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[zakk]

That is literally just semantics. It makes zero sense

[zakk]

Or should I say it makes zero difference.

The only upside to hunting group scum is that we have associative tells.

But I highly believe there is an SK.

And the whole point is, scum hunting is not mutually exclusive to faction. You can hunt for both at the same time, which is odd because you're making it sound like hunting for a serial killer is scummy, when it's really not.

[zakk]

like there's a HUGE advantage to hunting the last team scum but Zakk wants to ignore that? WTF?

What advantage, pray tell?
Either kill would remove scum and eliminate a nightkill.

Is it proven there's an SK?

It's extrapolatable currently imo and will be obvious after tonight I think. Unless there's shenanigans

[zakk]

Not thinking zakk is scum at all.

Vote: Creature

Cool re:me, but why vote Creature? I have him as town (or at least, non-groupscum) due to ircher interactions. That'd be extremely weird between scumbuddies.

Also there's this:

Why I shouldn't be lynched:

I'm the only with a faction serum left that could contribute for the PoE.

If nothing else, we could make a deal with Creature to block whoever we say to block (for that is Abnegation's power, I know because was in there before N1), and count the kills.
Sure, scum could no-kill to try to frame someone, but that's good because a) Creature uses the block on who we say to use it on, and b) it could stop a scum kill from going through, either by them being blocked, or by a no-kill action to try to frame someone.

So, it's a net town positive to leave Creature alive, at the very least, for today. And that has nothing to do with my not-groupscum read of him, which you may or may not share.

[zakk]

Can we all talk about how Shos either has a result on me or thinks that I'm not team scum and yet Luv thinks I should be lynched today? How is this not SK hunting?

Sure, let's talk about it.

[zakk]

IF

I out aside how stupid Luv is being rn (and Key) for the same reason)
Then there is a 33% chance that we lynch scum today by lynching in BT6, Creature and RB.

Where do you get this number?
And don't be like "it's 1/3" because I'm not a dumbass.

How do you figure that one of those three is scum?
And are you calculating SK into this, or just groupscum?
Why would you set aside people being stupid, ever?

None of this makes any logical sense.

[zakk]

***smoking gun***

Because you are the two least likely to be town.

He's SK hunting wich makes a ton of sense from group scum but your scum read on me makes little to no sense.

If you were town, an "I'm town" would be all that's necessary in your mind.

but as scum, you'd be like "your scum read on me makes little to no sense" which WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT EVEN MEAN first of all, and secondly, it betrays the fact that you are trying to make me doubt myself.

[zakk]

ThinkBig, Keyser or LUV it is then.

Why these?

What about Nero? what about PV? what about alban even? what about ME even?

momo, Wheme, Ramcius, and you, i will write off as not-groupscum enough not to lynch today, but how do you get from 7 down to those 3 specifically?

y'all are doing PoE wrong

[zakk]

Like if we go with Shos' claim/thoughts that teamscum are not, me, wheme and Zakk then that leaves a pool of

Keyser Söze
BTD6_maker/thinkbig
Creature

as the last team scum. That's a 33% to lynch scum.

but according to Zakk its better to SK hunt today wich makes the mislynch pool much much bigger.

Zakk is SK. Key is mafia I bet.

vote:Zakk

>says SK hunting is scummy

>lays out plan for PoEing groupscum

>accuses me of being SK (for wanting to not abandon SK hunting)

>>>>>>>>votes me (who he just said was an SK)

i am literally dying laughing right now.

this is SO scum.

[zakk]

and then he realizes how stupid he looks

and he votes the guy he says is groupscum

vote:Key

what a joke.

[zakk]

actually!! it's not even the guy he says is groupscum

IF

I out aside how stupid Luv is being rn (and Key) for the same reason) Then

there is a 33% chance that we lynch scum today by lynching in BT6, Creature and RB.

so he sets aside how stupid Luv is being
but he DOESN'T set aside how stupid key is being

and also, where did RB/PV go, from his PoE PoV? he should still suspect PV, right??

he's pulling this out of his ass right now.
literally dragging it out, kicking and screaming.

[zakk]

Just strong vibes and just from past scenarios, I feel pretty comfortable assuming Creature vs. LUV is scum vs town. Just who is scum.

