Starcraft Mafia: 2 -- Game Over!
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viewtopic.php?p=10629498#p10629498In post 26, Alchemist21 wrote:Never again? What happened before?
Kokichi was this. He never bothered activating in MyLo after claiming really clumsily so we quickhammered him.-
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We've spoken about it a fair bit and have made the decision not to focus on signing. We expect quite a bit of clutter because of all the hydras, so we're synchronising our reads as much as possible before posting & collaboratively writing the majority of our posts.
If we did sign we'd be signing most of them jointly anyway - we don't intend to go against everyone's wishes wrt not signing but we're intending to play this game as "one voice" so as to make signing mostly redundant. Hopefully that's something everyone is prepared to respect.
(also as an obvious-tw aside: starcraft round 1 should prove neither of these heads are tonereadable )
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This is super awkward.In post 43, Taly wrote:not feeling the kokichi IC claim but i slight townvibe it anyway
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What's awkward about it Taly?In post 60, Taly wrote:whats awkward is that L-3 wagon on you-
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We're doing this because we think two players posting independently under the same slot harms the ability to scumhunt. We're avoiding any sort of schizophrenic posturing, hydra dissonance, disorganized/contradictory noise, which means you can treat us as if we aren't a hydra. This will make things easier for those who dislike or struggle with sorting hydras.
Stretch your minds a bit, break out the "hydra theory" box you're in, and maybe you'll realize that we're doing this for the town's benefit? We'd never limit ourselves like this as scum (before the game we discussed different ways we could abuse hydra mechanic if we were scum and this wasn't it).
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This is an example of the behavior we're avoiding. Yes, we're a fictive person, but that doesn't mean we're incapable of playing together as one.In post 111, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Ari no, I disagree, Varsoon is right. Does it necessarily make them scum? No but this isn’t your old site and they know that here and they are digging in thier heels despite strong opposition. That isn’t sitting right with me.In post 99, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Fun fact:
On my now deceased homesite (RIP ScrewAttack) there was a rule against signing posts and asking individual heads for reads. This is where my personal theory on hydrae being a single unit comes from. I see nothing wrong with what Shoshin The Worst is displaying here.
Followup Fun Fact:
Discussing this instead of the game is giving me bad vibes on Varsoon. I get that it matters but it's clogging the thread. We should drop it and let the mod rules about signing kick in.
Final Followup Fun Fact:
I Fucking love alliteration
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Oof! I was quadruple ninjad! Dayum.
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That's a bad use of meta. There's nothing inherently scummy about that phrase. It just means "break out the box you're in," or "challenge your way of thinking," which are phrases I've definitely used before as town (e.g. in Laybrinth when discussing your reads).In post 137, Mephistophanes 39 wrote: Varsoon posted 2 links, one to Starcraft 1, where you encouraged everyone multiple times to “stretch their mind” and the second, to TAZ, where you didn’t do that even once.
For some background, I say "stretch your mind" quite often in my yoga teaching to shift how people relate to their mind/body during a practice. It's just a part of how I speak in real life contexts. I'd never thought to use it in the context of mafia until Starcraft 1 because I don't usually use the phrase in an intellectual context.
I was very happy with how it applied in Starcraft 1 and I couldn't even contain my excitement when Varsoon picked the phrase up. Yes, it's such a great phrase that even Varsoon (who doesn't seem to like me much) used the phrase himself in Starcraft 1, as TOWN. Point being, it has nothing to do with alignment. It's just a phrase with a useful meaning in the context of a mafia game. I intend to use it a lot more.
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We are signing. That doesn't change the fact that most posts are written by both of us.In post 143, u r a person 2 wrote:This signing posts thing and follow up posts are the scummiest posts of the thread. Why does town you not just go okok jeez and start signing?
