Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:21 am

If you wanna hunt for scum shifting the leaders, evening the votes is not the way to go, and also literally everyone needs to promise that they'll stick to their assigned vote if they're town.
In which case for example a spread of 9 v 7 would mean that for scum to shift the votes would need to be at least 2 on the larger wagon towards the lower wagon, and if that happens, then we can start checking that wagon, We should also make sure the tiebreaker would favor the person u want to be leader so they can't shift it with a single vote, if you choose tho 10 v 6 scum can try and kill the 10 ppl person and win a 3v3 tiebreak.

What do you think?

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:31 am

huh that's 9v6 did my math fail at some point or are we missing someone, if there's 16 alive then at even wagons it'd be 8v8 and a shift should be 9v7

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:32 am

Oh you're missing creature, lol.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:39 am

I dont really care which of the 2 of us has the larger ammount of votes, i just said that probably one of the 2 of us should have more votes than the other, but not enough so that scum can kill one and win a tiebreak.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:42 am

Btw, im interested in why u want Drixx over me Math?

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:44 am

Stun what do u think of Drixx activating BP last night as confirmed by Tora?

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:49 am

In post 7490, Sakura Hana wrote:I could run for leader again if u guys want me to.
Although it's clear scum DOESNT want me to.
I picked BP last night btw, I changed my mind coz i thought scum would reverse psychology me, if i had have superpowers earlier i would've gone for HT and use BP, but oh well.
This also means that i can SS a BP tonight so scum wouldnt be able to power negate me unless they get SS and strongman me.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:50 am

In post 7586, stungun0404 wrote:sakana

that's a weird way of spelling my name xD

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:56 am

Btw the ppl voting toog should probably unvote for now unless you have everything sorted, FA messed the tags so im unsure if the mod counted them, and we need a contingency plan in case toog flips town (assume 3 scum living tonight).
Let other people's voices and opinions on the leadership be heard if we just force them then not only they have less motivation to cooperate, but we can't get reasonings that may help us sort others.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:59 am

@everyone:

Out of the currently 2 proposed leaders (Me and Drixx) would you rather vote over the other and why?, If you dont think either should be leader, then who do you want as leader, and why do you prefer them over us.

That should get the ball rolling while i take a nap.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:14 pm

Im having some issues with my IP and Spamhaus apparently, talking with my ISP to try and solve it, but for the time being im pre-emptively going V/LA because i cant post without a VPN until this is solved. I can still read however.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:24 pm

In post 7618, Sando wrote:
In post 7616, Sakura Hana wrote:Im having some issues with my IP and Spamhaus apparently, talking with my ISP to try and solve it, but for the time being im pre-emptively going V/LA because i cant post without a VPN until this is solved. I can still read however.
Do we need to sort out another leader option for tonight?

I only need VPN to post, i can send PMs and read normally.
And this may only be temporary, im hoping they call me back within an hour or so to see if it can be fixed, just dont expect me to post a lot.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:46 pm

I'm dissapointed that the people that have posted didnt answer my question, I even bolded and everything so it was harder to miss.
Also i think this is town Nero so far.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:32 am

Ok so, first of all, Nero, I remember something about you being lurkier as scum and so far you feel pretty engagy? enganging? dunno which word would describe it best, i wouldnt call it fail proof, but i wanna believe it.
As for other things, stun me being town just means im not going to mislead you, it doesnt guarantee that im right, i encourage people to engage me on my reads if they feel something is wrong, buddying is a weakness of mine coz i cant differentiate very well between town and scum townreading me.

As for the spamhaus situation is still not solved unfortunately.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:00 am

In post 7739, stungun0404 wrote:you said yesterday i would be heavily town-spewed or sth like that with a titus scumflip (which i took a mental note of). what has changed since then? i have not seen you really follow up with it. kinda like i spotted titus over the night phase never following up on toranaga’s alignment after a numbers lynch, which with titus being scum probs suggested she did not care because toranaga was town. not implying you are scum, as i am really heavy on you being town to the point you are nearly locktown, but i am just curious why you have not followed up on it this day phase so far.

Nothing has changed really, as for this day phase, at first i was too busy finishing out La Mulana 2 and that game was taking most of my time, and now i have this BS blacklist thing for my IP on spamhaus and so i cant post without a VPN, so im only posting as much as necessary.
I'm giving you information on what i know of Nero's meta, i asked a question to see what stances people would take and their reasoning but very few followed up on it. It's not like I cant do much if ppl dont cooperate. I dunno why people decided to ignore my reasons for TRing u on a scum Titus flip that i presented yesterday.
I'm trying to make the most out of every post I make coz I rather make less posts with more information until this situation is solved, but I keep drawing a blank.
out of your list TW and Kokichi worry me the most. I'm also pretty sure muffin was town and wrong.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:40 pm

Hey toog game isnt going as fast as it was yesterday, you have no excuse to be self voting and not game solving if you're town at this point.
Another note: Im pretty sure this is town hebi, scum hebi would've gone out the first exit that she finds methinks, specially with her reaction to being scumread, I just wish she did more contribution tho.

It also feels like whoever's town in here is relying on the townbloc to solve the game for them, Nero is a nice fresh breath of air in the thread considering Katsuki's lack of actual contributions, Sando's also very town, Stungun vs Titus isnt SvS, as I explained yesterday, even without the townbloc getting BP, looks like scum are just gonna get PoE'd out at this rate.

Btw Nero, since u were in street fighter mafia, i'd like you ask for your opinion on these:

In post 6870, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6869, Titus wrote:Sakura, you literally just posted Creature is lockscum but mislynching me is better because info. Like there are going to be vigs. I will die or keep catching scum. You act as if I have no value to town in your calculus as well.
If i didnt think there was a high chance of you being scum i would rather lynch creature yes.
Although i didnt mention it like that to me is like choosing between a mafia goon and mafia PR lynch.

In post 6873, Titus wrote:
In post 6870, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6869, Titus wrote:Sakura, you literally just posted Creature is lockscum but mislynching me is better because info. Like there are going to be vigs. I will die or keep catching scum. You act as if I have no value to town in your calculus as well.
If i didnt think there was a high chance of you being scum i would rather lynch creature yes.
Although i didnt mention it like that to me is like choosing between a mafia goon and mafia PR lynch.
Do you think I am bussing here?

In post 6876, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6873, Titus wrote:
In post 6870, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6869, Titus wrote:Sakura, you literally just posted Creature is lockscum but mislynching me is better because info. Like there are going to be vigs. I will die or keep catching scum. You act as if I have no value to town in your calculus as well.
If i didnt think there was a high chance of you being scum i would rather lynch creature yes.
Although i didnt mention it like that to me is like choosing between a mafia goon and mafia PR lynch.
Do you think I am bussing here?
Let's be real, what scum wouldnt bus creature.

In post 6880, Titus wrote:
In post 6876, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6873, Titus wrote:
In post 6870, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6869, Titus wrote:Sakura, you literally just posted Creature is lockscum but mislynching me is better because info. Like there are going to be vigs. I will die or keep catching scum. You act as if I have no value to town in your calculus as well.
If i didnt think there was a high chance of you being scum i would rather lynch creature yes.
Although i didnt mention it like that to me is like choosing between a mafia goon and mafia PR lynch.
Do you think I am bussing here?
Let's be real, what scum wouldnt bus creature.
I'd argue self-meta but this is a catch 22. Basically, I do well and the argument shifts to bussing. I do poorly and it's because I am scum and not flawed town. The arguments are made preflip. Every post, people avoid common sense.

I made a theory, followed it through to a scum lynch. Played protown with the power I had rather than saying fuck you you spammers and trying to win by myself. At what point is this feeling just drama repeating itself because players like Math have a vendetta against me and want to play hero?

Kind of reminds me of Titus bus on Varsoon when she was dying.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:12 pm

The leader doesnt choose which power people get, the people themselves chosen by the leader chose which power they want, so we cant trust that you will indeed take the suicide bomber over something like super strength that will bypass bulletproof if you're scum.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:20 pm

Oh for some reason I thought it was today.
Plan looks good, but tomorrow petrify is on the list again.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:47 am

Honestly tho, this post has been bothering me a lot:

In post 6435, Shiro wrote:Btw general Cerb thoughts

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FA's list should be Drixx and Shiro, and that's it nobody else.

