Mini 2049: The Townsquare Game Over

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Hi

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I thought I confirmed?

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We should be kind to the mod if we want him to do our bidding correctly

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Booducks is a cool hydra.

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VOTE: Robert
Pedit oh lol.

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VOTE: cheeky

but I'm innocent.

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Hello everyone,

Vote Lady Angel

Till you post

Hello everyone. Who wants to come over for tea?

Lynch all liars?

I think this is either TvS or SvS.

I dislike both their page 1 posting.

First I don't like Robert saying they'll vote someone until they post - it's a thinly veiled fake pressure vote. Then I don't like the immeadiate unvote after Lady calls him a liar. If he was pressure voting to get the game going why isn't he moving his vote elsewhere to get more people to post? The unvote in this instance is scummy.

Angel is less scummy but I dislike her asking "lynch all liars?" instead of commenting on whether being a liar is AI for Robert.

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Yay!

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Feels like you saw their role PM in a dream doesn't it?

You joke but this has actually happened before >.>

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Aw my duck in shining armour

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I don't buy it either, but you better let me be for today at the very least (and I mean, if you are TOWN).

How classy.

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First

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VOTE: Themilkcartonkid

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VOTE: almost50
Still no satisfactory answer and its mindblowing you guys aren't pressuring this...

Did you ask A50 a question?

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Vote Count 1.1

Flavor to be added.

With 13 Alive, it is 7 to Lynch!

Almost50: (3) themilkcartonkid, Gamma Emerald, DarkLightA,
themilkcartonkid: (2) DuckDuckJab, CheekyTeeky,
skitter30: (0)
CheekyTeeky: (0)
Trivium: (0)
Thor665: (0)
Gamma Emerald: (0)
DuckDuckJab: (0)
DarkLightA: (0)
joges: (0)
Soviet Crocolisk: (0)
Robert2424: (0)
Lady Angel: (0)

Not Voting (8): skitter30, Trivium, Thor665, joges, Almost50, Soviet Crocolisk, Robert2424, Lady Angel


Deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-02 12:00:00).

Important Notes:
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The Game is currently in Day One.

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skitter30 is currently V/LA until 12/19 and will be permanently V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays.

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joges is currently V/LA until 12/18.

Trivium is voting me, kind mod sir

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@ddj how did he get this info as town? I cant find it in the role message nor the info? How is this soft townslip? Calling the stabbyduck as partner.

I feel like this is a garbage post. A50 has said he's overgamed and mixed the setup in another game with this one. In fact if you know anything about A50, the reason for your push is garbage.

First, A50 is too smart to make such a slip (of true) and is definitely too smart to then bring further attention to it by walking back his slip. This isn't even WIFOM it is just the kind of analytical player he is. This makes it a townslip.

Now calling DDJ a partner is just surface level scum hunting, it is more likely that DDJ is WKing A50 but even that is unlikely imo. I feel like you had to double down on your garbage push and now you're throwing shade on anyone that tells you you're being dumb instead of considering their argument which is anti-town at best.

What do you make of your two sheep?

Pedit make that 3

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Oh ok my bad.

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@ddj how did he get this info as town? I cant find it in the role message nor the info? How is this soft townslip? Calling the stabbyduck as partner.

Why do you think it's "info"? The way you're phrasing this makes it look like some kind of truth that I should not have known. *Thinking*

That's the feeling I got but then I was like...would Jingle put us in a game with no NKs? Unlikely. More likely that Milk is trying to PR hunt

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Why are you sheeping DDJ?

Wagons are a good form of pressure. I feel like you might be town from your reaction though.

VOTE: Thor

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VOTE: Robert

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@cheeky why robert and not thor?

I don't get why he's fixated on his defense when people were largely moving in other directions. Seems he's more concerned with his appearance than finding scum.

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Robert does seem defensive with his post but I feel it's rather honest. It's day one, so it can be pretty intimidating for newer players to vote when they know no one. I think this as either a town or scum read.

I'm going to

VOTE: CHEEKY

for punching down.

This is your first post of the game. Do you have any other reads? How much have you read?

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No other scummy reads so far.
I feel like your vote on a easy low hanging fruit, and that's pretty scummy.

That's fine I'm not bothered with your read on me. Just more curious about why you've decided to interject at this point with nothing else to comment on.

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No other scummy reads so far.
I feel like your vote on a easy low hanging fruit, and that's pretty scummy.

Actually I would like you to elaborate on this.

It seems you're pretty sure Robert is town by calling him low hanging fruit. Can you explain this?

Based on my voting behaviour so far this game, why is my vote on Robert in particular bothering you?

Last, why is voting low hanging fruit scummy early game? Do you think it's realistic to believe that he is going to be the lynch today?

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He's low hanging fruit because he seems like an easy vote to park on. Why do you think I think he's town?

Ok well does it make sense to accuse me of vote parking seeing as it is my 4th vote of the game? If I did just vote him and tune out I'd see where you're coming from but this accusation makes no sense.

Would it be scummy to vote low hanging fruit if they are scum? It wouldn't make sense for you to defend him if you thought he were scum, therefore the opposite must be true. Seeing as I've played scum a few times I think it would be more reasonable to say that scum would be more weary of pushing votes onto lynchbait.

Because it's too easy and low risk. And no.

In a vacuum sure, but you've taken one action out of context of my play today, which is far from low risk overall. It is easy but I don't see how that's scum indicative. If you don't believe that the lynch will go through then your whole argument falls apart.

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Weekends been busy and I didn't have any witty one liners planned for the pre.

What are your other reads so far and explain what do you mean by Robert acting defensive while everyone else is heading other directions?

I'm not going to answer this because you can answer these yourself if you're actually paying attention to the game.

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You're getting pretty defensive after my vote. Scratch my intentions, most of your answers were focused on redirecting attention to pedantics. You also avoided explaining your post about Robert

Oh lol. Yeah Defensive is when I point out your push on me is garbage - rather than seeing where you've gone wrong and can continue to pile outdated surface level scum tells onto me.

