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I did not even consider the option of picking a Much Too Big number to guarantee uniqueness strat, kinda wish I had
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The site seems to mostly run the same, it just *feels* wrongIn post 15, marcistar wrote:
1. how do i use the new site wtf im so scaredIn post 13, Lukewarm wrote: Marci, no
2. LISTEN I HAD TO THINK
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I would argue that there is a pretty sizable distinction between a low<->high meter, and a 360 degree wheel.In post 68, unwnd wrote: You are just selling the product I made with a different label attached
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That was not intentional lol.In post 102, notscience wrote: Ages ago I'm pretty sure?
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it was more a joke that I typically fit under the description for bear lol
I thought it worked best if the one on the far right was the left over one, and then I gave LLD the girl of the two on the left-
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Do you mean, how do I feel about the people who said they think I am town?
It is early enough that I am assuming all reads are pretty weak.
I was a little surprised to see LLD's read on me as it happened, because she had not interacted with me at all, so my gut reaction to LLD's post was to ask why, before remembering that she never explains her town reads, so deleted the post lol. I don't really have a read on LLD yet
Notty and I had enough interactions with our Super Secret Hood that I could understand an early read on me, and I would call him somewhat townie too. I liked that his first read also turned out to be Marci.-
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I think that unwnd is trying to move his needle on his own alignment meter. Pre-anticipating this being a harder game then it already is.In post 204, unwnd wrote:
I feel maybe a bit weird because I know this game will be difficult and leading with inferences is all I've got at the moment. It does invigorate me way more than meters howeverIn post 202, Ydrasse wrote: i know you can't play like you played in that other game because i will bring righteous fury but you feel weird
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There is a weird tension between Ydra and unwnd.
I have played two games with both Ydra and Unwnd in them before, and they also had a weird tension between them, But the tension here is ~different~
Like, in both of the other ones Ydra leaned REAL hard into it, and she was scum both times, and she isn't doing that here. I think that Ydra can have one (1) townie point.-
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I am fairly certain that that was sarcasm, and he was saying that you are *not* frozen scumIn post 236, Taly wrote:
sharp tune change from "you're not really scum" to agreeing with "yeah, frozen scum"In post 228, notscience wrote:
<br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">I looked at ten separate intros in prior games and there was only one instance of that awkward circlejerk and even then it was like this weird half mast? But multiple instances of town doing it in a similar capacity, as well as one instance of taly complaining about RVS which they then proceeded to do without any prompting or mention from me<br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">But yeah, frozen scumIn post 225, Bell wrote:<br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">You called them boring instead of obvious frozen scum.<br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">
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I just got to his entrance, so I am kinda looking to see if he has said more since then.In post 269, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: Luke what's your KT read
Main thing I noticed was that in their first post they said that they still did not understand the mechanics, and then the moment they were questioned on that they changed it to not having known the mechanics at the time of making their number pick, but have since read the mechanic, which was odd.-
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Ceph thinks I am an amazing scum player *blushes*In post 242, Cephrir wrote:
Gives easy townread to amazing scum players for doing nothingIn post 240, Bell wrote:
Like 3, vaguely.In post 235, notscience wrote: Bell how many townreads do you have?
Peta maybe sort of. LLD maybe sort of.
I forgot who the third one was. Luke kind of, but kind of not.
No comment about obvtown cephrir
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STD, I am disappointed. When I saw you asking about memes, I was really expecting to see this gem again
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I have a problem... I have caught up, and I did not find a scum read :/
Trendy choices seem to be Notty and Taly.
I kinda think Notty is town? I liked that he appeared to stop and do some meta skims when he saw something that pinged him. It was well telegraphed too, like he voted in 82, made a comment about meta diving in 109, then largely disappeared from the thread for ~20 mins, before coming back with a new take on Taly in 122. That 20 min thread break would be an impressive touch if faked.
I am having a hard time sorting Taly, just because every post she makes seems to either misunderstand the post that is directed at her, or she is responding to posts directed at other people. I am not sure how to sort constant misunderstandings tbh.
I would request LLD and/or Peta to solve the game for me please.
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I guess the biggest thing I did not like at this point was the course correct when questioned from VOTE: Kingtroll-
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Its okay, we all have our bad days. I'll learn to forgive you one dayIn post 305, unwnd wrote: Lukewarm you should be very scared because I am not currently townreading you-
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Oh.