To find out

VOTE: Creature

~~~~~~~spidey sense tingling~~~~~~~~

do not like

do not want

do not endorse

[zakk]

i'm quickly losing patience with this game

and why the hell is a dead player posting in the thread

can we just lynch nero already? read my posts

[zakk]

No, it makes perfect sense. You don't know the whole picture, and also, you're forgetting to factor in doublekills, protects, etc.

[zakk]

VOTE: Nero Cain

[zakk]

[post=Wheme]Wheme[/post]

Bloody spammer. 70+ posts. 3 pages out of 16 are yours. My priority is to hunt for spammers before hunting for scums.

VOTE: Wheme

Uh

[zakk]

VOTE: Nero Cain

manipulation

You're right it's a fallacy. It's an Appeal to Intelligence fallacy.

[zakk]

You've got to be joking

[zakk]

Have you not read the last 10-15 pages?

[zakk]

Sigh

[zakk]

Waaaake me up

When September eeeeends

[zakk]

You claimed a result on Keyser, right?

Speaking of this, if y'all don't mind, could somebody update me on all the claims and stuff? I'm not completely reading the entire thread, so I'm probably missing stuff and that would help a ton. tia

honestly you should really read up. you will miss a

lot

just by getting a list

short list, tho:
- we lynched scum 3 for 3 so far
- shos is mod confirmed town
- there are serums (and theories about serum use / knowledge thereof / culpability thereof)
- tons of other stuff (i.e. go read the thread, it's rich with info)

[zakk]

So I read the end of D1, D2, and D3. I skipped the beginning of Day 1 and haven't read Day 4 yet (I'll probably try to get to that tomorrow?)

It's late and I have to get up early, but here's a quick readslist based off of what I've read so far:

Aronis

alban

momo

Nero Cain

Ramcius

WhemeStar

shos

Keyser Söze

Lil Uzi Vert

PeregrineV
Creature

zakk

@Nero and whoever else cares: If you have any questions feel free to ask. I'll definitely look more in depth into my

zakk

scumread tomorrow and then provide some of the reasons I feel like he's scum. I may not be around much until tomorrow night though, so it may take a while. And if I get the chance I may try to sum up my day 1 notes and give reasons for the townreads, depends on how much time I have, but so if there's a specific read you're interested in let me know and I'll prioritize that.

oh i didn't see this when i posted 2929

hit me back after you read up

i'm specifically interested in your townreads on:
- nero
- keyser
- LUV

[zakk]

You claimed a result on Keyser, right?

Speaking of this, if y'all don't mind, could somebody update me on all the claims and stuff? I'm not completely reading the entire thread, so I'm probably missing stuff and that would help a ton. tia

I agree with this

you've been here the entire time. what are you not caught up on?

[zakk]

So I read the end of D1, D2, and D3. I skipped the beginning of Day 1 and haven't read Day 4 yet (I'll probably try to get to that tomorrow?)

It's late and I have to get up early, but here's a quick readslist based off of what I've read so far:

Aronis

alban

momo

Nero Cain

Ramcius

WhemeStar

shos

Keyser Söze

Lil Uzi Vert

PeregrineV
Creature

zakk

@Nero and whoever else cares: If you have any questions feel free to ask. I'll definitely look more in depth into my

zakk

scumread tomorrow and then provide some of the reasons I feel like he's scum. I may not be around much until tomorrow night though, so it may take a while. And if I get the chance I may try to sum up my day 1 notes and give reasons for the townreads, depends on how much time I have, but so if there's a specific read you're interested in let me know and I'll prioritize that.

I want to hear it, because based on today he is very actively scumhunting and gamesolving.

Yes shos this doesn't look like a scum post to me

It could obviously be the ol' "make a good first impression after replacing into a lurkerscum spot" ploy

But at the very least, I'm not interested in lynching him today. There are much better prospects

[zakk]

just to piggyback, 2/3 flipped scum didn't move factions. Also, Elana was a vig shot/SK pretending to be a vig.

What game are you reading?

[zakk]

5 days left to deadline guys...

Today needs to end sooner rather than later

I'm bored af and losing interest in this game

How can I help you realize why Nero needs death?

[zakk]

Yes, I would describe Nero's SK-hunting vote on you as contradictory.

I was under the impression that Shos had a not team scum result on Zakk. Zakk's 2739 didn't seem town motivated to me. It felt more like coming to the defense of and thus buddying LUV then "I think you are scum." Seeing him as the SK was the only thing that made sense to me with what I thought was a not team scum result on him.

So in the case that shos didn't have a not team scum result on me, you're saying you'd think I was team scum?

[zakk]

I'm curious who you'll fake push on tomorrow.

See comments like this are just meant to make me look bad, and not for any reason in particular, just trying to drag my name through the mud.

This is another reason I think you're scum.

[zakk]

Dauntless what is your power because I'm considering switching to you from abnegation

What made you not join this faction?

I was considering joining Dauntless because I like that faction the best.

I changed to Candor to try to join Radiant Moonlight and you. You both moved though.

[zakk]

yes.

to wich, you'll respond "you aren't voting me".

and wich I will say "I think you are scummy but I'm still sorting."

Why didn't you give a full reads list earlier? Why did you stop scum reading Alban?

My read on alban was bad because he was only posting in the main thread and not in the Candor PT.

He started posting in the Candor PT and my read changed. I think the story is the same with shos.

Lil Uzi Vert in particular has been trying to bait out information on whether alban claimed something.

As far as I am concerned LUV and you can both die.

[zakk]

Zakk is my top tr

Why was it wrong that Trans had a town read on you?

Nobody has a town read that early in the game for no reason.

He was on my 'to be sorted later' list until he pushed a scum lynch.

[zakk]

Why do you think I'd night kill both Trans and NM? also @ momo and LUV.

I have no idea. And why do you think I would?

[zakk]

can I have more LUV votes

If I can't get Nero Cain, then LUV is my second choice.

[zakk]

I'm gonna do a vote count thingie with colors. hold on

[zakk]

"Becoming fearless isn't the point. That's impossible. It's learning how to control your fear, and how to be free from it."

VOTE COUNT

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Ircher

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Not_Mafia

, WhemeStar,

Radiant Moonlight

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, momo,

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Mewtaph

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: Aronis,

[1]

Transcend

: Lil Uzi Vert,

[1]

Mewtaph

: Creature,

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shos

, Keyser Söze,

Screenplay

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VOTE COUNT 1.19

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VOTE COUNT 1.22

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VOTE COUNT 1.23

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zakk

2023-01-29 01:14:38 -4.00

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VOTE COUNT 1.24

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2023-01-28 01:14:38 -4.00

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VOTE COUNT 1.25

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VOTE COUNT 1.26

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VOTE COUNT 1.27

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VOTE COUNT 1.28

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VOTE COUNT 1.29

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VOTE COUNT 2.04

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VOTE COUNT 4.01

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[zakk]

alban

Whoever is desperate to know who I am could simply switch to Candor tonight.

Not sure it works that way boss

[zakk]

Pv I don't want to Lynch creature

[zakk]

I'll be on VLA this weekend

I may still be able to post but I may not so we'll see

[zakk]

Funny I'm the top poster besides Nero Cain yet it feels like I haven't done much.

That's funny we were just saying the same thing in our private topic.

[zakk]

Funny I'm the top poster besides Nero Cain yet it feels like I haven't done much.

Zakk is my top tr

Why was it wrong that Trans had a town read on you?

Nobody has a town read that early in the game for no reason.

He was on my 'to be sorted later' list until he pushed a scum lynch.

that's a little ambiguous don't you think? If you had felt he was slightly scummy for this why was he on your list to sort LATER?

Because gut reads are a thing.

And yes I agree that it's ambiguous as hell.
But next time you get a comment like that and drop everything to address something that's arguably still in RVS, as if it's LyLo, you let me know

[zakk]

Why do you think I'd night kill both Trans and NM? also @ momo and LUV.

I have no idea. And why do you think I would?

I am very curious why you think that scum me would kill everyone that was town reading/ not scum reading me while leaving alive ppl that had been calling me scummy and trying to lynch me like you and Shos. I have a hard time believing that you believe that's what I'd do as scum.

Hashtag WIFOM idk

Are you town? Prove it to me. What's one pro town thing you've done? I am willing to be persuaded.

[zakk]

Why do you think I'd night kill both Trans and NM? also @ momo and LUV.

I have no idea. And why do you think I would?

I am very curious why you think that scum me would kill everyone that was town reading/ not scum reading me while leaving alive ppl that had been calling me scummy and trying to lynch me like you and Shos. I have a hard time believing that you believe that's what I'd do as scum.

Mod

Can a single mafia member kill and use their night action?

consiidering the fact that the mod answered YES to this quesiton, why would scum ask that the mod publicly in order to let town know information that is useful to them?

We're not lynching creature today.

Not that I think creature is scum necessary (I don't) but

This is flawed logic because dauntless saw Screenplay perform 2 actions right? So this was publicly known anyway, as soon as they shared it

[zakk]

Mod

Can a single mafia member kill and use their night action?

consiidering the fact that the mod answered YES to this quesiton, why would scum ask that the mod publicly in order to let town know information that is useful to them?

We're not lynching creature today.

Dumb tells are things.

Also this. But again. Creature is probtown due to scum interactions

[zakk]

[quote="In post 3025, Lil

so fmpov this is just Zakk shade throwing. Like he can't go "oh there's scum in dauntless but let's just lynch outside dauntless" Zakk, as the last scum, needs as many mislynches as possible. Sitting there and mislynching me and then going "oh silly me, I didn't even go with my own theory and it 'caused a mislynch, NOW let me go after my theory"

Oh I am DEFINITELY throwing shade. DEFINITELY

[zakk]

Why are you so calm about Zakk throwing shade on your hood but when I pointed out your misrep of wheme you got your panties in a bunch?

I feel like I shouldn't have to point out what is wrong with this post.

But I also feel like I do need to point it out.

*frustrated pointing* "Why can he get away with something I can't??" *throws himself a pity party*

Look like I said, if you're torn. I have yet to see the signs. And I am damnnn good at seeing the signs.

[zakk]

Why are you so calm about Zakk throwing shade on your hood but when I pointed out your misrep of wheme you got your panties in a bunch?

I'm calm because the push is nonsensical and is not something I see scum who just lost 3 of their teammates consecutively pushing. I also don't mind being lynched since I only subbed into this game as a favor for Key.

I'm really not sure how to take this post

It feels like it's buddying me but it also feels town.


Hypothetical question:
If LUV and Nero Cain are BOTH town, who is scum? I'll be thinking about that

First knee jerk is Keyser
But my heart tells me it's PV or Aronis

And my deepest paranoia tells me it's momo or Wheme and I just gave them a pass too easy



I'm going to sleep

[zakk]

Pv I don't want to Lynch creature

Why not?

I have posted about it at least twice or three times

[zakk]

Pv I don't want to Lynch creature

Why not?

No, zakk is probably town who was being eaten alive by paranoia there.

Where would paranoia come from? The lynch record is perfect at this point, so this is probably the only time you could actually NOT be paranoid.

Yeah I'm not paranoid

And I don't know why LUV is trying to make excuses for me

[zakk]

Zakk:

I think the last scum is in dauntless

Nero votes Luv. It was totally consistent with his theory. It doesn't matter if I was voting you for "sk hunting". It was still

consistent

with his theory

Zakk:

Why the fuck would you be voting LUV?!?

He's talking out of both sides of his mouth and trying to increase the amount of mislynch targets. He's the scum we want.

Now you're trying to make me look bad again

Keep doing it, I think it's working

[zakk]

I'm not going out of my way though. I'm scumhunting. If I happened to get mislynched today players will know that I'm coming from a town motivation and maybe, just maybe they'll lok at the guy with a huge hole in his "logic",

What is the hole in my logic? That I want to lynch you instead of somebody in dauntless?

If that's it, then answer me this:
Do you disagree with LUVs repeated rebuttals of my dauntless theory?

If so, then why aren't you trying harder to lynch him or Keyser?

For what it's worth he actually made me doubt my theory enough to stop pursuing it for one day phase. Once we get more information based on nightkills, matters will become much clearer.

[zakk]

Not lynching in Dauntless (today).

What do you think of Zakk believing that the last scum is in Dauntless but now wants to vote outside Dauntless?

Do you think the last scum's in Dauntless or don't you?

Do you think that there is a serial killer or don't you?

[zakk]

Here's the thing:

Based on my knowledge of the set up, and my general knowledge of game balance, I think we are up against either a five person scum team, or four groupscum and a serial killer, given the flips we have seen.

In both of those cases, it makes sense to not lynch inside of Dauntless, if I have a shadow of doubt regarding my theory, which I do. But you seem to be willfully ignoring that.

So I'm asking you, what have you done that can be seen as town motivation? And don't say "scumhunting"

[zakk]

Nero why Keyser so much higher than lil Uzi ?

[zakk]

I think 5 factions + 5 scum makes flavor + balance sense. I have definitely said this before. Also I have no delusions that we are going to lynch 4/4 scum in 4 days That's just crazy talk. On the best of days.

