Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[brassherald]

Look, lets figure out one thing at a time, Who do we want in the WC?

We figure this out first and then move on to a lynch discussion.

I would propose Shaziro, but Shaziro being away for totally understandable issues might be an issue.

P-Edit: Nero stop being a douche.

[brassherald]

Make me runner up for sure.

[brassherald]

I can confirm A50 did spread Taoism to me, was waiting until someone mentioned that if at all.

Also, I KNEW A50 was China! WOOT! Personal victory!

[brassherald]

And mine was fully from the Jackie Chan Gif.

[brassherald]

And so, Day 2 begins!

Dunkerdoodles was found dead during Night 1. He was

Boudica

of the

Celts

,

aligned with the

Domination Mafia.

Dunkerdoodle's role was

Mafia Pagan Spreader.

Spoiler: Mafia Pagan Spreader

• Spreads the "Pagan" religion to a player every night. That player henceforth will be converted to and a member of "Paganism", and told as such. No discernible or tangible night effect.

Religion is not specific to a cultural mafia. Read Dunker's flip.

[brassherald]

Ranmaru is a good town read... Can we make him one of the hosts?

[brassherald]

Make me runner up for sure.

Who do you want for host?

I think Ranmaru might be a good choice, but there's no assurance anyone makes it to Day 3 for the town.

I think I need to retract that.

I'll host, make Ranmaru runner up?

[brassherald]

pidgey, you need to full claim, then. Civ, religion, target last night.

[brassherald]

And yeah thats catholicism

Well Catholicism for Spain, Taoism for China, Paganism for Celts... I'm seeing a pattern here.

[brassherald]

FYI, Martin Luther was German.

[brassherald]

People, we have a role card from a religion spreader. They have no information at this time, it seems.

For the love of the God of Taoism (I looked it up, it's just God, btw), just read all of the flip for Dunker.

[brassherald]

Currently on phone so im bad at writing and reading. But ill answer more stuff later in laptop

Its bullshit that nero is not a catholic though, AY DIOS MIO!!!

If it makes you feel any better, I am still Catholic in my heart. I even sing in the Choir.

A50, does Taoism have choirs?

[brassherald]

I can confirm A50 did spread Taoism to me, was waiting until someone mentioned that if at all.

Also, I KNEW A50 was China! WOOT! Personal victory!

Did anything else happen to you last night?

Not anything of which I am aware.

[brassherald]

I can confirm A50 did spread Taoism to me, was waiting until someone mentioned that if at all.

Also, I KNEW A50 was China! WOOT! Personal victory!

Did anything else happen to you last night?

Not anything of which I am aware.

Can you think of a reason that someone other than a religion spreader would want to target you?

If there is a hider, I'd be a pretty good target last night.

[brassherald]

I can confirm A50 did spread Taoism to me, was waiting until someone mentioned that if at all.

Also, I KNEW A50 was China! WOOT! Personal victory!

Did anything else happen to you last night?

Not anything of which I am aware.

Can you think of a reason that someone other than a religion spreader would want to target you?

If there is a hider, I'd be a pretty good target last night.

If you were targeted by a hider, you wouldn't have been converted to Taoism, right?

They are independent of one another. A hider would be looking for protection from Night Kills, not hiding me.

[brassherald]

I think A50 is town despite the fact that I believed he was scum Day 1, I don't see scum mentioning that he targeted me with an ability Night 1. It's too big of a gambit, especially when I was so hesitant to bring up the Taoism thing the start of the day.

I could see multiple people of the same role exist as well in town, the claim itself is less Town Indicative for Pidgey but, I'm willing to read him as town.

And for reference when the voting for Day 2 rolls around, I am still not allowed to copy and paste what I see as a big post. I'm a stickler for following the rules, and especially do not want to be mod killed for doing something that I know is against the rules.

[brassherald]

2058 Gamma confirmed Irish. (I'm so funny)

There could easily be a third scum team of 2

Pagan does -not- mean no religion.

It does tho, pagan means they don't believe in god, no?

No, that's atheist.

[brassherald]

No one seems to care about my softing so I'll put it like this:

Someone, who is not A50, targeted Brass last night. Is this anti-town? My first thought would be that, like Shaziro speculated, there's a mafia group that can obtain a religious victory. This person tried to convert brass, but was either blocked because of A50's move or less likely, brass was converted to the bad religion and is keeping his mouth shut about it. What do you all think?

I didn't want to out what you were hinting at there, but I really have no clue what the other person would be, I am Taoist now.

[brassherald]

@Jo

Not that I distrust you, but since you are making a claim, can you just full claim your role? Like is it just a tracker?

[brassherald]

Hot take. What if Religion makes neighbors?

[brassherald]

brass, you would know that better than us!

Well, I might find out tonight.

[brassherald]

You know what everyone, thoughts on Kiana?

[brassherald]

Who's Kiana?

Kiana Kaslana, the one who replaced Assemble.

[brassherald]

Okay, let's get this World Congress off to a start already... When there is a vote count, I will then be putting my 4 delegates out.

[brassherald]

Okay, Gamma is Russia, which I agree would logically not be a religion spreader.

But also, Gamma, Jo visited you, not me, so a watcher would not see her.

[brassherald]

I was thinking you might be an Even night tracker, not an inventor.

Do you have a list of possible inventions you can choose from?

[brassherald]

I was thinking you might be an Even night tracker, not an inventor.

Do you have a list of possible inventions you can choose from?

