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Here's a lesson I learned: don't town read newbies on that basis alone. Everyone's new and everyone expresses different degrees of confidence. If someone's playing VI past the first week, odds are they're a good lynch.
Contribute, make sure people don't observe from the sidelines too much, and think hard about your reads. Take your time with it. We have two weeks and it'd be good to use almost all of it.-
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Guys, this bit of advice I'm gonna give is super important: BE HONEST ABOUT MAKING MISTAKES. Don't rationalize around them. Don't justify them. Look at your behavior honestly and critically, especially in how it'll appear to both town and scum. It's more important that you let town players know this than it is to win an argument.
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We lynch two townies the first two days, we're now at lylo. His mindset, which is "misslynching now is fine because we have time", becomes a defense. It was all well and good. He's already blending into the background, it is a detriment to town.In post 56, Bins wrote:
I wouldn't really call it a mindset. And it's definitely not worth policy lynching.In post 54, GuerillaWoo wrote:I would honestly policy lynch 2.7's mindset
I didn't read it as "I wanna misslynch people, oops scumslip". It's the preemptive distancing from bad decisions followed by reaffirming his vote for a player that can't really be read yet. Nonny is objectively null rn and we all know it.-
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Aight, verb threw me off. Anyway, you think I'm nonny's scum partner cuz you don't like policy lynches. Despite my casting shade at her tone. Like I'm gonna bus on page two then talk about another player's sketchy post to establish associatives? In case I'm D1 lynched when this is the first time someone's mentioned me by name outside of RVS?In post 65, brassherald wrote:Yes
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1) Those are part of my first five posts. There is nothing of substance one can offer in RVS.In post 70, Formerfish wrote:In post 27, GuerillaWoo wrote:Here's a lesson I learned: don't town read newbies on that basis alone. Everyone's new and everyone expresses different degrees of confidence. If someone's playing VI past the first week, odds are they're a good lynch.
Contribute, make sure people don't observe from the sidelines too much, and think hard about your reads. Take your time with it. We have two weeks and it'd be good to use almost all of it.In post 30, GuerillaWoo wrote:Another word for try-harding is LAMIST.
1) Why are you talking about game theory so much? 2) And as a newbie. 3) See this looks a lot like someone trying to make it seem like they are posting things, without ever actually saying anything.In post 43, GuerillaWoo wrote:Guys, this bit of advice I'm gonna give is super important: BE HONEST ABOUT MAKING MISTAKES. Don't rationalize around them. Don't justify them. Look at your behavior honestly and critically, especially in how it'll appear to both town and scum. It's more important that you let town players know this than it is to win an argument.
I have half a mind to vote nonny cuz of those two posts up there.
4) You almost seem to throw some shade at the end of that last post towards nonny. What do you see in the 2 posts you mentioned that is a mistake that they aren't owning up to? 5) Why do you think that you see something there in a more serious way than I do? 6) You would think that if anyone had a problem with what they posted and was going to throw a vote that way it would be me, but I haven't even talked about that yet.
2) My being a newbie means I shouldn't be able to understand game theory? I acknowledge that I'm inexperienced, but I don't think it's bad form to offer advice. You don't have to listen to me.
3) It was RVS.
4) She either willfully or unintentionally read scumminess into a blatant joke. I've seen it happen before from town, though.
5) Uh what. Is this an ego thing rn, cuz like I barely know you and I'm not interested.
6) Two people can behave independently. I wasn't defending you.
I gotta say your tone reads as purposefully aggravating as an attempt to pressure me to see what shakes. That can go lamist or earnestly town. But it is not helpful to town at all. My concern is you're gonna start jumping between read to read with this overeager pressure and dominate the thread.-
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Scum will try to buddy youIn post 103, TrinityNZ wrote:
If you were actually town, why would you ask this question? This seems a strange question to ask.In post 93, GuerillaWoo wrote:Can you describe what intuits to you that I'm town? I feel like I haven't actually said anything AI.-
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I read everything in a negative light. Once you get duped in this game you realize people will actually go to extents to fuck with you.In post 116, nonny wrote:
Starting to think you just read any thing I say in a negative light, even with the added emoticons.In post 110, GuerillaWoo wrote:Ok I'm actually back to scumreading nonny. Being self-deprecating as a gameplay defense never goes over well for me. Always reads like dodging.
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Why is self-deprecation suspicious? How is being light-hearted or charismatic more deserving of a vote than irritability? The latter shows a distinct lack of confidence.In post 122, TrinityNZ wrote:Ok I’m changing votes. Thinking more about brassherald, he seemed to be a bit annoyed early in, and I firstly was suspicious of this. Now though I think he wouldn’t have done that if he was scum. Nonny on the other hand, is coming across as more suspicious by being self-deprecating, as someone else mentioned.
