Mini 1310: I Got My Eye On You Mafia (Game Over!)

Korlash · Post Post #66 (isolation #0) » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:35 am

Oh my God no, not Korlash... Everybody run...

Oh wait...

Um, ignore all that... >.>

So Hi. I'm currently in the phase of being depressed and non-jubilant but I assure you as soon as that passes (maybe in about an hour or so) I will crack open that file link and proceed to download the game... Then give up, cursing, and fall back into depression once I realize how inept I am at such tasks... then, mere moments later as I sit in my bathtub shoveling down spoonfuls of cookie dough ice cream with the shower running I'll remember that I'm Korlash and I'll just play the game anyways cause, fuck yeah, I'm Korlash... It's a viable reason, I assure you.

And now that I've sufficiently wasted a good portion of each of your lives I once again warn you to run away screaming.

inActionDan wrote:Dodging. I don't have the time I need. waiting for glorious Monday!

We're all waiting for Glorious Funday Monday sir... The jubilation and exuberant fanfare... A day when we shelve our goals and tediousness in favor of just simply dicking around... Sigh, happy days are soon to come...

So yeah... gimmie about an hour or so people...

Korlash · Post Post #69 (isolation #1) » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:29 pm

It's pronounced: Kor-lash... Say it with me... Core... Layisha... So, "Why you no post

Korlash

?" =D

V-something wrote:P.S. IceGuy is probably scum. With Rylai.

Hmmm... Clever use of logic sir, I cannot disagree with you... However, I like to make my own wild accusations before I let others talk me into things. So now that I'm in a slightly better mood, time to read up on all you lot's dirty skeletons in the toilet... or however that saying goes.

-edit-

V-Something wrote:That's a joke by the way Korlash

Everything about Korlash is a joke... And very little of it turns out to be funny I'm afraid.

Korlash · Post Post #70 (isolation #2) » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:26 pm

*yawn* I'm not really a fast reader when I replace into games, but I lose even more speed trying to read without avatars to use as guidance. I'm saddened to see my top scum pick without a current vote. Wonder what happens in the second half that changes things... Hmmm. *scratches chin* hmmm indeed...

Korlash · Post Post #71 (isolation #3) » Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:14 pm

*Even more yawn* Almost done. I'm thinking Kondi, V2v, and someone on his wagon... Maybe Glass or Rylai... Unelss something changes in the last couple of pages...

Can anyone give me a run down of 'current cases' for instance why people are voting Delta. Lastly, if there is any reason to think the above four are town let me know eh. Thanks...

Korlash · Post Post #73 (isolation #4) » Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:47 pm

Blah, ok so I saw Delta's claim.... Eh, I could go either way but I'd prefer leaving him be for the time being.

Kondi wrote:You're kidding, right?

... I never kid, you're incapable of understanding my bland sense of humor anyway so there isn't a point. At this point I'm most confident about V2V and you fall... oh... a few pegs lower. I'll leave the third alone for now since it won't do me any real good.

Vote: vijay2vasandani

I expect my views to change as I actually start playing. I'm not going to force myself to have to live by what I gathered from the restored pages. it's too much to ask really, that was after all another game. Still it's a starting place so unsarcastic wooooo!

Oh right... Damn my own rules... I guess I have to have some reasoning behind it.

Mostly I feel the push on Ice and the resulting wagon on DW were scum oriented means to reduce pressure on V2V's wagon. (hence why Kondi falls in as number 2) I don't put a lot of weight into his fake hammer since I've done gambit moves as both alignments before but I also don't like the extent of his explanation. it falls into the same trap that Delta's Claim did. i.e. he spread it out too far and thus created reasonable doubt as to his alignment.

For instance, if V2V's fake hammer was in fact a gambit, then his reasoning should have been crystal clear beforehand. Thus, when it (failed?) and he was forced to explain it, it should have gone something like "I did this for blank with intentions of blank." instead, he merely said "he saw it once" and then due to his lack of clarity met with ill fortune later. Doesn't actually feel like a planned 'gambit' and sounds more like a failed cover up. still, I'm not holding it to the highest of standards but I can't simply ignore it either.

Korlash · Post Post #75 (isolation #5) » Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:06 am

V-something wrote:Wait, so are you saying I thought I was actually hammering?

No, absolutely not. I simply don't feel the reasons you gave are genuine.

V-Something wrote:I saw the fakehammer in the other game, (which due to rollback has dissolved, and you'll be interested to know that the guy we all had as conftown was actually scum X.X) and decided to use it in this one but for a different reason. I don't know how I wasn't clear about my reasoning to you tbh.

Ok, now pretend I wasn't here for this fake hammer. *Straight face* Explain to me exactly what you expected from it. Also, expain to me exactly how it worked in this other game of yours. Player A fake hammered Player B... Who was confirmed town now? Why? Why did you assume the same strategy could be used to provide different results in this game?

Korlash · Post Post #78 (isolation #6) » Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:46 pm

Well that makes one out of the three of us actually playing I guess...

Let me ask you then Iceman, do you disagree that the attacks on you coincided rather nicely with the decrease of pressure on V2V? Do you think the attacks on you were both valid and justified? Do you have any reason to feel those that attacked you are possible scum? I'm too lazy to crack the pages back open and look for myself what your reaction was so I'll just ask.

And you guys want to know something sad? I play this way in all my games yet people still keep letting me replace into games... I know right, what is this site coming to letting random Korlashes run loose... *shakes head* If I had a nickle for every day of mine ruined by some stupid post of Korlash's...

Korlash · Post Post #81 (isolation #7) » Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:26 pm

Icedude wrote:I have no recollection what happened there, and I can't access the file on Mediafire.

'Man Korlash, you're argument is teh lame... but I have no rebuttal for it!' (Then I imagine you giving me some sort of gang sign and walking away...) *tear* (But =D for realsies) ((But *tear*(=D*)))

Guess I'll look it up then... Sigh... have to actually work and do stuff... What is this, Russia? *tear(=D*)*

P.S. It's 'Your argument' by the way... lolz... I amuse myself... (Totally &#$^ed that one up and just ran with it)

Korlash · Post Post #83 (isolation #8) » Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:34 pm

V-Chip? wrote:@ Korlash: let's not do the sympathy thing. Explain to me the scum intent you see from supposedly not explaining my reasons for the fake hammer.

... sympathy thing? I'm slow, you need to communicate on a lower level with me... Otherwise I are getting the confusedness....

The scum intent is that you did it for reason A, which is probably something scummy, so when you explain it you lie and tell us it was for Reason B in order to not give away the scummy reason. I'm not saying you 'didn't explain your reasons' I'm saying you explained it in such a way that I feel the reasons given are fake. i.e. no town would give (or need to give) fake reasons in that situation, thus you are scum.

Also, don't fall into this trap because I won't and we'll just waste a lot of time. You're reasons given for the fake hammer barely qualified as a reason I think you are scum, so let's not spend all day discussing just that alright. Talk to me about the more important attack timings at and around the time you were near death. That's the meat and potatoes of my argument here mate.

V-Eight? wrote:@ IceGuy and Glass: which part of his logic is crap?

Or, which part of my crap is illogical? huh? right...

V-Spot? O.o wrote:The fake hammer in the other game worked like this. A small 7p game modded by myko. Quilford placed two votes in his first post, somebody(Twistedspoon) placed another vote on Johhog. I placed the L-1 vote as pressure, and Haze accidentally hammers by voting Johhog and FoSing Zane instead of the wrong way around. All in the second page in like 9 RL hours. Our logic was that Johhog would have gone apeshit at being hammered randomly if he was scum. So he was conftown to us. It turns out Quil was not a doublevotee, he was just being funny in RVS so Johhog wasn't actually hammered.

... Ok, how did you expect it to work in this game? what parameters where you hoping to see from reactions?

On a side note, you do realize that no sane person 'goes apeshit' over a RVS wagon that includes a 'double voter' until some sort of mod confirmation right? That was a completely illogical rush to confirm him as town... I wish I could play a game with you as scum... I could have so much fun... *sigh*(But really =D) (Ok this joke is old now...)

Korlash · Post Post #84 (isolation #9) » Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:38 pm

ActionDan, News at 7! wrote:And yet you dare insult Korlash. I expected that demeaning and discrediting shit from Scum Glass, but it's really annoying coming from you. All the do-nothing one-liner lurkers can't all be scum, and yet you think you have the right to boo-hoo someone who is actually applying their brain to this thread. While this is magnanimous in itself, it's on the level of a godsend if you consider that Korlash is doing A+ work. He's 100% on with Kondi and as to his reasoning on V2V wagon I was having similiar thoughts except I was getting the feeling that Rylai's wagon was the V2V replacement. (Of course I now I don't think Vijay is scum anymore based on his response to me in the archived pages [pretty sure Malthusis asked me about how I changed my read on Vijay and this post applies])

I thought I might as well cheer this good fellow up, it was a little heartbreaking to see the self-dejection even if made in jest.

=D this made me giggle the whole time I was reading it.... The mafia community, bestest most awesome people on the internet. (well second... The Starcraft community beats us by a few points)

On a side note though, I really don't feel insulted by it. If I did, I would have had them change the title a looooooooong time ago.

Korlash · Post Post #89 (isolation #10) » Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:50 pm

Icicle wrote:The fact ActionDan immediately attacks me with extreme fervor when I attacked Korlash is ... interesting.

Ha ha ha... well people do love me, hard to imagine I know.

Icey touch wrote:I remember the v2v fakehammer (in enough detail I can reach conclusions about it), but not the attacks on me.

Funny... I mean, no disrespect, but normally attacks against one's self tend to be the easiest to at least remember the overall feel of it. Still... The site was down quite a bit so no worries there. Sadly I just got called into work for an emergency so I can't look anything up right now... *yawn* maybe later...

Korlash · Post Post #96 (isolation #11) » Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:47 am

iStark 4G wrote:Why do you think glass and Kondi are scum?

Well Glass is just one of the two that stood out to me on V2V's wagon. I feel it's likely one of the partners bussed him while the other pushed a wagon elsewhere and actually just picked the two names I recognized from my read through. (i.e. they stood out in some way or form.)

Kondi is scum because he pushed both of the 'attacks' I credit towards lessening the pressure on V2V...

V (The Letter) wrote:@ Korlash: just saying, I noticed the variations on my name. Just wanted you to know somebody appreciates them XD

Yeah, they make me smile. I usually spend the first half of any game trying to find cool nicknames for people because I'm too lazy to write the full name out and I tend to remember things clearer when i can associated them to names in my head. So coming up with a name gives me a personal connection to the person so I tend to remember more details.

V (The Series) wrote:Anyway, I was asking what would reason A be in that hypothetical situation you outlined? Also, you're asking me to explain those attacks which are the meat and potatoes of your argument? If I remember correctly I was playing very shoddily in this game because I had my mind on a lot of things. Idt I was the one engineering any of the cases. How am I supposed to say anything about them?

Now now, I'm not going to fall for that. I think you lied about your reason, I won't give you an out by letting you force a hypothetical argument about reasons I couldn't possibly know. *wags finger at you* tsk tsk tsk...

But because I'm stupid and can't back away from a good argument... Hmm, possible scum reasons for the hammer... To shake shit up instead of allowing it to progress through 'real' discussion on 'real' events. To protect whoever it was you hammered (I forget XD) due to 'possible' partnership. To earn your own 'town credit' as the kids are calling it these days through multiple possible means I won't bore you with. Just because you wanted to. (If you think about it... not a town reason) Should I go on? It's all pointless speculation.

Asking me "why" you may have done something is irrelevant to the fact that I think you lied about your reasons in the first place. The point is, i see ways I could have used a fake hammer for my own benefit as scum AND I feel your reasons lack credibility.

As far as saying things about the attack. I've laid down the statement that I feel those attacks were made in an effort to reduce pressure on your wagon. You would simply need to lay down your own observations and evidence that they weren't. How should you do this, I hear you not asking me.... Well... Sadly, that's for you to figure out. Do you have to do it? I guess not... but do you have enough faith that my 'case' won't take off enough to need a defense from you? Tricky situation you find yourself in...

V (The Number O.o) wrote:And I'll be honest, I sheeped that conftown reasoning. Like I said i was busy. Although now that I think about it, it was his scumbuddy who suggested it. THE BASTARD. I'm going to go yell at TS for a while. If I find him.

Tsk tsk tsk... I suppose good play to them then...

Korlash · Post Post #102 (isolation #12) » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:51 pm

That gives me an idea... >.> Hmmm...

Ok, so I have a bit of time off after tomorrow. I'll dig back into the cached pages for Iceman and a little more on V2V and hopefully get to look into this brilliant new idea I just had... What fun that shall be. Sadly, I've been up for... oh... too long so sleep time is now... ZzZz

Korlash · Post Post #104 (isolation #13) » Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:06 pm

Mod: Great and glorious sir of sirs, sires of sires, spires of spires... um... inspires of inspirerens?... In my half asleep state I seem to have developed double vision, seeing my name multiple times on the vote count. Oh great one, won't you please show me the error of my torpid ways?

You're not supposed to tell them that I gave you--uh, I mean, VC fixed. *aweseomface.jpg*

Korlash · Post Post #113 (isolation #14) » Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:52 pm

Ok rereading the cached pages as we speak.... I may be bringing some of those posts here so the lot of you can see them. (those who can't otherwise that is)

Spoiler: V2V's fake hammer

Throwing this up for reference. For starters I just want to make it clear that it was Rylai who initially put Kondi at 'L-1', regardless of what you feel about his fake hammer it certainly adds a new level knowing it was only possible due to another player's mishap.

Second: he fake hammered Kondi. <- Reason scum would do it = saving your partner's f'ing life. Either by making the pressure on him evaporate or using this to 'confirm' him as town.

Alright, following the fake hammer V2V begins taking some heat and Kondi disappears for nearly two pages. When he comes back he is entirely focused on Iceman (might be an unfair assertion since it was mostly just the two of them bickering back and forth.) He manages to keep the discussion mostly trained on Iceman with his only comment on the V2V wagon being:

Kondi wrote:I disapprove of the vijay lynch. Then again, he always looks town to me... Meh, still don't like the peeps on the wagon.

later:

V2V, at legitimate L-2 places a third vote on Rylai.

V2V wrote:Yeah no. You may have placed the second vote, but you're reasoning was both invalid and scummy. Then you try to hide that by taking credit of Otto's case which although wrong, I believe was without malicious intent.

VOTE: Rylai

Key to note, both Kondi and Glass avoid voting for Rylai, but both chastise others who do the same. Glass wags a finger at Mist for unvoting Rylai:

Glass wrote:What is this? First off you already unvoted, but since you must have forgotten you felt the need to unvote rylai because he had 3 votes? Not to mention its not "so fast" considering the last person to vote for him (you) was on page 7

With a followup pointing out she 'didn't revote after unvoting', And Kondi attacks Otto for his opinions of Rylai (town) and V2V (scum):

Kondi wrote:^Your comparison of Vijay and Rylai there is complete crap. What was scummy about Vijay's fakehammer in your opinion?

Follow up by Glass:

Glass wrote:You are missing the actual scummy move made by rylai, otto. It isn't the fact that he miscounted, but the fact that he apparently didn't know what was going on and yet was willing to put kondi at L-1

Both clearly like the idea of more votes on Rylai... Neither actually vote... It's because your partner was on the wagon, right fellas?

DW's miller claim, awesome just what I was looking for... *skipping that for now*

Oh wow, look at this beauty...

Glass, in response to Rylai wrote:God. Another scummy person. So you don't want to lynch someone who you think is lying about being miller because...
...
Need to look over malth+rylai again.

