UNI MUM Mafia (Day 3, Stay Gold Pony)

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/confirm

Also, I hate you, Dramonic.

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And all of you, PMuch.

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VOTE: Mass Flop for not hating Dramonic.

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Can anyone tell me what this is?

Python eating an elephant, obviously...

Or a sheep. It might be a sheep.

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This is already a fun game...

P.S. I still hate you, Dramonic.

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I've got a gut-read.

VOTE: Jeanne

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Jeanne is a gut-scum read for me.

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Jeanne is a gut-scum read for me.

Just gut?

Mostly because I can't bother to do more reading than just skimming. This'll go on til probably like Tuesday, because 3 days is usually when RVS ends, and when I actually start reading. Yes, I know this isn't RVS, but my mind won't read for a couple days.

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I'm disappointed. You guys are actually town-reading me even though I admitted I was PMuch active-lurking.

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That seems to be it, as she's voted Elbirn and 3dice

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Well shit. I reread and both 3dice and Jeanne are scummy AF

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Well shit. I reread and both 3dice and Jeanne are scummy AF

How so?

Well shit. I reread and both 3dice and Jeanne are scummy AF

Jeanne is a gut-scum read for me.

Just gut?

Mostly because I can't bother to do more reading than just skimming. This'll go on til probably like Tuesday, because 3 days is usually when RVS ends, and when I actually start reading. Yes, I know this isn't RVS, but my mind won't read for a couple days.

What happened to this?

I told you, 3dice. I reread the thread.

As for how come? They are both acting remarkably the same. Both are trying to mix content with insults.

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I'm pretty sure dram saw through my thinly-veiled attempt to roll scum and gave me miller instead

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tn and sharky read town to me. idk about jeanne. 3dice is slightly scummy.

I'm disappointed. You guys are actually town-reading me even though I admitted I was PMuch active-lurking.

In my opinion, this is the worst post in the thread so far

VOTE: diamond

I think you have balls for admitting to lurking this early, so yes, I'm town-lean on you, Diamond.

nope nope nope nope nope

In my opinion, this is the worst post in the thread so far.

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Well, all I can say, is you're defending yourself too, so why are we scummy for defending ourselves?

Nah. I'm not defending myself. I doubt I'll get lynched, and even so, I'm just going to be honest: it's not a huge loss.

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VOTE: DiamondSentinel

Calls out Jeanne and I for mixing insults with content.

Does the same thing a post later.

Haha. No. You see, I'm not mixing content and insults. My insults are strictly separate from my content.

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Post 305 says you are. You're attacking someone who scum-reads you, same as me. Given that, how am I scum and you aren't?

I couldn't care less if he votes me. You evidently do. I'm merely pointing out that his credibility (which is non-existent as its his first post for a while) is going down the drain.

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@Jeanne: you never told me if I should stop voting Sharky or not.

@DS: how are insults mixed with content indicative of scum, as opposed to being a snarky or agressive play style?

Well, it's not strictly, but since they are acting the same way, and I'm scum-reading one, it follows that the other is also scummy.

PEdit: It was partial snark, partial me commenting on how he's making another shitty miller claim. To be honest, all these miller claims are ridiculous, and making me lose interest in the game. We should lynch each and every one of them.

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Okay, so how do I prove I am town?!

Hmm, you don't. Or you get lynched. That's what sucks about miller.

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Ok, I'm betting 3dice and Jeanne are both scum. No way this was TvT, and it seems to rehearsed for TvS

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Too*

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Interesting. Max 3 votes. On DS. Because...people don't like something he said earlier?

Happens, oh, EVERY GAME. But it's fine. I won't get lynched. Probably.

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I missed errants original miller claim, thus thinking he was the third. I thought that dice and Jeanne were the other miller claims. Still think that they are scum. Not sure about Errant, but really unimpressed by him thus far.

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Dice and Errant, iirc

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Well, I mean, it does on the internet, but that's beside the point. I'm almost 100% sure that Dice claimed Miller

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Not sure if I've missed something

Or DS' reading comprehension blows ass-water

*squinty face*

The second. DS, you might want to rereread.

I will tomorrow morning. Too late for this right now.

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3dice feels sorta similar to the game where he was my scumpartner but I don't know his town game so I'm not gonna do anything on that front.

Well shit. I reread and both 3dice and Jeanne are scummy AF

Talk about going for the easy targets.
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That post is just... WOW. So ridiculously stupid.

"I have someone who I think is scum, and there's someone else who also thinks that they're scum, but the scummy person is an easy target (even though I think they might be scum) so I'm going to vote the person scumreading them."

Get the fuck out of here.

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@Davsto

"He's acting like the game that he was scum in" is essentially a scumread.

PEdit: Miller isn't explicitly bastard. Bastard typically entails like, say, telling a mafia they have no teammates when in fact they do, or not telling a cop/doctor they are insane/cpr doctor.

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Game no is bastard.

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"He's acting like the game that he was scum in" is essentially a scumread.

3dice feels sorta similar to the game where he was my scumpartner

but I don't know his town game so I'm not gonna do anything on that front.

"I don't know his town game" equates to "I don't actually know jack about his meta so it's probably meaningless", or at least that's how it was attended to come across.

Well, if you're saying that, then don't comment on it at all because all it will do is confuse people. I'm still reading you as scum, but for different reasons now.

It seems like you're trying to leave an opening for backpedaling if he does get lynched. In my eyes, the synopsis goes, "He might be scum, but if he ends up being town, don't say it's my fault"

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RolePlay, can you please stop posting like that? It's essentially shitposting and I don't like lynching shitposters but at some point I have to.

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Yeah, just lynch me. I'm terrible at the game and my role is useless. Hell, I might even self-hammer.

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Yeah, just lynch me. I'm terrible at the game and my role is useless. Hell, I might even self-hammer.

DS, this isn't going to help you get any better.

I was handed what usually is a shitty role in Suikoden (make all votes private and pm mod for 24 hours) as town along with messages. Jeanne and I worked together to utilize our abilities for the best town use.

If you're town, do not just say you suck. I may be wrong on my reads right now. You know this from the open game we finished. Take some time to think. There must be an optimal use for your role. Mods don't give useless roles. The game is balanced.

If you're scum, keep whining.

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Please. It was your vote that made me do that. Also, the open game is over?

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Please stop AtE if you are town diamond. It muddies the water so much for me.

If that muddies the water, then you're a really shit Mafia player.

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I'm letting myself die because all anybody ever does is insult my reads and playstyle and never bothers to offer an alternative.

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I'm letting myself die because all anybody ever does is insult my reads and playstyle and never bothers to offer an alternative.

So? I don't really know what insults you think people have directed at you, but I do know that their insults aren't a reason to let your slot die. You're being unproductive and bringing stupid drama into the thread. If you're town, get over yourself and go fucking scumhunt. It's D1, nobody has ANY strong reason to vote anyone else, just stop sucking and be useful, that way even if they DO lynch you, you'll have actually given us material to work for tomorrow.