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I'm sorry, what?In post 79, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:P.edit. It is suspicious. Ari thought it might be some kind of RVS gag but I agree, it is kind of giving me slight scum vibes, especially considering both were scum in Starcraft 1.
what part of it is giving you scumvibes? It is literally a decision we made pre-game.
elaborate please?In post 81, Taly wrote:
Your response to it.In post 61, Shoshin the worst wrote:
What's awkward about it Taly?In post 60, Taly wrote:whats awkward is that L-3 wagon on you
@nancy you should feel bad for nearly every post you've made. Literally. You're peddling nonsense.
@harpoon your ISO has become such a farce I'm losing my rvs townread on you. get back to fucking playing.
we're 7 pages in and the only person not circularly shitposting about misunderstanding out hydra dynamic seems to be Taly, who is instead making nonsense reads which I like for scum. is anybody else town this game? probably. why the fuck are town wasting so much time on game theory related nonsense which is not going to catch scum? this is a decision we made post-game. if you don't like it push us for it but embrace the fact you're pushing a POLICY LYNCH and when people re-read this nonsense after we flip you're going to look exactly as stupid as you're beiny. given the strength of this list I'm surprised how much stupid bullshit you're all entertaining rather than actually playing mafia.
can anyone even give me reads on slots other than ours? jfc
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I'm not negotiating. I am telling you, if you're town you need to start reconsidering the way you approach this kind of situation.
When I'm less annoyed I will be looking for players who are actually trying to sort the game.
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sadly not. we are nulltown on Varsoon but are also considering just ignoring him until he removes his trousers from his head. Ari has also been towny and I am not sure getting preoccupied by this bullshit is scum indicative for Nancy.In post 168, u r a person 2 wrote:
can i take these to be scum reads?In post 163, Shoshin the worst wrote:@nancy you should feel bad for nearly every post you've made. Literally. You're peddling nonsense.
@harpoon your ISO has become such a farce I'm losing my rvs townread on you. get back to fucking playing.
take it as my "slap yourself upside the head" reads.
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yes and we were both universally townread thereIn post 169, Varsoon wrote:Your hydra signing is the least of why I scumread you.
I'm not going to re-assess because the last time that you used a combination of 'stretch your mind', emotional rhetoric, and this kind of browbeating to force me to reassess an early scumread on you, you were third party anti-town.
So, nope.
Not going to happen.
=> the stuff you are describing is the towngame or Shoshin, independently.
using a phrase she used ?once? maybe twice? in a single scumgame which she uses irl as a reliable scumtell is a trainwreck and uou should know that. Nancy will be able to testify to TPFKAP's "witch hunt" tell. that is only reliable because that player has used it across enough games it's obviously a subconscious wording choice.-
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I think either :-
1) you are genuinely tunnelled on this (there's guaranteed to be at least one towny who is). I can't allow that to continue and I need you to realise its objectively incorrect sooner or later. or,
2) you are scum looking for nonsense to yell about in the thread so people go "ah ok guess this is town-ragespam-Varsoon, better let that go!". don't forget the mainscum team didn't townread you until you conftowned yourself, via your claim that they were informed was aligned with the town. we know that you can lay down a farcical version of your town meta as scum. we can't allow this either.
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Varsoon we've been sorting and moving the game more than you. When people stop hyperventilating about out hydra decision, we will look townier than you. We don't need the towncred of explaining our Taly read preemptively. taly is the kind of player capable of writing in a narrative driven fashion which means if we alert him to what were looking at/for too early, we'll lose what momentum we do have.
So, no. I am not going to bow down to your browbeating overbearing tactics. Disagreeing with us here is only beneficial for Taly, in that he'll be harder to catch if he is indeed scum. If you heavily disagree, explain why he's town. You are going to need the towncred more than us.
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No like literally we have a read and we're going to see how well the trajectory of Taly's iso backs up or conflicts with our position. you just admitted you're being intentionally close minded about reading our slot and reconsidering your read on our scumread in 180 so I'm not sure why I would bother casing him out for you while you're raging anyway?
want to talk about any other slots? or
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Okay you're not pressuring out slot. You're pushing it for a lynch. Saying we're scum for a progressive hydra dynamic is scum motivated at worst & close-mindedness at best. so we're not really able to react to that pressure any way regardless of alignment I don't think.