What? Why is Rylai being scum news to you? why do you have to 'look over him' again. You had just spent a lot of time campaigning for votes on him... Unless that was some fabrication brought on through need... You know, like your partner was in danger...

Ok ok, now that that is done with I can start my real intentions here...

Hmmm... Oh... hmmm... Interesting...

Is it just me who actually read the thread? It seems like everyone missed an important piece of information... Well... mostly Iceman... But also everyone...

So here's the skinny of the situation. I believe DW's miller claim, mostly due to the fact he actually claimed it fairly properly when you look at it so if it is a fakeclaim, props for thinking ahead good sir. I believe all three (V2V, Kondi, and Glass) acted in the way I would expect them to as scum. Kondi jumping on DW to put pressure quickly anywhere aside from his partners and the other two avoiding it. However, my hypothesis ran into trouble with the 'town' side of things. There is a catch with DW's claim and unfortunately that skews my results too much to actually use as evidence... poo... Still, my scum trio looks like a definite winner after this read up and I'm happy as a clam for it.

For what it's worth, I'd lynch DW today if it came to it. I'll always adhere to the better safe than sorry plan especially with the drama involved in his claim, but I'd prefer a V2V lynch, or hell even a Kondi lynch. And just because I like ending on a what the f-cannon style note... Iceman is obviously town (unless DW is scum that is...) so why is V2V voting him? Seriously?

Let's lynch this motha, then go steal something!

Korlash · Post Post #114 (isolation #15) » Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:56 pm

V viC wrote:@ Korlash: that's the difference. I can't think of any reason scum would do it. Then I realised you don't know my alignment. If you think I was lying about my reasons I guess you're entitled to those opinions. Regarding the attacks that supposedly relieved pressure from my wagon could you explain which ones are you talking about? I can't download the file on my phone so I'm going to do it off memory.

I think I more or less covered all this. I would like to have gone into more detail over the 'attacks that supposedly relieved pressure from your wagon' but having just reread it... I can't. I literally said all i can say. They're there, but they aren't like "totally a lot here to talk about here people"...

iStark wrote:@Korlash, 4G? >.<

Yeah, you're like Apple's version of Ironman's secret identity... iStark...

Korlash · Post Post #115 (isolation #16) » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:08 pm

DW wrote:I'll turn up as a mafia goon if I get investigated. That's the important part.

For everyone's sake (and to hopefully move past you and onto real scum) could you do us the honor of redoing your paraphrasing of your role please.

Korlash · Post Post #123 (isolation #17) » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:38 am

iPotatoe wrote:@People rooting for Glass, kondi and v2v scum team; I've to ask: Is lucky genius to figure out this scum team more then 1month ago? even if it was OMGUS it's quite a achievement.

Naw, if you read the first page it is fairly obvious the three of them look like partners. I don't usually bank on partners being as blatant about it all game long as they have, so I more than expect at least one of them to flip town. But overall, there is too much 'coincidence' between them and at least one, if not more, is scum for sure. Would it be awesome if all three were scum? hell yeah, I'm just not that... lucky... ha ha ha... didn't even plan that.

Delta wrote:The mafia is trying to take over my little town. I have the power to vote. Even though I mean well, law enforcement officials do not trust me and investigations will therefore return a result of mafia goon.

I'm very suspicious of this "better safe than sorry" theory. That's ridiculous and you've gained scumpoints for advancing it. It's terrible to waste a D1 lynch on a miller. No information will be gained from that. If someone wants to vig me, then do so if you must but it's ridiculous to blow D1 on the easy out miller claim.

*Shakes head* Delta... Delta... Uniden... *puts head in hands*

Well sadly, since you $^#%ed up your claim here (or more specifically didn't post the exact thing I was looking for) I can no longer argue against your lynch. So in the event people actually push it, you're on your own mate. The best thing would be for you to just vote V2V and help me push that one instead... wait...

Mod: Where is Delta on the VC? He seems to have gone AWOL, the little bugger.

Now, with that in mind... Don't be getting indignant on me here mate. Lynching you at this time would be more acceptable than Policy lynches, VI lynches, troll lynches... All of those fall within acceptable parameters for day 1 lynches and lynching someone who has given a 'likely fake claim' is always a good lynch. Regardless of day, time, person, claim, etc. Always a good lynch. Is it always the 'best' lynch? No. Is it the best in this situation? No. But it is not 'ridiculous' in any form.

Lynching you isn't about 'gaining information' it's about preserving the game as a whole. If you survive information will be lost due to people's focus being on you, power role info will be lost due to wasting it sorting you out, time will be lost due to dealing with you. Lynching you is an investment, we don't gain a lot of noticeable information from it immediately but we gain a better game and thus more information throughout because of it. It's the exact same thinking of a policy lynch or lynching a village idiot; with the small inclusion that unlike those two lynches, lynching a person with a likely fake claim has a high chance of actually lynching scum.

Argue against your lynch all you want mate, but don't be this wrong about it. If there are people pushing your lynch, not correctly claiming just now and this shit you just pulled isn't going to help your case. Don't bring my V2V case down with your ridiculous antics man, cause I won't have it. *stern look*

Korlash · Post Post #124 (isolation #18) » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:43 am

Lucky wrote:I was just about to point that out as well. Its weird that other are no following suit with my original predictions. Maybe not so with Korlash since he wasnt there at the beginning but more towards Actiondan who says any of those 3 are good lynches after Korlash did, but didnt try to make cases out of them as to why they are mafia. Unless his opinion was completely changed by Krolash's post.

I haven't looked at you a lot through these rereads, so answer me this... If you predicted this so long ago, why is it that I had to come in here and revive it? They've managed to have links between them all game, yet the only known reference of the scum trio is back on page 3?

I'm all for early predictions mate, but you still have a duty to follow up on them. Otherwise, it was no more than a lucky guess... ha... I did it again... You're a fun guy. =D

Korlash · Post Post #125 (isolation #19) » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:51 am

Lucky wrote:I am in the process of creating a list of my thoughts so far.

Where are we on this, BTW? Any ETA on the FYI or is it still TBD so we can AFK until EOD for a BBQ and some R&R until we are ETR for some Q&A?

Shit, I can keep this up all day long...

Korlash · Post Post #130 (isolation #20) » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:08 am

DW wrote:Care to explain what part about this claim is fucked up? Or are you just going to point the finger at me because I pointed the finger at you?

I never pointed the finger at you mate which only makes all these lashes at me so pointless. The fact remains your claim in the old thread contains more than your claim in this one does, and that's your fault not mine. Unfortunately, I'm not willing to reveal anything now since you have sowed seeds of doubt in your claim so you'll have to figure out what it was yourself. I will say it was a key timing piece that made your claim being fake a hell of a lot less likely PLUS accounted for Iceman's reaction to your claim. As you can see, it was a very very important part of your claim and so not including it this time bums me out... I'm a sad Korlash indeed...

But hey, if you feel your time is better spent lashing out at the one guy who has continuously said your claim is likely real... fine... I don't care about you so I couldn't care less if you resolve yourself to the gallows. But I'll be over here actively contributing to the game while you whine.

Lucky wrote:ActionDan was missing in action (see Korlash I can do the same)

Lolz... (mine are better

)

Korlash · Post Post #134 (isolation #21) » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:11 pm

Lopsy wrote:This is ridiculous.
First of all: "...power role info will be lost due to wasting it sorting you out..." No, Delta claimed miller.

Second of all, Korlash says lynching Delta isn't about gaining information (which is correct - it gains the least information out of all possible lynches), but later he says we gain more information throughout. [@Korlash: What am I missing? How does removing Delta create a "better game"?]

Finally, none of Korlash's post gives actual tangible reasons for why we should suspect DeltaWave's claim of being false. All of his post is saying, in essence, "well, this lynch is at least as legitimate as a policy lynch, so we should make this lynch."

Here's an argument for Delta's claim being real: he claimed in the very first post of the entire game and wasn't counterclaimed in a game which is likely to contain a miller by its very theme. He's town, dude.

Funny... I wrote that paragraph due entirely to Delta using that very same word... He doesn't actually read what I say either... You two make a fun pair to play with. :\

Before we start brow-beating each other, you do know I have been arguing AGAINST lynching Delta right? no? of course not, you would have had to actually read what I've been posting to know that... Ok, lets get started.

First off: Yeah. And what was delta's response? "If someone wants to vig me, then do so..." We waste a vig... on a townie... My point. that's one nothing.

Second off: Removing a questionable claim removes all the time the rest of us spend worrying about him. If five people have suspicions of player B, then a majority of the game will be spent with those people talking, voting, arguing with, and more or less wasting time with player B. Remove player B from the equation, and those five people can now spend all that time actually scum hunting. Case in point, how many people are voting Delta? Three. How many are wasting time discussing him and his lynch? two. That's five fucking people wasting time on someone most likely town. Now imagine this happening for the next two days. My point. Two-nothing.

Finally: I never said we should make this lynch. You've now lied and shown how inept you are in this argument. My point. Three nothing.
(For the record, I have merely present an argument towards Delta to show him that his lynch IS viable. I have not pushed it nor suggested we actually do it.)

Unfortunately, there are some people in this game that don't believe his claim. I attempted to put those doubt to rest and Delta let me down. I will continue to defend his claim with all my available resources so long as it remains valid, but at the end of the day if he proves to be too much of a distraction his lynch is still valid and credible.

My last word: You've assumed this set-up has a miller in it simply because it is themed around cops. Why? And why would a setup about cops, that contains a miller, make that role completely unique? Why not two? You've not only resorted to confirming a player based on your own assumption of the setup, but have now started condemning others who do not share your opinion. Stop it. My assertions about his claim have been grounded in hard evidence and facts based on his playing and actions. I have never stooped so low as to assume I knew shit about his role. If you're going to resort to calling me scum based on pure speculation, well... Just be glad I have no intention of turning it around on you because it wouldn't be hard.
(Again, for the record. I'VE BEEN SAYING HE IS TOWN... WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM, "DUDE"?) [Caps lock? Nope, real people hold the shift key <3]

Grow up and vote V2V so we can see actual progress. Don't waste my time with this meaningless discussion about a player we both think is town until you have something competent to say.

=D (Smiley face because I'm not actually the asshole I appear to be.)

Korlash · Post Post #135 (isolation #22) » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:19 pm

In post 133, Lopsy wrote:
Guess Who wrote:Unfortunately, I'm not willing to reveal anything now since you have sowed seeds of doubt in your claim so you'll have to figure out what it was yourself.
Wow. Also, I just realized I'm not voting for anybody right now.

Vote: Korlash

Oh oh.. Forgotted about this one...

I assume your point with this was that I'm not 'revealing' something and making him figure it out himself. Right? Have you considered 'why' I'm doing that? You know, aside from the fact I don't have his role PM and thus cannot actually defend him with anything he doesn't actually say?

Korlash · Post Post #137 (isolation #23) » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:32 pm

Did you finish that reread yet, or have anything else to say about it than the thing about Lucky calling the 'trio' so early?

Korlash · Post Post #141 (isolation #24) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:21 am

istark wrote:I gave it re-read to see where you were coming from and apparently I've no problem with what you're saying except, I don't believe that all three of them are scum, heck I highly doubt that there are two scums.
I was supporting V2V lynch before this DW thing and Ryligh w/e (I have hard time typing his/her name -.-) was one of my top three suspects.
This are the only three people I will support lynch for on D-1.

Well then, if you don't think all three as scum give me some reasons to think otherwise.

And, maybe I'm misunderstanding here... but you're not actually saying you support lynching Rylai simply because you can't type his name... O.o

Korlash · Post Post #143 (isolation #25) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:27 am

i<3Radio wrote:When Kondi proposed 1vs1 against Glass it clearly looked townie to me, it's not something scum would try specially since Kondi was policy lynch candidate for that period. ( This is why I personally believe both of them are towns aand I know this is why you think they are partner, guess we are just looking at it differently)

Why wouldn't scum who was set up to be policy lynched not throw out a 1v1 scenario with his partner? At the end of the day, that gives one of them super townie points. Give me one reason why any town WOULD go 1v1 on day one within the first... what was it, six pages? Hell, I think it was less than that. That's a stupid move by town.

And you say he was policy lynch candidate? So it was a move of desperation then? Yeah, totally a town move. :\

Now I'll admit, it's Kondi... so... I honestly expect crap like this from him regardless of his role. But to say it actually makes him town for it... no, not true.

iTablet of Rah wrote:Your point about glass diluting pressure on his ''supposed'' scum buddies is noted and I did read that entire thread for just that, but it's also true that he is probably only player who has done any active scum hunting, we had our disagreements but I'm not feeling good about putting him in that scum spot just yet, neither do I like the people who are doing it, seems like people are trying to remove him ( Well he is already out but you get the point).

What? He pushed for Rylai pressure while not actually joining the wagon himself. Then acted all surprised when Rylai did something "scummy" seemingly having forgotten all his earlier 'suspicions'. That is clearly fake scum hunting. It doesn't matter if he has done it or not if it's all pretend mate, scum motivation there.

iphone? Haven't used this one yet XD wrote:He is definitely not someone I'm willing to lynch on D1 and probably lose important ''contributing'' townie just because he tried to put pressure on multiple players.
I think this has been mentioned before but Kondi is playing his town meta maybe I'm wrong but I'm not willing to put him down as scum this early either.

Glass is gone mate, you can't legitimately use this as a reason to keep him around any more.
And Kondi is 'playing' to his meta. Alignment doesn't factor into it as far as I can see.

iSpy wrote:He has been opportunistic about his vote placing, even though he has been reading thread/lurking actively there is obviously lack of involvement/interest in scum hunting = scum behavior.

Can you show me examples?

Korlash · Post Post #148 (isolation #26) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:13 am

iStark wrote:Even if it was policy, he only had 3 votes and one of them was Glass.
I don't think there is any need to take this big of gamble in RVS when no one else was even looking at it and there was bigger distraction ( DW claim ) was available to bite on.

You just used him being policy lynch as a reason to support your town read on him, now you're saying the policy wasn't relevant... Pick a stance and stick with it mate.

And it's not a gamble, it's a ploy. Whichever one survived it would have been on easy street the rest of the game. From a logical perspective, doing it that early doesn't yield a high chance of it actually succeeding, so no real threat BUT it gives them a bussing point to fall back on later in the game. "Oh I can't be Kondi's partner because of this event twelve pages ago." (for example.)

iStark wrote:We're merely looking at it differently, I don't think it was needed move for scum even if they did pulled it off, I just don't want to lynch one of them on D-1 unless there is something big to put them down as scum.

... It was page two, there is no such thing as a "needed move". But all that aside, I'd rather 'lynch' V2V at the moment anyway so fine, I just think you're calling them town for reasons that make them scum, in my opinion.

iStark wrote:His earlier suspicion was Kondi and I don't see any problem in changing his vote to some one inactive to get response.
This was page 4.

I was referring to his posts from later in the game, the time when both he and Kondi went after people surrounding the Rylai wagon instead of actually joining it. But that is a good idea, I should look into his early game surrounding Rylai as well.

iStark wrote:This first one came at a time of Kondi wagon going strong and almost getting lynched and Rylai was active enough to lurk and put up the case ( repeated one but still..) but didn't know the vote count? and that was on same page -_-

Have you seen the vote count on that page? Unless you count the names of the people voting a player there is no indication of exactly how many people are on it. Don't get me wrong, that's his mistake, but I can at least see how it could be done.

iStark wrote:Here flow for wagon was already set from that fakehammr, and case was already been putted up by Otto .
But what interests me more is Reylai producing case for your second vote after him getting two votes for that ''supposedly'' bad counting.
This doesn't seem scummy to you? Rylai clearly tried to kill heat after his first mistake.
And don't get me wrong, I still tried to look beyond it but there was little to no defense from Rylai himself [it was ActionDan that was arguing for him. ( And he was lurking yet never responded himself?)], nor I'm saying there isn't any point in your case but it's little to early to go after Glass and Kondi when we have good enough lynch option available for D-1, we can only lynch one person today and go over happenings on night & D-1 for lynch on D-2.

