Mafia Reunion | Postgame

[Titus]

oh right names are a thing

uh

what is the likelihood that it is helpful to scum

I'd imagine helpful to both.

[Titus]

VOTE: Aureal DV is fine too.

[Titus]

Damn this is a cult-like game. Idk how to go about going forward, people will just get converted who i town read.

Where'd you get this?

[Titus]

Where the hell is this cult speculation coming from? I don't like Flavor's response to me asking and I don't care for NK voting there. Flavor might be looking for a reaction but NK looks like he's shopping for an alternative.

[Titus]

Titus, have you been reading the game?

Not really. I just comment on what stands out.

[Titus]

Oh

[Titus]

See I feel like the natural thing would be to look at the game information? I don’t know

I used my role pm, which suggests no cult and missed that spot in the setup.

[Titus]

I am unpacking...slowly. Net set up on the second. Have to drive an hour each way to get a microwave or wait until Tuesday.

[Titus]

Are you trying to fake a dumb tell right now?

All the names are in the setup post, even i saw that

I did not see that, nor did I know I could have chosen what my name could be lol

You got to choose?!?

You could send in names during sign ups, kind of like a pseudo U-pick

Wait what.

I don't recall this, not that I care lol.

[Titus]

I think Radical Rat might be scum. Haven't seen RR much since massclaim was off the table

[Titus]

Kitty's town fyi.

[Titus]

Kitty's town fyi.

Kitty obv town.

I like this new level Kitty been playing at recently

Either of you have reasons here?

Gut based off content level of activity not anything particular.

[Titus]

Oh fuck, didn't realize deadline was that close.

I'll do Kitty, Titus, or any of the lurkers.

Absolutely will not do Theta or Flavor Leaf.

Oh this is easy. Get rid of dissenters and no rational scum reads.

VOTE: RR

[Titus]

@Mod:

Seeing as we have a(t least one) player in need of replacement can we please have a deadline freeze/extension?

Bolding because I agree

[Titus]

I'd also shift to DV.

[Titus]

VOTE: DV

RR, your vote?

[Titus]

I'm not active as I could be but I'm a very reactive player so if the game's quiet I am quiet.

Same. Although RL.

[Titus]

Can you vote DV?

[Titus]

Who do you suspect?

[Titus]

I want to highlight that RR said he'd vote a lurker but no DV vote.

[Titus]

btw I claim ascetic

okay cool uh

this does not help any town prs that require real names to target but assuming there are not many of them might be good to keep real name hidden so that cult can accidentally hit you
same with flavor leaf

O.o...you think no town interact with the very mechanic this is based off of? Really.

[Titus]

VOTE: titus

Don't like this not just because it's on me. We have a confessed person who doesn't have our wincon. I don't get why you'd unvote DV here.

[Titus]

VOTE: titus

Don't like this not just because it's on me. We have a confessed person who doesn't have our wincon. I don't get why you'd unvote DV here.

It sounds like we can potentially work with DV to get information that does help our wincon though?

DV is claiming a third party that likely doesn't exist. There is one third party according to the setup. Unless scum can convert, he's the one doing it with a fake claim.

[Titus]

11 Hobbyists (Uninformed Majority)
3 Enthusiasts (Informed Minority)
1 Individual (Third Party)

[Titus]

Strike that the third party doesn't convert.

I CC DV as I doubt both our roles exist as I give info on who could be converted.

[Titus]

Each night, if get a good night's sleep, I get 3 real names, 2 of which must be town.

[Titus]

Each night, if get a good night's sleep, I get 3 real names, 2 of which must be town.

2 must be town, the 3rd could be either?

Yes, by implication. The language says (paraphrasing) must be town without mentioning scum or 3p.

[Titus]

Yeah. Sucks I had to counterclaim but eliminating a hostile 3p is worth it.

[Titus]

Like, I know it might be asking too much for this stuff from Titus to make sense, but...

Titus, have you been reading the game?

Not really. I just comment on what stands out.

This game contains a single bastard mechanic, namely the factional

Enthusiasts

ability, which will involve conversions.

This is why we're talking about cults.

Oh

So Titus knows by post 240 that cult recruits.

VOTE: titus

Don't like this not just because it's on me. We have a confessed person who doesn't have our wincon. I don't get why you'd unvote DV here.

It sounds like we can potentially work with DV to get information that does help our wincon though?

DV is claiming a third party that likely doesn't exist. There is one third party according to the setup. Unless scum can convert, he's the one doing it with a fake claim.

And... doesn't know again in post 396?

Also I don't know how her role as claimed in 405 suggests no cult like she said in 241. 404 actually sorta seems to contradict the idea, even! And doesn't really agree with 405, because giving info about names and their town status doesn't mean anything in terms of who can be converted. (Those such as Gamma and FL, assuming they're town, would check the "town" box but not the "could be converted" box).

See I feel like the natural thing would be to look at the game information? I don’t know

I used my role pm, which suggests no cult and missed that spot in the setup.

Strike that the third party doesn't convert.

I CC DV as I doubt both our roles exist as I give info on who could be converted.

Each night, if get a good night's sleep, I get 3 real names, 2 of which must be town.

My role suggests no cult in that my information would require knowing NAR of a cult without the mod confirming how it works.

P.S. Theta is scum. That's my number 1 wish.

[Titus]

I saw that, and don't get how that matters
I honestly think it's pretty fucking wonky that Titus was arguing the the 3p could also have a conversion

3p has a fake claim and the game centers on it. Why not have the 3p with one?

DV is also anti town by saying today or put it off indefinitely.

[Titus]

on the one hand i am not sure why cult would cc the 3p

but that was not actually a proper cc from titus now was it

This is scum. Hands down. My role is 100% a cc.

[Titus]

Theta wants to lim the cop and save the 3p, which is 100% what scum want.

Theta has omgused since the start.

Theta is scum.

[Titus]

on the one hand i am not sure why cult would cc the 3p

but that was not actually a proper cc from titus now was it

This is scum. Hands down. My role is 100% a cc.

You're going to have to explain how "2/3 names are Town" conflicts with guessing names/conversions. Because it really doesn't seem to.

Because it tells me 2 out of 3 players haven't been converted...which is the same as what DV promises

[Titus]

you are not really that much of a cop if you can only get psuedo-innos in a cult game

A parity cop is still a cop.

You are not town. Name 1 thing you've done beside try and save DV and push me.

[Titus]

there is scum taking the defense side of DV 100%. probably scum pushing them too, so that's fair.

but yeah, i'd say 1 scum on each side at least.