Nos might be town, and math might also be town. However, if he thinks that if he was killed based on expectations people then randomidgets slot is a likely suspect, as are Drixx and Titus to a lesser extent.

He also notes that the kill strategys so far have been really good since scum go for broadly townread targets by the leader but not the obvious choice.

Can someone please tell me if im overthinking it? Cerb had a 75% town read on Titus and a 99% town read on Drixx, but idk if this means that there's a connection between scum!Titus and Drixx or im just getting paranoid.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:50 am

You're probably right.
Im also wondering why did Tora target Drixx

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:11 am

Well 2 things, on one if Drixx is as trusted town from Cerb's read, then Tora mimicking him last night doesnt make sense.
On the other hand Tora has claimed that Drixx used BP last night, even if Drixx were to be scum (which i doubt, why go for BP if you're scum) that's the only power they have aside from Tora being scum with him and lying.

Regardless of Cerb's read the fact is Tora claimed to mimic Drixx and saying Drixx used BP last night.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:45 am

In post 6978, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6972, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6924, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 6801, Sakura Hana wrote:
Sakura (9): Math, Nancy, Nos, Creature, hebichan, the worst (right?), toogeloo (?), Kokichi (?), Toranaga
Mathblade (9): Sakura, Gamma, FA, stungun, Sando, Drixx (?), Katsuki (?), Shiro (?), zmuffinman’s slot if not modkilled (?)
I feel like I need to quote this every page now >.<
Can i squeeze this in before thread lock?

@toog: According to this you were supposed to be voting for me, but you admited to not voting, there's your potential leader shift.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:45 am

Not to mention Kokichi too who admitted to vote for Shiro.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:50 am

In post 7580, stungun0404 wrote:am i missing someone? the voter tally seems wrong. answer: yes - creature!

sakura voters: toranaga (?), nancy drew 39 (?), sando (?), drixx (?), stungun, frozen angel (?), nosferatu (?), gamma emerald, tw (?)

drixx voters: math, sakura, katsuki (?), kokichi (?), hebichan (?), theta alpine (?), creature (?)

Something like this, i think.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:05 am

In post 8029, Toogeloo wrote:I'm surprised that you didn't push for 10-8 Vote split yesterday (doesn't matter on who), just to see if shenanigans were afoot.

I didnt think about it yesterday, it's something that occured to me today.
@Math: If you or Stun could keep track of who wants to vote for who, that'd be great.

Side-Note: Im starting to lose interest in lynching toog.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:30 am

The thing is Shiro was talking with Dead cerb last day phase via a game ability, and Shiro said that Cerb explicitly stated that Drixx was 99% town, there was also that post I quoted which supposedly also came from Cerb.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:02 am

That's the idea Nancy, problem is, that the day suicide bomb is availaible, so is Petrify

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:15 am

Regardless that's a discussion for tomorrow, and a problem for tomorrow's leader (which is looking like it's gonna be me), those powers are for tomorrow's team not today's

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:28 am

Ok, im starting to get it.
Plan is if scum gets power they either get suicide bomb and use it (and die) or dont (and get lynched), and if scum didnt get power nor is in the lynchpool we accelerate 3 game days of 6 questionable ppl dying (hopefully 1-3 scum dying amongst them) instead of 1 questionable player and 1 obvtown.

Did i get that right?

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:40 am

We still need to wait until tomorrow since we dont know how the gamestate will be by then.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:21 pm

In post 8200, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Math, why couldn’t any of the SB’s target someone in the townblock?

Do you think town would target someone in the townbloc or otherwise someone that they werent instructed to?
Scum certainly would, but they'd die too.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:05 pm

I do think that Creature has a higher chance of flipping scum than Toog.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:12 pm

Yeah, im 100% sure scum!Titus would tell me Creature is town because she has a non busing meta, mhm.

Like she got real annoyed by the fact that I thought she was busing.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:19 pm

Math: 7851 check the quotes there.
Nero: Creature, Nosferatu, Kokichi, Gamma, and maaaaaaybe TW.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:26 pm

Healing Touch can also both prevent and remove petrify.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:27 pm

Did Drixx defend Titus? I dont recall.
I do know Cerb said Drixx was 99% town... or at least that's what Shiro said Cerb said during mediumship.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:15 am

@Nero: If you're right and Drixx is scum then we need to reasses the other potential leader for tomorrow.
As far as Drixx goes, im sure a good bunch of people are just sheeping Cerb's 99% read on them.
There's also Tora saying Drixx used the BP last night instead of going for literally anything else if scum.
There's also Cerb saying that rando, Titus and Drixx make sense as scum that would shoot him.

In my reads list near EoD for D3 i also mentioned i ONLY had Drixx as strong town because of Cerb's read.

What is your take on all this?

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:18 am

In post 8426, Creature wrote:Hi Sakura Hana

Where are you at rn?

I'm at i want you dead rn.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:19 am

I'm not exactly sure who I would suggest, it could be FA again for all i know.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:23 am

An unpopular opinion would be Nero, mostly coz this looks more like his town meta than his scum meta, im not 100% sure how good Nero would be at replicating his scum meta at this point, but i've had a couple encounters with his scum meta and he was... way less active.
Another unpopular opinion would be maybe stungun.

It doesnt help that Ank and Cerb are dead.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:24 am

My point is mostly that if people do think that Drixx could be scum then we need another alternative. But im not exactly sure about who'd fit that right now.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:32 am

In post 8432, Creature wrote:
In post 8427, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 8426, Creature wrote:Hi Sakura Hana

Where are you at rn?
I'm at i want you dead rn.
Who else?

I mentioned it in this post here directed at Nero:

In post 8292, Sakura Hana wrote:Nero: Creature, Nosferatu, Kokichi, Gamma, and maaaaaaybe TW.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:04 am

Speaking of.
I recall that yesterday at some point I thought Titus was town coz she gave powers to town and not to scum as the leash forced her to do so, Math argued that this is Titus trying to be townread or get in the townbloc. In addition to that Titus was confirmed to have precognition by Math.
Now apparently the logic that Creature is scum leads to the complete opposite when we already knew Titus was scum and telling the truth, and even according to Titus wanting to be "confirmed by Ank" would imply Ank did get a power (but scum killed Shiro anyway so we dont know).

So Titus isnt gamethrowing but apparently gave power to town ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and got lynched anyway.
Why wouldnt scum!Titus bus creature in an effort to make creature look townier as she was going down?

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:37 am

It's kinda impossible to set up someone with black and white meta as mislynch.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:52 am

None here but.
I think Nero may have an objection to Drixx being a leader candidate, i was hoping we'd get that sorted out among

everyone

, if you think everyone should vote me go ahead, i am 100% SSing an impenetrable skin tonight, if i die anyways, then i hope you can figure out what happened.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:59 am

Here's the issue, tomorrow petrify is on the list, who is leader is extremely important and i bet scum is going to be all over wanting that sweet sweet petrify specially if scum has sneaked in the townbloc.
Everyone voting me, would solve that issue, BUT, if scum has ways of dealing with me then im dead and we get potentially a scum leader.
I am not gambiting to try to avoid getting killed, i am 100% doing as i stated so if i die, there's 3 options.

A) Scum was in tonight's list and got SS too.
B) Math didnt actually give me a power and so i couldnt SS.
C) Scum has a way of bypassing impenetrable skin on their own.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:04 am

In post 8594, Nero Cain wrote:What does the leader do?

For one, the leader is unlynchable and unkillable that day/night cycle (unless day ends in no lynch, then leader loses protection for the night)
the leader also chooses which players can get a super power that night phase.
Super powers can be obtained and activated on the same night they are aquired and multiple people can choose the same super power.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:05 am

My only worry is that scum somehow manages to kill me by either of those 3 things and we get a scum leader again.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:22 am

In post 8602, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I don’t know what would happen if two players used SS on each other, probably their rival actions would fail? I should ask the mod about that but that would be my guess.

