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Finally. I'm giong to ego this for laterReformed boy - just trying my best
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I am new Vex VienceIn post 3197, Flavor Leaf wrote:Who’s pant?Reformed boy - just trying my best
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I looked away for an hour and there were ten pages. Neat.
I don't buy the push on kuribo right now. It just looks like nonsense to me.
Also for fun all of the notes from the previous player in this slot are handwritten in a notebook that was then photographed and uploaded. As near as I can tell, they had a pool so I'm going to park my vote on one of these folks for now.
VOTE: omnom
If anyone can give me a SHORT tl;dr off whose scummy or what for the first two days is relevant, I'm happy to have somewhere to start looking.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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Are we really going to do this againReformed boy - just trying my best
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DV if you think nom is scum, why are you voting kuribo?
You're not scum again are you >:(Reformed boy - just trying my best
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I mean it's early enough I'm also happy to lynch FB to make the day phase suck less with less trolling. After my last large theme with him, I do skip most of what he posts.
Though I'm still interested in seeing DV respond to my post firstReformed boy - just trying my best
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Imagine replacing into a game, spamming and trolling, and then complaining the game isn't interesting enough for your timeReformed boy - just trying my best
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Yeah but if you think nom is scum, why did you choose to vote kuribo instead. You could have joined a wagon with someone you town read.In post 3817, DeasVail wrote:In post 3573, panthaleon wrote:DV if you think nom is scum, why are you voting kuribo?
You're not scum again are you >:(
The vote on kuribo was not the first time I had indicated suspicion of him, and in responding to gamma I did have some doubt on nom being scum.In post 3574, Gammagooey wrote:
DV I'm trying to delve deep into your heart here and then you go and make another vote I don't understand it's frankly quite rudeIn post 3573, panthaleon wrote:DV if you think nom is scum, why are you voting kuribo?
I read a few of your links and they're not great but nothing super damning imo (though I'm going to read them again tonight when I'm not on mobile), there's a few posts around there that felt pretty genuine though (particularly nom mentioning she was laughing at creature coming in basically the second he was hammered)
I've also felt pretty low in confidence in my reads and so with my team being quite passionate about kuribo and nom being scum I wanted to push there.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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Sure whatever I'll claim. Maybe it'll spur some discussion.
My Neighborhood has the ability to role block the group ability of another Neighborhood. We vote on a player, and then that player's Neighborhood is blocked. We picked Davesaz both nights, though tbh I'm not really sure the deeper motivations because I replace in more or less as night ended.
At this time I will not be revealing who the other members of my Neighborhood are, since I think our ability is good if Neighborhoods start whittling away and town-oriented group PRs flip over to scum. I don't want them to be potential targets.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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DV can you please explain your town read on kuribo and reconcile it with your team's scum read on kuribo? This would go a long way in making me think that you're not scum.In post 3875, DeasVail wrote:
I don’t think I have played with you since 2012.In post 3842, kuribo wrote:In post 3815, DeasVail wrote:
What is worrying about that to you exactly?In post 3601, kuribo wrote:DV who's starting to worry me because he's becoming erratic
You wanted no part of a wagon on someone that you couldn't even be bothered to claim was town. You looked at that wagon on an extremely scummy player (volxen), said you didn't have any reason not to lynch it, and then wouldn't put your vote where your mouth was. It makes me wonder why you'd avoid a wagon on someone you said you couldn't make a town case for. You can excuse not voting voxlen all you want by saying you thought a replacement would offer insight (how'd that work out) but I still maintain that if you're THAT sure a slot is scum, it won't offer insight. Ever. I've been making this stand for years. Hell, I've had people hand me the hammer on replacements I'm scumreading because they know I won't hesitate to save the mod the trouble.
You can say all you want that you'd been building to your vote on me for a while, but your posts don't indicate that either.
You think nom is scum, but you're not voting there either.
You've said you don't think I "care" about the game. Have you played with me since 2012?! I don't fucking pretend to have stronger opinions than I really have, dude. And if I have some apathy, have you considered I've already explained that this game is complete dogshit for me? Do I really need to go on another multi-paragraph rant about why I hate being alive in this shit?
