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oops, I typo'd on the Penguin one, should read
PenguinPower - Scum lean. I liked the gif list, and I could definitely see what your reads were, and like, it showed you've been following along, like, I mostly agreed witht hem at the time. lol idk how you got so many gifs so fast. but good job!! Overall I just want to say not town though, like, nothing seems that bad. but like, the 1 penguin "game" I read, you were town and did a lot more voting.. and the fact implosion called that out too has me thinking possibly not town. It's another low confidence read, but like, if I'm looking at a game, where town you was just voting a LOT, and this game, where you're not really voting.. this is probably that thing where scum are conscious of like every action they make, and like in the town game you had lines where like you were giving good thoughts, and actively questioning people's reads. That game... was Open 836, sure it was only part of a game, but like, you're significantly townier there than here.
I think is what I mean, the issue is gif list happened and I was like "OMG TOWN" cause he had the gifs like ready for that moment! but like, really thinking about it, he's not doing much of anything here, and like in the 70 posts of the town game, he was just significantly better than this, so thus, probably not town here-
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Uhh I believe I was having a good time, got caught up in the moment of just how absurd the SRs on me were. Won't happen again.In post 970, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 704, Andante wrote:
LMAOOOOOOOIn post 703, Gamma Emerald wrote:Andante I feel like is scum because her saying EIGHTIn post 705, Andante wrote:you heard it here first folks... ocho = mafia@Andante what is the intent of these posts?
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In post 987, Gamma Emerald wrote:you can't say I'm not trying to solve if you're going to dodge my attempts to solve you
How is this about trying to solve me? Do you have any thoughts about literally any of the names I put in blue or red?In post 990, Gamma Emerald wrote:what's absurd about VP's opinion on you?-
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mala is scummy for her "read" on meIn post 992, VP Baltar wrote:
Why is George null for you but mala is scummy for lurking?In post 985, Andante wrote:GeorgeBailey - Any intentions on playing the game you signed up for?-
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I mean, if you just speak up, those of us who talk a lot can chill out/condense posts. That's so much better then after the fact "oh yeah, I GUESS the pace was too fast"In post 997, hutmeil wrote:I guess the pace of this game is a tad too fast for me
I might have missed it, but without quoting full posts (just putting the post numbers are fine) could you repeat why Vulture is your STRONGEST SR?In post 998, hutmeil wrote:Vulture - My controversial take. I'm not sure if I should repeat the reasons for my take but I stand by it. As for their other posts, are they more towny or scummy, I'm not sure with the answer to that but I think their posts are logical and makes sense so other than their early d1 suggestion, I don't think I will add scum points to their slot
What feels wild to me, is your list is basically just the ordered version of my list, yet you had no comments for me on any of my people? You just provided a readslist cause I said you feel like you don't want to interact that much, it's generally a lot easier for maf to just quote a bunch of stuff and say whatever, ideally you'd be interacting in live time with someone.
I would love to hear a little more on why you have Penguin, GB, Mala as the same tier. Could I get the non cliffnotes version of your read there?