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You* not and.

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I thought Cheeky was acting defensive enough I was toying with the idea of calling the Robert vote from her hypocritical.

Again, context, people. I was responding to my strange accuser admist my own pressuring of other slots in stark contrast to Robert defending himself to noone in particular while doing nothing in particular.

Let's put it this way:

You come to the thread and see people are pushing other people, you decide to fixate on the fact people pushed on you in RVS, and say "Hey it was RVS" like 10 pages later and vanish again.

How is it towny to only focus on how you appear? Like how do you solve the game from that mindset? For all I know I could be barking up the wrong tree but I won't know it's a tree until I set it on fire (Cheeky rule #41).

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'full on defense posting'

I'll agree with this if by defense you mean offense.

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I'm also not voting you, nor did I indicate I came to a conclusion that you were scummy for that behavior - so now is the context of you leaping in to defend something no one is pushing more akin to how Robert reacted?

No 'tis not Lord of Thunder.

I'm aware noone is voting me (ahaha), I'm merely putting your words into the correct frame of reference before TW explains himself. And maybe because I dislike being called hypocritical. Am I being hypocritical? Does it really matter? Are you being rhetorical because I've lost what the point of this post was?

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I'm just confused why you seem excited by the idea that someone defending themselves, when you clearly understand defense is a valid and important play as either alignment, is a tell.

How is it towny to only focus on how you appear? Like how do you solve the game from that mindset? For all I know I could be barking up the wrong tree but I won't know it's a tree until I set it on fire

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I expect most slots to react to attacks - that's the game. It's the entire point of pressure votes, and serious votes, and the entire voting and reacting to votes concept that I would dare call "scumhunting".

Sure but that's literally all he's done. My point isn't that he's being defensive, it's the way in which he's looking/not looking at the game but rather self obsessed. It is a context thing! I disliked him announcing his RVS vote as a vote to stay until the votee had posted, followed up by an unvote - that would have been the right time to be concerned with defending himself. Instead he comes in defending himself when his accusers were looking at pressuring others; so it read like he froze when initially pushed and then reappeared when the pressure was off saying nothing much of anything except "I mean it was RVS."

Yes, it was RVS where you blundered but you've come back to x number of pages and you're still not looking for scum, nor giving any indication that you will.

If it were a player with more experience or a player I was familiar with I probably wouldn't take this path of inquiry, but newbies do tend to freeze as scum so I'mma see what I caught. You can think it's bad, and to be honest it probably has turned bad because all he can do is defend himself now. It would be easier to read people's reactions to my votes if people weren't questionning my sorting process.

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-_-' you're mean.

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Fine I'm a hypocrite. Good night.

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I'm paranoid Thor is scum too.

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p-edit why is this scum!thor indicative?

Check the games I linked. I could go dig up more, but these two were recent enough. NEVER underestimate Thor's scum game.

My hesitation is that by thinking this is his scum game we're underestimating it. He's also not dropped the tell I'm aware of.

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To elaborate on Thor, he has focused his sorting thus far on two main points:

1. A50's meta.
2. The intention of CheekyTeeky's hypocrisy.

On the surface these pushes look irrelevant or NAI at best, i.e. going after meta on a player this early isn't really going to tell you that much and so what if Cheeky is being hypocritical?

But I feel like scum Thor would know better than to make such wishy-washy pushes because 1. It brings negative attention to himself and 2. He's not going to get his desired lynch through.

Imo it's more likely he's trying to solidify a read on players he's familiar with than trying to look busy as scum as he has better ways to go about it.

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@cheeky, what lynch do you think Thor wants then?

No idea yet.

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Cheeky seem too...go with the flow.

if I ever go with the flow you should lynch me immediately.

What are your thoughts on A50?

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BuJaber, you scum bro?

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{Gamma Emerald, joges}
{Trivium, Thor, Milk}
{Skitter, A50, Lady, Robert}
{}
{DLA or DDJ, Soviet}

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VOTE: Soviet

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>.> sorry. They are pretty and efficient VCs though if it helps lol.

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where he was just this tidal wave of towny common sense

Lol I think Thor gets like that with his fellow man friends. Like I noticed Toranaga brought that out of him. Also that playerlist was OP af.

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DLA why did you move off DDJ?

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I do not like how long it took for you to vote. I feel this first post is you having an issue with A50's post. But you didn't vote until someone else did. Why were you afraid to start this wagon?

I don't see this kind of observation coming from scum.

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I'll answer people's reactions to my readslist later.

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That's ok I'm not unhappy with a Robert lynch, there are just other people I'd like to interact with for the time being.

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A50 why on earth would you soft so early?

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So you think Thor - who you've been touting as ze scum lord - fell for it?

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I was giving A50 the benefit of the doubt
But him claiming it was from another game felt infeasible imo

He replied here.

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He doesn't know if I'm for real or if I'm trolling, so he would rather lynch or at least push me to get a claim

I feel like you're missing a couple of steps in all your jumping to conclusions.

What's your read on the duck/Honeybubu?

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Alrighty, so I'm glad you guys are done jostling around. It would be nice to see you all sorting other slots.

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I've indicated scum on Robert, and town on Darklight and Crocolisk.

Thor why Crocolisk?

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Gamma has your thinking on A50 changed at all? What are you thinking about duckduck/bu and Skittles?

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{Gamma Emerald, joges, Skitter, DDJ}
{Trivium, Milk, DLA}
{Robert, Thor}
{A50}
{Lady A, Soviet}

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeky can you respond to my questions?

And give some reasons for the changes in your readslist?

Can you tell me which questions you want answered?

I read people's ISOs and hm and huh about it until it feels right. When I feel the need to elaborate I do.

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Crocolisk doesn't strike me as a bad player.

Are you familiar with him? If not what gives you that impression?

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Skitter for now these posts feel like stream of consciousness posting that keep milk above null for me.