Bottom line: You're playing it safe with your votes. You were confident enough in nom scum to counterwagon off volxen (who you didn't townread) and yet today you're trying to stay off a nom wagon.
So yeah, dude, I'd say your behavior is worrying.
And I never actually had a scumread on volxen. He’d made hardly any posts so it would make sense that I would want to wait for more info before lynching that slot.
My suspicion of you was to a large degree influenced by discussion with my team and I’m pretty sure I’ve indicated that.
I also think you’ve taken a vote to mean more than it actually does. I don’t need to be super confident in a nom scumread to vote nom Day 2. I haven’t had much confidence in any scumreads to be honest.
UNVOTE: Kuribo
VOTE: Nom
I’ve decided that this is where I want to go. I will have to talk with my team about the kuribo read because I do think he could be town while they were strongly scumreading him. Watch this space.
My team, however, is aligned on nom being scum and I think that they’re justification used to vote me is further evidence of that. I think that nom has been looking for an excuse to suspect me for a while and the reads contradiction thing is... super weak? There was not even that much change in my reads and I think it would be expected by town that reads would change. This feels like scum deciding that they want to be on my wagon or want to “suspect” me and have been searching for a reason to justify it. It does not feel like town considering a slot’s posts and forming a read based on that.
Gamma, you’ve said that no one is trying to convince anyone of nom being scum but I have pretty consistently throughout the game been talking about why nom is scum.
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Dave, I’m interested in why you haven’t used our hood to try and form your read on me. I still think you’re probably town but I’d like to hear from you about it.
I also really do need justification from Maria/kuribo about why roleblocking an unknown hood’s ability is considered a good idea. Isn’t it most likely that this ability will be mostly town-controlled?Reformed boy - just trying my best
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I can't decide between omnom, FB, DEB, and DV, MariaReformed boy - just trying my best
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I was going to vote DEB but it looks like you already have a wagon working.In post 3896, MariaR wrote:
You're legit told if you get turned voteless right? If people use your power then they get outted.In post 3894, Ankamius wrote:do you agree that if there's scum in this hood, all the town abstaining does nothing but give the scum in the hood free rein to vote remove whoever they want?
I like FB/DEB vote wise. DV has had his good moments and I still think if FB is scum nom isn't.In post 3895, panthaleon wrote:I can't decide between omnom, FB, DEB, and DV, Maria
Can you tell me why nom is not scum tho?
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There are just so many notes and they're very hard to read.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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Was nom ever pressured for it? Or was she just a name that was thrown around?
Like I can definitely imagine scum blocking a wagon from coalescing, and her just slipping to the background. I also will not be reading the FOUR HUNDRED POSTS that make up her iso.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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No but like a wagon wagon, or like a nonstarter wagon?Reformed boy - just trying my best
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Maybe A50 disagreesReformed boy - just trying my best
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You'll have to talk to Maria and kuribo. Vex left notes that Dave was also scummy, so that was good enough for me.In post 4041, nomnomnom wrote:Yes, but why Dave specifically? I still don't understand.
Forget about the voteless hood. I want to know why Dave in particular.
They have not! But I guess I'll pass your interest along.@Panthaleon: He wants to know what Oka is writing in your PT/Discord, he's pretty certain Oka is staying caught up.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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God I thought I was on the right page and then there were more pagesReformed boy - just trying my best
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Oka says they weren't paying attention, but that omnom and chennisdan are on their shit list
Also apparently EC means Eddie Cane and he's good. Neat.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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Yeah the assumption was a scum doublevoter is ridiculously powerful, so odds were dece we were all townReformed boy - just trying my best
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If they are not scum together, which one is town?In post 4190, DeasVail wrote:I kind of want them to be scum together but I’m not sure if that’s actually possible here. Maybe not.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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Can you tell me how firebringer is town? I'm having trouble distinguishing anything from the trollingIn post 4192, DeasVail wrote:
FirebringerIn post 4191, panthaleon wrote:
If they are not scum together, which one is town?In post 4190, DeasVail wrote:I kind of want them to be scum together but I’m not sure if that’s actually possible here. Maybe not.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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Hey bud what's going on over there?In post 4271, DeasVail wrote:
DO ITTT. LYNCH NOMNommmmmIn post 4257, Gammagooey wrote:HEY NOM have you considered that actually answering people's questions instead of ignoring them might help people actually read you better
and also that you ignoring questions and only talking about your scumreads and not your townreads when this is the 3rd time I've asked you about it is KIND OF GRATING.
yes you have mentioned your opinions on DV & FB recently so I've crossed that out but please give me your townreads at the moment.