Jeanne, that kinda goes for you too, until you reach L-2 AT LEAST I wouldn't worry about the chance of getting lynched at this point.

Anyways, ths is all useless crap we're talking about here. I still want a response from LH about their decision to dislike Elbirn over the miller thing.

I made the suggestion that we lynch one or both millers, which others have also said, and somehow I'm the one not helping? Yeah, if that's how you're going to be I might as well not even play.

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Something about your writing is given me a headache because you are shitposting.

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Not that anyone seems to care, but 278 was more a joke as I was nearly lynched in AvF for that...

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I'm not sure if it was a serious survey, so I'm not sure if I'm going to answer it...

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So don't read if you don't want to see an idle rant.

Spoiler: Bored Mid-Game Rant

Y'know, the more I think about it, the more I'm a bit mad. I figured UPick was a good way to start an interesting Role Madness game, but after looking at your story (and making some assumptions on it), I feel like Dramonic didn't even try for this one. Some people undoubtedly tried to take advantage of the UPick system (I'd estimate like 3, at least), but I gave an idea that I honestly thought he'd make something interesting with, and he didn't even try here. I'm not going to claim yet, but yeah. Just idle ranting.

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Well, I'm assuming you sent Krueger, and were fishing for either scum or vigilante, tbh. And then knowing Dramonic, he probably gave you some sort of role that needed to be empowered, since he had quite a few in GoD mafia.

I doubt if you were indeed fishing for scum he would give you it.

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Ah, interesting.

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Still busy with holiday stuff...

But it's occurred to me that Diamond might be Vengeful, or Saulus, or Judas, or Jester, or something like that.

I should be more into the game tomorrow night.

Have a good one, everybody!!

HA! I wish I was vengeful. But no, Dramonic gave me something worse than any role you could possibly dream...

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Are we mass-claiming?

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I mean, my role isn't strictly negative... It's just that it's not really positive either.

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Agent, you literally quoted the post. Why would his mind jump to explanations for Diamond's behavior that did not involve him being a member of the mafia? Because he knows that diamond is not a member of the mafia, but acknowledges his behavior is scummy. It is attempting to solve our puzzle - but with a piece of information the town does not have.

If I'm correct, those are all roles that benefit from being lynched. Mafia does not benefit from being lynched. Kling made the comment because of the way Diamond is responding to pressure.

Finally someone else recognizes how stupid RolePlay is being.

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When I'm voting on someone, the person I'm voting is not always a super scum read. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. I usually like to put my foot out somewhere and work from there. (as I did with jeanne)

Then, agent, I shall give you the grade "mostly useless". Vote sharky and you can avoid super useless.

Why are you voting sharky?

Because sharky pointed out how RolePlay's logic is fundamentally flawed and now RP wants to silence him.

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I'm liking itlepip's show so far, all though I'm a bit apprehensive.

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So, Cererbus reminds me how I played my first games (with the whole I hate D1 stuff) so I'll keep a good eye on his posts, since I'm probably most qualified to analyze this sort of stuff.

Jeanne, if you have something to say but you can't say it, DONT HINT AT IT. That'll just make scum want to kill you.

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So, Cererbus reminds me how I played my first games (with the whole I hate D1 stuff) so I'll keep a good eye on his posts, since I'm probably most qualified to analyze this sort of stuff.

Jeanne, if you have something to say but you can't say it, DONT HINT AT IT. That'll just make scum want to kill you.

Hmm. Based on what you've said about things in the game, I *think* the way I approach the game is very different than yourself. I hate D1 because my primary way of playing isn't effective here. I read games and watch people's behaviors and stances as the game goes on, from the mindset of "is this or that behavior, or that set of behavior, something I can reasonably see a rational scum slot do, taking into account all previous events/. Do these kills make sense, does pushing this person make sense, does voting this person while pressuring this person make sense, what scenarios can I construct in my mind to MAKE these behaviors make sense, do those scenarios seem more or less likely, etc. Have they been consistent in the narrative they've been telling the game, do the departures from said narrative logically follow the situation they're in. I don't vote for someone until I've established a preponderance of evidence establishing them as far more likely to be scum than town, based on those prior standards. It must be the case that circumstances exist such that it requires multiple things which are unlikely to occur be true in order for the slot to be the opposite of whatever conclusion I arrive at.

Unfortunately, there simply isn't enough context for actions on D1 to establish a confident position like that on someone. It's all throwing shit at the wall and hoping one of the scum is really really bad. So, unless someone obviously contradicts themselves, I don't establish strong positions on anyone, until we have the standard 2 flips from the lynch and nk...and then I can go back and reread with the benefit of that knowledge.

Anyways. Jeanne, I agree with the suspicion of Roleplay based on his wishy washy voting spree. , he seems willing to vote for anyone who attracts the hive minds attention (all low hanging fruit), but I don't believe this is scum behavior. He's drawing pointless attention to himself by constantly changing votes, and I don't that as a benefit to competent scum.

That's exactly how I play. I do terribly on D1 because I see nothing worth commenting on, or at least nothing that sticks.

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Also, @itlepip I have reasons for the things I have said (no matter how shitty they seem), and they are decent reasons.

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Also, @itlepip I have reasons for the things I have said (no matter how shitty they seem), and they are decent reasons.

Look, I can't respond to this other than trying to guess what your reasons are, which is probably scummy, so I'm not sure what to tell you. I will say based on past experience that you are overconfident in your gambits, and you probably should focus more on finding scum than worrying about claiming.

It's not a gambit. I just have things that I'm revealing right now because *reasons*

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Also, google Vi Graythorn, then you'll know.

"were born into the secret crime syndicate" hmm. Might've picked the wrong flavor to claim Jeanne.

Flavor is beyond meaningless in this game(beyond determining likelihood of mechanics, I supposs),it's a Upick. And...if you read the entire bio, it's obvious that the character is a protagonist, not an antagonist, in the source material.

That comment did make me chuckle though, so it's got that going for it.

DS: well, you are playing with a lot more confidence in reads on people than I would expect from someone who preferred logic and evidence over gut.

Lol. I play with a nice mix of gut-read and logic.

You see, Day 1 is almost entirely gut-read, and that's what I've hated about it before. However, after my first 3-4 games (I can't remember, sue me), I decided that I'm just going to go on my gut on Day 1 and then move on from there. You'll see me do pretty well later on, but in a different way.

Also, it's totally not just false confidence and gusto

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I'm as confused as both of you, Elbrin and Learned Hand...

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DANG IT! I DID IT AGAIN! I confused my 2 games in consecutive tabs.

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Oh wait, nevermind. Learned Hand is in this game. Don't mind me.

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Oh, good, nobody is.

So, who are we going to vote off the island today? I need some consensus here.

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Or else what?

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one hour later

no more posts


how do you people sleep at night?

not well I hope.

There weren't posts there because I WAS sleeping...

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Well SHIT.

I will say one thing, Jeanne. Scum might kill you because Track/Neighborize, but they might let you live since Weak... So don't assume you're out of it yet.