When you said, not town reading me, I kinda thought you meant you did not have a read on me at all. I did not realize that you were saying you had scum read on me.-
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LLD and Peta are the two people on this player list who I most respect their reads, and therefore I am hoping to get more reads from them for me to see if I agree with them.In post 308, unwnd wrote:
Most egregious line in the game coming from a -you- perspective and just in generalIn post 303, Lukewarm wrote: I have a problem... I have caught up, and I did not find a scum read :/
Trendy choices seem to be Notty and Taly.
I kinda think Notty is town? I liked that he appeared to stop and do some meta skims when he saw something that pinged him. It was well telegraphed too, like he voted in 82, made a comment about meta diving in 109, then largely disappeared from the thread for ~20 mins, before coming back with a new take on Taly in 122. That 20 min thread break would be an impressive touch if faked.
I am having a hard time sorting Taly, just because every post she makes seems to either misunderstand the post that is directed at her, or she is responding to posts directed at other people. I am not sure how to sort constant misunderstandings tbh.
I would request LLD and/or Peta to solve the game for me please.
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My assumption was that if he was scum, he would not do meta work for an excuse to move a vote this early in the game. So, seeing evidence that the meta work happened (the timing) makes me think he is more likely to be town.In post 310, Cephrir wrote:
Surely even if scum he really did the meta. Of course that would require a few minutesIn post 303, Lukewarm wrote: I have a problem... I have caught up, and I did not find a scum read :/
Trendy choices seem to be Notty and Taly.
I kinda think Notty is town? I liked that he appeared to stop and do some meta skims when he saw something that pinged him. It was well telegraphed too, like he voted in 82, made a comment about meta diving in 109, then largely disappeared from the thread for ~20 mins, before coming back with a new take on Taly in 122. That 20 min thread break would be an impressive touch if faked.
I am having a hard time sorting Taly, just because every post she makes seems to either misunderstand the post that is directed at her, or she is responding to posts directed at other people. I am not sure how to sort constant misunderstandings tbh.
I would request LLD and/or Peta to solve the game for me please.
@Peta, why are you voting Dunn?
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Oh. I don't currently have a town read on either of them.In post 312, notscience wrote: I actually agree with unwnd that neither one of them has done anything out of range of scum whatsoever
LLD is null, and I did kinda like that Peta both established a list of people that he could default to scum reading, and then immediately proceeded to vote three people not on that list.-
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It seem to me that you think that I was saying that I wanted to just sheep them to eternity, when what I was saying was that I wanted to see their thoughts on the game. To help me form my thoughts, both on them, and on who ever they have thoughts on.-
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Like, I said that. Saw that LLD was voting Notty and that Peta was voting Dunn, and then proceeded to vote someone outside of their votes.
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What is the reason you see then?In post 318, Cephrir wrote:
"An excuse to move a vote" is far from the reason I would think ofIn post 313, Lukewarm wrote:
My assumption was that if he was scum, he would not do meta work for an excuse to move a vote this early in the game. So, seeing evidence that the meta work happened (the timing) makes me think he is more likely to be town.In post 310, Cephrir wrote:
Surely even if scum he really did the meta. Of course that would require a few minutesIn post 303, Lukewarm wrote: I have a problem... I have caught up, and I did not find a scum read :/
Trendy choices seem to be Notty and Taly.
I kinda think Notty is town? I liked that he appeared to stop and do some meta skims when he saw something that pinged him. It was well telegraphed too, like he voted in 82, made a comment about meta diving in 109, then largely disappeared from the thread for ~20 mins, before coming back with a new take on Taly in 122. That 20 min thread break would be an impressive touch if faked.
I am having a hard time sorting Taly, just because every post she makes seems to either misunderstand the post that is directed at her, or she is responding to posts directed at other people. I am not sure how to sort constant misunderstandings tbh.
I would request LLD and/or Peta to solve the game for me please.
@Peta, why are you voting Dunn?
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ngl, I am having a hard time parsing exactly what you are saying her in the big paragraph.In post 326, unwnd wrote: There has been times where I've joined games with you (Bloodstained/Isekai come to mind) where I have an overzealous take and it dissolves but yeah it's gonna take a lot this time around. This isn't me waving 'hey Luke look at how many times I've townread you correctly so I should know' either.
