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I'm gonna preface this by saying that I am in one of the foulest moods I have been in for a long fucking while and it has nothing to do with this game. I am pissed the fuck off about other shit.
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In post 32, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:In post 29, T S O wrote:It just feels rather jarring.
pssst.
hey tso.
THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE THOSE WERE ALL AP. HOW CAN YOU NOT TELL THAT....
i will fucking quote this shit later.
In post 34, T S O wrote:Why did you egopost if your hydra is in the game and you'd already seen the hydra post?
So it will show up.... in my egosearch. ya know. the button that says "view your posts" and it shows a list of all the topics you have posted in? If I don't post here from my main account, then it doesn't fucking show up.
Also awestfie is scum. dat defense yo.
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In post 53, ZZZX wrote:Mine are mainly GG / Heartless
yep. I'd guess either us or Heartless were veto'd.
If I were scum I'd def veto Heartless. <3
Only ones I know here are ZZZX, Heartless, and TSO.
In post 27, T S O wrote:Do you think it was a complete coincidence that the series of events occured:
Head 1 of the hydra posts.
Head 2 posts less than a minute later.
Head 1 expresses surprise.
Do you think it just so happened that the two of them randomly came on within a minute of each other?
What is your opinion on post #13?
None of that happened lol... AP was fucking around. My first post in the thread entirely was my egopost.
In post 51, awestfie wrote:We aren't quick-lynching, at all; it would only hurt town and; this game can easily be won, just by having solid town-reads. I'm really not liking your posts, so far; and I don't have to point at them; because I genuinely just don't like any of your posts, up to this point.
You need to get the stick out of your ass and figure out what is clearly not serious and what is. I am likely to be the serious one, and I pretty much always sign my posts, so if you have a problem reading AP, you can talk to me.
In post 38, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:TSO is town I guess. I cant see a scummy getting their panties all in a bunch over what he is getting his bunched up over.
Agreed, AP.
In post 39, awestfie wrote:Yeah, I'm clearly defending when I say it's not an alignment-tell when it clearly isn't. Bad post.
TSO says "dey so scummies!!" and you go, "Meh, it's not alignment indicative." It IS a defense, if a soft one. And for the record, calling something "bad post" doesn't make you any better at the game than us.
Yes we are and no he's not. You're town on my list so far though, good job.
In post 44, Josh_B wrote:This game is going to be too easy.
VOTE: No Lynch
The chosen cannot be night killed. If the chosen make it to the last 4 players in the game, the town wins.
I don't even have to kill a single scum, so long as I don't lynch a chosen. Who wants to help me AUTOWIN?
Hey awestfie!^ This is a bad post. Why did you not comment on it other than to cite the wiki? Do you not see what he's doing?
ZZZX, TSO town reads so far. Eagerly awaiting a Heartless post
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In post 57, ZZZX wrote:Who do you think would veto you and why?
Anyone who knows us (Antihero, TSO, you, and apparently anyone else here who knows AP) and for the reason that AP is not only a good scumhunter, but a very strong player who can easily lead the game, and as Anti has put it in the past "who the herd will follow". Personally, I think I'm a fairly decent scumhunter, and AP and I work pretty well together. I don't know the last time either of us actually made it to LYLO as town.
I don't think lynching the person that most people think has been veto'd is a good strategy at all. I think scumhunting is a good strategy. I don't disagree that the person most likely to be veto'd is a "safer" lynch, but I do think this is a last resort kind of condition when evaluating who to lynch for the day.
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In post 63, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:In post 61, Heartless wrote:my first impression is that I don't trust Guilty Gunsmith.
lol... alright. I'll bite.
Why?
p-edit: Just pretend the other game doesn't exist and never existed. Don't even mention it.
woops. and so it begins.
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In post 68, T S O wrote:And you wonder why I'm so often derisive to you.
Are you just beating him over the head for the sake of it or do you think this thing he does all the time (based on what you're saying) is alignment indicative?
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In post 70, T S O wrote:I have a theory where if I constantly point it out he may actually correct it.
good luck with that! lmao... I have given up on trying to change anyone. And he's not as terrible as some.
In post 71, T S O wrote:This question about "who would YOU veto gaiz" is really bad and has no advantages.
meh. I wouldn't say it's really bad, and I wouldn't say it has no advantages, but I would say that the manner in which he went about it is not the usual useless question type thing he does as scum (see Organic Chemistry).
I've got a fairly decent townread on him at the moment for the fact that he seems interested in the answers, rather than just making town noises. Know what I mean?