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yes let's and also answer what I asked you this morning pleaseIn post 4113, nomnomnom wrote:DV Ank FB is looking like a promising pool. Let's discuss those.
I would lynch both of DV and FB, DV for reasons I've already said and FB because (as someone else mentioned or at least implied something similar to recently) GiF is a good player but his day 1 play was garrrrrrrrrrbaaaaaageIn post 4091, Gammagooey wrote:Hey nomnom, what are your thoughts on DEB and DeasVail?
I wouldn't mind hearing some other more detailed thoughts from you too (if X is scum Y is a likely scumbuddy or who you think looks particularly town at the moment) but I gotta go now so I can't give you more specifics than that of what I think would be cool to hear from you atm.
you are fine with DV getting lynched, why is that your opinion on him? also what are your thoughts on why you want FB dead, and what are your thoughts on dave in general?Reformed boy - just trying my best
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Imagine being obv town unironically
Also DV for serious the fuck are you doing? You're usually better than this.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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I dunno I'm trying to get a read on you and you feel off. Your tone feels inconsistentIn post 4299, DeasVail wrote:
I don’t really understand.In post 4286, panthaleon wrote:Imagine being obv town unironically
Also DV for serious the fuck are you doing? You're usually better than this.
I’m having fun with the game and my role, sure. But I have a scumread on nom, I’ve explained reasons for my scumread. And I am pushing it.
What more do you expect from me?Reformed boy - just trying my best
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What does that meanReformed boy - just trying my best
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I mean instead of moping about, you could leave some good reads for if you flip town. That would be the townie thing to do here.In post 4451, nomnomnom wrote:To be honest I feel like I've hit the point of no return and that anything I will say will be considered scummy because I'm not throwing ultra certain reads left and right so yeah.
Or you can mope and whine until you try to get people off your reason, which is the scummy thing to do.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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K I'm not moving off of nom.
You're welcome to leave reads for us to look at if you're town, or you can just mope your way to death.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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Nom does it bother you at all that you're just throwing a tantrum instead of doing anything to help the town?Reformed boy - just trying my best
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I still see a person who is more interesting in saving their skin than providing information.
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If nom flips scum, my next people in interested in reading more are DV and fb.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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I do expect you to provide reads of the remaining players because that's what townies do. It provides a solid foundation on which the rest of the totem can build a better understanding of other player alignments.
If you're disinterested in helping the town, then you're right that you should probably be hammered. It is a shame if you actually do turn out to be town.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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Is it just this post? Or am I missing the post you're referring to?In post 4264, nomnomnom wrote:
Honestly I have none.In post 4262, Gammagooey wrote:
What are your thoughts on dave and who are your townreads & why?In post 4258, nomnomnom wrote:can you repeat the question?
I honestly don't have many townreads which should be concerning but I like Maria, A50, Kuribo, EP.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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Look ank I appreciate where you're coming from, but I'm not getting off of nom. Even if they're town aligned, they're dead weight that will be a liability at end game. And if they're scum, I'm not ok letting them cry a wagon off of them.
If you want to talk about DV tomorrow, I will be more than happy to though. I agree that his votes onto kuribo and then back into nom looked very bad.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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I am mostly disinterested in meta data because I play this game once every several months when someone asks me to help them out.
Specifically though nothing nom had some had been useful, and I don't foresee them suddenly becoming useful once they get to live another day. They have articulated a disinterest in being helpful and I don't see their reads and activity improving.