I've been penchant on just speaking my mind with less shifty wait-and-see as of late so I'm just gonna try and lay out what I exactly saw and let the masses chew on it:
Your approach to the game feels bespoken from just responding to what interests you. You had a small interaction with notty back there but I don't feel like I got anything out of it. My meter on you was a bit of a face-check in some regard, because I think that you are a very reactionary player. Maybe even a little sensitive. This is why you begrudgingly accept when I go 'I guess Luke is town this game' but it's more than that. I feel you're quite receptive too, which is not entirely similar to reaction. You're receptive in the manner you see something going on and your first response is 'ok, here's what I think is going on here and my thoughts add to it.' Then you start forming your own conclusions assuredly and I see those fervent somewhat-walls that make me go 'ok Lukewarm is actually thinking about this game and not just positing information for the sake of thread responsibility.' Your responsibilities in that regard come naturally, but here they don't seem that way.
I'I'm getting a lot of pick-and-choose with what you respond to. When you mentioned Peta/LLD at the bottom of your post I felt it didn't align at all and didn't look like that was something you would mention as town.
But for the last section about Peta/LLD, you are kinda right that mentioning the two of them did not flow out of anything that I have engaged with in this game.
I hit the point where I was fully caught up, and I did not have a solid scum ping that I felt really good about, so I did not have a bone to chase down. I feel you are describing looking for the version of me after I have a strong scum read. My next thought when I was caught up, and not sure who to push, was to wonder who Peta and LLD were scum reading. I looked at LLD and she appeared to have a joke vote down on Notty because he posted a mudkip video. Then I looked at Peta, and I noticed that he was voting outside of his original list of names that he opened with, which made me curious. But there was no reason given.
So I mentioned them, because I thought "I wonder who LLD and Peta think are scum" and when I opened up their isos I did not find anything that really helped me find a place to focus. They did not have a scum read that I really agreed with, or anything that sparked a ping of my own. So I was trying to urge thoughts out of them.-
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During this interaction, I have been thinking that you seem more likely to be town for it. I don't think of myself as an easy target, especially after several other people had started voicing town reads on me. So I don't feel like I am a convenient place to go. You seem reading my posts really closely for possible alignment indicators, when if you were scum I would be a fairly easy person to scum read. Both because it is common, and because of your history of confidently declaring me town in our past games. IF you were just trying to get me to town read you, it seems like you could just imitate that. Given fact that in our last game you repped in an immediately declared a read on me. I also know that you can be town and think that I am scum, because you have done that before, but I kind of expect you to be able to get it right in the end. So I was trying to help you see me as town, by explaining what looked like you misunderstanding what I was saying and why.In post 340, unwnd wrote:Making a cheeky 'hey can I sheep you' comment just feels contradictory to my own perception of you. You're far more openness and not very subtle most of the time. Not bad things because you have a ton of subtle people with coded language participating in this game so the first thing I would personally want to do is figure out your alignment so I'm not just wading through my own uncertainties. In that regard, why don't you have any at all? Your response to me doesn't tell me what you're thinking about, just why you did it
I feel like I have been pretty vocal with my reads so I am not really sure if you mean before this conversation, or just this one.-
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... okay :/
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RudeIn post 351, marcistar wrote: But now I find his luke stuff so funny I want to see more of it!!
Marci, this is the point that bothered me. Not him calling himself town.I dont know what the hell u guys are seeing in kingtroll but yall are blind af, the points yall are pushing on them seem perfectlly normal to me,
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Bell, I feel like you are not meeting my expected quota of slots you have gone up to and just poked with a stick.
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Ceph, if it was just a gut ping, why were you also trying to shoot down my reasons for thinking that he was more likely town?In post 434, Cephrir wrote: Ok I don't think it's doing anything anymore so: I had a moderate gut ping on notty (which still persists if I'm honest) and I decided it would be fun to go on the attack and get some reactions
For my next trick,
VOTE: Ydrasse
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Do you really think that on like page 3, scum!notty would think that the best use of his time to get town read would be to do some meta work on the Taly slot?In post 437, Cephrir wrote:
Because I disagreed with your reasoning. I did think he was scum, but even if I didn't, I would have nitpicked your thoughts process there because I found it odd and thought it might even be scum indicative for youIn post 436, Lukewarm wrote:
Ceph, if it was just a gut ping, why were you also trying to shoot down my reasons for thinking that he was more likely town?In post 434, Cephrir wrote: Ok I don't think it's doing anything anymore so: I had a moderate gut ping on notty (which still persists if I'm honest) and I decided it would be fun to go on the attack and get some reactions
For my next trick,
VOTE: Ydrasse
And what reactions were you looking for? Do you feel like you got anything out of it?