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And what a twist this has been. I haven't been posting because I haven't seen much worth posting on until now (after a 6 hour hiatus, we suddenly have 6 more pages... woot) ANYWAYS. Whoever said they want me to die, please address me right now. I would appreciate it if you would bring your accusations forthright like Joseph McCarthy did in the good ol' days of the Cold War. They can even be unbacked (because Lord knows his were)

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This is going to sound bad.

Who shall I vote?

why preface this with a disclaimer? that in itself seems more scummy than your actual question.
also, can't you just look at the people that we are voting to see everyone's respective answer to that question?

Well, I would do it because I know that oftentimes, I get lynched for stuff because people don't bother to read why I said it, and by acknowledging the potentially scummy things that I say, it might help people realize that I'm not trying to say it that way.

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Poor Dramonic.

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Indeed. I hate to agree with RP, but you're active lurking, and it's far past any reasonable time to. You need to pick your sides and get to voting.

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VOTE: Sharky
This just needs to end.

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If it has something to do with you not voting, then yes. Claim. There are many people out for your blood because you refuse to vote. If it doesn't involve voting, though, don't claim.

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RP's actions look really really town to me, but I'm not sure. This sort of thing is a very interesting gambit for scum.

But regardless. Sharky is very obviously scum.

PEdit: You might want to list the criteria. If you can't vote until X happens, and yet you wouldn't give any decent votes (which you admitted you wouldn't), then we should prevent X from happening.

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So are we all mass claiming? I'm confused as to the point of RP claiming.

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Somehow I'm not surprised

Anyways, sharky, remind me what uninspired does.

Also, shall we have EAP claim flavor since he claimed role?

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I honestly don't know what to think. It's both obscure enough AND too obscure. Nobody seems to know what the hell it's supposed to do, so it could be a fake-claim that makes everyone just think "Eh, it's a shit role", but it's also obscure, so unless he just hit the random button on the wiki, it's unlikely that he found that role for a fake-claim. Personally, regardless of whether or not that's the role, however, I think he's still scum. The role promises no information whatsoever (sorta like claiming tourist), and yet if he does get a guilty tracker/watcher/voyeur/WHATEVER on him, he can just claim "LOL yeah that's what I did with my Dreaming" (If I understand the role correctly)

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I like to think that I've raised fakeclaiming to an art. Not that you'd know, but off-site, it's super easy to fake-claim.

A personal favorite of mine is weak tracker. Claim that you tracked someone who has claimed a non-visiting role (VT, Mayor, etc.), and then add in a couple "Role failed". Most of the time people don't bother to think that through enough.


Ah he hem, back to the subject at hand. I don't necessarily think it's a fake claim. It could be, it could not be, but either way, he's scum.

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Stop being egocentric. We're obviously discussing Sharky. Your claim is useless at this point and unwarranted.

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I HAVE A DREAM!

A dream that I might get some girlfriends. (Promise this isn't shitposting)

I'm completely serious. Sharky, dream that I get girlfriends.

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Well, I agree with RP that if we aren't going to do my idea (Definitely should), then we should do the lynch flip.

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Sharky, I need you to use your action, and if you are town, I'd suggest you go with my action or RP's. If RP's is deemed game breaking, then use mine. I'll claim if you use my action.

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Errant, massflop, TN, do any of you object to this desperado on you?

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Well, if it's a regular gun, I'd prefer you not shoot me. But if it's indeed Desperado, then go ahead and shoot me. I think you're scummy as fuck, and deserve to die.

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In fact, if it's a regular, 100% don't shoot me, because I can confirm my role next time Sharky can Daydream.

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I invite scum to NK me. I'd get a great laugh out of it. And besides, it would confirm my alignment as well, not just role. Don't get in a huff.

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I did answer you, Errant. It appears that your name isn't the only thing that's errant, though. Your reading skills also appear to be fault.

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I didn't say I had a case on you (other than you shitty posts, which don't deserve to be addressed). I was simply saying that I'm not a good shot to take.

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Well, if it's a traditional vig shot, that is.

If it's Desperado, fire away.

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Let's take a walk down ISO lane for errant.

Post 302: Votes me, not going to comment on this, but it will be needed later
Post 584: Asks if my supposed "inconsistency" is alignment indicative
Scroll through a lot of posts that say "Oh, I'll catch up" doesn't for a long time, and then comments on useless things, doesn't provide insight.
Post 942: Ooh! A readlist! Let's see. Lists me as might be scum, but still thinks I could be town. Evidently not worth viging

Enter Daydreamer

This is when his posts get really shitty. (shittier than they were originally)

He goes from a possible scum-read on me to "HOLY SHIT LET'S VIG HIM", as if there aren't better choices. Never actually responds to anything I say; just says "ok, tell me more" (i.e. begging the question).

There is NOTHING in this ISO worth any amount of credibility.

tl;dr - Scumreads with no reasoning (except for 1 single post I made earlier, in lighthearted jest), complete lack of content, and just seemingly focused on me through his entire ISO.

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This game is devolving quickly, so I'm just going to admit this right now.

I will be active lurking/prod dodging until RP is dead

If you guys want to talk to me again, you know how to get ahold of me. If RP is night killed, I might actually continue doing so, because that means mafia wants me back, ergo I'm performing poorly.

But I digress. I WILL NOT play in a game of this low quality. I will also not replace out because I don't particularly want to.

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Desperado HAS to be said in chat. It can not be in PMs. Also, if the wording was "Compulsive Desperado Vig", you fucked up. The role is compulsive desperado. Vigilante is NO part of it. It's likely a regular vigilante shot. So nice job.

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I actually have something I'll say post shot, depending on what happens.

I actually see someone like

Jeanne

as a better shot. I have a longer list of people I want shot (no, RP is not one of them), including

BBMola

and

3dice

, as well as

Jeanne.

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Yes, and if that's the case, if things are DELIBERATELY NOT PLAYING OUT THE WAY THE PLAYER INTENDED, then dram is a bastard.

And he's already said he's not a bastard in this game.

If, however, Sharky screwed up in his phrasing, or didn't ask the right questions...well, thats a different matter entirely, and seems completely possible.

No, that doesn't mean it's bastard. He could be interpreting a gun to mean a vigilante, as it most often is called. For example, if you have the ability to make gadgets, you will likely call a "1-shot Vig" maker a gun.

He should have made the wording as specific as possible. If he didn't, that's his own stupidity.

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Man like, that would be on the level of me saying "Track Muffinman" in a PM and getting the result "There's no player named MuffinMan in the game"

In which case you would get another go.

You're misrepping what me and Cerberus were saying.



Speaking of which, @

Cerberus

, my bad. I wasn't really reading that carefully because this game has gotten me in a huff, of sorts.


Another rabbit trail: if others are allowed to be confrontational, why can't I be?

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No worries DS. I suggest you relax man, it's just a game. Don't let it get you worked up it's just not worth it.

