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Or should I say it makes zero difference.
The only upside to hunting group scum is that we have associative tells.
But I highly believe there is an SK.
And the whole point is, scum hunting is not mutually exclusive to faction. You can hunt for both at the same time, which is odd because you're making it sound like hunting for a serial killer is scummy, when it's really not.-
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What advantage, pray tell?In post 2751, Nero Cain wrote:like there's a HUGE advantage to hunting the last team scum but Zakk wants to ignore that? WTF?
Either kill would remove scum and eliminate a nightkill.
It's extrapolatable currently imo and will be obvious after tonight I think. Unless there's shenanigansIn post 2749, Creature wrote:Is it proven there's an SK?-
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Cool re:me, but why vote Creature? I have him as town (or at least, non-groupscum) due to ircher interactions. That'd be extremely weird between scumbuddies.
Also there's this:
If nothing else, we could make a deal with Creature to block whoever we say to block (for that is Abnegation's power, I know because was in there before N1), and count the kills.In post 2735, Creature wrote:Why I shouldn't be lynched:
I'm the only with a faction serum left that could contribute for the PoE.
Sure, scum could no-kill to try to frame someone, but that's good because a) Creature uses the block on who we say to use it on, and b) it could stop a scum kill from going through, either by them being blocked, or by a no-kill action to try to frame someone.
So, it's a net town positive to leave Creature alive, at the very least, for today. And that has nothing to do with my not-groupscum read of him, which you may or may not share.-
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Sure, let's talk about it.In post 2726, Nero Cain wrote:Can we all talk about how Shos either has a result on me or thinks that I'm not team scum and yet Luv thinks I should be lynched today? How is this not SK hunting?-
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Where do you get this number?In post 2727, Nero Cain wrote:IFI out aside how stupid Luv is being rn (and Key) for the same reason)
Then there is a 33% chance that we lynch scum today by lynching in BT6, Creature and RB.
And don't be like "it's 1/3" because I'm not a dumbass.
How do you figure that one of those three is scum?
And are you calculating SK into this, or just groupscum?
Why would you set aside people being stupid, ever?
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***smoking gun***
If you were town, an "I'm town" would be all that's necessary in your mind.In post 2733, Nero Cain wrote:
He's SK hunting wich makes a ton of sense from group scum but your scum read on me makes little to no sense.In post 2731, zakk wrote:Because you are the two least likely to be town.
but as scum, you'd be like "your scum read on me makes little to no sense" which WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT EVEN MEAN first of all, and secondly, it betrays the fact that you are trying to make me doubt myself.-
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Why these?In post 2734, Creature wrote:ThinkBig, Keyser or LUV it is then.
What about Nero? what about PV? what about alban even? what about ME even?
momo, Wheme, Ramcius, and you, i will write off as not-groupscum enough not to lynch today, but how do you get from 7 down to those 3 specifically?
y'all are doing PoE wrong-
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In post 2746, Nero Cain wrote:Like if we go with Shos' claim/thoughts that teamscum are not, me, wheme and Zakk then that leaves a pool of
Keyser Söze
BTD6_maker/thinkbig
Creature
as the last team scum. That's a 33% to lynch scum.
but according to Zakk its better to SK hunt today wich makes the mislynch pool much much bigger.
Zakk is SK. Key is mafia I bet.>says SK hunting is scummy
>lays out plan for PoEing groupscum
>accuses me of being SK (for wanting to not abandon SK hunting)
>>>>>>>>votes me (who he just said was an SK)
i am literally dying laughing right now.
this is SO scum.-
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and then he realizes how stupid he looks
and he votes the guy he says is groupscumwhat a joke.
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actually!! it's not even the guy he says is groupscum
so he sets aside how stupid Luv is beingIn post 2727, Nero Cain wrote:IFI out aside how stupid Luv is being rn (and Key) for the same reason) Thenthere is a 33% chance that we lynch scum today by lynching in BT6, Creature and RB.
but he DOESN'T set aside how stupid key is being
and also, where did RB/PV go, from his PoE PoV? he should still suspect PV, right??
he's pulling this out of his ass right now.
literally dragging it out, kicking and screaming.-
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~~~~~~~spidey sense tingling~~~~~~~~In post 2754, momo wrote:Just strong vibes and just from past scenarios, I feel pretty comfortable assuming Creature vs. LUV is scum vs town. Just who is scum.