... Considering I think V2V is scum and don't actually like his fakehammer... no, I don't see it as scummy really. It's not killing heat if the case/wagon you join is correct mate. That being said... His reasons given aren't all that great... I'll need to see how the wagon started and the position he was on/in.

iStark wrote:nor I'm saying there isn't any point in your case but it's little to early to go after Glass and Kondi when we have good enough lynch option available for D-1, we can only lynch one person today and go over happenings on night & D-1 for lynch on D-2.

It's never too early to go after anyone... Little known fact, but you can actually scumhunt multiple people at a time mate. And since we only have one lynch, might as well make sure it's the best it can be. We still have eight days until deadline, plenty of time to deal with all of this now that way we have more to 'go over' on D-2.

Korlash · Post Post #158 (isolation #27) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:46 pm

Mal wrote:@Korlash: Pretty much what I got out of your posts were these main two points:

Vijay's hammer wasn't faked/ he was serious

Delta should be lynched.

Anything else I'm missing?

No... Delta should not be lynched... Sigh, damn my argumentative side... We should lynch scum, like V2V or Kondi...

Lopsy wrote:And by that I mean: Korlash sounds in his original post like he's arguing for Delta's lynch. Also, he argues for his lynch in his post I quoted, saying that people would have to worry less about Delta, but then he argues that Delta is town. Wanting to lynch someone and also thinking they're town seems contradictory to me, even if it means we get to "worry less" about having information. So in conclusion, I'm not changing my vote.

No... Delta claimed me posing that lynching him would be acceptable made me scummy, so I pointed out why lynching him would be acceptable baring other better choices. You've seemed to skip 90% of what I posted dealing with my V2V, Kondi, Glass scum theory and choose to base your entire opinion of me off one single paragraph... It hurts... ;_; *tear*

As you can see, support for lynching Delta exists. My original point was simply that if too many of the players wanted him lynched, thus making it nearly impossible to actually lynch scum, I would end up supporting it... Sadly, it seems my predictions may come true...

Ok how about you and Delta join me in voting V2V, that should make the wagons even... Then we'll go from there? Deal? =D
At the very least you have to see that keeping your vote on me only helps the Delta wagon remain the lead... Regardless of what you think about my intentions, that kinda seems to go against your overall goal of keeping him alive.

Also:
@V2V: This is the second time you've managed to post while ignoring my last post against you... I'm hurt man... You could at least pretend I didn't hit the nail on the head... Do you feel bad that both your partners are being replaced at the same time? I feel ya man, that must be tough...

Korlash · Post Post #159 (isolation #28) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:46 pm

@ All those voting Delta: WHY? Can any of you give me a reason other than "I don't want him around later!"? Anyone? Anyone at all?

Korlash · Post Post #162 (isolation #29) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:40 pm

Mal wrote:I think his claim is BS.

Can you elaborate? Why is it BS?

CSL wrote:Lopsy v Korlash argument looks town vs town.

Duh... We're arguing over something we both agree on... :\

CSL wrote:Delta is scum.

Why?

CLS wrote:Everyone else is neutral.

D: Thoughts on V2V, Kondi, Glass?!?!?

Korlash · Post Post #166 (isolation #30) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:58 pm

CSL wrote:They're initial gut-reads. I don't explain them. I never have.

Fair enough, but at least answer me this. are they based on the cached pages or just this new thread?

CSL wrote:After further review, Kondi has been ignoring this thread albeit INTENTIONALLY from the looks of it. I will now deem you lurkerscum, and you will either get back here and do shit, or DIE.

I could be talked into supporting this... although you do know he is being replaced, right? hard for him to come back from that...

Mal wrote:It seems like your entire case rests on this one singular assumption. Could you try to explain it better?

'Kay, as long as you clarify your 'Delta's claim is BS' statement from earlier.

The fake hammer is only a small part of my actual suspicions of him. I mainly think that Kondi and Glass did pushes on others in an attempt to remove the pressure on V2V's wagon by placing it elsewhere. You would think this would make me more suspicious of them, but no...

As far as the hammering goes, I also said it was null way back when. But when you look at his explanation for it, it becomes suspicious. His explanations were too spread out and vague. If it was a gambit, regardless of why he did it, he should have at least had his own explanation ready when questioned, but all he could come up with was "I saw it in a game and wanted to try it out." When you pull any sort of ploy you always have some sort of expectations, and there is no reason not to mention those expectations when the gambit fails... unless those expectations are not town oriented. I'm kinda busy at the moment or I'd crack the pages open and go over his claim again to be more specific.

And lastly, V2V hasn't even acknowledged my post against him the last two times he posted... so now I'm adding avoiding my attacks as well, the sneaky bugger...

Korlash · Post Post #170 (isolation #31) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:03 pm

Try my 113 mate. you posted just over two hours later and completely ignored it. no excuses for that man... *shakes head*

Korlash · Post Post #177 (isolation #32) » Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:04 am

Solve for V, where X is 7 wrote:... I don't see anything in that post that is something directed at me. Well maybe for the IceGuy vote thing. Really, I'm voting him because DW is town. Like no joke obvioustown. And IG not seeing that does not jive with me.

Whoa whoa whoa... did you just admit that you won't comment on anything not directed at you? Well my job is done, guys... I give you scum!

My entire 113 was a homage to your being scum and ultimately the beginnings of my case on you. regardless of if you feel it was directed 'at' you or not, it dealt with issues that i thought suggested you were scum. You should have some inkling to comment on it in some way regardless of who it is directed at.

i = Stark + Y wrote:You called Glass scum for doing the same thing you're doing now, that's attacking multiple people.
Like, I said I do see you're point about it actually diluting pressure on V2V and Kondi just not as scummy as you make it sound, I don't think we are ever going to agree on this.

No I didn't. I called Glass scum for fake scumhunting and trying to manipulate where pressure was being placed in order to absolve another. His comments about Rylai later in the game clearly show that he was faking his earlier feelings.

Korlash · Post Post #186 (isolation #33) » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:08 am

iStark wrote:@Italic: That's like saying anyone who has shown suspicions of other people in past and voted for some one different due to their immediate scum slip ( In this case Rylai) is scum.

No it isn't. That has nothing to do at all with what I've been saying. If you say you think Player B(Rylai) is suspicious but then, 12 posts later, say 'omg, Rylai is actually starting to act suspicious, maybe I should look into him.'... *waves hands around frantically* Wtf is that? The earlier 'suspicions' had to have been fake if you can't manage to remember them 12 f'ing posts later, right?

Korlash · Post Post #188 (isolation #34) » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:20 am

Om of the Nom wrote:Also feel free to ask me anything in the meantime. I'll try and answer as soon as I can.

Why the hell was Glass so scummy? Why are the scum teams being thrown around not really good either? Did you know your name is an anagram of Omen Of Moth? Does that mean something? What the hell is a Nom anyway? Are we there yet? Do you think iStark is just pretending to be made by Apple since he is obviously running a standard Android Operating system? Have you ever seen the movie '9'? What the F-cannon was that about? Blows my mind... Does this look like a rash to you? Was that one weird to ask? How much time have I wasted asking you pointless questions when I should be getting ready to work? Does this qualify as something I can call in sick for? How about the rash? Are you honestly going to answer these as soon as you can? How will I know if it was as soon as you can. Can you give me a doctor's note saying it was as soon as you can? [insert standard joke about doctor's note for the rash] Is this what you meant by 'anything'? My definition of anything could be different... you know? Wow, almost blew it there? Did you know adding a question mark to the end of anything makes it a question? Like this, this is a question? See?

...

On a side note, hi. *waves* thanks for replacing in...? >.>

Korlash · Post Post #189 (isolation #35) » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:21 am

iStark wrote:Or his way to put pressure on Rylai?

... That doesn't even make any sense. He fakes suspicion of someone to put pressure on him? You seem to be defending him regardless of what I actually say at this point and I don't like that...

Korlash · Post Post #222 (isolation #36) » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:21 pm

Whoa! Someone thinks I'm scum. happy days! :3

I'll get something tangible up sometime tonight. For now food time, then pants time, followed by some light calisthenics.

Amrun? wrote:-Korlash's response is scummy. "If you call me scum based on speculation, I'll call YOU scum based on speculation." "Grow up and vote who I want you to vote." It's manipulative, illogical, and one of the scummiest posts all game.

I do have to ask who I called scum here... I don't remember anyone calling me scum and then me calling them scum back... ever... in the whole game... Was this the DW response? it would be very hard for you to justify you saying I've ever called him scum mate. Or do you mean Lopsy? Also can't remember calling her scum...

Korlash · Post Post #226 (isolation #37) » Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:16 pm

Amrun wrote:This was about Lopsy. You didn't EXACTLY call her scum -- (I misremembered when paraphrasing) -- but the threat isn't very veiled. There are more of them in the post in question. You are extremely condescending to her, undermining her arguments on faulty basis, and implying that if she was smart and mature, she would vote with you. The veiled threat is this: if you do what I want, I won't attack you, but I COULD, so you better watch your step!

There's absolutely no town motivation in that.

She misunderstood me and ended up calling me scum for 'having a different opinion then she did' when in reality I had the same opinion. I may not have been super friendly, but I don't remember ever suggesting I would or could attack her. I did that with DW sure, going so far as to outline what I would and could say if and when that time came, but I don't remember saying anything of the sort to Lopsy... let me reread that...

Oh I see, that line about turning it around on her. Naw, that was me implying how bad her case was and how easy it could be to turn around if I were scum and looking for easy outs. But if you took it as a threat... cool beans I guess. If I can get you riled up over irrelevant stuff, more info for me at the end of the day.

Alright, I'll get caught up as soon as I can safely get this cat off my chair...
...
This could take a while folks... She looks tired and mean...

Korlash · Post Post #229 (isolation #38) » Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:54 pm

Moth Omen wrote:That was amusingly fun to answer :V

Oh, that's a relief. i thought it was way over the top. Well if you had fun and I had fun and everyone else is going "what the hell did I just witness" then it was a good day for all of us I think. Yes yes, quite quite...

Moth Omen wrote:Scumteams without flips are kinda stupid. As there isn't very much to base them off, and everyone can be a scum team with someone else if you can find a connection. Where as with at least one scum flip, all the connections will be based around that person v

I suppose. Although coming up with a scum pair and using that to grill them (along with solo stuff as well mind you) can be a useful scum hunting tool. I'm against calling someone scum due entirely to partnerlinks most of the time, but I'll still mention them if they seem incredibly obvious. As my play so far should illustrate.

iStark wrote:@Bolded, Why?
I think it works well if scum is noob and especially person in question(Rylai) is active lurker.

I'm just defending my strongest town read, I would really hate it if he get's mis-lynched on D-1 due to his way of scum hunting ended up diluting pressure of some one elses wagon unintentionally.
What wrong with that?

How does it make sense that he puts pressure on someone by forgetting he had suspicions of that person? Makes no sense mate. That is literally the definition of taking pressure off I think.

I'm also not in the business of assuming scum is noob or lurker... The majority of my games lost is actually due to this thinking right here, but I'm just not willing to play that way... Sigh... That's why I rely on you fellas to cover my ass in this regard.

Can you reclearify to me what makes him your "strongest town read"?

Moth Omen wrote:Pages 2-4 make me think kondi-scum, Lucky-scum, Lopsy makes a lot of excuses, though I still think Lopsy-town, and I'm slightly leaning on iStark-town too. The rest are basically null so far.

Funny... I spent the first couple of pages thinking Lucky-scum too but lost sight of that when V2V and the others started poping up... I don't know, I might be willing to listen to that one since it will be better than a Delta lynch.

iStark wrote:Also, some one needs to explain why I can't put up the Signature ~.~?
It doesn't show up ;-;

Is it too long? There is a character limit.

Actiondan wrote:Second. korlash and iStark, you are both town (seriously Korlash is obvtown and for istark just skim through a certain ongoing mini-theme game involving vampires and teenage girl vampire slayers QED.) your arguing with each other has a negatie side effect of cluttering the thread (I only skimmed it).

I disagree... The discussion may not be as useful or stimulating as I would have hoped but it's the only real chance I've had to deal with my scum reads. (Since two of them are gone and one is ignoring me) It may not seem like much, but that's hardly reason to say it's negative and cluttering up the thread.

iStark wrote:@Korlash, Why don't we put Glass matter on hold and look over who is right and who is wrong after results from N1 on D2?

You can stop whatever you want, but I won't 'set my suspicions aside' to deal with them at another time. That's preposterous. i think Glass is likely scum, and you're defending him, thus my discussion with you is a viable source of information in my opinion and it would go against my win condition to drop my suspicions just because other players are whining that I'm talking too much.

Question+verb wrote:-Blegh, Korlash's arguments for lynching DW are really fucking terrible. So terrible that I retract my townvibes. It's even stupider because it's "hypothetical" and riding the wave of opportunity with no real commitment.

I disagree with most of this. I've made a huge commitment and stuck to it since posting that. I've said since I started I feel Delta is town and shouldn't be lynched. That's as committed as you can get. My reasoning for lynching him (should it come to it) are also valid, especially since my prediction is coming true. If there is too much support from the player base to lynch Delta, we cannot lynch scum. Thus, we must lynch Delta.

I'll give you it's stupid that it was all hypothetical, but none of it is wrong.

Alright... I'd rather lynch Kondi's slot if we're going the route of pick and choose someone scummy but I suppose if it keeps Delta off the chopping block I'll look into Lucky... Sigh... I don't get why there isn't support for V2V... If only to get him to pay more attention. :\

Korlash · Post Post #236 (isolation #39) » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:15 pm

mal wrote:All the new people are calling DW town, but haven't commented on the claim buisness. I'm starting to honestly get creeped out about whether I'm missing something profound here, because everyone's putting him on the top of their town lists...

As well, you sort of skimmed over the part on how you found lucky to be newbscum. I haven't really read too in depth into him lately, but he honestly felt like newbtown trying too hard. If anything, I'd rather put that title on iStark instead.

@New guys: what did you think of DW's claim? What's the mysterious "smoking gun" that changes Lucky from newbtown to newbscum?

I seem to remember having asked you a long time ago to tell me what it was that made you think his claim made him scum... Would you mind answering that so I can give my two cents?

Korlash · Post Post #249 (isolation #40) » Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:34 am

Moth Omen wrote:@Everyone who thought Glass was scum: Summarise why Glass was supposedly scum. Do you think that this slot is still scum now?

Well, one time I saw him punch a baby in the head while laughing. Then he stole candy from a priest and petted a kitty the wrong way! The fiend!

But yeah, still scum. I'll get you a summery shortly, for now though I'm late for work...

Korlash · Post Post #260 (isolation #41) » Sat Mar 31, 2012 4:16 pm

V2V wrote:Well I'm suspicious of anybody who keeps pushing the Delta claim as being scum-oriented, but from memory it was IG who started it. His inability(not that harsh, but I can't think of any other word) to outline why Delta's split claim has any scum intent coupled together with the fact that he is adamant about DW-scum makes me read him as scum trying to push a mislynch on somebody who is the next best thing to conftown imo.

Iceguy is closer to confirmed town then Delta is... To actually say this and not be joking is just further reason you should die today...

Why would scum lie just to mislynch a freaking miller? WHY? Not a good trade for him.