And btw there's been 2 kills for each of at least 2 nights, and knowing what I know there IS DEFINITELY 100% GUARANTEED to be a serial killer unless someone is lying, and that gets resolved tomorrow because there's one real quick way to prove whether there is one or not but it takes one more phase, end it depends on things that I have discovered that only I and a few others can know or figure out, based on evidence either in their own role, or their own factional topic, and which I'm not going to be sharing to the public, for obvious reasons. There's a good reason that basically nobody of any skill or knowledge is pushing for my lynch today... it's because I'm almost guaranteed town. You should know this, knowing what you know, but you apparently don't, meaning you're either playing dumb or you really are dumb. In both cases I'm OK with a lynch on you.

And since I 99% believe there is an SK, and since it would be stupid to have a 20p game with only a 3-man groupscum team, it's not a stretch at all to make a safe lynch on the most survivalistic player in the game (you) and hope for an SK kill... Because that's how you've been playing all game. Like a serial killer. And getting rid of that kill is worth it, no matter how you want to slice it. And you should really, really, really know that I'm town right now (hint hint hint) but you apparently don't.

[zakk]

Nero why Keyser so much higher than lil Uzi ?

I think Key is much scummier than Luv. I don't think it's impossible that Ari sees his buddy PP get wagoned and then joins but it gives me some pause. It

IS

a little concerning that he's all like "oh Zakk throwing shade on my hood is not something the last scum would do." It's

EXACTLY

what the last scum would do. "But Nero pointing out my misrep (he claims it was a misunderstanding and I should have realized this)

IS

something the last scum would do. Given that I know I'm town and thus that he's wrong I don't see how this makes sense. From an outsiders perspective, I still don't see how this makes sense.

You keep saying you know you're town. I don't think you actually believe that. I think you're trying to create an echo chamber where *other* people will believe that.

[zakk]

basically zakk is spewing my ideas from Candor, lol, perhaps with additions of his own

NC definitely fits to be an SK, and there definitely is an SK in high likelihood(sp?) and nero is probably not groupscum anyway.

1 kill from N2 isn't enough to prove sk existence

Explain the other kill.

Then, when you can't, think about what I could possibly know that you don't.

Then, when your head is finally out of your ass, vote Nero.

[zakk]

Also I have no delusions that we are going to lynch 4/4 scum in 4 days That's just crazy talk. On the best of days.

also this pings me really hard, why lynch someone, if you don't think they flip scum?

Lmao... Okay

1. How many time you seen it done?
2. Does it look like I'm trying to lynch somebody I think it's town?
3. Again, pull your head out of your ass.

We are saying the same things (i.e. I'm not gonna lynch LUV without more info) but you're buying into NC's bullshit for some reason

[zakk]

basically zakk is spewing my ideas from Candor, lol, perhaps with additions of his own

NC definitely fits to be an SK, and there definitely is an SK in high likelihood(sp?) and nero is probably not groupscum anyway.

1 kill from N2 isn't enough to prove sk existence

Explain the other kill.

Then, when you can't, think about what I could possibly know that you don't.

Then, when your head is finally out of your ass, vote Nero.

as it was mentioned already plenty of times - rb inclined Mewtaph was Erudite faction kill, have any other info? Cause no one from Erudite confirm/deny despite me bringing it up and asking them

basically zakk is spewing my ideas from Candor, lol, perhaps with additions of his own

NC definitely fits to be an SK, and there definitely is an SK in high likelihood(sp?) and nero is probably not groupscum anyway.

1 kill from N2 isn't enough to prove sk existence

got any better explanations?

yes, i wouldn't be surprised, if vig got rid of RM

Let's just say you're wrong and I know it

Also let's just say you will be eating your words very quickly after Nero's flip AND I'll probably be a prime kill target tonight now.

So if you're scum, which I am actually beginning to suspect, you're gonna look hella bad tomorrow

[zakk]

Also I have no delusions that we are going to lynch 4/4 scum in 4 days That's just crazy talk. On the best of days.

also this pings me really hard, why lynch someone, if you don't think they flip scum?

Lmao... Okay

1. How many time you seen it done?
2. Does it look like I'm trying to lynch somebody I think it's town?
3. Again, pull your head out of your ass.

We are saying the same things (i.e. I'm not gonna lynch LUV without more info) but you're buying into NC's bullshit for some reason

if i deathtunnel someone, i don't say it's very unlikely them to flip town. When i'm not sure with my reads, like it is now, i don't deathtunnel people

Who are you death tunneling? Me? Lol uhhhh

You basically just farted around all day and let me and Nero argue and scum hunt (whether real or fake is immaterial) and then at the end you spoke up.

That's not a death tunnel, that's trying to stay under the radar.

[zakk]

Also I have no delusions that we are going to lynch 4/4 scum in 4 days That's just crazy talk. On the best of days.

also this pings me really hard, why lynch someone, if you don't think they flip scum?

Lmao... Okay

1. How many time you seen it done?
2. Does it look like I'm trying to lynch somebody I think it's town?
3. Again, pull your head out of your ass.

We are saying the same things (i.e. I'm not gonna lynch LUV without more info) but you're buying into NC's bullshit for some reason

if i deathtunnel someone, i don't say it's very unlikely them to flip town. When i'm not sure with my reads, like it is now, i don't deathtunnel people

Is it really deathtunneling when we're this close to the deadline?

it started long before deadline, so yes, it's deathtunnel



i could lynch NC, but if he flip town, we lynch zakk tomorrow, deal?

Bullshit. It didn't start long before the deadline.

And you lining up lynches now is scummy as fuck as well

It's almost like you know Nero is going to flip town
Which gives me the heebie jeebies

[zakk]

Nero, if you're town, tell me what you think of Ramcius. Keyser too.

I already know what shos and hikari think, and what alban thought.

I would hate a wagon swing this close to deadline, but at the same time, if you're town, you NEED to talk to me

[zakk]

Actually ... LUV too. Thoughts on Ramcius please.

[zakk]

UNVOTE: Nero Cain

Yea yea yea I know. Weird right? I want more time to think on this. I really would love a perfect win.

Nero's posts in the last couple pages plus Ramcius being like "first Nero then zakk" is really making me think.

Please don't lynch anyone until at least tomorrow so I can read more. G2g right now (still vla but I've been trying to be here) but will be off tomorrow

[zakk]

I don't even know why the people voting me are voting me, for the most part

Wheme - lack of experience, failure to understand what I'm actually suggesting?
Nero - OMGUS + survivalism (this ones pretty clear)
Ramcius - looks increasingly like he's scum trying to line up me/Nero in whatever order possible, for whatever reasoning possible
Aronis - ??? - "die scum die"?

Please succinctly clarify your reasoning so I can attempt to reason with you

Why? Because I know I'm the wrong lynch, BUT, I also think Nero might be the wrong lynch too.

And I would like to explore other options, instead of just pushing through a Nero lynch (which, I could, but it has been feeling wrong)

And I want to gauge how reasonable people on my wagon can be.

Please respond quickly, we only have 21 hrs left

[zakk]

But now I'm concerned that he just wants the wagon on him to die so that he can run out the clock. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until tonight

no matter how you want to slice it this is still effectively lynch Key or get lynched. Like even if I switched to Key there's not enough to support his wagon. It feels very dammed if I do dammed if I don't.

Dude I'm not scum.

I wanted to join the topic with you and RM for a reason.

If you're not scum either, let's look elsewhere and see who has been benefiting from our grudge match and just floating by without being a force for change in the game.

Because if 3 of my scum buddies got lynched:

I would NOT be looking to make waves.

And if I were an SK (assuming again that there is one, but even if you don't believe it, w/e, because I do):

I would DEFINITELY not be looking to make waves.


For this reason, and this reason alone, I'm willing to not lynch you (I already took my vote off a few posts ago) and I want to look elsewhere.

I hope you will do the same.

I am suspicious of you, yes, but I'm looking for other options.
I've been tunneling and it's embarrassing now that I look back at my posts from this game day.

But I'm town. And I think you might be too so.
Let's work together. Or at least try.

Are you online?

[zakk]

Zakk, who is the last team scum?

idk. that's what i'm gonna be scouring the thread for. join me

[zakk]

But now I'm concerned that he just wants the wagon on him to die so that he can run out the clock. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until tonight

no matter how you want to slice it this is still effectively lynch Key or get lynched. Like even if I switched to Key there's not enough to support his wagon. It feels very dammed if I do dammed if I don't.

Then pick someone else. And you keep acting like we're the only ones here. We're not. Let's all work together. You, zakk, shos, and make four votes. We could either join a current wagon or start a new one. Somebody would probably join it.

:goodposting:

[zakk]

I don't even know what you are suggesting. If you think I'm the wrong lynch why are you only trying to get ppl off your wagon? Who do you want to be lynched if not you and not me?

*I* took MY vote off your wagon.

And I'm looking for another lynch as we speak.

[zakk]

Aronis, Key, PV or LUV then.

I believe you're correct.

I just got done with a triple-ISO of scum, and momo looks pretty un-scummy as a result.

Doing Whemestar next.

[zakk]

Momo's appearances in scum ISOs

(Sorry, woulda spoilered this, but there are spoilers in it, and the code breaks)

Hello WhemeStar. Did you think momo's vote was serious? Moreover, why do you think he picked you?

I'm can hear Bernard speaking as I read your post.

Momo on the otherhand reads as inexpeienced.

Momo on the otherhand reads as inexpeienced.

Why would you read Momo this way but not wheme?

Apologizing in advanced for misgenders and this list includes the people who have stuck out to me.

Spoiler: Reads

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
Ircher  (100%) - Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
Not_Mafia (0%) - It's hard to get a read here when he's always goofing off. Even when he does say something relevant, it tends to be an absolute, and he generally refuses to elaborate further.

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)
Momo (+40%) - There have been questionable things tha this slot has said, sure, but it reads as genuine thoughts versus scum trying to manipulate the town. Aka, Momo, for lack of a better description, reads sorta like lynchbait at the moment.
Wheme (-55%) - For me, his attack on me at the beginning was bad, and while forgivable, his unwillingness to provide information and evasion of my question reads as suspicious at a bare minimum.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)

I thought it was weird that their readslist described Momo how I would describe someone that I am townreading them but put them in a non-towny category.

Momo is classified as town. You have to pay attention to the sign in parenthesis for neutral and null. (+ = Townlean, - = Scumlean)

Momo on the otherhand reads as inexpeienced.

Why would you read Momo this way but not wheme?

Possibly confirmation bias. Wheme's posts don't have quite the same atmosphere though.

VOTE: Whemestar

For not voting

Does it matter?

What does this mean??

Everything matters.

If you are not able to share reasoning, it means that either the reasoning I scummy or you have no reason but mislynch.

Wow momo that post is bad

No it is not.

BTW, I started the wagon on Wheme as an rvs push. Why did people commit to it so hard??? I will be trying to find scum on that wagon??

Also, Not seems very flip floppy, trying to please everyone. First he followed me on wheme and the followed wheme on me. Looks like he wants to please everyone so that he is not lynched.

VOTE: NotMafia

Sorry, I meant can someone who is not scum (wheme/not) give me their thoughts........

Guys unlike some of you people I am actively trying to solve the game. Not and Nero pushing the Wheme wagon that I meant as rvs strikes me as scummy. Thoughts on this????

You vote whemestar
You question him and his actions
You call it an RVS and people voting it are scumy
Then you call wheme and NotMafia scumy
Then you call it RVS again

That's my problem with it.
VOTE: Momo

Why are not-momo votes a thing?

Because I've never not scumread him, which gives me pause when a wagon on him grown like this!

F U guys.

It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait. So be smart and see past it...

being lynchbait doesn't gives lynch immunity, and if you going bring this argument up, i will be more than happy prove you wrong

VOTE: Not Mafia

you wrong, i'm not scum, so you have to go

True, but don't discount it completely either.

Momo still hasn't gave me a reason to town read him. Calling him lynchbait loses its credibility when he is self aware of it and states it himself D1.

The Momo wagon is bad and you guys and gals know it.

@keyser
I have just played with Momo town and scum.

As town he was in 1v1. Ended up giving up and basically conceding. Lynched.

As scum he was mentioned as scum and then said " so vote yume?" Yume was the popular mislynch wagon.

So as town, concedes.
As scum throws attention somewhere else.

I haven't seen scum!momo get this frustated either.

I don't see it as genuine frustration.
His self meta as lynchbait comes across as an excuse.

You vote whemestar
You question him and his actions
You call it an RVS and people voting it are scumy
Then you call wheme and NotMafia scumy
Then you call it RVS again

The wagon STARTED with an rvs vote. 2nd post of p.2 I think.

Anyway, Wheme started reacting a bit scummy so I questioned him.

Then it suddenly became a huge deal and it looked like an early lynch was a possibility.

I stopped then because short D1 mislynch is never good for town.

Better safe than sorry.

Nero and Not seemed TOO eager.

Happy??????

Ok, here we go.... (Sorry if I'm very incoherent...)

Spoiler: Momo ISO - Day 1

1. 111 --> Confronts Wheme on his "Does it matter?" post -->

I feel like the majority of us would agree that this is a decent if not good post from Momo. Wheme's post definitely causes people to question his motives, and Momo's post highlights that suspicion. --> Townish (+1)

2. 128 - Responds to Wheme's 113, talks about the buildup of the Wheme wagon, and then switches topics and votes Not_Mafia for wagon-hopping -->

The response to Wheme's post was acceptable -- Wheme's post was kinda bad (though not scummy) imo. The rest of the post is.... not so great. You may have started the Wheme wagon, but you didn't propel it forward. What propelled it was Wheme and Not_Mafia asking people to vote Wheme. Your concern for its buildup seems exaggerated. The argument you used to attack Not_Mafia is a very questionable argument, and yet, I feel it's an argument that comes from inexperience.