Sorry, not choose from, that can be granted to you.

[brassherald]

Okay, let's get this World Congress off to a start already... When there is a vote count, I will then be putting my 4 delegates out.

Can you vote me?

I can, the question is whether I will.

[brassherald]

Joda's claim made sense, since tomorrow if she comes out with a new ability, I would 100% call her out on it being changed from the day before.

[brassherald]

Hot take. What if Religion makes neighbors?

It doesn't, or you would have been notified of a neighbourhood with me.

Now if you DID get notified of a neighbourhood but were not told who the other party was I'd say that would be Gamma.

Oh, I have never been neighbored before. Didn't know how it works. I've both never been in a game with one and would assume most people do not want my thoughts of all people's.

[brassherald]

Joda's claim made sense, since tomorrow if she comes out with a new ability, I would 100% call her out on it being changed from the day before.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this. Joda claimed she get a new ability at the start of every night and that she has ti use it on the same night!

If she didn't clarify that today, it would have been suspicious if tonight she gets like a cop shot and says she copped someone with a guilty, right?

[brassherald]

I think Gamma might be scum, I don't know about watcher for sure.

Elbirn was a weak on night 1, so he either visits someone he crumbs to prove they are town or not, or he targets me to BG the conf town for the rest of the game. So, unless he was a targeted mafia shot, either he targeted Gamma and Gamma's scum, or he targeted me and Gamma's lying, even if he was a night shot. Gamma might be the best link here

[brassherald]

Lynch*

[brassherald]

I think Gamma might be scum, I don't know about watcher for sure.

Elbirn was a weak on night 1, so he either visits someone he crumbs to prove they are town or not, or he targets me to BG the conf town for the rest of the game. So, unless he was a targeted mafia shot, either he targeted Gamma and Gamma's scum, or he targeted me and Gamma's lying, even if he was a night shot. Gamma might be the best link here

There is no need to target you to BG you because the peacekeeping resolution that day publically gave you protection. This was announced, and it is not likely that Elbirn had missed. So, you can throw that conclusion out of the window.

His protection didn't start until N2 and was permanent throughout the game.

[brassherald]

I think Gamma might be scum, I don't know about watcher for sure.

Elbirn was a weak on night 1, so he either visits someone he crumbs to prove they are town or not, or he targets me to BG the conf town for the rest of the game. So, unless he was a targeted mafia shot, either he targeted Gamma and Gamma's scum, or he targeted me and Gamma's lying, even if he was a night shot. Gamma might be the best link here

There is no need to target you to BG you because the peacekeeping resolution that day publically gave you protection. This was announced, and it is not likely that Elbirn had missed. So, you can throw that conclusion out of the window.

His protection didn't start until N2 and was permanent throughout the game.

Oh, oops. I read his role flip wrong. XD

If his protection didn't start until N2, then that means that he cannot have died while protecting someone.

He could have died to a shot directed at him or, since N1 was weak, he would have died if he chose a scum target.

[brassherald]

Not to bring this back to a discussion people have already dismissed, but why exactly, are we dismissing the idea of a Cultural Purple Mafia?

I'm still trying to figure this one out.

[brassherald]

Why would a scum watcher bother watching brassherald? They KNOW that no protectives was going to hit brass that night.

Scum investigative? Brass's role was already outed

Roleblocker? We have a dead one already, and roleblocking a confirmed IC seems dumb

Religion spreader? Brass confirmed theres no religion.

Strongman? Brass's still alive

What else is there?

Guys, what teh fuck. Gamma is town here. There exists no scum role that makes sense with being used on the protected IC.

FOS on BuJaber for the previous 2 posts tho. Dont like the tone.

Orange said that they would take care of brass didn't they? Just a though that could explain a scum watcher on brass from a red

Where?

[brassherald]

I saw it. I forgot about that.

[brassherald]

Your read list is wrong on Joda, that's not the role she has claimed.

[brassherald]

How would we feel about a Joda leader?

[brassherald]

I don't like being told to just trust people, I would not expect you all to trust me if I were not the IC, I'm not just going to trust you guys, you want someone as a leader, show me why they would be a good leader.

And no to Nero today, my town read on him has slipped big time.

And BuJ, I will take the host, I just messed up my wording.

[brassherald]

Okay, then, let's do Joey.

HEAL: for host: Joey_ x2

HEAL: for host: Brass x2

[brassherald]

I like it.

[brassherald]

Hi, I'll make a post before I go back to being one of New York's leading producers in fever and mucus.

My lynchpool today is Kiana, ActionDan, and Klazam in that order.

[brassherald]

@Brass do you prefer to get the +2 delegates or nah ? If im WC i will give them in your possession regardless tomorow if you are still alive

Sure I'll take extra delegates.

Sorry guys had a full date day and have to catch up. Also overgamed a bit and it really showed.

[brassherald]

Looks like I was too late for that anyway. I dropped out of some games though and should be back for force in this one. I still can't promise lots of posts tomorrow though since weekends are the rare times I get to spend with my fiancee until we find another apartment

[brassherald]

Can anyone think of a major historical incident where the Protestants where the "war wagers", so to speak? I mean, The Catholic Church was also responsible for the Crusades, so that's why I'm voting Pidgey over Marshy here

The Irish Rebellions?

[brassherald]

Can anyone think of a major historical incident where the Protestants where the "war wagers", so to speak? I mean, The Catholic Church was also responsible for the Crusades, so that's why I'm voting Pidgey over Marshy here

The Irish Rebellions?

