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[zakk]

Vote: radiant moonlight

Burn the hydraaaaaa

[zakk]

VOTE: Whemestar

For not voting

Uhm look at Keyser????

LOL

LOLOL

Vote: WhemeStar

[zakk]

Zakk is my top tr

Everyone not voting whemestar is doing it http://i.imgur.com/qvAsJND.gif

yessssss

Let me get this straight Wheme:

1. I make an RVS vote on Radiant w/ a comment about bandwagoning
2. You comment that the vote was bad simply because more people were voting you at the time.
3. We go back and forth a little on the issue.
4. You vote me way after you initially call me out on the issue with the comment that my vote was lazy.
5. When called out for your late vote, you if honestly mattered
6. When I asked you how being lazyng implies I'm scum, you evade the point by stting that lazy doesn't imply town.

Tell me how this doesn't read as suspicious on your side?

ircher is town

How does it feel to finally be scum Ircher?

hello false bravado post

seems more like low risk high reward to me.

You like lynching town? Are you scum?

hello false bravado post #2

Hey blue dude why did you say Ircher is scum but keeping your vote on me is fun

dont like this post

I probably won't vote a wagon that's likely to be lolhammered.

any excuse not to vote on a wagon, especially when it's at L-5 or something, is a vote against progress

a.k.a. scummy

UNVOTE:
Wheme is not an alt. I would describe his play as "eh whatever" type of player. The games I have read he says and does stupid shit. I'm not lynching him for this.

:goodposting: but i disagree with you

also, the typo in your username drives me fucking insane. i now abjectly hate you.

Wheme is an alt and hasn't done anything stupid

http://i.imgur.com/qvAsJND.gif

LOL! okay screenplay is town. this post is perfect.

Wheme is an alt and hasn't done anything stupid

Wrong

I disagree

why do you think he's an alt? actual reasons.

Okay momo is scum we can speed lynch this

i hate this post.

appealing to the majority, can "we" lynch this. always scummy when i see that

like, if you want to vote that, go ahead, but nothing has really stuck out to me on a skim, so why are you promoting a speed lynch when there are clearly options on the table like whemestar who you appear to dislike as well

scum points.

Wheme is an alt and hasn't done anything stupid

Wrong

I disagree

I'm giving you a fact, not an opinion

okay now it's your turn for giving reasons. how do you know?

So 1-3 is not suspicious at all. Don't know why you included them but eh.
Do you not find lazy votes suspicious? If not, why not?
Its hard for me to explain why I read you as scum for being lazy, so I just won't explain it.

1-3 are for completeness.

Lazy votes

during RVS

are not suspicious at all because it is

RVS

.

OMG. YOU FUCK!!! steal my gif why don't you.

and damn i thought i was being original.

Spoiler:

well tbh i guess it's not that original + somebody was bound to use it + it's probably already in common use since that happened between when i left and came back. lol. still. i thought i was cool but nooo

I already know I'ma need a drink for this game.

Spoiler:

ha i'm original again

He's my son. I talked him into playing.

okay cool.

i like where this is going.

Apologizing in advanced for misgenders and this list includes the people who have stuck out to me.

Spoiler: Reads

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
Ircher  (100%) - Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
Not_Mafia (0%) - It's hard to get a read here when he's always goofing off. Even when he does say something relevant, it tends to be an absolute, and he generally refuses to elaborate further.

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)
Momo (+40%) - There have been questionable things tha this slot has said, sure, but it reads as genuine thoughts versus scum trying to manipulate the town. Aka, Momo, for lack of a better description, reads sorta like lynchbait at the moment.
Wheme (-55%) - For me, his attack on me at the beginning was bad, and while forgivable, his unwillingness to provide information and evasion of my question reads as suspicious at a bare minimum.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)

never use these awful colors again

Feel like its to early to give a readlist like that but do you.

it is.

also, you seem townier now.

VOTE: Radiant Moonlight

why

but you have my support on momo, even though I don't really want to vote here (maybe most of paranoia of accidentally hammering or putting someone to L-1 unannouncedly).

again with the "i'm scared to vote, guysss" crap

creature why not vote anyone but a solo vanity wagon on mewtaph?

Sorry you rolled scum Momo

Wheme, enough of this bull sh*t. Get out of your damn tunnel and start scum hunting.

I would tell you to play to you wincon but your acting as if your wincon is mislynching townies.

this post is pretty horrible.

vote: momo

VOTE: momo

okay nvm you're good

choo choo

You vote whemestar
You question him and his actions
You call it an RVS and people voting it are scumy
Then you call wheme and NotMafia scumy
Then you call it RVS again

The wagon STARTED with an rvs vote. 2nd post of p.2 I think.

Anyway, Wheme started reacting a bit scummy so I questioned him.

Then it suddenly became a huge deal and it looked like an early lynch was a possibility.

I stopped then because short D1 mislynch is never good for town.

Better safe than sorry.

Nero and Not seemed TOO eager.

Happy??????

why the tons of question marks??????

Any other wagon that could work?

The momo wagon is a good alternative to the momo wagon

i lol'd

VOTE: zakk

okay nvm you're

NOT

good

(not to even touch on the fact that it's on me...)
...why start another one-man wagon, instead of continuing to contribute to one that's generating content?

Terrible vote

VOTE: Creature

Back 2 work for real now

indeed.

yet, why do you have a town read on me.
i have done nothing but lol-vote whemestar before this post

--

keyser 241 feels town.
keyser 242 feels town

anddd i'm done.

[zakk]

town reads on screenplay and whemestar btw

[zakk]

Okay, and then here's the thing that bugs me the most about your slot:

seems more like low risk high reward to me.

You like lynching town? Are you scum?

I do not like lynching town and I am not scum. I think your play has been really odd and your stance that you should be town read is beyond me.

You respond to this post by Wheme as if you already know he's town or with the prenotion that he's town through the way you respond to him. What were you trying to get from Wheme with this post?

Good catch.

Will also lynch Nero.

[zakk]

Mod, I will be V/LA until the 14th of April. I will still try to post, though.

This is too long for a V/LA. Please try to make atleast one post everyday. If you can't play, please tell me so I could search for a replacement.

Awww yea I like this mod

[zakk]

Okay, and then here's the thing that bugs me the most about your slot:

seems more like low risk high reward to me.

You like lynching town? Are you scum?

I do not like lynching town and I am not scum. I think your play has been really odd and your stance that you should be town read is beyond me.

You respond to this post by Wheme as if you already know he's town or with the prenotion that he's town through the way you respond to him. What were you trying to get from Wheme with this post?

Good catch.

Will also lynch Nero.

Mew town

Zakk scum

[zakk]

What about you, Radiant? Where's your vote on zakk?

Why were you voting me *before* 243? I had made very few posts with any kind of content and there were plenty of better targets at that point.

And then: Why are you still voting me after?

Does 243 strike you as a town or scum post? Because you made an excuse for voting me based on the fact that it was before my 243, and then left it at that.

Implying that you could have had reason to suspect before, in contrast to after. You are subconsciously contradicting your own narrative. I almost thought it was OMGUS because I called you out for having shitty votes on vanity wagons, twice. But again, as you said, you voted me before 243.

So, start talking.

[zakk]

Good catch.

this is not a catch.

Why did you edit my post to take my suspicion of YOU out of it?

What I actually said was "good catch; Will also vote Nero"

Did you not like the fact that I expressed suspicion of you? Are you trying to frame this subliminally to other players as you being an uninvolved party, whose opinion can be trusted (at least, more than it could be if you left my suspicion of you in the post)?

Pretty interested in your response to this. Because it was a short post, and there is no reason to edit that out except to try to keep your name out of people's minds as scum, while also discrediting me.

And yes, it is a catch.
And so is this.

[zakk]

What about you, Radiant? Where's your vote on zakk?

Why were you voting me *before* 243? I had made very few posts with any kind of content and there were plenty of better targets at that point.

And then: Why are you still voting me after?

Does 243 strike you as a town or scum post? Because you made an excuse for voting me based on the fact that it was before my 243, and then left it at that.

Implying that you could have had reason to suspect before, in contrast to after. You are subconsciously contradicting your own narrative. I almost thought it was OMGUS because I called you out for having shitty votes on vanity wagons, twice. But again, as you said, you voted me before 243.

So, start talking.

Too many words, nothing to me.

Awww, Feeling left out?

Your player slot has no greater context in the game yet.
Take some stances worth considering and I'll respond to you commensurately.

[zakk]

243 doesn't seem AI for you.

Could you please show me some meta-rich scum-zakk connections. I feel like that is your angle (?).

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=66557

Ahhh that was a good game. "Still adventuring"

more (good) scum meta of mine can be found in Mini 1385B/1388: Killer Instinct Mafia (don't ask about the game number)

[zakk]

I have a hard time believing that scum would say something so blatantly scummy.

this

Oh look momo opportunistically jumping on someone, shocking

this




moar Momo votes. alban is a distraction.

[zakk]

No, Not yet.

Sell me on a case that isn't Momo or Nero.

creature. go look at my posts.

[zakk]

Haters gonna hate Elena

Dauntless what is your power because I'm considering switching to you from abnegation

This has been a (Drunk) zakk post

[zakk]

[Set-up spec: there could be up to 5 scum in this set-up. Unless it's 4 groupscum + 1 Serial Killer.]

That's what I said in the Abnegation topic as well... 21 person games usually just have five groupscum ime. I didn't really consider a serial killer at the time... it's quite possible but I think it would be more likely there are five factions and five scum though. One scum per faction just seems toooo neatly organized to pass up, from a setup design / balance perspective (at least if it were me). Either way the # of kills per night will be telling about an SK (or vig) but as for the rest of it, I think one large group faction makes sense both balance-wise and flavor-wise, compared to multiple smaller groups.

[zakk]

No, Not yet.

Sell me on a case that isn't Momo or Nero.

creature. go look at my posts.