Engaging with us on slots is a much better idea. I did just explain why talking about Taly is a bad idea if he IS scum so I'm not sure where to go next. I guess we can leave each other's personal space for 24 hours or something?-
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Hey you!In post 217, u r a person 2 wrote:I've also noticed pintu promising a catch up, and I've been watching to see if he was going to follow through. I guess it's been long enough to plop a vote there.
VOTE: Pintu
What do you think of pintu's post so far? I'd be interested to hear. I had a conversation with the voice in my head about it earlier.-
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Gamma what do you think we gain as scum here by maliciously signing posts incorrectly when they're really obviously incorrectly singed?In post 223, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
Hol upIn post 150, Shoshin the worst wrote:
That's a bad use of meta. There's nothing inherently scummy about that phrase. It just means "break out the box you're in," or "challenge your way of thinking," which are phrases I've definitely used before as town (e.g. in Laybrinth when discussing your reads).In post 137, Mephistophanes 39 wrote: Varsoon posted 2 links, one to Starcraft 1, where you encouraged everyone multiple times to “stretch their mind” and the second, to TAZ, where you didn’t do that even once.
For some background, I say "stretch your mind" quite often in my yoga teaching to shift how people relate to their mind/body during a practice. It's just a part of how I speak in real life contexts. I'd never thought to use it in the context of mafia until Starcraft 1 because I don't usually use the phrase in an intellectual context.
I was very happy with how it applied in Starcraft 1 and I couldn't even contain my excitement when Varsoon picked the phrase up. Yes, it's such a great phrase that even Varsoon (who doesn't seem to like me much) used the phrase himself in Starcraft 1, as TOWN. Point being, it has nothing to do with alignment. It's just a phrase with a useful meaning in the context of a mafia game. I intend to use it a lot more.
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Why you signing as your hydra mate Shoshin?
The only time I’ve considered THAT trick was as scum in a hydra with NM, and while part of the plan there was just to be silly, there was also intent to confuse posting times with it. So there’s tangible scum advantage to signing as the wrong head.
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We've done it twice so far. I think. After explaining with no ambiguity that we weren't interested in signing.
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Alchemist, as someone who has no experience whatsoever in playing with you: how would you be reading yourself, if you were another slot in this game? (Sorry for the annoying question. I'm going somewhere with this I promise.)In post 238, Alchemist21 wrote:
I was wondering why you hadn’t mentioned me yet. It was getting weird.In post 234, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Since this never got a good point to be brought up, I am townreading Alchemist rn. His solving looks genuine and he’s quite present. Matches my concept of town!Alchemist over scum!Alchemist.
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PEdit: I’m assuming that’s Shoshin asking me that since I’ve played with tw a lot recently. Idk about U2, I’ll figure it out and post it in a full readlist later most likely.
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Did you have any thoughts about this post, in particular?In post 192, pinturicchio wrote:Hey, I forgot this existed. I'm going to catch up now. Just skimmed this page and saw the votecount: UNVOTE: shoshin the worst , let's see what happened there.