As for numbers, I think he is Bri g a bit naive. It could be deliberate, to try to throw us off, but I don’t think so at this point. So
UNVOTE: brassherald
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Nvm I misread what he thought the slip was. Still, saying the reason you put someone at L-2 is cuz you didn't think the scumteam would hammer is very slip-like and there's some circular reasoning going on there that's evidently not a real explanation. Are you still voting for brass? Who are your scumreads?
Like, you just created this weird logical maze rationalizing away your own assumption that you were being scumread for putting someone at L-2. That's diversionary. There's the underlying appeal to being new: "I do not understand why I'm being scumread, is it cuz I did the thing someone else did??". Then there's the reason for the vote in the first place. Bins says you can pressure players with votes and then you announce your vote is only a pressure attempt. You instantly deflated that pressure. Then there's asking whether Brass' vote on you is genuine, like you're trying to gauge whether you should be concerned but in an underhanded way trying to delegitimize said vote.
It's odd behavior and there's this underlying need to avoid blame here. That's what it all amounts to. Preemptive avoidance coupled with active avoidance.
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Please, Woo is my father, just call me Guerrilla.In post 132, Formerfish wrote:I'll be around this weekend. I've had a lot going on this week and I'm trying to get my life right.
Don't you worry Woo, with a face like that how can I stay away from you for long?
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You.In post 154, brassherald wrote:Hey, sorry for my absence, hitting the time where judges and other attorneys want to get shit done so that they can go on summer vacation.
Who's "he"?In post 152, GuerillaWoo wrote:Yeah he challenged her and she backed off immediately. He implied that Trinity asked him the same question and she never actually checked that he asked a different question. Really really not great
As for Numbers McInteger, I literally think you scum slipped and your explanation was pretty shitty. Plus you were not looking so hot before your scum slip. Plus, the appeal to emotion in 139 is so gross, I might have just thrown up a little in my mouth (Not really, but it's not comical otherwise). So, jumping a bit too quickly on a scum slip is just not a thing, to me, but you do you as your partner tries to help you come up with good explanations for your bad play in your mafia PT.-
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A and B-ish. Posting intent to hammer is less a threat and more an acceleration of play. You're essentially saying "I will end the day barring unforeseen circumstances, so make your farewell or the case against you". I'm threatening you with that game state.
I wish we could at least see D1 through a week cuz I got no clue who your scum partner could be, and I'm not liking how little activity's going on here. But I cannot see a world in which you're town. You're poorly making these little attempts at likeability now that you're L-1. No one cares that you made a long post, dude. The math joke comes off as desperation.
Here's my question: do you think you're a good lynch? Ignore your own survival instinct here with any "of course I wouldn't lynch myself" retorts.
Or do you think you're an easy lynch? If you were, why's it easy? Which scummy player do you think is taking advantage here?-
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I think he was trying to fake a townslip lol.
For the record I am totally cool lynching this particular PR claim. No part of me buys it.
For anyone that's played with him before: was 2.7 this scattered as town? Did he make this many appeals to being a noob?
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Jesus I hardly noticed this part of his defense
"I still contend that if 3 townies vote for someone, it is just as stupid for both scum to vote for the target whether the target is scum, requiring a self-vote, or the target being town, which is an instant giveaway no matter what."
Yeah I'm sorry, I'm liking Nonny unvoting and suspecting 2.7 immediately after his claim. Right now I don't wanna vote for her at all.
I have no problems lynching a PR claim. Read his posts on the last page. They're scummy in tone, content, reasoning, tactic, and intent.
Tone: constantly defensive but never, ever actually gets aggressive. He makes appeals to his scumread ffs.
Content: he's still explaining that one post about L-2. Good grief.
Reasoning: see above quote
Tactic: dat D1 roleclaim absent intent to hammer.
Intent: consider that he roleclaimed outta desperation but is not at all acting like he's town and about to die. He's not making loud requests to pursue this or that on D2. Doesn't seem like it's even crossed his mind. The desperation just reads as feigned.
I'm VOTE: 2.7. Let's see how y'all react to him beingL-1.
IMO no one should counterclaim, though. If you're a PR, keep it to yourself. 2.7 is either town doctor and dead on N1, or it's a fakeclaim and he's trying to get you both to claim.-
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So you admit that your playstyle's different? Cuz I just skimmed your ISO in that game and yeah, it was different af my dude. Why are you preempting a meta read on you?In post 176, 2 718281828459 wrote:The only past game is Newbie 1872.