Wait, no, I think those were Catholics as well, nevermind. Got the two sections mixed up

[brassherald]

Only new thing from day 1 in resolutions is ban furs. We cannot ban silk, nor peacekeep day 2 since we did both day 1.

[brassherald]

I think we should science in me to block the science team from sneaking in and using it tomorrow to help them.

[brassherald]

I think we should science in me to block the science team from sneaking in and using it tomorrow to help them.

You know you get hit tonight, correct?

I get hit tonight but we still know that the science mafia cannot use science boost for today OR tomorrow, then. Buys town two days to find them

[brassherald]

I'll do natural wonders. Let's try it and see what happens

[brassherald]

Okay let's just put in the three bans each in whatever order

[brassherald]

FYI my picks are in

[brassherald]

BuJaber, your willingness to lynch pretty much anyone is unnerving to me.

Ban Ivory was my top choice, I think ban furs was second and ban gold third. I don't fully recall the order of the other two.

HEAL: Ban Gold x2
HEAL: Ban Ivory x2

VOTE: Kiana

[brassherald]

a penny for your thoughts?

Since replacing in, Kiana's posts have had one terrible read least and basically no reasoning in any of the posts. Lots of filter, like saying she semi recognized Martin Freeman, but not much else. She's actively inactive

[brassherald]

I meant about 2732 but ok, I can see your reasoning for Kianna.

Oh, sorry pre-coffee me. I could see it. Kiana is still my top scum read, though.

[brassherald]

@Mod Can we get a vote count?

[brassherald]

VOTE: ActionDan

Might as well move to another full scum read, if he's the only one with a vote on him... I would not be against lynching Ranmaru at this point, though. I am not sold on scum, but not townreading anymore.

[brassherald]

If it was Kings, I'd argue Protestantism is more likely. Catholicism had a Holy Roman Emperor, not a King.

Protestantism, on the other hand, and specifically, the Church of England would be the Kings, if Kings was a hint.

If we are going that way, Marshy is more likely. I don't necessarily think that he's a good flip, but following your hint seeking, I'd go with the religious leader who is also the head of his own church.

[brassherald]

And people tried to tell me my history degree would never come in handy... Granted I really focused on American History, but whatever.

[brassherald]

England had catholic monarchs too and iirc church of england was connected to the king/queen regardless of faith.

Not that I think this matters here.

Yeah, I think we are digging too deep right now. I'm calling it a reference to the Gods and Kings expansion.

[brassherald]

Gamma should not out what he will be using at this point or what he has. Please try to keep scum in the dark about some things.

[brassherald]

Gamma should not out what he will be using at this point or what he has. Please try to keep scum in the dark about some things.

Gamma is soft guilted, dont be soft

If Gamma is town, it only helps the scum to know what he has remaining. Even if he is scum, it only helps the other scum teams to know what else he has.

It's like if you are an X-shot Activated Bulletproof, you should never tell people when you have used your shots.

[brassherald]

I'd rather not massclaim
And even if I do say specific things about my role I'm not fullclaiming until I use specific ones

Do you have a protective shot y/n, can you use it on brass tonight y/n?

What if he does and the mafia has a roleblocker left?

[brassherald]

more Shaz votes plox.

You were just campaigning for Ran.

[brassherald]

even if Ran is scum there's still more scum than Ran. I can be dexterous with my play.

Can you direct me to a post which outlines the Scum!Shaz argument?

[brassherald]

Catholicism and Protisism are pretty anti-science and thus don't make sense on a SCIENCE wincon. Hows that for some silly outguessing the mod.

What are you on about with Catholicism being anti-science?

Copernicus was a Catholic clergyman. The Jesuits have been credited as one of the largest contributors to physics in the seventeenth century. Our current Pope worked in chemistry before entering the seminary.

If you want to outguess the mod, at least be historically accurate.

[brassherald]

Can you direct me to a post which outlines the Scum!Shaz argument?

Is it scummy that I'm pushing multiple people in a game with multiple scum?

I don't think that's scummy, I'm just asking for the argument for Scum!Shaz. I don't want to search for it, if you want my vote, sell it to me.

[brassherald]

Catholicism and Protisism are pretty anti-science and thus don't make sense on a SCIENCE wincon. Hows that for some silly outguessing the mod.

What are you on about with Catholicism being anti-science?

Copernicus was a Catholic clergyman. The Jesuits have been credited as one of the largest contributors to physics in the seventeenth century. Our current Pope worked in chemistry before entering the seminary.

If you want to outguess the mod, at least be historically accurate.

IT WAS A JOKE!

I think that

in the past

Catholicism has been on the side of "science bad!" but I know you are religious and I'm sorry if I offended you.

My point was that a50's outguessing the mod is ridiculous and I was being just as ridiculous.

Okay, I'm sorry.

[brassherald]

Look, I'm just going to say, let's lynch away from Gamma today. If we have a vig who truly believes Gamma is scum, they can put their money where their mouth is and shoot him.

[brassherald]

We still have WAY too many players to start doing proofs, let's just vote up people who have been scummy.

Kiana, ActionDan, I guess Ranmaru at this point.

[brassherald]

hello Kiana!
could you talk more about marshy scum for me? you said you didn't like his posts, but i'm used to a bit more from you and want to know how your confidence went up in marshy scum. (you said you weren't very sure before.)
:>

I'm still not very sure!

Please give us a solid opinion on anyone.