And you continue to say "I don't like Andante's vote moving" I mean, half the moves were where others were voting, to make a wagon, to put pressure on someone, a way to generate content and get some reads. Like, ok, you hate my vote moving, what about those not moving their votes? This reminds me a lot of mala, you liked how I've been driving most of the conversation, yet you give one "reason" to try and cast some doubt I'm town, I mean, I just gave a well explained readslist that basically got ignored, and only acknowledgement was you "copying" it. Like, hello? yall have been tunneling me all game. I finally give you my actual thoughts on the game, and it's just like, hmmm.... silence...-
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I mean, at the end of the day, please have fun!! Like, don't feel like you have to change whatever, like, be you, have fun! And sure you'll get misread at times, but fun!! If the game isn't fun for you, it's probably not gonna be so fun for others!! Looking at that dead thread, you didn't seem too thrilled by that game. So if you're "throwing yourself harder" just to... be tred? like, don't worry about how anyone else reads you. Like, do whatever you do to find maf, and we lim the maf. simple as that!! Hopefully you're enjoying this game!! And at the end of the day, don't stress yourself out over feeling like you have to try super hard!! Like, there's only so much we CAN do with the amount of people not doing a whole lot.In post 1002, Gamma Emerald wrote:
So to expand on this, a part of my desire to actually make a difference this game is that there was another game (that just finished) where I made a rather sloppy entrance and it put me on the wrong foot for the entire time I was in the gameIn post 931, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'd say that first point is accurate sometimes but not always
I tend to hang back as town more if the playerlist of a game is larger, as I tend to struggle to sort in those instances until a good number of flips occur
this game is a bit of an off case where my natural instinct would have been to be dormant but I felt compelled to act instead
also I feel like I do the commentary thing a lot as both alignments, I have worked to curb it a little but I still struggle with it unless I focus on curtailing it in a specific game
So I felt like throwing myself in a bit harder would help avoid that
If you wanna help sort any of my red/blue names from my list, you're more than welcome to help with that!! If you disagree with a green name, I'd love to hear why I'm wrong!!-
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It means Datisi thinks you're town. You're welcome!In post 1022, VP Baltar wrote:
I don't know what this is supposed to mean.In post 1004, Datisi wrote:the andante case doesn't seem like something scum!him is likely to put out at the time that he did.-
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lol I mean, I'm not SRing you like I was earlier, and you're not a strong TR, so yeah, lean town. Ideally I have no one as null, so like yeah, and you just had a good 1109, so yeah I think I still feel good with that read, you think I just went "no one followed my lead.. ok fine!! implosion town!!" ?? yeah that isn't the caseIn post 1111, implosion wrote:Andante flipping me into a townlean I wanted to say is the kind of thing scum maybe doesn't think of doing but I guess is conceivably a sensible thing for scum to do just because she wasn't getting traction. So I will Continue to be Uncertain about her.
what makes implosion your strongest tr?In post 1115, VP Baltar wrote:Fwiw, I will join the mala wagon if that's what implo and datisi are doing, since they are probably my strongest townreads at this point.
and I really don't wanna read more right now, can catch up later/whatever-
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thoughts? idk?? what should I be thinking? I see "w i l d" said by someone other than me? uhhhh yeah idk, I don't think I have any thoughtful/philosophical wisdom from this?In post 1174, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I think this might've gotten overlooked btw @AndanteIn post 1061, Gamma Emerald wrote:
w i l dIn post 1053, Aristeia wrote:that's an indication of me doing nothing not an indication of me being mafia.
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Datisi: **will take the day off the game to study for an exam**In post 1209, Datisi wrote:like, if i have to write an essay on why my treatment of hutmeil as a partner here is nonsense, in reference with wiz treatment, i will; but i feel like i will be able to scream my way into obvtown if hut flips red anyway, so
Also Datisi: “want an essay on why I’m not maf with this specific person??”
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hutmeil’s ISO concerns me, there’s very few posts actually there, and it’s just “I don’t have the meta yall have” “too much meta” “I need to iso this person” “I ISOd fire and it looks like he’s scumhunting” “I hate vulture asking for claims” “I hate all Andante’s vote”
that’s the entire iso… in like 5 statements…
if you just go “feels like fire is scumhunting” and that’s your entire takeaway from ISOing fire?? unmm
idk what I think about this, but I was like “know what… pull up the iso” and… it’s not amazing..