Also, keep in mind that I was not attacked as strongly in that game. Really, I just got over excited and then over defensive, and I should not have. I was not like that in 1872 since I was a vanilla townie.
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It tells me he hasn't read the setup info here but not much else. Maybe he's just a dumb PR player and couldn't care less what possible setups mafia has and just townslipped, or he's faking a townslip. Either way, agreed: do not like.In post 181, Skygazer wrote:Yeah, I agree with the fact that 2.7 said that there could be one PR is pretty sus. I really don't like this claim.
Ugh, this reads so so scummy to me.In post 176, 2 718281828459 wrote:Also, I thought we were supposed to not lynch PR claims unless someone counter claims.
However, to be fair, having read a bit of his previous game, which is his first & only on the site, that setup had possibilities of only one PR as well.-
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I'll take you up on that fight. If I were scum right now and he was town, I'd leave him alone N1. Kill one of the townies on his wagon and go after anyone who said not to lynch him. If scum can push a misslynch today, leaving him alive guarantees they end up in LyLo. It's a pretty obvious play. Plus they'd know who the doctor is so they'll be looking for clues as to who he thinks is valuable.In post 186, Formerfish wrote:Also, we are not lynching a pr claim today. Anyone who pushes that is bad and they should feel bad. If he isn't a pr then we will probably know tomorrow. If he is then he probably does tonight. We are not doing the scums job for them.
Anyone who feels differently can fight me.
If he's scum and we lynch him tomorrow, it gives his partner plenty of time to crumb a bus. We have no real associatives right now, I don't see a way in which we'd lynch his partner on D1.
If we lynch him today, we'd have a great chance at getting scum on D1. Me, brass, and Nonny become conf!town. The odds of lynching an actual townie are pretty high D1. We'd also protect actual PRs from counterclaiming.
And if he's town, well, it's like you said, we did scum's job for em and we try again on D2. But I don't wanna spend 28 days wondering whether he fake claimed on D1 and we were all too afraid to press him.-
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Fair enough. Doubt we'll get that CC, odds seem slim.In post 201, Bins wrote:I'm only saying claim if you ARE a doctor. Don't CC if you can't actual prove the claim as false.-
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Nah. If we lynch one scum on D1/D2 we delay LyLo by a lot. Scum planning on a quick LyLo wouldn't bus without prompt from town. They'd want two misslynches on D1/D2.In post 209, nonny wrote:Skygazer: I made a post before about 2.7's 98, it does seem an odd statement, especially seeing that scum does have someone to talk to and possible guide them.
Currently I'm still scum lean on 2.7 as well. Hypothetically if someone CC doc, we lynch 2.7, and the CC doc is alive tomorrow then day 2 is wasted on WIFOM? Maybe it's not a good play, but isn't that a possible scenario were scum could buss (am i using that right?) their partner in an effort to make it to lylo? Seeing as there is no guarantee that we even have a doc in set-up.
I never said it was a negative, that is your own connotation. Do with it what you will.In post 194, TrinityNZ wrote:In post 153, nonny wrote:I'm hesitant to even respond to the multiple people saying I was "self deprecating", what I said about being a perfectionist was not meant to be self deprecating. I asked a question, received an answer, and responded to the answer. I did not phrase it as "woah is me, poor me", merely stated a fact and noted I'd try to lighten up since I'm just a serious person. This is the last I want to post about my personality, if you see it as scumread so be it, I feel like I've explained where I was coming from enough, either you see it as genuine or you don't.
The definition of self-deprecating to me is that it isn’t about “woe is me, poor me”, but is about putting yourself down to appear humble and therefore a nice person. And so then I ask, why do you need to make us think you’re a nice person?
So then, what is your current take on the 2.7 discussion going on? Seeing as that's our main concern currently, it'd be good for every player to weigh in.In post 194, TrinityNZ wrote:
Yes, you’re right I’ve probably mostly replied to previous posts as I’m still having probelms figuring out how to reply to earlier posts and do quoting properly. So it’s easier just to reply to something and follow on from what was previously said. Also, I’ve been trying to be active, but haven’t always been sure what to say, so again it’s easier just to follow on from an existing topic. I’m sure I’ll get better as the game goes on. I’ve changed my view now to descending rather than ascending, so that will probably help too.In post 153, nonny wrote:This explanation I have nothing against, feels legit and I respect knowing how you read things yourself. The part that I don't get is why Trinity is sheeping, almost every post from her is just following another player, like in post 122 (how do we link to posts?), with time can find more examples as well.