[brassherald]

hello Kiana!
could you talk more about marshy scum for me? you said you didn't like his posts, but i'm used to a bit more from you and want to know how your confidence went up in marshy scum. (you said you weren't very sure before.)
:>

I'm still not very sure!

Please give us a solid opinion on anyone.

brassherald is town!

Okay...

And you wonder why you were at the top of my list.

VOTE: Kiana

[brassherald]

Hi, I'll make a post before I go back to being one of New York's leading producers in fever and mucus.

My lynchpool today is Kiana, ActionDan, and Klazam in that order.

Why is Kiana at the front of that order? I don't think that's a correct order.

[brassherald]

yuck. Why even sign up to play if you aren't gonna care?

What country are you?

USA.

Who's the leader you have?

[brassherald]

I'm like really against a mass claim right now. We can revisit this in 2 or 3 days.

Hard agree.

[brassherald]

You have the cheek to ask me this when there are 5 other lurkers and my predecessor literally replaced out after 80 pages for me and I read them all?

but

YOU

said that you don't care about this game. My question was rhetorical and I wasn't expecting an answer. Ass is a know lurk/flake. dunno why mods even let him join.

I told you why I joined. I told you why I stopped caring. You have all the answers.

Ranmaru just replaced out. Joda and ActionDan are barely posting but are having less scumreads than me and are in my opinion much worse. I'm really not the only one here. At least I make an effort to say hi.

Its not just about how much people post, it's also about what they post. I'm measuring quality over quantity.

I think Day 2, Jo has at least moved into the null pile, if not to a townlean with some good, albeit limited content.

ActionDan has not posted much, and what he has posted has been pretty bad.

You have posted a good amount for when you replaced in, and you literally could not give me one read.

[brassherald]

I've gotten rude and abrupt in the past, but I don't think asking for a single read, not even a scum read I'm looking for even town reads, statistically assuming there are 3 scum left, you should be able to identify one townie.

Kiana, you are literally giving me nothing here. Somehow in almost 50 posts more than ActionDan, I still think you have provided less content. Prod Dodge all you want, but don't just expect me to not push a scum read because you have more posts than my other scum reads.

If you don't care, then just replace out.

[brassherald]

Maybe it's just me but I'm willing to allow a hurry have slide a bit for Ran, though not a long leash, but during my first game there was a snowstorm in New York, much like today, and I fell and hurt my arm. Typing was a nightmare for a few days after that

[brassherald]

Very much looking forward to the bullet dinner I am going to have Night 2.

[brassherald]

Fine, whatever.

VOTE: Gamma

Everyone, let's hang this someone should vig Kiana.

[brassherald]

Kiana is on L-1 by my count. So let's unvote and get gamma

If she is now at L-1, already lynched her, since I just voted off of her.

[brassherald]

- if he was really scum, why would he claim that action if it was scummy as fuck. too scummy to be scum? or just afraid to be caught

He didn't claim the action until it was pretty clear that Jodaxq had gotten a result of someone visiting me other than A50.

[brassherald]

ugh, i hate slayers gambit.

And this is something I tried to do Day 1.

[brassherald]

Hey guys can we win

lets lynch some scumbos

Pedit: Brass ok, i didnt get that

vote: Gamma

Well, it was before Joda came out and said exactly what it was, IIRC, but Jo was being so obvious I almost just straight up asked what results she got Night 1.

[brassherald]

Gamma is a terrible lynch. The only way he's literally anything other than what he's claimed is if he's orange scum religion spreader

We also have a likely guilty based on Elbirn.

Plus, why waste a watcher on N1 when I'm protected already, if he only has 1 shot of it? I mean, the smart play by a JOAT who has a watcher skill with an IC is to watch on a night where the IC is possibly going to die.

I also still think there's purple scum.

[brassherald]

Then again, Im thinking about gamma and I dont really get what he would get by watching brass as scum knowing he was protected either lol.

I mean, watcher is a claim that can occur when he did something else. A50 had already revealed to have visited, and Gamma is then claiming to have seen only him visit.

I don't know what the role could be with Gamma, but it could have very easily been something different from religion spreader or Watcher, we just don't know what.

If we don't get Gamma today, it's AD at this point. Let's finish the day.

[brassherald]

btw if I get lynched this wagon speed is 100% indicative of scum on the wagon

I'm the scum on this wagon, going to out myself as the rare Mafia aligned Innocent Child.

[brassherald]

btw if I get lynched this wagon speed is 100% indicative of scum on the wagon

I'm the scum on this wagon, going to out myself as the rare Mafia aligned Innocent Child.

pls
I'm not accusing you, why do you think I would

It was a joke.

[brassherald]

VOTE: ActionDan

[brassherald]

If anyone gets to L-1, I'm hammering. This is tiring.

[brassherald]

Re: Elbirn's death, four options here:
1. it was a death because he protected Gamma and Gamma is scum;
2. He was killed by scum and Dunker or Varsoon was a vig shot
3. There's a third scum team.

[brassherald]

Re: Elbirn's death, four options here:
1. it was a death because he protected Gamma and Gamma is scum;
2. He was killed by scum and Dunker or Varsoon was a vig shot
3. There's a third scum team.

Forgot my fourth option, sorry.
4. Combination of two of the above three options.

[brassherald]

VOTE: Klazam

Let's do it.

[brassherald]

Why can't we just wagon ActionDan?

[brassherald]

Why can't we just wagon ActionDan?

Does anyone town read him?

I have not seen a single person say that. Don't limit my choices.