I found 1 post were you talk about Creature. You mention him a couple times in it(big post).
What is see is you scum reading him for not being on a major wagon. Is that right? Anything else? What about everyone else who is not on a major wagon?

It's *not* that he is not on a major wagon.

It's that he is specifically, repeatedly, statedly, only interested in wagons that he thinks will not come to fruition.

It's that he's not only *not* using his vote in the way it was meant to be used, it's that he is *refusing* to, and actively avoiding doing so.

It's the type of behavior I expect from someone who:

A) doesn't want to make waves in the game

B) doesn't want to make enemies in the game

C) doesn't want to be "blamed for" or "on the hook for", or even have the remote chance of vaguely *appearing* to be responsible for any possible mislynches (regardless of whether they are only at L-7).

D) isn't interested in the decidedly pro-town strategy of pressuring people with votes intending to kill them if they fail to generate content and hopefully reveal useful information about their alignment while under forced duress.

In fact, the only reason I'm *not* voting him yet is because I'm doing the opposite of that; staying on the momo wagon until I'm satisfied by either a solid gut feel about momo, or his death and flip.

[zakk]

oh yeah and i've ssaid nothing alignment indicative in the dauntless pt.

so idk why penguin tr's me.

I don't know why you town read me either, you posted that before I posted any real content or had any opinions

Smelled like buddying

[zakk]

Haters gonna hate Elena

Dauntless what is your power because I'm considering switching to you from abnegation

This has been a (Drunk) zakk post

Ha. Hahaha

HAAA

I don't remember this at all

[zakk]

Also, frustrated town usually doesn't mean to look frustrated.

Damn I really like this post. Good thought process re: momo

Makes me like the momo wagon even more, and hopping to creature is much less likely now

But damn creature. Vote big wagons. It's pro-town I promise, even if it feels dangerous. Idk how you can think good thoughts on one thing but be so seemingly naive about another. (shrug)

[zakk]

Also, frustrated town usually doesn't mean to look frustrated.

This is self meta but I have been mislynched so many times I just get frustrated by the possibility. Like I can't always be scum people

This appeal to probability is fudgin AWFUL

[zakk]

Can those from other factions list their ability.....

No, that gives scum more info.

It's like asking everyone to massclaim.

Trump WRONG.gif

It's likely that there's scum in most (if not all) of the factions already. Since they already know most/all of what's going on, they know exactly what they don't know, and will know who needs to change to what faction tonight, to get control of what power, most likely.

If they don't know all the powers, they can either switch one to the powers they don't know tonight, to know what they are up against (a gamble, but well worth it imo) OR they can take stock of what they know, and try to stack the faction with the power they find most useful, and gain a majority there.

Therefore, if we ALL know the powers that the factions have, then we are slightly closer to removing the benefit that the scum have, in terms of information and prior planning.

Each of us only know 1 faction power.
The scum team potentially know all five.

Let's *share* our info, and help to make ourselves a slightly-less-uninformed majority, by sharing knowledge and balancing the scales somewhat.

[zakk]

There is no WIFOM, I'm scum

Come on guys. He is doing this on purpose. How do you not see this?????

VOTE: Not_Mafia

We obviously see it.

Wine In Front Of Me is WIFOM!!!!

Hahahahahahhahaha

Scroll to the bottom of that page and click it

WIFOM products --what the hell?? looool

[zakk]

Ok later nerds.

Spoiler: hey, you guys who are voting me:

[zakk]

i find amusing people asking for other factions powers, but not revealing their own

Also, zakk, you say mafia might try get in faction they are not in atm, if any, to learn their power, so you instead telling we should just give this info to them for free? Revealing today makes no sense, we can wait till D2 and reveal then, if we decide that it's important to know that info for everybody

In all likelihood, scum *already have* this info. Read the bolded in my post discussing this. Revealing now will give us just the same amount of info they probaably already have. Trust me if I was scum I would not be putting this disparity of potentially public, undeniably useful information on blast. I'd tell my scumbuddies to shut up about it until at least D2, when the info would no longer be actionable.

Indeed, if this info is NOT shared by Day 1, then it's almost moot, because we can't change anything after that. The whole point of revealing it now is so that we can strategize, with the same level of information that the scum has.

And the reason I haven't revealed my own faction's ability yet is because I'm not a loose cannon or a dick. I have good ideas, but I still try to get majority consent first. Again, the fact that people are generally suspicious of this idea is good, and it should be a towntell for both me AND you, because if it was a scum idea you could bet your ass that I'd have discussed this with my buddies and had it set up so that at least one of them could marginally back me up on the idea. I already did present this idea in passing in my the Abnegation topic.

Zakk how does know each groups serums help you find scum at all?

It's mostly a non sequitur. I clearly stated the benefits it would have. We would get up to speed with info that scum already has, which strengthens town group knowledge considerably, while leaving scum with no (or only slightly) more info than before.

Scum has day talk. They can plan based on this info. We can't, because we don't HAVE this info. I'm just saying we should share the wealth.

[zakk]

Outting the faction powers is a fine idea because scum most likely have one in each to start and if they don't they can just move there to see what the power is

This is what I said in my factional topic, but Mewtaph was quick to point out that the mod topics say that the birth factions were *randomized* at first, which heavily implies that they might not have a mole in every single faction, yet, obviously, it's a very fair bet that they have moles in at least 3 or 4, probability-wise.

Though I find it odd that you agree with this, given your suspicions of me.

[zakk]

A lynch on rb would give us no information

I don't agree with this 100%. Like the idea of lynching for max "information" seems stupid to me. One should be trying to lynch scum not what wagon will/won't give them "information". RBs v/la ends tomorrow. I expect to start seeing things from him.

so how you know rb is scum? If you going lynch randomly, you should pick someone with associations to work with after flip, not someone with 0 posts

Completely agree with ram. Nero is just being dumb.

[zakk]

I feel like you're all playing checkers, and I'm playing chess.

[zakk]

I don't think momo is scum tbh.

What changed?

I'm genuinely listening.

[zakk]

“A chasm reminds us that there is a fine line between bravery and idiocy.”

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.16

[6] momo:

Not_Mafia, zakk, Srceenplay, PenguinPower, WhemeStar, rb,

[4] zakk:

Mewtaph, Radiant Moonlight, Nero Cain, Transcend,

[1] Not_Mafia:

momo,

[1] Elena Fisher:

Ircher,

[1] Radiant Moonlight:

BTD6_maker,

[1] Ramcius:

alban,

[1] Ircher:

Elena Fisher,

[1] rb:

Creature,

[1] Creature:

Ircher,

[1] alban:

Ramcius,

NOT VOTING:

shos, Keyser Söze, Aristophanes,

MOD NOTES:

momo is the leading wagon. rb is V/LA for the next 2 days. His V/LA will end in April 8. BTD6_maker is V/LA until April 14th. Radiant Moonlight is V/LA until monday.

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

.

All these people voting one-man wagons are basically being useless.

I'd rather you be on MY wagon than a useless one

[zakk]

Next, Zakk. Their first reason for voting was Momo's tunnel on Whemestar. This seems like a legitimate reason, although I will need to analyse the nature of this tunnel. I will come to this later.

They then called Momo out for the appeal to probability (rightfully so, as Momo's appeal was genuinely fallacious).

This is certainly better than Not Mafia.

They later start to preach the benefits of sharing factional powers (without doing it themselves - unless I missed something)

You may have missed this:

The reason I haven't revealed my own faction's ability yet is because I'm not a loose cannon or a dick. I have good ideas, but I still try to get majority consent first.

[zakk]

I like the size and speed of my wagon actually.

I'll be v/la tomorrow and possibly Monday tho.

[zakk]

VOTE: Momo

don't like Elena and Mew voting Zakk

Elena voting me is dumb

Mew has decent reasoning posted in Abnegation but he's wrong and I doubt it lasts much longer given my rebuttal

Why switch to momo instead of someone more interesting?

[zakk]

VOTE: Momo

don't like Elena and Mew voting Zakk

Whats wrong with Mew and why can't Elana be a bus?

Elena isn't a bus for obvious reasons, such as that I'm town and she probably is too, due to her pushing the serum reveal

Slightly less obvious reason being : why the fuck would we both push the same plan if we were both scum? Lol

You're either off your game this game, or playing dumb on purpose. I swear I haven't seen you this thick before

[zakk]

Why would they be bussing when there's like 5 other potential wagons to choose from

Also this

Dumbass

[zakk]

Will zakk try to defend himself or just stall the game?

Neither! Nothing to defend, and nothing to stall.

[zakk]

P-edit: i didn't said they not scums, i'm asking for biggest wagons, so if i can't see them as scums, i'm missing something that other people see

try reading his 243
then look at his later posts while he's being wagoned

Long posts are on a computer

Short posts are on my phone

(shrug)

[zakk]

P-edit: i didn't said they not scums, i'm asking for biggest wagons, so if i can't see them as scums, i'm missing something that other people see

try reading his 243
then look at his later posts while he's being wagoned

K I'm caught up

[zakk]

here i am, conveniently posting a prod-dodge. love and kisses ircher!!

[zakk]

jk, not a prod dodge.

[zakk]

Nero and Me

a short story by zakk

Good catch.

this is not a catch.

translation: "nuh uh"

I'll buy into RC's Zakk thing.

sheeping

creature. go look at my posts.

tbf, he's a claimed SK that was magically turned town...if you believe that. Not really something to sell.

fluff post. doesn't respond to my posts about creature, doesn't respond to ircher (who i was responding to) either. perpetuates fluff, and is fluff itself.

Zakk how does know each groups serums help you find scum at all?

non sequitur, obv didn't pay attention to my posts, or is ignoring them on purpose, and setting up a question designed to make me look bad.

keyser, Zakk, RB are my preferred lynches

k

town don't rolefish. You and Zakk fishing for the serum info is scummy as F.

disagree, but k.

Alban if lack of wagons bother you then blame these worthless sacks of shit.