cause bringing up the “too much meta” … AGAIN, after “I think there’s too many posts” it’s starting to feel like hut is trying to find reasons to not give reads,
cause me following along, i don’t see much if any meta talk anymore, and like, there’s so much non meta talk… like i think the only meta I said was “meta says penguin maf” but then penguin basically went “ha! look I’m town” and so like now I’m not actually convinced penguin is maf… idk that’s not a read I’m committing to at 5am on my phone, this post is about hut. I just saw a penguin vote and.. idk about that, but yeah.. ok whatever, is anyone actually TRing hutmeil here?-
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hahahahha I love this!!!In post 1254, Save The Dragons wrote:the bigger you are, the townier you are
VP Baltar
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So I do some actual game related/towny stuff. and I lose the TR you had on me... cause you TR'd the non game related stuff??In post 1277, fireisredsir wrote:im less sure on andante being town than i was before but still probably leaning that way? idk we'll see
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(cough cough @datisi cough)In post 1260, Datisi wrote:
reposting this so it's not lost on the other page (cough @andante cough)In post 1246, Datisi wrote:
okay, so
one of my biggest problems with a penguinpower yeet is that we don't learn much if he flips green. so here's what we're gonna do:
in your next post, if you're not voting for one of penguinpower/hutmeil, give some reasoning on who you'd prefer to vote for between the two of them, and why. if you don't wanna vote either, explain why andoffer alternatives. if you *are* voting for one of them, say how good you feel about the vote and what you think about the competition.-
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I see/understand the fire/hutmeil wagons, the penguin wagon, ehhh the penguin voters should explain their reads on fire/hut
I’d probably vote fire right now, saying I started towny but became nontowny?? I RECENTLY POSTED A READS LIST WITH SOLID READS… how is that becoming non towny??? half my initial posts were just meh… idk feels sus, fire prob maf, and hut? hut is nervous maf that can’t get into the game and is trying to put that on everything else… thus mentioned meta twice, and tried putting it on pace of the game… ONCE SOMEONE ELSE said something
Penguin actually got townier, but I can’t tell if it’s cause penguin town, or cause penguin read exactly why he was being SRed… idk fire/hut more sus right now-
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you only agree with fire? I don’t think a single person here has outed a sr on dragons… like that’s not even like a hot take???In post 1296, Malakittens wrote:I gotta agree with Fire in regards to std
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good news for you, deadline is in 6 days. not 7. so by next week, we'll be in night!In post 1303, Datisi wrote:i don't want the day to stall for like another week-
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right, says the person tunneling me when they're only 60% sure I'm mafIn post 1305, VP Baltar wrote:
This type of snark doesn't seem like town!andanteIn post 1304, Andante wrote:
good news for you, deadline is in 6 days. not 7. so by next week, we'll be in night!In post 1303, Datisi wrote:i don't want the day to stall for like another week-
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I saw question, so I responded, I told yall I'll vote eventually, you wanted my thoughts on the trio, I gave what I wanted to give for nowIn post 1306, Datisi wrote:why do you respond to something that didn't need a response while ignoring an actual question-
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whatever, in the iso from like 895 on it matches up more with the town penguin I was looking at, that same towngame where I told yall "penguin's game looks nothing like the town penguin I'm looking at" the open 836 game, that I'm guessing none yall looked at that, but rather instead just wanna go "WRONG!!"
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IM NOT SAYING IT'S A LOCK TOWN READ. IM JUST SAYING I SR THE OTHER 2 OPTIONS A LOT MORE.In post 1312, Datisi wrote:all he's been talking about since is how he likes wagons, has no reads on d1, and the weird dismissal of the mala wagon, what is townie for penguin there?-
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I said. he was getting townier. I did not say he's a TR. there's a difference. what's even the point in discussing this? there's just about nothing TO talk about with penguin... I'm here right now, instead of "tell me more on fire/hut" it's "let's talk about penguin who is just chilling" like no thanks...-
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if I had to guess the gif list would be nai at best. cute/funny? yes. but that alone is not something I'd call him town for. 895 on he was like actually engaging with the game/people, thus I said towny. sure I have no idea what his scum game looks like. I just remember that 1 game cause I replaced him and I read the ISOs of people I replace, thus it's in my mind. and I even went back to it, this seems on par for town!penguin. and I mean, you don't even want penguin limmed here right? so why is this even a thing? I think he's town. simple as that, just like you're over there "Ari town" (probably, idk) when ari is doing just about nothing game related? but I'm not interrogating you over this ari read. I was gonna try and figure out exactly where my reads lie today, but ehh maybe tomorrow.. or uhhh tuesday? idk, my city is celebrating independence day today so ehhh, it's kinda a busy weekend tbh-
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I mean, is there nothing wrong with fire calling my start towny, but then once I posted this detailed reads list, I'm suddenly scum?In post 1318, Datisi wrote:if you also wanna further talk about fire/hut and vote one of them (or explain why), i wouldn't complain.-
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In post 1321, Datisi wrote:(2) all he said he was less sure of a townread of you, how the fuck does that equate to "fire said andante is scum"?