I actually agree with this for different reasons. Scum (most likely) prefer me but there's a clear upside to removing the 3p to scum as well.

[Titus]

VOTE: NK15

Solely deadline and this page. In trial. Gtg.

[Titus]

Two of Emerson, Blair and Nova can be trusted.

[Titus]

VOTE: Radical rat

I suppose I can throw a kitchen sink if needed but suffice it to say the push against kitty was scummy and RR needs to burn for it

VOTE: Rat

I can get behind this action.....dan

Dad jokes are townie

[Titus]

Do you still think bianco is scummy FL?

not really, but more because i didnt interact with them past that point, and it feels like a long time since this game was played, so i forgot a lot.

I can relate, the biggest thing I will never forget is DV must be taken care of......but I will never have enough support to do just that and it bums me out.

i might try to vote DV to see what happens.

VOTE: DV

But I standby that 3rd party was the best slot to kill. I looked over their wincons, and if nobody targets them (which I guess isn't always possible because Real Names), then they have to get lucky on conversion guess. But that only happens if they get eliminated. So they either have to work with town to help leave the game, lowering town's numbers an EXTRA amount by losing an extra player.

I just dont see why people were defending a slot that can dissolve itself individually in a cult game.

DV triggered. DV can't be limmed today.

[Titus]

I'd interpreted the friendship group as a pseudo-masonry, where everyone starts Town but could still be converted.

I may just be reading too much into that though

Yuck

[Titus]

I am not claiming real name publicly, ever.

I would also prefer not to claim my role just yet... but it is partially confirmable.

Wtf? You wanted us to claim real names but aren't going to claim yours ever?

[Titus]

Oh fuck, didn't realize deadline was that close.

I'll do Kitty, Titus, or any of the lurkers.

Absolutely will not do Theta or Flavor Leaf.

Titus gets put a lot into these, and they eventually turn and say they want Titus alive, so could be signaling to Titus/Kitty here. I think Kitty's town this game, though.

Actually, I'd go Theta here. There's a rule of 3. RR gives the option of two townies and not two scum or scumreads.

[Titus]

Titus, have you been reading the game?

Catching up. I was in trial Thursday and Friday.

[Titus]

Yes, which is why I am baffled at RR not ever being willing to claim the real name. If RR is on the list, that gives RR higher odds and we could go for Theta.

[Titus]

I am not claiming real name publicly, ever.

I would also prefer not to claim my role just yet... but it is partially confirmable.

Wtf? You wanted us to claim real names but aren't going to claim yours ever?

I WOULD have at the start when I suggested. I did note that my opinion had changed later on in the day as more information came out.

What specific info changed your mind?

[Titus]

Mod, can we have the names of the dead edited into the real names table?

[Titus]

eh

it is probably not as bad as i am thinking

deas is going to leave tonight anyways most likely so names that have a low probability of being the unrecruitable third party is probably not that useful compared to how useful it might be for us later

I still don't see how it's useful at all given that their alignment can be changed. Assuming scum recruit using real names, those ones in particular are maybe looking more juicy as targets.

Right, but they shouldn't have a list of names to compare to. They can pick blind off the list but could wind up with a lurker.

[Titus]

I am not claiming real name publicly, ever.

I would also prefer not to claim my role just yet... but it is partially confirmable.

Wtf? You wanted us to claim real names but aren't going to claim yours ever?

I WOULD have at the start when I suggested. I did note that my opinion had changed later on in the day as more information came out.

What specific info changed your mind?

The confirmation that scum recruit by real names, and the multiple claims of recruitment immunity. This necessitates scum not knowing who they're targeting to maximize the chances of a failed recruitment.

If you ISO me, you should see where I made a note of that.

Where?

[Titus]

I am not claiming real name publicly, ever.

I would also prefer not to claim my role just yet... but it is partially confirmable.

Wtf? You wanted us to claim real names but aren't going to claim yours ever?

Do I have to point out again why Titus is town?

I don't recall you ever doing something of the sort?

Calling Titus town?

I definitely have done that before lol, many times

I don't really remember you doing even that in this game, let alone explaining

why.

More of a meta Titus read, thought I mentioned as such in this game, but apparently not lol.

She doesn't make sense as scum, imo......from a logical stand point at least.

Why? I was the counter to a townflip?

[Titus]

For obvious reasons, do not claim if you are on the list or not.

That is a breeding ground to be converted from, though.

Right. Only claim if you're run up AND on the list though.

[Titus]

For obvious reasons, do not claim if you are on the list or not.

That is a breeding ground to be converted from, though.

Right. Only claim if you're run up AND on the list though.

Do you get names before or after possible conversion?

Logically, after but asking. If it was before, the statement could be a mod lie which would be an additional bastard element.

[Titus]

VOTE: Theta

Town doesn't benefit from letting 3p win and removing an unrecruitable name from the pool

You guys have got to be fugging kidding me.

"waaaaah we don't want the 3P around let's kill it"
"waaaaah how dare you try to get rid of the 3P it benefits town for it to be around"

This looks like my D1 theory.

[Titus]

look at my day 1 posting

i wanted to keep the 3p alive to eat cult recruit shots potentially
but no a bunch of you just want deas dead instead so i offer a way to get deas out if they are what they claim without using one of our eliminations

There's barely been any Deas drama, people want Rat dead

I thought you wanted 3P left alone yesterday Roden?
Are you not town?

I still do. Your "gotcha" attempts are bad.

We can't lim DeasVail today.

[Titus]

HURT: DV - then be louder, ya fks lol

bedtime bathroom break; Titus, what do you mean "trusted"? i will be able to have probably maybe looked at your initial claim by tmrw, sry etc.

I mean that they are not enemies of town.

[Titus]

Ok that's enough paranoia, I'm the streamer. I can choose to self-watch each night, and then mod-confirm who visited me during the day. I thought it would also confirm my real name as well, but I'm kinda glad it didn't.

I plan to do this every day, so I'm effectively perma-cleared as town as long as no one visits me or we can determine that anyone who has visited me is also town.

I think Finley should claim btw. Who they are and what they targeted me with.

I'm reluctant to do so, as it would narrow down quite a few possibilities for your real name or mine or possibly out them. You know if I did or not by my result.

[Titus]

I may have made a slight error in that I actually wanted this to happen later, but I suppose there's no use beating around the bush now.

I have a PT with DeasVail. He'll be winning today, and further discourse around him is a distraction. This is what I meant when I said I was partially confirmable.