About being confrontational : of course you and everyone are allowed to be, but that doesn't mean there aren't shitty ways to do it. Saying "I'm gonna be useless unless that player is removed" is a sbitty way of doing it.

Well, then I'll just ignore him, as his actions are absolutely anti-town. That's logical enough, right?

Also, last thing @RP. Would you prefer a Flying Pumpkin that Shoots Lazers Out of its Arse?

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actually, what's bothering me most at the moment is that he's clearly at least somewhat following the thread but the only thing he commented on recently was diamondsentinel's post about the jeanne vig... rather than anything actually relevant to the current gamestate

There's been an awful lot of selective commentary that's been irking me lately, so that's definitely not alignment indicative.

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Here is my question if Sharky isn't going to get shot, what if whoever EP shoots is town? I mean EP doesn't have a desperado gun, and as wrong read doesn't make someone scummy. What do we gain from this world besides just a vigi shot? If EP shoots sharky then we get to confirm both people, + I still don't believe that Sharky is really town here.

I mean we originally had a world where scum was in a complete catch 22 and had to choose between suicide and killing a partner, and now we are just giving scum reads vigi shots. I don't understand why some of you are suggesting that both parties should continue. I mean I like EP's miller claim, but it might just be a ninja mafia role that wants to cover its bases.

Just wait. All will become clear in time. ^_^

Still wish it was a desperado shot, though. I had everything planned out there.

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There's been an awful lot of selective commentary that's been irking me lately, so that's definitely not alignment indicative.

maybe, but whichever players you're alluding to here likely aren't the focal point of the conversations at the moment!

Well, true enough.


Ok, who votes we all just keep shit-posting to piss RP off some more? I really like this idea.

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Errant, you're stalling, and I don't like it. Just take the shot.

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108 hours. I propose this, because even though I'm opposed to vigs, I find it more likely that this is a desperado shot rather than a vig shot.

If Errant hasn't shot *someone* in 12 hours, we just lynch him. His waffling is screwing us out of time for finding a lynch after we see the results of his shot.

I agree with this whole-heartedly.

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I honestly would rather you had shoot sharky.

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Shooting sharky is dumb if he honestly thinks sharky is town and that his power he got was a normal vig shot.

Shooting sharky is GREAT if he has a desperado shot, but he doesn't believe he does.

Also, Errant, you never gave us your thoughts on the rest of the game, in case this shot does result in your death.

I still think that the shot is a desperado shot.

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Well, I'm going to do what I planned to do if he shot Sharky/Jeanne and they flipped scum.

VOTE: Erramt

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Typo'd

VOTE: Errant

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Well, I'm going to do what I planned to do if he shot Sharky/Jeanne and they flipped scum.

VOTE: Erramt

ok why? Give me one reason as to why? He is a miller claim that just shot scum in the head.

What are the chances that he is scum right now ? What do you find scummy about him right now ?

Host has confirmed NOT BASTARD. Therefore, the shot HAS to be desperado shot. As such, since he's scum, he has to shoot another scum or else he dies. He probably doesn't want to die himself, so he chose one of his teammates to bus. By bussing someone, they would make the most of the inevitable mafia death there, and ALSO make Errant seem more townish.

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Ok. Well, my vote stays on him for now, at least until someone else comes up with a better lynch.

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He said that the votes were indeed reset.

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So let me get this straight...

You see that my logic is indeed correct...

You see that the mod confirmed not bastard

You also see that he would be good with shooting a teammate

And you're STILL voting me? Jesus Christ, what more do you want?

[DiamondSentinel]

I'm confused ds, do you think errant is town or scum?

Scum, almost 100% certain.

[DiamondSentinel]

Why can he not be town?

He CAN be, but the odds are stacked against that.

[DiamondSentinel]

Why can he not be town?

He CAN be, but the odds are stacked against that.

So you believe it's a desperado shot and errant shot tn because errant is scum and didn't want to die himself. It does make sense that he would shoot tn, someone under heavy suspicion.

I can definitely see a town EP shooting tn as well. I guess we could check by giving him another desperado shot tomorrow, but how do we even know it was a desperado shot?

Ugh, you make me miserable dramonic.

We know it was Desperado because taking a specifically said Desperado and turning it into a Vigilante shot would be bastard, and again, this isn't bastard.

[DiamondSentinel]

I

have reason to believe my gun is multishot

.
I will PM the dear mod about this.
If it is indeed, i will shoot again tomorrow if that is what you guys desire.

Are you kidding me? -_-

I guess I missed that. Yeah, he should definitely die.

[DiamondSentinel]

We know it was Desperado because taking a specifically said Desperado and turning it into a Vigilante shot would be bastard, and again, this isn't bastard.

Also, DS, important thing. You think EP has a compulsive desperado shot he can use every single day.

Why would you ever vote for him? Even if he is scum, this is a self-correcting problem.

Because I don't believe it's each day. I think he's still lying, in some form or another.

[DiamondSentinel]

Jesus Christ, Titus. This really is a terrible game for you...

These reads are pretty poor.

[DiamondSentinel]

COULDN'T CUT IT AS A POOR MAN STEALING
TIRED OF LIVING LIKE A BLIND MAN
SICK OF CYBERING OUT A SENSE OF FEELING
THIS IS HOW YOU REMIND ME
OF HOW BAD NICKELBACK REALLY IS

I'm not going to lie... I don't actually hate Nickelback...

[DiamondSentinel]

I personally like Photograph, even those it's overused on photo montages.

[DiamondSentinel]

You've

got

to be kidding me...

Nice OMGUS Errant. That's so fucking terrible

And the fact that Jeanne jumped on it is beyond ridiculous. If nobody does anything about this scummy exhibit, then, well, SOMETHING. I don't know what. But something.

I'm looking at you, Cerberus. As the de facto town leader, I hope you do something about this.

[DiamondSentinel]

VOTE: Klingon

Really didn't like that "I'm obviously town" (which NOBODY has said), but I didn't care to comment on it.

At the same time, too scummy to probably be scum unless her scum buddies are nigh on killing her in chat, but still, she won't help us this way.

[DiamondSentinel]

Presumably translator is how she knew who had post restrictions.

VOTE: Klingon

Really didn't like that "I'm obviously town" (which NOBODY has said), but I didn't care to comment on it.

At the same time, too scummy to probably be scum unless her scum buddies are nigh on killing her in chat, but still, she won't help us this way.

DiamondSentinel lynch please.

Very weak justification for vote as well as a sort-of defence for when she flips town. This is a nasty post, now we know Klingon is town.

That's not at all a self-defense. Until we get mod confirmation, I stand by that Klingon should be lynched. If you think that that's lynch worthy, then I guess I'm just not able to play with you guys.

[sigh] I would like a game where people would actually listen to what I have to say instead of dismissing it as unskilled or scum.

But still, I've yet to see a game where I enjoyed Davsto's play in particular, so idrm.

[DiamondSentinel]

Well, that makes this an easy call.