BTD6_maker, Transcend, alban, Elena Fisher, rb, shos, Keyser Söze, Aristophane

Though TBF, I should prob move my vote to Zakk as I'm not really thrilled with the company on Momo.

throws a ton of shade at people, then prefaces his vote-switch to me, with a reason which has nothing to do with me.

vote: Zakk

k

We are not doing Ram. Both him and Alban need to get on the Zakk wagon or we could all just flashwagon Elana, who is PROB bussing Zakk anyways.

now he's pushing my lynch

key still doesn't give me good town vibes

but I mean in the scenario where the Zakk wagon stalls and we couldn't slam dunk Elana...I'd br somewhat ok with Momo lynch and ok with pling any of PenguinPower, Ari and maybe Shos.

now he's lining up lynches, in case he can't push my lynch

can someone make cases on momo and zakk?

the momo case is that he was pushing Wheme as scum then turned around and said that he was pushing Wheme as an RVS wagon and the ppl that actually felt he was scummy are the scum. So the question is, if Momo was just pushing an RVS wagon to get the game going why was he treating Wheme like scum? Was he just doing a good job selling it? Should we believe him?

I'm not sure about the Zakk "case". He just feels slimy and not town...so its gut for me.

i.e. there is no zakk case... just "gut"... yet he's pushing the wagon, lining up lynches, and wait, what happened about the pro-serum-reveal vs anti-serum-reveal?

such as that I'm town and she probably is too, due to her pushing the serum reveal

the serum reveal is such anti-town none sense. Like there's really no reason why that should have been a thought. I've come to the realization that I can't tell the difference between bad town and scum but any town read on Elana will have to be more than "lol serum reveal"

now tries to character assassinate me as "bad town" even if i'm not lynched, so that nobody will listen to me.

what's funny is this comes directly in reply to a post where i say he's being dumb on purpose.

in other words...

translation: "no u"

vote:zakk

yeah... i'm pretty much sold on nero-scum at this point.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nero Cain

[zakk]

Eh I feel like Nero is probably town

I liked his response to my "case" overall

I also like a creature lynch less than I might have earlier

I'd be down to swing Elena

I don't know why you don't like me, Titus. Stop not liking me.

Also I've become a bitter person since Street Fighter.
And that wasn't ad hom it was just... anger, I guess.

I don't really think screenplay is scum, what's the scoop there, @those who are voting him?

I have a hangover so expect annoyance today

[zakk]

UNVOTE:

[zakk]

I'm still salty about people not liking my serum plan

[zakk]

What is this whole shos thing

Lemme read.....

[zakk]

Oh. yeah, I wouldn't be sad to see him gone, at all

VOTE: shos

[zakk]

I toneread shos as town though </3

Then vote momo

Cause I ain't goin down today no sir

[zakk]

I toneread shos as town though </3

Oh nvm

VOTE: shos

Please stop flip-flopping every 25th post.

This.

Also.
shos is bad but momo is worse

VOTE: momo

[zakk]

@Wheme

Why are you voting me?

[zakk]

@ Nero:

shos is useless, but momo is actively bad

The response to pressure was terrible

The repeated "?????" and "??????????" doesn't read as town to me at all

Whereas your response to my half ass (tbh it really was) case on you was good and made me severely question my scum read on you (ask Abnegation homies) ... any pressure momo got made him flail and look even worse

[zakk]

Is alban dead yet? No?

*spanks collective town*

Naughty town!

Saucy.

[zakk]

Momo is counterwagon

Momo has been a wagon the whole time; longer than anyone else.

Anyone else was a counterwagon. Some were manufacturedly so (ask my faction-mates about this if you don't believe me).

I have a reasonably strong town read on at least two people in Abnegation thus far, and I like how the discussion is going on there.

More later, @ the dentist.

[zakk]

I mean... sure, spank him eventually if he doesn't shape up

But today is momo's day to shine ... er, swing

[zakk]

Momo is counterwagon

Momo has been a wagon the whole time; longer than anyone else.

Anyone else was a counterwagon. Some were manufacturedly so (ask my faction-mates about this if you don't believe me).

I have a reasonably strong town read on at least two people in Abnegation thus far, and I like how the discussion is going on there.

More later, @ the dentist.

Can we avoid semantics? Momo has been a wagon opposed to everything. I want to know why. I call it a counterwagon. Doesn't matter which is first.

Could scum be keeping him around? Sure. Not ruling it out. At this point, momo's flip gives a solid point for determining most of d1.

Geez I forgot you were a lawyer

I'll tell it straight then - momo is prolly the only person I'll lynch today

Also I don't appreciate you throwing shade on me
I'd say "your slot" but it's mostly you right?

[zakk]

I'm still salty about people not liking my serum plan

What is this whole shos thing

Lemme read.....

Oh. yeah, I wouldn't be sad to see him gone, at all

VOTE: shos

Yo wheme what's not to like about this

[zakk]

shos has been useless

shos is not usually so casually useless

Useless people can die

People who are uncharacteristically useless can die even more

Momo is scum btw. Why you think he's town?

[zakk]

Wheme you know how I'd react to that so it's a meaningless assertion now. I'll get to that later LUV.

Will tackle this game properly in 30 minutes ish

This oughta be rich

[zakk]

We have some ridiculously strong reasons based on neighbourhood to believe that Shos/Ari are scum together.

(We're not lynching outside of those two today. Anyone who is not voting one of them should vote one of them.)

As for everyone who doesn't think I'm scum: I'm willing to cash in a large portion of the reserved trust in my reads for this lynch. Aristo and Shos need dead.

your future fate will be decided based on this sentiment alone, i predict

i assume this is radiant due to the posting style.
titus has been pinging me as scum, but you have not (oddly)

i'll run w/this for now... but no matter the flip of the first (seems like ari) -- the reasons come out.

deal?

[zakk]

You don't bother because you don't have any reason at all, This "Oh I don't wanna share" is just an excuse.

rev up that chainsaw elena

[zakk]

I heavily scumread Mewtaph and them defending Aristo just locks me into that gameview.

nah i like mewtaph

[zakk]

ME RC KING OF JUNGLE. ME NO CASE

hahahahahahahahahahaha

[zakk]

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=69588

so, now you try discredit me with my meta in newbie game that was godawful? And you didn't answered my second question

ok ram is town

[zakk]

...1-shot bodyguard lol

that's not a stretch at all with our 1-shot shared factional powers

i expect all power roles to be weak

this kind of post makes you look really bad

[zakk]

Aris is town can we get off that thanks

btw worth saying our PT has 5 posts in it so I do think there are some scum in it but I don't see the need to claim 1 shot bg as scum when you can fish plus wagon speed

agree with this post

[zakk]

i just read page 70

what the fuck is this thread

rc lost tons of town points

[zakk]

> joined Candor to be with Radiant Moonlight & Nero Cain
> they both leave overnight
> mfw

FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU

Also, the mod forgot to give me access to the Candor topic so I haven't been in there just yet and can claim nothing

Disappointed I wasn't copped tho tbh, interested to know why RM switched it, especially as Titus was the one who suspected me right?

[zakk]

rb we will have to make do I guess

I don't really town read you or shos tho

[zakk]

I did PM the mod already

[zakk]

Not mafia kill is weird. Probably hunting for a power role since he wasn't as active as most

It's funny because I thought he was the scum if abnegation had one. I actually almost slipped that out a couple of times but didn't want to get killed myself, so I said rather more nebulous things like "I town read at least two of you"

And for the record I still town read both ircher and Mewtaph

[zakk]

I wanna read the Candor pt before i vote

[zakk]

BIRTH FACTIONS	CHOSEN FACTIONS
DAUNTLESS Ramcius Transcend Keyser Söze Lil Uzi Vert	DAUNTLESS Ramcius Transcend Keyser Söze Lil Uzi Vert
ABNEGATION zakk Not_Mafia Ircher Mewtaph	ABNEGATION Creature Ircher Mewtaph
CANDOR Nero Cain Radiant Moonlight rb shos	CANDOR zakk rb shos
ERUDITE alban momo WhemeStar Creature	ERUDITE alban momo WhemeStar Nero Cain
AMITY Aristophanes Elena Fisher Srceenplay BTD6_maker	AMITY Radiant Moonlight Elena Fisher Srceenplay BTD6_maker

I'm on the phone so I can't, but if somebody could make a diagram of this so that we could see who joined what factions and see if there's any kind of pattern, that would be great

Also, creature, why did you join abnegation?

[zakk]

Oh only me, creature, Nero Cain, and radiant moved ... hmmmm

[zakk]

Why Creature out of all those do you question?

Because I thought creature thought I was scum and why would he want to be in my topic / how would he know there would be room? (Not_mafia was killed)

2 reasons

[zakk]

I think moving is more personality indictive.

I think that maybe true I'm just mad I was kind of shafted because I joined specifically for the other two people that moved. Lol

[zakk]

I joined Abnegation because Ircher requested.

You don't find that suspicious at all?

I don't. Not from ircher anyway

[zakk]

I got private topic access to Candor. 22 pages fml

[zakk]

I'm not lynching any dauntless members aside from guilties for 3 days.

We discussed following screenplay long before the night even began.

Scum had plenty of time to dodge that guilty.

That is hella good actually

And now I see why you don't want to lynch them for three days

[zakk]

Not sure about Nero Cain, but my moving to Abnegation is justified.

So, update your reads please and lmk where you stand

[zakk]

Creature why did you suggest that no one switches and then you switched

Because ircher said to

[zakk]

Mod announcement: I missed Alban's choices in Choosing Ceremony. He'll be joining the Candor Faction.

Yee

[zakk]

Mod announcement: I missed Alban's choices in Choosing Ceremony. He'll be joining the Candor Faction.

> joined Candor to be with Radiant Moonlight & Nero Cain
> they both leave overnight
> mfw

FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU

Also, the mod forgot to give me access to the Candor topic so I haven't been in there just yet and can claim nothing

Disappointed I wasn't copped tho tbh, interested to know why RM switched it, especially as Titus was the one who suspected me right?