Under which wincon?

I visited him last night (that's where the PT came from), and was his only visitor. I've given him my name in exchange for him continuing to play pro-Town for the remainder of the day, but he said he was afraid of the day ending early while he was asleep and that he'd be submitting soon.

Which... yeah, guess I can't really blame him there, no sense just sitting on the win like that.

Did you ask the mod if we can win with the 3p if their claim is true?

[Titus]

I mean all Titus' information gives is 2 town names, we have no idea if the third one is town or scum, it's random.
If DV appears as town to investigatives, then we don't really learn anything.

Yeah, but if this is an exception to DV's immunity, we have two hard innos.

It's something Titus will need to ask once the flip happens.

DV's immunity?

[Titus]

VOTE: Theta

Join me RR?

[Titus]

My pm is after conversion but leaves room for false positives, such as DV's claim.

[Titus]

My pm is after conversion but leaves room for false positives, such as DV's claim.

Sorry if missed it, but have you confirmed with mod specifically now that DV is flipped that his name in your list is a false positive? My instinct is to not agree with that decision but the mod's word trumps all ofc

No but I can ask.

[Titus]

My pm is after conversion but leaves room for false positives, such as DV's claim.

What about miller-likes?

Probably would never count as one of the good ones but it's possible. I don't have the exact pm.

[Titus]

My pm is after conversion but leaves room for false positives, such as DV's claim.

To compile everything about your results:

You receive three names
Two of those names are Town
One of those names can be any alignment
You can be fooled if a role investigates differently
This information is otherwise accurate as of day start

Is all of that correct, or am I missing anything?

Correct

[Titus]

don’t trust Cakez bc he’s done nothing worth trusting, from my PoV, but tbh I’ll admit I fked up if DV flipped in the names & I didn’t notice

PE: don’t talk to me about NF, you all limmed him & not me!!!

What does DV flipping in the names change?

Without the ability to know whether DV took a "Town" spot in Titus's results, the strength of the result remains the same

No. We know at least one of the names is town. Making it a 50% chance at minimum the name is town, which is less than average. My ability gets more powerful the longer I'm alive. If Emerson comes up in my list again or someone else with mod confirmation to me is good, I might stick my own real name in their place.

[Titus]

And Maestro is actively trying to protect Friendship Group, even after a FG only investigative town got flipped. This just keeps options open, and lets them hide behind Dan, if Dan town.

And if they have 3 Real Names, their play right now is helping scum get players they might want to get converted.

Maestro + Theta scum team is where I'm at right now.

Socially, I'm at Aureal Theta based on how close they are to each other.

[Titus]

don’t trust Cakez bc he’s done nothing worth trusting, from my PoV, but tbh I’ll admit I fked up if DV flipped in the names & I didn’t notice

PE: don’t talk to me about NF, you all limmed him & not me!!!

What does DV flipping in the names change?

Without the ability to know whether DV took a "Town" spot in Titus's results, the strength of the result remains the same

No. We know at least one of the names is town. Making it a 50% chance at minimum the name is town, which is less than average. My ability gets more powerful the longer I'm alive. If Emerson comes up in my list again or someone else with mod confirmation to me is good, I might stick my own real name in their place.

You can receive dead players' names?

Best to give scum the reason to think I can.

[Titus]

DV's name is considered one of the two.

[Titus]

Wtf...Flavor

[Titus]

It's not your bad, it's Leaf's for being a damn psycho threatening to turbofade you for no reason. I'd have done the same thing.

This is still scum.

[Titus]

Oh also Aureal obvtown for now.

Nah. If you're town, it's Aureal implying they know you're town.

There are a lot of hammer trolls. While it's shocking Aureal is fake af.

[Titus]

My names are Blair, Dakota and Nova

[Titus]

I think Titus and Cakez are probably converted, we can probably measure conversion levels by sudden drops of activity/interest in this game

This seems like a poor take, especially calling out two people who is always kinda low activity(Cakez) and another who has been low activity in general(Titus)

I just finished a trial and I'm wrapping up moving.

I've said it a million times. My activity is solely related to IRL.

[Titus]

Roden Theta and Aureal are wagons I'd vote with the disclaimer that I have read nothing of today.

[Titus]

I do have some questions about your passive info gathering part of your role. Can you spell out the pieces of info you started with and gained each night. I want to make sure it aligns with what my role implies about conversion flavor

I started with info, and then get it every night.

- convert with Real Names.

- started with a Traitor (flavored as an Addict)

- converts become Addicts.

Oh interesting so converts don't know the scumteam and scum don't know who they hit if we keep real names hidden. Converts could vote to lim scum.

That explains why RR was such a target to lim after RR claimed conversion immune.

[Titus]

Wait they claimed immune after flip, so it's possible scum rolecopped them.

[Titus]

Day 2 Count III

Radical Rat (

E-2

) - ActionDan, Doctor Drew, SirCakez, biancospino, Maestro
Theta Alpine (3) - Titus, Flavor Leaf, Radical Rat
Aureal (1) - Gamma Emerald
ActionDan (1) - Aureal

Not Voting

- Theta Alpine, Roden, Thomith

I think there’s scum on Rat here.

That fits my theory. I'm down for Cakez.

[Titus]

Hmm. Maybe it might be better today, and then mass claim tomorrow.

If we do a massclaim, it cannot include real names. Otherwise addicts and group scum can find each other.

[Titus]

Thing is, assuming scum have some way of finding out Real Names, maybe a Real Name cop, they could have used Night 1.

It’s likely they would aim for someone to be converted.

That being said, Drew made it so AD couldn’t be converted Night 2, which helps AD’s chances.

That being said, if I were scum here, and had a Real Name Cop, i think AD is one of the obvious choices to try and convert. So i feel scum are 100% likely to play around AD, who is universally town read by all but like Aureal.

Maybe that’s a big assumption, but scum have to have some type of way to get names, right?

If I was scum, I would just convert in my results at first.

[Titus]

Two of Emerson, Blair and Nova can be trusted.

My names are Blair, Dakota and Nova

I'm going to suppose that Emerson is an addict here and Blair and Nova are still good.

However, if Emerson is good then one of the other two names is likely starting evil.

[Titus]

that

hmm
two of those are the same names as the previous list
just emerson who was deas got replaced with dakota

not sure if we can get any extra information from the fact that happened or not

Oh DV was Emerson, scratch that. I still feel it's likely an original scum was in the list.