No it's fairly simple.
SS ignores modifications and blocks.

The keyword here is "ignores" it doesnt block or modify another player's action.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:29 am

If my action is SS'd it cannot be negated/redirected in any way, shape or form because it ignores it, so a power negate even if SS'd wouldnt prevent me from activating Impenetrable Skin, it would however still prevent people from targeting me with super powers.
A kill is also an action, and Impenetrable Skin is the one that blocks it (impenetrable skin is a block for kills, so is the new ability that is a doc), so an SS'd kill with go through Impenetrable Skin.
Impenetrable Skin doesnt target, it's kind of a self-doc, so redirections dont work on it by default, but if they did SS also prevents such.

It can be a bit convoluted to understand, but that's also how basic NAR works in any case.

If an action modifies another player's action, the player's action is modified unless it's own action could prevent it from being modified (for example, commuter, nexus, hider), in which case, the one with the highest priority on NAR occurs, to avoid paradoxes.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:29 am

Anyway hope that's easier to understand, if not, well the first 2 lines explain the interaction well enough i guess

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:48 am

The leader thing has probably been resolved if and only if, everyone's okay with it.

Also I'm interested in what Nero's pursuing and I'm also interested in what FA may find by ISOing Drixx.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:49 am

Im also capable of hammering, I havent voted at all this day phase (which is kind of interesting)

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:56 am

I mean i was kinda blindly sheeping Cerb's read, which is why I mentioned earlier the potential link between scum!Titus and a scum!Drixx or if i was off my rocker for even thinking that.
And im pretty sure you know my opinion on that stunt Drixx did D2.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:02 am

In post 8632, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 8631, Sakura Hana wrote:And im pretty sure you know my opinion on that stunt Drixx did D2
What stunt?

At some point some people starting saying that they wanted me to be leader candidate, and then Drixx just came in and started shading me and saying that I inserted myself into leader position or something like i was brainwashing people via voodoo magic or something.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:19 am

In post 8638, Nero Cain wrote:If Cerb was town reading him and then once he got shot thought that "hey Drixx might shoot me." Why did you decide to go with the town read as opposed to his paranoid scum read?

Uh, not exactly? I brought up the exact quote here, because I figured titus flipping scum (who cerb had a 75% town read on) could imply that this was the situation Cerb was worried about wrt Drixx and wanted more opinions but i immediately got shut down (i think?).
I like your case, which is also another reason why I was proposing a change of leader candidates because Drixx could be scum.

In post 8638, Nero Cain wrote:y is this townie?

I think out of all the available options picking this doesnt help the scum win con in any way unless Drixx is worried about FA redirecting the kill to him, instead of something like power negate.... actually thinking about this is making me think Drixx might be town again ugh.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:25 am

In post 8645, Nero Cain wrote:Would Drixx not take a BP to look town?

It is possible, yes.
I'm just not sure this is the avenue they would take.

But then again, Titus did the same thing, they gave power to town to be townread....

DAMMIT NERO YOU'RE MAKING TOO MUCH SENSE xD

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:12 pm

In post 8649, the worst wrote:Skipped the last 13 pages anything interesting happen?

we are voting only me tonight for leader unless someone raises an objection.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:13 pm

Not sure if you read it or not coz it could be among the 13 pages, but Nero made a case against Drixx too.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:38 pm

At 7 hours till deadline yes

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:11 pm

you're right, after they die if they flip town then ill townread them and if they flip scum then ill scumread them

(not an actual serious post)

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:33 pm

In post 8666, the worst wrote:I'm absolutely down for this--isn't there a chance you could just die tho?

In post 8593, Sakura Hana wrote:I am not gambiting to try to avoid getting killed, i am 100% doing as i stated so if i die, there's 3 options.

A) Scum was in tonight's list and got SS too.
B) Math didnt actually give me a power and so i couldnt SS.
C) Scum has a way of bypassing impenetrable skin on their own.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:49 pm

SS bypasses negation.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:49 pm

...
holy shit i accidentally posted that without turning my VPN on, guess the spamhaus issue is gone.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:12 pm

In post 8673, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8662, Sakura Hana wrote:you're right, after they die if they flip town then ill townread them and if they flip scum then ill scumread them

(not an actual serious post)
Lol the sad thing is I remember this being a serious post from someone somewhere XD

Beeboy, lol.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:22 pm

Hey Nero! How are you voting tonight!

/flees

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:38 pm

The general idea behind splitting votes was so if scum kills one person they cant just get their own scum leader, the current case for me being solo leader candidate is that im gonna be flat out impossible to kill tonight unless any of the 3 things i mentioned earlier happens.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:45 pm

If you're in favor of the single leader plan, then me (unless there's another proposal).
If you're in favor of the double leader plan, then state which of the 2 leaders you're voting.

I think the single leader plan is ok, im just worried about the potential damage caused from me dying, but the info that will be obtained from such a result is tremendous, so i doubt scum would do it regardless.

P-Edit: The bombing ability would be Night 5 yes.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:46 pm

In post 8701, Nero Cain wrote:how do we track votes, is it public?

Not really, we know who became leader obviously, but we dont know how many votes any player actually got, and so far there arent any abilities to track them, so we have to take people's word for it or assume they are lying.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:47 pm

We DO know that there's currently 3 scum alive, so take that in mind.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:01 pm

Stun me dying would involve Math fucking up (giving power to scum) or being scum (not giving me power), or mod shenanigans (scum can bypass the BP anyways)
I'm not opposed to have a backup for safety tho.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:03 pm

Im always happy for any sort of "let people talk and voice their opinion" anything is information after all.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:04 pm

LOL xD

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:05 pm

I mean at the very least if i do die, that gives you guys something to look into tomorrow.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:13 pm

In post 8740, Nero Cain wrote:Who becomes leader if Hana dies?

The 2nd most voted player.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:13 pm

Unless i was the 2nd most voted, in which case whether i live or not wouldnt matter.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:22 pm

Ok so for easier understanding for you Nero, here's how it works.

Whoever living player at the end of the night who receives the most votes becomes leader.
If there's a tie, then there's a bunch of tiebreaker rules in the setup section, which are pretty easy to track around.

So let's assume the scenario of 10v6 which is the safest scenario where scum cant reach 10 too and hope for a tiebreak.
If i die and all 3 remaining scum are on the 6, they can pile 3 votes on their preferred leader (or 2 votes in a scum leader) and could win a tiebreak.
If all 3 remaining scum are on my wagon, then they can shift the wagon towards the 6 vote player (10-3 = 7, 6+3 = 9).

It mostly depends if u have a backup that you can trust.

Now as i said already, the only way i die tonight is if Math doesnt give me power, or scum gets power tonight. Which also gives information to look into tonight's team for scum (math included).

As for a difference in reads... If you think Math is townreading a scum that im scumreading i think Drixx would be the closest to that. As I have stated yesterday i was literally only TRing Drixx because of Cerb who is supposedly very familiar with Drixx, said Drixx was 99% town.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:42 pm

In post 8777, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 8771, the worst wrote:GOOd fucking god I can't wait to die

Anyone killed Cerb n1. not killing cerb n1 would be tantamount to scum gametheowing. don't gimme that "cerb nka = drixx scum" shit you all should know not to follow such a confbiasy statement

Cerb who has a better history of reading Drixx than anyone else on the player list hard townread him. a lot of us are townreading him. a few of us are scumreading him for pretty basic reasons. he has a tilting playstyle.

occam's razor says he's town here, reevaluate lategame if you need to whatever but we still have too many people alive to be focused on such a shitty read
But didn’t Cerb townread Titus as well? I think Sakura posted 75% iirc?

He did yes.
He also said that if he was killed for being Cerb or something, then rando,

Titus

and Drixx were the ones most likely to do it.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:44 pm

@ducky

In post 6435, Shiro wrote:Btw general Cerb thoughts

pm

FA's list should be Drixx and Shiro, and that's it nobody else.