I'll let RM answer this for him but I suspected you and wanted to sort you bc I like working with you but rc was all shos obvscum...

OK cool but

I'm reading through the Candor PT and on page 11ish it says that RC has a hard town read on me specifically that he sincerely believes I am town but can't convince you

Why would you change the factional cop from me to someone else if you thought I was scum

[zakk]

Wait what the fuuuuck

Now I don't even get RB?? Uggghhhhhhh

[zakk]

Slightly mod error guys, I'm so sorry. rb will be transferred to Erudite. It doesn't break the game. He'll just be transferred to Erudite. Thank you! I hope I don't break the game.

It has already affected the game since I have said some things that RB wouldn't have otherwise seen

I doubt it will break the game tho

[zakk]

Wait what the fuuuuck

Now I don't even get RB?? Uggghhhhhhh

READ SHOS' 444

Wasn't impressed with the reasoning esp with RM and Nero leaving

Maybe we can continue that train of thought at a later time. I.e. D3, after more flips

[zakk]

Wait what the fuuuuck

Now I don't even get RB?? Uggghhhhhhh

READ SHOS' 444

could you share with everyone what so important about that post?

It's just a theory about someone's alignment predicated on whether certain members stated in Candor, which they did not. Maybe salvageable later, rather useless right now

Even more useless since he left Candor anyway

the only option is redirector

i doubt that's what happened

or do i

this poses a real issue

it's possible

1. How could you redirect an entire faction?

2. How would you KNOW to redirect that faction, unless you were in it? They didn't reveal their power before using it.

[zakk]

could be a framer, framing screenplay because they knew the target in advance

again, still have to lynch screenplay to find out

This was my next thought

There is also a bus driver

[zakk]

everything ends in the lynch of screenplay, but we should also realise this is potentially a bastardasfuck game and take at least like 72 hours to let all the town slots read and catchup

Well in that case we have to account for a death Miller as well

*groan*

[zakk]

If you flip town then there's assuredly scum in my group.

^ this, but we still gotta lynch you

sorry if you're town, feelsbadman

if you're scum, feelsgoodman

Exactly this. Both of these

[zakk]

No, it's not bastard.

K nvm

[zakk]

Srceen is scum.

Let's not let this make anyone forget about Mewtaph who is basically flipped scum as well though

Why

Also, why did you leave

[zakk]

Unaware Death Miller counts as bastard.

What's your gut read on Mew

Answer quick. No reading.

[zakk]

VOTE: Screenplay btw

[zakk]

Felt town.

Interesting

[zakk]

Weren't you scum reading Mo, Screen? Why did you opt to check Wheme over him?

Because wheme was hard defending him. Checking I thought could possibly be clearing two people.

Wheme was actually pushing Mo fairly hard until he had that odd 180 during the end of the day so I guess this sort of checks out. I still think you had a stronger scum read on Mo though since you actually cased him if I'm recalling correctly. Checking him would've been more beneficial in my opinion, since he was a wagon for basically the whole day.

Regardless, you still have to be lynched. What are your final reads?

What would these wheme results tell you about me?

Also let's keep in mind that the mafia Neapolitan is basically a vanilla cop
Unless it's multi-ball of course

[zakk]

Like if screenplay stupidly flips town then it's pretty cut n dry someone on my team is scum that set this shit up

If that were true, who do you think it would be?

[zakk]

i will share little more of our faction discussion - Ari was possible check too that i brought like 5 days before deadline, no one was against this check too, so that makes me feel like we have no mafia in our hood,

again, could be a bus driver or something

you could just bus drive the target w/someone who was town, if the target was scum
you could just bus drive the target w/someone who was scum, if the target was town

anyway, its moot until we see the flip

i don't think there's anything more to be said today, unless there's something we are missing.

i would like to give everyone a chance to weigh in, but then after that there's no real sense continuing with discussion long after, unless we want to artificially draw things out
which i don't want to do

[zakk]

Can you guys not

[zakk]

He's probably scum neap btw

He has an investigating power

interesting.

I think this suggests screenplay is town.

Someone in the faction was scum, and scum probably have a framer.

So what are we gonna do?

probably start unvoting screenplay, I think.

Considering what happened in Candor last night, I think our lynch today should be between Nero Cain and RM.

Zakk and Alban can read up and comment. I'm sure rb will agree. dunno what about all the rest of you.

Bruh. No.

Why are you pushing for somebody else today.

Occams Razor man.

[zakk]

Zakk, we are going to stay put. Join us?

Join you where?

I already tried to join you but your bitch ass moved

[zakk]

Bitch asses*

[zakk]

hard scumread shos right now.

When screenplay flips scum, we lynch shos.

Any objections????

Eh I have played with shos and he's usually pretty dumb regardless of alignment tho

I think he's just a bad player. No offense shos

[zakk]

I object

Scum are more likely to bus than protect conf scum

Also this

[zakk]

Gah I am so salty at switching to be wth RadiantCowbells Titus Nero Cain and rb, yet getting only alban and shos

Like what the fuckkkkk

*silent rage*

[zakk]

VOTE: Screenplay

Umm we have someone claiming a guilty. I will believe it.

You want a confrontation, I will give you one. We have an entire faction with a guilty result on you. The best bet for town is to lynch

This is L-2. Someone lynch this. Honestley, I am normally opposed to quickhamers but there is a guilty result I have no reason to doubt.

Confrontation my ass. You had people multiple times try to engage with you D1 and then disappeared. Then you come back when the discussion is not about you anymore.

If you're honestly not scum then who do you think we should lynch

What do you think about your son calling for your head

Do you lie to him IRL?

[zakk]

Zakk, we are going to stay put. Join us?

Join you where?

I already tried to join you but your bitch ass moved

The hood where we are no. No move.

Are you fucking high

[zakk]

Zakk, we are going to stay put. Join us?

Join you where?

I already tried to join you but your bitch ass moved

The hood where we are no. No move.

Are you fucking high

Sleepy. We stay put. You join. Tell me stories.

You act like I can switch factions every night

[zakk]

Zakk, we are going to stay put. Join us?

Join you where?

I already tried to join you but your bitch ass moved

The hood where we are no. No move.

Are you fucking high

Sleepy. We stay put. You join. Tell me stories.

VOTE: Screenplay

Umm we have someone claiming a guilty. I will believe it.

You want a confrontation, I will give you one. We have an entire faction with a guilty result on you. The best bet for town is to lynch

This is L-2. Someone lynch this. Honestley, I am normally opposed to quickhamers but there is a guilty result I have no reason to doubt.

Confrontation my ass. You had people multiple times try to engage with you D1 and then disappeared. Then you come back when the discussion is not about you anymore.

If you're honestly not scum then who do you think we should lynch

What do you think about your son calling for your head

Do you lie to him IRL?

You were one I was scum reading.

If my son is apart of my mis lynch I will have to ground him and then we would be down one more player this game.

LMAO

[zakk]

Gdi quote glitch

[zakk]

RM being a nightkill is not surprising. I agree with whoever said he was probably a target N1 too, but was protected.

However with that said the two kills could have been caused by a vig instead of multiball/SK (though I think SK is most likely), because if RM was protected N1, it wasn't by Abnegation (we had a shared protect, which we did not use) so it's possible there is a full protection role as well as us having the serum, so then it would be possible that there is a vigilante, regardless of vig serum.

Ircher would be lying in this case, because if radiant moonlight was a kill target, then screenplay would have died instead. We can't know for sure though; that is speculation.

Can confirm shos is conftown via mod in our topic. He was the Candor target N1 (thanks to RM, Titus specifically).

[zakk]

Oh wait, disregard, my bad, we had a roleblock serum in abnegation, not a protect. Brain fart.

I don't suppose this means a vigilante is less likely, but I'm still putting my eggs on an SK -or- a single use power. Future death counts will tell us one way or the other pretty definitively, as will the targets.

[zakk]

VOTE: ircher

I trust shos' results. He's been very clear about how screenplay was a role cop result, and ircher was a full cop result.

[zakk]

Ircher you sly fox. Re-reading you I saw I missed a question about how I knew there was a bus driver. I don't know, I was just naming roles which could possibly cause an erroneous result on screenplay... but if you are a scum bus driver, it seems like you're trying to incriminate me for knowing what you are, even if that wasn't what happened to screenplay...

And I really wish I could still read Abnegation topic rn... Mewtaph, care to share his thoughts on others since I've been gone?

[zakk]

Wouldn't that be completely counter-productive to his win on if he were an SK though?

And anyway, how would you know there was an SK until it flipped?

i.e. Bad post all around, just meant to throw shade on Keyser Soze.

You've supposedly thought he was scum since post #424 ... so is this a) confbias? b) deliberately throwing circumstantial shade?

You choose.

[zakk]

Wincon*

[zakk]

Actually, looking at the vote counts, you have spent more time voting confirmed town (not even incl. me!) then you have voting Keyser.

Soooooooooooooo

[zakk]

VOTE: Ari

scum.

Only this post and a few others are stopping me from outright thinking you are scum again

[zakk]

I still think at least one of you two is scum.

[zakk]

No, it's just stupid to say that an SK would suggest the existence of an SK, especially before there was an extra kill. That'd be a huge scumslip which I hiiiiiighly doubt an SK would make

[zakk]

[Set-up spec: there could be up to 5 scum in this set-up. Unless it's 4 groupscum + 1 Serial Killer.]

I did not take it as serious roleclaim (in theory, now a town-day vig?).
Have you ever seen a SK change alignment during the day-phase/night-phase?

I did not take it as serious roleclaim (in theory, now a town-day vig?).
Have you ever seen a SK change alignment during the day-phase/night-phase?

*town night-vig

This is what keyser said.

[zakk]

That was looong before the end of D1, perfectly reasonable setup spec, and you're painting it badly because he mentions the possibility of a serial killer as an alternative to 5 group scum.