Like, that does not seem like the natural thought process on how to spend time for scum.
Is in thread actively talking to players -> decides to stop posting for 20 mins to do some meta on a slot, and then not even use it to make a push -> unvote from the slot that.
It just does not seem like realisitic scum motivated plan.
Compared to the town process
Sees something that they find suspicious about a player -> go skim that player's opening games to see if it was scum indicative -> realize that it is a play style difference -> unvote.
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I actually think that "scum him thought that just *saying* he was doing meta in order to get town read" was more likely then him actually dedicating his time to do that there. Which is why I went back and looked at that time to see if there really was a decrease in his posting leading up to him saying that he had done meta on them-
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I have discovered that I am currently the topic of discussion lol-
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That might be your perception of your read rate on me, but I also know that you were really sure that I was scum for most of Day 1 in Bloodstained.In post 570, unwnd wrote: I either am town with Lukewarm or he loses against me
So why the hell is he saying shit like 'I'm sorry you don't see it this game'
I'm not trying to lord over him or anything, it's just that if I were in a game and I know some guy can find me with 100% accuracy I'd be way more receptive towards him???
That game, it you did not town read me until the moment that I got a really strong scum read on Titus, and so when you were not town reading me yet this time, and *I* was aware that I had not found a big scum read yet, I just kinda shrug and assumed we'd get there eventually.
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They were certainly similar, in that I saw LLD make a town read, and then stopped myself from questioning her on it, because I know that she does not like to explain town reads.In post 598, petapan wrote:
i think it's not uncommon practice for people to repeat things they said as town when they're playing scum to fake a towntell, i'd have to check the original interaction to see how similar it is but if it's a copy i'd be more concerned, not lessIn post 587, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Okay, so Unwnd, can you tell me if you think Luke is the type who would specifically mimic an interaction to try and engender a townread?
They came about in slightly different scenarios, in HoTD, someone was getting into a 1v1 with her over the fact that she would not explain a town read, and I was trying to like... let them know that that is par for the course this time. While, in this game, Taly asked me what I thought about LLD giving me a town read, and I was saying that I was not really sure why she would at this point, but it was pointless to ask-
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In that ineraction, I was asking Ceph because I thought that Ceph's approach to Notty was kinda scummy, and I was trying to piece together if her really thought what he was saying. I was kind of thinking that he might just be shooting down reasons to town read Notty, to keep Notty under pressure. So I was trying to push into his stated reasons for doing it. I kinda dropped it though, because I liked his final comment inIn post 596, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Like reading this interaction, Luke feels like he is saying things because they are what he is supposed to say, as opposed to approaching it more naturally.In post 438, Lukewarm wrote:
Do you really think that on like page 3, scum!notty would think that the best use of his time to get town read would be to do some meta work on the Taly slot?In post 437, Cephrir wrote:
Because I disagreed with your reasoning. I did think he was scum, but even if I didn't, I would have nitpicked your thoughts process there because I found it odd and thought it might even be scum indicative for youIn post 436, Lukewarm wrote:
Ceph, if it was just a gut ping, why were you also trying to shoot down my reasons for thinking that he was more likely town?In post 434, Cephrir wrote: Ok I don't think it's doing anything anymore so: I had a moderate gut ping on notty (which still persists if I'm honest) and I decided it would be fun to go on the attack and get some reactions
For my next trick,
VOTE: Ydrasse
And what reactions were you looking for? Do you feel like you got anything out of it?
Like, that does not seem like the natural thought process on how to spend time for scum.
Is in thread actively talking to players -> decides to stop posting for 20 mins to do some meta on a slot, and then not even use it to make a push -> unvote from the slot that.
It just does not seem like realisitic scum motivated plan.
Compared to the town process
Sees something that they find suspicious about a player -> go skim that player's opening games to see if it was scum indicative -> realize that it is a play style difference -> unvote.
Yeah, the town process seems more likely to me then the scum one.