I dont see this as partner interaction so if ddj is scum, trivium looks good

eh... I'm going back on what I said, this is null

Though, last time I pushed a newer players weak post it was the cop so fingers crossed this time

I like this as a bad vote by new town

On the other hand there is still scum equity in his voting/scumreads so he's not strong town.

Lady A is lurky af and did a wolfy popin when I posted my readslist with her at the bottom. I'd appreciate more votes on the slot.

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If anything that has been posted so far is going to make me TR robert it's this:

Yep it's why he moved to null for me while I sort others.

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I won't be voting A50 today.

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Mainly because I owe him/can't trust myself to read him correctly. But also there are other spots that deserve more pressure so we can PoE more effective later.

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Err Effectively*

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Why is over half the town okay with the fact A50’s first instinct was to use two of THOR’s games to respond on account of his own actions?

He should have been lynched then and there.

I don't understand your argument can you rephase or elaborate?

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VOTE: Lady A

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Lolwagons do you have any other scumreads?

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A50 why do you find Lady A towny?

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Ah ok. Can you link it?

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A50 I don't see a similarity in the meta.

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This felt like a very weird read to me, especially with milk now happy to park his vote on robert. It feels like TMI. Add in the inconsistency of him voting who he called new town. So I'm a little concerned by the milk townreads as they seem premature and misguided to me.

-BuJ

BuJaber you know you guys were voting Robert at the time of this post and you've only just moved onto Trivium. Can you explain why you didn't move your vote right away or why you didn't put further pressure on Milk?

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Omochan what is the point of you commenting on my posts sucking if you think I'm town?

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I'm pretty sure Gamma is town.

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Also why would Thor be at the top of anyone's readlist?

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i think that if you're town and engaging in flawed logic, getting you to abandon those lines of thought would enable you to find scum better, and you finding scum is just as good as me finding scum, so it benefits the both of us.

Yeah except you're not saying how it's flawed except in one instance and even then I disagree, you're just say this sucks or disagree. Just seems like busy work. I find it odd that you focus on my logic in particular in a game filled with flawed logic. Dissecting irrelevant posts allows me to look towny while not pushing on people directly as scum.

Given that you've alluded to knowing who Gamma is, I'm assuming you know who I am also? I don't see why you would ignore Gamma's meta if you're aware of him?

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I guess it feels more like Omo is trying to discredit me rather than "help his fellow towny."

As for the Thor thing, I'm leaning town but based on his ISO and his meta I'm not sure how anyone would be that confident. I look forward to some elaboration on this along with your read explanation on A50 and how these two reads are related to you if at all.

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Cool well I'm fine agreeing to disagree at this point as I consider us pushing each other as town reads at this point pretty useless. I wanted you to confirm that you're townreading me and to nullify any leverage you might of had in your posts criticising me from the possibility of you being scum.

I'll slink back into the shadows for now.

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A50 do you have any modifiers? Any setup spec ideas based on your role?

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Multiball as in a possible 3p/SK?

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Intent to hammer.

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I'm willing to wait until everyone agrees I'm not in a rush.

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No I mean agrees to end the day.

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People might have things they want to say.

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You literally softclaimed it early which pretty much insured you’d never draw the kill.

Am I missing something here? Why would softing ensure someone isn't the NK?

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You literally softclaimed it early which pretty much insured you’d never draw the kill.

Am I missing something here? Why would softing ensure someone isn't the NK?

A BP/commuter claim...

He didn't soft that though, and it doesn't provide any benefit for A50 to soft so vaguely as scum. He was only pushed to full claim a "anti-NK" role when wagoned - so unless you think scum instantly knew from his soft that he was commuter/bp your suggestion that he softed to never be the NK makes no sense.

Looking at the pushes on A50 I think he's right that scum were suspicious and pushed him to the point of claim - I recall saying it looked like someone was PR fishing - will relook.

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@CT: I'm alright being hammered. Get me out of here, please. (Jingle said he would consider it game throwing if I hammered myself, so I can't do it )

A50 I'm not going to hammer you I just wanted to see what crawled out of the woodwork.

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I will say you're the best info lynch currently though lol.

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A50 what are your thoughts on milk's 180?

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@ddj how did he get this info as town? I cant find it in the role message nor the info? How is this soft townslip? Calling the stabbyduck as partner.

Why do you think it's "info"? The way you're phrasing this makes it look like some kind of truth that I should not have known. *Thinking*

That's the feeling I got but then I was like...would Jingle put us in a game with no NKs? Unlikely. More likely that Milk is trying to PR hunt

Wham bam thank you ma'am.

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This series of posts comes around the time I suggest milk is PR hunting.

Spoiler:

@ddj how did he get this info as town? I cant find it in the role message nor the info? How is this soft townslip? Calling the stabbyduck as partner.

I feel like this is a garbage post. A50 has said he's overgamed and mixed the setup in another game with this one. In fact if you know anything about A50, the reason for your push is garbage.

First, A50 is too smart to make such a slip (of true) and is definitely too smart to then bring further attention to it by walking back his slip. This isn't even WIFOM it is just the kind of analytical player he is. This makes it a townslip.

Now calling DDJ a partner is just surface level scum hunting, it is more likely that DDJ is WKing A50 but even that is unlikely imo. I feel like you had to double down on your garbage push and now you're throwing shade on anyone that tells you you're being dumb instead of considering their argument which is anti-town at best.

What do you make of your two sheep?

Pedit make that 3

I'm in way over my head i think. I don't get the global doc thing, but okay. This seems town. UNVOTE:
Gamma hasn't added much, basically just parroted iirc
I don't think much about Thor yet, but I can see A50 not needing to talk about other alts bc open games. Still iffy, but I get it.
Who's the other one? robert? I don't think much about him either except the awkward that was his defense of RVS.
Why are you sheeping DDJ?

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VOTE: Thor

@milky, if there is no NK we should look at a50
Realistically it's such a a dense slip it's more likely to come from another game than acrually come from scum (A50 is also good scum )

@cheeky why robert and not thor?