V2V wrote:Anyway I don't know what to add, except that I will vote for Lucky if we haven't lynched near deadline.

So, in English, you don't want to actually look into Lucky and bother adding your own voice to the case against him so will hide behind the 'deadline vote' excuse... :\ *shakes head* I don't understand why your non-scum buddies aren't getting behind your lynch...

BBmolla wrote:Guys.

Guys seriously.

Can we lynch Vijay?

;_; Can I buy you a coffee sometime good sir... You seem like an individual I can stand to talk to for more then twenty seconds...

Korlash · Post Post #262 (isolation #42) » Sat Mar 31, 2012 4:56 pm

Amrun wrote:WHAT IS THIS

THIS IS THE OPPOSITE OF SENSE

... Hi, I'm Korlash. But let's get to the point.

Why would any scum say what Iceguy did in order to mislynch a MILLER on day one? Why?

...

...

Waiting...

Right, doesn't make any effing sense. And when you factor in Delta's claim, Iceguy's 'claim' makes sense and matches up. Since they can both be town logically, Iceguy is more likely town due to timing. Unless something happens and Delta actually flips scum, Iceguy is town.

I will allow the chance you can explain to me why scum would do it... I still have things to learn when it comes to roles but I never thought a town miller was worth the sacrifice.

Korlash · Post Post #264 (isolation #43) » Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:12 pm

Amrun wrote:That could be valid, but there are some of reason scum would do that. Assuming optimal play for all scum at all times is stupid. a) He was being viewed as confirmed town. b) IceGuy has been incredibly lazy, regardless of alignment. c) He may not have thought it through properly.

Either way, it doesn't make DeltaWave scum as you seem to suggest.

Where did I ever suggest he was scum? I said quite clearly it allowed for both of them to be town. The fact remains that I feel Iceguy is MORE town then Delta due entirely to timing, but that doesn't mean either have to be scum.

As far as your reasons go, none of them are particularly strong and hardly anything to base a scum read on, as V2V has. So back to my original point, V2V is scum. ^_^ Everything works out!

Korlash · Post Post #267 (isolation #44) » Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:45 pm

Moth Omen wrote:I'm still waiting on an explanation as to why Glass was scum.

Nag nag nag...

I haven't had time to get back into the cache. I'll have a couple days off after tomorrow and should be able too get everything on my plate done with one read through. For now though, I feel Glass
'faked' his scum hunting as seen in these posts:

Glass wrote:You are missing the actual scummy move made by rylai, otto. It isn't the fact that he miscounted, but the fact that he apparently didn't know what was going on and yet was willing to put kondi at L-1

Glass, in response to Rylai wrote:God. Another scummy person. So you don't want to lynch someone who you think is lying about being miller because...
...
Need to look over malth+rylai again.

So first he feels Rylai did something scummy but then when Rylai does something else scummy he acts like it is all surprising and new. How can Rylai be a new scummy person that needs to be read, when he just did something scummy a few posts back that Glass already commented on?

Of course this isn't a case, just all I have in thread at the moment. Like I said, give me a day or two to get back into the cache.

Amrun wrote:I don't agree.

Luckily I'm capable of being right with or without your agreement, so no skin off my bones. ^_^ Someday though, you'll feel the need to bus V2V... Someday...

Korlash · Post Post #283 (isolation #45) » Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:26 am

V2V wrote:Seriously Korlash? come on mate. IceGuy wants to push through with the lynch, and when DW flips town he's gonna go "oh it was a shoddy claim, and millers suck anyway". Also you say that DW isn't scum so shouldn't you be concerned with the fact that one of your townreads is wasting his vote on another one of yours?

Regarding that comment to BB, it's funny because 20 seconds would be a stretch considering.how each of his posts have been so short.

How do you know what he is going to do? You want to lynch him based on something that hasn't happened? Such a townie move mate. Can I lynch you for all those mislynches I'm sure you'll push the next couple of days? No? That's seems like an unfair double standard. :'(

And I do hate that Iceguy is voting for Delta, hence why I asked Delta to repeat his claim. I was trying to specifically tailor it so I could talk Iceguy out of his vote, but Delta didn't say what I needed him to say. I tried to do this again with Mal, by continuously asking specifically what part of Delta's claim was 'BS' but he has yet to answer me. So yeah, I've very concerned about the votes on DW but people continuously ignore me or let me down and I'm not about to go around sticking my neck out to outright defend someone who's role PM I don't have, regardless of how much I think they are town.

Now that Color man is here... maybe I can get some real answers.

Moth Omen wrote:Actually, the more I think about it, the more v2v seems town.

lolololol... At least try to hide it Mr. Scummy, McJoseph Scum! The "I'm not going to do anything and let the day ride out' post followed by the "I'll just slander both people voting me without basis or reason' post leads you to think he's more town. Ha ha ha... I might not even have to actually post the scum Glass case if you keep this up mate. Don't make it so easy on me, okay?

Korlash · Post Post #284 (isolation #46) » Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:29 am

*sigh* Looking over Rainbow's claim posts I don't see what I was looking for... Maybe a new tact...

@ Iceguy: What part specifically of Delta's claim is causing you this uproar?

Korlash · Post Post #287 (isolation #47) » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:19 am

iceguy wrote:I was already suspicious when he first claimed miller, his later claim confirmed my suspicions.

*head in hands* ... Why... what specifically confirmed your suspicions...

Korlash · Post Post #289 (isolation #48) » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:34 am

...

There has to be something about his claim that makes you question it... Why are you avoiding telling me what it is?

Korlash · Post Post #291 (isolation #49) » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:47 am

No, and you're an idiot for immediately jumping to that 'defense'...

You've demanded Rainbow post everything about her role so you should at least do me the honors of pointing out which part of Delta's claim you have a problem with so I can argue why you're wrong.

Korlash · Post Post #293 (isolation #50) » Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:25 am

Still inept at playing the game, and now I'm annoyed at you. I'll take a brief moment to remind you that you already admitted to fucking yourself in the old thread, so rolefishing you is a moot point. Once you've shot yourself in the foot you can't hide behind the 'omg, you're rolefishing' excuse without looking dumb.

Ok, since Iceguy lacks the skills to actually play the game I'll take over for him.

"My Korlash, what an excellent question. And might I add you are looking exceedingly handsome today."

Why thank you Iceguy look-alike man, I have been using this great new moisturizer and-

"Seriously, shut up. Your voice is annoying. So my problem is that he says he would come up as "mafia goon" when investigated. Logically speaking, and in no way indicating my own role at all, what type of cop would get a guilty investigation of 'mafia goon'? are you telling me he is only a miller for role cops? What kind of stupid role is that?"

Wow, Iceguy Look-alike man, you are very skillful to answer my question in such a vague and non-implying way. I am impressed at your clearly above Bronze league skills.

>.> (Annoyed face)

Alright, all sarcasm aside, isn't it the "mafia goon" part that is making everyone suspicious? Yes? Yes? I'm hearing a lot of yes's...

Does everyone remember when Delta posted this:

Delta wrote:P-Edit: To go one step further, my role PM doesn't just specify that I would turn up guilty to cops. I'll turn up guilty to anyone who can investigate. I don't know if that's a red herring or not.

Everyone knows it was

before

the whole 'mafia goon' part right? And everyone knows that it accounts for the whole 'mafia goon' thing right? And no one is stupid enough to let his own role slip before factoring this into his suspicions right? >.> (annoyed face)

Let's assume player A is a sane cop. He investigates Delta and sees a "mafia goon". Since "mafia goons" would come up as guilty, he probably gets a game vernacular version of 'guilty. bam, covered. BUT BUT BUT, Player B is an assumed role cop... Uh oh mod, role cop investigated Delta... Tsk tsk, didn't account for this possibility did you OH WAIT! He sees a "mafia goon" And gets a game vernacular version of that role! WHAT ARE THE ODDS?!?!?!

A miller role, actually covering all cop version bases? No wai... Can't be done... Of course, this would also imply an insane cop would also net a guilty result since 'all investigation roles would see him as guilty'. I'd be interested to find out if that is the truth or not after the game is over but for now it's simply irrelevant trivia! (play at home people, fun for all ages)

In a cop themed game that 'likely' has multiple variations of the cop role it makes sense that a miller would have to account for all of them. If the 'I come up as Mafia Goon' part is the thing you all have a problem with, I don't think you've actually thought it all out.

Korlash · Post Post #295 (isolation #51) » Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:54 am

Can you clarify if your role does specify that 'all investigations against you' would turn up guilty? Also, exactly what sort of investigations would that imply?

Korlash · Post Post #314 (isolation #52) » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:43 pm

Well yeah, I'm in this game... It's a given that things need to be spelled out... >.>

Korlash · Post Post #315 (isolation #53) » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:44 pm

QuestionVerb wrote:I don't buy it. He starts to get a bit of pressure and then replaces out? No. Power lynch.

Does he have a history of doing this? Otherwise, this just seems like a dick move on your part. Has he replaced out of any other games?

Korlash · Post Post #326 (isolation #54) » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:59 am

Sweet, My day is off and this game is next on my list! i shall delve into the cache pages and post something there-in. I shall also be looking into CSL...

Korlash · Post Post #327 (isolation #55) » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:03 am

QuestionVerb wrote:He replaces out a lot, but how would that be a "dick move?" lol

Well, as an example "OMG, I just got my foot severed off in Real life and cannot be bothered to play mafia right now..." followed by "lol, I voted him and he replaced out, thus is scum" seems like a dick move... I mean, there are real life events that take priority over a game of mafia and using those to push your case seem malicious and just plain bastard like.

Note: example was just that, an example. Please do not waste my time arguing about how said example is not the case here... Unless you have reason to suspect the replacement was a lie, I don't care... Really, couldn't be bothered...

Korlash · Post Post #338 (isolation #56) » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:17 pm

The CSL wagon contains two of my scum picks... That would adequately explain the speed. I don't get Iceguy's vote so I'm going to assume he's seen the light! Also, that he's become retarded. :\

@ Lucky, I'm in the cache right now so I'll see what I can do.

Korlash · Post Post #341 (isolation #57) » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:02 pm

All right! i screwed all my other plans and just took note of all the votes. I tend to use VCAs to find sum partners so I'm sure this info will be needed at some point. Lets see what we have...

Spoiler: Figure you guys would want it available

Did this on notepad, took post number, vote, and whatever reason i could see. Might be helpful to you lot, might not. usually I only use it when I have a dead scum but I'll see what I can come up with here. Give me a bit to analyze it.

Korlash · Post Post #349 (isolation #58) » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:36 pm

Kondi- IceGuy, Glass, DeltaWave, Mist Beauty, Otto, Rylai, V2V
Lucky- vijay2vasandani, kondi2424, Lopsy, Mal
V2V- Rylai, ActionDan, Otto, iStark, Glass
Delta- kondi2424, IceGuy, Malthusis, istark, CSL(Rylai)
Lucky(2) - Omnom(Glass), CSL(Rylai), Amrun(Kondi)
CLS - Rainbow (delta), BBmolla (Mist), Amrun (kondi), istark, Omnom (Glass), Mal, Iceguy,

So lets see...
ice- 3
Glass - 4
Delta - 2
Mist - 2
Otto - 2
Rylai - 4
V2v - 2
Kondi - 4
Lopsy - 1
mal - 3
Lucky- 0
istark- 3
actiondan- 1

So our top three - Kondi, Rylai, and Glass
Our bottom three - Lucky, Action, and Lopsy

Conventional logic would say one scum in both, but can't boil every game to conventional logic... This only serves to remind me why i only do this when i have dead scum to compare it to...

Still, that's a good pool for today's lynch (the top three that is) so:

Unvote:

Kondi - 7 votes total,
Rylai - 5 votes total,
Glass - 8 votes total,

(Yes, this includes all game posts, including cache and this thread)

So... Glass wins! yayayayayay! I love it when math works!

Vote: Om of the Nom

Competing wagon choo choo!!!

Korlash · Post Post #351 (isolation #59) » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:37 pm

D=

How the fuck did rainbow beat me to it... Damn you science! You have failed me!!!

Korlash · Post Post #355 (isolation #60) » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:50 pm

better a prop-town than a full town, no?

Korlash · Post Post #359 (isolation #61) » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:55 pm

...

That's a weird argument...

I mean, posting on the same site, sure... But different sites... A little more work is needed to go from one site to another mate.

I don't think that really means anything.

Korlash · Post Post #361 (isolation #62) » Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:03 pm

Yeah and with deadline looming not a lot to do about it now...

Korlash · Post Post #377 (isolation #63) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:12 am

Rainbow wrote:ugh this game is going to be tough. Amrun is probably scum here with...

... Omnomnom, VtooV, hell I'd throw Lucky in as the wild card...

I won't lie, i prefer Questionverb over newGlass anyway, but given my math I'd still switch to CSL if the deadline rule forces me too.

Rainbow wrote:@mod - What is deadline lynch rule?

Rulez wrote:14) In the event of a deadline ending without a player gaining a majority of votes, there will be no lynch. No pluralities for lynching.

Unvote, Vote: Amrun

tick tock, tick tock...

Slight edit of my own rule. Missed a word. <_<

Korlash · Post Post #379 (isolation #64) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:52 am

Well... i don't think V2V would bus his buddy in this situation... Lopsy probably won't join the wagon I'm on...

Anyone on the CSL wagon switching to Questionverb would be risking a no lynch...

...

My predictions suck... ;_;

Korlash · Post Post #381 (isolation #65) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:13 am

Whosa whatta.... I'm not one of them smartponies...

Cannot understand... words... coming... from... you...

Can you translate to Engrish?

Korlash · Post Post #383 (isolation #66) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:16 am

Yeah, you tell him CSL!

Also, vote him maybe... Just a thought...

Korlash · Post Post #390 (isolation #67) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:06 pm

Woohoo! V2V you might be an alright guy afterall!

Korlash · Post Post #393 (isolation #68) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:15 pm

Don't forget though, deadline is in a day and a half. Wagons do tend to go naught to kelvin when a no lynch is imminent.

Korlash · Post Post #395 (isolation #69) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:28 pm

Hmmm... Little to no backing seems inaccurate. Quite a few people have shown interest in lynching Kondi's slot over the course of the game, backing or not, so everyone jumping on that seems predictable.

Scum backed up the CSL wagon though, you were right to be weary of that one.

Korlash · Post Post #416 (isolation #70) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:25 pm

Questionverb wrote:Why? Why wouldn't he feel confident since he has a PR?

Well because he dies either way really. A 1v1 is a death sentence for a PR, and making it as early as he did is stupid even for him.

I'm not unvoting. Claim sounds bogus and push on Lucky doesn't help me feel any better about you.

Korlash · Post Post #418 (isolation #71) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:42 pm

Trust me... I don't... But you're still scum regardless it seems.

Korlash · Post Post #422 (isolation #72) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:57 pm

Questionverb wrote:You don't what, overestimate him? What are you even talking about?

I don't really give a crap. It's your loss. I didn't join this game because I was super excited to play it.

At this point, even if I'm not lynched, I'll be night killed.

Yeah, I don't overestimate Kondi at all...

And this attitude is exactly why I'm confident this claim of yours is bullcrap. If you truly think you're going to be nightkilled, the only reason you didn't claim your role was to assure you can't be counterclaimed.

Korlash · Post Post #424 (isolation #73) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:09 pm

Well I just so happen to have this one lying here. *waves it threateningly*

I guess that's not what you mean, huh...

Why is it premature? Would you rather wait until it is too late and force us to no lynch then? Or would you rather wait until 'after' you've been nightkilled? There is no premature for you right now.