Kinda derailed my thinking. The way he said it felt like he really did weigh those options differently then me, regardless of his alignment, and therefore the difference between mine and his thinking on it stopped feeling AIIn post 452, Cephrir wrote:
I just severely disagree with this but I guess it's not very importantIn post 439, Lukewarm wrote: I actually think that "scum him thought that just *saying* he was doing meta in order to get town read" was more likely then him actually dedicating his time to do that there. Which is why I went back and looked at that time to see if there really was a decrease in his posting leading up to him saying that he had done meta on them-
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Ok.In post 603, unwnd wrote: Aye
I don't always find you immediately but I got high hopes I eventually will
Or I don't and you're scum
When I flip town, I guess I can start pointing to this game to show you that you are not actually a Luke-whisperer.
It does not really feel like actually talking *to you* *about me* is actually going to help you find me thought. And I already feel like you are town. So it feels like my effort at this point is better served hunting down scum-
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I don't know if this will help you at all, but I am not really sure that this is a very accurate description of me. In general, I prefer to be scum over being townIn post 584, unwnd wrote: Yeah and I think personality absolutely matters when it comes to people. I think for old codgers like ourselves we're more represented by our will to win. Lukewarm is no slouch, but I don't think he finds joy in tricking people like that. He wants to just be townread on merit of being a good unassuming townie. He does extra when he'sactuallytown however-
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I am going back to catch up, and I am surprised to see that *vibes turned up to 11* from LLD did not dissipate when she came back to the thread today, presumably less high then the day before.In post 474, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
imagine everyone with their clothes offIn post 472, unwnd wrote: How to engage this PList without inferring about meta every 5 seconds
or is that for being nervous
idk, do it anyway
Which is odd, but I also have no idea what that means for her alignment, because I have not seen *vibes turned up to 11* from either flavor of LLD.-
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Is there a reason why this is something that you feel about Dunn, but not saying that about me? I feel like I have said just as much about that from KingTroll as he hasIn post 475, petapan wrote: imo dunn is always going to talk about mechanical things because that's the player he is but it felt like a smokescreen for substance in this case. kingtroll fos from him also doesn't really click with me, could be making something out of a pretty nothing explanation for a number pick-
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That... does not feel like you understood what I was saying there.In post 492, petapan wrote:
this is a pretty wack thing to townlean me for actuallyIn post 315, Lukewarm wrote: LLD is null, and I did kinda like that Peta both established a list of people that he could default to scum reading, and then immediately proceeded to vote three people not on that list.
like what i'm so inflexible as scum that i make an opening like that and have to stick to it?? bizarre
I have tried three times to reword what I meant there, but I don't think that I am making it any more clear >.<
Tl;dr : it was not that you didnt stick with it, it is that it was dropped entirely. And also, it was not a strong thought more, "the only alignment thought I had had about you so far"-
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Like, I hate to do self meta on this, but this is... not how I play scum. Like, "making up good scum cases on people I know are town" is like my one (1) strength as scum (other then just being a high post count player in general), so I really don't know why you would think that "Luke looks like he needs help coming up with scum case ideas from other players" is something that would make you think I was more likely to be scum, then when you thought I was town at the start of the game...In post 554, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Okay, so your feeling is that Luke is being skittish, because he's worried he'll give something away. He's staying on the edges of what is safe to say, and using that to dance away from danger and find his footing.In post 550, unwnd wrote: He's just severely lacking in the department of personable traits. He's spent a ton of time skirting the surface of what's going on and that's it. His first post I called him out might've been an exaggeration but his responses to me also just gave me chills. That post he made where's like 'I'm sorry you don't see it this game' like in what world does such a personable and receptive guy like Lukewarm give such a off-beat answer? That's like, something fucking Bell would do. Do you get me here. He doesn't respond like that as town. If he saw I was dishing out some wordsalad on him he'd be ready with the fork and dig in. He didn't give a shit and moved on, only skirting the surface.
He's just..not like that as town.
So in this worldview, Luke would have asked Peta and I about leading him as a way to gather two strong shields he could have pitch solving ideas at him, and then take the one he likes best and run with it and sink his teeth in there, having backup from a louder more aggressive player if he gets questioned on it.
And because he got rebuffed by you from that, he's been scrambling to find another entry point.
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In post 571, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: Right, yeah. So... my experience is that Luke really is that affable you talk about, and that's very very very fair and normal.
My experience is also that... circumstantially, the previous game I played with Luke (HotD) Luke was much more subdued as town in terms of... energy.