Accidental quote. Mobile

Mm okay. I like you for town. I'll bite. VOTE: robert

I think his rubber arm is scum indicative. Allow to translate:

Cheeky - "your push is scummy"
Milk - "oh I'm in over my head"
Milk - "hey look at these shiny players, which one?"
Cheeky - "Robert"
Milk - "cool, hopefully he isn't a PR coz I'm totally not PR hunting, I'll vote with you, now stop focusing on me"

Then when I intent to hammer A50 - he's all "hey guys lynching PRs are bad allow me to be LAMIST and exit the PR wagon while pushing the obv town lolwagons so I manoeuvre a better position for myself tomorrow"

VOTE: Milk

[CheekyTeeky]

WAIT! I hope that's not an indication she's planning to off me while I'm asleep. Is it?

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Don’t get the obvtown read on me I think

It’s honesty kind of frustrating with you insulting my intelligence

Yeah I could tell. For you to out your alt/main to clear your intelligence level just solidifies my read on you.

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Why do you look for PRs as town?

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Cheeky, read how fast this escalated. I was/am-ish suspicious of how quickly lolwagon jumped on this.

Lolwagons jumped on A50 as soon as he entered, I escalated things by announcing my intent. Why did it take A50 being hammered at any moment for you to decide something was wrong?

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TW & Buj are so cute.

Robert it basically means when one scum defends town thinking they'll get towncred for it. Check out the wiki.

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Buj why are you suspecting Gamma, am I silly to townread him here?

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I feel the A50 lynch wagon has gain so much momentem so quickly, makes me nervous. While he's annoying I'm not sure he's for sure scum.

Unvote

How come all your votes only seem to follow along with what the last several votes have been?

the TMI part was him saying "new town". Why did he jump to that? Why isn't it a bad vote by scum? Sounds like he knows he's town.

Because they're both scum. Dun na na naaaa.

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no one does a low hanging fruit meta style attack without knowing basic game terms, understanding theory, and probably having played a few times - he isn't derping as far as I can see.

I didn't realise knowing game turns was towny. If I extend your argument:

Crocolisk isn't a bad player because he knows game terms and hasn't derped. Therefore he's unlikely to play badly as scum.

I don't know how palatable this is as a read. First, people tend to favour one alignment over another so whilst they may appear 'knowledgeable' it's a bit of a reach to conclude that therefore they would be too skilled to pl

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Oh eff. I pushed sumbit...hold up.

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no one does a low hanging fruit meta style attack without knowing basic game terms, understanding theory, and probably having played a few times - he isn't derping as far as I can see.

I didn't realise knowing game turns was towny. If I extend your argument:

Crocolisk isn't a bad player because he knows game terms and hasn't derped. Therefore he's unlikely to play badly as scum.

I don't know how palatable this is as a read. First, people tend to favour one alignment over another so whilst they may appear 'knowledgeable' it's a bit of a reach to conclude that therefore they would be too skilled to play as unskilled scum. Second that's all this player had done, push on me using technical terms; but he's now been replaced and I do townread lolwagons. I'm left wondering how you made that read based on nothing much

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If you take what I said and boil it down to minutiae I get your angle of attack.
But I have a hard time believing that you think I'm actually saying what you're arguing about so I kind of fail to see the point.

What are you saying then? Would you like me to quote your read to show you how that's explicitly what it reads like?

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I'm trying to understand your point of view. You've dodged again.

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Ehhhh. It's too nice a day to be frustrated by you today.

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Ehhhh. It's too nice a day to be frustrated by you today.

I was trying to avoid the derp, you claimed I was dodging, now are you dodging?

Yes I'm dodging now because if you're going to keep attacking my argument instead of trying to help me see that your read wasn’t rubbish you pulled out of your ass then this isn't a line of enquiry that's going to help me determine your alignment.

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Why are you trying to understand me by straw manning me? You *had* to know that was a straw man?
Why not just ask for clarification?

So it might be a strawman to you but it was my intent to show you how I read it, and push you to explain how you came to conclusion Crocolisk was town based on his nothing iso (imo).

I've been asking for clarification:

I'm left wondering how you made that read based on nothing much

Or

What are you saying then? Would you like me to quote your read to show you how that's explicitly what it reads like?

Or

I'm trying to understand your point of view.

[CheekyTeeky]

Gamma what do you think about DDJ saying you should've known better than to pile on A50's weird entrance?

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Also why would Thor be at the top of anyone's readlist?

Are you scumreading Thor? If so why?

No. He's oscillating around null.

He is both scum and town telling from what I know of his meta so yeah.

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coming back to give a more detailed answer than just ok and uhh

And then another 1-2 scum in {thor/gamma/omochao, trivium}

i am trivium btw
dw i forgot too

Why did you switch accounts
The fact you did that honestly grosses me the fuck out. Like I can think of a couple reasons why, all of them are shitty and not pro-town.
VOTE: Omochao

Lmao. Gamma is a cute read too.

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The dude didn't switch accounts you derp heads. They're saying that they keep forgetting they replaced Trivium and misunderstood that duckjab had listed the read on them for both players of the same slot.

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coming back to give a more detailed answer than just ok and uhh

And then another 1-2 scum in {thor/gamma/omochao, trivium}

i am trivium btw
dw i forgot too

Why did you switch accounts
The fact you did that honestly grosses me the fuck out. Like I can think of a couple reasons why, all of them are shitty and not pro-town.
VOTE: Omochao

Lmao. Gamma is a cute read too.

What does that even mean

It means you being so derpy is adorable. I've already cute read Bu and Ducks for their adoration of each other. 'Tis rubbish fluff posting tbh.

[CheekyTeeky]

{lolwagons, DDJ, Omochao}
{DLA, skitter, joges, Gamma Emerald}
{}
{A50, Lady A, Thor}
{Milk, Robert}

[CheekyTeeky]

If Robert flips scum it's unlikely he's SvS with Angel. And obviously Thor not SvS with A50.