VOTE: ActionDan

[brassherald]

ad town over klazoum anyday

On what basis?

[brassherald]

Also, I am currently reserving my right to make fun of people for their Nero reads if I'm right.

Haha, dummies calling Nero scum! Big dum dums!

I can do this as conf town, still.

[brassherald]

Since we know there was a neighborhood, I was added to it last night. I think Kiana and I agreed that mass claims are bad.

That being said, I think before we start lynching, let's get the World Congress done again.

FYI, I will not be telling people who else is in the neighborhood, don't ask.

[brassherald]

Okay, so ban Gold blocks religion spreads, good to know.

[brassherald]

Dear Caesar,

Fuck off with this gimmick, or I will start with a gimmick of my own and read all your posts as mouth farts until we lynch you.

Sincerely,
Pedro II, Brazilian Carnival Thrower.

[brassherald]

Dear Caesar,

Fuck off with this gimmick, or I will start with a gimmick of my own and read all your posts as mouth farts until we lynch you.

Sincerely,
Pedro II, Brazilian Carnival Thrower.

If peacekeeping comes back today then you should be made host not me

I believe it does.

[brassherald]

Senator Brassherald, your impatience and self-importance is wholly unwarranted. Great Caesar bids you act to your wincon, and not dismiss any source of wisdom or insight just because you dislike its mannerism.

Just provide this "wisdon or insight" then, maybe you'll get to the point where I just give you an annoying voice in my head.

As it is, I already don't like that you announced to everyone that you aren't even going to bother reading the game, and instead, somehow think the end of Day 2 is going to be enough to give us this wisdom. But, hey, I'm listening for you to give me a reason I think you are town.

So far, I think you announced early that you're full of hot air.

[brassherald]

Senator Joey, whence began thy treason? Who else have thou engaged?

i don't speak fancy and don't know what this means, though. are you accusing Joey of something?

And this is the issue with the stupid gimmick, no one has any clue what you are saying Mr. Salad.

[brassherald]

I'm fine with being the runner up, by the way. I also do not know how many delegates I have (6 maybe?)

[brassherald]

The other NK last night was directed at me, Nero probably Jailkept me.

Shaziro, why didn't you vig Gamma, then?

[brassherald]

I don't have confirmation, but it's common sense. Nero was yelling the entire Day 1 to let the Town Protectives protect me. I mean, it's kind of obvious.

[brassherald]

Since we know there was a neighborhood, I was added to it last night. I think Kiana and I agreed that mass claims are bad.

That being said, I think before we start lynching, let's get the World Congress done again.

FYI, I will not be telling people who else is in the neighborhood, don't ask.

Um I think it's very obvious it's you + Joey at this point

What if I revealed that it was not joey?

[brassherald]

Its time for mass claim, I only backed off pretty hard because nero softed a great pr

I hardclaim that i am a commuter , its also the reason why Kokichi disliked gamma commuter shot because i was his neighbor

popcorn to titus

Oh, shit, I forgot Joey said this.

[brassherald]

And here I was being a jerk.

[brassherald]

You know what, I'm denouncing Caesar. O mundo saberá dos seus erros.

HEAL: Brass for host x4
HEAL: Joey for host x2

That's all for now.

[brassherald]

Spoiler: My reads

[

Brassherald
Innocent Child
▓▓▓▓
Joey	Chara
Commuter	?
▓▓▓▓	▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓ ▓▓▓▓
Kiana Kaslana	Bujaber	Gamma Emerald	Klazam
VT	VT	JOAT	?
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Shaziro	Pidgey	Jodaxq
Vig	Catholic Spreader	Self Random Inventor
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Almost50	Marshy	Ranmaru	Titus
Taoism Spreader	Protestant Spreader	Last red ?	Last red ?
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@Brass what do you think of that list ?

I could get behind the scum reads, just not necessarily the specific colors.

Also, why is Klazam orange rather than Red?

[brassherald]

Provided no different issues arise during this day period, I think the World Congress should actually embargo Klazam and then we hang Caesar. Feedback on that?

[brassherald]

Where is Caesar Eats Salad?

[brassherald]

@Shaz/@Chara: Both of you casting your delegates (and at least one delegate is on brass) locks the WC. Thank you

Let's do this!

[brassherald]

I'm Japan, hence my first post in this game starting with a haiku, and I have Bushido. I'm a vig. I shot Dunker, and I shot Kokichi.

Good first shot. BAD SECOND SHOT. WHY NOT KILL GAMMA!!!!!!!!!!! Why

...
You are aware of what Shaz' claim means right?

>quotes my post
>doesn't respond

FoS pidgey

I don't know what you are referencing by what Shaz's claim means, but I also don't understand why Pidgey should respond

[brassherald]

Yo, I'm back to being not sold on Town!Kiana, by the way.

I want to do the World Congress before I think about the lynch, though.

[brassherald]

My apologies, noble Senators, for Caesar's absence. Maintaining a

nom de guerre

for these discourses is at times difficult and taxing. Proceed, but be assured that Our attention is now upon this conclave.

Spoiler: Translation

Shite, I straight-up forgot about this. I tend to just go to my bookmarks and respond to anything new. I forgot to bookmark this on main. I'm correcting the oversight and making this the primary account on a different browser.

I'll catch up, starting with where I replaced in, and have a full reads list up in an hour or two.