By the way Shoshin and duck, could you sign your posts please? I don't know Shoshin and I think I can somewhat read the aussie-
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Parsing your spoilered post then discussing then getting back to you is going to take time taly. Just keep doing what you're doing and we will get back to you.In post 281, Taly wrote:Spoiler: Replying to the presumably Nancy head
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Spoiler: Replying to the presumably Ari head
...I really wantSTWto jump into the thread and explain their read on me AND reply to my spoiler to them, because at the moment, I can't find a town-motivated reason for anyone else to push a scumread on me UNLESS they actually give THEIR OWN opinion.-
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Lol...In post 287, Taly wrote:
VOTE: Kokichi OmaIn post 241, Kokichi Oma wrote:Prodge
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Could you throw me a couple of things which you think are unlikely to come from scum!you this game so we can tighten up our read?In post 296, Alchemist21 wrote:
Town.In post 245, Shoshin the worst wrote:
Alchemist, as someone who has no experience whatsoever in playing with you: how would you be reading yourself, if you were another slot in this game? (Sorry for the annoying question. I'm going somewhere with this I promise.)In post 238, Alchemist21 wrote:
I was wondering why you hadn’t mentioned me yet. It was getting weird.In post 234, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Since this never got a good point to be brought up, I am townreading Alchemist rn. His solving looks genuine and he’s quite present. Matches my concept of town!Alchemist over scum!Alchemist.
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PEdit: I’m assuming that’s Shoshin asking me that since I’ve played with tw a lot recently. Idk about U2, I’ll figure it out and post it in a full readlist later most likely.
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Nice, we had an almost identical conversation about that post. At first we weren't entirely sure how to parse it (the reasoning was a bit abstract compared to the more commonplace meta townclears) but the more we spoke about it the more we started to think there's probably no reason to make that post at all, as scum. The timing was also nice.In post 399, Alchemist21 wrote:
Scum me these days gets nervous and avoids posting, especially if someone like Gamma or RC who I know can read me well is present. As it’s been said to me before there’s a certain thoughtfulness in my Town posting that my scumgame lacks. My Townread on Ari is a good example of that.In post 398, Shoshin the worst wrote:
Could you throw me a couple of things which you think are unlikely to come from scum!you this game so we can tighten up our read?In post 296, Alchemist21 wrote:
Town.In post 245, Shoshin the worst wrote:
Alchemist, as someone who has no experience whatsoever in playing with you: how would you be reading yourself, if you were another slot in this game? (Sorry for the annoying question. I'm going somewhere with this I promise.)In post 238, Alchemist21 wrote:
I was wondering why you hadn’t mentioned me yet. It was getting weird.In post 234, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Since this never got a good point to be brought up, I am townreading Alchemist rn. His solving looks genuine and he’s quite present. Matches my concept of town!Alchemist over scum!Alchemist.
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PEdit: I’m assuming that’s Shoshin asking me that since I’ve played with tw a lot recently. Idk about U2, I’ll figure it out and post it in a full readlist later most likely.
Also, if tw and U2 form a hydra it should be called Detroit Become Human.
One of our heads has a habit of tunnelling experienced players who haven't played for a while but you still came out as "probably town".-
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@URAP2 it is alarming me that you're reading slots by whether or not they look scummy at face value, rather than the kind of sorting I'm used to enjoying from you. wrt newbie 1905/07 you made a major conscious effort to get inside people's heads which I feel like you're a step or two withdrawn from here. That case on Mephisto this page boils down to "they've got good optics so they're probably town but I might be wrong" -- this presents more like a mislynch mindset than a sorting mindset. :<
For what it's worth, I feel Nancy and Ari are fairly obviously town. In addition to the optics of taking different sides on arguments etc., don't forget that they've been so actively engaged in the thread and to me, at least, nothing they've done feels pre-planned. I know this dips into meta territory but I don't think either of them has the scumrange to float through the thread this smoothly. And I don't think what they've done is pre-planned. I think while I was reading your case I was waiting for something more decisive, something with meaning.
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With respect to the bolded/pink this was a strange conclusion to jump to. You've seen pintu's scumgame. He's pretty capable of pocketing the duck head of this hydra like, without even meaning to. He's also pretty smooth as scum.In post 249, u r a person 2 wrote:Only the thoughts I gave you. Looking at it further,
The last two lines are funny in the context of the thread.I wouldn't put it past a scum to make that comment pretending not to have caught up as a troll
I have no idea what is record is of reading you, so I can't really evaluate that claim or his motivation for asking you to sign.
he's not playing any other games so I'm willing to believe he's disengaged, although his rvs post did seem excited to play (and why not?)