Korlash · Post Post #448 (isolation #74) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:09 pm

*sigh* So obviously a fakeclaim... I'm going on record here... I think you're all being stupid... But I resign myself to mob rules... *shakes head*

Unvote:, Vote: Mal

"You'll all be idiots to lynch me."
"I'm not the ONLY cop guys... duh..."

Such a fucking lie...

Korlash · Post Post #451 (isolation #75) » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:29 pm

All right... taking bets... 5 to 1 on Iceguy, 4 to 2 on Action, Lucky comes in on the long shot 20 to 4, and I'm giving 2 to 8 odds on Mal self hammering... that's right, even if you win, you lose! =D

Step right up, step right up, place your bets!

Korlash · Post Post #457 (isolation #76) » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:53 am

Vote: Amrun

I didn't reread last night and instead went to the pants store. I decided these slacks are ugly and make me look fat so I bought 10 pairs... Yeah, I don't honestly make smart decisions with my money. So I've decided to make a smart decision with my vote. And we come full circle!

I suggest he starts us off with hypocop, followed by Lucky, followed by popcorn style. But I haven't not reread to decide if I make a smart decision with my suggestions yet...

Korlash · Post Post #459 (isolation #77) » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:06 pm

Lolz... I didn't even work that one out. Although, since I disbelieve his claim I feel no shame... >.>

Korlash · Post Post #461 (isolation #78) » Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:08 pm

Mod, thy god wrote:Not voting- ...vijay2vasandani

If you're going to stalk us ghost, you should learn to use your vote.

lolololol

Ha ha ha, dead and privy to all the secrets of the universe and can't control his vote micro. *mini giggle*

Korlash · Post Post #474 (isolation #79) » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:30 pm

iStark wrote:@Korlsh, I need to have links to both your town and scum games which you completed recently.

Can't. I've only been back on site since December. :\

You can search my posts and find other games I'm in and watch until I die if you want. *gasp* Does this mean you don't believe Amrun either? =D iStark you clever handsome man you!

Amrun wrote:It's not 100% sure they don't have a roleblocker, because there are other interfering abilities (redirect, for example), and other possibilities of things that interfered with their roleblocker. They also COULD have blocked RainbowDash or someone else, but I think that would be dumb. But maybe the scum are dumb. idk.

Yes you do know... In order to argue Iceguy as scum you had to say he was dumb since it made no sense for scum to claim in order to mislynch a miller... :\

In addition, I would speculate redirect and a number of other power roles shouldn't exist in this game. I will admit there is a very viable and likely role that would stop a RB so you make a good point in that.

omnomnom wrote:VOTE: IceGuy
I'm still fine with pursuing his lynch.

Why is Iceguy scum? Why would scum out themselves to mislynch a miller?

Korlash · Post Post #480 (isolation #80) » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:42 pm

For you there Starkyboy:

Town Game(replacement)
Scum Game(newbie)

My two most favordest games from a while ago.

Town Game(newbie)

And one not so favorite. At least I survived a bit longer in this one. Sadly this was back from my ICing streak so... Not sure if newbie games will help you out or not.

-edit-
[quote=Omnomnom"]@Korlash: IceGuy is scum because gut. I still want to play this game based on gut instead of logic, so I'm sticking with him for now. Also why not? Scum could do anything to look town.[/quote]

lolololol

Who needs evidence or reason or shit, right. And why even consider logic about why scum would do something stupid, it makes sense if you don't think about it! :\

Funny how both Questionverb and omnomnom's reasons and explanations for iceguy seem so closely identical...

Korlash · Post Post #483 (isolation #81) » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:47 pm

you! =D

Honestly, one of my more creative titles I think. Quite proud of it. My other idea involving a cat in a hat seemed like it had been done before or something...

Korlash · Post Post #507 (isolation #82) » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:48 am

Questionverb wrote:Okay, to clarify: how are they in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER similar?

Sorry mate, somehow I posted that and missed your 475 so I was simply going from what I remember you telling me yesterday. Your 475 seems to justify your opinion of him enough although I still don't think you can say you think him a smart player yet not be able to come up with a viable or believable reason he would actually counter Delta the way he did as scum. (Strategy wise that is)

From the way he has been playing, seems more like a person with disinterest in the game to some degree, which I feel adds up rather nicely. His most recent post though... Yeah I do almost feel like I owe you an apology with how bad those have been.... almost...

iStark wrote:@Korlash, I had her down as one of the towns but I'm bit confused with this half ass claim.
My gut feel says she is town but her reasons for choosing you over Ice are kind of bothering me. I'll be able to tell more if I can see more into your game play.
Other reason for asking your Games is your ''stunt'' in other game we are in.
I get the feeling that we are getting suckered into scum trap, just can't put the finger on it yet but something is definitely off.

Starky boy, her claim is so half assed it's actually full assed, like super huge and full of crap type of full assed. But ironically, not because she targeted me. That adds up.

Secondly, don't be bringing your suspicions from one game into another. I specifically dug up two games (one scum and one town) in which I used VCA because I knew exactly what you wanted. If you want real proof though, just look through my recent posts on site. In EVERY game I am currently in I have either recently done or am in the process of doing a VCA of some kind. it has nothing to do with alignment, I'm just really stretched thin so this is the easiest way for me to contribute in all my games.

Dan wrote:I was ready to lynch Amrun yesterday after she explicitly claimed cop with precisely the same thoughts as Korlash had in his #448. However, since there hasn't been a counterclaim today, I don't see much other choice than believeing it, despite mafia not bothering killing you over vijay who claimed to have a gimpy town PR.

Why would anyone counterclaim her? No one with a cop role PM assumes they are the only one, thus no one would risk the counterclaim because A) it would out themselves, and B) They could both 'possibly' be town cops.

I'll be compiling a step by step over why her claim is bogus, but I'm waiting to see if we actually decide to hypocop today or not. On that note:

@ everybody:

So are we hypocoping? I'm cool either way, but it feels like something that SOMEONE should at least bring up...

Amrun wrote:I was trying to entice scum into killing me yesterday, but it was unlikely considering I'm still a potential mislynch.

Where, when, and how? At what point did this start happening?

Korlash · Post Post #509 (isolation #83) » Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:49 pm

[Alright, I investigated Amrun and received a game relevant form of 'guilty'. Through my investigation I found 'Lucky' to be involved in some way, particularly through use of some 'Protective Role Ability', There was also a 'Gun' involved along with a 'blood-stained Badge' and an ID card reading 'Vanilla'.]

I believe that covers any and all possible Investigation results. Since It's a hypo and my top pick has now 'claimed' I don't particularly see a need for an order. However, unless you upfront disagree with the idea I would suggest everyone does some variation of my format and hypo a claim in their next post.

Korlash · Post Post #514 (isolation #84) » Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:37 pm

Sorry, didn't even think to explain what it was.

For the record, I'm suggesting you hypo-all investigation roles, not just cops. The more info you pump into it, the less likely the scum can actually POE anyone's role.

Korlash · Post Post #525 (isolation #85) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:39 pm

Starky-boy wrote:@Korlash, what are those other points that are making her claim bogus?

Well my friend, I'm glad you asked.

In post 407, Amrun wrote:
I'm a power role and I'm not even going to tell you which one except you would be pretty dumb to lynch it.

In post 423, Amrun wrote:
If I get threatened with a hammer, I'll claim my full role, but not before. It's too premature, yet.

In post 426, Amrun wrote:Chill, chill, I was afk.

I'm a cop.

Not really surprising, giving the flavor - and that counterclaim stuff is bs, because I am almost certainly not the only one.

Interestingly, though, my role pm never mentions the word "cop." I seem to have no role name at all. It describes the abilities of a cop pretty dead on, though.

It doesn't say, so I'm assuming sanity not guaranteed.

In post 471, Amrun wrote:
If scum had a roleblocker, they would almost definitely have roleblocked me last night. They know that I am a cop because they know I'm not scum, and the likelihood of me fakeclaiming as town is very low. So they know that I have the potential to fuck them over (as both guilties and innocents are very bad for scum).

It's not 100% sure they don't have a roleblocker, because there are other interfering abilities (redirect, for example), and other possibilities of things that interfered with their roleblocker. They also COULD have blocked RainbowDash or someone else, but I think that would be dumb. But maybe the scum are dumb. idk.

Still, despite outside chances of uncommon roles/weird role interaction/super dumb scum, it is unlikely that there's a roleblocker on scum side. Me turning up with no result today could easily have led to my lynch, which is a possibility that would be very hard to pass up for scum.

In post 473, Amrun wrote:Voided responded. Cop.

He also pointed out that I missed it in the original PM. It was in the quote name bit and I missed it completely. Oh well.

In post 506, Amrun wrote:I was trying to entice scum into killing me yesterday, but it was unlikely considering I'm still a potential mislynch.

Amrun wrote:Korlash, I only tried to do it after I got to L-1. It's why I didn't full claim immediately (and said the stuff about town would be so dumb to lynch met etc) and why I said I would be killed overnight, etc. It was unlikely to ever happen, but I tried.

The 407 and 426 stuff are contradictory. "You would be pretty dumb to lynch me" vs. "I'm almost certainly not the only one", Why would we be 'dumb' to lynch a role we have multiple of? And I mean specifically, Why would we be dumb for lynching it and not for simply lynching a power role if we have multiples of her role? In a hypothetical sense, if we have four cops and one doc, lynching the doc would be dumb... Lynching the cop would simply be, unfortunate.

The part about 'having no name' seems like a stall. it wasn't until after we had a town flip that she figured it out (aka knew the game had simple role names). She made reference to this in post 477 which is quite possibly because she had specifically looked for it to refine her claim. I looked at my own role PM, and there is no way I missed my role name. No fucking way, since we are both replacements I cannot believe her's is any differently structured than mine is.

The part about trying to get nightkilled is also bullshit. She was at L-1 before she even suggested we would be idiots for lynching her, so saying it was "after" that is ridiculous. Plus, in post 423 she refuses to full claim until threatened with a hammer. Why? if she wanted to be nightkilled, she should have full claimed immediately thus ensuring the scum wanted to kill her. Instead, she stalls during deadline while at L-1 arguing over a hammer threat. Ridiculous.

And her 471 looks rehearsed. She goes out of her way of explaining what should be a hole in her claim without technically being asked. (She first mentioned it herself in post 465) This is simply my opinion, so feel free to ignore or disagree with it, but it's the type of move I would make while fakeclaiming, making sure to patch up cracks as soon as possible with reasonable excuses while structuring it in such a way that the scum team isn't hurt by the disclosure. (i.e. the "i don't think, but it's possible, but unlikely" keeps us guessing as to if they do or don't in the event she is lynched)

Add in the game's flavor and cop is the most likely picked role to fakeclaim as scum. So all together, NOTHING about this claim adds up (other than her investigating me, who oddly enough is the main person pushing her claim as bogus suggesting this 'result' could simply be a means of appeasement towards me.) and the amount of circumstantial evidence against it keeps growing.

The claim is bogus, and has been since yesterday.

Korlash · Post Post #527 (isolation #86) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:20 pm

In rereading your quote about the L-1, I think I may have misunderstood your meaning. So we'll keep it more on target...

And what do you mean 'how would full claiming ensure the scum wanted to kill you'? Regardless off how 'useful' a cop is in ratio to other games, a cop is a cop. A dead cop is a scum benefit. That's end of story.

Add in the fact, NOT full claiming makes you a higher mislynch probability which reduces the chance anyone would kill you, and add in the deadline factor and the entire 'ploy' of not full claiming is entirely scummy and doesn't match the suggestion you were 'aiming to be nightkilled'.

And what part of your claim 'adds up'? From my perspective, nothing seems to add up.

Korlash · Post Post #544 (isolation #87) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:43 pm

You all know I could get behind an Omnomnom wagon. Or lucky if it comes to that. I still think Am's claim is bogus but if it's impossible to hang her I can deal with it. Ice and Stark are town, So is RD. Everyone else is whatever-sauce.

*yawn* I'm kinda losing touch with this game. Hopefully my others will end so I can put more effort into here, where it belongs! <3

Korlash · Post Post #545 (isolation #88) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:45 pm

@Mod: Is it possible to get post 3 updated to reflect current living player list, or is that post messed up as well?

No, you're just hallucinating. As usual.

Korlash · Post Post #551 (isolation #89) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:57 am

Honestly Lucky, nearly everything about that post makes me think you're scum. "many things bother me" but you barely scrape out two reasons, one of which has been throw around constantly for the last few pages and the other just a vague statement without reasons why. Trying to direct investigations tonight and saying that a town result on her would be enough. Then saying if she survives she is scum. That's contradictory. How can she be cleared with a town result, but scum if she survives? Can't be both. And 'without a doc'? Are you suggesting she be left alive until a doc claims/flips? I don't understand what you mean by this.

And lynch someone with 'top suspicion'? Who? you didn't bother to give any idea as to who, just a blanket 'anyone other than Amrun' is what I'm getting from you.

@ Lucky: Who did you mean by 'more obscure'?

Actiondan wrote:Let me add here that killing Vijay off before Amrun is a strong reason as well to disbelieve the cop claim, and I highly doubt scum left amrun unmeddled with just to try and mislynch her D2 [It might mean scum tried to meddle with her action, busdriver, framer, redirector etc.]

This also makes me suspicious since I believe you're the first person to actually say it. When a 'random' person is nightkilled over a power role, the first person to mention it with any indication that the power role is there-fore scum, is likely scum himself having set this argument up the night before.

Can you point out anyone else who said this earlier in case I missed it?

Korlash · Post Post #568 (isolation #90) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:49 am

Danny-Boy wrote:Vijay wasn't random, he claimed he was a PR in thread >_>. But even besides that, I don't think amrun is scum without a cop counterclaim today. I think the quote above is a bit juvenile frankly

Semantics. 'Random' as in anyone aside from the obvious choice, not Random, toss a dart and see what sticks.

Didn't you just say that V2V being NKed was a reason Amrun is scum? Yet, you're calling me juvenile while attempting to justify V2V's kill? Which is it mate? Is V2V's kill a sign to Disbelieve amrun, or does it make sense due to his claim? Can't be both. (I took the liberty to assume your definition of 'Wasn't Random' to equate to 'had a reason for' thus 'makes sense'. If this is not the case, feel free to explain it to me)

Rainbows wrote:Korlash is town, double so for one of his recent posts which hit a favorite tell of mine
AD dances the line on this tell
CSL is probably town for the VT claim.

I'm interested in what this tell is that would suggest both me and my newest favorite scum are both town... No need to rush it, I'm fine waiting until the game is over if that's what you're shooting for here but since I'm starting to see Danny-boy as scum... could help me out.

And I can't write CSL off due to my math. Her slot 'ties' with Amrun's and Omnomnom as the most active voters so without their flips I can't resort to calling her town. I'm fine going after nomnomnom though, so no big worries there.

Unvote:, Vote: Om of the Nom

I'd joke about sheeping Rainbows but you all know Glass has been one of my top three all game. Personally though, I'd like to see Lucky lynched simply because I think his flip will be more helpful. An Omnomnom/Lucky/AD pairing is what I'd be running with if for whatever reason I actually am wrong about Amrun. And if we can't lynch her, I'd rather lynch the slot that takes her place in the triad, aka Lucky.

I suppose this means I actually have to deliver on that Glass case I promised way back when. XD

Korlash · Post Post #569 (isolation #91) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:56 am

Lucky wrote:I was hoping no one would question me over the "if she survives she is scum" part of it. It was thought out why I said it. I dont want to leave you wondering why I said it but If I must I will, just ask me in your next post. Just a heads up, I said it for a reason that may or may not work. I threw the doc part in here for basically the same reason. Again just ask one more time an I will answer.

