This I think is just more likely to come from town than a wolf

[Alisae]

I'mma meta dive aureal and figure out what's going on in a bit

gotta lunch and do other things first

ok looking forward to it

[Alisae]

out of context yes but in context I think it is likely to come from town Aureal literally has 0 reason to unvote you if she is a wolf

[Alisae]

are you both willing to flip your own slot today to make sure the other person gets flipped tomorrow?

because I'm kind of tempted to just press end on this game if you're both that certain the other person is mafia.

deal

[Alisae]

flip gimli first

[Alisae]

that's bananas I think. I think you're all pretending like aureal's range as scum is so limited that she can't do a single thing that looks towny. the unvote is whatever and it's worse cause she didn't immediately move from there to a potential candidate. it denounces a lack of solving mindset.

@aureal I'm gonna dive you regardless but can you point at some scum games from you? thanks.

Ok but it’s a thing that townies do and it’s not a thing that wolves do

[Alisae]

Gimli if you want me to find you don’t engage with me

[Alisae]

Onus is on you to pop off here

[Alisae]

The agency is on you to convince me that Aureal is a wolf

[Alisae]

If you are a villager, engaging me is not productive

[Alisae]

It's not like e actually has no out through what e is doing either
You get eliminated today and the game is far from unwinnable for er

how do I win this game if I am a wolf

[Alisae]

It's not like e actually has no out through what e is doing either
You get eliminated today and the game is far from unwinnable for er

how do I win this game if I am a wolf

By eliminating Gimli and myself

And you think going for you @ F3 is winnable?

[Alisae]

Why would I pick that fight
you're so much better than me

[Alisae]

It's not like e actually has no out through what e is doing either
You get eliminated today and the game is far from unwinnable for er

how do I win this game if I am a wolf

By eliminating Gimli and myself

And you think going for you @ F3 is winnable?

With either combination of Aristeia or Aureal absolutely

both of those players never let me get away with it.

[Alisae]

Why would I pick that fight
you're so much better than me

I have no clue why you think this
I'm very logical but I'm not persuasive

because my wolf game in micros when I am by myself is trash

[Alisae]

Ari actively wants to atm and Aureal is considering it

Aureal will vote me because she can't figure out what alignment the massclaim comes from.
Ari would probably start out wanting you ya but as the day goes longer she'll take the leap of faith and vote me. If I'm a wolf, I don't think I'm fooling this player if she looks for it.

If I'm a wolf I can't cross finish.

Even in this situation I can't cross finish. It's a lot easier for me to cross finish if I shoot you n1. So why is wavelength dead? This game is a lot easier if I just shoot you at night because people do NOT care about what dead townies think in mafia.

[Alisae]

What *would* you be doing as wolf alone here Alisae?
Like *lay down and die* isn't the answer

I would probably opt to keep my options open instead of limiting what I can do.

[Alisae]

'Why is Wavelength dead' is a good question regardless
I think Wavelength was comparably a consensus townread to me on D1 but I don't know why specifically Wavelength would be killed over myself N1
I was not expecting to survive N1

Wavelength makes it easier for someone to try to get my townflip!
That's my theory.

[Alisae]

What *would* you be doing as wolf alone here Alisae?
Like *lay down and die* isn't the answer

I would probably opt to keep my options open instead of limiting what I can do.

I tend towards not believing this
It's not majorly influencing my read but I think in this situation as scum you'd basically be doing exactly what you're doing

OKAY BUT I'M TOWN
THIS IS HOW I PLAY END GAME WHEN I'M A VILLAGER WHO KNOW'S THEY'RE RIGHT.
I LITERALLY WAS SCREAMING FOR THE SAME PLAYER TO DIE AND NO ONE WOULD LISTEN TO ME BECAUSE APPARENTLY THEY TRUST TOLD WHEN THEY DIDN'T??????????????
EVEN WHEN I BROUGHT UP GENUINELY CONCERNS THAT WERE LEGITMATELY THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING IN THE GAME
NO ONE WAS LISTENED TO ME BECAUSE THEY TRUST TOLD.
AND THEN DUCKIE REPLACES IN SHITPUSHES ME FOR IT AND GETS AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE I JUST COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY EVERYONE WAS JUST SO INACTIVE DURING THAT PHASE

[Alisae]

like i have the BEST read in the game as to what happened in it and everyone else just goes "uh ya but they trust told"
???????????????????????????