Are you seeing something here? because I'm having trouble getting much of consequence.
Do you really think there's a decent chance that scum!pintu has sneakily read the thread, sat there and thought about it, and decided to irritate and exposed slot including the duck who he's good at pocketing by making this post, rather than just going in for a softpocket?
Given his scumstyle and the smooth way he presents himself, do you think it would occur to scum!pintu AT ALL to make this post? I feel like its potentially not outside his scumrange, but it'd be a fairly strange evolution of his scumrange.
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@Taly, we will discuss this before giving a proper response but we've gotten the ball rolling. Can I just ask, what is your intention with this post? On first impression I feel like you are pleading with us to nullread you/treat your earlier posting as NAI - is that a fair representation? If not a quick glimpse into your brain would help a great deal.In post 193, Taly wrote:@STW-
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Mephisto may be a demon but they are town.In post 199, Taly wrote:also for everyone who disagrees with me onSTW, give me a SIMPLE bullet-pointed list on the reasons their posting is scum-motivated
*optional challenge because y not?*
convince me howMephistoisn't scum
- Ari's unrestrained defence of our hydra dynamic is town motivated & I fail to see a scum motivation in it.
- he's the more frozen head as scum by some margin and he's been the one reacting to posts in real-time
- Nancy has reads and has reacted to certain things in the thread (e.g. us vs. Varsoon!) which I don't think she'd be able to easily weigh in on as scum.
- I do not think Nancy antagonises us by reading us incorrectly so soon after 6p in Starcraft Mafia.
There's a tonne of tiny reasons to complement this but overall, I'm having a really hard time seeing scum motivation in that slot's actions at all. The fact they continuously townpost adds to this.-
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I'm also not really sure why you scumread/dont townread Alchemist, and I'm not sure why you're voteparking Kokichi given the more active slots here don't feel sorted yet. If it comes close to deadline I think Kokichi is an excellent contender for a policy lynch, but we have time to do more spicy stuff.-
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Definitely doesn't preclude it but I still don't see why you just assume that post comes from scum before it comes from town. There ie indeed a great bit catchup cooling off ITT which I don't think you've addressed yet.In post 409, u r a person 2 wrote:
Okay, good. I thought I had missed something obvious. With respect, I think you're off on this one, mate.In post 404, Shoshin the worst wrote:Do you really think there's a decent chance that scum!pintu has sneakily read the thread, sat there and thought about it, and decided to irritate and exposed slot including the duck who he's good at pocketing by making this post, rather than just going in for a softpocket?
Given his scumstyle and the smooth way he presents himself, do you think it would occur to scum!pintu AT ALL to make this post? I feel like its potentially not outside his scumrange, but it'd be a fairly strange evolution of his scumrange.
So, I DO think scum!pintu likely tries to pocket town!tw this game, but I don't think this post precludes it. Pintu the person is a smart guy with a sense of humor and a bit of flair so I think it is possible that he would find this sort of light trolling amusing, regardless of alignment, but especially as scum.
Further, what about this post has stopped scum!pintu from being able to pocket you? You don't seem to be scum reading pintu, so I'm not sure why this would be a concern of his. I mean, he unvotes you in the same post.
Lastly, he was posting a "im here will catchup" post that he didn't end up keeping. If this is scum!pintu, and he wasn't intending to catch up last night, then the second half of the post might have been his attempt to send town back into a fruitless discussion for a hot minute while he wastes time.
Whatcha think?
I agree pintu isn't locktown from that post but this feels like you're trying to fit the post around pintu being scum, rather than trying to parse the post a few levels down and glean his alignment from it.
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the worst sends his regards right back.In post 418, pinturicchio wrote:
That would be Pin. He send his regards.In post 417, Shoshin the worst wrote:Which head is the worst in love with?