[CheekyTeeky]

nah let him get to the end of his dialogue tree

Joke's on you, it's a bottomless dialogue hole.

[CheekyTeeky]

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Also, Merry Xmas from NZ xx.

[CheekyTeeky]

Skitter I like your A50/milk theory. Assuming 3 scum I could see Robert/milk/A50 or Thor. Pure preflip tinfoiling atm. I'm happy to lynch in this group excluding A50 today as I think that he become more obvious as others flip.

Down to lynch when others are ready.

[CheekyTeeky]

So nobody posted while they're drunk it appears.

Oh I thought everyone was drunk posting.

[CheekyTeeky]

Maybe if we lynch Thor we get rid of the problem?

[CheekyTeeky]

gamma you going to actually effort instead of pretending to?

[CheekyTeeky]

Gamma can you please skim Omo and LolWagons and relook at your reads?

[CheekyTeeky]

So, "if you were scum" you would not have shot me because "you got that I claimed some sort of NK interrupting ability|? Is that what you're saying?

Being MASSIVELY GENEROUS I got this.
And it's really a defense post.
And it was from like five days ago.
And it's not like his posting was awash with scumhunting prior to that.
And he had no follow up.

He's not scumhunting.
Why am I the only one who sees this?

Not scumhunting isn't AI for A50 as I found out the hard way. He tends to become obsessed with his gambits in a way that disengages from the scumhunting aspect of his game. I get why you suspect him and there are other reasons to, like he's clearly given up/isn't using info from his "reaction test," his weird walkback after entering (which spews gamma town for noticing more than anything else) BUT I think there are better lynches today because A50 will become more obvious or more useful as the game progresses. There's more than one scum in this game so you vanity voting whilst frustrating players are two scum tells I'm aware of.

[CheekyTeeky]

why will that change exactly?

...there will be more info available tomorrow? If it doesn't change we just lynch him tomorrow. It's pretty simple actually..

I'm not frustrating any players other than ones who get weirdly tweaked by me pointing out they're scummy

To put it bluntly your push on A50 was shit, the push on me was shit and so was the push on Omo. If your pushes look like NAI bs that somehow only you can decipher into something AI then you're frustrating people. There's one hot button you haven't pushed yet but I see it coming.

[CheekyTeeky]

So, wouldn't that apply to literally every lynch option?
How does it apply specially to A50?

A50 is a mechanical player who narrows down teams well on associatives. With more info he specifically will become more obvious. I don't know other players so I'd rather keep someone I know I can sort and who will be useful if town.

Why are you so peeved all of a sudden?

I'm not peeved I was explaining one of your scum tells which I recognize as the level of pointless frustration I see generated by your actions.

[CheekyTeeky]

Hi! I'm here sorry.

[CheekyTeeky]

Vote Count 1.12

Flavor to be added.

With 13 Alive, it is 7 to Lynch!

themilkcartonkid: (4) CheekyTeeky (511), DuckDuckJab (522), Omochao (592), LolWagons (625),
Almost50: (2) Thor665 (98), DarkLightA (414),
Thor665: (2) themilkcartonkid (711), skitter30 (713),
Gamma Emerald: (1) joges (266),
Robert2424: (1) Lady Angel (326),
Lady Angel: (1) Gamma Emerald (699),
LolWagons: (0)
Omochao: (0)
CheekyTeeky: (0)
joges: (0)
DuckDuckJab: (0)
skitter30: (0)
DarkLightA: (0)

Not Voting (2): Almost50 (327), Robert2424 (519)


Deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-02 12:00:00).

Important Notes:
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The Game is currently in Day One.

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skitter30 is permanently V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays.

So we are kinda running out of time. Probably a good idea to start consolidating.

I could vote Lady or Thor.

[CheekyTeeky]

Hopefully Joges and FN can catch up in the next couple of days and give some reads.

I'd also like Duck to explain their skitter read after Angel has explained their read.

[CheekyTeeky]

Flubber have you finished catching up?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Thor

L-1.

[CheekyTeeky]

How boring.

VOTE: Milk

[CheekyTeeky]

I just want you gone and had DDJ snap me out of apathy. But it wouldn't take much to push me back.

VOTE: Thor

[CheekyTeeky]

Is this the part where we flash lynch Robert?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Robert

[CheekyTeeky]

Joges are you going to contribute anything before deadline?

[CheekyTeeky]

I want such a post to be a long post so I'm gathering my notes.

Hey I'd still like these thoughts.

[CheekyTeeky]

Great shot vig!...wait what happened to the scum kill?

[CheekyTeeky]

I want to say that DLA's hammer was almost too scummy to be scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

Flubbernugget replaced lolwagons so whilst I did townread lolwagons I don't know what to make of flubber coming in with Thor as his only scumread when Thor was gaining momentum.

DDJ what's your read on skitter?

[CheekyTeeky]

Not sure about "forced". It looks like a legit question to me. My question is why Cheeky didn't consider it to have gone my way (I didn't commute, but how would anyone else know that I didn't and wasn't shot?)

That's spicy. Um yeah no I didn't think of that. Sorry overgamed so not 100% thinking straight...who am I kidding I probably wouldn't have thought of that even if I was thinking straight and on the scum team!

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't understand why there's any suspicion on me today? I was hoping to cruise until I felt like dedicating more time to the game.

Angel can you please explain your read on me apart from today? Like why did you open thinking I could be scum? You too joges please.

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't understand why there's any suspicion on me today? I was hoping to cruise until I felt like dedicating more time to the game.

Angel can you please explain your read on me apart from today? Like why did you open thinking I could be scum? You too joges please.

Your first few posts of the day were really tone-shifted, otherwise I think you're town. So really, I'm just curious about the sudden shift.

As I said, I'm overgamed. I'll still play but just not at the pace I was. My tone doesn't stay the same - I am all over the place as a player. It's ma thang.