Two questions:
-Is that *not* reasonable speculation?
-Is it *more* or *less* likely that an actual SK would make this speculation?

[zakk]

[Set-up spec: there could be up to 5 scum in this set-up. Unless it's 4 groupscum + 1 Serial Killer.]

That's what I said in the Abnegation topic as well... 21 person games usually just have five groupscum ime. I didn't really consider a serial killer at the time... it's quite possible but I think it would be more likely there are five factions and five scum though. One scum per faction just seems toooo neatly organized to pass up, from a setup design / balance perspective (at least if it were me). Either way the # of kills per night will be telling about an SK (or vig) but as for the rest of it, I think one large group faction makes sense both balance-wise and flavor-wise, compared to multiple smaller groups.

I remember Keyser's post because I responded to it. Here is my post again and I stand by it.

I think 14-5-1 is stacked against town a little much.
But the 15-4-1 could be possible, or maybe it is 15-5, with a vig (or 1-shot vig) to account for an extra kill last night. Also a factional vig serum could up the kill count on one night.

Speaking of which: What serums have been used so far?

[zakk]

Some thoughts right off the bat:

BTD6 and Creature are alone in their faction, while Erudite is still totally full. What could this mean?

I will say that vigging Mewtaph was a stupid idea. He seemed quite town to me, and there were many better targets. I think there is at least 1 scum in there.

Also, due to how Screenplay died, this also strongly points to there NOT being scum among Lil Uzi Vert, Keyser, and Ramcius.

shos is confirmed town. Sooooo, why wasn't he a kill target last night, ESPECIALLY after giving cop results on Ircher which led to a scum lynch? If you are a doctor, and you have let your faction know you were protecting shos, you may have scum in your faction because clearly they knew to avoid that kill last night.

alban being mostly silent in the PT and still not having "read up" on it, or commented much to me and shos about anything important, but then coming in here and saying "XYZ is scum", is very scummy. I wouldn't be sad at all to see him die today.

[zakk]

Oh also, creature joined Abnegation "because ircher asked him to"... he would hardly need to do that if they were scum buddies and could already talk. Unless this is total WIFOM territory, I'd (grudgingly) say he's probably town for it.

[zakk]

It's between Ramcius, wheme and rb for today's lynch.

No, no, and no.

we are not ending the day in a hurry.

Agreed.

today we should get reads on all the lurkers/hard to reads my faction came up with.

Agreed.

[zakk]

Should the (town) vig roleclaim now or later?

rb said that the vig was factional. Erudite.

[zakk]

I have been playing a balancing game of

'not-wanting-too-much-towncred'

and

'I-don't-want-to-be-lynched'

so your suspicion is rational.

As we are now down to the last two scum [1xMAFIA + 1xSERIAL KILLER (?)] I will now be increasing my activity.

Exact same for me.

[zakk]

Wait Keyser how do you know there's only one groupscum left?

[zakk]

I have reasons to believe neither zakk nor wheme nor nero cain are scum. These arent solid right now.

Actually they very well may be SKs if there is one. They arent groupscum though, I think

This is a good point. Alban has been playing very SK-like.

VOTE: alban L-4

[zakk]

and everyone else should too, there's enough content that we can re-read the game to find scum, not agonise over wifom

This. Somebody do a votecount analysis, or I can later

[zakk]

Should the (town) vig roleclaim now or later?

rb said that the vig was factional. Erudite.

we still have 2nd kill from N2, so it's very likely vig, mafia having BP inclines in vig too, if we consider that serums ignore role abilities as confirmed by mod

Ohhh yeahhh. Good point. Though that could imply SK too and we just have missing kills due to protects/jails.

[zakk]

I haven't used my faction serum.

Hang on to that until you know you need it.

I already revealed it to my faction which at the time included rb.

Actually maybe I said it in here, too.

[zakk]

We've had 5 kills on 3 nights which means aside from factional vig there could be a role vig out there (prob 1-shot if at all)

We will have VERY good reason to believe there is an SK if:
-nobody claims vig (which tbh they shouldn't if they are)
-two kills per night keep happening

There could/would have been 3 deaths on one of the nights (or two on the first night) barring any successful protects/jails/blocks/etc. so it's safe to say any vig is probably 1 shot (in which case he should probably still not claim, tbh)

[zakk]

Bottom line:

1. no sense speculating further today when we will know much more tomorrow.
2. we should continue to scum hunt as normal.


Also, the 4-16 with a powerful 4 scum is a good idea but if it was me designing the setup I'd still put 5 group scum and just nerf it, like make it a goon or traitor or something, which is entirely possible.

[zakk]

I wouldn't claim to be honest, just makes scum job easier.

This

[zakk]

Only 3 group scum just seems unlikely due to balance.

I want to wait at least another night before speculating about an SK. There really shouldn't be one due to flavor.

i agree because jeanine is so hot, everyone wanna be her or kill her

[zakk]

VOTE: zakk

Why

[zakk]

Shos, Zak, despicable. Despite what I said in the Candor thread.

Leave me some room to claim if it gets close to L.

Could you briefly explain rb real quick?

Shos, Zak, despicable. Despite what I said in the Candor thread.

Leave me some room to claim if it gets close to L.

It's more of what you DIDNT say

And still HAVENT said

[zakk]

Why can't you be bothered to interact with the people in the factional topic that you CHOSE to move to, then

[zakk]

Talking to alban

[zakk]

Shos, Zak, despicable. Despite what I said in the Candor thread.

Leave me some room to claim if it gets close to L.

Could you briefly explain rb real quick?

Shos, Zak, despicable. Despite what I said in the Candor thread.

Leave me some room to claim if it gets close to L.

It's more of what you DIDNT say

And still HAVENT said

So, am I a PL? Wonderful.

No, why are you being all coy and trolly if you're town? I really bad want a perfect win. You're not helping.

[zakk]

I mean you basically just said you're not going to help unless you're at L-1

[zakk]

Why can't you be bothered to interact with the people in the factional topic that you CHOSE to move to, then

I moved to candor only coz of rb. I wanted to sort him coz he was one of the ppl i was suspecting on D1. Since he moved out, I didn't see any point in interacting with you two.

um

what the fuck

i moved there solely because of Radiant Moonlight and Nero Cain, and they BOTH left.
I got rb and shos instead, so i decided to talk with them anyway. It was not bad at all.

Then rb got switched out for you, and you've been fucking useless.


yeah no that shit ain't gonna fly

[zakk]

I mean you basically just said you're not going to help unless you're at L-1

You want me to claim? Why? What if I am an important power role?

i want you to talk in the fucking factional topic. obviously.

and yes, i want you to claim in our factional topic. full claim.

if you had talked about some important power role in our factional topic, then we'd have known not to lynch you, and we'd not have said we thought you were scum in the first place, or if you'd have told us after we voted you, we'd have unvoted you in here without anyone in here knowing anything else.

but no. you've been antagonistic the entire time.

this is only my second time playing with you -- the other time, you flaked out of the game.

this game's not looking very different.

[zakk]

in fact, i have questions in the factional topic waiting for you, unanswered.

why the hell are you talking in here but not in there?

literally the reason you're being wagoned right now is because shos and i don't trust you at all because of how you HAVE been in the topic when you've at least decided to post useless one-liners every few days.

post 1: thanking the mod
post 2: asking if we townread a flipped townie
post 3: making excuses for not having done anything
post 4: two-word fluff post
post 5: telling us you're not scum, but you haven't read anything, and telling us erudite has a vigging power
post 6: WIFOM city

[zakk]

So what is it, is it a PL or am I a scum? Coz this is confusing. Either I must be pathetic at being a scum who doesn't read your 95 pages of one liners and declares that openly. Or I must be a careless townie. In which case it's a PL.
Should I claim? Unless someone wishes to unvote.

clearly you're either clueless or being willfully dense orrrrr just scum

either way, not somebody i want around on later days, whether i make it there or not

[zakk]

This is night for me, so I wouldn't want to take chances of getting killed in sleep.

Unless someone is completely against it, I would claim in 30 minutes. Giving you more time to reconsider your votes.

this was 75 minutes ago, yet still hasn't happened.

you haven't even claimed in our private topic.

[zakk]

either this is scum rolling over and playing dead...


or this is the worst townie of ALL TIME (kanye voice)




i'm guessing it's the former, but i haven't seen any other games of his except the one i mentioned earlier where he flaked before the game started

anyone else got meta on alban?

[zakk]

oh shit he is talking in the PT

i'll be back later w/updated read on him perhaps

[zakk]

My behaviour in Candor need not follow how you behaved or how you want me to behave.

Fair point... but... you're the one being wagoned due to your failure to comply with expectation, and since there's an element of goodwill to mafia where people on the same team try to work together in order to win the game, your point is moot.

I did not antagonise you ever. In this game or the other one. You are the one slurring, swearing and shading. You are hyperventilating right now coz I am not behaving in a manner you expect me to.

Fair point... but... It's my job to make you do things that are alignment indicative, and your appearance so far has been that you wish to avoid doing alignment indicative things, therefore I am stepping outside the bounds of my normal behavior in order to force you to do something alignment indicative, and since I'm only doing it for that reason, your point is moot.

I thought since it's day for most of you, someone apart from you would have some thoughts on me claiming. I am witholding my claim till I hear from other people. If that's scummy to you, you are entitled to an opinion. You have already voted for me. So now really, let me hear what others have to say.

Fair point... but... as long as you talk to me in the private faction topic, I don't really care what you say here, so that point's moot as well And you're damn right I'm entitled to an opinion.

[zakk]

Okay I hard SR alban now.

VOTE: alban

L-1

smh

UNVOTE: alban

[zakk]

Hey zakk, what do you think about LUV?

I have him on my town list.