To find out
VOTE: Creature
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In post 392, alban wrote:[post=Wheme]Wheme[/post]
Bloody spammer. 70+ posts. 3 pages out of 16 are yours. My priority is to hunt for spammers before hunting for scums.Uh
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You're right it's a fallacy. It's an Appeal to Intelligence fallacy.
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honestly you should really read up. you will miss aIn post 2923, Aronis wrote:
Speaking of this, if y'all don't mind, could somebody update me on all the claims and stuff? I'm not completely reading the entire thread, so I'm probably missing stuff and that would help a ton. tiaIn post 2918, Creature wrote:You claimed a result on Keyser, right?lotjust by getting a list
short list, tho:
- we lynched scum 3 for 3 so far
- shos is mod confirmed town
- there are serums (and theories about serum use / knowledge thereof / culpability thereof)
- tons of other stuff (i.e. go read the thread, it's rich with info)-
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oh i didn't see this when i posted 2929In post 2928, Aronis wrote:So I read the end of D1, D2, and D3. I skipped the beginning of Day 1 and haven't read Day 4 yet (I'll probably try to get to that tomorrow?)
It's late and I have to get up early, but here's a quick readslist based off of what I've read so far:
Aronis
alban
momo
Nero Cain
Ramcius
WhemeStar
shos
Keyser Söze
Lil Uzi Vert
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@Nero and whoever else cares: If you have any questions feel free to ask. I'll definitely look more in depth into myzakkscumread tomorrow and then provide some of the reasons I feel like he's scum. I may not be around much until tomorrow night though, so it may take a while. And if I get the chance I may try to sum up my day 1 notes and give reasons for the townreads, depends on how much time I have, but so if there's a specific read you're interested in let me know and I'll prioritize that.
hit me back after you read up
i'm specifically interested in your townreads on:
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you've been here the entire time. what are you not caught up on?In post 2930, WhemeStar wrote:
I agree with thisIn post 2923, Aronis wrote:
Speaking of this, if y'all don't mind, could somebody update me on all the claims and stuff? I'm not completely reading the entire thread, so I'm probably missing stuff and that would help a ton. tiaIn post 2918, Creature wrote:You claimed a result on Keyser, right?-
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Yes shos this doesn't look like a scum post to meIn post 2939, PeregrineV wrote:
I want to hear it, because based on today he is very actively scumhunting and gamesolving.In post 2928, Aronis wrote:So I read the end of D1, D2, and D3. I skipped the beginning of Day 1 and haven't read Day 4 yet (I'll probably try to get to that tomorrow?)
It's late and I have to get up early, but here's a quick readslist based off of what I've read so far:
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Creature
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@Nero and whoever else cares: If you have any questions feel free to ask. I'll definitely look more in depth into myzakkscumread tomorrow and then provide some of the reasons I feel like he's scum. I may not be around much until tomorrow night though, so it may take a while. And if I get the chance I may try to sum up my day 1 notes and give reasons for the townreads, depends on how much time I have, but so if there's a specific read you're interested in let me know and I'll prioritize that.
It could obviously be the ol' "make a good first impression after replacing into a lurkerscum spot" ploy
But at the very least, I'm not interested in lynching him today. There are much better prospects-
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What game are you reading?In post 2948, Nero Cain wrote:just to piggyback, 2/3 flipped scum didn't move factions. Also, Elana was a vig shot/SK pretending to be a vig.-
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So in the case that shos didn't have a not team scum result on me, you're saying you'd think I was team scum?In post 2979, Nero Cain wrote:
I was under the impression that Shos had a not team scum result on Zakk. Zakk's 2739 didn't seem town motivated to me. It felt more like coming to the defense of and thus buddying LUV then "I think you are scum." Seeing him as the SK was the only thing that made sense to me with what I thought was a not team scum result on him.In post 2965, Keyser Söze wrote:Yes, I would describe Nero's SK-hunting vote on you as contradictory.-
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See comments like this are just meant to make me look bad, and not for any reason in particular, just trying to drag my name through the mud.In post 2978, Nero Cain wrote:I'm curious who you'll fake push on tomorrow.