TL;DR :

Weak post w/ exaggerated concern about Wheme wagon and a questionable attack on Not_Mafia --> Suspicious (-1)

3. 208 --> Trying to solve game, etc. -->

I disagree with your assertion that you are trying to solve the game. You are somewhat trying, but you are also ignoring everythng else that happens -- in other words, you have confimation bias. Tunneling, while not necessarily a bad thing, allows you to forget the big picture. It comes more often from town, but the way you are pursuing it is making me have my doubts. Really hard to explain -- gut says there's something off about this tunnel you are pursuing. --> Suspicious (-1)

While there could be more to say about individual posts, its kinda hard to, so I think I'm gonna wrap this up with overall things I'm noticing:

1. Lots of confirmation bias
2. Very little and usually weak explanations for reads
3. Though never a reliable tell, it feels "Too scummy to be scum".

VOTE: Momo

Why do you vote Momo now?

Momo, Wheme, and Nero are who you should pay attention to.

Is 'alban' the 'Yume' in this scenario?

There were 2 votes on alban... momo added the third (Wheme and Ircher have since unvoted alban).

No. I thought it was NotMafia. He threw attention there. Granted he gave a reason to it seemed like deflection to me.

Nothing at all. I just thought, and maybe I misinterpreted something, that is was going too far.

I genuinely thought you guys wanted a lynch instead of pressure.

What do you think of Nero's push on Keyser Not??

Can you show posts where you think it was going to far and they where just trying to lynch?
Show me what it is you seen.

There is no WIFOM, I'm scum

Come on guys. He is doing this on purpose. How do you not see this?????

VOTE: Not_Mafia

We obviously see it.

Wine In Front Of Me is WIFOM!!!!

Momo still hasn't answered questions

Shit man, at page 15 of 25. I'll see if I can bang this out tn, but you're more likely to get something frome tomorrow!

tl;dr, momo is scum

Well that was easy then! XD
Anyone else it just Momo?
And was it a slip or a Gameplay read?

You also counted momo's votes wrong, he has 11 votes

Hello, Aristophanes.

Your vote is still in RVS

. Are you trying to sort players in your faction PT?


You have offered two (town?) reads so far (two defences).

On momo:

Because I've never not scumread him, which gives me pause when a wagon on him grown like this!

And WhemeStar:

This whemestar fellow is clearly town tho. Why is this a wagon?

What are your actual thoughts on the arguments used against them? (Your thoughts on them concern only the speed/size of the wagon on them).

Hey Keyser! It's been a while!

Momo is a tough read and I legit always scumread them. Momo was more a moment of pause, but the more i read the morning ei think they may be scum.

Where is still likely to be town, and I've liked what they have posted thus far. Of course, a further analysis of both slots is required, but this is what I have atm.

Spoiler: Longass Keyser Post

Investigation file: momo

BTW, I started the wagon on Wheme as an rvs push. Why did people commit to it so hard??? I will be trying to find scum on that wagon??

My gut-read of this is still negative. The tone feels off. [Something petty: I didn't like his continuous use of multiple/excessive question marks ("??"), but he used them as town in our last game together, so less annoyed with them now]

Also, Not seems very flip floppy, trying to please everyone. First he followed me on wheme and the followed wheme on me. Looks like he wants to please everyone so that he is not lynched.

I personally don't read flip-flopping behaviour as scum indicative during early/RVS D1 play. But ok, I can see why someone would scum-read that behaviour in isolation.

Okay momo is scum we can speed lynch this

Even more proof for my case....

Ok, potentially OMGUS-fueled reaction to Not_Mafia's wagon-pushing.

Can somebody please tell me their thoughts on the case on Not??

It seems more solid than the nero one to me....

momo is confident on his Not_Mafia scum-case ranking it more solid than the scum-case on Nero Cain! Is this town-momo taking pride in his own scum-case on a player?

Where is the town???????

Guys unlike some of you people I am actively trying to solve the game. Not and Nero pushing the Wheme wagon that I meant as rvs strikes me as scummy. Thoughts on this????

Real or false frustration?

At the time of reading I thought all of this was scum-theatre (scum-distancing gone wrong).

I would tell you to play to you wincon but your acting as if your wincon is mislynching townies.

Again, I don't believe the tone/sincerity of this post.

Happy??????

F U guys.

It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait. So be smart and see past it...

Ok, the

'frustrated' element of his play is now raging up to boiling point

.

VOTE: alban

alban just GAVE AN EXCUSE for mislynching townies

99% scum

"99% scum"? - I don't know about that. Alban did made a questionable decision to hunt for spammers rather then scum, but that is not a "99%" slam-dunk scum-catch.

What happened to your scum-feels on Not_Mafia, Nero Cain and Creature? (still strong?)



Thus, going back to Ircher's two statements:

"The Momo wagon is bad and you guys and gals know it" and "Because he has done nothing highly indicative of scum; he's lynchbait at worst"

...
True, I cannot find anything "highly indicative of scum". Most of my suspicion lies in the fact that I don't believe the tone of his posts as from a townie. momo has been pressuring/questioning players that I too do not town read (Not_Mafia, Nero Cain, Creature, alban), so perhaps my scum-theatre theory is making me blind to momo's actual reads (which are actually similar to mine, if not for the same reasons).

Re-reading his ISO, he doesn't look CAUGHT-SCUM anymore

. My remaining concern is:

is this 'frustrated townie' or 'fake-frustrated'?

QUESTIONS:

1) Has anyone seen TOWN-momo become this frustated before? (Even citing his own town-meta as a defence of being easy lynchbait).
2) Do you think momo taking pride in his Not_Mafia scum-case is alignment indicative? I.e is town-momo more likely to get disheartened if no-one is listening to him?

See what I mean, he's a hard read!
I have seen him get frustrated as town iirc. But momo doesn't get disheartened as town, he just makes more noise until people follow him or lynch him.

435 sucks ass, and makes it obvious Alban and Momo aren't scum together. Either could be though, and from what I have read of Alban, as much as they could be, I done think they are. Momo is far more likely to be scum.

Oh, I was hoping you'd do that for me :S
I can't say I'm totally caught up yet.

However, sure!

What are your thoughts on the Zakk and Momo wagons, and if you dislike them, who among the voters do you think are scum?
What are your thoughts on Creature's potential intent to shut down the wagons and start fresh ones?

Also, if this game stalls, I'll shut down both wagons and roll a dice to a new wagon.

Out of {shos, Penguin, BTD6}, who should we flashwagon?

momo

momo already has a wagon, has had one throughout the game, and wasn't a choice.

'Kay, w're flashwagoning Penguin then.
VOTE: Penguin

Oh, I was hoping you'd do that for me :S
I can't say I'm totally caught up yet.

However, sure!

What are your thoughts on the Zakk and Momo wagons, and if you dislike them, who among the voters do you think are scum?
What are your thoughts on Creature's potential intent to shut down the wagons and start fresh ones?

Also, if this game stalls, I'll shut down both wagons and roll a dice to a new wagon.

I think Zakk is town.

Momo is really hard to read. My gut is telling me he is scum, but I keep getting that feeling he could be town. Not against his lynch honestly. The earlier he is gone the better IMO.

So, hard town on Zakk, Momo is what, null? What makes you so willing to lynch him regardless of alignment?

@Mod -- Pretty sure Zakk is voting momo rn, not Creature.

Momo has dodge multiple questions.....

4+8 = 12

12+1 = 13

13th letter of the alphabet is M

13-12 = 1

1st letter of the alphabet is A

Half of 12 is 6

6th letter of the alphabet is F

Half of 6 is 3. 3+6 = 9

9th letter of the alphabet is I

8 question marks. 9-8 = 1

1st letter of the alphabet is A

~

momo is confirmed mafia

Best post of the game thus far! XD

And actually, I do care.

Everyone needs to get off the obv ML bait Momo.

Zakk is by far the superior lynch due to the fact that he's only here at the most convenient of times and is non*entity elsewise.

Radiant Moonlight gives very little for analysis. Overall they have three votes on Momo. The first was RVS, so I can ignore that. The next two still do not have reasoning attached. (You once claimed that Momo was Town). What is your reasoning for the Momo votes?

Transcend next. Transcend was merely sheeping. From what I can see, they were sheeping Radiant Moonlight, who gave very little in the way of reasoning. Transcend, why did you do this, and do you still agree with it?

PenguinPower gave virtually nothing.

Whemestar next. This is more interesting. It seems as though the main reason is meta. Exactly what is the main difference? I noticed that the Town Momo posted a huge wall very early on. Other than that, there was not much of a difference. If you noticed another difference, please explain it and then show that this is a pattern throughout Momo's games, not just in these two instances.

Why have you not moved your vote throughout the game?

Awww shit! Pagetop callout!

Momo, LUV, and Nero. However I still am so behind its not funny.

Okay
VOTE: Momo

Btw, did you make other contributions besides 1519?

Momo still hasn't answered questions

K, Momo Iso is actually scummy.

There is, I'm a mafia doctor

He claimed scum!!!

Okay here is the new and updated case.

Scum would normally not claim scum. Town would claim scum as joke maybe.

So Not is going to WIFOM us into thinking he is town.

But we can see past it. He is scum!!!!

There is no WIFOM, I'm scum

Come on guys. He is doing this on purpose. How do you not see this?????

VOTE: Not_Mafia

This is probably the most laughable case I've seen. Like, seriously, acknowledging Wine and then drinking more of it is ridiculous, and NM, though he would do this as either alignment, I doubt would follow up like he did.
Plus, this is supposedly a Slam Dunk, yet Momo stays with it for...3 posts?

He then switches to rb and abandoned NM because ???

Spoiler: rb iso

Ok so i kept going to 'view your posts' but failed to realise I never initially posted here and so it wasn't coming up and I forgot about the game

im not catxhing up either fuck that

Who is town, I'll believe and sheep first person who responds

I'm town, momo is scum

VOTE: momo

Even if I get lynched don't lynch creature

Ramcius is cool and town

i don't explain townreads

Ramcius is town stylin' on that other person rn

other person ur getting styled on

alban could be town, i wouldn't vote rn

i do like ramcius' style tho, but i think alban's not a good lynch compared to other slots in the game

i don't explain townreads

You might be town.

This is still annoying though and your vote sucks.

ur face sucks

i don't explain townreads

no use just use them to pocket people, right.

exactly

creature's probably town

i'm gonna call whemestar memestar

ur a meme

hard TR on memestar

im pocketing u

Because reading his iso he is active, but refuses to post content. Kind of like scum acting like town by staying active but refusing to help. On top of this, he shows disregard of people pushing him, deflecting attention on another wagon. For this reason, as I dislike the other two wagons, I propose a new wagon to which the wagonee might finally respond to:

VOTE: rb

I mean, I get the Iso gave him a scumread, but he stopped voting someone he thinks

Claimed a Scum Role

in order to vote here and never even mentions NM's supposed claim when doing so. How do you just forget you have "caught scum"!?

And even better is that this isn't his first time not following a Slam Dunk scumread.

VOTE: alban

alban just GAVE AN EXCUSE for mislynching townies

99% scum

Like, Momo has had a 99% scum read and a scumclaim that he actually believed, yet he's not voting either!? That is scummy! He's blowing things out of proportion then abandoning them when they don't catch without ever mentioning them again! Literally throwing stuff at the wall until it sticks!

And then there's the self meta shit, twice:

F U guys.

It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait. So be smart and see past it...

This is self meta but I have been mislynched so many times I just get frustrated by the possibility. Like I can't always be scum people

Like, once I get. It's a note about your self and is good for growing as a player.
Twice though?
That's scummy as its a form of Self Meta AtE! He's using it to manipulate votes off of him!

I'll likely end up voting here, but I want to look at everything else first.

VOTE: Ari

i always look susp to people, who have hard time reading few pages of tread a day (and this game was really slow on generating pages), his push on one of my strongest TRs alban for being not so active is weird in comparison to bunch of people doing much worse, his intent vote momo, but going alban instead so close to deadline is another red flag to me, i dunno if it's distancing or setting accusation for ML, if alban push not goes trough

Did I forget to change back? I got busy looking for a shiny Magikarp today...

Regardless,
VOTE: Momo

I can quote my case if you like.

I can quote my case if you like.

please do

K, Momo Iso is actually scummy.

There is, I'm a mafia doctor

He claimed scum!!!

Okay here is the new and updated case.

Scum would normally not claim scum. Town would claim scum as joke maybe.

So Not is going to WIFOM us into thinking he is town.

But we can see past it. He is scum!!!!

There is no WIFOM, I'm scum

Come on guys. He is doing this on purpose. How do you not see this?????

VOTE: Not_Mafia

This is probably the most laughable case I've seen. Like, seriously, acknowledging Wine and then drinking more of it is ridiculous, and NM, though he would do this as either alignment, I doubt would follow up like he did.
Plus, this is supposedly a Slam Dunk, yet Momo stays with it for...3 posts?

He then switches to rb and abandoned NM because ???

Spoiler: rb iso

Ok so i kept going to 'view your posts' but failed to realise I never initially posted here and so it wasn't coming up and I forgot about the game

im not catxhing up either fuck that

Who is town, I'll believe and sheep first person who responds

I'm town, momo is scum

VOTE: momo

Even if I get lynched don't lynch creature

Ramcius is cool and town

i don't explain townreads

Ramcius is town stylin' on that other person rn

other person ur getting styled on

alban could be town, i wouldn't vote rn

i do like ramcius' style tho, but i think alban's not a good lynch compared to other slots in the game

i don't explain townreads

You might be town.

This is still annoying though and your vote sucks.

ur face sucks

i don't explain townreads

no use just use them to pocket people, right.

exactly

creature's probably town

i'm gonna call whemestar memestar

ur a meme

hard TR on memestar

im pocketing u