[zakk]

i tried look in Trans ISO for reasons to nk him, but i'm really puzzled - he did nothing noteworthy in D2/D3 and D1 was just bunch of random votes and TR people

on other hand, BTD have only 7 posts, he pushed RM, then alban, tried defend Ari against Trans (!), missed D2 completely, only D3 post was putting Ircher at l-2 and promising look Ari wagon

VOTE: BTD

This is good too.

VOTE: BTD

[zakk]

VOTE: Luv

sheep me to victory

What's the reasoning for this vote?

[zakk]

Welp, I guess I just missed page 100 pagetop ....... jk

NOBODY CARES MOMO

[zakk]

aristophanes died D1 and had 60 posts

BTD6 has 7 posts by Day4

can we just get BTD6 force replaced, this is dumb

@mod: I understand finding replacements is hard but with a setup as great as this, someone must want to join. I really think BTD should be force replaced.

Agree.

UNVOTE: BTD

[zakk]

i have gut feeling uzi is scum but not prepared to vote yet

Why

I don't see it

Both you and Nero Cain are saying it tho

Explain pls

[zakk]

i also have gut feeling ur scum, so how about u do something and then explain it instead of being a lurksack

thx

how am i lurking

kill this scumfuck, his ISO is literally nauseating

read it, udnerstand this

then vote

you totally lost me

I'm saying it in a past tense way to show that I read Alban as town just like I did Momo and he turned out to be town

how did momo "turn out to be town" when he hasn't flipped yet?

Why can't it be that I'm attempting to work and understand what confirmed town is thinking?

even if he's confirmed town that doesn't mean his reads are better than anyone else. Hello appeal to authority.

town points for nero, scum points for LUV

rb
Keyser Söze
Lil Uzi Vert
BTD6_maker
Creature
^
is literally the POE list.

I am town reading all of

alban
momo
Ramcius.

assuming that I'm right about those 3. then


zakk
alban
momo
Nero Cain
Ramcius
WhemeStar
shos

so we can just lynch those from the POE list.

shos is confirmed town

and i refuse to lynch alban today

I have come to the decision that BTD6_maker needs to be force-replaced due to lack of activity. He also shows no signs of interest in this game. This is a final decision from your mod.

*golf clap*

replace me out, done with mafia for a while

i.... see you lost yourself as well there along the way...

VOTE: zakk

since BTD being replaced i try this, i didn't liked his attempts to learn serums D1,

especially trying know ours.

At this point i have good reason to believe we had no mafia in our hood - Amity had 2, and Srceen wasn't warned for our use on him

i stand by the fact that town being able to plan around putting the most townie people in the threads with the most townie powers would have been pro-town. nobody was willing to coordinate it, and it ended up being a losing battle even trying to convince everyone so i just gave it up, especially since one of my scum reads (elena fisher) was also pushing the same plan and i began to not trust that it would be the best idea myself due to the large outcry. anyway, fast forward a bit, and surprise surprise elena ended up being town. you're making it sound like i had this diabolical scum plan to be able to control all the powers as scum, even though i actually moved factions from a faction that i KNEW wasn't using their power that night, to a faction that i could VERY REASONABLY ASSUME (re: RC / Titus / Nero Cain / rb) would use their power at the earliest opportunity (they did), just for the sake of talking to more people and getting better reads, thus GUARANTEEING that i had no power to influence ANY factional powers whatsoever in the game? it just makes no sense. if i were trying to control powers, i.e. if i was scum, i would be doing the opposite; voting for my faction's power, THEN leaving, esp. to a group that I thought might not use their power right away. so your argument is completely backwards.

and anyway, all the people i wanted to join that topic to talk to, ended up in other topics anyway. all i got was shos, and then alban joined later due to mod error. so yea i kinda got reallllly boned. (except, in the end, i didn't actually get boned too bad because shos is doing a lot better than i thought he'd be this game).

also, as for the bolded in your post, 1) how could i have known there was a vig power other than my own powers of assumption, 2) why is your power different than any other shared power, aside from the fact that it can kill someone, as opposed to block, protect, jail, cop, rolecop, etc., them?

and i hate to point out (not really tho; wtf man), you guys shot a townie. maybe it was a scummy townie, but it was a townie nonetheless, and one that i had a strong town read on due to my time in abnegation with him... not saying it's the end of the world that mewtaph is dead, but how could it have been worse if we would have at least tried to let people vote on who voted on controlling the kill? we've all collectively lynched 3 scum in a row, i find it hard to believe we'd screw it up THAT badly.

[zakk]

VOTE: zakk

since BTD being replaced i try this, i didn't liked his attempts to learn serums D1, especially trying know ours. At this point i have good reason to believe we had no mafia in our hood - Amity had 2, and Srceen wasn't warned for our use on him

just want to point out:

they also had a bus driver though. maybe they something along the lines of bus driving him with someone (ircher was a bus driver), but it didn't work for some reason. i know there is at least one roleblock power in the game, also, didn't Radiant Moonlight say he was ascetic? you can speculate a lot on this.

i do tend to agree with you though. i have thought this ever since the screenplay flip, and it takes a little bit of mental acrobatics (or a really good gambit on someone's part, which i would say is an equally long shot, but we can't rule out either) to place scum in that faction in any fashion.

i also think this is the most likely reason transcend died; scum has lost 3-- and panicked and was trying to break up what they KNOW is a town block, which can communicate in a place they (scum) can't read.

tl;dr:

i mostly agree, but here are some ways where you could be wrong.

[zakk]

this game became hard

should we massclaim?

naw

No need. We're so far ahead right now.

agree. no massclaim rn. definitely not needed for at least another 2-3 gamedays

[zakk]

I hate when we have lot of scum candidates yet so low chance to hit scum, this game will like drag for days, I'm wishing LUV were scum but it's hard to find scum on spot, idk what right now, I just hope we don't lynch someone we could've easily guessed it was town.

LUV's posts feel kinda scummy i guess, but that's very subjective, and objectively i think he's more likely town due to:

a) the screenplay cop
b) the screenplay lynch
c) the transcend kill (explained earlier in my post to ramcius)

[zakk]

i see how LUV or Keyser can be mafia despite Srceen guilty by faction ability, but question is: does mafia takes gamble to swap their killing member with RM N1 instead of making someone else to do kill and having Srceen as conf investigative role and pretty much lynch immune for quite a while? Assuming Ircher said true about swapping RM and Srceen N1. That's quite a bit of WIFOM, so i prefer not lynch them now, cause we have better candidates.

My reads:
conf town

momo - would mafia let him be leading wagon trough all D1, if he was one of them?
Wheme - shos vanilla result kinda confirms Srceen claim Wheme is VT
shos - obv reasons, hope you didn't hardbussed Ircher

town lean:
LUV - reasons stated above
Keyser - same
Nero - i find him really towny
alban - i liked his reaction to my vote D1, inactivity is annoying, but that's NAI

lynch candidates:
zakk - stated earlier with my vote
rb - i didn't liked his playstyle trough this game, he was scumlean since D1, holding till replacement
BTD - stated earlier with vote, holding on this slot till replacememnt comes in
creature - didn't liked that "swapped faction, cause Ircher asked", had scumlean trough game

wait i gotta re-read ircher, i missed that he said they tried to swap radiant for screenplay, that changes everything.

because RM claimed ascetic, and that could mean that they DO have a mole in your topic, it just didn't work out, their plan to save screenplay, because RM was ascetic and the busdrive didn't go through.

[zakk]

I claim compulsive bus driver.

I targeted RM and Srceen N1 and Creature and Momo N2.

okay i totally missed this post. this makes so much more clear now.

there's absolutely NO reason to target screenplay unless you KNEW he'd be a target, and since after RM pushing through the D1 lynch they thought they could kill two birds with one stone by hoping everyone copping / rolecopping RM would get a "scum" or "neapolitan" result from screenplay, it makes perfect sense to try to set up RM as having bussed Aris D1 for massive town cred. This also makes sense as to why they didn't kill him N1 and waited until N2.

ALSO. i think the only reason he claimed this (thereby revealing the probability of a is because he knew if anyone else had targeted him for more info (which he may have thought was likely) that he didn't want to get caught fakeclaiming, because a claim is supposed to save you, not damn you... and also, in every good lie there is a bit of truth, etc. so yeah he probably just inadvertently straight up ADMITTED there's a mole in the faction

so yea in my mind there is basically GUARANTEED a mole inside of Dauntless now.

@everyone: read this post

[zakk]

lol that's sad.

sad, cause you on my lynch list or sad, cause i don't want lynch LUV?

you should want to, after that post i just made.

unless you think Keyser is scum.

[zakk]

question is: does mafia takes gamble to swap their killing member with RM N1 instead of making someone else to do kill and having Srceen as conf investigative role and pretty much lynch immune for quite a while? Assuming Ircher said true about swapping RM and Srceen N1. That's quite a bit of WIFOM, so i prefer not lynch them now, cause we have better candidates.

Interesting: yes, why doesn't mafia-LUV/mafia-Ramcius tell their mafia teammate (Srceenplay) to only use their investigation power N1, and to NOT carry out the factional NK too?

Our faction FOLLOWER investigation result would have been:

'The Dauntless Faction followed Srceenplay. Srceenplay's action was investigate'.

We'd basically have left him alone for the rest of the game until LYLO (that would have been optimal mafia-play, instead of needlessly bussing him).

These are more reasons to doubt the presence of 'mafia' scum in the The Dauntless Faction.

So, what is this?:

A) bad scum-play
B) extreme WIFOM-play

Neither for me. I go for the easy reason:

C) both likely not mafia

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhyea. this post would be amazing except for one thing: they had a bus driver.

but if they DID use the busdriver on him, they could have expected none of this to happen. and then they got royally fucked.

[zakk]

Before reading 100 pages (cough unlikely cough), is there anything I need to know that's already been put out there?

cliff notes:
aristophanes was lynched d1 (scum)
dauntless turned tracker results on screenplay performing a kill N1, so he was lynched d2 (scum)
shos turned cop results on ircher d3, so he was lynched (scum)
shos is conf-town via mod in the candor private topic, seen by Nero Cain, rb (and should be you too now), Radiant Moonlight, me, and alban (and also shos lol)

[zakk]

And is zakk scum?