UNVOTE:

[DiamondSentinel]

I've been keeping up with the thread, but don't have much time to make a post.

Interesting that kling is town because I was sort of getting scummy vibes from them.

Weird that LH just happened to be sure on kling being town and they turn out to be IC. May just be my paranoia, but it's something that pinged me personally.

Gambit makes me think EAP is town. Muffin looks kind of town, but more oriented around his play.

UNVOTE: EAP

Who deserves the honor and majesty of earning my vote?

Thank God someone else sees that Klingon is quite scummy.

I will admit that that annoys me too. I have a theory about it, but it's so moon logic that I doubt Titus would get it. (or even want to, as I'm getting scumvibes from her this game, too)

[DiamondSentinel]

Because of the name of the theme "I make you miserable"

Innocent Child is in no way miserable. There's more to this claim than meets the eye, I guarantee.

[DiamondSentinel]

If Innocent Child is considered miserable, then I'm sorely disappointed. But whatever. I was clearly misunderstanding what I was signing up for.

I was expecting miserable as in "negative-utility, very nigh on bastard role list", not just "generally boring roles to play with".



Lynch me if you want. I'm just a Vanilla Townie.

Scott Pilgrim to be precise. All of my girlfriends are really cool, but I'm just a regular guy even though I'm pretty proficient with hand-to-hand and sword fighting. (paraphrase of role PM, btw) And I'm claiming because I appear to be at L-2, by my count.

[DiamondSentinel]

so your role name is "vanilla town"? what does it say you have in terms of passive/active abilities?

Well, I have a Passive of being bland.

And I have no actives, unlike my girlfriends.


I was sorta crumbing at this when I was asking for Snarky to dream up a girlfriend for me. I figured since girlfriends were mentioned in my role PMs, if I were to acquire one, I could gain an ability of some sort. That's my biggest support of my role.

[DiamondSentinel]

Sharky*

[DiamondSentinel]

Man I feel you. I also need a visit by the doc to be of any use.

Sharkly role sounds too good to be true .

Tbh I am pretty sure kling will have something in her role as well that we do not know yet

THANK YOU! Someone's not a total moron here.

[DiamondSentinel]

per say

Choosing a main character of a show and getting

LOL nope you are VT

Is pretty damkn miserable

I was hoping that Dram would be creative and give me 1-shot actions based on Scott's Girlfriends or Ramona's Exes, but I guess not...

[DiamondSentinel]

if diamondsentinel were a more competent player than i think he actually is, id be inclined to call it likely to come from scum

that said, i think it comes from a place of idiodicy and that sort of idiodicy is, in general, more likely to come from town (precisely because scum are more likely to accept the information as is than create waves) (insert numerous disclaimers)

I love it when people talk about me as if I weren't actually here.

[DiamondSentinel]

Ok, I'm glad that I wasn't the only one who thought that. He has done nothing to help the pace of the game, whatsoever, and is just reiterating what others have said unless he's making crummy wagons.

VOTE: Davsto

[DiamondSentinel]

What cerb said, Davsto isn't scum. I'd like him to be more useful but his lack of enthusiasm is expected given he can't even vote.

WAIT WAIT WAIT!

Who said he can't vote? Because he's fucking on me right now.

[DiamondSentinel]

Oh, I see. It's a stupid trolly role that is absolutely ridiculous, and he's just using to fuck with people.

Never mind, then.

[DiamondSentinel]

um, we knew that Jeanne.

Also the 3die defense of Diamond doesn't make any sense to me. Sure there isn't normally there isn't any reason for scum to try to get a confTown lynched since it seems scummy, but there also isn't normally reason for town to try to lynch mod confirmed town. So you end up in a spot where neither town nor scum would normally make an action. Now Diamond could be town that got confused by the setup, but that also easily could be scum that had the thought for a moment and thought he could convince town of it. Diamond then just quietly to the next wagon after the paranoia didn't set in as far as he wanted, but he still tried to push kling as scum as much as he could

Man I feel you. I also need a visit by the doc to be of any use.

Sharkly role sounds too good to be true .

Tbh I am pretty sure kling will have something in her role as well that we do not know yet

THANK YOU! Someone's not a total moron here.

IMO Davsto has been super towny, and I expect there to be at least 1 scum between Mass and RP, and Diamond is just sheeping his buddy. Obviously Davsto has to be killed before lylo, but using a vigi shot is way more effective and I haven't seen a good reason why using the vigi shot is bad.

Wait, WHY does Davsto have to be killed before LyLo? He doesn't even have a vote, which means that Town-Davsto would be who mafia MOST wants to take to LyLo.

[DiamondSentinel]

@Mass Flop Did you miss the part where I said I was just VT? All of these roles aren't all that interesting. Dramonic gave me probably the most miserable role he could.



Anyways, while I think that Itlepip's logic is PBad, I don't think he's scum. He's certainly not being helpful, though, so if you think that's a good reason to lynch him, I can't really argue there.

PEdit: Yeah, still not a fan of itle's post. Doesn't really connect.

"I see A, and B probably would happen, and C is obviously true (because reasons). D is also obvious."

There is no point to that sentence other than stating 2 things that are apparently obvious (thus not worth saying), 1 speculation which doesn't really leave us with much right now, and one genuine statement that has no backing whatsoever. So do with that what you will.

[DiamondSentinel]

@Mass Flop Did you miss the part where I said I was just VT? All of these roles aren't all that interesting. Dramonic gave me probably the most miserable role he could.



Anyways, while I think that Itlepip's logic is PBad, I don't think he's scum. He's certainly not being helpful, though, so if you think that's a good reason to lynch him, I can't really argue there.

Okay, so first thing you have to do here is find a spot where my logic was wrong, which you haven't done. Second I'm pretty sure nobody is advocating policy lynching me for being unhelpful. If they were I would be considerably more upset at them. For me this section reads super WKy, so I'm fairly certain that Diamond is scum here.

PEdit: Yeah, still not a fan of itle's post. Doesn't really connect.

"I see A, and B probably would happen, and C is obviously true (because reasons). D is also obvious."

Nice, which post was it? I'd love to refute this but I legitimately don't know what post this is referring to.

There is no point to that sentence other than stating 2 things that are apparently obvious (thus not worth saying), 1 speculation which doesn't really leave us with much right now, and one genuine statement that has no backing whatsoever. So do with that what you will.

The one where you said that you see Davsto as town (A), and had 1 of 2 people as probably scum (B), and then me just sheeping my buddy (C), and then obviously Davsto has to die before LyLo (D)

Proved that point sufficiently enough.

As for the first, I'll look into it. I'm a bit tired, though. Running on empty (nearly fell asleep in the shower, woot woot)

[DiamondSentinel]

I wasn't saying A was the obvious point. That was the genuine statement that you have yet to back up.

[DiamondSentinel]

i put my thoughts about the claimed folks.
i still would be fine with ds dying.
shiro not today. davsto not today. sharky not today.
others seem pretty town.