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Having someone give an elaborate explanation of something pretty simple often gives more insight into mindset, than having them quickly summarise something quite a lot lengthier. But that's fine, we'll let you breathe for a bit. <3In post 420, u r a person 2 wrote:TW, you asked me to analyze a very thin iso, and then a very thin post. I know that you and I both think there is value in taking close looks at otherwise inconsequential posts, and I gave you a full faith effort for precisely that reason. It's pretty sneaky to then turn around and read my response to that thought experiment as if I claimed those thoughts were engraved on stone slabs from god.
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I voted him over those others because I think I can read Pintu, so him moreso than those others I want to play.
I'm still voting him because I'm working through both my read of his big catchup and how I want to approach the slot.
Damn can a person get some space to play
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In response to your concerns, Varsoon:
1. the worst addressed the "stretch your mind" phrase in 150. The "no meta" post wasn't a defense to that.
2. the worst has a long history of holding back his reasoning on reads until much later in the game (e.g. in Labyrinth where he gave a read on D1, then refused to explain that read until somewhere around D4), and I often hold back reasoning as well for shorter stretches of time to test reactions. In Taly's case, we've discussed his behavior/meta extensively in our hydra PM and promise everything will be explained before end of D1.
3. We disagree with you about "mafia theory" when it comes to playing hydras. Given our previous experiences disagreeing when we were both town, you shouldn't scumread us for disagreement. We understand that you want to treat us as two separate players who are playing under one slot, but we're not playing as separate players so your desire to treat us as separate isn't possible. We're playing as one player. Given your lack of complaint about others who play as one player (most of the playerlist), we don't think that should be an issue.
4. The fact that we're playing our hydra in this way is actually a town tell for us because if we had received a scum PM we would have used every scummy tool at our disposal, including extensive hydra dissonance, cluttering the thread with disorganized back-and-forth arguments with each other that served no purpose other than drowning out meaningful posting, as well as other scummy tactics that hydra mechanics make possible. As you should know by now, neither of us would ever limit ourselves in this way as scum. Especially me (Shoshin). I don't have a hydra meta so limiting myself like this in my first game as a hydra isn't something I'd do as scum.
We hope you come to townread us because we don't think it's going to be helpful for you to push our lynch all game. At the very least, you should give us an opportunity to find and lynch the scum before declaring us scummy.
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Wow where did you hear this?In post 381, Varsoon wrote:
Shitty reads are an inherent part of mafia. Players swapping at the table in long-form play is not a design element of the game.In post 367, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Game integrity is also compromised by shitty reads, so there’s that too,
Anyway.
I heard that the lurk-meta on Nico indicates scum there but I don't really know if that's true or not.-
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Hold on. What makes you feel entitled to make this kind of statement? How much experience do you have with either or both of our heads' towngames? From a personality point of view this is exactly the kind of thing we would say...In post 461, Varsoon wrote:When confronted with this piece of meta that wasn't even all that damning, their defense was to handwave that the hydra has no meta, which isn't really an argument that I'd see either Shoshin or TW making, as town, when confronted this way.
You're finding reasons to keep tunnelling us Varsoon.-
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You're literally inventing a motive to suit the fact we have not been around as much as we would like. We also declared we would be exiting the thread at the end of our conversation which would be completely ridiculous for scum to do if they intended to disappear and lurk out the pressure while an aggressive towny was tunnelling them.In post 461, Varsoon wrote:Since then, they've largely done nothing of note and seem to have basically taken my pressure on them as an excuse to duck out for a 'cooling off' period where they can let suspicion on them subside/die entirely. Town doesn't do this, in my experience.
Their resistance re:signing isn't something that I townread.
The hydra signing thing should not be townread or scumread. It should not need to be discussed-
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Vars I'm finding it really worrying that you have never stopped to reconsider this read and mystically see no town motivation whatsoever in out iso. This is the kind of read day one which I identify as absolutely fake, I'm just not sure which alignment it comes from with you.