Would like this answer before I go read him.

no dude. lol

[zakk]

could be a framer, framing screenplay because they knew the target in advance

again, still have to lynch screenplay to find out

This was my next thought

There is also a bus driver

looking Ircher ISO i found him pointing at this zakk words, considering Ircher flipped mafia bus driver it's interesting thing to say

poor choice of words on my part. i was going over the list of possible roles that could have caused an improper result on screenplay, as he claimed. literally what i meant was "another role which could also affect this is a bus driver" but i was posting super stream of consciousness, and was probably on my phone anyway so. i have no good excuse. lol. obviously i didn't know there was a bus driver.

however, in my favor, ircher also pointed this out, in a veiled attempt to make me look scummy (or that i had setup knowledge i shouldn't):

2071 by Zakk --> Knows there's a busdriver -->

How do you know there's a bus driver?

and he wouldn't have done that if i was his scum buddy unless he was planning to bus me later (no pun intended, considering his role. lmao)

[zakk]

RE: Ircher-zakk

Was there a reason why Ircher kept flipping his read on zakk?

actually, yeah.

creature should be able to confirm

as he's in abnegation now:

i asked everyone in there to help make my wagon bigger so we could see who hopped on.
i'm a little hazy on the details now but basically, i told them all they should vote for me, or at least express suspicion of me

come back to it now, and it makes the "how did you know there's a bus driver zakk?" comment from ircher look even more like he's not scum with me, because that'd DEFINITELY not be something a scumbuddy would rat another one out for.

actually this probably entirely clears me, at least in my mind.

[zakk]

I dont underatand those wanting to lynch keyser. His posts make me feel good. Am I just a sucker for cpntent? Please explain.


Also alban posted in Candor. We should keep him alive for now, I guess.

Can you summarize what he's recently posted in there?

no.

stop fishing.

shos

, say nothing.

[zakk]

uh, what? basic scumhunting should make you want to read it......+++

if i was in a private topic that had posts by flipped scum, you bet your yogi bear ass i would be reading his private interactions with everyone else to find out if it was a charade or if they were really trying to convince each other of things / work together to figure out things / just not give themselves away

.........

[zakk]

Yeah, Ircher likely changed his view on zakk.

he was scum. he knew i was town. how could he change his view on me?

[zakk]

but ... he did flip scum. so what does that do for your read on me?

also, did you ever answer my question about why do you think ircher wanted YOU specifically to come to abnegation? (did i even ask it?)

[zakk]

This where's tar fellow is clearly town tho. Why is this a wagon?

I would nuke AMITY because it's composed of null and meh players.

Ouch!
We have feelings you know!

Hello, Aristophanes.

Your vote is still in RVS

. Are you trying to sort players in your faction PT?


You have offered two (town?) reads so far (two defences).

On momo:

Because I've never not scumread him, which gives me pause when a wagon on him grown like this!

And WhemeStar:

This whemestar fellow is clearly town tho. Why is this a wagon?

What are your actual thoughts on the arguments used against them? (Your thoughts on them concern only the speed/size of the wagon on them).

Hey Keyser! It's been a while!

Momo is a tough read and I legit always scumread them. Momo was more a moment of pause, but the more i read the morning ei think they may be scum.

Where is still likely to be town, and I've liked what they have posted thus far. Of course, a further analysis of both slots is required, but this is what I have atm.

Spoiler: Longass Keyser Post

Investigation file: momo

BTW, I started the wagon on Wheme as an rvs push. Why did people commit to it so hard??? I will be trying to find scum on that wagon??

My gut-read of this is still negative. The tone feels off. [Something petty: I didn't like his continuous use of multiple/excessive question marks ("??"), but he used them as town in our last game together, so less annoyed with them now]

Also, Not seems very flip floppy, trying to please everyone. First he followed me on wheme and the followed wheme on me. Looks like he wants to please everyone so that he is not lynched.

I personally don't read flip-flopping behaviour as scum indicative during early/RVS D1 play. But ok, I can see why someone would scum-read that behaviour in isolation.

Okay momo is scum we can speed lynch this

Even more proof for my case....

Ok, potentially OMGUS-fueled reaction to Not_Mafia's wagon-pushing.

Can somebody please tell me their thoughts on the case on Not??

It seems more solid than the nero one to me....

momo is confident on his Not_Mafia scum-case ranking it more solid than the scum-case on Nero Cain! Is this town-momo taking pride in his own scum-case on a player?

Where is the town???????

Guys unlike some of you people I am actively trying to solve the game. Not and Nero pushing the Wheme wagon that I meant as rvs strikes me as scummy. Thoughts on this????

Real or false frustration?

At the time of reading I thought all of this was scum-theatre (scum-distancing gone wrong).

I would tell you to play to you wincon but your acting as if your wincon is mislynching townies.

Again, I don't believe the tone/sincerity of this post.

Happy??????

F U guys.

It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait. So be smart and see past it...

Ok, the

'frustrated' element of his play is now raging up to boiling point

.

VOTE: alban

alban just GAVE AN EXCUSE for mislynching townies

99% scum

"99% scum"? - I don't know about that. Alban did made a questionable decision to hunt for spammers rather then scum, but that is not a "99%" slam-dunk scum-catch.

What happened to your scum-feels on Not_Mafia, Nero Cain and Creature? (still strong?)



Thus, going back to Ircher's two statements:

"The Momo wagon is bad and you guys and gals know it" and "Because he has done nothing highly indicative of scum; he's lynchbait at worst"

...
True, I cannot find anything "highly indicative of scum". Most of my suspicion lies in the fact that I don't believe the tone of his posts as from a townie. momo has been pressuring/questioning players that I too do not town read (Not_Mafia, Nero Cain, Creature, alban), so perhaps my scum-theatre theory is making me blind to momo's actual reads (which are actually similar to mine, if not for the same reasons).

Re-reading his ISO, he doesn't look CAUGHT-SCUM anymore

. My remaining concern is:

is this 'frustrated townie' or 'fake-frustrated'?

QUESTIONS:

1) Has anyone seen TOWN-momo become this frustated before? (Even citing his own town-meta as a defence of being easy lynchbait).
2) Do you think momo taking pride in his Not_Mafia scum-case is alignment indicative? I.e is town-momo more likely to get disheartened if no-one is listening to him?

See what I mean, he's a hard read!
I have seen him get frustrated as town iirc. But momo doesn't get disheartened as town, he just makes more noise until people follow him or lynch him.

435 sucks ass, and makes it obvious Alban and Momo aren't scum together. Either could be though, and from what I have read of Alban, as much as they could be, I done think they are. Momo is far more likely to be scum.

Who wants to talk

Sure, sup?

I am bored.

Oops didn't mean to say that out aloud.

I feel like the former was meant for a scum pt and the latter was a cover-up for the mistake.

VOTE: Alban

for some reason, these posts make me feel like

whemestar
creature
keyser soze
alban

are more likely to be town. this doesn't feel like scumbuddy interaction.

[zakk]

Srceenplay is on a scum streak?

Working on it.

oh you cheeky bastard

[zakk]

I claim compulsive bus driver.

I targeted RM and Srceen N1 and Creature and Momo N2.

okay i totally missed this post. this makes so much more clear now.

there's absolutely NO reason to target screenplay unless you KNEW he'd be a target, and since after RM pushing through the D1 lynch they thought they could kill two birds with one stone by hoping everyone copping / rolecopping RM would get a "scum" or "neapolitan" result from screenplay, it makes perfect sense to try to set up RM as having bussed Aris D1 for massive town cred. This also makes sense as to why they didn't kill him N1 and waited until N2.

ALSO. i think the only reason he claimed this (thereby revealing the probability of a is because he knew if anyone else had targeted him for more info (which he may have thought was likely) that he didn't want to get caught fakeclaiming, because a claim is supposed to save you, not damn you... and also, in every good lie there is a bit of truth, etc. so yeah he probably just inadvertently straight up ADMITTED there's a mole in the faction

so yea in my mind there is basically GUARANTEED a mole inside of Dauntless now.

@everyone: read this post

Can you please illustrate this one further time in bulletproof format.
It could potentially be the post that solves the game.

[This is my first game with a bus driver in it].

Yea sure.

So, first; Screenplay was an unlikely target for night actions (imo)

, whereas Radiant Moonlight should have been a frickin' LIGHTNING ROD for night actions after pushing a super fast scum lynch on Aristophanes (townies should have suspected that it was a bussing play for early town-leader cred, so he should have been investigated, tracked, protected, etc., and also, scum should have probably tried to kill him).

Yet, he not only got targeted by Dauntless (care to explain why that was, by the way?), he ALSO allegedly got targeted by the scum bus driver.

There's four possibilities here:

1. There's NOT scum in Dauntless, and Ircher told the TRUTH about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

This would be EXTREMELY weird; why would they choose to bus drive Screenplay and RM? Makes no sense whatsoever. There was no reason to target Screenplay for anything like this, unless you KNEW he needed to be switched with someone, which would require scum in Dauntless, to tip off Ircher. We can discard this outright, in favor of option 4.

2. There IS SCUM in Dauntless, and Ircher was LYING about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

This doesn't really make sense; why would he claim this? To save himself? He was going down anyway, wouldn't have helped. To try to throw shade on RM? We had already seen RM lead a lynch on Aristophanes, why would we believe him (especially after he flipped scum) if he was trying to make RM look bad? We can safely discard this scenario as well.

3. There's NOT scum in Dauntless, and Ircher was LYING about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

This could be the case. It wouldn't be too much a stretch. Scum often lie while trying not to get lynched, or before twilight. But it requires leaps of logic, such as that Ircher made up the fact that they bussed Screenplay (why would he do that? it doesn't serve any purpose, as we went over in option 2), and, of course, this option pales in comparison to the last option...