Nos might be town, and math might also be town. However, if he thinks that if he was killed based on expectations people then randomidgets slot is a likely suspect, as are Drixx and Titus to a lesser extent.

He also notes that the kill strategys so far have been really good since scum go for broadly townread targets by the leader but not the obvious choice.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:46 pm

I thought Titus flipping scum made it more likely basically.
But im not 100% sure which is why i quoted it near day start and wanted to garner opinions on it

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:51 pm

I actually think Nero should be part of the townbloc.
This is 95% Nero's town meta (the 5% if he was able to emulate his town meta as scum within the last 1-2 months)

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:02 pm

In post 8790, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8788, Sakura Hana wrote:I actually think Nero should be part of the townbloc.
This is 95% Nero's town meta (the 5% if he was able to emulate his town meta as scum within the last 1-2 months)
I agree he looks townie I am just really concerned in general. Like I feel like he is working against everything town is doing. Which is a problem if he is blocked.

i dont think he's specifically working against everything town is doing.
up until now everyone was agreeing with everything the town bloc did, or most of them at least, having someone come in with contrarian opinions encourages discussion and finding potential issues with our way of thinking that we may have overlooked.

Opposition if necessary if we are going to solve this game.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:23 pm

Oh yeah, math, make sure u got ur team list sent to the mod, make sure ur decission of backup leader is final coz that's the one i need to be voting.
Sando and Stun, and maybe Nero, u can check in with everyone in which of the 2 leader wagons they want to be and make a list that satisfies what you guys want but also the numbers that we want, im fine with whatever you guys want.
Once everything's fine ill vote Toog even tho i have nfi if im hammering.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:27 pm

Not sure how i feel about 10-6 but if it's what you guys want.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:28 pm

if Nero prefers to vote me over FA i rather swap Nero with Drixx.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:32 pm

I also want FA to catch up and give thoughts before I vote. She's been busy, unless she's fine with the day ending and catching up during the night.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:33 pm

In post 8665, The Dream Weaver wrote:The day ends in (expired on 2018-08-11 21:00:00)

Quoting this for convenience.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:48 pm

Well im not Math, but the current gist of the situation is:

We lynch toog.
Me and FA are up for leadership tonight, and we have a small pool of players vote her while everyone else votes me.
I am 100% not dying tonight unless Math screws up (gives power to scum), Math is scum (doesnt give me power) or Mod shenanigans.
The reasoning for this is that im 100% using BP with Super Strength, this prevents me from getting negated but will not block a night kill with super strength.
So if i die you can use that information to fuel your scum hunting tomorrow.
If i dont then im leader and we proceed from there.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:49 pm

In post 8822, Sando wrote:Make FA's voters: Sakura, Nero, Theta, Sando

Everyone else Sakura.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:57 pm

Also FA im mostly waiting until you catch up and stuff once that's done ill vote Toog which will put him at L-1

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:24 pm

It went something like.
Nero said you were scum.
I said that if Drixx is indeed scum then we cant trust him as leader but that idk who else could be leader.
I think Sando or Stun were proposed.
At one point i dont remember when, I said also that there should be a buffer between who ppl actually want to be a leader and the backup so that scum cant fuck it up.
People wanted me to be the main leader.
I asked people what they thought of my idea of me 100% not dying during the night or something.
Nancy then threw that she liked me being the only leader candidate.
I said I had worries if scum SOMEHOW did manage to kill me, but the information would probably be huge.
But people kept convincing me it would be fine.
Then Nero said that we should have a backup JUST IN CASE.
And so I agreed.
But then we had trouble figuring out said backup.
And it ended up being FA again.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:26 pm

In post 8861, Sakura Hana wrote:Nancy then threw that she liked me being the only leader candidate.

Could have been other people involved too, I could've also mentioned it, I dont remember, but I do remember Nancy pushing a lot that i should be the only leader coz Nero made a post sugesting that she was doing so coz she knew she could kill me or something.

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:27 pm

In post 8593, Sakura Hana wrote:Here's the issue, tomorrow petrify is on the list, who is leader is extremely important and i bet scum is going to be all over wanting that sweet sweet petrify specially if scum has sneaked in the townbloc.
Everyone voting me, would solve that issue, BUT, if scum has ways of dealing with me then im dead and we get potentially a scum leader.
I am not gambiting to try to avoid getting killed, i am 100% doing as i stated so if i die, there's 3 options.

A) Scum was in tonight's list and got SS too.
B) Math didnt actually give me a power and so i couldnt SS.
C) Scum has a way of bypassing impenetrable skin on their own.

Oh yeah i did propose it nevermind!

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:35 pm

In post 8868, Toogeloo wrote:I have a solidified gut scum read on Theta Alpine. Lots of bells and whistles going off.

Stun, after my flip, check Theta Alpine / Katsuki's ISOs. You got this!

uhh Theta replaced muffin and Nero replaced Katsuki

Sakura Hana · Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:37 pm

Well I guess im going to sleep, ill check on what FA might have unearthed and whatever else happens tomorrow i guess.

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:20 am

In post 8952, Frozen Angel wrote:I also reread the last page of titus iso and now I think it could be distancing. Like titus was thinking: if they end up lynching me this guy might get a chance because of this and if they actually lynch them I get a bit of cred.

plus people were not going anywhere else so it was her only opening. I can't see any refrence to creature before that or am I missing anything?

YES!
This is exactly what I've been saying.

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:37 am

In post 8824, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 8665, The Dream Weaver wrote:The day ends in (expired on 2018-08-11 21:00:00)
Quoting this for convenience.

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:02 am

In post 8995, Nero Cain wrote:I have a question. How does one use a BP power? Like they are given a BP and make themselves bulletproof for that night or the rest of the game?

Single kill during that night and the next day phase, must be reused the following night regardless of whether it was spent or not the previous night.
To put it simply it's a self doc that lasts into the following day phase but only blocks a single kill.

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:03 am

Btw Nero if you

REALLY

think Nancy has high chance of scum, she's been in the townbloc and has gotten about 3 powers by now.

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:56 am

Nancy you need to stop thinking that anyone that scumreads you is scum.

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:29 am

Hey Nancy, here's a tip: Nero is not scum.

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:39 am

In post 9054, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 9051, Sakura Hana wrote:Hey Nancy, here's a tip: Nero is not scum.
I scumread Katsuki slot. I’m not convinced. If we lynch Drixx and he flips red, I promise to eat crow.

Ok then:
Sample Nero Town Game
Sample Nero Scum Hydra Game

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:40 am

There's another sample nero scum game but it was abandoned.

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:43 am

Bonus points, the first link also includes Scum Titus DOING THE EXACT SAME THING SHE DID HERE TO CREATURE, to her scum partner when she was getting lynched.

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:47 am

In post 9062, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 9058, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I literally pleaded with Shiro to take bp the night he was NKed
Also, I swore I read something about how ppl keep dying despite having protection. Is that a thing? Seems like scum have some strongman or such, if so. Why did you specifically tell Shiro to take the BP?

We can't tell whether they did actually use BP or not.
There's also an argument to be made that Ank died while she was trying to link Cerb that night, or that Shiro could've been trying to link Ank instead of protecting herself.

Hence to stop this madness i stated 100% what im doing tonight and if i die, then that'd be very telling.

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:57 am

@Nero: In case you dont get it let me explain to you this:

Any player that picks up a power has the ability to use it for the remainder of the game, basically, they become a PR.
But a player can only use one of the super powers they have per Day/Night cycle unless the power states otherwise (like super strength).

If we assume that Ank had both Spiritual mediumship and Impenetrable Skin on N2, she has to choose to either use Spiritual Mediumship to contact the dead or using Impenetrable Skin to survive a single shot.
Same thing with Shiro except on N3.

Basically put even if you pick up the BP, you DO have to use it instead of whatever else you'd have wanted to do that night, you are not protected if you do something else (Although now there's an actual doctor ability up for grabs).