>.> Tell you what, if I can get a posse on your wagon I'll ask you. Until then, I'm fine with you doing whatever.

Lucky wrote:By top suspicion, I was not talking about my top suspicion but by mutual agreement. At the moment I dont have a top suspicion and I am looking into people right now like Istark, Om nom, and Iceguy. This was not meant as just anyone but someone who seems like scum. (Like if you guys agree to lynch me, then go ahead.) It would be too risky to lynch Amrun who claimed to be a cop. What if true? What if false? Thats why I suggested for someone to investigate her.

See, that's the problem I have with it. why say "top suspicion" instead of just listing out your top suspects. It's non-committal and quite frankly, isn't very townie to want to simply lynch 'anyone in agreement' instead of pushing the people you want lynched.

Lucky wrote:By more obscure (bad wording I realize now) someone who was suspicious according to various people. Ex Me, Istark, Ice guy.

So you're holding the 'cop' responsible for investigating people you find suspicious instead of people she finds suspicious?

This constantly putting yourself in your examples (i.e. lynch me, investigate me) doesn't make me feel any better about you. If you're town then you're inviting us to mislynch you or waste an investigation on you. It sounds more like you're playing the martyr, which I normally expect from scum.

Korlash · Post Post #571 (isolation #92) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:19 am

Naw, changed my mind. Let's lynch Omnomnom. Rereads ftw!

We'll start the case off with a lack of anything real coming from him. A constant string of "I think so and so (usually Lucky) is scum due to gut". And yeah, my own wanting to see his flip in regards to the other people I think is scum.

Not all that solid but I didn't feel like delving into the Cached pages to re-up my glass suspicions.

Korlash · Post Post #575 (isolation #93) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:26 am

Had or have? and what's your opinion on Omthenomnomnom?

lucky wrote:
lynch om of the nom

Really?
>.>

Korlash · Post Post #577 (isolation #94) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:17 am

Yeah... that was a dumb question... it honestly sounded legitimate in my head ><

What makes you feel Glass was town? he was one of my original scum trio.

Korlash · Post Post #579 (isolation #95) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:24 am

What about Lucky?

Korlash · Post Post #582 (isolation #96) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:36 am

Lucky wrote:Yes really. Why you have an objection of what I did. Just start the wagon on me people will follow.

...

Did you even read what I quoted?

Amrun wrote:I have pretty clearly had lucky as a scumread since page 1 of the game.

Right, and he doesn't appear to be in Rainbow's list of townies. seems to be the only person all three of us agrees on.

Unvote:, Vote: Lucky

Just because he told me to. (and also because he's scum, but I prefer the former for tax purposes)

Korlash · Post Post #584 (isolation #97) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:46 am

And see, I think Iceskatz is town. As I think does Rainbow...

Korlash · Post Post #593 (isolation #98) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:27 pm

lucky wrote:Im town but I told you to lynch me. Lets go on with this lynch.
Now when I die and get confirmed as town can someone investigate Amrun just to be on the sure. Then we can confirm his investigation. If there is a doc I suggest to protect Amrun because if he is town, mafia will try to kill him tonight. Let them waste their kill. Last one on the wagon will most likely be scum. If someone tries lynching me for a dumb reason I suggest Amrun to investigate them if he is town, but do what you want with the investigation.

lynch luckyjt

Ok, I gave you the benefit of the doubt the first time but now I'm starting to think you're doing this 'lynch' crap on purpose. Stop it... >.> it irks me...

And you just attempted to direct the doc protect. You should die just for that alone.

Rainbows wrote:I dont like a lucky lynch.

I havent been able to find much about why that pony is obviously town, but gut has said it the entire game.

... Why you gotta be so ruining things? :\

Korlash · Post Post #595 (isolation #99) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:33 pm

Rainbows wrote:Also why are you voting lucky if you still think Amrun is scum? Those two are aggressively not scum together.

I disagree but you're welcome to try and convince me otherwise.

Hypothetically speaking though, I can see a scum team that doesn't involve Amrun, but it does involve Lucky hence the vote. It also involves Omnom though so it won't take much to get me to move my vote back.

Korlash · Post Post #598 (isolation #100) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:03 pm

Rainbow wrote:Post crash lucky jumped right back on kondi. After that long of a break everything had slowed down and resuming (?) a hard bus is more unlikely since in a couple weeks off everypony had a chance to think about things deeper. Also Amrun has been pushing strongly enough for a lucky lynch since she showed up, im pretty sure both arent scum here, and I would not at all be shocked to see town-town.

So? I've spent entire day ones in a two person scum team viciously pushing for my partner's execution. This game should have a three person team, making extreme bussing more common.

Post crash? Things slowed down? Duh, that's why scum are more likely to put a vote on their partner. Post crash, it's harder to justify reads and back up votes since momentum has died down and getting cached info is exceedingly more difficult. Putting a vote on a known scum is the easiest to defend. Plus post crash you aren't likely to expect any really big wagons forming too fast. Saying scum aren't likely to vote their partners 'post crash' is wrong. It would be proper play to open up either with a vote on one of your partners or at least some phrasing of "i think so and so is scum".

And yeah, questionverb's been pushing Lucky, and who's she been calling town? Glass. You bus one and call the other town. Scum 101.

I like the AD pairing with Lucky just as much for a lot of the same reasons, so I'm perfectly open to the idea that I'm way wrong here. But as it stands, I see all the evidence you just presented as signs of a partnership, not lack of one.

Amrun wrote:lucky/amrun scumteam?

LOLOLOL no

Yeah well, We'll see. You sure changed your Omnom stance rather hurried like once Lucky was run up. So keep laughing, please. It makes my job easier.

Korlash · Post Post #601 (isolation #101) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:07 pm

You've been pushing for lucky's death for a long fucking time...

That's the point. You've been saying Lucky is scum since you joined, you've kept him as your 'go to vote' for pretty much that entire time. But when it comes down to it, it takes shit all to get you to unvote. Your vote on CSL? "OMG CSL is replacing out, vote: him". Your vote on Mal, pure deadline vote. your vote on Iceguy? Who the fuck knows what that's about. I suppose he's the only arguably reasonable vote you had, but you've been pushing Lucky for a long

fucking

time yet seem to lack mention of him until I start up the wagon...

You've been pushing Lucky for a long

fucking

time, and you've been calling Glass town for a long

fucking

time, and nine posts ago you abandon a Lucky vote to vote Glass's replacement for, what reason was it? "I changed my mind"? You spent a long,

fucking

, time just to change your mind.

You've been pushing Lucky's death for a long...

fucking

... time... And from my point of view you're full of

fucking

shit. Tell you what, let's lynch you. And if you happen to flip town I'll do you a favor and reevaluate my findings. Don't like that idea? Awww... Oh well. *snaps fingers*

*shakes head*

I find the argument 'I can't be his partner, I pushed for his death' to be moronic.

I

find it to be moronic... How terrible is that?

Korlash · Post Post #602 (isolation #102) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:09 pm

Voided wrote:Also, while I feel the reason is contrived as hell, Feirei "replaces" CSL (and I say that in quotes because they're the same person).

Can I replace myself? If CSL gets to do it, I think we should all be allowed to replace ourselves...

From now on, I'll be known as Korlash. Don't get confused and call me by my old name 'cause I'll know... I'll know and get upset... >.>

Mommy, that guy is creepy...
I know Susan, let's walk away...

Horribe. Aboslutely horrible.

Also, no.

Korlash · Post Post #606 (isolation #103) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:51 am

actiondan wrote:Lucky is town. He was as reactionary on page 2 of the cached pages when votes were being thrown his way in the same manner. This is not some sort of spur of the moment gambit as it is consistant with earlier play.

So? All that means is he knows it gets him out of trouble when he does it.

Actiondan wrote:Korlash, 'juvenile' refered to you pinning me as suspicious for a 'smelt it, dealt it' type argument. I'm saying that Amrun not dying is the strongest reason to disbelieve his claim out of the myriad others (including many that you have brought up, including Amrun's most recent 'I changed my mind!' post ). THAT SAID, I am not willing to lynch him without a counterclaim. It may well come tomorrow when a cop will have 2 results and be more effective.

You've essentially said nothing here. And instead of arguing why I'm being juvenile for using the so called 'smelt it, dealt it' argument, you just say I am and brush it under the carpet.

Korlash · Post Post #612 (isolation #104) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:27 pm

Amrun wrote:Korlash, it's like you don't think about what you're saying at all.

I know I've been on lucky all game. As scum, what reason do I have to conspicuously change my mind? Why should I be purposelessly inconsistent?

You're not thinking about intent.

I never think about intent because in an argument it's irrelevant. Why would scum be inconsistent? To argue why they would be inconsistent as scum. We'll go around in circles forever. lets keep the argument to facts.

How has all of the time and effort you've put into Lucky since replacing in been wiped clean so quickly? Why do you think what he is doing isn't likely to come from scum? How is Om's response to that so much it overrules your former townieness vibe from Glass?

Korlash · Post Post #614 (isolation #105) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:45 pm

What do you mean, didn't this happen once already early day one? That's proof enough he KNOWS what can happen if he pulls it. A newbie scum that gets run up early day one can easily pull the martyr play without even intending to manipulate anything.

So yeah, if he did pull this during his first wagon, he certainly is experienced enough to know what kinds of reactions it would receive. Of course, this would be relying on AD for his assessment of Lucky's play early on. (I certainly don't feel like going back into the cached pages :\)

Korlash · Post Post #621 (isolation #106) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:32 pm

Amrun wrote:Wait, he self-voted Day 1? I'm fairly certain this didn't happen. I read the whole thing in detail and do NOT remember that...

If that's true, then you're right, though.

No, I don't believe he self voted day one. But he didn't self vote today either.

Amrun wrote:You don't "play to a town meta" as town. You just ARE TOWN.

This, I like this. I want this on a T-Shirt.

Korlash · Post Post #629 (isolation #107) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:11 pm

istark wrote:@Korlash, stop tunneling ffs.

I have four suspects... how am I tunneling?

Amrun wrote:Yes, he did. o.O What?

... No he didn't.

Omnomnom wrote:I'm not giving out any more details unless you guys want me to claim.

Might as well, You serve no purpose not claiming at this point other than to stall the day.

Korlash · Post Post #636 (isolation #108) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:44 pm

iStark wrote:@Korlah, Those suspects are including Amrun or without her? you will do good to list them right now.

Both.

Amrun wrote:YES, he did, Korlash.

Whoa, settle down kitty. If the mod doesn't want to play by his own rules regarding voting then fine, I'll take my foot out of my mouth.

Amrun wrote:Don't claim prematurely, Om. Claim if you get to L-1 and not before.

No, Om claims now. There isn't a single reason for him not to and if his claim does hold weight I want as much time left to play with as we can salvage. The fact he's even holding off only further suggests he's faking it.

Korlash · Post Post #641 (isolation #109) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:04 pm

Amrun wrote:What difference would it make? The intent was there. So you saying he did it on day 1 makes no freaking sense.

There you go again, using that word. Not using the pattern set forth in the rules to make a vote suggests you aren't really intending to make said vote, i.e. the vote you placed was fake. And I was inferring from AD that he did the 'woe is me' crap day one, not the self vote. I really should, read it, sometime... But I just don't care...

Om wrote:I'm holding off because there's bound to be people who definitely don't want me to claim now (such as Amrun). I want to wait untill everyone is alright with it before I do it.

... You're intentionally wasting time...

Unvote:, Vote: Om of the nom

L-2... Claim... Claim.... Claim...

I can do this all day... And I assure you, it is possible for me to be even more annoying.

Rainbows wrote:I think I know how we do this though. Just need to hear clarification of OOTN.

If he can think of a way to clarify things I am willing to reevaluate the situation afterward.

@ Anyone who doesn't want Om to claim: After he 'clarifies' things, explain to me why he still shouldn't claim. If anyone can actually think of a good reason I'll back off. Since one doesn't exist, I'm not too worried.

Korlash · Post Post #643 (isolation #110) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:06 pm

Om wrote:My role leads me to believe Amrun is telling the truth about her role, and that she is town.

Fucking die.

I once again urge you to claim you scummy scummy bastard. may your ashes burn forever in a jar on the mantle of peace and attractive women. (What? I wish semi-good things on my enemies... i have a heart... I really do. <3)

Korlash · Post Post #645 (isolation #111) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:09 pm

Amrun wrote:He really didn't, not to that level, and was never SERIOUSLY wagoned, only a very early game (almost rvs) wagon.

He's been voting the same way all game and his votes have been counting.

... In his ISO he uses the "vote: player" format in his first post yet uses a different format when he votes himself/Om. what did he do in the Cache?

Korlash · Post Post #654 (isolation #112) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:19 pm

Amrun wrote:idk what he did, honestly, but I remembered him using it at other times (at least with Om). My point was he had seen the mod accept that format at LEAST once before.

the mod never 'counted' his Om vote. Never. No vote count, no nothing. If you can prove he used 'lynch: player' somewhere and it was counted(before he 'voted' himself), I'll give you a 'you proved me stupid card' and you can rub that in my face sometime in the near future.

Om wrote:Put me to L-1 and I'll full-claim.

Ok, *waves hands* you're at L-1... Claim...

Amrun wrote:Does anyone else know what usually happens when cops are roleblocked but not told that they are? Could it NOT be getting false results?

Um, I always thought they recieved a 'no result' pm. Although, I would personally just not send them a result. I don't see any mod giving them 'false' results... was that what you were asking here?

Korlash · Post Post #663 (isolation #113) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:25 pm

How does he have role relevant information that suggests Am is telling the truth, yet needs her to explain her result flavor as well?

At the very least, Am is town and Om just weeded out more info to pad his safe claim with, and even that's an iffy possibility.

Korlash · Post Post #666 (isolation #114) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:26 pm

Om wrote:EDIT: Gonna get this post out here, then decide if you still want me to full-claim.

stalling, stalling, stalling, stalling!

Die die die die die!

Korlash · Post Post #668 (isolation #115) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:27 pm

om wrote:Part of Amrun's flavor description is true, the other part I'm not sure about.

Ha...

HA HA HA HA HA...

Damn, you shoulda just claimed. Now you're fucked.

Korlash · Post Post #670 (isolation #116) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:30 pm

Amrun wrote:If I'm NOT NOTIFIED, isn't that the same as "no result" - and if that is so, then what does not notified mean?!

Question question question. Two things, 1) You can just ask the mod... 2) You will not be told you were roleblocked. The mod will not say "Hey, you were roleblocked.' That's all it means. Odds are, you will instead get a 'no result' pm and you would have to infer being Roleblocked on your own. (i.e. there are other reasons you could get no result than just roleblocked.)

Korlash · Post Post #673 (isolation #117) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:39 pm

Om wrote:flavor said he had a green V.T Card in one of his coat pockets

V.T.?

Korlash · Post Post #677 (isolation #118) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:48 pm

Om wrote:EDIT: Yep, Amrun is fakeclaiming. I definitely got Not Guilty.

Yet knew somehow that 'cop' doesn't appear at all in the role? Is lying about how her results come in but called you (the real cop) out on it, knowing she was likely to be proven wrong?

...

Proceed with the lynch! I have decreed it, and so it shall be written!

Om wrote:EDIT AGAIN: Yeah, it said V/T for some reason. Though because it was in the optional flavor I don't think it's related to your role.

Did it say V.T. or V/T? Why can't you seem to get your facts straight?

And no, no mod that includes flavor would ever put ANYTHING in the flavor that even remotely resembles an actual role. You should have just said green card, that might have been believable.

Am wrote:Mine also implied that your badge was the same as malthusis' (VT) but didn't say it straight out. But the flavor is optional.