Can someone tell me what town would gain from shooting me? Because that's the ONLY time I will be fine with dying. Someone give me something I can be a martyr for and I might not rip it to shreds.

[DiamondSentinel]

Okay Diamond obviously is not going to happen here, no point continuing a vanity wagon

VOTE: Elbrin

I'm not going to be lynched because I'm not scum...

[DiamondSentinel]

So I'm Le Petite Prince

Cuz it's my favorite book forealz.

I had wanted a role that would be likely to be innocent child but apparently klingon stole that from me. I won't tell you people what my role does today, but it's confirmable; whoever I target will receive a flavor message, and confirmation that I targeted them, and what I did.

So there's that

Nice taste there!

[DiamondSentinel]

Guys, STOP ASKING THE MOD QUESTIONS. I doubt he wants to answer all of them, and trying to figure out semantics WONT HELP EITHER. Just play the stupid game, and stop insulting people. I'm as sick as the mod is of all this crap.

[DiamondSentinel]

Actually, no, he's probably even more sick of it, because he made the theme and has seen it get reduced to this.

[DiamondSentinel]

Oh, and not that it matters (probably), but you have Davsto on the votecount twice. You separated my vote on him, and his vote on himself.

Fixed. Thanks!~

[DiamondSentinel]

Joy, more yelling and name calling...

@Mod just a heads-up, if this continues tomorrow I will be subbing out so please get one ready. This game seems fun, but I can't stand he people in it.

Right now, It's either Learned Hand or RP and Itle as scum.

Therefore VOTE: Itlepip

[DiamondSentinel]

>< How the hell did you make that connection?

It's not a connection. You're scum regardless of which of them is.

[DiamondSentinel]

itlepip, you're off the table.

We kill one of LH or RP now. You're both being ridiculous and deliberately misunderstanding each other and evading shit all over the place, in addition to, in the case of RP, fucking throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks.

One of these two dies today. Good job making me take a stance.

No. Itle should die today. LH and RP are annoying, and one of them is definitely scum, but I can't decide who. I'm inclined to say LH just because Drixx head seems to be doing damage control.

[DiamondSentinel]

Poor Draminic.

Itle, you haven't don't anything to suggest you're town.

Why exactly aren't you voting RN, btw?

[DiamondSentinel]

I'm curious as to why DS suddenly got lynch immunity when he claimed.
Nothing against you, DS, I just don't think that softing flavor clears your alignment.

I think it was more that my claim made sense with all the shit I said.

Since I'm a useless role, it justified all the stupid stuff I said. Since I claimed VT, it makes sense that I'd allow myself to be VIish.

[DiamondSentinel]

Poor Draminic.

Itle, you haven't don't anything to suggest you're town.

Why exactly aren't you voting RN, btw?

So you can't actually build any case, cool.

I figured you'd have realized I'm not the type of person to either A. Have reasons for my actions, or B. Reveal which ones I do have.


Also, stop dodging the question.

[DiamondSentinel]

Errant, I want you to watch what I do and who I interact with in the coming days, and then decide your shot tomorrow based on that. I know it's selfish, but I know what I'm doing.

[DiamondSentinel]

Alrighty, so I looked through tn's iso fully now.

He wanted Jeanne, RP, and sharky lynched, in that order.

He claimed he would have shot one of zmuffin or Jeanne had he received the shot.

Also threw some shade on 3dice.

Town leaned diamond.

LH asked him specifically what his thoughts were on the millers, and he found it likely.


Hmm. IIoA, but it's here for me to consider.

pedit: Please, I'm terrible D1, and I admit it's a shitty ass case(repeatedly, btw) which I expected to get crushed. Instead it got sheeped. So yeah. That was unexpected. Also, pushing a sharky shot is terrible when the person with the shot has told us himself that it's a vig shot. Sharky, regardless of alignment, is an asset to town, at least in the short term, that shouldn't have just been killed off.

peditx2: Yeah, it's a shitty conclusion to draw, but whatever. I've used the same logic against her when she's acted outside expectations and in a way that was suboptimal.

This adds Jeanne as scum IFF (if and only if) RP and Zmuffin are town. As of now, not sure about RP, but I do think Zmuffin is town, for now.

Also, i have a feeling that tn was going to attempt to pull a Shinobi from Antihero v. Fakegod. I still can't believe I misread him that hard...


I need Davsto to comment on a couple things tomorrow, but he's likely asleep, and I'm going to be Vsoon.

[DiamondSentinel]

Is that L-1?

[DiamondSentinel]

Like... how do you think Dave has a real vote at this juncture.

How

I don't. I just don't count votes compulsively.

[DiamondSentinel]

Seeing that I am at l-1 (hi Dav) I might as well claim


David Mills (from se7en). can choose between cop and PGO until someone dies, if a certain player dies (Mass Flop) I am a PGO the rest of the game.

Town Triggered Cop.

I think I did soft it a couple of times with Jeanne and Diamond, but I don't think the claim will save me in any case.

So you claim that you know Flop is town...

[DiamondSentinel]

@itle So I have a reputation for being VI? Joy...

[DiamondSentinel]

@itle So I have a reputation for being VI? Joy...

If you didn't have that reputation your scum team would be mourning you right now, be thankful.

Well, I request that once I finally figure out a plan, you guys don't disregard it because I'm VI apparently.

[DiamondSentinel]

There are 3 people I'd be fine with dying. LH is one, but I want to read a bit more of Drixx. This is not even close to Titus' town game, and she's super easy to read. Tbh, I've seen them as scum for ages but I haven't outed it because I wanted to read more of Drixx. Itle is another, and RP is the final, but weaker, one.

VOTE: Learned Hand I suppose, since I've outed this read.

[DiamondSentinel]

Yo DS. How likely do you think it is that LH is gonna get lynched compared to itle?

I'll need to see a VC first. It all depends on who has more votes. If it's itle, then he dies. If it's LH, then they die.

[DiamondSentinel]

No way in hell any other lynch is happening.

VOTE: Itlepip

But tomorrow I was LH and/or RP dead.

[DiamondSentinel]

Yeah, I do think it's scum titus, but that doesn't really help me read the hydra, which isn't just Titus posting. I guess I'm not that confident in the read?
I was also asking why people wanted a lynch there because I actually don't recall/know why LH was getting votes anyway.

Although it this is town Titus (as I've only had one game where Titus has been revealed), then I have to rethink strategy. XD

But I think it is scum Titus.

[DiamondSentinel]

Also, upon further reflection, I believe that voteless is more a scum modifier than anything, so I'd suggest some sort of informative role on Davsto tonight.

[DiamondSentinel]

If he is what he said he is, he's much more likely town than scum. If multiball, the odds are astronomically higher than in single ball.

Scum have to get their team through Lylo. Giving a scum a modifier that makes then unable to vote cripples them in LYLO, and essentially requires that you plan to win the game through bussing that team member, and can't really let others get lynched or else the impact of having a voteless member increases greatly. The multiball comment is because multiball means smaller scum teams, so that voteless thing hurts them even more.