Jokes aside, I would probably be using you noticing this to validate a read on you but I have nothing. What's with your tone shift/pick up in activity?

VOTE: joges dude rep out if you're too busy that you need to keep V/LAing.

[CheekyTeeky]

Vote Count 1.Final

Flavor to be added.

With 13 Alive, it is 7 to Lynch!

Thor665: (7) themilkcartonkid (711), skitter30 (713), Almost50 (720), Omochao (744), Flubbernugget (761), Robert2424 (801), DarkLightA (812),
Robert2424: (5) Lady Angel (326), CheekyTeeky (791), DuckDuckJab (522), Gamma Emerald (796), Thor665 (808),
Gamma Emerald: (1) joges (266),
Almost50: (0)
themilkcartonkid: (0)
Lady Angel: (0)
Flubbernugget: (0)
Omochao: (0)
CheekyTeeky: (0)
joges: (0)
DuckDuckJab: (0)
skitter30: (0)
DarkLightA: (0)

Not Voting (0):


A LYNCH HAS BEEN ACHIEVED!

Important Notes:
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The Game is currently in Day One.

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skitter30 is permanently V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays.

I think the entire Robert wagon is town.

Last two(?) scum in {flubber, joges, DLA, milk}

[CheekyTeeky]

Odd reason to vote someone.

I work 10 hour shifts Friday to Monday. Can't always post those mornings. Are you suggesting my work schedule is a scum tell?

No, I think you're scum independent of being annoyingly low in content.

Why would you respond to my vote but not my request to elaborate on your read of me?

Tell me how me being a buddy to Robert makes any sense at all. What happened to your gamma read?

[CheekyTeeky]

Tell me why your post is a good post and not a terrible post?

Yeah that's cool, I mean I only have 141 other posts to judge me off. You're full of it - this is the definition of fake scum hunting, nice try though. The point is for discussion, and for congratulating the vig - what stupid scum or PR would actually answer and it had to be the vig because a fucking maf died you silly man.

If you took a look at Roberts posts or even EOD yesterday you would know I'm obv town. Says to me you're not really trying to solve the game.

[CheekyTeeky]

Milk we have the same scumreads because those are the only logical options based on a Robert flip last minute which left scum stranded off their wagon - hence no scum on Robert. I also don't think skitter/omo are scum because they had good reason to be on Thor/Robert's ISO.

Of the 4 people that make sense I think you're least likely though if it helps. I'm thinking Joges/Flubber.

[CheekyTeeky]

Do you think that joges is scum? Doesn't really seem like the kind of push that scum would make. Just an honest question

Uh yes, yes it does.

[CheekyTeeky]

Am I being too mean? My tunnels can be pretty mean :/

Who are we voting then?

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah flubber is fine.

VOTE: Flubber

DDJ have you gone through and looked at the VCs and Robert's ISO? I think there's something there that made me think Skitter was unlikely SvS? I mostly remember that her pushes on Thor felt legit. I also think if Milk is scum then skitter is likely town from being townspewed.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh wait no it was Skitter's reaction to A50 that was towny too.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: DLA

Let's get the day done so I can take a Closer look tomorrow. Still think Flubber's eod was awful.

[CheekyTeeky]

Sure, while you're here flubber - why did you feel ok lynching thor after you announced he was a VT claim at eod?

[CheekyTeeky]

Sure, while you're here flubber - why did you feel ok lynching thor after you announced he was a VT claim at eod?

VT claims ususally get lynched. The point of a claim before a hammer is to make sure a PR doesn't get lynched.

Amongst all the things that have changed in how this site plays mafia, that has 100% remained constant here and a lot of other places too. So I have no idea why you are asking this.

It was you assuming he was. He didn't actually claim that. When I get to the point someone is very likely town I will try not to lynch them. Ive seen towns change their minds after a VT claim because why would scum claim that D1? It's sub optimal.

[CheekyTeeky]

Anyway, intent to hammer. Does anyone have any objection to ending the day early (considering we probably have more info than scum do at this time)?

I don't think DLA is scum but I agree to policy lynching for that hammer because I'm not losing to that sloppy play at lylo

[CheekyTeeky]

Hammer bo banna fanna!

[CheekyTeeky]

No. Hammer is life. Joges is scum
So are you maybe.

[CheekyTeeky]

No. Hammer is life. Joges is scum
So are you maybe.

Why the fuck do you think I want to question joges?
And do you think there’s 4 scum?

Why do you need to question him if he's scum? What do you think he's going to confess or something? just effing ask the questions.

Sure why not.

[CheekyTeeky]

Is it that obvious?

Hey DLA who's scum?

[CheekyTeeky]

Yes I flicked back and saw.

So you have no feelings about who's scum on your wagon?

[CheekyTeeky]

Bu, I don't see how it's beneficial for scum to say hey look it's t/t/t.

1. They would know that looks tmi af
2. It would take a lot of dancing to get away from that read in a believe way, otherwise they're locked in at the risk of looking obv scum if their progression doesn't make sense.

[CheekyTeeky]

How can you not think about Optics as scum?

What's the chance he started getting flak and then jumped on his buddy though?

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeky is an absolute mystery because her play isn't very town nor scum

Stop trying to pocket me

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: milk

[CheekyTeeky]

cheeky, did you primarily vote dla as policy? why'd you move off of flubber here? what did you think about flubber joining the wagon?

Yes.

I was on joges I thought? I moved because DDJ implied I was being mean.

I'll vote flubber too, didn't care about the DLA wagon.

[CheekyTeeky]

-> cheeky, what's your thoughts on gamma after the joges flip?

I'll lynch gamma after milk and flubber if the game hasn't ended already.

[CheekyTeeky]

So tinfoil time...

A50 said there were no NKs and it looks like there are no town NKs

If A50 is redirecting the shots I think he's auto mvp.

[CheekyTeeky]

Because I'm that good

[CheekyTeeky]

Also there are other possibilities. I missed that you claimed but why did you jail keep me twice?