Did it say "VT" in any sense, or just that it was the same? (i.e. town)

Korlash · Post Post #682 (isolation #119) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:56 pm

Om wrote:Appeal to Majority. Nice fallacy. It said a green V.T card. I fullclaimed just like you asked me to, instead of witholding information from you.

you misunderstood me. I meant, instead of lying about getting a green V.T. card, you could have just lied and said you got a green card. i.e. I took the assumption this is all fake on your part.

Korlash · Post Post #686 (isolation #120) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:00 pm

amrun wrote:I think the conflicting flavor (card/badge, not guilty/not mafia) is WIFOM. I don't see scum sticking their nose out for me like that, and he added some details into the flavor... I just have a really bad feeling that lynching based off of optional flavor is stupid. Also, I had already said mafia/not mafia several times AND mentioned a badge, so I don't see that as a scumslip, either.

Conflicting flavor is logical. Multiple cops, would make sense from a set-up perspective to give each one a difference of some kind. How did he stick his nose out for you? And what details? The point of flavor is details, anyone can make it up. And why don't you think it's a scum slip?

Amrun wrote:p-edit: It's not about counterclaiming cop. You said you BELIEVED me, but now you vote me off of something that I claimed YESTERDAY. I think you're just being stupid and skimming, though.

You say right here you think he is skimming and being stupid... Why are you giving him the benefit of the doubt that he actually read the stuff you posted before claiming? (the stuff you posted before, but the most recent stuff he just copy/pasted)

Korlash · Post Post #690 (isolation #121) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:03 pm

Amrun wrote:It is really fucking stupid to try and lynch me because of different flavor. It's WIFOM. It's optional flavor - why would the mod give you the same thing as me, for flavor? He probably changed it to card so that it was different.

I have a better question. Why do we have multiple cops that both targeted the same person on the same night and got the same result? (answer, because at least one is lying)

Om wrote:You would have known it because it's IN THE ROLE PM.

Then why are you voting her?

...

Keeps digging his own grave Earl, never saw nothing like it.
Nope, me neither...
*chews on something* weird...

Korlash · Post Post #693 (isolation #122) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:05 pm

Om wrote:@Korlash: Who do you believe out of Amrun and I, is telling the truth?

Neither. you're both lying in my opinion. But I'm willing to admit I could be wrong about Amrun, so you die first. Followed hopefully by lucky. And if we have time AD.

Korlash · Post Post #696 (isolation #123) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:07 pm

Amrun wrote:My boyfriend thought I hurt myself because I was just like "HOLYFUCKINGSHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITBALLS" out of nowhere when I realized...

And struggling bachelors everyone let loose a quiet sigh...

...

Sorry, where was I? RIGHT! I don't think you hammered, since you were one of the votes originally, unvoted onto Iceguy, thus simply revoted here.

Om wrote:If you really are town as you say you are, you would have known it. But you didn't, so you're scum.

If she was scum, she wouldn't have mentioned it because she wouldn't have the role PM to see it...

Korlash · Post Post #699 (isolation #124) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:09 pm

YAY! I thought that would never end...

So, why are you still voting her then?

Korlash · Post Post #701 (isolation #125) » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:11 pm

This was fun... We should do this more often...

Korlash · Post Post #733 (isolation #126) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:11 am

I need a bunch of cutsie Korlash pictures... *sigh* that would be the good life...

Unvote:

I still don't like Iceguy as scum but I suppose I can look more into the new guy. And AD and Lucky are still on my list.

Korlash · Post Post #746 (isolation #127) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:29 pm

Vote: BRAN28

Still don't like the idea of voting Ice, and since Lucky and AD are too far off limits, only really acceptable vote for me at the moment.

I hate to admit it though, but PoE on Mal's wagon would suggest Ice is scum... that or I'm right and one or both of you are lying. Still not interested in his lynch though so you lot will have to do that without me. Perks of the status I suppose. *lounges in recliner* Someone bring me something cold to drink will you... yes... yes... That's nice...

Korlash · Post Post #748 (isolation #128) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:43 pm

If you say so.

Korlash · Post Post #750 (isolation #129) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:06 pm

If that's true, why do you feel the need to continue the conversation?

Korlash · Post Post #752 (isolation #130) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:20 pm

So? What do you care what I think if you're mod confirmed?

Korlash · Post Post #767 (isolation #131) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:22 am

Ice wrote:Is there somebody willing to hammer?

Sure, for the sake of the game I'll throw a hammer down on you if you don't claim in your next post. Om already robbed me of my patience for this sort of thing so please don't make me hammer a town read over something this stupid.

'Kay, thanks...

Korlash · Post Post #768 (isolation #132) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:32 am

ar-bee-ay-en-two-eight wrote:*grumble* rban would be better than Rban if you don't type it as RBAN. I have the sig for a reason.

Answering the question, the wagon comes from him being scummy. I got that impression from his iso.

You're going to hate me then mate... The urge to nickname you is already bubbling up inside me...

Anyway, You've essentially said nothing here. How is he scummy? What gave you that impression? I like specifics: Quotes, posts, actions, reactions, results, etc. A vague "He looks scummy guys" just suggests to me you didn't even read the ISO and are tacking on to an easy wagon. That or he actually is scum and you're his scum partner who KNOWS he is scum thus doesn't actually have to look.

This will bug me all night, which one is it? You can tell me... I can keep a secret...

Korlash · Post Post #770 (isolation #133) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:34 am

Explain your Delta hate earlier on in the game.

Korlash · Post Post #773 (isolation #134) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:42 am

Lucky wrote:well Ice guy is at l-1 so no one should vote I guess until he has completely finished defending himself.

No comment on his claim or what that implicates? *takes notes* *nods* What? Oh, nothing...

Korlash · Post Post #776 (isolation #135) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:58 am

RBAN28 wrote:@Korlash: I can't give any specifics because I have not read the thread yet. His iso in general looks scummy. If you looked at it, you would agree that in general Ice's iso looks bad. But for all I know his posts look fine when looked at in context, since looking at things in iso removes that context

So you joined a wagon, which is now at L-1, based on an ISO you yourself just said is likely wrong... You've come to the conclusion that the ISO makes him look scummy, but are unable to show where and why? You leave your vote on said wagon, even though the person has been threatened with a hammer, while admitting you haven't read the thread and believe that doing so may change your opinion of the person who is almost dead?

...

In my opinion saying his ISO looks bad but being unwilling to say why because you're afraid in context your reasoning would bee wrong suggests you care more about how you look coming out of this wagon than whether the person being hung is truly scum or not. Point out why you're voting him or admit your vote is unjustified and poorly placed. (And no, you can't use his claim as a reason since you voted long before that was made public)

Korlash · Post Post #777 (isolation #136) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:00 am

I have to run to work so I don't have the time to delve into the cache to comb through Iceguy's original posts against Delta. I'll do that when I get home, so I'd prefer if no one hammered until then.

Korlash · Post Post #783 (isolation #137) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:52 pm

In post 779, RBAN28 wrote:
Edit:
Forgot this at the end.

I have said something general. You are asking me to go into specifics about the general. You can't go into specifics about something general, as in doing so it stops being general.

This alone is what makes you so scummy... Of course I am asking you to go into specifics, that's the point! Scum don't want to go into specifics and want to remain 'general' so they can change their story later.

You say you've read his ISO and have came to a conclusion regarding your read on him. That means your read has been molded on tangible things, his posts. I have asked you to explain your reasoning behind thinking he is scum, you can do all sorts of things. Quote his posts, reference them, explain WHAT he did you feel is scummy, tell me when and where he did it so I can look at it myself.... etc... etc... etc...

If you read his posts and came to a conclusion based on them, then surely you can tell me what about those posts lead you to that conclusion.

Korlash · Post Post #784 (isolation #138) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:52 pm

Rainbows wrote:C'mon you can be Thor pony

Can I be Ironman pony instead? Or like, one of the X-Men ponies?

Korlash · Post Post #786 (isolation #139) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:04 pm

Iceguy wrote:His claim is fake. No more information for obvious reasons.

Iceguy wrote:As I said before, I'm not going to elaborate on why DW's claim is fake. This information is too valuable for scum.

Iceguy wrote:I obviously can't prove it wrong. Given my role PM, it's just highly unlikely his claim is not a fake claim.

Iceguy wrote:
AD wrote:Cuz you just painted a big red X on your face.

Yeah, I know that, but lynching scum D1 is worth it.

^- If you had said you were trying to draw a night kill Ice, I would have fought to keep you alive for that last quote alone...

Iceguy wrote:If it was taken as a counterclaim, this was not my intention.

But... Yeah... That wasn't the case it seems.

Tell ya what, before I hammer you will you tell us what this information you had that was so valuable to scum was? Also, what about your role suggested Delta was lying? Clocks ticking mate, because I guarantee you I'm the only one that even gives a rat's ass about you anymore.

Korlash · Post Post #787 (isolation #140) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:05 pm

...

...

CSL, I hate you forever now!
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

jk, just wanted to use that! =^____________^=

Korlash · Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:02 pm

... Why would you investigate AD over RBAN28?

Vote: RBAN28

For his "I'm scum" 779 post.

@ Magna: With two claimed and "mod confirmed" cops in the open I find it funny you hid your replacing in... lolololol.... You always make me laugh...

Korlash · Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:05 pm

Omnomnom wrote:One thing you need to know now is that I'm basically confirmed town, and so is Korlash and AD (I got Not Guilty on him).

Not guilty? Not guilty?...

So the mod fucked up with you twice?

What was the 'flavor' you got with AD?

Korlash · Post Post #806 (isolation #143) » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:10 pm

Rainbow wrote:But we are massclaiming today, with everything being as odd as it seems and quite a few claimed/dead PRs, I think its time do go ahead and do such.

Yeah, no thanks.

As odd as it seems? Yesterday you had 'confirmed and excluded' half the town, yet today, nothing having changed, you think things are odd?

Omnom wrote:@Korlash: No, the mod said Not Mafia this time. I just prefer to use Not Guilty when referring to cop results.

Also I haven't got flavor yet, VM said he wasn't really able to do the flavor just yet.

So you prefer to intentionally commit scum tells and sow suspicion on your 'fellow townies' as an important power role? weird...

Korlash · Post Post #809 (isolation #144) » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:41 pm

Omnom wrote:When was I doing that?

You said you got a result that you didn't actually get and when questioned on it you said it was intentionally done. Therefore, you have intentionally committed an act most commonly known to be perpetrated by scum which in turn causes suspicions of you to rise amongst some or all of the rest of us.

Rainbows wrote:All scum in Stark/MoI/Lucky/CSL/RBAN with reading CSL and Lucky has heavy town DOES seem a bit too easy. Two cops, both apparently with confirmed sanity too? I get the feeling there has to be at least one maipulator since there have been no RBed claims. If we know exactly what we have, we should have a better idea what we are looking at in return and how many of them (tailer, framer, GF) we should be expecting.

When things are too good to be true, they normally are. Also early massclaim are awesome. Ive decimated scum a couple times pulling that one.

Where was this thinking yesterday? Two cops existed then, and their sanities are no more confirmed now than they were then. (Short of the flip) I still don't see why you are classifying things as 'odd' when they haven't changed since yesterday. Did you feel things were 'odd' yesterday too?

And I understand the idea of early massclaims, but I fear this idea of yours has spawned from an anti-town mindset so I distrust it. (And to be clear, I mean anti-town mindset and not anti-town alignment. Don't mistake this as me calling you scum or anything. you could just as easily be misguided town here)

Korlash · Post Post #810 (isolation #145) » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:43 pm

Shit, I'm tired... Forgot this part:

EBWOP:

Why don't we all just forget about this massclaim idea until after iStark has claimed and we've reevaluated things?

Korlash · Post Post #812 (isolation #146) » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:54 pm

Omnom wrote:The result is basically the same regardless. I corrected myself later anyway. Why am I suspicious when I am confirmed town?

This is a game of mafia, the result is never 'basically the same'. It's either real, or fake (a lie) end of story. The fact we've already had this issue come up just makes it that much more unacceptable.

You corrected yourself after being called on it, that's tantamount to backpedaling and means nothing.

And you aren't 'confirmed town' you're just accepted as town because it's easy and you aren't going to be lynched anyways.

And before you ask, there exists a possibility (regardless of how likely or otherwise) in which you are scum fakeclaiming and the mod hasn't lied to us. Thus, since a possibility exists that you are scum and all things add up, you cannot be confirmed town as the definition of 'confirmed town' implies no possibility of you being scum exists. You are simply the most likely town at this point, nothing more and nothing less.

Korlash · Post Post #817 (isolation #147) » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:24 am

I'm sensing a bunch of undue hostility there iStark. You should work that out... Just between us though, exactly what about my recent posts has been fluff? I thought I was doing good... ;_;

I'll give Rainbow the first words here...

Omnom wrote:What role would I be if I was scum fakeclaiming? I don't think any scum roles recieve Not Mafia/Not guilty results. And I doubt there is an SK in this game.

I can think of three possibilities at the moment, along with two other scenarios that involve possibilities on the mod's side (I may have over-exaggerated one of these numbers, I'm too lazy to double check my math) but i have no real interest in throwing them out because it would serve no purpose. I don't want to cause undo suspicion on you over what amounts to guesses. I just want you to stop using "I'm confirmed town' as a crutch.

But since I know you'll want some hint, this is a cop themed game so assume the scum have cop themed roles. And if your first thought was 'scum cops wouldn't need to know who was guilty or not' don't bother throwing that back at me. That isn't the type of role I'm talking about.

Korlash · Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:36 am

Naw, I'm still against the mass claim right now. But I'm just one vote. If everyone else is down with it, cool beans. I'm not putting much faith in our power roles at the moment anyway.

@ iStark: can you more thoroughly claim? Actual role name, flavor, etc, etc, etc... And can you explain why you picked Omnom night one and Lopsy night two?

@ Lucky: Is that all you feel the need to say about today's proceedings? Maybe some comment on the claims or the idea of a massclaim perhaps?

@ Rainbow: Why is that 'way too much power'? And why did you ignore your own role when 'counting' it out?

Korlash · Post Post #827 (isolation #149) » Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:00 pm

See there-in lies one of my problems with this 'plan' of yours. In one post you seem to think we are all ready power heavy, yet in this new post you seem to imply you expect ANOTHER tracker to exist. Case in point:

Rainbows wrote:Using this, a "no result" means in an average game, there is only one pony per night that will return that as scum. If the game is excessively PR heavy there may be two active roles (or one passive) which substantiates this theory since its rarer for a GF to submit a kill over a goon by and large.

Our 'tracker' has all ready claimed, so a mass claim will provide no new results in which to get 'no results' so a mass claim for this intent is pointless.

rainbows wrote:If we get no more claims, with the addition of my role, all roles are probably true although it may be argueable that Stark is town, tracker is next to confirmed though as far as I am concerned and I side heavily with town even if I wouldnt have tracked OOTN night one.

And my problem with this is that we are all ready treating all of the claims as 'town' for the moment, aren't we? So a massclaim that results in this will not improve the game at all and will only serve to let the scum sleep more soundly tonight and in future nights.

so your calling for a massclaim doesn't seem to actually make a lot of sense. Combine that with your actions regarding iStark earlier, and the growing 'weirdness' of your role and I cannot abide the town actually following a plan you come up with for fear it's scum motivated.

I know you're going to ask so:

-with iStark you were 'so sure' you had something you not only partially revealed yourself, but actually seemed to fear he would be 'quicklynched' yet before he could even respond you abandoned it and called for a mass claim... wtf? How can you go from 'I think I have something' to 'I have nothing, let's massclaim' without even giving your first action time to pan out?