Well lets see... if you DON'T tr someone, you think they're scum for 1 reason or another, that's just a fact. so once I started doing actual town things, he became unsure of me?In post 1277, fireisredsir wrote:im less sure on andante being town than i was before but still probably leaning that way? idk we'll see-
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at this point, people like me, with 200+ posts are not going to be a null read. I lean one way or the other in everyone's books, and if someone just says I'm null?? what??In post 1324, Datisi wrote:
noIn post 1323, Andante wrote:if you DON'T tr someone, you think they're scum for 1 reason or another, that's just a fact.
less sure on a townread =/= don't townread
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But I don't get why they would? I know there's a slight shift in my play, but overall, I feel like all my actions would either have people almost certain I'm town, or almost certain I'm maf? like, I don't see how anyone would see me as null here?In post 1332, Something_Smart wrote:
why is that? what if the towny and scummy things you've done roughly cancel out?In post 1326, Andante wrote:at this point, people like me, with 200+ posts are not going to be a null read.-
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and it's like, I've BEEN going "I know my start had like 0 content in it" so now, fire is all "it's not as towny as I thought" like, what? is this because I've been going "I know I had no content, so here's my reads/where my thoughts are" so like "I'm gonna win town points by going "I don't think posts are as towny as I thought they were? like, that's implying fire had an earlier TR for the content of my posts. when I think the TRs I did have were all based off vibes? like, idk, it's not adding up to me, then hearing "maybe fire ahs you as null" like, how would I be null? like, I have the giant reads list? that's literally all anyone needs to read someone. you look at the reads list and you look at the reasoning behind those reads, and that should make it pretty clear whether they're town/scum-
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correct. Wed, Thurs,Fri were wild/busy, BUT... the clients and my department LOVED my research stuff, so that's why there's been ~ nothing there, research is over now, and ehh overall not much has happened, so wherever my giant reads list is, my reads are essentially the same as that, and hey, that 1 post is a lot more clarity on where I'm at than most these others.In post 1344, Gamma Emerald wrote:
atp if you're town you're just not tryingIn post 1341, Andante wrote:*For the record I'm not against voting, I'm just waiting till I feel good about voting somewhere, it doesn't help when half the game is currently next to impossible to read-
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uhh what exactly is this quote from this game proving? I did like nothing at all that game? It's not what I'd use as meta going "SO TOWN!" are we just quoting random things in an ISO from a random game going "yeah so town!!"In post 1347, fireisredsir wrote:Subject: Newbie 2087 | Celebrating Betty White | End!
ok nvm she was town hereAndante wrote:I just finished reading that VOTE: Ahri
yeah no. "I do want to hear more from Andante" Obviously I fully intend to be more active and do me, I told yall I wouldn't be around. I am so sorry I didn't stop at gas stations, get on my phone, and talk here durring my trip. I've given plenty, like, looking at my ISO, I genuinely SR it, and I feel like anyone calling me town is maf that knows too much, cause there's not a towny part to that... this Ahri post feels like maf being very cautious with words-
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just life got busy, nothing about dragons specificallyIn post 1457, VP Baltar wrote:
Because of Dragons, or....?In post 1456, Andante wrote:I kinda just stopped paying attention when Dragons showed up
how? that didn't feel off to you?In post 1458, Gamma Emerald wrote:
howIn post 1455, Andante wrote:I'm not really a fan of the top wagons, but like, not much has happened so idk. hut showing up just to go "me or penguin? I choose penguin!" felt a little odd
So, hutmeil has been DEADSET on vulture maf. Dragons come in. completely drops it. All that's left in the bottom of hut's reads are the 3 lurkers, which hut SRs for lurking. and literally everyone else is null or town. Hut literally isn't trying to find mafia here. like "I'm voting my SR, who is a SR cause of LURKING" and what info do we get when we lim lurkers? nothing-
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hahahahaha I'm not a reliable fire reader, I'd say the biggest thing I noticed were his "reads" I don't think he pushed a single scum that game...