Because reading his iso he is active, but refuses to post content. Kind of like scum acting like town by staying active but refusing to help. On top of this, he shows disregard of people pushing him, deflecting attention on another wagon. For this reason, as I dislike the other two wagons, I propose a new wagon to which the wagonee might finally respond to:

VOTE: rb

I mean, I get the Iso gave him a scumread, but he stopped voting someone he thinks

Claimed a Scum Role

in order to vote here and never even mentions NM's supposed claim when doing so. How do you just forget you have "caught scum"!?

And even better is that this isn't his first time not following a Slam Dunk scumread.

VOTE: alban

alban just GAVE AN EXCUSE for mislynching townies

99% scum

Like, Momo has had a 99% scum read and a scumclaim that he actually believed, yet he's not voting either!? That is scummy! He's blowing things out of proportion then abandoning them when they don't catch without ever mentioning them again! Literally throwing stuff at the wall until it sticks!

And then there's the self meta shit, twice:

F U guys.

It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait. So be smart and see past it...

This is self meta but I have been mislynched so many times I just get frustrated by the possibility. Like I can't always be scum people

Like, once I get. It's a note about your self and is good for growing as a player.
Twice though?
That's scummy as its a form of Self Meta AtE! He's using it to manipulate votes off of him!

I'll likely end up voting here, but I want to look at everything else first.

oh that. I just think he's a vi that says stupid things. Could he be scum hiding behind a too scummy to be scum playstyle? Eh, maybe.

I don't think this is VI Momo. He's a decent player and apparently cares a lot about the Large games he enters. So he should be putting thought and effort in, not just "saying stupid things"! I think his bringing up his playstyle twice shows he's using it to his advantage!

Now can we please focus on the real scum: Momo!

VOTE: Momo

Also, let's not waste our time on Radiant w/ their failed gambit.

I could honestly care less who is lynched rn unless it's me, but objectively, momo is, imo, the most likely to be scum out of everyone who has a viable chance of being lynched within the following 20 or so hours.

That's very weak momo.

Like, it's survivalistic in nature since ari's your counterwagon.

Town can White Knight just as scum can.

Why can't Mewtaph be town WKing town Ari?

Pedit: Don't ragequit. You have potential, but people have to understand your viewpoint.

@Momo
Please answer.

Ah, but you misunderstand @momo.

Objectively, you are the scummiest. That's pretty much fact. But scummy != scum; you can be scummy but still town.

I don't know?
I'm trying to ask how can that happen. What makes it possible.

how we should know, if you refuse claim role?

I'm a Neopolitan and checked wheme last night.

Bullshit.

WhemeStar was obvious town.

Like, really, really obvious town.

Wheme keeps saying Momo is town. Just because.

As Momo continues to avoid direct confrontation can someone explain a town read?
Wheme don't talk about who Town should vig, if scum has a doc or protective they can defend against it.
My solid town reads
Creature
Keyser
RM
Wheme

Scum
Momo
Zakk
Neo

hard scumread shos right now.

When screenplay flips scum, we lynch shos.

Any objections????

Yes.

lol @ momo xD

guys
this is bleeding obvious for me suddenly and I can't believe I didn't see it earlier.
The following faction had scum in it. Scum have a framer. they knew everything that was going on, and used it exactly as they should have. Since when can a person perform two actions on one night? both kill and investigate? (btw screenplay please say your result. trust me.)

also don't call me nuts, I can link you to a game in a second where I said OMG I bet *crazy shit* and the conftown is actually an SK and voila! SK endgamed me.

after screenplay posts his results I will continue with what I have. and probably out our own guilty.
Anyway. My cop result is 100% unmeddled with;

Who did you cop?

I claim compulsive bus driver.

I targeted RM and Srceen N1 and Creature and Momo N2.

Player #1: Alban

--> 32 posts

1. 13 --> "excited" -->

RVS --> Null (0) / Null (0)

2. 236 --> 10 pages, can only catch up in evenings -->

Too early o tell, but this post looks like just excuses --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

3. 275 --> Complains about spam; some other content as well -->

Kinda don't understand what you are saying about me (what reads as naive in my 160?), the rest seems okay, but I feel that the post doesn't cover enough. Honestly though, you read more as just lazy right now. --> Null (0) / Null (0)

4. 392 and 393 --> Vote Wheme for spamming -->

This was brought up before, but it's important to bring it up again in this ISO read as a player read is the sum of the reads I have on each post. Anyway, why are you prioritizing a lynch based on policy over looking for/lynching scum. It's not a huge alarm bell -- town do silly stuff all the time -- but it's an important to understand your perspective, and why you did things. --> Suspicious (-1) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

5. 483 --> Asks why Keyser presumes he hasn't presented his reads yet -->

Maybe because you haven't? I mean, 275 was a start, but you haven't really presented any substandial reads (other than perhaps your policy-based one.) I don't like the hint of an accusatory tone in the post but it's by no means a definitive tell. --> Null (0) / Null (0)

6. 494 --> Stuff concerning people voting him cuz his Wheme vote -->

Tell me this -- why shouldn't people want to policy lynch you for being useless if you want to policy lynch Wheme for spamming? I remember that I was one of the ones who voted you for your vote (which I admit was a bit foolish and policy based), but you have to admit that people are gonna policy vote the ones who play anti-town. The real question is -- why aren't you taking a more proactive stance in the game? You obviously seem to have reads -- why aren't you pursuing them or expounding upon them? Instead, you continue to pursue your Wheme PL to the exclusion of all else. --> Suspicious (-1) / Null (0)

7. 496 --> Admits to little content in his iso, but says it's better thasn the litle content in Wheme's cuz of a lower posting density -->

I would like to know how you can make an RVS vote 200 posts into the game. This post honestly feels like a back-pedal from his vote, but at the same time, it feels town; the entire post reads as transparent and honest. An unvote would be nice (or some reads), but the post does show imo a pro-town outlook, just a controversial one. --> Town (+2) / Null (0)

8. 760 --> Something about wagons stalling -->

Need context.

9. 765 --> Says he's "tempted to vote Momo" and will try to participate more -->

Earlier you said Momo was lynchbait. What caused your stance to change OR am I misreading, and you don't really support the Momo wagon? --> Suspicious (-1) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

10. 766 --> Finds Keyser suspicious ("hunch") -->

Just a hunch? Nothing more? Ah well, can't blame ya; I've kinda been like that all game. No substandial reads, just a few hunches and surface level reads. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

11. 783 --> Ramcius's vote looks like policy but wanna make sure -->

I like this post. Alban admits that the vote is fair if it's policy-based, and rather than OMGUS, he tries to establish a conversation between Ramcius and himself. The approach used here just reads as town. --> Town (+2) / Null (0)

12. 788 --> Refutes Ramcius's scumcase against him and votes Ramcius -->

I think this post takes a fair stance on the issue. It doesn't scream overtly town, but it does seem reasonable. --> Somewhat Town (+1) / Somewhat Content (+1)

13. 789 --> Laughs about Nero's post -->

Completely useless. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

14. 792 --> Says Ramcius is tunnelling -->

And back we are to no-content!you. Ugh. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

15. 794 --> Dares people to lynch him -->

Typical WIFOM and other shenanigans that both town and scum employ. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

16. 1047 --> "I am back" -->

100% fluff, 0 content --> Null (0) / Fluff (-2)

17. 1048 --> Townread creature for something in faction pt but don't wanna say cuz people might jump -->

Explain to me how this makes logical sense. How can you townread a post yet think others will jump (aka scumread) him based on that post? --> Suspicious (-1) / Null (0)

18. 1305 --> Asks why Creature wants to incriminate you -->

Another useless post. And not a single real scumread in this ISO yet. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

19. 1309 --> Asks if Rb finds him scummy -->

See above comments. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

20. 1376 --> "I am bored" -->

Says the one who has done absolutely nothing thi game. If you are bored, why don't you change that by providing some actual content? --> Null (0) / Fluff (-2)

21. 1377 --> Didn't mean to say that aloud -->

But you did. And you are still doin' nothin' 'bout it. --> Null (0) / Fluff (-2)

22. 1383 --> "You wanna start a new wagon?" -->

Tone is too ggressiv here for my likes given what Alban has done. That said, 1377 is by no means a slip. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

23. 1384 --> Can't remember why he voted Ramcius -->

Zero content. Pretty much active lurking at this point. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

24. 1385 --> "This was for rb" -->

Spamming a bit, don't you think? See above. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

25. 1436 --> Says he has nothing substandial to contribute at the moment among other things -->

I don't like this post. 50+ pages in and nothing to say throughout the game? No. --> Suspicious (-1) / Active Lurking (-3)

26. 1438 and 1462 --> Not relevant to this game.

27. 1473 --> Scumreads: Ari y someone else -->

Elaborate. --> Null (0) / Null (0)

28. 2011 y 2031 --> Stuff to the mod.

Alignment Score: 0
Activity Score: -29 over 28 items --> ~1.0357
Base Score: (0 - 1.0357)(1.0357) ~ -1.0727
Adjusted Score: -0.2145

Final Score: -34.52% --> Neutral Leaning Scum

Creature and Mewtaph are definitely town.
Wheme, momo, and Ramcius are probably town.
Keyser is lurking and more likely to be scum.
Zakk is town.
Alban is Neutral Scum.
Uzi is Neutral Scum.
Shos is possibly scum.
Rb is scum.

[zakk]

[3][L-4] Nero Cain: Lil Uzi Vert, momo, shos,

but they are still voting me. If you think I'm a wrong lynch why are you comfortable with them voting me? Shouldn't you be trying to get them off my wagon just as much as you are trying to get others off your wagon?

I have to go soon. I expect to see case on someone with detailed reasoning why they are scum by the time I get back.

I don't think your wagon is going to go through without my vote or my support. shos I think will follow my reasoning, and I think if momo sees a good alternative he will join too. He hasn't really done much of anything this game except whine about people on his wagon, and then make posts here and there... I was the main driving force behind your wagon; notice as soon as I unvoted, so did Hikari?

If we work together and find a better alternative than one of us two (i.e. Ramcius would be my choice... his posts to me, parroting things you said but in a totally scummy way, and voting me, but then lining up your and my lynches... just felt SLIMY AF and gave me huge scum pings... but I doubt we could swing a Ramcius wagon today, given he's in Dauntless and we probably wouldn't get support from Keyser/LUV... )

Speaking of Keyser/LUV... I don't know why we all considered them for scum at some point, but Ramcius has never really been on the table for discussion. Why is that?

Anyway hit me back when you get back. You'll see some cool shit by then I hope I'll be on and off myself.

[zakk]

So far, these are the people who express a potential willingness to move on Keyser:

Creature
shos
Nero Cain
Hikari Link
zakk

In addition, Peregrine says he's willing to look into Keyser. That's potentially 6 votes.

I would rather lynch Ramcius, Aronis, and LUV (and maybe even Wheme) than Keyser at this point.

[zakk]

I'll let you know about Wheme in a second

[zakk]

Whemestar's appearances in scum ISOs

(Sorry, woulda spoilered this, but there are spoilers in it, and the code breaks)

Why not.
VOTE: Whemestar

RadiantMoonlight had 3 before your vote. Including himself

I have 5.

Zakk, Radiant, Ramcias, and BTD6 make 4 before my vote.

Zakk is voting me.

I missed that he changed votes.

Anyways, Ircher's vote was lazy so he can have my vote for now.

How does lazy indicate scum?

VOTE: Wheme

Let me get this straight Wheme:

1. I make an RVS vote on Radiant w/ a comment about bandwagoning
2. You comment that the vote was bad simply because more people were voting you at the time.
3. We go back and forth a little on the issue.
4. You vote me way after you initially call me out on the issue with the comment that my vote was lazy.
5. When called out for your late vote, you if honestly mattered
6. When I asked you how being lazyng implies I'm scum, you evade the point by stting that lazy doesn't imply town.

Tell me how this doesn't read as suspicious on your side?

VOTE: Wheme

Lil late to be listening to my advice isn't it?

See above.

UNVOTE:
Wheme is not an alt. I would describe his play as "eh whatever" type of player. The games I have read he says and does stupid shit. I'm not lynching him for this.

Wheme is an alt and hasn't done anything stupid

Wrong

Wheme is an alt and hasn't done anything stupid

Wrong

I disagree

I'm giving you a fact, not an opinion

So 1-3 is not suspicious at all. Don't know why you included them but eh.
Do you not find lazy votes suspicious? If not, why not?
Its hard for me to explain why I read you as scum for being lazy, so I just won't explain it.

1-3 are for completeness.

Lazy votes

during RVS

are not suspicious at all because it is

RVS

.

Wheme is an alt and hasn't done anything stupid

Wrong

I disagree

I'm giving you a fact, not an opinion

You can't know he's not an alt and the stupid thing is entirely subjective. What has he done that's stupid?

He's my son. I talked him into playing.

viewtopic.php?t=70799&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go - Here's a scum game of Momo's. He replaced in @ page 72.

viewtopic.php?p=8926674#p8926674 - Here was a game where he replaced in as town. Page 61

You can notice the differences in his play just by opening posts.

Not really. Maybe a little bit less involved in the scum one.

Momo on the otherhand reads as inexpeienced.

Why would you read Momo this way but not wheme?

Momo on the otherhand reads as inexpeienced.

Why would you read Momo this way but not wheme?

Possibly confirmation bias. Wheme's posts don't have quite the same atmosphere though.

VOTE: Whemestar

For not voting

Does it matter?

What does this mean??

Everything matters.

If you are not able to share reasoning, it means that either the reasoning I scummy or you have no reason but mislynch.

Wow momo that post is bad

No it is not.

BTW, I started the wagon on Wheme as an rvs push. Why did people commit to it so hard??? I will be trying to find scum on that wagon??

Also, Not seems very flip floppy, trying to please everyone. First he followed me on wheme and the followed wheme on me. Looks like he wants to please everyone so that he is not lynched.