There was another Micro where I lost my fucking mind in late game situations because I felt like I did literally everything in my power to corner and kill the person who I thought was obvwolfing but village just went "ya no I don't agree sorry"

[Alisae]

Help me really clearly see that Gimli is a wolf then

I think Gimli's D1 is really good

I think the most simplest explanation for what happened in this game was Herta put out a questionable Andante read that was probably supposed to be a joke, and Gimli decided that his best course of action was to try to shop for what was possible with Ari early, test the waters a little bit, and then when you offered to go to Andante, seize the moment and go for the bus. If you didn't offer I feel like he would have put up Andante up at some point because he's the person that I feel like really brought the read back to the table.
Andante was completely forgotten about at the time of the game as an elimination. Like they just existed and they were just there but everyone else was focused on like me and everyone else that was posting and Herta. I think it makes sense from a wolf!Gimli perspective while catching up to bus. His partner from his perspective looks extremely wolfy, everyone hasn't really at it yet so if he brings it up he can get cred, and it would probably be easier for him to try to deepwolf the game by himself than get caught up and getting themselves caught via associatives.

I think it just make so so so much sense for Gimli to have gone "Ya, I think I want to bus this" and go for the hardbus. If anything I don't think wolves expected Ari to bring down rightful justice as she did. I

[Alisae]

I think that is Gimli's best course of action and I think that is just what happened in this mafia game.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Gimli
this is definitely a wolf, Herta was not towny, gimli seems to be trying way too hard to push me, I'm good with voting here

THIS IS THE FIRST THING THAT SHE DOES WHEN SHE COMES INTO THE THREAD

[Alisae]

Like I just see how that D1 played out and how all of those pages played and I just can't help but think that he gets way more out of bussing here than I do.
Way way way more.

I've explained how I don't have to bus there. Myko had been defending her, Wavelength didn't seem like he was going to vote andante, Datisi was gone, and Ari was pre-occupied.

If I'm a wolf w/ Andante, I genuinely think I get more out of Andante if I have her hammer Aureal. Lots of wine there to be had.

[Alisae]

I could probably find a way to inflate the pages too, I LOVE doing that as a wolf cause everyone I post I know that it's a wolf post
I had to do so when I was playing wolf with mena because I had to communicate with him and get away with it with 2 townies watching cause we didn't have a wolf PT LOL

It's really easy to hide when one assumes that everything is just junk

[Alisae]

We still couldn't coordinate a kill on anyone btw, that game was atrocious I lost my mind

[Alisae]

If I'm a wolf w/ Andante, I genuinely think I get more out of Andante if I have her hammer Aureal. Lots of wine there to be had.

Also if I am wolf look at how I'm interacting with her. If I'm a wolf, do you think that I think this is a wolf game where I would want to care about when I see Andante play like that? It'd be so much more easier for me I feel like to cut the drag early and do so in the way that gives town little information to go off of. I legit remember a wolf game I won where town was eliminated on page 1 because wolves faked a guilty in rvs thinking it was a joke and a townie took it seriously and put a QUAD VOTE DOWN ON THE PLAYER.

Short D1s that give town nothing to work with?
Tasty gimmie.

[Alisae]

I think the best part of a play like that by the time I get to D3 I'm playing my wolf game to an audience that has 0 experience with wolf!ali.

[Alisae]

obviously we need to figure out Andante

what's the rush?

I dunno, ask mykonian? He was getting very worked up about a 'deadline' or something. And the game hadn't even been open 48 hours yet.