[Titus]

I think Titus and Cakez are probably converted, we can probably measure conversion levels by sudden drops of activity/interest in this game

This seems like a poor take, especially calling out two people who is always kinda low activity(Cakez) and another who has been low activity in general(Titus)

Titus only popped in to give names today even though she had plenty more to say before and after when giving results yesterday

Cakez is vote hopping and not really expanding on his thoughts

Do you think this is consistent behavior?

I popped into give names because it was urgent. I knew I'd catch up later.

[Titus]

I pretty specifically mentioned interest as well, not just activity, and followed up my statement by saying that I don't think Titus' behavior today matches her behavior yesterday

I don't know why Drew is honed in on the word "activity" when I said much more than just that, since I feel like I made it pretty clear that activity alone does not make up the entire basis of my reads on Titus and Cakez

I had a trial Thursday and Friday of last week. I am due out of my old apartment Tuesday, which means cleaning it today. Then I also have work I'm behind on because of moving.

I'll get caught up but probably by Wednesday or Thursday.

[Titus]

Titus if converted is in anti-spew mode, and Cakez is tossing votes around with minimum reasoning.

Why hasn't Theta been in your pool when (as of this point in my read) they have zero memorable posts?

[Titus]

VOTE: Cakez

Reasons
1) Cakez feels scummy
2) His claim to be on the list was out of nowhere
3) If wrong, we confirm a real name that isn't group scum.
4) There seems to be a lot of resistance to Cakez without defending the play.

[Titus]

3 should be if right

[Titus]

What's his claim?

Just being on the list. No other claim. I tried to find exactly where his claim was but couldn't find it.

[Titus]

VOTE: Cakez

Reasons
1) Cakez feels scummy
2) His claim to be on the list was out of nowhere
3) If wrong, we confirm a real name that isn't group scum.
4) There seems to be a lot of resistance to Cakez without defending the play.

I believe it was Maestro who claimed Cakez's name.

No idea what you're getting at with 3.

What do you mean by resistance? You said you haven't read day three yet.

My posts this real life morning were as I caught up.

If Cakez is on my lists, then either him or the other name must be good.

If Cakez is evil, then the other name must be good.

[Titus]

Well at a minimum not starting scum which is good for now

[Titus]

VOTE: Cakez

Reasons
1) Cakez feels scummy
2) His claim to be on the list was out of nowhere
3) If wrong, we confirm a real name that isn't group scum.
4) There seems to be a lot of resistance to Cakez without defending the play.

I believe it was Maestro who claimed Cakez's name.

No idea what you're getting at with 3.

What do you mean by resistance? You said you haven't read day three yet.

My posts this real life morning were as I caught up.

If Cakez is on my lists, then either him or the other name must be good.

If Cakez is evil, then the other name must be good.

And again to clarify, 2 of the names are town.....one name is not town?

At least 2 are town, at the time of me receiving the names.

[Titus]

two that investigate as town and one random

Right so if SirCakez is evil, then scum will do everything in their power to save him.

[Titus]

Like, it's really freaking weird to vote someone just because their name was randomly mentioned.

That is a weird defense of Aureal

And this is an even weirder comment, there's no defense being made here. You vote me at random then accuse Leaf of defending me by mentioning my name? What is up with you, Drew? Did you get converted?

Aureal, if you're town, join me on Cakez.

[Titus]

Drew do you believe Cakez is town?

[Titus]

Drew do you believe Cakez is town?

Well let me ask you a question, the names you received last night would be before or after a conversion.

I actually don't know the NAR with all that

After and DV comes as town bc mod said so

[Titus]

Like, it's really freaking weird to vote someone just because their name was randomly mentioned.

That is a weird defense of Aureal

And this is an even weirder comment, there's no defense being made here. You vote me at random then accuse Leaf of defending me by mentioning my name? What is up with you, Drew? Did you get converted?

Aureal, if you're town, join me on Cakez.

Probably where I'll end up, I'm seeing this day going the direction of us being competing wagons.

How do you feel about that?

[Titus]

Cakez was my n2 target btw.

This means zilch to me as I'm thinking Cakez is very likely original scum.

[Titus]

It’s different because a normal doctor would see a night kill, which could help them lean “oh i didn’t protect” but a no kill would have doc believe they did protect.

There’s nothing here for him to be able to know either way. I do think it helps because the others could have only been targeted on specific nights, but i don’t think it’s impossible that they were.

Cakez was in the name list, and if scum IS one of Blair or Nova, they would know 100% the other one of them is a free conversion.

All the more reason to eliminate Cakez. If Cakez flips addict, then we get likely information. If Cakez flips original scum, we get information.

There is zero good reason not to flip Cakez.

[Titus]

Can someone give me a damn good reason why, 1)Cakez isn't wagoned, 2) No one will talk about Cakez, 3) no one defends Cakez and 4) we get sidetracked with irrelevant drivel?

[Titus]

There are like three different angles going on here lol.

I just don't know who I trust more out of Flavor and Titus.

Dan distrusts Flavor, but Flavor trusts Dan, and Flavor distrusts maestro......who trusts Dan

Titus distrusts Cakez, but Titus has no comment on the recent happenings apparently

Until someone answers my questions on Cakez,

I have no reason to care

. Since my bold post, I saw one substantive post about Cakez and this post which comes close.

Scum wouldn't want conversation about original scum. Cakez even fits VCA on scum, but I didn't comment there because I know people hate VCA.

If no one.comments on my posts, why should I comment on their noise?

[Titus]

The one "substantive post" is only substantive because

it's a vote

.

[Titus]

Two of Emerson, Blair and Nova can be trusted.

My names are Blair, Dakota and Nova

just from math here, correct me if I'm wrong, once we know Emerson was 1 of the T in list 1, you may want to flip Cakez for info but A) we'll just lost % points on the certainty of your info tmrw if I'm not wrong, correct? because your names seem to continue being the same if those people stay alive... so basically we're actually better leaving Cakez alive as long as possible, bc if at any point somebody previously on your list drops off

but doesn't die/get elimmed

it's as good as a hard-guilty without losing a playerslot right away? then we lim them the following Day, no?

If a name drops off, we can speculate that they were converted but it's not a hard guilty.

I don't believe the mod put 3 town in the first list. Thus Cakez likelihood of being town drops to 50% which is lower than average.

[Titus]

Who exactly is FG?

[Titus]

I could compromise on Aureal but prefer Theta if we aren't doing the smart plea.

[Titus]

*plea = play.