VOTE: NotMafia

Sorry, I meant can someone who is not scum (wheme/not) give me their thoughts........

Guys unlike some of you people I am actively trying to solve the game. Not and Nero pushing the Wheme wagon that I meant as rvs strikes me as scummy. Thoughts on this????

You vote whemestar
You question him and his actions
You call it an RVS and people voting it are scumy
Then you call wheme and NotMafia scumy
Then you call it RVS again

That's my problem with it.
VOTE: Momo

I wasn't following the reasoning for Neo but if his entire point is because of a delayed vote by wheme then I agree that's a stretch. It wasn't some random vote. It's something he used reasoning with. I think that should give him more town cred confronting and going head to head. If he would have voted someone else randomly, I could see that as suspicious but he didn't.

I was reading Wheme as scummy from before his delayed vote so its not the whole reason.

But it is a reason?
If he did vote immediately would you still have the same read?

Also, I'd rather vote someone I'm not finding town.

Even if it means starting a vanity wagon.

It's early and any wagon can happen, just put your vote into it and maybe someone will join you and bam, a wagon appeared.

[4] momo: Not_Mafia, Radiant Moonlight, zakk, Srceenplay,
[3] Nero Cain: Elena Fisher, Mewtaph, Keyser Söze,
[3] Not_Mafia: Aristophanes, momo, Ramcius,
[2] WhemeStar: Nero Cain, Ircher,
[2] Transcend: PenguinPower, WhemeStar,

If I had to join one of these wagons, I guess only Transcend's I would join.

I read these as you are starting vanity wagon because you town read the others.
Why would you join a transcend wagon?

[post=Wheme]Wheme[/post]

Bloody spammer. 70+ posts. 3 pages out of 16 are yours. My priority is to hunt for spammers before hunting for scums.

This can die for being extremely anti-town.
VOTE: Alban

[post=Wheme]Wheme[/post]

Bloody spammer. 70+ posts. 3 pages out of 16 are yours.

My priority is to hunt for spammers before hunting for scums

.

Don't you think a replacement is more advisable if you think this is true? Why chase a policy lynch on D1, when the great harvest has already begun?
I will take this as an avoidance to present your scum reads.

That's highly presumptuous. Why would you think I have not already presented my reads?

I don't think you have presented your reads, and this make me want to return to wagoning you.

Let's see...
Alban prob scum

Reasons.
Everyone who is voting for me or is suspecting me based on my vote for Wheme, I pity you. I am not lashing out but this is what I genuinely think. If one post can change your mind about whom to vote and who is worth suspecting, you are not only clueless about where you are in the game, but you second my point that these 20 pages of scumhunting -- if you can call it that -- are worthless.

Or maybe the fact that you haven't gave anything in 20 pages besides a vote on me that was purely based on the # of posts I have

100% agree with Wheme here.

You vote whemestar
You question him and his actions
You call it an RVS and people voting it are scumy
Then you call wheme and NotMafia scumy
Then you call it RVS again

The wagon STARTED with an rvs vote. 2nd post of p.2 I think.

Anyway, Wheme started reacting a bit scummy so I questioned him.

Then it suddenly became a huge deal and it looked like an early lynch was a possibility.

I stopped then because short D1 mislynch is never good for town.

Better safe than sorry.

Nero and Not seemed TOO eager.

Happy??????

Ok, here we go.... (Sorry if I'm very incoherent...)

Spoiler: Momo ISO - Day 1

1. 111 --> Confronts Wheme on his "Does it matter?" post -->

I feel like the majority of us would agree that this is a decent if not good post from Momo. Wheme's post definitely causes people to question his motives, and Momo's post highlights that suspicion. --> Townish (+1)

2. 128 - Responds to Wheme's 113, talks about the buildup of the Wheme wagon, and then switches topics and votes Not_Mafia for wagon-hopping -->

The response to Wheme's post was acceptable -- Wheme's post was kinda bad (though not scummy) imo. The rest of the post is.... not so great. You may have started the Wheme wagon, but you didn't propel it forward. What propelled it was Wheme and Not_Mafia asking people to vote Wheme. Your concern for its buildup seems exaggerated. The argument you used to attack Not_Mafia is a very questionable argument, and yet, I feel it's an argument that comes from inexperience.

TL;DR :

Weak post w/ exaggerated concern about Wheme wagon and a questionable attack on Not_Mafia --> Suspicious (-1)

3. 208 --> Trying to solve game, etc. -->

I disagree with your assertion that you are trying to solve the game. You are somewhat trying, but you are also ignoring everythng else that happens -- in other words, you have confimation bias. Tunneling, while not necessarily a bad thing, allows you to forget the big picture. It comes more often from town, but the way you are pursuing it is making me have my doubts. Really hard to explain -- gut says there's something off about this tunnel you are pursuing. --> Suspicious (-1)

While there could be more to say about individual posts, its kinda hard to, so I think I'm gonna wrap this up with overall things I'm noticing:

1. Lots of confirmation bias
2. Very little and usually weak explanations for reads
3. Though never a reliable tell, it feels "Too scummy to be scum".

VOTE: Momo

Why do you vote Momo now?

Momo, Wheme, and Nero are who you should pay attention to.

Is 'alban' the 'Yume' in this scenario?

There were 2 votes on alban... momo added the third (Wheme and Ircher have since unvoted alban).

No. I thought it was NotMafia. He threw attention there. Granted he gave a reason to it seemed like deflection to me.

Momo not town

@mod thanks for being active with the VCs. Helps a lot

You better have your homework done!

VOTE: Keyser

I'll sheep you Nero because I can't tell if he's scum or not.

VOTE: Keyser

Oh, it worked...

Inb4 one of these flips scum!

Hello, Aristophanes.

Your vote is still in RVS

. Are you trying to sort players in your faction PT?


You have offered two (town?) reads so far (two defences).

On momo:

Because I've never not scumread him, which gives me pause when a wagon on him grown like this!

And WhemeStar:

This whemestar fellow is clearly town tho. Why is this a wagon?

What are your actual thoughts on the arguments used against them? (Your thoughts on them concern only the speed/size of the wagon on them).

Hey Keyser! It's been a while!

Momo is a tough read and I legit always scumread them. Momo was more a moment of pause, but the more i read the morning ei think they may be scum.

Where is still likely to be town, and I've liked what they have posted thus far. Of course, a further analysis of both slots is required, but this is what I have atm.

Spoiler: Longass Keyser Post

Investigation file: momo

BTW, I started the wagon on Wheme as an rvs push. Why did people commit to it so hard??? I will be trying to find scum on that wagon??

My gut-read of this is still negative. The tone feels off. [Something petty: I didn't like his continuous use of multiple/excessive question marks ("??"), but he used them as town in our last game together, so less annoyed with them now]

Also, Not seems very flip floppy, trying to please everyone. First he followed me on wheme and the followed wheme on me. Looks like he wants to please everyone so that he is not lynched.

I personally don't read flip-flopping behaviour as scum indicative during early/RVS D1 play. But ok, I can see why someone would scum-read that behaviour in isolation.

Okay momo is scum we can speed lynch this

Even more proof for my case....

Ok, potentially OMGUS-fueled reaction to Not_Mafia's wagon-pushing.

Can somebody please tell me their thoughts on the case on Not??

It seems more solid than the nero one to me....

momo is confident on his Not_Mafia scum-case ranking it more solid than the scum-case on Nero Cain! Is this town-momo taking pride in his own scum-case on a player?

Where is the town???????

Guys unlike some of you people I am actively trying to solve the game. Not and Nero pushing the Wheme wagon that I meant as rvs strikes me as scummy. Thoughts on this????

Real or false frustration?

At the time of reading I thought all of this was scum-theatre (scum-distancing gone wrong).

I would tell you to play to you wincon but your acting as if your wincon is mislynching townies.

Again, I don't believe the tone/sincerity of this post.

Happy??????

F U guys.

It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait. So be smart and see past it...

Ok, the

'frustrated' element of his play is now raging up to boiling point

.

VOTE: alban

alban just GAVE AN EXCUSE for mislynching townies

99% scum

"99% scum"? - I don't know about that. Alban did made a questionable decision to hunt for spammers rather then scum, but that is not a "99%" slam-dunk scum-catch.

What happened to your scum-feels on Not_Mafia, Nero Cain and Creature? (still strong?)



Thus, going back to Ircher's two statements:

"The Momo wagon is bad and you guys and gals know it" and "Because he has done nothing highly indicative of scum; he's lynchbait at worst"

...
True, I cannot find anything "highly indicative of scum". Most of my suspicion lies in the fact that I don't believe the tone of his posts as from a townie. momo has been pressuring/questioning players that I too do not town read (Not_Mafia, Nero Cain, Creature, alban), so perhaps my scum-theatre theory is making me blind to momo's actual reads (which are actually similar to mine, if not for the same reasons).

Re-reading his ISO, he doesn't look CAUGHT-SCUM anymore

. My remaining concern is:

is this 'frustrated townie' or 'fake-frustrated'?

QUESTIONS:

1) Has anyone seen TOWN-momo become this frustated before? (Even citing his own town-meta as a defence of being easy lynchbait).
2) Do you think momo taking pride in his Not_Mafia scum-case is alignment indicative? I.e is town-momo more likely to get disheartened if no-one is listening to him?

See what I mean, he's a hard read!
I have seen him get frustrated as town iirc. But momo doesn't get disheartened as town, he just makes more noise until people follow him or lynch him.

435 sucks ass, and makes it obvious Alban and Momo aren't scum together. Either could be though, and from what I have read of Alban, as much as they could be, I done think they are. Momo is far more likely to be scum.

Who wants to talk

Sure, sup?

Oh, I was hoping you'd do that for me :S
I can't say I'm totally caught up yet.

However, sure!

What are your thoughts on the Zakk and Momo wagons, and if you dislike them, who among the voters do you think are scum?
What are your thoughts on Creature's potential intent to shut down the wagons and start fresh ones?

Also, if this game stalls, I'll shut down both wagons and roll a dice to a new wagon.

I think Zakk is town.

Momo is really hard to read. My gut is telling me he is scum, but I keep getting that feeling he could be town. Not against his lynch honestly. The earlier he is gone the better IMO.

So, hard town on Zakk, Momo is what, null? What makes you so willing to lynch him regardless of alignment?

That's a great idea wheme.

Radiant Moonlight gives very little for analysis. Overall they have three votes on Momo. The first was RVS, so I can ignore that. The next two still do not have reasoning attached. (You once claimed that Momo was Town). What is your reasoning for the Momo votes?

Transcend next. Transcend was merely sheeping. From what I can see, they were sheeping Radiant Moonlight, who gave very little in the way of reasoning. Transcend, why did you do this, and do you still agree with it?

PenguinPower gave virtually nothing.

Whemestar next. This is more interesting. It seems as though the main reason is meta. Exactly what is the main difference? I noticed that the Town Momo posted a huge wall very early on. Other than that, there was not much of a difference. If you noticed another difference, please explain it and then show that this is a pattern throughout Momo's games, not just in these two instances.

Why have you not moved your vote throughout the game?

I still vastly prefer an Aristophanes lynch, please stick this out Wheme.

Why RC?

Lol wtf Wheme

Alban isn't worth quoting, but he's been contradictory in this game. First he complains about post counts, claims people are spamming, and even votes Wheme for being active. Then he changes tune, to note the lack of wagons (without actually making a push himself) and complaining he's bored.
The Ramiscus OMGUS is ugly and his OMGUS on me is likewise disgusting. And his "come at me bro" mentality is just weird.

The slip I noted may not be a slip, but this sloot is still not doing much but complain, OMGUS, and make empty posts.

I don't know?
I'm trying to ask how can that happen. What makes it possible.

how we should know, if you refuse claim role?

I'm a Neopolitan and checked wheme last night.

I don't know?
I'm trying to ask how can that happen. What makes it possible.

how we should know, if you refuse claim role?

I'm a Neopolitan and checked wheme last night.

Bullshit.

WhemeStar was obvious town.

Like, really, really obvious town.

Wheme keeps saying Momo is town. Just because.

Weren't you scum reading Mo, Screen? Why did you opt to check Wheme over him?

Because wheme was hard defending him. Checking I thought could possibly be clearing two people.

As Momo continues to avoid direct confrontation can someone explain a town read?
Wheme don't talk about who Town should vig, if scum has a doc or protective they can defend against it.
My solid town reads
Creature
Keyser
RM
Wheme

Scum
Momo
Zakk
Neo

Whemestar is vanilla

Player #1: Alban

--> 32 posts

1. 13 --> "excited" -->

RVS --> Null (0) / Null (0)

2. 236 --> 10 pages, can only catch up in evenings -->

Too early o tell, but this post looks like just excuses --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

3. 275 --> Complains about spam; some other content as well -->

Kinda don't understand what you are saying about me (what reads as naive in my 160?), the rest seems okay, but I feel that the post doesn't cover enough. Honestly though, you read more as just lazy right now. --> Null (0) / Null (0)

4. 392 and 393 --> Vote Wheme for spamming -->

This was brought up before, but it's important to bring it up again in this ISO read as a player read is the sum of the reads I have on each post. Anyway, why are you prioritizing a lynch based on policy over looking for/lynching scum. It's not a huge alarm bell -- town do silly stuff all the time -- but it's an important to understand your perspective, and why you did things. --> Suspicious (-1) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

5. 483 --> Asks why Keyser presumes he hasn't presented his reads yet -->

Maybe because you haven't? I mean, 275 was a start, but you haven't really presented any substandial reads (other than perhaps your policy-based one.) I don't like the hint of an accusatory tone in the post but it's by no means a definitive tell. --> Null (0) / Null (0)

6. 494 --> Stuff concerning people voting him cuz his Wheme vote -->