Oh, to respond to the criticism that I have time to play the gimmick but not read the back issues, bite me. 137 pages would take hours and hours to read fully and digest properly, and I don't have that time in my life. In contrast, coding Caesar-speak takes a couple of minutes. It's kind of rich to accuse me of being lazy when you people are objecting to reading what I have to say.

An hour or two has passed (and then some), still nothing from Caesar.

VOTE: Caesar

[brassherald]

Peacekeep is not available. I skimmed, and it's... interesting.

I saw Joey wants me to comment on something but I'm not positive what it was since I haven't had my coffee yet this morning. I'll post thoughts on the resolutions in a few hours, though.

[brassherald]

I kind of want to do the Olympics. It says it will likely give economic and diplomatic benefits to one player... Thoughts on whether we do that for a town read (Not for me, since I possibly would never see the benefits)?

[brassherald]

I kind of want to do the Olympics. It says it will likely give economic and diplomatic benefits to one player... Thoughts on whether we do that for a town read (Not for me, since I possibly would never see the benefits)?

It says the deisgnated player will have to make a list of "sports" and then vote on that or something, what about that ?

I think the events they list may help us in the end, actually. If it's a mod created list that the player chooses from and then have to publically release, we may learn some information from the list itself as well.

I would like more information exchange and I see this as our max information option.

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Sure why not, just know that there isnt any claimed protective left but we can still.

About the SECRETO PEPITO resolution, im pretty sure that its about PT, do you agree that theres hardly any town gain at this point for this ?

I don't think there is, too many moving parts right now and way too many variations.

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Joey could you do the Oplympics thing and still commute?

Depending what it does, if its a night ability im guessing i cant use both

I think we give it outside of Joey and myself.

I'm thinking, maybe we send it to one of the religion spreader claims.

Thoughts on Pidgey getting the international games which I call the Olympics?

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Joey could you do the Oplympics thing and still commute?

Depending what it does, if its a night ability im guessing i cant use both

I think we give it outside of Joey and myself.

I'm thinking, maybe we send it to one of the religion spreader claims.

Thoughts on Pidgey getting the international games which I call the Olympics?

On down to give stuff to chara/pidgey/joda (but it might conflict with her abilities)

I would definitely be on board for Joda and probably Chara as well, but I'm drawing a blank on Chara right now. Not because of anything Chara has done, but because I am bad at retaining information.

[brassherald]

@Brass i will embargo city states okay ? if im correct and this is a 3p, it will be helpful in the long run

Sounds good to me.

[brassherald]

@Brass i will embargo city states okay ? if im correct and this is a 3p, it will be helpful in the long run

Sounds good to me.

Can you help me parse A50? I kinda feell Chara and Joda have generally been hoodwinked but not sure on A50.

I have no clue what this means.

[brassherald]

@Brass i will embargo city states okay ? if im correct and this is a 3p, it will be helpful in the long run

Sounds good to me.

Can you help me parse A50? I kinda feell Chara and Joda have generally been hoodwinked but not sure on A50.

I have no clue what this means.

Help me sort A50.

I don't think the first religion spreader claim comes from scum after we just saw a scum religion spreader flip. At that point, scum would possibly just think it was a scum exclusive thing and decide not to claim at all until a townie outed themselves as a religion spreader.

Of the three religion spreaders, I think Marshy's claim is the most suspicious, in fact, because it would be a bad play to call out religion spreader if you don't know there are town religion spreaders. Then, the scum religion spreaders are also probably not going to chance a town religion spreader claim with a different religion because they cannot know if religion spreaders CC each other for town.

What I'm saying is, my town read is solely based on A50 doing something that is objectively a terrible play for scum by outing as town religion spreader.

[brassherald]

I was a little drunk joey lol

But mostly it was writing on phone. Girlfriend surprised me with a cruise trip so im in labadi drinking pinas coladas so while im up to date in the thread and with whats happening, my writing sucks and its hard to type in a phone.

But im up to date.

Titus seems to be a topic today, im not sure what to make of joda, gamma, and titus. It would be kinda weird if all were town. Just as it would be weird if all the three religion spreaders left are all town if another scum doesnt flip that role.

Dunno who id call scum though. Gamma is scummy for using the role as he did in n1 in my opinion, but titus has said some weird shit today. Has she said her targets?

It's even nights doctor, so, it would just be me N2.

[brassherald]

not even nights, non-consecutive. meaning she can't act two nights in a row.

Oh, poo. I'm dumb.

[brassherald]

I'm banning gold and ivory again.

[brassherald]

Fine whatever
He can shoot ceasar or kiana.

I want to lynch Caesar today, but maybe add Titus slot to this. That replace out was terrible.

Also, Klazam might be a good vig, I have to catch up with everything that was said last night into this morning, though.

HEAL: International games x3
HEAL: Denounce City States x3

Maestro if you don't understand what I mean by either because I think I got both names wrong, let me know and I'll actually read them.

[brassherald]

I want to lynch Caesar today, but maybe add Titus slot to this. That replace out was terrible.

Also, Klazam might be a good vig, I have to catch up with everything that was said last night into this morning, though.

i wish she'd answered me before doing so, but i think Titus could have been genuinely demoralized, even if i don't really understand why.
sort of gross to townread a replace out based entirely on AtE, i know, but i don't think Titus would do that as scum.

Okay, I haven't played with Titus before this game, so, I get that the meta may be there to TR that.

Also, unrelated to quote, but the pidgey choice was because A50 is a townread for me because of mechanics. Pidgey I think is town, but I wanted to pick someone from whom we could see information if we get to host fake olympics who is likely town, but not because of mechanics as much as an actual read. I don't think it's a scum slot, but we might learn something that will be more useful from him than from giving it to A50.