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In post 85, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:In post 84, T S O wrote:oh there we go.
Flubber, what would you grade your reading comprehension out of 10?
TSO ily, have I told you that lately?
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i think this is the right account now. what have i done to myself....
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Anti if I was going to manipulate you, I'm pretty sure TTH would be just as susceptible because #clone lol... And anyway it's clear she's not sure of us, and has no idea how to read AP. That's ok. I trust you to get it. Unless you're scum. In which case I'm sure we will die tonight.
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In post 118, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:In post 117, Heartless wrote:oh hey everybody, i'm here!
also, i'm not signing my posts, deal with it.
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In post 116, Heartless wrote:Because I think AP really comes off as the guy at the party who's trying to be funny and cute,
Anti, your sister called me cute!!!
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Flubber calling ZZZX a chosen Townie is really out of the blue and I don't like it. I am not even remotely considering who may or may not be right now and him speculating on it is weird at best, scum at worst. I could see scum having it on their mind and talking about it. Its too wifomy to bother reading into, but I dislike that he is speculating on it to begin with.
His case on you involved this speculation and it was just a really bad case all things considered. I dislike his general lack of direction, he took back his case apparently after some technicality and doesn't seem to have any real interest in things in this thread.
EtL is currently sitechatting me to inform me that Im a dumbass and that ZZZX is town, so I guess I'll just twiddle my thumbs and look pretty instead of saying things that will confirm me as a moron.-
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In post 145, T S O wrote:I really, really dislike 142.
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In post 148, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:lol... you have to turn it on in display preferences. AP quote me. I'm going to go play league.-
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In post 179, Heartless wrote:
In post 170, Heartless wrote:guilty gunsmith is almost there. i see flashes of town from etl. (post 55 is a good example here). i wouldn't vote them either.
Really? I remain very skeptical and I think your internet crush on ETL is clouding your judgement.
Let's talk about this some more. This is very interesting to me
ETL, what are your current thoughts because I'm having more trouble followingyouthan Antihero (and you're disappointed in him?).
In order to get a handle on your slot, I need to interact with Anti because I can read him very well. If he doesn't interact with me, I have a harder time reading him. He didn't even acknowledge me, even though I was right there, posting at the same time. That's very disappointing.
In any case, I am an open book. So ask whatever you need to.
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In post 179, Heartless wrote:Really? I remain very skeptical and I think your internet crush on ETL is clouding your judgement.
And your denial of your crush on me, clouds your judgement ; )
In all seriousness I'm giggling over here at all these hilarious posts.-
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In post 188, Lying Cat wrote:Shut up jingle, you're lucky to even be here. Go read the setup; I'm quizzing you on it tomorrow.
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In post 186, Wickedestjr wrote:Lying Cat (Jingle + sthar8) has replaced Corrino! Please welcome them.
holy shit this game just became AMAZING
JINGLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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In post 189, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:Also antihero you guys are so town Idk why etl thinks otherwise
I'm not giving them a pass until I get a chance to talk to Anti.
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In post 194, T S O wrote:It kinda saddens me I'm not scum with LC, but hey.
So whoareyou scum with?
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In post 199, T S O wrote:what are your thoughts on bbt? do you think it was a chainsaw defence? a white knight? something else?
I have no idea what you're talking about. Chainsaw of who on who? White knight on who from who? I swear I've read the thread. I just don't remember seeing anything like these things.
I am currently working on collecting town reads. AP is doing the waffling. It is a good system. Any scum reads I currently have are peripheral. At the moment, BBT is one of them, yes (though not for those reasons...).
So far, I have town as {swifty, TSO, ZZZX}
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In post 201, T S O wrote:I was calling Josh scum.
BBT came in and attacked me for voting Josh.
It begins at post #142.
Itsoundslike a chainsaw to me, but I'd really rather not make those kind of associative judgements until one of them flip. I have BBT scummy independently of anyone else. AP has Josh B as scum and I don't know why, but I trust him. JB is certainly not a town read of mine, so that vote is ok with me for now.
I added post tags to your quote so I can click it cuz I'm that lazy
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Mk.. some selective examination from that post # :
In post 142, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:So because someone says 'Hey, scum is x,y or z' you feel the need to vote one of those three choices? You can't make your mind up for yourself? You don't think scum exists outside of those three people?