4. The OCCAM'S RAZOR option: There IS SCUM in Dauntless, and Ircher told the TRUTH about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

I think this is clearly the best option. It's the most obvious, the simplest, and it makes the most sense, especially when you think about the fact that situations change, plans change, and that we are all mafia players who must react to things. So here's how I believe it went down (creative license has been used liberally, lol):

- Whoever was scum in Dauntless found out that Screenplay was gonna be targeted.
- They were like "oh shit!" at first, then after discussing it a bit in the scum thread, they were like "wait wait wait, we all good m8, Ircher's a busdriver" and lol's abounded because they all thought they were gonna confuse the shit out of the town and send improper results about Screenplay to Dauntless.
- Then, Screenplay got lynched anyway, and they were like "SHIT MAN"... but "oh well... couldn't be avoided..." but then on the bright side, at least they still have a "mole" in the Dauntless faction, because (with conventional logic prevailing) why would any scum in the Dauntless faction allow Screenplay to be investigated? ... so, boom, town block in Dauntless, right? (or so we think).
- Shos turns results on Ircher saying he's scum. Ircher gets flash-wagoned. In the heat of the moment, he tries to save himself by doing an honest claim (in case shos wasn't being totally straightforward and it wasn't a COP result, just say, a tracker result or something, I guess) and says exactly what he did, in hopes of getting people to un-wagon a power role.

Note:

At this point, he doesn't realize he's basically blowing the cover of the Dauntless scum mole.
- Everybody's like "nahhhhh he's lying scum, lynch the bastard" and we write off what he says as scum flailing and lying and trying to confuse things.
- We ignore what he said for long enough that we forget about it... and never realize what it actually means... until now.
- zakk uncharacteristically eats his breakfast... and suddenly has super brain powers and realizes all this shit, and is super confident about it.

And now we're up to speed. I think.

[zakk]

I joined Abnegation because Ircher requested.

You don't find that suspicious at all?

I don't. Not from ircher anyway

Maybe I didn't ask this yet, because all I can find is this post, but:

Why do you think ircher specifically requested that

you

join Abnegation?

[zakk]

The only problem with your theory is why. Why would scum frame RC and Titus? They weren't widely town read if I'm recalling correctly and there wasn't much of a case on Ari at least from their point of view. It would be much easier for scum to just spin that and say they were bussing for town credit.

It's not framing RC and Titus. It's scum knowing that THEIR guy is getting investigated, and switching him out for a likely townie. And actually, while writing this, I just realized, you'd KNOW it was a townie if you were scum, so boom. Just destroyed your point completely.

And as I said before, Radiant Moonlight should have been a lightning rod for night actions, given the speed lynch on Aristophanes.

[zakk]

Oh... shit.

WAIT. Yeah.

Actually, that's why the bus drive didn't work. And I bet scum missed that. Just like I missed that.

Nope, theory still 100% viable.

[zakk]

LMAO keep trying to prove it wrong though because you're literally the only one who looks bad here.

Ramcius looks super town to me, and Keyser was digging more into the theory and asking me to state it more clearly, because he's TRYING to figure out if there's a mole...

But you're the one trying to poke holes in it.





HOWEVER.... due diligence. Poke all the holes you want. If you can discredit the theory... that'd actually be preferable, because I want to be wrong because that'd be awesome to have that town block.

[zakk]

It's not a stretch to think that scum missed that. Haha

If I missed it, ANYONE could miss it

[zakk]

And no to be frank I didn't actually ever town read Radiant Moonlight until they flipped town, but at the same time I wasn't about to lynch them any time soon because they were getting scum flips and weren't trying to push people I thought were townies.

[zakk]

LMAO keep trying to prove it wrong though because you're literally the only one who looks bad here.

Ramcius looks super town to me, and Keyser was digging more into the theory and asking me to state it more clearly, because he's TRYING to figure out if there's a mole...

But you're the one trying to poke holes in it.





HOWEVER.... due diligence. Poke all the holes you want. If you can discredit the theory... that'd actually be preferable, because I want to be wrong because that'd be awesome to have that town block.

I'm trying to understand how you're reaching the most unlikeliest conclusion in my opinion.

I think the theory is a waste of time since I know I'm town and I town read Kesyer and Ram Ram.

Which scenario do you think is most likely of the 4 I posted then?

Option 3? No scum in the hood and Ircher is lying?

[zakk]

It's not a stretch to think that scum missed that. Haha

If I missed it, ANYONE could miss it

I think it is considering scum are the informed majority and would be more aware of that sort of thing in general.

Fair point.........

Ugh I'm re-reading you.

Later tho I g2g, been on here for hours.
Bye for now

[zakk]

I get back 4 hours later to a grand total of 6 posts

Hoo fkn ray

What do you guys think of my theory tho

[zakk]

Let's just put this to rest:

@mod: Do serum abilities supersede/bypass/overrule/etc. role abilities?

[zakk]

e.g... OR, do night actions resolve in proper resolution order, no matter the manner/method in which they were submitted?

[zakk]

I'd like to hear it from the mod, thanks tho

[zakk]

shos is conftown via mod in our topic. He was the Candor target N1.

[zakk]

If you want 20 extra pages about Nero Cain maybe ... otherwise I mostly summed up the important parts

[zakk]

dauntless turned tracker results on screenplay performing a kill N1, so he was lynched d2 (scum)

How was that vote/discussion in the dauntless PT?

Each faction has a serum. Read up in your private topic

Wasn't it follower result?

Oh I guess yeah. I called it Tracker cause that's the role I remember more than follower, but is the actual ability different in anything but name?

[zakk]

shos is conf-town via mod in the candor private topic, seen by Nero Cain, rb (and should be you too now), Radiant Moonlight, me, and alban (and also shos lol)

Like the mod said it, or the result of some action? I thought a group copped him or something.

Candor group-copped him before I got there, and he was mod confirmed in the Candor PT to be town. And this is a non bastard game so no shenanigans.

[zakk]

dauntless turned tracker results on screenplay performing a kill N1, so he was lynched d2 (scum)

How was that vote/discussion in the dauntless PT?

5 days before deadline i came with list of Ari, Srceen and shos, wasn't much discussion over that, after D1 ended, i voted Srceen, cause his actions at day end by pushing momo as counter to Ari and calling everyone idiots for not following him coupled with him coasting trough D1 pinged me for check over other possibilities, Trans probably was same opinion, cause voted right after me, later in the night LUV hammered without trying turn check elsewhere

Makes LUV look slightly better and Keyser slightly worse. Thanks for this info.

[zakk]

dauntless turned tracker results on screenplay performing a kill N1, so he was lynched d2 (scum)

How was that vote/discussion in the dauntless PT?

5 days before deadline i came with list of Ari, Srceen and shos, wasn't much discussion over that, after D1 ended, i voted Srceen, cause his actions at day end by pushing momo as counter to Ari and calling everyone idiots for not following him coupled with him coasting trough D1 pinged me for check over other possibilities, Trans probably was same opinion, cause voted right after me, later in the night LUV hammered without trying turn check elsewhere

Was the result that he did the kill or that he performed an action on Not_Mafia?

No their faction had the Tracker/follower result on screenplay-- it was Erudite with the shared vig, and they shot Mewtaph.

[zakk]

Wasn't it follower result?

Oh I guess yeah. I called it Tracker cause that's the role I remember more than follower, but is the actual ability different in anything but name?

tracker see target, follower type of committed action, but not who was targeted, so it's more like weak rolecop

Ohhhh yes my mistake

[zakk]

@ Ramcius / PV / shos / everyone really

Nero Cain v. Lil Uzi Vert solo votes. Thoughts? I think one of these wagons is where I'll be at the end of the day

[zakk]

Each faction has a serum. Read up in your private topic

Yeah, but if the factional serum was used to catch screenplay, then it had to be voted on, and knowing that vote, I can't imagine scum would send Screen to do the kill.

But, I think you already discussed they planned to bus drive that result, but serum resolves first?

And Ram talked about how the vote went, but it doesn't look like much discussion was done about it.

Well as it turns out the mod was not clear at all that the serums would resolve first in any case.

This could actually be a mod error that broke the game in towns favor, if scum let screenplay do the kill knowing full well that he would be the target but expecting their bus driver to be able to mitigate the results.

Even if so however, I still want to play the game to completion because otherwise this would feel like a gigantic waste of time. And it's my only game right now.lol

[zakk]

Whose?

[zakk]

Because you are the two least likely to be town.

@shos: why is creature group scum? If anything he's more likely to be town, based on ircher interactions

[zakk]

^ First part was in response to the bottom of Nero Cain's 2724

[zakk]

Why I shouldn't be lynched:

I'm the only with a faction serum left that could contribute for the PoE.

I'm not down to lynch you regardless, based entirely on the ircher thing, and after rereading Aris' ISO.

Also, unrelatedly: You could use your block as a semi-cop to potentially clear people if a kill/kills still went through when you targeted them.

[zakk]

Because you are the two least likely to be town.

He's SK hunting wich makes a ton of sense from group scum but your scum read on me makes little to no sense.

So you're not voting him because of anything to do with my mole gambit theory, you're voting him because he's SK hunting?

Frankly speaking if there's an SK in the game, that basically means it's 1 scum and 1 SK vs lots of townies WHICH MEANS its no better to hunt for one than the other. In fact, it might be preferable to SK hunt, because a common trait for serial killers is bulletproof (which we don't even know if there is a serial killer at all, let alone a bulletproof one, but just for the sake of argument~), so while an SK could kill mafia at night, the mafia couldn't kill the SK, WHICH MEANS it's harder to kill and can only be killed by lynching it, therefore one could successfully argue that serial killer hunting is really the thing we should all be doing rn.

Hence my scum read on you.

It's because YOUR position doesn't make sense.

VOTE: Nero Cain