[brassherald]

If we really only have 3 people with no claims, let's just get the claims. I would say start with Caesar, but he hasn't been here and I'm guessing he will return claiming to be about to catch up after the next prod. So, Klazam first.

[brassherald]

I could have sworn I did this.

VOTE: Caesar

[brassherald]

FYI, Caesar has not posted in 4 days.

@mod shouldn't he be prodded?

[brassherald]

Hey, I'm here but not today. Neice's first birthday and short deadlines at work. I wish to not be prodded, and I work to make my wishes come true.

[brassherald]

Orange makes sense to have an invest, and Red having more offensive sorts of roles. Roleblocker fits more into the domination field. Science might have more investigative roles and no roles that actually affect other people's actions. Maybe a scum doctor.

[brassherald]

@mod a baby keeps grabbing any screen when I try to read so, VLA for the weekend

[brassherald]

Has anyone else actually admitted to bring converted to a religion, by the way?

[brassherald]

Hey, guys, let's get something done.

VOTE: Kiana

Discuss. GO!

[brassherald]

Pedit: Brass talk with me as to why?

I just don't see anything from this slot. Reads have been limited to one set a day, she's not moving the game forward at all, and she's complaining that her "Role's not cool enough" which, tinfoil maxing out here, moves the attention off of her.

she doesn't even have like a life event keeping her from posting, and from what I can remember Kiana is generally a pretty hyper poster. It's lots of scum vibes from her still. I should have stuck to this wagon yesterday.

[brassherald]

Furthermore I checked the activity overview and Kiana is on V/LA did she announce it?

I very much HATE attacking V/LA or RL issues unless there is direct evidence that it is false.

She did not say that in thread, just checked.

That being said, I would like to start more discussions. Seems recently people are talking at each other rather than to each other.

[brassherald]

Brass what about my pine post and his promises to read the game ? his reaction to my post etc?

I dislike his things, but I felt I needed to stir the pot a bit. I think a Pine lynch would be good, but we are stagnant since well before I went on my VLA to babysit.

[brassherald]

@mod Kiana was just banned FYI.

I'm not sure if that changes the fact that I want to hang the slot

[brassherald]

By the way, going way way back to when I couldn't remember my basis for Chara read, it was day 1 when she started calling me out early as I was acting scummy.

[brassherald]

I really thought I'd be dead by now. New plan, we lynch scum, not just posters who end up getting banned anyway.

I blame Pedro II of Brazil for all town's failings.

[brassherald]

Haven't they all claimed already?

[brassherald]

Pidgey said he targeted Nero night 1, I thought.

[brassherald]

Klazam, when did you get converted?

[brassherald]

I'm still here, by the way. Don't prod me.

[brassherald]

Brass, I would appreciate if you put a bit more effort into the game as Conf Town.

Sorry, I've been really busy with work this week. I'll try to get some more actual content in tonight

[brassherald]

How do we know Shaz visited A50?

[brassherald]

How do we know Shaz visited A50?

[brassherald]

I'm sure I have some thoughts to share. I'll come by tonight and post them. I'm going to be spending the day with my fiancee, though.

[brassherald]

HEAL: brassherald for host x6

[brassherald]

VOTE: klazam

[brassherald]

Brass you promised me some thoughts and effort. I shouldn't be asking of this from conf town.

Life's been in the way. I'm eventually going to be able to sit down and do it but every time I think I'm going to get time something has come up.

For now, Klazam and OntheMark look like the best lynches to me as I phone post.

I somehow did not project that yesterday I'd be so damn tired after a 60 hour work week. Today, I'm out of the house until the evening. I hope to get to it then

[brassherald]

I did read the game, but it was a while back and I forgot it already I'll have to read again. I'll probably be around like 9pm EST tonight

[brassherald]

Looking through, I think Klazam, OtM, Shaziro, ranmaru and Marshy contains all the remaining scum. I could be wrong though.

Joey was talking about the commute since night 1 in the Neighborhood we have, so I don't believe he is lying about that.

[brassherald]

Wasn't Shaz pushing this slot the previous day, too?

By the way, I submitted my Qorld Congress choices and implemented a selection of Joey and I's super secret option from yesterday's World Congress.

My top choice is to name Taoism the World Religion, since it is the only religion we are assured is a Town Religion.

[brassherald]

HEAL: World Religion Taoism x3

[brassherald]

HEAL: World Religion Taoism x3

I know, im sorry for sucking.

I have been so fkn busy, but not a lot has happened either.

This is weird, man, I figured you would for sure put some of your votes to Catholicism.

[brassherald]

VOTE: Mark

[brassherald]

So, are we arguing semantics now?

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Ok, I think I support a massclaim now tbh, but I'll go ahead and claim anyhow because NKA may just be useful here.

I'm Japan, hence my first post in this game starting with a haiku, and I have Bushido. I'm a vig. I shot Dunker, and I shot Kokichi.

Plus, this came BEFORE that post.

I'm the one that shot Dunker, but he already claimed two shots?

This is a bad argument.

[brassherald]

just for that I'm doing this UNVOTE:

VOTE: OnTheMark

I needed to vote him again for it.

[brassherald]

Your argument for Shaziro is that you "confirm" he killed Almost50, and he claimed 1 shot vig.

Both of which are pretty bad arguments.

I was going to use a bad word, but I know Thor would change it to smurfy.