This is another reason I think you're scum.-
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I was considering joining Dauntless because I like that faction the best.In post 2984, Nero Cain wrote:
What made you not join this faction?In post 514, zakk wrote:Dauntless what is your power because I'm considering switching to you from abnegation
I changed to Candor to try to join Radiant Moonlight and you. You both moved though.-
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My read on alban was bad because he was only posting in the main thread and not in the Candor PT.In post 2983, Nero Cain wrote:yes.
to wich, you'll respond "you aren't voting me".
and wich I will say "I think you are scummy but I'm still sorting."
Why didn't you give a full reads list earlier? Why did you stop scum reading Alban?
He started posting in the Candor PT and my read changed. I think the story is the same with shos.
Lil Uzi Vert in particular has been trying to bait out information on whether alban claimed something.
As far as I am concerned LUV and you can both die.-
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Nobody has a town read that early in the game for no reason.
He was on my 'to be sorted later' list until he pushed a scum lynch.-
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I have no idea. And why do you think I would?In post 2986, Nero Cain wrote:Why do you think I'd night kill both Trans and NM? also @ momo and LUV.-
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If I can't get Nero Cain, then LUV is my second choice.In post 2989, shos wrote:can I have more LUV votes-
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In post 210, keyenpeydee wrote:"Becoming fearless isn't the point. That's impossible. It's learning how to control your fear, and how to be free from it."
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Not sure it works that way bossIn post 2998, alban wrote:
Whoever is desperate to know who I am could simply switch to Candor tonight.In post 2967, shos wrote:alban-
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That's funny we were just saying the same thing in our private topic.In post 3014, Creature wrote:Funny I'm the top poster besides Nero Cain yet it feels like I haven't done much.-
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In post 3014, Creature wrote:Funny I'm the top poster besides Nero Cain yet it feels like I haven't done much.
Because gut reads are a thing.In post 3013, Nero Cain wrote:
that's a little ambiguous don't you think? If you had felt he was slightly scummy for this why was he on your list to sort LATER?In post 2993, zakk wrote:Nobody has a town read that early in the game for no reason.
He was on my 'to be sorted later' list until he pushed a scum lynch.
And yes I agree that it's ambiguous as hell.
But next time you get a comment like that and drop everything to address something that's arguably still in RVS, as if it's LyLo, you let me know-
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Hashtag WIFOM idkIn post 3016, Nero Cain wrote:
I am very curious why you think that scum me would kill everyone that was town reading/ not scum reading me while leaving alive ppl that had been calling me scummy and trying to lynch me like you and Shos. I have a hard time believing that you believe that's what I'd do as scum.In post 2994, zakk wrote:
I have no idea. And why do you think I would?In post 2986, Nero Cain wrote:Why do you think I'd night kill both Trans and NM? also @ momo and LUV.
Are you town? Prove it to me. What's one pro town thing you've done? I am willing to be persuaded.-
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In post 3016, Nero Cain wrote:
I am very curious why you think that scum me would kill everyone that was town reading/ not scum reading me while leaving alive ppl that had been calling me scummy and trying to lynch me like you and Shos. I have a hard time believing that you believe that's what I'd do as scum.In post 2994, zakk wrote:
I have no idea. And why do you think I would?In post 2986, Nero Cain wrote:Why do you think I'd night kill both Trans and NM? also @ momo and LUV.
Not that I think creature is scum necessary (I don't) butIn post 3023, shos wrote:consiidering the fact that the mod answered YES to this quesiton, why would scum ask that the mod publicly in order to let town know information that is useful to them?
We're not lynching creature today.
This is flawed logic because dauntless saw Screenplay perform 2 actions right? So this was publicly known anyway, as soon as they shared it-
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Also this. But again. Creature is probtown due to scum interactionsIn post 3025, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Dumb tells are things.In post 3023, shos wrote:consiidering the fact that the mod answered YES to this quesiton, why would scum ask that the mod publicly in order to let town know information that is useful to them?