Anyways, davsto could be lying about his role,but seriously, it's very unlikely he'd play it this way. Like, omg so unlikely.

The scum version of the role is secret vote mover (their vote is actually on a player other than who their vote appears to be on, they true-vote by messaging the moderator).

I agree it's unlikely he'd play this way as scum, but maaan that role is beyond terrible for the town. Raising the lynch threshold by 1 without being able to apply that vote anywhere is beyond terrible. Which, um... kinda fits with the theme of this game.

I thought we had determined that there was more to this game than what you'd expect as miserable.

I mean, PGO Cop? That's by no means miserable. The only role besides Davsto's that's miserable is mine and the miller(s), and even mine is just because it sucks for my play style.

[DiamondSentinel]

Which would imply Mass Flop is town. Which I really don't like as an implication.

[DiamondSentinel]

Well, this stays in the back of my mind. Meanwhile, if we can get enough on Learned Hand, I want them dead. But if that's not happening, I'll settle for Itle.

[DiamondSentinel]

Itle, if you really are town, get as much as you can down for reference. I hate it when people spend twilight bitching about how they were lynched.

[DiamondSentinel]

Also, if you would have posted more like you did in your last moments mid-day, then I wouldn't have lynched you. I just couldn't get over how scummy you were there in the middle.

[DiamondSentinel]

Titus, calm down. We'll deal with that tomorrow. If you think he's town, ask him any questions you have.

Here's mine. Itle, who would you have investigated tonight?

PEdit: I take it that means I'm your biggest scum read. Well, thanks, I suppose.

[DiamondSentinel]

anyway, was thinking back on the sharky stuff happening earlier in the game and remembered this

In fact, if it's a regular, 100% don't shoot me, because I can confirm my role next time Sharky can Daydream.

I didn't say I had a case on you (other than you shitty posts, which don't deserve to be addressed). I was simply saying that I'm not a good shot to take.

was this stuff ever explained?

Yes, it was. My flavor claim was Scott Pilgrim, and by Sharky dreaming up girlfriends, I can get powers (mod confirmed), and I can use them and get a nice little result.

[DiamondSentinel]

That was the explanation.

[DiamondSentinel]

First!

Anyways, hey firebringer. I hope you aren't demotivated already.

PEdit: SCREW YOU RP

[DiamondSentinel]

Well, I could sit on my laurels here, because why not, but naaahhhh, that seems boring.

Jeanne, what amazing things did you discover tonight?

I say we try again with the Desperado thing and Firebringer today, see what happens. Any real objections? No offense Diamond, but even if you were mod confirmed town, I'm not positive giving you girlfriends would be a better move than that.

>Try again with something that went blatantly wrong.

That's not really a good idea.

But giving me girlfriends not only makes me mod-confirmed (I guess?) but would also make me useful and NOT vt!

[DiamondSentinel]

Well, I could sit on my laurels here, because why not, but naaahhhh, that seems boring.

Jeanne, what amazing things did you discover tonight?

I say we try again with the Desperado thing and Firebringer today, see what happens. Any real objections? No offense Diamond, but even if you were mod confirmed town, I'm not positive giving you girlfriends would be a better move than that.

>Try again with something that went blatantly wrong.

That's not really a good idea.

But giving me girlfriends not only makes me mod-confirmed (I guess?) but would also make me useful and NOT vt!

Man like, the corpse of TN5421 is sitting over there and scum just shot a miller.

If that's going wrong, I could use things to go wrong a little more often around here.

I forgot Errant had the gun.

I was thinking we still had it, and didn't need another. And by wrong, I meant that he seemed to think it was a vig shot.

[DiamondSentinel]

Y'know, I've seen Titus town and this isn't it.

VOTE: Learned Hand

[DiamondSentinel]

Also, lh: so you received no unexpected messages and had no unexpected things happen with your action?

Same question DS. ALSO, PEOPLE WE ARE NOW AT L-2 OR L-3!! CALM THE FUCK DOWN YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS.

Same question to me?

I'm a vanilla townie...

[DiamondSentinel]

Christ, I'm done with this so far. I'll be back later and try to read some more, but this is cancerous and chaotic. UNVOTE:

[DiamondSentinel]

@Firebringer I need you to do something. Well, 2 somethings. First one is to answer these 2 questions.

1. Do you think I'm town?
2. Do you think I'm competent enough to use an ability?

[DiamondSentinel]

@Firebringer I need you to do something. Well, 2 somethings. First one is to answer these 2 questions.

1. Do you think I'm town?
2. Do you think I'm competent enough to use an ability?

Shaddup. You are not going to get anything today, sorry DS. Also, stop distracting people from answering my questions.

Just these guys left, and then I'll 100% know something.

3. Klingoncelt
10. sharky5x(firebringer)
11. Davsto

Why not give me a shot? I've been doing nothing this whole game because I can't do anything, and you guys throwing me to the wayside.

[DiamondSentinel]

We apparently can't give those out.

So I just want another gun. Gun has been good for us.

And like, even Dave knows dave dying is pro-town, making scum shoot Dave is just hilarious.

Where was it confirmed we can't give out desperados?

When Errant died as town.

Since he was town, he'd have no reason to lie about it, and he said it wasn't a desperado.

The wording was such that if we could make a desperado, we would have. But we didn't, so we can't.

[DiamondSentinel]

If we are giving anything any kind of weaponish thing, we are giving desperado to a scummy player and have them shoot another scummy player.

I also wasn't asking for a weapon. I was asking for a chance to have an ability. I don't even know what it would be.

[DiamondSentinel]

Hey DS, want a Desperado?

If you don't have anyone scummy enough to give it to, then I suppose I'd be the logical choice to give it to. But no, I don't. I have 0 confidence in my ability to find a scum, and I don't feel like dying before I get the chance to use an ability.

[DiamondSentinel]

Just a public service announcement: Remember that claiming WILL NOT determine alignment! Just because someone claims doesn't mean that they are town. They can be telling the truth about their claim and still be scum. It is for this reason that I highly recommend AGAINST any more claiming as it gets us virtually nowhere.

[DiamondSentinel]

I really want to lynch LH, but if they really are proven, then this sucks.

It's funny how the 2 scummiest people are proven. KC is innocent child, and LH apparently was targeted by weak-jeanne.

[DiamondSentinel]

Hmm, thank you for that!

VOTE: Learned Hand

[DiamondSentinel]

Just a public service announcement: Remember that claiming WILL NOT determine alignment! Just because someone claims doesn't mean that they are town. They can be telling the truth about their claim and still be scum. It is for this reason that I highly recommend AGAINST any more claiming as it gets us virtually nowhere.

I really want to lynch LH, but if they really are proven, then this sucks.

It's funny how the 2 scummiest people are proven. KC is innocent child, and LH apparently was targeted by weak-jeanne.

Hmm, thank you for that!