There's a power that's been up for grabs N2 and N3 called Power negate, which stops super powers from being used or targeting your target, but since the scum factional kill isnt a super power then it isnt stopped. So if scum did indeed hit someone using BP, then they probably power negated them to nullify their super power use. This means that the teams of N2* and N3 are sus.
*: N2 was picked by Titus and we dont know whether she was telling the truth or lying but it's more likely the later.

Tonight there's a power called Super Strength, that prevents you from getting power Negated so you can still protect yourself even if scum has Power Negate, but if scum ALSO picks up Super Strength then they can do a strongman shot with it.

And that's the gist of it.

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:02 am

In post 9071, Nero Cain wrote:Do we know the n2/n3 teams?

We know all teams yes.
N1: FA > Cerb, Tora, Nancy, Shiro, Ank (Cerb died, he also claimed to not have taken a BP via Link)
N2: Titus > FA, Nancy, Shiro, Math, Ank (Ank died)
N3: FA > Me, Nancy, Math, Drixx, Shiro (Shiro died)

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:02 am

Or rather, we know the teams that are CLAIMED, we have no way of knowing whether those were the actual teams or not, other than ppl confirming they got a power. (N1 team is pretty much confirmed however)

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:14 am

In post 9081, MathBlade wrote:The only thing useful in these past pages is that meta link and not because it’s about Nero. It’s so I can reevaluate Titus+Creature

In that case I'll also point you that this happened on D2.
Scum got dayvigged D2, Titus was getting lynched or something, and by the end of the day she decided to make a bus push on her teammate Varsoon before she got ultimately lynched.

So what u want to look at the most is D2, besides Titus ISO can be quite a pain to read since she was posting memes all of D1 (Good thing i replaced in during D2 lol)

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:34 am

In post 9090, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 9082, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 9081, MathBlade wrote:The only thing useful in these past pages is that meta link and not because it’s about Nero. It’s so I can reevaluate Titus+Creature
In that case I'll also point you that this happened on D2.
Scum got dayvigged D2, Titus was getting lynched or something, and by the end of the day she decided to make a bus push on her teammate Varsoon before she got ultimately lynched.

So what u want to look at the most is D2, besides Titus ISO can be quite a pain to read since she was posting memes all of D1 (Good thing i replaced in during D2 lol)
Does scum!Titus usually do this? Wouldn’t that be against her wincon?

When you have a non busing meta, it did buy Varsoon a day or 2, at least i thought he was town coz Titus pushed him.
But now I know that she's capable of busing before dying.

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:56 am

In post 9103, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:So, neither Math’s or your theory is reliable then. Titus’ actions vis a vis Creature can’t be confirmed one way or the other by meta. So, the most likely explanation is that Titus got desperate and pushed the lhf, like I suggested. Which probably makes Creature probable mislynchbait.

Titus can bus, that game is evidence to that.
In fact the main reason im invoking it is because it felt the same way it did in that game.
Furthermore why does she invoke her meta when i say i believe she's busing creature? is she telling me the truth about not busing? like wtf, THAT would be game throwing.

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:58 am

Basically
>Titus is voting Creature
>Me: while voting Titus: "I think this is Creature's scum meta" or something like that
>Titus: while quoting me: "Do you think im busing?"
>Me: "Lets be real, what scum wouldnt bus Creature"
>Titus: "I'd say something about my meta but catch 22"

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:03 pm

At whoever wants to figure out Creature
Sample Town Creature Game (also some meta talk about Creature which was wrong)
Sample Scum Creature Game

Sakura Hana · Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:08 pm

In post 9118, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:his being the lhf is indisputable.

lol
how are you low hanging fruit when ur town and scum meta are like day and night.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:22 am

Well that was... an odd choice for a kill.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:28 am

well he hasn't been in any teams so im not surprised, if he's scum then Titus didnt give him power then i guess?

In any case today we discuss the apocalypse.

My way of thinking is that if let's assume 3 ppl get the suicide bombing, if all of those 3 are town, then they will blow up on their intended targets which are also part of the lynchpool, basically accelerating the game by 3 day phases except we lose 6 lynchpool people instead of 3 lynchpool and potentially 3 from the townbloc/strong townreads.

I will also take in mind Drixx's concerns from yesterday with the plan.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:32 am

Oh also im waiting to hear Math's thoughts on the street fighter game I linked, I re-read that day myself over the night phase, it isnt as 100% similar as i thought but Titus DID abuse her no busing meta by basically voting all her scumteam members or even try to lynch one on that game (which then coasted to end game because no busing meta lol).
That being said im also in favor of a creature lynch.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:52 am

i think black goo makes ppl cult when they target them.
But im not exactly sure if this is the actual goo roles or just some sort of goo mechanic or simply change the player's color.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:53 am

In post 9166, MathBlade wrote:
In post 9165, Frozen Angel wrote:What are the goos again and what are their colors and where can I see them
*shrugs* seems like a Fruit Vendor to me. Hence why I called it such yesterday

It's probably either some sort of reflexive fruit vendor, or just a way to visualize who targeted that player.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:53 am

In post 9168, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 9166, MathBlade wrote:
In post 9165, Frozen Angel wrote:What are the goos again and what are their colors and where can I see them
*shrugs* seems like a Fruit Vendor to me. Hence why I called it such yesterday
Goos are definitely not fruits. There are mafia abilities with colored goos and there are setups that uses them

This is true but all of them or at least some of them are kinda bastard in nature, one of the goos makes anyone targeting them cult.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:57 am

In any case i asked the mod what the thing does, so continuing speculatin on this is kind of a waste of time.
I refuse to believe the goo in question makes a player a Goo of some color with bastard properties.
I find it more likely to believe it's either a reflexive fruit vendor, or just colors people in votecounts that targeted that player...... kinda like a self.... watcher... wow that's actually pretty good, a public self watcher?

Tho ill wait on the mod regardless

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:00 am

In one of the touhou upick games i played there were player with the ability to color other players in a certain color (shown in votecounts) or that all players that used an ability would appear a certain color (also shown in votecounts). If this is similar it means you basically have a way to telegraph to everyone who targeted you even in the event of your death, so it ends up being like a public self watcher.

On another note it could also be a reflexive fruit vendor that just get a message "you got covered in -color- goo" when they targeted them, but that seems like meh for an ability.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:15 am

God that was scary, i almost thought you guys lynched Kokichi without me sending anything.
Just just as a precaution i sent something that doesnt use the bomb plan until we figure out if we're gonna use it.

As for the goo generator, yes it is a public self watcher.

you choose a color, anyone that targets you will appear that color in votecounts.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:17 am

Now the question is, considering how OP a public self-watcher is do we really wanna go with the bombing plan? or should i just choose townies so if they die we know who targeted them.
And if we do i think we should probably announce colors beforehand.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:30 am

In post 9329, MathBlade wrote:
In post 9327, Sakura Hana wrote:Now the question is, considering how OP a public self-watcher is do we really wanna go with the bombing plan? or should i just choose townies so if they die we know who targeted them.
And if we do i think we should probably announce colors beforehand.
How’d you get self watcher from that?
I thought it said another player?

Everyone that targets you would be publicly known by their color in the votecount.
So basically everyone knows who targeted you.
So basically a public self-watcher

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:38 am

In post 9153, The Dream Weaver wrote:Goo Generation: Until the next Night Phase,
anyone that successfully targets you
will be covered in goo of a single color of your choice.

I think you read it wrong Math

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:41 am

In any case, should I out who I give powers today or wait until tomorrow.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:57 am

In post 9342, MathBlade wrote:I agree he was obvious Town.

Obvious kill is another matter altogether

Well I mean.
Most of the obvtown has some way of defense, except you but you had Leader protection. With super strength on the table and they going for stungun i think scum may have PN, but not SS.

And yes i do confirm receiving a power from you, and I did exactly as I said I would.
So Titus gave power to a scummate instead of Ank.
And everyone in your team last night is town.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:07 am

In post 9347, Nero Cain wrote:So one of Nancy, FA or Math is scum?

I think Titus could've given it to an unnamed person that is a teammate.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:25 am

In post 9352, MathBlade wrote:The leader claims who we give powers to before day end
The people who got powers confirm day start.