[CheekyTeeky]

A50 what are your thoughts on Flubber?

[CheekyTeeky]

Does this mean I have to effort now?

[CheekyTeeky]

I will first I want to hear why milk decided to JK me twice and why he didn't say anything after the first time.

Then I would like to know why flubber thinks it makes any sense for me to be JK'd two nights in a row where scum die both nights (people I was voting/pushing) and still be scum.

I want to say milk isn't scum but I fake crumbed pretty hard yesterday and he still JK'd me and scum still tried to kill me apparently so I'm pretty confused about wtf is going on.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: DLA

Let's get the day done so I can take a Closer look tomorrow. Still think Flubber's eod was awful.

Here milk. I capitalised the C and tried to rush the day to look like a PR of some kind.

Where's your crumb?

[CheekyTeeky]

But we also have something that’s been stopping the scum kills

You mean the JK who's already claimed?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Flubber

[CheekyTeeky]

I guess I'll believe milk. Scum probably didn't expect me to get protected twice so there's that for them shooting me twice. I kinda wish milk hadn't outted but at least our amazing vig lives another night.

I will do some digging and piece my reads together but I remember suspecting flubber/lady/Gamma yesterday.

[CheekyTeeky]

Vote Count 1.Final

Flavor to be added.

With 13 Alive, it is 7 to Lynch!

Thor665: (7) themilkcartonkid (711), skitter30 (713), Almost50 (720), Omochao (744), Flubbernugget (761), Robert2424 (801), DarkLightA (812),
Robert2424: (5) Lady Angel (326), CheekyTeeky (791), DuckDuckJab (522), Gamma Emerald (796), Thor665 (808),
Gamma Emerald: (1) joges (266),

-snip-

Not Voting (0):


A LYNCH HAS BEEN ACHIEVED!

Important Notes:
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The Game is currently in Day One.

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skitter30 is permanently V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays.

Vote Count 2.Final

Flavor to be added.

A Lynch!

DarkLightA: (6) joges (871), themilkcartonkid (877), CheekyTeeky (906), Lady Angel (909), Flubbernugget (984), DuckDuckJab (986),
themilkcartonkid: (1) Omochao (854),

-snip-

Not Voting (4): Gamma Emerald, DarkLightA, Almost50, skitter30 (940)


Deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2019-01-19 13:00:00).

Important Notes:
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The Game is currently in Night 2.

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skitter30 is permanently V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays.

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Omochao is V/LA until 1/15/19.

Omochao and skitter do look pretty bad. Being on Thor and then not wanting to be on the DLA wagon after everyone's analysis on Thor's wagon.

I'll ISO these two, flubber and Angel maybe gamma next.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh you can lynch me just let me get my reads out first.

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't know what to make of the lady angel vote park on Robert's wagon atm

Flubber did you ever progress on this? Where's your Lady A read gone?

[CheekyTeeky]

Hello everyone,

Vote Lady Angel

Till you post

Hello everyone. Who wants to come over for tea?

Lynch all liars?

I still hate this.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok flubber and Gamma can be town grudgingly. Their moonlogic can be town. Plus their pushing on DLA can be town. Lady A just looks superficial as and I could see that entrance post being SvS with Robert. I also don't like that she skipped over me pushing joges - like had nothing to comment on.

I'll check skitter and omo out then check Joges for anything and refee back to Roberts reads EOD1.

[CheekyTeeky]

Skitter is still town - her interactions with Robert D1 are enough plus she clearly has no idea about people's alignments by the way she's sorting.

[CheekyTeeky]

just gonna uhh

VOTE: gamma

ive been following this game since yesterday, ill just like put quotes around stuff thatll take a bit but yeah

my reads are something like this vv (roughly in order)

Town:
thor
cheeky
skitter
mckid
trivium
a50*

Null:
ddj
darklight
lady
robert
joges

Scum:
soviet
gamma

*i want to believe but he's trying his hardest to make me not town read this

Interesting.

[CheekyTeeky]

That’s a very good flip. Anyone have reason to

not

lynch off Thor’s wagon today?

I don't like limiting ourselves to options when there's no way yet to know 100% it had any scum on it. But I would be interested in maybe seeing thoughts from people about who they feel on that wagon is most likely to be scum. But I do not like trying to limit ourselves to only the votes on Thor's wagon.

yikes/10 post here

lynching between {milk, skitter} seems good for today. lady angel is good pick for scum off wagon for staying on Robert for so long, but she's also lurking so it's hard to make that argument.

VOTE: milkcarton

The fuck even. Omo explain how you didn't vote joges here? That's worse tha Lady A pretending he didn't exist.

[CheekyTeeky]

@joges what all of the game have you read? What are your thoughts rn on everyone?

I have read to this post so far. Comprehension and retention probably aren't that good.
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Players in the game that I can think of without looking anything up:

duck: a hydra that I will rely on my town reads to help me sort because I'm not good at reading hydras because the usual inconsistencies in posts between two brains geeks me out a bit.

Gamma: my scum read is loose at best here, I felt the reason I voted in D1 was very good, but at this point it's been so long ago that I am not ready to commit to this.

cheeky: Post I claimed to be role fishing-y still stands out. Maybe it's because of the "wait" in the middle that's like there for i guess dramatic effect. I don't like it and it stands out to me.

skitter: town read here, engaging just about everyone and everything

Milk: looks like he has been under fire to this point from a lot of folks. One thing I don't like though is that flurry of posts that were made there at the top of page 36. Especially considering since I've been called out for the lack of posts. Even without those milk isn't far off the mean though, so probably me feeling sorry for myself.

lady: made a good post imo about DLA and made me feel comfortable enough to sheep them.
DLA: I feel like they're attacking me because they came back, read a quick little bit, and noticed I was being getting some push. Felt like I'm the easiest person to target. So I'm happy my vote is here. Especially considering the post I just linked they claim something someone else says was "awful" and yet still made it out that I was the bad person out of it.