So, AP said, "here's who we think are scum", TSO goes, "Yeah I could see JB, but not the other two. Can you explain?" and follows with a vote. BBT comes in and criticizes TSO for being a sheep. In this particular case, it is a good point, and something I did notice, but my overwhelming townread on the slot (TSO) currently overpowers that singular item. Will file away for further analysis later if necessary. Looking at this post in that light doesn't really make this seem like a chainsaw, but I suppose it could be a response to the specific vote and not the act of sheeping.
AP then explains the other two, as requested, and TSO responds to BBT's request to discuss why TSO/Flubber is not a viable partnership. First of all, why would you ask someone you think is scum to explain why they aren't partners with someone? It's not a stupid question, but it's directed at the wrong person. TSO's response could easily be interpreted as scummy, since it inherently comes off as defensive and distance-y but being that it was prompted by BBT, I'm inclined to disregard the answer entirely.
I also like his response to her second point about "voting x/y/z", though not as much as the other stuff he's posted.
So that is the extent of the interaction, as I see it. I come away from this with less of a townread on TSO to be honest, and more affinity for 142, which I initially didn't like on gut.
Does that answer your question, TSO?
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In post 205, T S O wrote:Why are you independently scumreading BBT?
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In post 208, T S O wrote:well, yeah, I guess we just view the posts completely differently so.
what part of my TSO-Flubber explanation did you have a problem with again?
I looked at it again - I still don't see what you say you see.
I explained why it was a bad explanation. Any explanation from one person about why they are themselves NOT partners with some other person is going to be bad, no matter what is said. It's a self defense, and it wasprompted by BBT's question. It's one of those loaded questions that have no right answer and just make anyone sound scummy. The point is that the response is null because of this. Whether BBT intended it that way or not is another question that cannot be answered by just looking at that single post. Her motivation should be determinable via the whole of her posts. I'm working on it.
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Spoiler: quoting all slips because we are a bad hydra
In post 235, T S O wrote:In post 225, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:TSO - my intention was never to insult you but I am having a really hard time understanding what your confusion is and I don't know how else to explain it any better.
My problem, to sum it up, is that I feel that even though you justified the statement with "inherently it looks scummy" I still feel you -also- thought it was a poor answer, regardless of the stupidity of the question.
I'll admit I could be wrong here, but that was just how I saw it.
Ok, so, I don't think it was a poor answer. I don't think anyone in the world would be able to answer that question in a way thatdidn'tsound scummy. I don't really have any evaluation of the answer, because it's tainted by the question being focused on the wrong person.
You don't ask the person you're suspecting to tell you why they can't be partners with someone. You ask other people why or why not.
Like, for instance: If someone provides a defense to you out of nowhere, regarding why they couldn't possibly be partners with X, your first thought would be "Oh they are definitely partners with X", regardless of whether it's true or not. So, by asking you why you aren't partners with Flubber, BBT elicited from you this defense that would in turn make anyone reading it in isolation think, "Oh he's definitely partners with Flubber". So the answer itself is null due to the nature of the question.
Get it?
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In post 243, Lying Cat wrote:@AP are you townreading BBT?
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In post 223, Lying Cat wrote:(am I allowed to call you 'kiddo' now that you know it's not a pejorative or attack on your credibility? It really is a term of endearment from me, but I won't use it if you don't like it)
Heh. The funny thing is I can see myself calling people that in an endearing way now. To me, anyone under 21 deserves the label. Hell, even people who are under 23 are still not jaded and old fucks.
Your townread on TSO needs reevaluation.
In post 240, T S O wrote:Because I wanted to know why specifically you thought the answer was bad and it felt like you were kinda snaking out of it.
EtL specifically said that she couldn't fathom agoodanswer to that question and called it a loaded question. Personally, I think you are taking pages out of my scumbook and just being an argumentative scumbag for the sake of being an argumentative scumbag right now.
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Townies: GG, Lying Cat, AntiHeart, Swifty
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In post 253, T S O wrote:why exactly would I argue over nonsense as scum and not town?
jajajajaja. I wish zMuffinMan were here so we could be smug together. But seriously, does this deserve an answer?
In post 253, T S O wrote:and how does me and Josh make sense as a scumteam?
Partially PoE, because I feel confident about many reads.
Partially that you are both jumping through hoops to distance from each other. All this hoopla about your past meta and whether or not you dislike Josh as a person; none of the posts on this topic really made sense to me in emotional context so I really think it could be a ploy to distance. Further, you keep trying to pin BBT/Josh together as a thing by saying that BBT was chainsaw defending Josh which is a pretty big reach and conceited at best, scum at worst.-
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In post 254, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:jajajajaja
Oops, this isn't my Spanish site.
Also this has all been AP
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