[Titus]

FG = Friendship Group, the PT of me/cakez/Maestro/Drew (and Nk15)

This makes me want to kill Cakez more as that many names is bound to have a scum.

[Titus]

I think FL is town. Scum don't want FL in the game due his continuing information.

I think Maestro Cakez Theta Aureal contains most if not all the scumteam to this point

[Titus]

I think FL is town. Scum don't want FL in the game due his continuing information.

I think Maestro Cakez Theta Aureal contains most if not all the scumteam to this point

Maybe Titus is still town after all

Of course I am.

[Titus]

@FL, I am willing to vote Hu Tao based off that but how are you getting the center is Dan?

[Titus]

Also FL, why didn't you come out with the info on Gamma yesterday?

[Titus]

Okay I will claim. I am a form of a cop, but i lose my cop ability when im visiited. I was visited already and lost it. Only result I have is N1 and I have roden is town.

......this sounds oddly like my ability except the visit stop is implied

[Titus]

Maestro/Dan/Thomith/Titus seems like a possible solve

Do you think Cakez is town?

it's possible, im lean town based on my Maestro scum read. I also think them being on titus list just makes them more likely to be town.

Is being on Titus's list actually a good thing if you think she could be scum?

Well, i think it’s more likely that the list is all town if she started as town. I didn’t think that the ability was

You get town-town-town 50% of the time or you get town-town-scum 50% of the time.

Aureal and I were talking about this earlier, I think.

I thought it was like:

2 town always. 3 slot anyone can show up. Which isn’t 50% exactly.

The fact she gave us the exact same names +Dakota is ridiculous imo. I feel that’s a big sign of conversion.

And she started pushing in Maestro’s direction

I think my original list had a scum precisely because of the recycled names. It makes very good sense to give a scum name in the original three. If Maestro is scum like you suggest, Maestro pushing Cakez as town and on the list spontaneously is a major red flag you ought to be seeing. When DV is confirmed as town, that's now a realistic 50/50 on Cakez being scum. That's lower than random, despite Maestro arguing otherwise.

It also begs the question about why Maestro knows Cakez name and they are both fine with outing.

[Titus]

VOTE: Maestro

I see no reason for Maestro knowing Cakez name. I'd rather go here if not Cakez.

[Titus]

I'm not too worried about cult getting too many more members as the game would be broken with more than five

[Titus]

AD, why aren't you voting Maestro if you think FL is right? Do you think I am right? Why or why not?

[Titus]

My post doesn't really require reading up, as it is logical deductions. If you need it though, take time ig.

[Titus]

So is day over?

[Titus]

My vote will not change. Social engagement this evening

[Titus]

I did not have a good night's sleep.

If you visited me, speak up.

[Titus]

I did not have a good night's sleep.

If you visited me, speak up.

What's the wording of your role PM for getting a good nights sleep?
I'm wondering if the dance night may have caused this.

Pretty much that. It's vague af.

[Titus]

Could be. Doesn't sound permanent though.

[Titus]

VOTE: Cakez

[Titus]

Like I can go Dan because it's a circumstantial case and we don't play with proof beyond a reasonable doubt but I don't know how to get through it's Cakez.

[Titus]

If Cakez scum I still believe he can only be converted scum (quite unlikely). Otherwise Nk15's role just blows everyone else's out of the water being able to have a 50% hit ratio from the get go.

Explain this.

[Titus]

Two of Emerson, Blair and Nova can be trusted.

My names are Blair, Dakota and Nova

I'm going to suppose that Emerson is an addict here and Blair and Nova are still good.

However, if Emerson is good then one of the other two names is likely starting evil.

Garnet - ActionDan
Blair - Cakez
Dakota - Drew

So at least one of Cakez or Drew started the game as town and was town the day after.

If only one of Dakota was evil at the time of my names, then both Cakez and Drew must have been good at that time.

[Titus]

Can someone tell me all the names in the FG? I want to see if Dan slipped.

[Titus]

If Cakez scum I still believe he can only be converted scum (quite unlikely). Otherwise Nk15's role just blows everyone else's out of the water being able to have a 50% hit ratio from the get go.

Explain this.

Maestro was a NK15 guilty as he could communicate outside FG (I asked mod confirmed this to me). Presumably non-traitor cult have a PT which would also be a guilty for NK15. so NK15 is stronger than every other role by a huge margin if 2 scum started in FG. So I doubt this. A lot.

The opposite actually. NK15 gets 2 names that would be actual guilties that would be altered by at least RR's ability. If RR targets someone, it would fuck things up. NK would have a 2/5 guilty with hiding, which is the same pool approximately as my names. He would get implied clears at best that could be converted at any time.

Spoiler: NK's role

During the night, you may choose to check if another friend is hanging out with any strangers, learning if they are capable of private communication with an acquaintance outside the Friendship Group.

Spoiler: RR's role

During the night, you may choose to seduce another acquaintance, inviting them to a rendezvous point shared by only the two of you, where you may converse with each other at all times.
You will gain a new rendezvous point for every acquaintance you seduce.
All actions that target you will instead be passively deflected onto the latest acquaintance seduced by you.

RR seduced DV though.

[Titus]

I'll just confirm something. Is there anyway your logic fails? E.g. if Maestro was starting scum, then NK15

always

had a 50/50 chance of hitting scum.

[Titus]

Why is there only one real mention of Cakez in your ISO, Dan?

[Titus]

I'm thinking Cakez starting Dan converted atm

[Titus]

Well before recently

[Titus]

Flavor, can you vote Cakez with me and we do Dan tomorrow?

[Titus]

Dan, who is worth a fade?

[Titus]

Why is someone you think is scum not worth the fade?

I want group scum. If FL is a miller that lends credence to Hu's role. So I don't think they started as scum. I think their play has been pretty representative as a recruit thus far too.

It leads power to mine as well. Flavor should NEVER appear in my list. If Flavor is a miller, then he registers as evil. If he's lying, he registers as evil. Therefore, if he appeared on my list, the other two names are confirmed good.

It makes sense to have a miller in a game with a confirmed false inno (DV).

[Titus]

I did not have a good night's sleep.

If you visited me, speak up.

What's the wording of your role PM for getting a good nights sleep?
I'm wondering if the dance night may have caused this.

Pretty much that. It's vague af.

If it's vague, and doesn't outright say anything about being visited is what causes a bad night's sleep, I think it's very possible the dance night is what caused you to not get a result.

Indeed. I think we just fade Cakez here and see what it does for my ability.

[Titus]

If Cakez is group scum, who's his buddy?