We've definitely towntold a few times in our iso. You've found nothing AT ALL which you think is towny and you're 80% sure we're scum who's just decided to put our pants on our head after rolling SCM1 and play like messy newbscum?
I think you're ignoring the differences in our play and possibly overcompensating for how badly SCM1 went when you disappeared.-
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Just for the record it was so obviously a joke after the Kokichi lolhammer in scm1 I didn't feel the need to react.In post 476, Michael Scott wrote:
To see how others would react to it, *especially* STW. And then I forgot about it.In post 469, Varsoon wrote:For people who thought my triple-vote-hammer was fake; why did you stay silent about it?
I'm curious.
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fam I'm asking him to think one level deeper than he isIn post 545, Michael Scott wrote:
WIFOM.In post 541, Shoshin the worst wrote:We also declared we would be exiting the thread at the end of our conversation which would be completely ridiculous for scum to do if they intended to disappear and lurk out the pressure while an aggressive towny was tunnelling them.
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Just in case that dayvig is real, because Vars' play here is so tacky it could be either.
{STW}
{Nancy}
{Michael, Varsoon, Alchemist}
{AlmostChara, ProFlavor}
{Nico, Mewtaph, tibor and lumia, Kokichi}
{pinturicchio, URAP2}
Michael is probably teetering on dropping a tier from this conversation. But I'm not sure on this yet.
This game is horrible to sort. I think there's probably one scum in pint/urap2 but haven't got around to completely parsing it yet. I don't feel confident on Michael/Vars town but I do feel slightly more confident on Alch town. AC/PF wouldn't surprise me if they flipped scum I just think its marginally less likely than those below.
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A couple of things.In post 548, Michael Scott wrote:
C'mon, if you're aware of said towntells, it's clearly in your capability to make them as scum, too. More WIFOM.In post 544, Shoshin the worst wrote:We've definitely towntold a few times in our iso. You've found nothing AT ALL which you think is towny and you're 80% sure we're scum who's just decided to put our pants on our head after rolling SCM1 and play like messy newbscum?
Firstly have you ever posted something then just gone "oh fuck that was towny where did that come from"? That's like, the only time I towntell holistically. Sometimes when I have a thought then explain it ITT it evolves into something I didn't expect it to before I started typing. I think this is something probably f>t type people probably do instinctively I guess but it's not something I'm all thwt capable of doing as scum. (I can real-time as scum just fine but I'm a lot less interesting)
Secondly, I'm not making the point that we should be obvious town at all. In fact paranoia following scm1 is pretty healthy for most slots here (there are some I'm expecting to see a difference right away - Nancy is a classic example). But Varsoon could be PBPAing our entire iso and just saying "wolfy" next to every post. It's reaching the point where his lack of reconsideration and 3 dimensional thinking is making me regret townreading him originally.
Again, this is not WIFOM. Cut the buzzword spam and talk me through what you think is scum indicative. Buzzwords are GREAT for catching 10 year olds out on lying but their scope when you use them as "this sentence is _____" without elaboration is incredibly limited.-
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Actually our hydra dynamic applies strongly to this. It's something we discussed for a while yesterday and concluded with "Varsoon looks like town but he looks like he wants to be townread. Not really sure where to go with this."In post 552, u r a person 2 wrote:
could you sign this particular post, please?In post 544, Shoshin the worst wrote:Vars I'm finding it really worrying that you have never stopped to reconsider this read and mystically see no town motivation whatsoever in out iso. This is the kind of read day one which I identify as absolutely fake, I'm just not sure which alignment it comes from with you.
We've definitely towntold a few times in our iso. You've found nothing AT ALL which you think is towny and you're 80% sure we're scum who's just decided to put our pants on our head after rolling SCM1 and play like messy newbscum?
I think you're ignoring the differences in our play and possibly overcompensating for how badly SCM1 went when you disappeared.
because if it is real and you are town, I don't want to be hanged on the last read of Shoshin alone