[brassherald]

So, what you're saying is that Shaziro kills A50 because it doesn't make sense as a red or orange kill, and no other kills occur because Red and Orange I guess didn't do anything last night?

[brassherald]

Thor, may I have permission to reveal something Joey told me in the neighborhood thread, if you do not have access to it?

[brassherald]

Screw it, I'm not waiting. Joey told me in the Neighborhood last night that he had commuted Night 2. Therefore, he had not commute on Night 3.

OTM's theory is full of shit.

[brassherald]

Okay, I can explain the lack of a kill. One scum team attacks Gamma, as you said, the other attacks A50.

Done. This is pretty simple.

[brassherald]

Screw it, I'm not waiting. Joey told me in the Neighborhood last night that he had commuted Night 2. Therefore, he had not commute on Night 3.

OTM's theory is full of shit.

Say what?! So Joey is nonconsecutive commuter? What does this mean for OTM's role's viability? I feel like it lend's credibility to OTM's claim.

Didn't he say that ages ago?

[brassherald]

Screw it, I'm not waiting. Joey told me in the Neighborhood last night that he had commuted Night 2. Therefore, he had not commute on Night 3.

OTM's theory is full of shit.

Say what?! So Joey is nonconsecutive commuter? What does this mean for OTM's role's viability? I feel like it lend's credibility to OTM's claim.

Didn't he say that ages ago?

No he never said it.

Well, I thought he did, he's non-consecutive. He has it available tonight, I will not be revealing if Thor tells me he commutes or not from here on out.

[brassherald]

Okay, I can explain the lack of a kill. One scum team attacks Gamma, as you said, the other attacks A50.

Done. This is pretty simple.

Except as established killing a50 is a silly kill. It is much more likely an sK did it.

Town deals in most likely. Scum deals in what if.

It is much more likely an sK kill.

You are assuming that everyone is going to play optimally.

[brassherald]

There was a whole discussion as to why Religion spreaders would not be on the science mafia. But, Atheism is a religion option, therefore, if anyone claims atheism, I am immediately lynching them.

[brassherald]

VOTE: Klazam

[brassherald]

They forgot to submit a lynch, and the mod just gave them the first alphabetical player.

[brassherald]

They forgot to submit a kill, and the mod just gave them the first alphabetical player.

EBWOP

[brassherald]

Still here, was prodded.

[brassherald]

Brass, I see you posting around. Talk to me. I want you on the Mark wagon with me.

I was posting around pretty much as a mod, but both Mark and Klazam are good lynches to me.

VOTE: Mark

Good night everyone

[brassherald]

VOTE: Klazam

I've lost interest in this pissing contest.

[brassherald]

I think that's better than the Mark wagon.

Shaziro, Ranmaru, Klazam, Jodaxq.

@Brass - which of the above names do you think is most likely scum?
If it's just Klazam we can do that, I just recalled someone making some argument for Klazam town.

I hate read lists, but Klazam, Ran, Joda, Shaz in that order.

[brassherald]

If Thor is on a third 2 person scum team, who is his partner?

[brassherald]

Gamma.

And why does this pairing work?

I mean, at this time, Gamma just basically left the site for the time being anyway, so maybe a lynch there would not be terrible. I'd only really lynch Thor if the prospective partner flips scum, though.

[brassherald]

So, the fact that you were scum read, and the engagement on a scum read of yours which was not Gamma means that Gamma and Thor are partners?

That makes no sense to me. Your entire read relies upon Mark being scum, but I guess Orange scum?

Why is Gamma scum?

[brassherald]

Why did Orange not kill N1, then?

[brassherald]

I don't seem to have been replace yet so I will state Ran's doubling back on the read on me feels a bit sketchy
And I haven't been hard defending mark at every turn, that's a flat out lie

Are you still replacing out, my man?

[brassherald]

This is just weird. AFAIK, once a replacement is requested, isn't Gamma just sitting out?

That's how I run my games, unless someone withdraws their request.

[brassherald]

VOTE: Mark

L-1, I changed my mind on Klazam Mark, not because Ran has made any good arguments though.

[brassherald]

I killed Chara. Chara killed probably Ran, and whoever last orange is killed Shaziro is my guess.

[brassherald]

Chara was one of the surprise names on the list of followers of other religions. Anyone want to guess who the other was?

[brassherald]

So, you converted Chara?

[brassherald]

Also, we are looking for one Orange scum, we need to search for someone who could be a partner to both Varsoon and Titus/OTM.

[brassherald]

How are you confirmed town, pidgey?

[brassherald]

Chara was one of the surprise names on the list of followers of other religions. Anyone want to guess who the other was?

Ok I just read opening post lol.

So the other was klazam because I converted him to catholicism?

Okay, so, this is not going to be useful now, Marshy didn't throw out a random name and neither did you.

It was just Chara. The list was the two of you, Klazam, and Chara. I killed Chara because knowing she was in a religion and reading her iso made me really suspicious, I'm never getting hanged anyway so the hated modification is a good trade.

There was no surprise name other than Chara and I wanted to see the reactions of both Marshy and pidgey.

If you were converted last night, please confirm.

[brassherald]

I agree.

[brassherald]

I'm torn, Marshy more likely scum by play, pidgey more likely by claim.

I'm good with either order.

[brassherald]

Flavor, Catholicism is more supportive of the sciences.

But, I need to check something.

[brassherald]

Okay, no it doesn't. Disregard my research I was just doing to try to break the game.