I'm asking you cause you're voting me because of a rush, and you're just "idk go ask myko" like what?

VOTE: Aureal

YOU are the one voting ME because of said rush, and you don't even know what this rush is?? "Oh idk, there's a rush, just gonna plop my vote on the person not here right now, that's a real easy wagon to start pushing"

If one is trying to disguise bussing, the best way to do it is to show impulsivity as one would think with bussing that it looks like one person putting their vote down and never moving it.

[Alisae]

it almost feels like yall were trying to vote me out before I showed back up. get off me

i don't think you're town lole

i don't think you're actually trying to read me

Doesn't OMGUS Datisi here

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why would I go back and read people voting me? fuck that. not worth my time. Thus I expect truthful information when I'm here in the moment, not to be lied to then "lol checking to see if you were reading the thread" like why would I? if I really want to dig into me being voted it's just going to annoy me, and the "haha andante e-1" from whoever?? yeah no thanks. vote me out before I care, then it can be "haha andante was town"

VOTE: Klick

OMGUS you here

[Alisae]

dats/ari, idk how to ever read these 2, I don't think I've read like any posts from them this game that stood out

Maybe she figured out those 2 were masons at some point because I don't think she ever votes these 2 players outside of RVS. Maybe as early as when Andante voted Klick she figured out those 2 were masons?

[Alisae]

It seemed like whenever Andante voted someone outside of RVS it was OMGUS.
She OMGUS voted Klick. <-- This one was after interacting with a player.
She OMGUS voted Gimli. <-- This one is literally the first thing they post in the thread.
and she OMGUS voted Aureal. <-- This one is definitely on town.

Which one is it that is likely to be bussing?
I'd pick Gimli

[Alisae]

I vote Andante because I was catching up and I just kept seeing insanity and was like "yeah ok I don't really have anything else better to vote lets vote this"
If you think that's a bus idunno what to tell ya explain how that's a bus. I think the only reason that can be pointed to is because we have the exact same rolecard and I'm the one that posed a massclaim so like if I flip the wolf who was like "ooooooh okay" and then didn't add anything else or actually give any thoughts on it it makes me look better. I think this is the only argument for why I'm okay with flipping Andante.

Idunno, what do you think makes more sense, I started up a massclaim in order to plan ahead for a bus, or me proposing a massclaim to try to see if I can get other players to claim that they have my role and force those players to play their hand, which Andante did not say anything about it.

I think ladder makes more sense as I think if I'm the only villager who has my role, wolves are just not gonna claim it. Andante didn't claim it. Why would the other wolf claim it.

[Alisae]

wait hold up, this was advertised as complex? lmaooo

and 1 sec, alisae? why did you claim? it's day 1, game just started

Shows shock at setup being advertised as complex and asking why I claimed

and 1 sec, alisae? why did you claim? it's day 1, game just started

I softed a bunch and thought might as well claim in full to make it easier for those who don't understand to be able to understand.
I feel like the only reason why my role exists is because wolves both have my role and I feel like now that the game has developed a little bit, let's maybe introduce this part of the puzzle and see what happens next.

I tell her why and she just goes

and 1 sec, alisae? why did you claim? it's day 1, game just started

I softed a bunch and thought might as well claim in full to make it easier for those who don't understand to be able to understand.
I feel like the only reason why my role exists is because wolves both have my role and I feel like now that the game has developed a little bit, let's maybe introduce this part of the puzzle and see what happens next.

hmmm interesting, I honestly keep forgetting this game is so small, so I guess it doesn't really matter, probably searching for 2 scum, I don't feel like scum does this so early, so you're probably town, hmm this might actually be an easy solve.

she basically just goes "yep ok" nods head and then doesn't add anything else other than "eeeeeeeeeeh, ya you're probably town"

[Alisae]

I think her read on me should just be clearing me tbh because it just looks like to me that she just knows I'm town but doesn't also want to add since obviously my idea is pro-town from my pov