Meaning if 2.7 is scum fakeclaiming doc, their partner has hopped off his wagon or was never on it. We get one scum today we end up in LyLo on D4, assuming it's all misslynches from there.-
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This is a bad postIn post 222, IcemanCh wrote:I'm willing to bet scum is on damage control right now and that's why we haven't heard from E2.7
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We ask you the questions here. Are you gonna pretend you're scum reading me now? Cuz that's a convenient 180 from the post directly before that.In post 225, 2 718281828459 wrote:
OK...In post 223, GuerillaWoo wrote:
This is a bad postIn post 222, IcemanCh wrote:I'm willing to bet scum is on damage control right now and that's why we haven't heard from E2.7
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Jumps on a wagon after low activity as an extension of another player's rationale. It's discomforting cuz I'm not getting a sense of how you see 2.7In post 232, IcemanCh wrote:In post 223, GuerillaWoo wrote:
This is a bad postIn post 222, IcemanCh wrote:I'm willing to bet scum is on damage control right now and that's why we haven't heard from E2.7
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Scum have their own private thread.In post 237, TrinityNZ wrote:I’m leaning towards E2.7 and nonny being both scum. He is being unnecessarily defensive of her and she is looking like she is telling him what to do, like build a defence, and giving possible explanations for some of his posts.-
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UNVOTE: cuz I'm getting cold feet.
Is it really, really strange that I'm hoping to god 2.7 is town and that he gets killed N1. Feels like this entire claim destroyed town's trajectory. I both don't want to know that I led the wagon on a doctor and I can't imagine the WIFOM we're all gonna go through if he stays alive until D2.
Not sure what I want to do but I'm uncomfortable keeping him at L-1. How about instead of hammering him within the next couple of days we just spend time scumhunting? Cuz I only have Leans and nulls at this point.
Don't worry about what you're meant to do. I kept getting scumread my first game cuz of this, and it wasn't until I just forgot about my own inexperience that I started making legit plays. Might take you a while but honestly, no one's"meant to" be doing everything.In post 251, TrinityNZ wrote:
You do realise this is my first game? I thought that’s what I was meant to be commenting on.In post 249, Skygazer wrote:VOTE: Trinity
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And because her only two reads were on the two biggest wagons at the point she gave her reads.In post 247, nonny wrote:You still have not answered what you think of the role claim.-
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Hey this is my argument :pIn post 283, Formerfish wrote:So I don't know about you guys, but I do a lot of my best thinking on the john. So as I'm sitting here I have this thought:
We might be better off killing 2.8 today no matter what.
I know. I know. That sounds kinda crazy, right? My question to you all is this, is it?
Say he is town. I as scum would not kill him tonight. I would leave him alive because tomorrow when he's not dead it's almost a free mislynch right there for them. Also, I would probably no kill for the simple fact that as the towndoc he could pick one of the scum team to protect, which would in effect clear that scum player when town2.8 is killed and flips green.
Now from the flip side. If 2.8 is scum I would probably no kill as well. It would ratchet up the wifom to unbelievable levels on not only himself but also on whoever he "protected."
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Why's everyone using the word protocol all of a sudden. Wonder if that's worth looking into. :')
Bins can you explain to me what these "protocols" are and why they're so unique in this game and why on top of that these unique "protocols" would cause a townie, specifically a PR, to not only freak out and arrive at everyone's scum-dar but on top of that to meekly claim PR then doc.
Because this is an unnervingly particular scenario and the word "protocol" is vague.-
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I'm smoking now so, terribly. Still, one in three days isn't awful considering I'm a chain smoker.In post 315, Skygazer wrote:Relax, I haven't hammered yet, I just stated that I intend to.
Guerilla, how is quitting going? I'm in the same boat as of today.
Good for you bud, good choice. If you need tips lemme know cuz I've gone through this a bunch and I know how tough it can be.-
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FairIn post 314, Bins wrote:What part about me catching up after getting back from Paris so wait 24 hours is so hard for you to understand? Not everyone has weighed in yet. There's still other players in the game I want to talk about.
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I'll look that book up.
It's easy for me to find smoking disgusting when I'm smoking, but after three days when the cravings kick into fifth gear it's really just about stopping the confusion and time dilation. For me that's the worst part, not the burning lungs or headaches, it's where your brain turns dumb and time goes slow.
The replacements are so great though. I stopped the patches cuz I felt like I had to go off nicotine entirely and I was back smoking. My biggest advice is don't stop the patches and don't feel like any of this is an issue of willpower.-
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