Tell me this -- why shouldn't people want to policy lynch you for being useless if you want to policy lynch Wheme for spamming? I remember that I was one of the ones who voted you for your vote (which I admit was a bit foolish and policy based), but you have to admit that people are gonna policy vote the ones who play anti-town. The real question is -- why aren't you taking a more proactive stance in the game? You obviously seem to have reads -- why aren't you pursuing them or expounding upon them? Instead, you continue to pursue your Wheme PL to the exclusion of all else. --> Suspicious (-1) / Null (0)

7. 496 --> Admits to little content in his iso, but says it's better thasn the litle content in Wheme's cuz of a lower posting density -->

I would like to know how you can make an RVS vote 200 posts into the game. This post honestly feels like a back-pedal from his vote, but at the same time, it feels town; the entire post reads as transparent and honest. An unvote would be nice (or some reads), but the post does show imo a pro-town outlook, just a controversial one. --> Town (+2) / Null (0)

8. 760 --> Something about wagons stalling -->

Need context.

9. 765 --> Says he's "tempted to vote Momo" and will try to participate more -->

Earlier you said Momo was lynchbait. What caused your stance to change OR am I misreading, and you don't really support the Momo wagon? --> Suspicious (-1) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

10. 766 --> Finds Keyser suspicious ("hunch") -->

Just a hunch? Nothing more? Ah well, can't blame ya; I've kinda been like that all game. No substandial reads, just a few hunches and surface level reads. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

11. 783 --> Ramcius's vote looks like policy but wanna make sure -->

I like this post. Alban admits that the vote is fair if it's policy-based, and rather than OMGUS, he tries to establish a conversation between Ramcius and himself. The approach used here just reads as town. --> Town (+2) / Null (0)

12. 788 --> Refutes Ramcius's scumcase against him and votes Ramcius -->

I think this post takes a fair stance on the issue. It doesn't scream overtly town, but it does seem reasonable. --> Somewhat Town (+1) / Somewhat Content (+1)

13. 789 --> Laughs about Nero's post -->

Completely useless. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

14. 792 --> Says Ramcius is tunnelling -->

And back we are to no-content!you. Ugh. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

15. 794 --> Dares people to lynch him -->

Typical WIFOM and other shenanigans that both town and scum employ. --> Null (0) / Somewhat Fluffy (-1)

16. 1047 --> "I am back" -->

100% fluff, 0 content --> Null (0) / Fluff (-2)

17. 1048 --> Townread creature for something in faction pt but don't wanna say cuz people might jump -->

Explain to me how this makes logical sense. How can you townread a post yet think others will jump (aka scumread) him based on that post? --> Suspicious (-1) / Null (0)

18. 1305 --> Asks why Creature wants to incriminate you -->

Another useless post. And not a single real scumread in this ISO yet. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

19. 1309 --> Asks if Rb finds him scummy -->

See above comments. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

20. 1376 --> "I am bored" -->

Says the one who has done absolutely nothing thi game. If you are bored, why don't you change that by providing some actual content? --> Null (0) / Fluff (-2)

21. 1377 --> Didn't mean to say that aloud -->

But you did. And you are still doin' nothin' 'bout it. --> Null (0) / Fluff (-2)

22. 1383 --> "You wanna start a new wagon?" -->

Tone is too ggressiv here for my likes given what Alban has done. That said, 1377 is by no means a slip. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

23. 1384 --> Can't remember why he voted Ramcius -->

Zero content. Pretty much active lurking at this point. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

24. 1385 --> "This was for rb" -->

Spamming a bit, don't you think? See above. --> Null (0) / Active Lurking (-3)

25. 1436 --> Says he has nothing substandial to contribute at the moment among other things -->

I don't like this post. 50+ pages in and nothing to say throughout the game? No. --> Suspicious (-1) / Active Lurking (-3)

26. 1438 and 1462 --> Not relevant to this game.

27. 1473 --> Scumreads: Ari y someone else -->

Elaborate. --> Null (0) / Null (0)

28. 2011 y 2031 --> Stuff to the mod.

Alignment Score: 0
Activity Score: -29 over 28 items --> ~1.0357
Base Score: (0 - 1.0357)(1.0357) ~ -1.0727
Adjusted Score: -0.2145

Final Score: -34.52% --> Neutral Leaning Scum

Creature and Mewtaph are definitely town.
Wheme, momo, and Ramcius are probably town.
Keyser is lurking and more likely to be scum.
Zakk is town.
Alban is Neutral Scum.
Uzi is Neutral Scum.
Shos is possibly scum.
Rb is scum.

[zakk]

Ramcius - looks increasingly like he's scum trying to line up me/Nero in whatever order possible, for whatever reasoning possible

first, i told many times Nero is my townlean and i rather not lynch him, as for you, i said many times too, it was PoE from early D4, it not looks like Pere or Aronis are possible to lynch, so i have to settle on your lynch

I could definitely do an Aronis lynch.

I wouldn't lynch PV today.

[zakk]

BTD6_maker's appearances in scum ISOs

(they never had a chance to mention

ThinkBig

or

Aronis

)

RadiantMoonlight had 3 before your vote. Including himself

I have 5.

Zakk, Radiant, Ramcias, and BTD6 make 4 before my vote.

Out of {shos, Penguin, BTD6}, who should we flashwagon?

Out of {shos, Penguin, BTD6}, who should we flashwagon?

momo

momo already has a wagon, has had one throughout the game, and wasn't a choice.

'Kay, w're flashwagoning Penguin then.
VOTE: Penguin

Sure, sup?

Why haven't you caught up yet?

Out of {shos, Penguin, BTD6}, who should we flashwagon?

part of me is like "ewww lurker lynches" and then the other half is like "well I could see some scum intent to lurk it out and be useless"

Been working and general end of the school year stuff. I'll finish my read up very soon I'm sure, but I'm trying to stay as relevant as possible while I do.

Out of {shos, Penguin, BTD6}, who should we flashwagon?

VOTE: Ircher

Explain why.

I voted Ircher because _____________________________.

Out of {shos, Penguin, BTD6}, who should we flashwagon?

VOTE: Ircher

Explain why.

I voted Ircher because _____________________________.

I voted Ircher because

he is scum

______________.

Explain why.

Ircher is scum because __________________________________________.

Radiant Moonlight gives very little for analysis. Overall they have three votes on Momo. The first was RVS, so I can ignore that. The next two still do not have reasoning attached. (You once claimed that Momo was Town). What is your reasoning for the Momo votes?

Transcend next. Transcend was merely sheeping. From what I can see, they were sheeping Radiant Moonlight, who gave very little in the way of reasoning. Transcend, why did you do this, and do you still agree with it?

PenguinPower gave virtually nothing.

Whemestar next. This is more interesting. It seems as though the main reason is meta. Exactly what is the main difference? I noticed that the Town Momo posted a huge wall very early on. Other than that, there was not much of a difference. If you noticed another difference, please explain it and then show that this is a pattern throughout Momo's games, not just in these two instances.

Why have you not moved your vote throughout the game?

Interesting. We coul lynch BTD6, but it isn't a very productive lynch given who BTD6 is.

Ircher, where are you at?

Not w/ this game as I need to be. Despite how much time I may seem to have (and definitely used to have), school is catching up with me and is starting to be stressful. Furthemore, I just don't have the drive to try to sort through ISOs at the moment. Also, I signed up for too many games.

Ircher, why were you voting rb?

? I wasn't voting rb unless you are referring to the distant past.

Ircher, how well do you know BTD6_Maker?

Decent enough to know he's very likely ML bait right now. I'm not imoressed w/ him rn, but I reserve further judgedment.

Ircher, how's your PT going?

Fairly quiet, but I townread everyone posting there, including Zakk.

Ircher, what's your opinion on every player sticking with their birth factions?

I think that's no fun and not a foolproof idea. I like the idea of using serums N1 a lot more tbh, and giving people the freedom to change factions if they wish.

Transcend is scum and Nero is possibly town.

BTD6 is null.

[zakk]

After reading that in 294 posts, ALL THREE of Aristophanes, Ircher, and Screenplay only mention or respond to BTD6_maker SIX TIMES... clearly shows something.

When scum are under pressure, they try to point out lurkers and easy targets. BTD6 was both. He wasn't even a thought in their minds... they just said he was null and ignored him. And then once, Ircher asked him why he hadn't moved his vote throughout the entire game... but then never followed up on it. This reads more as scum prodding scum to do something, while also being like "hey look townies, I'm noticing bad things about this person!" ... instead of being like "BT6 hasn't moved his vote all game, and he's lurking, let's lynch him!"

I think Aronis is the last groupscum.

[zakk]

After reading that in 294 posts, ALL THREE of Aristophanes, Ircher, and Screenplay only mention or respond to BTD6_maker SIX TIMES... clearly shows something.

When scum are under pressure, they try to point out lurkers and easy targets. BTD6 was both. He wasn't even a thought in their minds... they just said he was null and ignored him. And then once, Ircher asked him why he hadn't moved his vote throughout the entire game... but then never followed up on it. This reads more as scum prodding scum to do something, while also being like "hey look townies, I'm noticing bad things about this person!" ... instead of being like "BT6 hasn't moved his vote all game, and he's lurking, let's lynch him!"

I think Aronis is the last groupscum.

@nero: Read this and do your own research here

[zakk]

Speaking of Keyser/LUV... I don't know why we all considered them for scum at some point, but Ramcius has never really been on the table for discussion. Why is that?

because i wouldn't bus 2 of my scumbuddies D1 - i brought Ari and Srceen as candidates for serum, pushed Ari's wagon at end of D1, and it was my initiative to follow Srceen N1

I typically hate "if i was scum i wouldn't / wouldn't have ..." arguments...

but... I understand where you're coming from.


So... please read what I have posted on Aronis. And opine thereon.




I think I just needed a kick in the pants.
And something felt wrong about me and Nero being the two main wagons... MOSTLY since we are the two most active players.

[zakk]

VOTE: Aronis

[zakk]

So why are you not voting him?

OH BUT I AM

[zakk]

Ramcius spearheaded the investigation, scum-reading, focus, vote and consolidation on two flipped Mafia.

He is off the books for today (as Mafia-scum)

okay, i just really hated his "lynch nero, then lynch zakk if he's town"

realllllly makes me think he's either scum or an SK with that outlook

it feels like he

knows

we are gonna flip town

[zakk]

can we plz stop with the scumhunting? thanks

Sorry bitch. No

[zakk]

Ramcius spearheaded the investigation, scum-reading, focus, vote and consolidation on two flipped Mafia.

He is off the books for today (as Mafia-scum)

Vote Aronis with me

[zakk]

can we plz stop with the scumhunting? thanks

Sorry bitch. No

Can you put them in a spoiler tag though? That would be helpful.

God dammit read the fucking posts
It's on the damn *second line* why I can't spoil them

[zakk]

sorry i got depressed and lazy

k

I haven't taken much of an in depth look at zakk's very recent posts

that's obvious

here's a quick case based on what I'd noted from earlier

this ought to be rich

I didn't like his push on momo earlier in the game. The momo wagon has, somewhat similarly to alban, felt like scum driving a mislynch to me

momo was being useless and scummy. he has since been mostly ruled out via disassociative tells.
however, at the time, we had no flips, and thus he was as good a wagon as any, being, as i mentioned, useless and scummy

looking at the earlier wagon on momo it makes sense to me that him and Srceenplay would be the two scum pushing that wagon.

except for the fact that i'm not scum, and also you fail to mention that Whemestar, Lil Uzi Vert, and PeregrineV were all on the wagon as well

Then I also strongly dislike his push on alban starting around 2435.

that is your opinion. it doesn't mean it was a bad push. it was actually a damn good push.[/quote]

It comes across as kind of rolefishy when he's asking alban to claim in their PT.

i was asking him to even deign to POST in the PT. which is a completely legitimate request, y'know, this being a mafia game and all, where communication is, y'know, important

And then I just feel like there's a real lack of legitimate reasoning behind his push and he's just going after low-hanging fruit to get an easy lynch.

>pushed momo until he was disassociatively shown to be most likely town, and then was totally fine with him
>pushed alban until he started talking in our topic, and i could get a read on him, and then was totally fine with him

(it's called scumhunting, btw)

is nero cain low-hanging fruit?
who else do you consider low-hanging fruit?
do you consider yourself to be low-hanging fruit?

Then the last main thing I have right now is how he's been sheeping shos lately (shos said this in an earlier post, not sure which).

if you cared, you could look and see what shos said, which was that i had ideas of my own as well.

so are you trying to make me look bad for

sharing the ideas of confirmed town

?
or are you trying to make me look bad for

having ideas of my own as well

?

because i guarantee you that neither of those is a bad thing, and anybody with two eyes can see that you're being lazy and apathetic and coasting. and then making excuses ("sorry i got depressed and lazy").

Earlier in the game he called shos "useless" and then said "useless people can die,"

Hell yeah! shos was being dead weight! now he's pulling his weight, and so he can live. oh yeah, he's also confirmed town. shut the fuck up

while reads can change and the fact that he'd be townreading makes sense with what's transpired, I feel like it's kinda a big change to go from seeing shos as "useless" to copying shos.

did you miss the fact that i'm in a private topic with him, he's actually talking to me in there, and oh yeah, HE'S FUCKING CONFIRMED TOWN

and i'm not copying him, for the last fucking time.

to me it seems overly convenient and somewhat scummy for him to be buddying somebody who's pretty much confirmed town right now.

yeah except i'm not buddying him and never have, you just reminded everyone (and then apparently, conveniently forgot) that i was trying to lynch him for being useless, until he was confirmed town and led a scum lynch.


eat a dick. and eat a rope.

[zakk]

Speaking of Keyser/LUV... I don't know why we all considered them for scum at some point, but Ramcius has never really been on the table for discussion. Why is that?

because i wouldn't bus 2 of my scumbuddies D1 - i brought Ari and Srceen as candidates for serum, pushed Ari's wagon at end of D1, and it was my initiative to follow Srceen N1

I typically hate "if i was scum i wouldn't / wouldn't have ..." arguments...

but... I understand where you're coming from.