Well, technically FA said it D2, Titus was forced beforehand because of a leash.
I don't mind outing my team today instead of tomorrow im just worried that scum will just avoid shooting them in fear of a self-watcher.
the bombing team is an entirely different story if we go that route tho.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:26 am

In post 9357, Sakura Hana wrote:I don't mind outing my team today instead of tomorrow im just worried that scum will just avoid shooting them in fear of a self-watcher.

Actually was I was typing this i figured that this isnt bad at all anyway

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:50 pm

We haven't decided that we're doing 100% the apocalypse you know, I'm waiting for Drixx to check my and math's plans and see if that PoV makes sense or if it's way too risky.
Nero, if you were given a power from those availaible today which would you choose and why?

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:19 pm

Friendly reminder that mimicry only copies the powers the player used that night.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:48 pm

Goo generator is the self watcher, Power Absorption does help you figure out which powers were used on you tho, but Goo Generator reacts to all targets so even if scum kills you, they'd be covered in goo and people would see it.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:13 pm

I'm currently on the fence of if it's better to just give power to all my TRs so they can have self watchers and leave us the scum's footprints in pretty colors or just go with the apocalypse plan, hence why i want to hear from Drixx coz i know he was against the plan yesterday and im wondering if what me and math said have changed his mind.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:35 pm

Unfortunately for scum, SS was on last night, and that means they cant power negate a thing as long as whoever picked SS uses SS. They CAN bypass a BP with SS, but if the player used self watcher OH FUCK for scum xD

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:36 pm

In any case if i do a color thing it will be

Pink

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:08 pm

In post 9410, Drixx wrote:1.) I took the doctor like ability last night and targeted our current leader with it. Figured it couldn't hurt and might save a kill. I didn't see any watch report so posting what I did in case someone was waiting to see what I would say.

im glad you actually tried to prevent a kill on me, but a power negate would've nullified it, did you miss my posts where i said i would 100% SS a BP?

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:10 pm

Technically there wasnt any guarantee that I would do it aside from my word, I did say it I would do it for the sake of information, any attempt at gambiting and then dying would've led you in the wrong direction.

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:01 pm

In post 9421, Drixx wrote:
In post 9413, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 9410, Drixx wrote:1.) I took the doctor like ability last night and targeted our current leader with it. Figured it couldn't hurt and might save a kill. I didn't see any watch report so posting what I did in case someone was waiting to see what I would say.
im glad you actually tried to prevent a kill on me, but a power negate would've nullified it, did you miss my posts where i said i would 100% SS a BP?
There's too much unknown in the game to be certain. I wanted to be certain.

Ok i get that.
But i mean, it's only useful if you thought i was gambiting and wasnt going to SS a BP.
If scum had strongman or SS they would pierce both your and my protection.
If math was scum and didnt give me power, then scum would power negate me which would also prevent your protection.
So it kinda overlapped, Im still wondering about the why of that.
I wanna know what your thought process was about it.
Or is that it?

Sakura Hana · Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:07 pm

Also i love how the thread title still says "Night 4"

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:27 am

I wouldnt advocate neither Nero nor Tora being the suicide bombers, if anything i'd think they should be in the townbloc. I only had my doubts of Tora coz he dissapeared, but it was justified according to FA and i like his content since he came back too.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:28 am

That reminds me I need to pick candidates for leadership for tomorrow dont I.
I have been thinking about it but i cant make up my mind.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:35 am

In post 9465, MathBlade wrote:
In post 9464, Sakura Hana wrote:That reminds me I need to pick candidates for leadership for tomorrow dont I.
I have been thinking about it but i cant make up my mind.
I would say to nominate myself and Nancy.

The reason being is the townblock likely is all town and I am using powers that mean I can’t use protection or self watch so maybe Drixx doctors me tonight and Nancy as the backup would remove the doubling up on leaders that Sando has worried about.

You 2 arent the only ones in the townbloc, I'm not 100% sure it's a bad thing to get FA yet again leader.
But in any case, there's something I just realized. Tora has an ability that gives him information on what people are doing, yet has no protection, why pray tell, is he not dead yet, specially over Sando if Tora's seen as super townie too. My theory is that probably scum dont see his ability as a threat.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:39 am

In post 9466, Sakura Hana wrote:specially over Sando

*over stungun

Damn those names sounds similar and I got confused xD

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:44 am

I was only thinking of doing something different, not saying that FA SHOULD be leader again, i just dont see the issue with her being leader again.

My theory proposal is Nero and Tora. They cant defend themselves but i can give them power so they can go self watcher, plus scum cant kill both (petrify doesnt remove a player from becoming leader).

Literally anyone else in the townbloc have a way of defending themselves, but if Nero or Tora is too much of a problem then FA can go for leadership too.

This isnt an exact proposal, but I wanna know opinions.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:51 am

btw Tora, hebi's a she

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:23 am

For the bombing plan.

[Creature, Hebi], [Theta, Gamma], [Nosferatu, TW] [Kokichi]

The pairs one of them will get bomb and kill the other, the solo is who we lynch today.
I paired Creature and Hebi coz Creature SRs Hebi so if either is town, they have lots of incentive to bomb the other.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:25 am

If you want to lynch today someone else, then lemme know and we can swap them around, but i need to know coz i still need to modify the teams according to the bombing plan.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:30 am

As for leadership

Either [Nero/FA] or [Tora/FA] or [Nero/Tora] imo.

I need to run some errands, I want to get this sorted out in less than 24 hours if possible.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:32 am

As I was walking towards my errands, I had some thoughts.

About the townbloc people.
First of all, FA was og Leader from N0, and there were some concerns about her, however, it is true that i dont see scum her giving power to Cerb and then killing him, specially when Cerb specifically said that he would get BP even tho he actually didn't. I just can't see her as scum.
Second of all, Mathblade. Titus was very reluctant to giving Math power and only did so because Ank said that she could control Math to not misuse his powers, considering Titus is scum, I think this makes Math very likely town.
Third of all, Drixx. Titus decided to not give power to Drixx but to Ank (the NK) instead, there are some arguments about Titus giving power to Drixx anyway, but Drixx's reaction to this relevation felt genuine. I think there's a high chance of Drixx being town here.

I think IF there is a deep wolf in the townbloc is probably elsewhere, but those 3 are probably the ones i'd be the most suspicious about mostly coz im pretty sure they are very good at scum play, so they were my priority on figuring out.

Now.
Here's a plan.
Nero and FA run for leadership, Nero goes for tracker or self watcher while Drixx protects Nero since Nero cant protect himself, Tora either checks Drixx again or checks Nero and then that will give us a ton of info on what scum may have if a power negate lands somewhere along those lines.

Meanwhile the bombing squad knows what to do.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:01 am

In post 9482, Sakura Hana wrote:For the bombing plan.

[Creature, Hebi], [Theta, Gamma], [Nosferatu, TW] [Kokichi]

The pairs one of them will get bomb and kill the other, the solo is who we lynch today.
I paired Creature and Hebi coz Creature SRs Hebi so if either is town, they have lots of incentive to bomb the other.

In post 9494, Sakura Hana wrote:Now.
Here's a plan.
Nero and FA run for leadership, Nero goes for tracker or self watcher while Drixx protects Nero since Nero cant protect himself, Tora either checks Drixx again or checks Nero and then that will give us a ton of info on what scum may have if a power negate lands somewhere along those lines.

Meanwhile the bombing squad knows what to do.

Quoting both of these to leave them in a single post.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:09 am

In post 9497, MathBlade wrote:And the last power madam?

I had already planned on FA so we were thinking similarly there.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:16 am

i will literally NEVER be in favor of a janitored vig, it's fine if scum uses it for THEM, coz they already know who's town and scum, but from a town PoV it just kills someone and then we never know if we hit town or scum and dont know how many of each remaining, as such, Any petrification use DOESNT MATTER WHO uses it im going to assume scum used it, so if you're town and somehow have it DO NOT use it.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:19 am

yeah i guess 1 scum left is the exception. But right now, nope.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:37 am

In post 9554, Gamma Emerald wrote:what is the plan today

Here:

In post 9500, MathBlade wrote:
In post 9496, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 9482, Sakura Hana wrote:For the bombing plan.