Dan or one of the million people not posting.

If you think Cakez is evil (even if converted) Cakez is a good fade here.

[Titus]

Ugh if scum can convert every night, we have to entirely come together if town. I doubt that's the case in a large giving only two misfades though.

If I'm a guessing girl, the conversion is the unstoppable action for balance.

[Titus]

Dan, you feel like a school student gluing things to see what sticks.

[Titus]

if maestro is og traitor then i think that makes the rest of the fg a lot more likely town
if maestro was convert then that probably doesn't tell us much

I feel like a traitor and a scum in the same hood makes a fair bit of sense?
Granted because Maestro was a messenger I could see that not being the case though.

In terms of the context of a 5-man hood, sure. But in the context of this game, with these roles, and cumulative knowledge, no. That this is not intuitive to most of the players right now is scary.

There may not be positive definitive airtight bow-tied mod confirmed evidence. But there certainly is a staggering heap of information leading to the conclusion there isn't group scum in FG.

1) conversions due to an FG member circumvent risk and render FG roles impotent (save mine)

2) Nk15's role becomes overly strong and effective.

3) The scum ability claimed by FL becomes redundant

4) Maestro's ability to msg scum does not serve to give out our names, merely to inform them he's the traitor.

5) FG's role pool is synergistic. The one role that didnt make much sense, Maestro's, was scum

1) Huh?

2) As discussed no.

3) huh?

4) That's purpose enough. Bonus he can give input.

5) Scum should have good fakes...

[Titus]

What's nagging me is that the FG has flipped scum, they exchanged names yet they are still of the same position as yesterday...

[Titus]

Dan, did you copy the paragraph on me being scum from boilerplates are us? I don't mind them pronouns as a generic thing (if you don't know my gender) but you know me much better than that. Yet, I'm referred to with "their" while Maestro is referred to by his gender. Not saying you should be reported in any sense but the language is telling.

On a less jokey note what

specific

conduct has "taken a nosedive" and how is it related to me being scum? Most people know that I'm weaker early and stronger later,

regardless of my alignment

so I'm not letting you hide behind bullshit copy/pastas (did I meme right?).

[Titus]

Can I borrow you until the savior comes back? His word says that Caketh is the scumzors.

[Titus]

Chapter 4 Verses 2395 and 2426.

I've been convinced that Cakez is just a convert for awhile now, but I get this nagging feeling that maybe he's been trying to perform as one

Maestro attempting to delay Cakez's elim also implies that he's group scum here

It's either Cakez or Dan today

I think Leaf is right that scum is waiting to see what we do though

[Titus]

Flavor, notice where Dan's not putting it...Cakez. if Dan was groupscum and Cakez was a traitor or town, Dan would have no problem sheeping me.

If Dan is evil, then Cakez is definitely group scum.

Dan could be good and Maestro tanking the lim buys time away from Cakez. It's a weaker circumstantial case (and doesn't require Dan to be good, only not groupscum).

[Titus]

i have a coffee and it is drunk

so i could in fact watch two people tonight

Let me ask if I visit for purposes of watchers

[Titus]

Can I just get a full list of outed names? I'll admit I haven't been watching as well as I should have.

[Titus]

Real Name	Flipped or Announced Identity
Arden	Maestro
Blair	Cakez
Cameron
Dakota	Drew
Emerson	DeasVail
Finley
Garnet	Dan
Harlow
Ira	Not Known 15
Juniper
Kiernan
Lennox
Merritt	Radical Rat
Nova
Oakley

Where are Hu Tao and Roden?

[Titus]

Real Name	Flipped or Announced Identity	Listed in my Feeback
Arden	Maestro
Blair	Cakez	named d2, d3
Cameron
Dakota	Drew	Named d3
Emerson	DeasVail	named d2
Finley	Hu Tao
Garnet	Dan
Harlow
Ira	Not Known 15
Juniper
Kiernan
Lennox	Roden
Merritt	Radical Rat
Nova		Named D2, D3
Oakley

[Titus]

@Flavor, I am debating whether it's a good idea to ask Nova to out/out as Nova. If Cakez flips group scum, we know by extension Nova cannot be group scum.

[Titus]

I should not be seen by a watcher.

[Titus]

FL it would be cool if you could talk to me and not just compromise on me again

Yeah.

VOTE: Dan

I’m gonna sit here at the very least.

I do not really have a strong read on you either way, and my read on you is based on my read on Dan, and how everything seemed to group around them, which got confirmed when Maestro fell on the sword to die instead of Dan.

Ffs.

This is why we can't have shiny things.

Dan's likely a convert.

Maestro protected Cakez well before any Dan nonsense.

Dan's just a second shield for Cakez.

[Titus]

FL it would be cool if you could talk to me and not just compromise on me again

Yeah.

VOTE: Dan

I’m gonna sit here at the very least.

I do not really have a strong read on you either way, and my read on you is based on my read on Dan, and how everything seemed to group around them, which got confirmed when Maestro fell on the sword to die instead of Dan.

Ffs.

This is why we can't have shiny things.

Dan's likely a convert.

Maestro protected Cakez well before any Dan nonsense.

Dan's just a second shield for Cakez.

I think Dan is the group scum......How did Mae protect Cakez?

Maestro

revealed

Cakez was on my list as a reason not to lim him.

Are we reading the same game?

[Titus]

Two of Emerson, Blair and Nova can be trusted.

My names are Blair, Dakota and Nova

just from math here, correct me if I'm wrong, once we know Emerson was 1 of the T in list 1, you may want to flip Cakez for info but A) we'll just lost % points on the certainty of your info tmrw if I'm not wrong, correct? because your names seem to continue being the same if those people stay alive... so basically we're actually better leaving Cakez alive as long as possible, bc if at any point somebody previously on your list drops off

but doesn't die/get elimmed

it's as good as a hard-guilty without losing a playerslot right away? then we lim them the following Day, no?

This is a very strong representative of my point

[Titus]

His defense of Cakez though is pretty fucking bad and we're chasing Dan because of vague shading and Maestro wanting another shield?

Like I don't even like Dan but there's not a single fucking reason to TR Cakez.

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse that everyone else says is alive.

[Titus]

Roden, you aren't voting Cakez.

[Titus]

Hu Tao could be converted and wanting to undo the inno on Roden.

[Titus]

I don't believe Dan is scum here.

I think it's Cakez and Aureal.

[Titus]

I'm extremely annoyed at this game. I have prepared a mountain of evidence, both social and mechanical only to be told no without any real reason by certain slots. If we don't fade Cakez today, I don't frankly see a point where we ever will.