VOTE: Learned Hand

Did we determine that this guy is town already?
Cuz I can see a world in which LH is somehow town and DS is really pissed that he might lose a mislynch. Like he is way too over eager and is upset about lh being town possibly, like dafuk?

Elbrin, use your brain. We literally just completed a scum game together. Does my behavior look remotely like that?

[DiamondSentinel]

I think drixx is being silly

RP 4 scum is reasonable and I have to admit it's what I was expecting, but I was hit with a curiosity that there might be 5..? Does that sound reasonable or is that too many scum?

At any rate 3 is certainly too few.

Yaaay pointless set up spec
Am I helping
Guys am I helping

What about multiball? Also, if you think it's multiball, do you feel that changes your opinion on Learned hand?

I don't think multi ball

For one I've never played one in my like 20 games on site so it's not even something I think about

On top of that we have 2 dead scum with the same flavor, none of which indicates scum

So yeah.

Let's say it is multiball. Would you think LH is town or not?

If it's multiball, and the weak thing isn't considered, then I'd say LH is nearly 100% scum.

[DiamondSentinel]

I really want to lynch LH, but if they really are proven, then this sucks.

It's funny how the 2 scummiest people are proven. KC is innocent child, and LH apparently was targeted by weak-jeanne.

@DS

Ignoring your rhetorical question. Do you see how bad this is?

If LH were to be confirmed town, why would that "suck"?

It would suck for the same reason that KC being confirmed sucks.

We have a scummy person as town, so that's one less effective scum read, and who should go about being town leader isn't helping.

[DiamondSentinel]

I really want to lynch LH, but if they really are proven, then this sucks.

It's funny how the 2 scummiest people are proven. KC is innocent child, and LH apparently was targeted by weak-jeanne.

@DS

Ignoring your rhetorical question. Do you see how bad this is?

If LH were to be confirmed town, why would that "suck"?

It would suck for the same reason that KC being confirmed sucks.

We have a scummy person as town, so that's one less effective scum read, and who should go about being town leader isn't helping.

Yet we're still in a situation here where you're lamenting the loss of a lynch on town.

1. We think x is scum
2. We mod confirm that x isn't scum
3. We don't have to waste a lynch on x, and the game is closer to PoE. Hooray! This is good!

I can't decide if your opinion here is scumtacular or just suboptimal town play.

Pedit: oh god wallpost

A beautifully short-sighted post. Yes, the numbers make it sound good. But the fact that person X isn't helping doesn't help us. A good game will have mislynches built in, so there is no reason not to use them on anyone anti-town. But then again, what do I know?

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So......what should I do?

Do what you want. I'm serious. Don't let town push you around like that.

If you want to go desperado, go ahead.
If you want to confirm LH, go ahead.
If you want to do my idea, go ahead.

PEdit: No, I'm lynching people who are anti-town, because IF YOU ARE AGAINST TOWN, YOU ARE FOR SCUM. ITS SIMPLE LOGIC.
If you think that's scummy, then lynch me, but then lynch Elbrin next for engaging this farce.

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You're antitown for telling firebringer to not listen to town and to make suboptimal plays

Now what?

This is actually pretty on par with my thoughts

Which was. My opinion or Elbrin's?

Also, I'm not saying to go against town. I'm convinced that some of our "town leaders" are in fact mafia. So I am advising him to go based on his own will. Anti-Town would be for me to tell him to only do mine.

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:sigh:

You would not believe how boring it is to be VT in a UPick...

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I'm not liking this turn of events...

Drixx, assuming you survive this, I want YOU talking, not Titus. I'm convinced that Titus has no idea what she's doing if she's town.

Davsto, if you die, make sure to save a spot for me at the Parcheesi table ^_^

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Ahem, I want to say I TOLD YOU SO. You could have given me an ability so I can actually be useful but NOOOOOOOOO.

You had to go ahead and pull this crap and essentially waste a day. Nothing good has happened since there was no desperado. Sure, we can lynch one of them, but it doesn't prove anything about the other.

Great freaking job...

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Titus' scum rule No. 1 "play up until the flip"

This but I kinda, don't wanna lynch her :< I think I have been emotionally compromised from her last few posts.

I mean either you're scum, or the moderator decided to make your role as useless as its possible for a role to be. I mean I think it's the second, just from what happened, but I can't like mod-confirmed rule out the first.

Yea like, even mine and DS can be useful under conditions.

Unless this zombieproof thing is really serious business.

Actually, my role doesn't say anything about getting girlfriends. I

sorta guilted the mod into letting it happen

asked the mod if, since the girlfriends were mentioned on the rolecard, if I could get abilities through them.

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VOTE: EAP

Meh, I just want to get to tomorrow, and then let's actually try my plan since ours didn't work today.

Or possibly Cerberus could give me some girlfriends so that I get actions.

Cerberus, if your role is as free as you described it as, give me one of my flavor's girlfriend's powers. Either Kim or Ramona is fine by me. ^_^

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Do you think I honestly care? I've lost all care in this game. It's not even fun. I'm sitting here will 1 role rules the town, and I can do nothing. My vote stays where I want it to be.

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Man. Draminic is really putting up with a lot of crap. I'm honestly surprised that he hadn't just called it. You guys need to stop taking this so seriously. It's rude and downright disrespectful. He's doing this for us, and if you don't like it, replace you. I admit I was I bit upset with the result of GoD Mafia, but that's just the way life goes.

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Ahem

*Notions at self*


Maybe one of my potential powers will be a protective role.

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Ice, kindly stop. It's getting really annoying. So much so that I almost hope you get replaced out/mod killed. Your behavior is uncalled-for.

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I'm so confused by what just happened...

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I don't understand why there was a claim here.

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FB also said he "consulted" (which means he's in a PC)... That's struck me as odd.

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Yes. At least for a little while.

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I know. Games seem to die really quickly.

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What's the current vote count?

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You know what you should do, EAP? You should *totally* self-hammer (obvious sarcasm is obvious)

But seriously, someone hammer this fool already.

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@Dramonic I know we've already established that Davsto's vote (or someone else on both wagons) doesn't count for anything, but should you really be mod-confirming it? I don't particularly care, but I just wanted to check if it was important for future modding.

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This ought to be a short twilight.

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Elbrin, did you like my moutin? Was it too sad?

Maybe I'll just draw you a box next time.

Also, thank you for just sitting there and wallowing in my misery last night. ^_^

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I got a message saying that instead of wallowing in my misery, I drew sheep for Elbrin, thus confirming him as Le Petit Prince.

Sorry about my incoherent first post.

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Elbrin, did you like my moutin? Was it too sad?

Maybe I'll just draw you a box next time.

Also, thank you for just sitting there and wallowing in my misery last night. ^_^

I got a message saying that instead of wallowing in my misery, I drew sheep for Elbrin, thus confirming him as Le Petit Prince.

Sorry about my incoherent first post.

Huh. So....I wallowed in your misery instead? Or am I reading too much into this?

But yeah confirmed that I did this and you were my intended target and so on.

That's why I said it was incoherent. I can't type.