[Creature, Hebi], [Theta, Gamma], [Nosferatu, TW] [Kokichi]

The pairs one of them will get bomb and kill the other, the solo is who we lynch today.
I paired Creature and Hebi coz Creature SRs Hebi so if either is town, they have lots of incentive to bomb the other.

In post 9494, Sakura Hana wrote:Now.
Here's a plan.
Nero and FA run for leadership, Nero goes for tracker or self watcher while Drixx protects Nero since Nero cant protect himself, Tora either checks Drixx again or checks Nero and then that will give us a ton of info on what scum may have if a power negate lands somewhere along those lines.

Meanwhile the bombing squad knows what to do.
Quoting both of these to leave them in a single post.

In post 9499, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 9497, MathBlade wrote:And the last power madam?
I had already planned on FA so we were thinking similarly there.
Now it’s all in one post

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:39 am

Scum cannot kill me tonight (albeit they can probably petrify me, but someone can heal me anyway), so i can out tomorrow who got the bombs.
Scum has no escape.
If you guys want 2 bombs then i can readjust, the plan, but i dont think we need to go THAT MUCH safer, because the only way that's a problem is if all 6 of those slots are town.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:41 am

In post 9560, Frozen Angel wrote:assuming a scum gets the bomb and kills the main townblock

And a scum dies.
So...
Either they get a bomb a suicide on the townbloc and even assuming the townbloc doesnt protect themselves, that means 1 scum down.
Or they get petrify and are outed tomorrow.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:46 am

Okay this is ridiculous.
Power Negation lasts into the following day phase as much as BP and Doc protection do as well.
We dont avoid power negation by doing it during the day.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:53 am

In post 9587, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 9518, Frozen Angel wrote:Like 2 bombs seems a little bit slower and safer imo
So 3 obvtowns pick goo including Sakura and 2 questionable players bomb 2 evenmore questionable players?

it's me + 5 teammates, so it'd be 3 including me and 3 bombs (or 4 including me and 2 bombs if we go with FA's slower sugestion)

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:56 am

Yes, besides im giving Nero the freedom to go with tracker or self watcher, so scum dont know what they do with him, if they dont have PN Drixx should be protecting Nero tonight too, as for you Tora, you choose either of the 2 to check for power usage.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:06 am

I can do said table, I dont remember all the picks, but FA and Math can fill in the blanks

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:24 am

Well idk how to BB Code a table so...

D1/N1: Bulletproof, Siren, Enhanced Hearing, Medium, Phasing, Mimicry | Frozen Angel (Leader, Phasing),

Cerberus

(Mimicry),

Shiro

(Medium), Nancy, Toranaga (Mimicry),

Ankamius

Spoiler: D1 Descriptions

D2/N2: Double Vote, Enhanced Hearing, Bulletproof, Power Negation, Precog, Weather Manipulation |

Titus

(Leader, Precog?), Mathblade (Precog),

Ankamius

, Nancy, Frozen Angel (Power Negate),

Shiro

Spoiler: D2 descriptions

D3/N3: Healing, Bulletproof, Petrification, Power Echo, Power Negation, Shapeshifting | Frozen Angel (Leader, Healing), Sakura Hana (Bulletproof), Mathblade (Petrification), Nancy (Healing), Drixx (Bulletproof), Forgot the last one.

Spoiler: D3 Descriptions

D4/N4: Doctor, Roleblock, Bulletproof, Power Echo, Siren's Call, SS | Mathblade (Leader), Sakura Hana (SS), Frozen Angel (SS?), Drixx (Doctor), Nancy, Forgot the last one

Spoiler: D4 Descriptions

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D5/N5: Self-Watcher, Petrification, Power Absorb, Power Echo, Suicide Bomb, Tracker | Sakura Hana (Leader), Nero, Frozen Angel, Bomber 1, Bomber 2, Bomber 3.

Spoiler: D5 Descriptions

*: Does not count against your super power count
**: Can be used during the day but also counts towards your power count that night.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:25 am

Aw drat forgot to mark the abilities that can kill someone, didnt see that part

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:28 am

A lot of this came off memory, except the powers, those i just ISO'd the mod and put them in the list, then went off memory of what each player picked, I think I have a good memory for such things, but if I misremembered something feel free to correct me.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:46 am

Corrected, thanks Nancy

D1/N1: Bulletproof, Siren, Enhanced Hearing, Medium, Phasing, Mimicry | Frozen Angel (Leader, Phasing),

Cerberus

(Mimicry),

Shiro

(Medium), Nancy, Toranaga (Mimicry),

Ankamius

Spoiler: D1 Descriptions

D2/N2: Double Vote, Enhanced Hearing, Bulletproof, Power Negation, Precog, Weather Manipulation |

Titus

(Leader, Precog?), Mathblade (Precog),

Ankamius

, Nancy, Frozen Angel (Power Negate),

Shiro

Spoiler: D2 descriptions

D3/N3: Healing, Bulletproof, Petrification, Power Echo, Power Negation, Shapeshifting | Frozen Angel (Leader, Healing), Sakura Hana (Bulletproof), Mathblade (Petrification), Nancy (Healing), Drixx (Bulletproof),

Shiro

Spoiler: D3 Descriptions

D4/N4: Doctor, Roleblock, Bulletproof, Power Echo, Siren's Call, SS | Mathblade (Leader), Sakura Hana (SS), Frozen Angel (SS?), Drixx (Doctor), Nancy,

Stungun

Spoiler: D4 Descriptions

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D5/N5: Self-Watcher, Petrification, Power Absorb, Power Echo, Suicide Bomb, Tracker | Sakura Hana (Leader), Nero, Frozen Angel, Bomber 1, Bomber 2, Bomber 3.

Spoiler: D5 Descriptions

*: Does not count against your super power count
**: Can be used during the day but also counts towards your power count that night.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:14 am

So basically as long as [Math, FA, Nancy, Drixx] contains 0 scum we're good
So now is basically whether we do the bombing plan or not, I WILL follow what the majority people decide, 0-3 bombs, and adjust my team accordingly.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:18 am

In post 9738, Toranaga wrote:how sure are you that math is town, sakura?

In post 9494, Sakura Hana wrote:As I was walking towards my errands, I had some thoughts.

About the townbloc people.
First of all, FA was og Leader from N0, and there were some concerns about her, however, it is true that i dont see scum her giving power to Cerb and then killing him, specially when Cerb specifically said that he would get BP even tho he actually didn't. I just can't see her as scum.
Second of all, Mathblade. Titus was very reluctant to giving Math power and only did so because Ank said that she could control Math to not misuse his powers, considering Titus is scum, I think this makes Math very likely town.
Third of all, Drixx. Titus decided to not give power to Drixx but to Ank (the NK) instead, there are some arguments about Titus giving power to Drixx anyway, but Drixx's reaction to this relevation felt genuine. I think there's a high chance of Drixx being town here.

I think IF there is a deep wolf in the townbloc is probably elsewhere, but those 3 are probably the ones i'd be the most suspicious about mostly coz im pretty sure they are very good at scum play, so they were my priority on figuring out.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:39 am

In post 9744, Toranaga wrote:I'm 100% with you on drixx and FA, but I find your reasoning for math!town really unconvincing sakura.

I am aware...
I just...
I want to find reasurance that Math is town because he's the player im the most paranoid about right now...

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:09 pm

I think strongman by definition bypasses all protections no matter how many you add on top of each other. Whether SS does that's another thing and i didnt think of asking the mod, but by definition it does look like the same.