They should accept their played scummy, leave a list of reads for the town, and then eat the rope like a helpful VT.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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Neat. Maybe if you demonstrate some of those skills now, I'll sixteen my positionReformed boy - just trying my best
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You're welcome to whichever opinions your would like. I'm going to continue doing whatever the fuck I'm doing right nowReformed boy - just trying my best
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lmaoReformed boy - just trying my best
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Do you mean the one other game I've played in the last year again as a favor for a friend where I got annoyed by low effort trolling and then was night killed for being obv town?Reformed boy - just trying my best
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I thought you were talking about my meta.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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Or maybe if I misunderstood your post, you could unambiguate your pronoun instead of being an ass about itReformed boy - just trying my best
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What is a deep wolfReformed boy - just trying my best
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Idk the nom one just fell apart so now we get to play deadline scramble
I still don't vibe with a Maria vote tbhReformed boy - just trying my best
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DV gets what is up
I'm having irl difficulties rn so I'm going to disengaged. I still think nom is the lynch, but I guess I'll consolidate at deadline.
Very disinterested in voting Maria. Potentially interested in the rest.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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I would like to point out nom has suspicion of people suspicious of her, and now she's not doing much of anything except promising she'll look closer later.
Her strat has still been to get heat off herself and that's about it.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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Nomnom continues to have reads that only exist in the context of eBay they think of her slot, and had lost all her punchiness now that her wagon isn't dominant.
While I'm suspicious of DV from earlier in not convinced he's scum.
And he probably thinks I'm town because he's known me for a very very long time and I'm usually extremely obviously town. His entire team is "people who have known me for almost a decade and played Mafia with me online and in person."Reformed boy - just trying my best
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What they think of her slot*
Has lost all her punchiness*
I'm not convinced*Reformed boy - just trying my best
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Nothing about nom's behavior indicates to me someone playing to work towards the benefit of the town or of our mutual success. I see a player pushing for herself and her safety, and has done nothing with the breath of fresh air she was given except cast suspicion on those who still have the audacity to vote her.
The deadline is tomorrow. Nom has failed to do anything with her time, so I strongly advocate for a Lynch on her. I am suspicious of DV but I can say least see angles of his behavior as coming from town.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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Ah who could forget the classic scum tactic of "everyone gets on the same wagon and stays on it." Classic moveIn post 4989, nomnomnom wrote:I think the people that are scums on my wagons are the one that are still on it, or anyone after Ank/DEB because I feel those two unvotes in particular were extremely townie, the rest is up for debateReformed boy - just trying my best
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FB you should join the nomnom wagon. it's very cool and very inReformed boy - just trying my best
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DV I figured out why nomnom might be less enthusiastic about killing firebringer
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This is a dumb voteReformed boy - just trying my best
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I'm going to pout, sit on nom, hammer DV if someone needs to by deadline, and then spend tomorrow tunneling on nom until she, like, does anything.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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The DV lynch is dumb. The hammer was dumb. This game is dumb.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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I wish I was scum. I keep joining games as a favor and getting stuck in as town.
MS has changed man. Everything is about jacking off your ego and trying to single handedly solve the game instead of collaborating and communicating.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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But what if half the reason I joined was because I was exciting to play with you.In post 5051, DeasVail wrote:
It sucks that I got lynched but it might be what the game needed. Who knows? Tomorrow is another dayIn post 5049, panthaleon wrote:I wish I was scum. I keep joining games as a favor and getting stuck in as town.
MS has changed man. Everything is about jacking off your ego and trying to single handedly solve the game instead of collaborating and communicating.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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VOTE: Nomnom
Parking this here to start with. Hey nom play for serious please. Of you are town, tell me who scum isReformed boy - just trying my best
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I mean we can FoS for the second Lynch and point nom if she happens to flip townReformed boy - just trying my best
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After her behavior yesterday, I am not looking anywhere other than nom.
As a happy coincidence, there's also a vengeful kill. If she's scum, we get rid of a liability. If she's town, we get a second Lynch. It's a win win winReformed boy - just trying my best
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I cannot tell who is scum and who is just aimlessly not playing the game.
I do not like the way either a50 or gamma joined this wagonReformed boy - just trying my best
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Ank oka wants to know why your team wanted DV dead and why nom dodged the Lynch yesterday.Reformed boy - just trying my best
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