So... please read what I have posted on Aronis. And opine thereon.




I think I just needed a kick in the pants.
And something felt wrong about me and Nero being the two main wagons... MOSTLY since we are the two most active players.

BTD was my first pick, i was last person to leave Aronis wagon and voting you, so i have no problem lynch him

VOTE: Aronis

cool you just went up a notch in my book

now get your dauntless buddies to follow suit pls

[zakk]

basically zakk is spewing my ideas from Candor, lol, perhaps with additions of his own

NC definitely fits to be an SK, and there definitely is an SK in high likelihood(sp?) and nero is probably not groupscum anyway.

1 kill from N2 isn't enough to prove sk existence

it is if you know what i know

and no you can't know what i know

yet

[zakk]

Yeah Zakk I don't read those long posts of quotes

you've been useless all game, so why don't you do everyone a favor and actually do something.

IT'S CALLED SCUMHUNTING. IT'S WHAT WE DO TO WIN.

or are you saying you don't want to win?

what the fuck is up with the apathetic meta these days. kids, i goddam swear.

Don't really like cAse on Aronis

oh really? what would you like? a cop result?

read the rest of my posts

read the rest of his posts

get back to me with a real opinion

stop being a useless asshat when the deadline is approaching and DO SOMETHING

[zakk]

@zakk: We can worry about Aronis later if Keyser doesn't flip scum. For now, let's go with someone more people feel strongly about.

@WhemeStar: I see. I haven't analyzed all of the days votes, so I was unaware of your stance.

i feel MUCH more strongly about aronis

all three of the people in that slot have been COMPLETELY and TOTALLY USELESS.

i have more posts on the last TWO PAGES than they have had the ENTIRE GAME.

ALL THREE of them have posted 0.006 the amount of posts in the ENTIRE GAME.

look at it this way:

who is trying hardest not to have a footprint on the game (unless they are called out?) the scum who have had 3 buddies lynched back-to-back-to-back

like i said, i'm probably the #1 kill target for tonight. but that's fine as long as we lynch scum.

i'm just sick of everyone letting complete idiocy and uselessness get by in this game.



i... almost wish Radiant Moonlight were back. and that is NOT something that i would say lightly.

[zakk]

pagetop~

case in fucking point.

useless.
as.
shit.

VOTE: Aronis

[zakk]

Right now, in order, I would lynch:

Aronis
Ramcius
Nero Cain
Lil Uzi Vert
Keyser Söze
PeregrineV
WhemeStar
momo
Creature
Hikari Link

[zakk]

Why is it so hard to lynch Aronis

Why does everyone want to lynch Nero Cain now that I *don't* wanna lynch Nero Cain

Why why why

[zakk]

Also

@mod and players

I'm terribly sorry for my horrible attitude and words yesterday, I was in a very very bad mood. Obviously that's no excuse, but still. Please accept my apologies. Thanks Gamma, for replacing Aronis, sorry mod, for making you replace him. And sorry Aronis, for being a jerk.

Geez I think I'm gonna leave the site at this rate. I'm just too much of an asshole here.
I mean obviously I'm not gonna leave right this second... just making me think. I don't like who I am here.

[zakk]

I don't want to hammer Nero Cain.

I want everyone else to lynch Aronis/Gamma with me.

[zakk]

Better to survive on WIFOM than to die ...

[zakk]

Also, did scum actually claim the scum roles they were?

They weren't given fakeclaims?

[zakk]

I guess not. Aris claimed non-Allegiant role, and Screenplay refused to claim in 1876. didn't even bother looking up ircher.

[zakk]

well that's a setup flaw if i've ever seen one

[zakk]

OR, maybe they all shared their fake claims with each other, but then they decided to try the field with the first claim, to see if they actually needed to use their fakeclaims, or if they could get away with claiming their actual roles, in case there was a flavor cop and they could be found out to be lying

and then that backfired and Aris was lynched regardless of claim, and was found out to have not been lying. so they are saving their allegiant fakeclaims for later? idk this sounds like a huge stretch of imagination. but pointing out the possibility that an allegiant claim doesn't NECESSARILY mean they're town... because then a mass-claim would straight up break the game.

i'll be online until a lynch happens. period.

i just want it to be Gammaronis.

[zakk]

Current deadline:

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch. Day Four will end in

(expired on 2017-05-10 00:05:00)

.

[zakk]

According to Divergent Wikia, I don't see Evelyn in Edward's allies list.

Where are you getting your stuff from. Keyser?

[zakk]

It's not gonna be Gamma, zakk. Just be happy that we are lynching Mafia or the SK with Nero.

Anyway, I am gonna try to get a couple hours of sleep now. Hopefully I'll see you guys Day 5 if this doesn't end it. If not, it's been surprisingly fun for a game I just replaced in with a couple days left.

I mean I hope so but I don't feel so great about it for the last half of today.

I wanna know where Keyser gets his info before I decide to switch, if I decide to switch.

Also would love a vote count.

[zakk]

According to Divergent Wikia, I don't see Evelyn in Edward's allies list.

Where are you getting your stuff from. Keyser?

Go to Evelyn's wiki.

I've ran a search on every page.

http://divergent.wikia.com/wiki/Evelyn_Johnson

shows her ONLY ally as Edward... ehhhh.... okay

[zakk]

I wish I would have rewatched the movies though. But I can get behind a Nero lynch now.

I think I'm the hammer, I wanna count first.

[zakk]

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 4.26

[L-1] Nero Cain:

Lil Uzi Vert, momo, shos, Ramcius, Hikari Link, Gamma Emerald,

[L-3] Gamma Emerald:

zakk Nero Cain, Creature, WhemeStar,

[1] Creature:

PeregrineV,

[2] Not Voting:

Keyser Söze,

MOD NOTES:

Nero Cain is the leading wagon.

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch. Day Four will end in

(expired on 2017-05-10 00:05:00)

.

oh i missed this one.

[zakk]

no this is the bed i have made and I am gonna lie in it.

i'm gonna hammer

[zakk]

no point in waiting.

VOTE: Nero Cain

[zakk]

i can't bring myself to wait 17 minutes to do what takes 3 seconds, just for the sake of it.

there's literally no point.

so if he flips town, it's my bad. and at least he was able to make me thoroughly doubt myself, and prefer a lynch other than his.

but if he flips mafia or SK... then i take all that back, and i told you all he was scum (and i never doubted~~)

[zakk]

zakk.. we all agreed on the deadline.

where? i must have missed that in skimming like 5-6 pages

[zakk]

I was going to say if Nero flips town, the vig shoots within the Nero wagon.

(I wanted to hammer).

Why does it matter then? Shouldn't you be glad I hammered then?

[zakk]

Wiki says Edward was only in book allied with Ewelyn, in movies he was only in first, in 2nd and 3rd he was replaced by Edgar (same person in essence, guess something with original Edward actor not wanting take part in sequels)

that probably explains me not remembering the character that much...

probably one of the reasons the movies got canceled, too

shame

[zakk]

Why did you have to hammer?

We were all here online?

i feel like it was my responsibility. hence my comments before hammering.

i pushed the wagon ALLLLLLL day. i can't just get cold feet now at the deadline. yes, i wanted to lynch someone else more, but i will see this lynch through. i'm not afraid of it.

i have second guessed myself and been wrong before, so i'm not afraid to go with my first instinct, even if my gut read has changed.

why do you care if i hammered so much? Nero could still come back and say whatever he wanted, it still doesn't change the fact that he WAS the one that was going to be lynched.

[zakk]

eh, what's done is done.

if he flips town because i was the one who pushed his wagon all day, and wouldn't switch to Aronis earlier when he was at 4 votes because i was too busy tunneling nero... ... that's on me.

if he flips SK though. y'all better thank me. lmao

[zakk]

ok i g2g but i'll check in on my phone in an hour or so

[zakk]

You should claim next gamma

[zakk]

Unlucky with vig shot but momo was practically non-Mafia cleared through associations.

I heard the argument for association and I didn't think it was compelling enough. You think that's bad? I almost shot shos because I thought the Bus Driver had switched him when we used Candor to clear him. Until I found out that Faction abilities bypass that.

Lmao

I am chuckling so loud at work at this

People are looking at me but I can't stop

[zakk]

Shos who are you?

Zakk, who are you?

I'm Natalie prior, Ascetic Townie. All night actions on me (except kills) will fail. I already name claimed in Candor but I didn't role claim so this is hot off the presses.

[zakk]

I'm not discrediting him it's just hilarious

[zakk]

I just realized that 3 of the last 4 deaths were Erudite. All townies. Any comments, PV?

[zakk]

Not just *a* vanilla townie, *the* Vanilla Townie

[zakk]

guys you should never do anything based on flavor

Agreed but it's been a pretty good indicator so far

[zakk]

David

David is the leader of the Bureau of Genetic Welfare. He is first introduced in Allegiant as the central antagonist of the book, and is the one responsible for Tris Prior's death.

[zakk]

OK maybe not

[zakk]

This confuses me.

Pedir: shiiit sorry

[zakk]

Spoilers:

http://divergent.wikia.com/wiki/David

[zakk]

To further elaborate, I'm an inherently paranoid Mafia player. I happen to think that my scum game is strong and I naturally tend to think that scum are more strategically savvy than they typically are. In a situation of advantage (such as when 3/4 or 3/5 of scum are dead), rather than applying Occam's Razor, I start thinking about what really crafty fucking scum would do. I'd basically rather catch crafty scum than lose to them. In retrospect, it's actually probably a really bad attitude to have and I'm going to try to be more wary of it going forward.

This isn't bad at all; it's definitely what I do.

It has only cost me LyLo once or twice out of over a hundred games. Those were painful to lose, and I got yelled at for sure, but they were losses of principle, and I'd make the same choices given the same chances, all over again.

It's why I also didn't write off momo as town, despite the wagons.
It's why I didn't blindly accept that all Dauntless players are town.
It's also why I don't fully trust you regardless of positive evidence.

To be quite honest it's the only reason I play mafia.

[zakk]

As for the third unaccounted for kill, someone is lying or if there is an SK, he or she is so confindent that they've preferred not to kill for 4 out of the last 5 nights.

Yeah, that, or, one of the following:

- they've simply forgotten to submit a kill (albeit unlikely)
- they've failed due to protect/jail (semi-likely, hence mass claim)
- they've killed the same person as the mafia (very likely)

[zakk]

Is this right?

Not_Mafia, Town Doctor (Andrew Prior), was killed N1! MAFIA
Radiant Moonlight, Town Friendly Neighbor (Christina), was killed N2! MAFIA
Transcend, Vanilla Townie (Matthew), was killed N3! MAFIA
WhemeStar, Vanilla Townie (Edith Prior), was killed N4! MAFIA

Mewtaph, Vanilla Townie (Johanna Reyes), was killed N3! ERUDITE FACTION VIG

momo, Vanilla Townie (Edward), was killed N4! Hikari Link VIG

Elena Fisher, Town Factional Observer (Tori Wu), was killed N2! ????
Ramcius, Vanilla Townie (David), was killed N4! ????



I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE IT IS D5 AND IT'S ONLY NOW PEOPLE ARE CLAIMING THEIR NK'S (claiming accountablity)

We lynched Nero on the premise he was a SK.



If there is no SK, I want to know now before we start voting.

Where are you getting the information for what is a mafia kill or not? Who claimed that?

I am 99.999% sure there is a serial killer. And anyway even if there isn't, we should lynch like there is, until we are happily surprised by a win.

In any case, if there are only 4 scum, and all are group scum, then the last mafia is basically a serial killer anyway.

However, how do you explain away the 3 kills last night? Vig/scum/SK sounds pretty cut and dried to me.

[zakk]

I think we have 2 vigilantes and the other is the rb slot. I can see him not claiming until later.

Why would we have 2 vigs? What basis do you have for this belief?

[zakk]

As for the third unaccounted for kill, someone is lying or if there is an SK, he or she is so confindent that they've preferred not to kill for 4 out of the last 5 nights.

I think I still botched that.

I don't see there being an SK or a third-party due to flavor, nor do I see why he or she doesn't kill 4 out of 5 nights. However with no counterclaim, Occam Razor says HL is town unless this game is bastard.

This guy is really trying hard to convince us there is no sk

Baseless
And he thinks 3 kills a night can be scum and two vigs??
Are you serious?


Can I haz wagon?

I'm getting pretty close but I want to hear from PerV first.

Still think scum in Dauntless is a possibility, and SK in Dauntless is a near certainty imo.

[zakk]

Actually hold the phone.

Which factions have the scum all been in?

How is it possible the SK has not cross killed in 5 nights, AND has not known which kills to avoid?

Yea I def need to see the PV claim before my brain wraps itself in knots.

A full vig role type *could* possibly be replaced by 2-3 one shot types.

But then there's still missing kills right?

[zakk]

rb was scum reading both Elena and RC so I can see him shooting them. I'm not sure why anyone who's town would kill Mo, Ram, or Wheme outside of paranoia.

But they all died the same night, so, are you saying you don't think Hikari Link is town?

[zakk]

Weird. Why.

[zakk]

WHY, KELVIN??!??

[zakk]

Can someone explain to me why an Ascetic Townie is in the set-up?
Thanks.

My assumption was as a foil for the bus driver (along with the serums) / a false "positive" for any investigative roles

[zakk]

Wait, I didn't know we had 3 kills. I thought Wheme was lurking.

Yeah there is an SK.

LUV is not the SK unless he's a beast at dumbtelling.

LMAO I didn't even see this post until now

I don't think it's possible he's doing that on accident...

It looks like he knows he's about to be caught and trying to argue against there being an SK, but then when people didn't accept his argument, he backtracked and pretended he had no idea there were 3 kills. Lolol

[zakk]

No one even pushed back

, I just noticed that I was operating under wrong information.

oh really

what about

As for the third unaccounted for kill, someone is lying or if there is an SK, he or she is so confindent that they've preferred not to kill for 4 out of the last 5 nights.

I think I still botched that.

I don't see there being an SK or a third-party due to flavor, nor do I see why he or she doesn't kill 4 out of 5 nights. However with no counterclaim, Occam Razor says HL is town unless this game is bastard.

This guy is really trying hard to convince us there is no sk

Baseless
And he thinks 3 kills a night can be scum and two vigs??
Are you serious?


Can I haz wagon?

and

I think we have 2 vigilantes and the other is the rb slot. I can see him not claiming until later.

Two 1-shot vigilantes is the only thing that makes sense right now really.

Why would we have 2 vigs? What basis do you have for this belief?

or maybe

VOTE: LUV

VOTE: LUV

VOTE: LUV