[Titus]

Like I don't think Dan goes after me while leaving the reasons for later as group scum as I am by far the biggest proponent of his counterwagon unless Cakez is also groupscum and that makes little sense with my info. Dan could be convert looking to save them both, but I am not interested in a convert today.

[Titus]

I'm extremely annoyed at this game. I have prepared a mountain of evidence, both social and mechanical only to be told no without any real reason by certain slots. If we don't fade Cakez today, I don't frankly see a point where we ever will.

lol this is such a load of bs
What social argument have you offered for me being scum? Absolutely none. The only thing you've argued is that your role gives me a 50/50 of being scum, so like if you're gonna push me like this constantly just say that

Maestro's defense of you, hard and consistent fmpov.

[Titus]

If you're "dead as fuck" why aren't you attempting to solve? Giving me a reason to townread you.

@Aureal, I don't think that's a correct analysis.

[Titus]

Meh Hu Tao is better than Dan but still worse than Cakez.

[Titus]

Can we stop the nonsense of trying to solve every slot when Cakez is just obvious here? We just need to hit the two scums.

[Titus]

This game stagnated after Maestro fade means scum are 100% hoping town just end up on the wrong spot, so i think it’s indicative of us being right somewhere every time.

Agreed. It's Cakez.

[Titus]

idk if it scum can for sure say they know they have won here, so probs just twilight.

I dont see JV replacing in and immediately thinking that either.

If scum were close to winning/won here, a Cakez lim would be easier. Cakez is just scum.

[Titus]

If we lost here, I am writing this game off as impossible.

[Titus]

Garnet, Kiernan, and Juniper

[Titus]

If we think this is elo, should we mass claim names?

[Titus]

Gogogo VOTE: ActionDan

Dan is like 90% confirmed to not be group scum

Why?

[Titus]

Real Name	Flipped or Announced Identity	Listed in my Feeback
Arden	Maestro
Blair	Cakez	named d2, d3
Cameron
Dakota	Drew	Named d3
Emerson	DeasVail	named d2
Finley	Hu Tao
Garnet	Dan	d5 result
Harlow
Ira	Not Known 15
Juniper		d5 results
Kiernan		d5 result
Lennox	Roden
Merritt	Radical Rat
Nova		Named D2, D3
Oakley

[Titus]

I'm checking 100% on something, but yes.

Realistically I'm close to narrowed down anyhow.

[Titus]

It's "at least 2 out of 3 are town".

Can be trusted, not are town

[Titus]

I'm verifying per Cakez flip, if his role counts as someone who can be trusted.

[Titus]

Quite a useless role if scum count as trustworthy

We have to get through another night still guys, why the heck would we claim names?

See Cakez flip. It wouldn't be all scum.

[Titus]

Quite a useless role if scum count as trustworthy

We have to get through another night still guys, why the heck would we claim names?

If we're at elo, we should. Do you disagree with the belief we are in elo?

[Titus]

Aren't you the least bit curious as to who can be trusted along side if Dan flips evil?

Do you not think that info is valuable?

If Dan is scum, then the other two names would be town.

[Titus]

Cakez would come back clear.

[Titus]

Spoiler: Aureal in this game

is this AI though?

VOTE: Aureal

[Titus]

Theta, what's your name?

[Titus]

Flavor, there's not a world where I buy Aureal as town here.

[Titus]

Hitting converted is fine, but it basically sends us to the next day phase in the same position, but with a new convert, so I really want to hit group scum today.

Can you recap all your info?

[Titus]

Let's have you and Drew vote me then. I'd like to hammer test it for a day. I'll allow that. If we lose from that I promise not to blame you.

Can you stop fucking around?

[Titus]

Real Name	Flipped or Announced Identity	Listed in my Feeback
Arden	Maestro
Blair	Cakez	named d2, d3
Cameron
Dakota	Drew	Named d3
Emerson	DeasVail	named d2
Finley	Hu Tao
Garnet	Dan	d5 result
Harlow
Ira	Not Known 15
Juniper	Theta	d5 results
Kiernan		d5 result
Lennox	Roden
Merritt	Radical Rat
Nova	JacksonVirgo	Named D2, D3
Oakley

I strongly suspect Kiernan is evil. Why wouldn't they come out at this point? It can't be !goodFL because FL would confirm the other two as town.

[Titus]

All we have left to claim is Hu, Thom, FL and myself.

[Titus]

@Titus, Spoiler alert: I don't think those votes will lose the game.

I'm working at the moment. I'll have more later. I was able to read D1 and Cakez here and in FG and from that I was able to determine you were town, and I'd like to believe that is the case up to last night and now too.

I'm partially but not completely surprised by the cult accusations after I vote Aureal.

[Titus]

Hitting converted is fine, but it basically sends us to the next day phase in the same position, but with a new convert, so I really want to hit group scum today.

It's actually not fine. If we're at 6-4 now, by getting cult we go 6-3, then 5-4 in the morning after a recruit. So tomorrow we get cult again and it's 5-3, then 4-4 the next morning. We need to end the game by flipping both groupscum back to back here so it doesn't get to that next morning.

I'm claiming to not be Kiernan.
I'd still like to keep some real names secret, but will claim if I do need to.

You don't, and and you didn't need to humor the Titus ramblings even that much.

Why not? Even with your math, outing real names doesn't hurt much.

You got caught putting your hand in the cookie jar.

[Titus]

Hitting converted is fine, but it basically sends us to the next day phase in the same position, but with a new convert, so I really want to hit group scum today.

It's actually not fine. If we're at 6-4 now, by getting cult we go 6-3, then 5-4 in the morning after a recruit. So tomorrow we get cult again and it's 5-3, then 4-4 the next morning. We need to end the game by flipping both groupscum back to back here so it doesn't get to that next morning.

I'm claiming to not be Kiernan.
I'd still like to keep some real names secret, but will claim if I do need to.

You don't, and and you didn't need to humor the Titus ramblings even that much.

Correct on the group scum comment.

What Titus ramblings are you talking about? I don't agree with the vote on you actually but not sure what else there is that is moonlogic today from her?

It's pretty much they're protecting Kieran. If you look at Cakez ISO, one of the first people he drfends is Aureal. I get run up D1. Who was I FoSing, Aureal.

[Titus]

I wonder if it’s apparent to anyone else that dr drew is role fishing even more than RR is

this post doesn't even make sense at all with what drew has posted
VOTE: deasvail

Drew might also be group scum.