But at least i know your thought process now.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:12 pm

Can u guys parse a list for me of who's pro plan and who isnt like this

3 Bombs: Nero, Math
2 Bombs: FA
1 Bomb:
0 Bombs (basically no blow ups): Drixx

I promise ill take your opinions in mind over my own, and we can also use this as information to analyse.
Also leaders Nero and FA, choose who you want to vote. Tomorrow if we dont have 3 bombers then ill adjust my team list accordingly.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:01 pm

Ugh, this isnt what i had in mind, i wanted healthy discussion, not people getting mad at each other >.< Can't we all please be nice.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:07 pm

Technically Theta wanted to suicide, then duckling agreed and brought up the potential plan, Math then just reinforced it.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:06 pm

Btw here's a single bomb plan:
I put all 6 lynchpool into a blender, pick one and that person bombs whoever the fuck they want out of the other 5.

Cons: only 2 people die and both could be town.
Pros: Scum has a harder time figuring out who to power negate.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:11 pm

In post 9779, Nero Cain wrote:Does the superhero team get a night only chat like in Fire's game?

Nope.
I mean in the 3 bomber sugestion
it is true that scum can power negate one pair (since they only have to hit the bomber or the target so they can easily negate the full pair).
In a 2 bomber suggestion if we split them into groups of 3, scum has a 66% chance to negate succesfully on either group
In a 1 bomber suggestion, then scum would've to either hit the bomber or it's target out of 6, tho it needs a lil more math based on how many scum are in the pool, but yes.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:11 pm

I never implied that the left member would bomb the right one you know.
(And even if that's what you assumed that's not how i submitted the bombers)
Nor the viceversa either.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:11 pm

Besides im still thinking of scratching the plan if ppl dont like it and just proceed as normal.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:44 pm

It's okay FA I 100% understand you, I've had the same feeling towards Math's petrify and I can understand why you would accidentally step out of line due to reaction to learning that. I mean you saw what I said earlier about me not endorsing it's use at all.
I think just apologizing should be okay specially coz you clearly feel remorse from it.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:07 pm

You have to tho, as much as I can see you're truly sorry I cannot really endorse continuing to talk about this in the thread instead of the actual game.
But next time if you have an issue with a player in the game should just contact the game mod first, i think.

So does anyone have any further opinions on any of the bombing plans or being against them?

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:17 pm

Like i'm thinking if we cant really get a consensual decission because we keep arguing about the pros and cons and everyone just keeps saying the same thing then we arent going to progress. Most of the people in the apocalypse squad seem to be okay with it, Tora and Drixx dont, and Math, Nero and FA seem to be pro plan.

Kokichi has sorta dissapeared and has stated that not getting a power makes him not want to do anything, which is really childish if he's actually town.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:21 pm

Ok uhh.
I mean if it's really that much of a contention we can always go the safe route, it's not like scum can do anything to kill us (yet).

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:21 pm

And i firmly believe as long as we dont screw up with powers then scum will also never be able to kill us.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:28 pm

Well this game just turned sour.
Im just gonna go to sleep.

Sakura Hana · Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:34 pm

In post 9851, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Just saying, I’m also okay going along with the majority but I do think if we’re going to give players bombs, we should carefully assess whom we’re giving them too, which is why I reposted Nero’s quote, because giving the bombs to the wrong payers would be a disaster for town but if we can carefully decide which players would be the most trustworthy with the bombs, it could possibly make all the difference but it cannot be random. It absolutely has to be a very careful decision - one too critical to the gamestate to be arbitrarily rushed.

I mean.
I do not trust myself to be handled with the responsibility of giving the bombs to exactly 3 townies in the lynchpool (specially if half of it is town), if giving power to 1 scum can screw everything up i'd prefer to operate on the safe side.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:41 am

In post 9908, the worst wrote:Ausuka is #townsukaposting

As if there was any doubt that FA was town ._.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:59 am

Ok so.
I'm scrapping the bombing plan.
I'll just give powers to people in the town bloc.
If ppl in PoE pool want to suicide killing someone, instead make a case for them being lynched.
I want tomorrow leadership now to be Nero/Tora.
Mostly while I trust Ausuka to be town, im not 100% sure she's into the mechanics side of the game yet, nor how much she has read, I would rather wait at least a day.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:45 am

Nero: Tora
Tora: Nero, Ausuka

So we're doing this again.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:46 am

Also if people feel i should out who's getting powers today instead of tomorrow lemme know.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:38 am

In post 9973, Drixx wrote:@Sakura - We're running down on time. If we're not bombing, we need to be gameplanning leadership swap and power pooling.

Leaders I want Nero and Tora, at the very least for now Ausuka can read stuff over the night and if FA was telling the truth about her abilities then she can become unkillable tonight as well in any case.
We have 5 days within 24 hours of now im giving time to people to choose who they want to vote, then whoever didnt chose, sorry, ill just fill up the rest of the leadership wagons, as neither leader has protection although will be able to get goo it should deter scum a bit from killing there.
Current people that are getting powers are all in the town pool, but i can only choose 5 and im having trouble choosing all 5, i sent already a team but i can change it before day end, at the very least if for some reason we end the day before that's fully fleshed out i wont be caught flat footed.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:42 am

In post 9977, Nero Cain wrote:Isn't Drixx supposed to protect me?

Yes that too.
In any case
@Nero @Tora: In the supposed scenario that you guys pick Goo Generation please specify a color so if people are drenched in that color we know they targeted whoever of you.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:44 am

Current plan is both Nero and Tora run for leadership
Drixx protects Nero.
Tora can go with tracker, self watcher or use his power to verify anything between Nero and drixx.
Nero does whichever he wants of tracker or self watcher.
IF scum has power negate and use it, then they WILL leave some tracks behind OR let Nero/Tora become leader.
Whoever else does whatever they want

EXCEPT PETRIFY/POWER NEGATE

I think this covers all our bases am i missing something?

P-Edit: Yes i used IS+SS last night.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:48 am

SS by defiinition means it cant be blocked, hence scum cant do shit about me protecting myself from a single kill since i havent seen anything else that does an extra kill, except weather control and we still havent seen anything that involves flying.
SS by definition also means that if scum use SS while killing, such a kill cannot be stopped, doesnt matter how many layers of protection you stack on the target.

It is not rocket science really >.<

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:54 am

I wanna lynch Kokichi, possibly Creature.
Kokichi's like ugh... his play is so childish if he's town tho. Makes it harder for me to figure out if we's town or scum gambiting.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:55 am

Also you dont need me to tell you who to lynch DX

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:57 am

It's not like as leader I need to tell you who to lynch if you disagree with me, it's fine, I rather see people scumhunting than blindly sheeping... like. It's like I said D4, people just seem to be expecting the town bloc to solve the game for them instead of doing game solving of their own.

I like how you're bringing points about Drixx, I also like Tora bringing points about Math.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:04 am

Problem is, this looks like Hebi's town game, she hates being scum afaik. Gamma hell if i know, when trying to form a read on him, i cant really remember anything of worth he's done this game except playing catch up all the time.

I also hate how Creature says that he "cant compete with people" for post count when brought against him, when it's he himself that's been going away from the game instead of commiting, and on top of that, if we're talking post count one of the "competition" is a player that died N2 lol.
Generally i dont read people based on post count, although Creature IS lurky as scum, but that response towards Ausuka was like "what you're not even trying" when i read it.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:05 am

In post 9987, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 9984, Sakura Hana wrote:Also you dont need me to tell you who to lynch DX
Well, we have to compromise. That's why I asked you.

We still have 5 days, it's early to compromise. Well, a lil less than 5 days but still you get the point.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:13 am

In post 9995, Nero Cain wrote:thats was prob not the right word but we need to talk about our lynch I guess.

I'm not sure what you mean by "talking about our lynch", if you think someone's scum then vote them? All that needs to happen before a hammer vote is that we need to sort out who's voting who for leader, the plan has already been fleshed out unless someone objects, and no one's denying people from scumhunting or voting people.

If you wanna know who I wanna lynch tho, I could lynch either Creature or Kokichi.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:29 pm

In post 10005, Drixx wrote:I'm still trying to figure out what kind of inane thought process put you up for primary leader.

Because this is Nero's town meta with 95% certainty. You're free to look it up on your own if you dont believe me.

Sakura Hana · Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:50 pm

What vig? you mean that BS Janitored Vig that gives us 0 info?