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At this point I've had very little interactions with players and without the back and forth I don't trust my reads. I have Wednesday and Thursday off so hopefully I can find some time to post with everyone in real time.

I want such a post to be a long post so I'm gathering my notes.

Hey I'd still like these thoughts.

I was expecting today off. So I'm doing this from my phone. 6 hours isnt ideal for me as I'm in the millitary. So some things may be missing.

Thor, a bit odd and vague. RPing accounts are so hard to read though. However, I don't really feel he's contributed much so far. I leaning scum with him.

Themilkcartonkid, least I can say he is fair. I honestly didn't like the wagon on. I have to lean town right now.

A50, the monkey. I feel he could be scum but that's come and went. I feel he's more of a distraction though.

Gamma, day one read saying town so far. I had certain posts I wanted to post but I won't be home to find them.

LA, last vote on me, feel she's just inactive. Witch could be just inactive or scum hiding in shadow.

Flubber, reading as scum lately. He's been a bit agressive but could be main part of that.

Omochao, idk, I don't like some of his posts, but there isn't anything glaring at the time or if there was in my notes at home.

Cheeky, still learning scum, a bit jumping around with the votes. Feels very infuenced somehow. It's hard to say.

Joges, needs to be more active. Can't say at this point.

Duck, feel he could be linked to Thor. Slight scum read. Alot of ducks, want to see less about ducks. (RP).

Skitter, seems town, hard to say though. I remember my notes had something I liked though in one post.

Dark, who? I honestly don't remember seeing in game.....So less active then joges?

As Thor is no longer at L-1 with cheekys unvote. I can put him back. 6 hours is horrid time to rely on anybody to come just to get a Lynch.

Vote Thor

L-1 again. Let's see how active people are then. I doubt hell get hammered cause of remaining time.

These reads tell me it's not Lady A or Flubber. Or Skitter.

VOTE: Omochao

Gg.

[CheekyTeeky]

So in summary I think scum are in {Omo, Lady A} If both of these are wrong then go Flubber.

When you lynch me never lynch Milk.

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't think scum!gamma is that brazen tbh.

[CheekyTeeky]

If we nolynch then our JK dies though and we don't know anymore BUT I've learned better than to question your tactics.

VOTE: no lynch

Everyone townreading me should do the same please.

[CheekyTeeky]

Lady A isn't scumhunting if you look below the surface. Her votes kind of save her though. Flubber just looks opportunistic but his reads making no sense seems towny in that he'd need to do better to win as scum. Milk shouldn't be lynched on my flip because that's exactly what scun would try to push because I'm flipping town. I also see no reason for him to claim a fake guilty on me at this point. If it gets closer to lylo or something maybe rethink it but I'd bet money on him being town now.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm not sure what your argument is about apart from assuming milk is town which I think most people are coming around to?

Flubber why are you scumreading DDJ?

[CheekyTeeky]

Buj why won't you no lynch? We have nothing to lose this game is basically in the bag. I suggest you do because A50's gambits can be lucrative. I also low key know why. If I get JK'd again and there's still no kill which is really worst case scenario then you guys lynch me and then omo. If you let best case scenario happen it would benefit us all. I just need you to trust that I trust A50 with this and we aren't going to lose even if it blows up in our faces. Please.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'll let A50 make the case for himself but what you're saying is what I thought until I decided not to question it.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think don't fix it if it ain't broke. There's no reason to care why scum died at this point but more why didn't any town die.

[CheekyTeeky]

BuJ is so townie it's giving me butterflies

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm down to lynch flubber again lol. Just keen to get this game moving instead of letting it stagnate while our vig has momentum.

[CheekyTeeky]

I would've gone with OMGUS

Also my "explosion of activity" was me literally being asked to effort. Flubber's shade has gone from moonlogic to downright scummy - the unvote reads like testing the water to see if his bad logic and my guilty looking prison sentence would get me lynched and since there were no takers he's changed his tune.

[CheekyTeeky]

[CheekyTeeky]

[CheekyTeeky]

is she good at reading you?

I can answer this. No. I'm developing new tactics specifically around how to manage A50 though.

[CheekyTeeky]

FFS, I AM THE BLOODY VIG AND I HAVE THE BLOODY INFO I NEED!

I know

Why the eff did you guys make him claim?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ugh. Buj you owe me a trust sheep when I ask for it.

[CheekyTeeky]

So anyway. I think we lynch Flubber today and you guys using your super powers target {omo, la} kapeesh?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ugh. Buj you owe me a trust sheep when I ask for it.

I don't think I did anything.

It wasn't that I didn't know what A50 was doing (I didn't know they were a super vig sure, but like yeah I doubted he was a commuter). I just didn't agree that no lynch makes any difference.

Also I didn't force him to claim. I'm surprised he even thought his explanation would change my mind. I still don't understand how no lynch is better.

-BuJ

No you didn't do anything wrong and it still makes sense to lynch but it would've been nice if you trusted me to let A50 do his thing. It's not always optimal to follow him but I knew he was the vig and wanted to let him try for his perfect score. I'm mostly frustrated because he's got a better role than I thought.

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeky, I dont think flubber should be the lynch. Omo and la are way luckier and could slide past, I think flubber is more of a confirm at night sort of thing. I'm all for omo or la, I would say la because the replacement might be super charismatic or really great scum. I dont know if I would ever be able to trust an la replacement as town because of that. I'd rather conf omo and then flubber or gamma. Mainly gamma

You don't really get a say sorry. You tried to guilty me and now there's evidence for another scum member so you follow whatever A50 and DDJ want to do for tonight. We have to leash you or waste A50s check on you. He's going to die so Id rather we take down all my scum reads in one go. Flubber lynch, LA blocked, omo checked.

Omo is the most likely scum so A50 needs to vig it to stop other kills going through. Lady A is next most likely so you need to Jail keep that to prove your role. If A50 dies we know its Lady A or you.

Someone correct me if my logic has gone wrong somewhere.