[Titus]

Flavor, recap your info please.

[Titus]

Hitting converted is fine, but it basically sends us to the next day phase in the same position, but with a new convert, so I really want to hit group scum today.

It's actually not fine. If we're at 6-4 now, by getting cult we go 6-3, then 5-4 in the morning after a recruit. So tomorrow we get cult again and it's 5-3, then 4-4 the next morning. We need to end the game by flipping both groupscum back to back here so it doesn't get to that next morning.

I'm claiming to not be Kiernan.
I'd still like to keep some real names secret, but will claim if I do need to.

You don't, and and you didn't need to humor the Titus ramblings even that much.

Correct on the group scum comment.

What Titus ramblings are you talking about? I don't agree with the vote on you actually but not sure what else there is that is moonlogic today from her?

Basically everything, as usual? Including her most recent post where apparently Cakez is hard-defending me with throwaway question where he responds to Roden's joke about me by asking if it's ai. If you read the Cakez iso, actually the first person he defends is Drew, not me, and it was actually a serious conversation not a joke meme.

Can we seriously believe this from town Titus? Doesn't she like VCA or something? Where's her analysis of how Cakez basically vote-parked me day 3 and had to be talked out of going back the next day by pointing out how hard the traitor Maestro was going after me? In what world do two traitors spend their day trying to yeet their boss?

But nooooooo, CAKEZ TRIED TO DEFEND ME AGAINST A JOKE MEME so none of that matters, lol. Hell, you could even read that 'defense' as him looking for something about me to attack if you're intent on squeezing meaning from a meaningless post. Maybe even it was a signal to his boss Roden, asking if he should attack me over the joke meme!

This is a cult game. VCA means squat. Anyone with common sense knows that.

The closest thing to VCA is what I have done. Looking at who I was pushing D1 and looking at my list of names.

[Titus]

4 unclaimed are Titus, Thonith, FL, Aureal

Aureal is Kiernan then.

I think the rest of us should stay quiet with our names.

I have no idea why you would do this

I kinda figured you were. My names got us to evil yesterday and now you resisted.

[Titus]

Aureal, do the math supposing we hit town yesterday.

[Titus]

Day 1 Count III

Aureal (3) - Titus, Doctor Drew, Aureal
Radical Rat (2) - biancospino, KittyTacky
Titus (2) - Flavor Leaf, Not Known 15
KittyTacky (1) - Radical Rat
DXtreme (1) - Roden
DeasVail (1) - SirCakez

Not Voting

- DeasVail, Celebloki, Theta Alpine, KawaiiKame, DXtreme

Notes

• With 15 remaining, it takes 8 to form a majority.
  
• My mod ISO is here.
  
• DXtreme has confirmed.
  
• Celebloki is on V/LA.
  
• Please let me know if you have any queries or there are errors in my VCs.

Day 1

concludes in (expired on 2024-01-05 08:45:00)

This is the biggest flaw in my theory.

Drew might have been good d2 and d3.

[Titus]

Day 1 Final

Not Known 15 (

Hammered

) - Gamma Emerald, Theta Alpine, Radical Rat, Thomith, Doctor Drew, Aureal, Roden, DeasVail
DeasVail (2) - Titus, Not Known 15
Titus (2) - biancospino, SirCakez
Flavor Leaf (1) - Flavor Leaf
Radical Rat (1) - KittyTacky

Not Voting

- KawaiiKame

Notes

• With 15 remaining, it takes 8 to form a majority.
  
• My mod ISO is here.
  
• Thomith replaces DXtreme
  
• Gamma Emerald replaces Celebloki
  
• Please let me know if you have any queries or there are errors in my VCs.

Night 1

concludes in (expired on 2024-01-09 09:18:00)

I'm not seeing many evils here.

[Titus]

4 unclaimed are Titus, Thonith, FL, Aureal

Aureal is Kiernan then.

I think the rest of us should stay quiet with our names.

I have no idea why you would do this

I kinda figured you were. My names got us to evil yesterday and now you resisted.

Your names haven't done shit other than be a distraction and now get people to claim names for no damn reason

I guess maybe Leaf does want to get converted, narrowing down the pool he's in like this

My names made a damn solid case on Cakez who was evil from the start.

[Titus]

If we suppose FL Drew and Aureal are evil with Drew and FL being converts, that means one left.

[Titus]

I’m not convinced Cakez wasn’t a sacrifice to save group scum Dan. Or scum didn’t know it was Cakez and power voted to save Dan.

It’s already proven Maestro fell on the sword too.

I just think Occam’s is Dan group scum.

I think this is still possible but not likely given ISOs.

[Titus]

I also don’t believe maestro played some next level scum play with it to make us think Dan was scum

If you give me Dan today, will you vote Aureal tomorrow? I don't want to be stubborn again but I feel I must ram through every good lim.

[Titus]

Cakez got voted out because Drew suddenly switched to him for no apparent reason then Hu and Jackson followed, and from the way those two are acting I don't expect them to have any sort of analysis of your names.

Can we stop the nonsense of trying to solve every slot when Cakez is just obvious here? We just need to hit the two scums.

I do kinda think that it is best for the game state just to lim Cakez......I do trust Titus is coming from a town mindset here

VOTE: Cakez

I can't say why Hu and JV switched to Cakez, but my switch wasn't 'out of nowhere'

Do you feel Dan is an acceptable lim? Yes or no.

[Titus]

I haven't seen anyone push you in ages. You haven't cooperated with me at all. You were trying to save Cakez.

Either Drew or Dan is likely scum. I'm trying to sort which. If you're good, start cooperating. We need everyone.

[Titus]

Flavor, please type out your list of info day by day please. I hate repeating myself.

[Titus]

Flavor, why can't you and Drew be the groupscum?

[Titus]

Flavor, why can't you and Drew be the groupscum?

I mean from an outside pov, I think that’s fine. I know it’s not true, though, so having me answer that is weird

I feel like I’ve said multiple times this day phase that Drew or Dan have groupscum in them.

I even started pushing Drew/Aureal as a potential pairing.

I think Theta/Roden make me feel only one of them are scum, and that if Roden is scum then he is converted.

Unless Theta/Roden are both the group scum.

I have said multiple times this game I believe a group scum to be in the FG, and that they were converting within the FG.

I was proven correct.

I am leaning Dan over Drew, though right now

Roden group scum doesn't work with Hu's result.

Also if we are down to 1 miselim, traitors can do that.