We're not lynching creature today.-
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Oh I am DEFINITELY throwing shade. DEFINITELYIn post 3028, Nero Cain wrote:so fmpov this is just Zakk shade throwing. Like he can't go "oh there's scum in dauntless but let's just lynch outside dauntless" Zakk, as the last scum, needs as many mislynches as possible. Sitting there and mislynching me and then going "oh silly me, I didn't even go with my own theory and it 'caused a mislynch, NOW let me go after my theory"-
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I feel like I shouldn't have to point out what is wrong with this post.In post 3036, Nero Cain wrote:Why are you so calm about Zakk throwing shade on your hood but when I pointed out your misrep of wheme you got your panties in a bunch?
But I also feel like I do need to point it out.
*frustrated pointing* "Why can he get away with something I can't??" *throws himself a pity party*
Look like I said, if you're torn. I have yet to see the signs. And I am damnnn good at seeing the signs.-
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I'm really not sure how to take this postIn post 3038, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I'm calm because the push is nonsensical and is not something I see scum who just lost 3 of their teammates consecutively pushing. I also don't mind being lynched since I only subbed into this game as a favor for Key.In post 3036, Nero Cain wrote:Why are you so calm about Zakk throwing shade on your hood but when I pointed out your misrep of wheme you got your panties in a bunch?
It feels like it's buddying me but it also feels town.
Hypothetical question:
If LUV and Nero Cain are BOTH town, who is scum? I'll be thinking about that
First knee jerk is Keyser
But my heart tells me it's PV or Aronis
And my deepest paranoia tells me it's momo or Wheme and I just gave them a pass too easy
I'm going to sleep-
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I have posted about it at least twice or three times
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Yeah I'm not paranoidIn post 3059, PeregrineV wrote:
Where would paranoia come from? The lynch record is perfect at this point, so this is probably the only time you could actually NOT be paranoid.In post 3034, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:No, zakk is probably town who was being eaten alive by paranoia there.
And I don't know why LUV is trying to make excuses for me-
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Now you're trying to make me look bad againIn post 3063, Nero Cain wrote:Zakk:I think the last scum is in dauntless
Nero votes Luv. It was totally consistent with his theory. It doesn't matter if I was voting you for "sk hunting". It was stillconsistentwith his theory
Zakk:Why the fuck would you be voting LUV?!?
He's talking out of both sides of his mouth and trying to increase the amount of mislynch targets. He's the scum we want.
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What is the hole in my logic? That I want to lynch you instead of somebody in dauntless?In post 3068, Nero Cain wrote:I'm not going out of my way though. I'm scumhunting. If I happened to get mislynched today players will know that I'm coming from a town motivation and maybe, just maybe they'll lok at the guy with a huge hole in his "logic",
If that's it, then answer me this:
Do you disagree with LUVs repeated rebuttals of my dauntless theory?
If so, then why aren't you trying harder to lynch him or Keyser?
For what it's worth he actually made me doubt my theory enough to stop pursuing it for one day phase. Once we get more information based on nightkills, matters will become much clearer.-
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Do you think the last scum's in Dauntless or don't you?In post 3069, Nero Cain wrote:
What do you think of Zakk believing that the last scum is in Dauntless but now wants to vote outside Dauntless?In post 3067, Keyser Söze wrote:Not lynching in Dauntless (today).
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Here's the thing:
Based on my knowledge of the set up, and my general knowledge of game balance, I think we are up against either a five person scum team, or four groupscum and a serial killer, given the flips we have seen.
In both of those cases, it makes sense to not lynch inside of Dauntless, if I have a shadow of doubt regarding my theory, which I do. But you seem to be willfully ignoring that.
So I'm asking you, what have you done that can be seen as town motivation? And don't say "scumhunting"-
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I think 5 factions + 5 scum makes flavor + balance sense. I have definitely said this before. Also I have no delusions that we are going to lynch 4/4 scum in 4 days That's just crazy talk. On the best of days.