but overall I'm still thinking hut lim is best here... or someone who isn't being wagoned, like Mala. Cause the thread could be dead (I know there was a holiday) cause scum are content with the direction this is going, meaning, change up the wagons, people might start having a voice-
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tbh that PT was FUN!! I loved it so much!! sounds like fire hated it :/ but I had fun!!!In post 1470, Aristeia wrote:I for one am glad VP Baltar is here to warn us about the dangers of Fire!scum and the PT of Doom.-
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if that's happening... niceIn post 1476, Aristeia wrote:maybe some people are playing scummier than usual because reasons
umm basically everyone has went down a level in my reads, I just... idk, I want more to start taking this seriously or something... Dats VP Gamma I honestly just TR for being here, and I know those 3 are fully capable of being maf, so yeah, maybe I should just stop caring, or purposely play scummy? like, this is getting annoying... Anyone wanna... play the game they signed up for? wild idea I know..-
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why isn't mala an option?In post 1484, hutmeil wrote:
Well, it didn't disappear, just pushed to the side since it's me vs the penguin wagon right?In post 1466, Datisi wrote:the people who have been in invictus for longer than i have, does that game impact your read on fire here?
while i don't have a problem with hutmeil voting for self-pres, though i am slightly worried about how the vulture/std read kinda seemingly. disappeared.-
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I don’t care about current wagons, I’ll ask again, why can’t Mala be an option here?In post 1487, hutmeil wrote:
I don't think there's a wagon on Mala? Plus the top 2 wagons are on me and Penguin.In post 1485, Andante wrote: why isn't mala an option?-
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you see how no one is around or doing anything with their votes right now? it means no one is actually deadset on who they vote. I think the consensus is just whoever in mala/penguin/hutIn post 1489, hutmeil wrote:
Not sure what you mean but sure Mala can be an option. She's in my sr as a lurker. I'm fine eliminating lurkers on d1. But I don't think we can get there since it's basically me or penguin at this point.In post 1488, Andante wrote:
I don’t care about current wagons, I’ll ask again, why can’t Mala be an option here?In post 1487, hutmeil wrote:
I don't think there's a wagon on Mala? Plus the top 2 wagons are on me and Penguin.In post 1485, Andante wrote: why isn't mala an option?
Like, I'm pretty certain mala is not town, only doing anything when there's direct pressure? that feels scum indicative to me. I'm not sure I'm a fan of this "must be hut or penguin!!!" "woe is me" thing like, getting the mala votes is not going to be a hard thing to do. So I'll ask again. Why not mala? what is townier about mala lurking than penguin lurking?-
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what's towny about mala?In post 1499, Aristeia wrote:um what did you find townie about Penguin's posts?-
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the ONLY significant contributions we got from mala was when mala had direct pressure, and the wagon going her way. I genuinely do not believe this entire penguin wagon actually believes penguin flips red here.
If yall want to think about it, you had your "dueling wagons" on hut and penguin and game was dead, none of yall feel strongly one way or the other. I feel pretty strongly that mala isn't town here, so, I ask that yall at least think about voting her. thanks-
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well yeah, if people are making dumb wagons for the sake of running people to e-1 obviously a mason will be outed, thus... we're smart about this. and only send the people we SR to e-1... wow what a conceptIn post 1502, Aristeia wrote:nothing
but if we run up each scummy player to e-1 one by one we're going to out a mason eventually
and a sr for lurking? is not a legit sr, and you can't convince me it is.. @hut-
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I was literally talking about mala maf before penguins vote, what are you talking about?In post 1509, Datisi wrote:and while competing wagons closed to deadline can be good, the fact that one is lead by the penguin is. uh. y'know. kinda concerning.-
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I don't think penguin is maf here, that penguin gif in response to "I'm waiting for penguin" like, yes I laughed, but I don't think that's how scum!penguin approaches this game.In post 1521, Save The Dragons wrote:penguin is doing nothing just shitposting. i thought his entrance was townie just on vibes but after seeing nothing happening with the slot i'm slowly getting more and more convinced it's just a scum slot doing nothing and lurking.
mala's attempts at catching up have seemed town, they remind me of the coalition game
and the fact mala's "catchup" happened when she has all the votes on her means nothing? mala is mafia here.