-We have two claims and two flips, none of which seem like 'weird' roles. Yet you claim to be a role, that is also a miller. Why combine the two roles? We could easily have both your role, and a miller, yet for some reason the mod seemed to deem it necessary to combine your role with a second ability.

Now don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying you should be lynched or even trying to suggest you ARE scum, but you have dropped to the least likely 'town' out of all the claims so far so and are suspicious enough that I can conclude this mass claim idea of yours is a bad idea.

Lets just stick to the assumption that all four of the claims are true for now, and we can overlook me and AD due to investigations. This should leave a scum pool of four people, with a likely TWO scum among them. That's an assumed 50-50 odds right there and I feel that is good enough to explore before diving into massclaim territory.

However, I do suggest we NOT hypocop today just in case reason to massclaim comes in the near future.

Korlash · Post Post #828 (isolation #150) » Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:02 pm

Lucky wrote:Actually let do a mass claim. I want to see what people claim in order to start figuring out things. I feel this is very risky but it might be helpful.

Yeah, my number 2 scum calling for the massclaim doesn't make me feel any better about it... But, in fairness. massclaim votes stands at 2 for and 1 against.

@MOD: Can we get the playerlist/casualties updated in post 3 please? I personally think this is more important than flavor at the moment. =D You're awesome BTW... Just thought you ought to know.

Korlash · Post Post #830 (isolation #151) » Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:10 pm

... Why say that? Why not just resay your result? I mean, you're making a post anyway... Why be intentionally dis-helpful?

I don't know... just seems like bad form...

Korlash · Post Post #832 (isolation #152) » Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:29 pm

Rainbow wrote:Tracker tracks a vanilla claim. Only reason im not 100% convinced stark is town is that he never tracked me.

Exactly, so why massclaim? Why not just have Lopsy claim? Sorry, MOI... And why would he track you? Wait... let him answer me first... I want to know why he tracked the others first... Come back to this later...

Rainbow wrote:There is a sorta chance that I just called out somepony who was in my scum pool (stark/rban/lopsy) about a night action with hope of getting lucky enough to have hit scum who did something and force a scramble.

That would make you no better than Ice and I would be forced to push your lynch on the same grounds... ;_;

rainbow wrote:First, I actually never have said I have an active ability on top of my miller aspect. I simply have been saying I may have an active ability on top of my miller action. Note this response is why you are obviously town in all of this, but all I am saying that is 100% concrete is that my role name does not have "miller" appear anywhere in it.

Your role name not being 'miller' implies you have Role X, and you have claimed to have the ability 'miller'. I think my phrasing was accurate and I apologize if you took it to mean I was implying something else. I don't understand how it makes me town but sure... Why not. The point is, given what you have claimed your role is 'weird' compared to 'town voyeur' and 'sane cop'.

rainbows wrote:I could get behind a lynch of rban at this point though. I just think a massclaim so we can put the right amount of weight behind the current claims is the best thing we can do at this point. Really we have proven scum has no RBer at this point, so we still get at least one track/cop out of all of this.

I still disagree. regardless of how the massclaim turns out (little or no new powers vs. lots of new powers) the weight behind the current claims isn't going to change all that much. So we may as well just continue the game as is until otherwise informed. (i.e. a wagon forces a claim, someone else claims an important result, town votes to mass claim, etc...)

Korlash · Post Post #839 (isolation #153) » Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:22 am

RBAN28 wrote:Apologies that I am not very invested in this game. I fully expected to be dead this morning. Since I lived it would appear I was roleblocked. That means that I will need to invest a little more into this game than I thought I needed to, and hopefully find the bastard who roleblocked me.

I read this as "I'm scum in a team of three so figured we would win soon anyway... guess I'll work on a fakeclaim..." Go ahead and make a claim so I can speed up your lynch.

For the record, only way RBAN28 is town is if Rainbows is scum. I prefer the other way around though. WooWoo! One scum caught!

@ Rainbow: I'll admit, part of the reason I was suspicious of you was the fact Delta never talked about another role. So you bringing it up was obviously something to look into. If you've come to the conclusion that me and iStark are 'likely town' due to our responses, who have you seen that would be 'likely scum' due to theirs? And lastly, since iStark has answered, why would he have targeted you last night?

Korlash · Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:41 pm

yeah he needs to die...

Burn him, burn him!

Korlash · Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:34 am

MOI wrote:Your premise is that the Mod confirmed both yourselves and Amrun as Town via posting inappropriately in thread and that confirms at least one more player (Korlash) and the game was not stopped at that point?

To be fair, it didn't confirm anyone. Since you seem to believe a setup nearly identical to what I think we have, I think you might be the only other person in this thread that understands that.

MOI wrote:No, as evidenced above.

No, as proven above. YOU had relevant information that caught scum (in this case, potentially multiple scum) so you claimed. That's one person... not EVERYONE. There was no need for everyone to claim, as proven from the fact we now have caught scum from one person claiming. ^^

MOI wrote:1. Why are you apologizing to me? I think pretty much everyone else has claimed at this juncture.
2. Given that Amrun died last night I think the odds are minimal that we have a Town protective role so we aren’t gaining anything IMO from not getting all claims out on the table.

1. I wasn't apologizing to you. It should read as "I'm sorry *I should have said* MOI" since Lopsy is no longer in the game... Perhaps I could have made that clearer...
2. We are limiting the amount of info the scum have when they make their kill tonight. That is something, regardless of how much you feel it amounts to. I'll take what I can get when we're 3 days into a game without a dead scum, thank you very much.

MOI wrote:I myself upon receiving my Role PM expected that scum has to have either a Godfather or Ninja style role (to foil the straight Cop investigations / the Voyeur and Followers respectively)and an information role (to keep a mass-claim of investigative roles from busting the set-up) at the minimum. So I don't expect to see a Tailor in the set-up as that's very weak defense against the Voyeur and Follower.

I agree with this nearly 100%. I personally believe the scum would have two investigation proof scums, one for each investigation 'subclass'. I also think the scum would likely have a role cop, and yes... I may have theories as to who owns that role...

MOI wrote:Well he claimed to be roleblocked. Here's the question of the Day - why would scum have specifically rolelblocked Rban over either of the claimed Cops? Unless I missed him claiming a protective role between page 5 and the current day's posting I can't see any reason for scum to have randomly targetted someone who hadn't claimed. Unless of course your premise is that Om isn't a Town Cop and thus wasn't in jeapordy. Is that your line of thinking?

This is why we need to lynch RBAN...* The only reason he would be RBed is if the scum were trying to hide the fact they had a RB by not using it on someone obvious. (or, that is my theory on it at least) by not RBing the cop, they push a mislynch, head into LYLO, RB the cop, then push his lynch on the basis the scum 'can't' have a RB and he is lying.

It's a dumb theory, which is why I'm fairly certain RBAN will flip scum. (that and I disbelieve we have non-investigation roles)

* - (As in, lynch him over iStark given the situation we are in)

AD wrote:Please note that I'm ruling you out being scum because I'm not sure why'd you'd claim when Rban most likely would be lynched.

really? The fact he proved someone OTHER than RBAN is scum isn't a reason? what about the fact he endorsed a mass claim? I don't get why you felt the need to post this obviously flawed statement...

Korlash · Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:37 am

Damn... Lopsy never hypoclaimed..

@ MOI: Why did you target RBAN28 last night? Did you receive any flavor with your result?

Korlash · Post Post #858 (isolation #157) » Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:15 pm

AD wrote:Well played.

I must say that I detects le coaching in the scum QT.

Are you saying the scum have day talk? Hmmm *scratches chin* now why do you know this and I don't...

Korlash · Post Post #860 (isolation #158) » Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:27 pm

Well, Day talk is less likely statistically. Suggesting it without due cause is always a sign you may know more than the rest of us do.

What makes you think iStark had an ability over RBAN again? hmmmm?

Korlash · Post Post #862 (isolation #159) » Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:04 pm

That isn't terrible thinking. Although, if he doesn't have a role then there would be no risk in him fakeclaiming since he would know RB had 'nothing'.

Spitting into her face would have made it a he said she said and guaranteed a 50% chance he got lynched.

But that's all speculation, like I said it's not terrible thinking on your part. I don't think it's very likely the scum have a framer though, but that's just my own thinking coming through.

Korlash · Sun May 13, 2012 4:56 am

Set-up wasn't terrible. What was the mod error that forced you to add in a second cop? At that point I would have given the goon investigation immunity, but other than that seemed fine. In a game where the theme is cops I like the idea of the majority of us being vanilla... Unexpected and makes us all more paranoid (thus putting our eyes on each other)

@ Town: WOOHOO! I never lost faith in you at all... Never... Om was all like "whoa, we're gunna lose" and Questionverb was all "Heck yeah we're gunna lose" but I was like "nu-uh! We have great awesome players that will win us the-" wait what? They can see the dead QT? Oh... damn... >.> <.< *runs away*

But no seriously, great job by RD to catch the flaw in the scum's plan and nice try by AD (although, next time don't mention you are "BP" and were "afraid you were going to be killed" in the same post... Kinda makes it obvious you are lying...)

Good try MoI but iStark should have been the one to survive since your flip improved his own claim(sorta) but his didn't do a lot to yours.

Korlash · Tue May 15, 2012 1:43 am

The problem with force replacing Amrun at that point was that the mistake wasn't caught 'immediately'. If you send the wrong PM and catch it immediately, yeah you say "sorry mate, have to replace you, my bad." simple fix. But Am had already been in the game for nearly an entire day. She had physically all ready affected the game while under the impression of her role. To replace her at that point wouldn't have been 'fair' to her and wouldn't have fixed the 'corruption'.

I still think it would have been proper to just up and give the goon investigation immunity at that point. Setup would have been more balanced and that specific mod error would have been at least... contained.

No way to fix the answering questions in thread. Treat that as a learning experience.

Korlash · Tue May 15, 2012 6:40 am

Ha, you almost broke a single bone? I can do way better than that! Watch... *jumps off roof*

But no, seriously V2V, all you need is some friendly company to cheer you up. Try some of these an I'm sure you'll get some:

Baby, you must be an engineer because you've converted my floppy disk into a hard drive!

Or, if you're feeling frisky:
Hey baby, YouTube MySpace and I'll google your yahoo!

But, regardless of how you fell just remember mate,

I you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the precipitate!

Korlash · Thu May 17, 2012 9:09 am

Om wrote:If you really had a brain you would have killed me over Korlash any day, and you wouldn't have considered killing RD instead of me.

Except I wouldn't have needed an investigation to catch him... *cough*

And what do you mean 'not even considered'? I think that alone would qualify as not having a brain. Keeping a cop alive is always a good thing to consider as scum since it's unexpected and thus could potentially lead to a victory...

I'm a little disappointed this wasn't a team run 'plan' but more of a thing that just 'came about'. I think if you guys had discussed it a little more it might have become obvious which of you needed to live. Still, being unable to claim 'rb' late game would most likely have still lead to your downfall...

I am curious, why did MoI get a vanilla town read on RD?

Korlash · Thu May 17, 2012 9:14 am

Hoopla wrote:I don't know what happened with the mod confirming the Cops, so I can't comment much beyond the cosmetic, but given you have two PR's to find the Cops, a chance of having them be forced to claim upon being wagoned D1, and then a chance that they might counterclaim one another, one not be believed, or just get lucky with a shot N1 (with no Doc), or even them hitting the Miller - there is plenty of safety built into the setup for you to have safely eliminated both Cops before they PoE the game.

This ^ You can't judge the setup purely on how it turned out. I do think flipping the cops as 'sane cop' was a bad move as it robs the idea of sanity which scum should have been able to use. So that seems to be the only setup flaw.

And I still argue the cop wasn't mod confirmed since the presence of a role cop explained it way. He could have just as easily confirmed you MoI (had you fakeclaimed cop) and we'd be the ones whining about it.

Hoopla wrote:I don't know what happened in this game, but if the Cops were confirmed by the mod (how did this happen?) then that sucks for scum - maybe it would have been easier if that didn't happen.

One cop had gotten the wrong type of result and the mod corrected it in thread instead of via pm. An accepted form of confirmedness that confirmed one of them and by default their results...

Korlash · Thu May 17, 2012 9:25 am

Now we're getting into weird speculation. Ignoring the suspicion a claimed miller gets (and got) in this type of setup, there still existed a chance of the cops wasting investigations on said miller to test sanity or to test their own claim.

I can agree taking site meta into setup creation is important, but then if you give the role to someone who doesn't know site meta it backfires and your setup suddenly goes askew. To completely biased you should base the setup on the role itself, not how 'most people' choose to use it. And conventional wisdom should consider miller to be a negative on a cop...

Korlash · Thu May 17, 2012 9:30 am

Hoopla wrote:My conclusion: more scum need to start fakeclaiming Miller D1.

Aye, if a scum had fakeclaimed miller day one and lasted until the cop screw up, the symmetry of two millers and two cops would likely have confirmed said scum. When the first scum died and flipped as 'sane cop' it might even have added in speculation of a cop based miller, i.e. one miller is for the sane cop, one for the insane. (would die once second cop dies but still...)

RD wrote:Also its probably a fair point from me to say im not sure exactly how the cops got confirmed. Just seemd like everypony thought they did so I just let it go since if they were it was just going to make them all that much harder for scum to get away dealing with.

As if I didn't like you enough already... =D

Hoopla wrote:For sure. I wouldn't design a setup with two Cops and not give them a GF or maybe a RB, but I don't think it was overwhelming. Did any VT's get confirmed by a Cop or was there GF speculation on an innocent? That seems like a pretty obv play from a scum perspective - keep the innocent alive.

Me and AD both. There was GF speculation but once the cop was killed over the 'tracker' it was obvious a GF didn't exist.

Korlash · Thu May 17, 2012 9:32 am

Korlash wrote:Aye, if a scum had fakeclaimed miller day one and lasted until the cop screw up, the symmetry of two millers and two cops could likely have confirmed said scum. When the first cop died and flipped as 'sane cop' it might even have added in speculation of a cop based miller, i.e. one miller is for the sane cop, one for the insane. (would die once second cop dies but still...)

Sorry... I'm uh, doing laundret at the moment... >.> *cough* have a bit of a cough... You're seeing things *waves hand*

Korlash · Thu May 17, 2012 10:16 am

Then you're not arguing miller claiming as a general rule, but as a personal trait... That would confuse a lot of people. Was a bit unfortunate replacing into that slot I suppose.

Korlash · Thu May 17, 2012 7:20 pm

Define likely chance of investigating me... You can't use this one singular game as evidence to suggest a pattern. I can think of many situations where I wouldn't fear the cop investigating me, so leaving them alive to distract the discussion is a great move. I can think of times when 'risking' it would be worth it too. Like if there are two nights left and no possible reason I would survive into LYLO. I leave the cop alive the night before so I can kill him going into LYLO and explain me not being the night-kill. Sure, he can investigate me and I lose, but it could easily be worth the risk.

I can tip the scales in my favor during the day prior to night to keep the cop from investigating me as well. It isn't fool proof, but if I plan to let him live I certainly can influence who he thinks is scum during the day.

And of course don't forget that just getting a guilty on me doesn't spell my doom. Hell, I nearly got the last cop with a guilty on me mislynched, so I could easily foresee times when I PLAN to let a cop investigate me just to mislynch him the following day. In a MYLO situation, letting a cop get a guilty on you is easily the best way for a strong player to win the game. It puts the game into a 1v1 scenario with the cop doing exactly what scum would do in that situation. And if you plan according beforehand you can have an escape route already setup.

An outed cop is just as easily a tool for the scum to use as it is for the town to use. Understanding rules like that is the key to being a great and creative player.