And btw there's been 2 kills for each of at least 2 nights, and knowing what I know there IS DEFINITELY 100% GUARANTEED to be a serial killer unless someone is lying, and that gets resolved tomorrow because there's one real quick way to prove whether there is one or not but it takes one more phase, end it depends on things that I have discovered that only I and a few others can know or figure out, based on evidence either in their own role, or their own factional topic, and which I'm not going to be sharing to the public, for obvious reasons. There's a good reason that basically nobody of any skill or knowledge is pushing for my lynch today... it's because I'm almost guaranteed town. You should know this, knowing what you know, but you apparently don't, meaning you're either playing dumb or you really are dumb. In both cases I'm OK with a lynch on you.
And since I 99% believe there is an SK, and since it would be stupid to have a 20p game with only a 3-man groupscum team, it's not a stretch at all to make a safe lynch on the most survivalistic player in the game (you) and hope for an SK kill... Because that's how you've been playing all game. Like a serial killer. And getting rid of that kill is worth it, no matter how you want to slice it. And you should really, really, really know that I'm town right now (hint hint hint) but you apparently don't.-
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You keep saying you know you're town. I don't think you actually believe that. I think you're trying to create an echo chamber where *other* people will believe that.In post 3125, Nero Cain wrote:
I think Key is much scummier than Luv. I don't think it's impossible that Ari sees his buddy PP get wagoned and then joins but it gives me some pause. ItIn post 3102, zakk wrote:Nero why Keyser so much higher than lil Uzi ?ISa little concerning that he's all like "oh Zakk throwing shade on my hood is not something the last scum would do." It'sEXACTLYwhat the last scum would do. "But Nero pointing out my misrep (he claims it was a misunderstanding and I should have realized this)ISsomething the last scum would do. Given that I know I'm town and thus that he's wrong I don't see how this makes sense. From an outsiders perspective, I still don't see how this makes sense.-
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Explain the other kill.In post 3135, Ramcius wrote:
1 kill from N2 isn't enough to prove sk existenceIn post 3134, shos wrote:basically zakk is spewing my ideas from Candor, lol, perhaps with additions of his own
NC definitely fits to be an SK, and there definitely is an SK in high likelihood(sp?) and nero is probably not groupscum anyway.
Then, when you can't, think about what I could possibly know that you don't.
Then, when your head is finally out of your ass, vote Nero.-
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Lmao... OkayIn post 3131, Ramcius wrote:
also this pings me really hard, why lynch someone, if you don't think they flip scum?In post 3127, zakk wrote:Also I have no delusions that we are going to lynch 4/4 scum in 4 days That's just crazy talk. On the best of days.
1. How many time you seen it done?
2. Does it look like I'm trying to lynch somebody I think it's town?
3. Again, pull your head out of your ass.
We are saying the same things (i.e. I'm not gonna lynch LUV without more info) but you're buying into NC's bullshit for some reason-
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Let's just say you're wrong and I know itIn post 3143, Ramcius wrote:
as it was mentioned already plenty of times - rb inclined Mewtaph was Erudite faction kill, have any other info? Cause no one from Erudite confirm/deny despite me bringing it up and asking themIn post 3140, zakk wrote:
Explain the other kill.In post 3135, Ramcius wrote:
1 kill from N2 isn't enough to prove sk existenceIn post 3134, shos wrote:basically zakk is spewing my ideas from Candor, lol, perhaps with additions of his own
NC definitely fits to be an SK, and there definitely is an SK in high likelihood(sp?) and nero is probably not groupscum anyway.
Then, when you can't, think about what I could possibly know that you don't.
Then, when your head is finally out of your ass, vote Nero.
yes, i wouldn't be surprised, if vig got rid of RMIn post 3138, shos wrote:
got any better explanations?In post 3135, Ramcius wrote:
1 kill from N2 isn't enough to prove sk existenceIn post 3134, shos wrote:basically zakk is spewing my ideas from Candor, lol, perhaps with additions of his own
NC definitely fits to be an SK, and there definitely is an SK in high likelihood(sp?) and nero is probably not groupscum anyway.
Also let's just say you will be eating your words very quickly after Nero's flip AND I'll probably be a prime kill target tonight now.
So if you're scum, which I am actually beginning to suspect, you're gonna look hella bad tomorrow-
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