So I'm wondering... circumstantially, how you're... taking that into account
Oh... um. This makes me feel icky. I think I would rather you miselim me then use this as an angle to call me town >.<In post 573, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: god it's awkward to dance around this please for the love of god tell me you understand
But also, you are not calling me town? So I really don't know what you are doing, but... yeah.-
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Dude, there are so many differences in those scenarios. Like, in that game, you repped in, and confidently, correctly, called me town, while simultaneously calling me bad at playing scum. And it PISSED ME OFF that *I* town read *you* for doing that. Like, your read on me annoyed me, and my read on you also annoyed me lolIn post 576, unwnd wrote:
I just went to go get a quotewall of our brief interaction in HotD, you should be able to spot the differences immediately:In post 571, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: Right, yeah. So... my experience is that Luke really is that affable you talk about, and that's very very very fair and normal.
My experience is also that... circumstantially, the previous game I played with Luke (HotD) Luke was much more subdued as town in terms of... energy.
So I'm wondering... circumstantially, how you're... taking that into account
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This game, you vagued about not having a town read one me (which I incorrectly took to be a null read) and that evoked a completely different reaction from me. It neither pissed me off, nor made me think that you were town. So you just got a cheeky response from me. Once you made it clear that it was a full blown scum read, it changed the calculus, because there was a difference between you not yet having a read on me, and you being very convinced that I am scum. But me reaching out to you also did not seem to help. idk man-
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I am curious, what is your tinfoil prediction?In post 623, notscience wrote: For the record my read on you is the only thing keeping my tinfoil prediction a tinfoil prediction-
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omg, it is werid to keep reading a back and forth about me.In post 579, unwnd wrote: I mean it's hard to be 1:1 when emotions come into play
I don't hold people at the level of 'you must act this way at all times or else you're scum' because that's both soul-sucking and poor sport. He could be not feeling himself. He could be trying a new thing. Honestly, all he has to do is give some sort of inference on that level but he didn't. Reeks of guilty conscience
I don't think that is help you at all, but I am not conciously trying anything new. I'm just here, and trying my best
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I... think I need to stop focusing on the fact that unwnd thinks I am scum.-
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I think that the two I am most interested in, are:
What has LLD done that makes her green instead of yellow for you?
And why is marci orange?-
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From the context of you saying your town read on me is keeping it tinfoil, it seems like that would mean your tinfoil was scum!ceph trying to get unwnd to work with scum!lld, to try and save scum!Luke?In post 634, notscience wrote:
I had this weird vibe with that ceph post prodding unwnd to work with lld and then lld immediately wanted to talk about youIn post 625, Lukewarm wrote:
I am curious, what is your tinfoil prediction?In post 623, notscience wrote: For the record my read on you is the only thing keeping my tinfoil prediction a tinfoil prediction
The cascade was just so fucking weird
Because, LLD trying to save me is *not* the vibe that I got from that conversation. During that conversation, she down graded her read on me from town to lean scum, and floated the idea of killing me. The vibe I got was that she was toying with the idea of building up to a trade of my death. "We kill who I want today, and we kill who you want tomorrow" or vice versa.
If it was coming from anyone other then LLD, I think that I would be calling for her head for the kind of positioning that she was doing wrt to unwnd and peta, but I have learned that thread manipulation is totally in town!lld's wheel house too. So, like I am paranoid that she is going that direction, but also don't even know if that makes her scum or not.-
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I think I will go back and look at ceph trying to get unwnd to work with lld tho-
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This is a weird fucking postIn post 536, Cephrir wrote:
I know I shouldn't intrude but I'm wondering what it costs you to attempt to do the things she's suggesting and see if it feels rightIn post 532, unwnd wrote: I'm gonna be blunt myself first:
Do you think I'm a sap who is easily pocketed? I'd like some sort of self-defense that youwouldn'tjust be offering your hand if it meant furthering scum wincon. There's a lot of social preference with your game here and I think you've explained it enough. I'm not discouraging you and I think everything you've said so far I can only respond 'fair enough' and 'that's reasonable'.
However, I think some healthy paranoia does people good. I'm surprised there isn't any sense of paranoia from you in regard to me (or elsewhere)-
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I was getting started doing isos before this conversation, and I just realized that it is like 1 am, and I have to work in the morning >.<
A reads list is coming soon(tm), but now I need the sleep-
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