[Game Over] Newbie 1960 - Deathcars

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emps (L-3)

: Emperor flippyNips, eth0s

eth0s (L-4)

: UrVeggieM8

Robbnva (L-4)

: Jocus Aevorum

Jocus Aevorum (L-4)

: Selynee

Runner0109, SausasaurusRex, Robbnva, emps

Damn

Hey guys. Looks like I'm replacing in. Don't expect any signifigant content from me until I'm back from work.

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Ignore that quote. IDK how that happened.

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Alright, so luckily for me it looks like I'm replacing in for someone who simply didn't show up. We're early on too.
The only thing that I've really got to say so far is that I see a lot of people pushing wagons in different directions and if anyone has any specific reasoning behind what they're pushing, I'd love to know more.
If they're just RVS votes, then whatever.
I'm coming into the middle of this and it feels kind of awkward, sorry.
SaurausSaurus, ethos, and emps. You all seem eager to go after flippy, but obviously not all of you are scum. Can you explain what's going on?

@sausasaurus rex and quantifiable conundrum (that was a mouth full)

Could you two add avatars to your profiles so that it's easier to distinguish between your posts?

I do in fact have an avatar. It's an inside joke.

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Emperor flippyNips (L-3)

: emps, SausasaurusRex

SausasaurusRex (L-4)

: eth0s

UrVeggieM8 (L-4)

: Emperor flippyNips

eth0s (L-4)

: UrVeggieM8

Robbnva (L-4)

: Jocus Aevorum

Jocus Aevorum (L-4)

: Selynee

Quantifiable Conundrum, Robbnva

Well, that puts a lot of it into context.
I'm going to hold off for the moment simply because I don't want to put someone at L-1 quite this early.

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Saugus, chill out. It's fine for people to be at L-2.
In fact, VOTE: Flippy.
Lots of posting, but very little content.
This isnt a hard read, but it's where I want you apply pressure first.
Unless I'm misfiring, they're now at L-2.

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This Flippy wagon feels precarious. It feels like we could have an accidental lynch. Be careful guys.

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Not saying this is definitely robb's scum game but look at newbie 1943 crosswords (where he was scum) and you'll see the same tone/attitude as you see here.

Veggie isnt a bad scum candidate either

Why did you leave out the part where I say I am playing my town meta in that game?

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shame on you. if you are town, please stop being lazy and intentionally trying to paint me as scum when I played my town meta perfectly that game

also stop being lazy with regards to meta. If you are introducing meta, do so showing both town and scum. If you did that you wouldn't have made that post.


Intentionally deceiving people is scummy as fuck.

I've played one game with you. You were scum. idgaf about your self meta points. I'm not going to go read your other games where I didn't play with you just to try and "show both sides" and not doing so doesn't make me lazy.

You should stop being a lazy reader because I'm not even "painting you as scum" when I obviously said that this doesn't necessarily mean I think you're scum I'm just noting things you have done the same here vs as scum in

a game I played with you

.

Why do you tunnel someone over a joke on you being scum yet keep pussyfooting around me by constantly taking the "if you're town" approach? If my comments on you are so lazy and baseless then surely you should be scumleaning me more than someone that made a joke on your intro to the game.

VOTE: robbnva

See, I like this post a lot, but then you move on the veggie with much less evidence. Do you care to elaborate? If you've got a good enough reason, I think I could put you into my leaning town column.

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We're at a low post:content ratio right now guys.

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Alright, now that we've got some more content, I'll be providing a list of all my reads tonight after I get a chance to read everything carefully.
Since I feel a bit out of the loop, let me go ahead and UNVOTE: , at least for the moment.
Excuse my paranoia, but I just lost a game due to careless voting.

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Eh, actually I'm kind of meh on QC right now, after re-reading him. I was probably getting some of his posts mixed up with Rex or something. He still seems kind of town, but I don't feel it as much.

I like his 112, and I don't think that he'd say 117 (unless he was scum specifically with Flippy). In 201, I agreed with the point but not the tone.

For some reason I'd thought he had more posts or something, but looking through the ISO there actually isn't much.

Yeah, I'm replacing in, and I've actually found it annoying hard to keep up despite only missing the first few pages.

I expected at least Qc to be like “ why ya vote me”. But I guess the fact that I’m thinking about killin em doesn’t phase them

Most people aren't phased by a lone vote early on D1. Try harder.

Alright, I promised some real reads on everyone. Let me do that right now.

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• Flippy - Scummy. Tried to start up a weird wagon on me and then wonders why I'm not panicking over a single early D1 vote. It seems like an attempt to start a bandwagon or otherwise spread suspicion around. He's been here for almost a year, so it feels weird for him to expect me to react much, especially when the vote is coming from a player who recently had a wagon being run on them.
  
• Saurus - Townish. I doubt someone would throw all that attention on themselves by putting someone at L-1 that early, especially since if something goes wrong, he'd be one of the people under more scrutiny.
  
• Selynee - Null. Very little to go on so far (like I'm one to talk.)
  
• Robbnva - Townish. He's really throwing himself out there an his attitude is unlikely to make him many friends. Not very scummy.
  
• Jocus - Null. Gut tells me town, but my mind tells me lean scum.
  
• NaCl - Null. 5 posts.
  
• Emps - Very light scum read. I don't like 291 with its 4 scum reads.
  
• Ethos - Town due to his high activity alone.

I think that's everyone.

pedit: Jocus, I do think that Flippy's gradual change in attitude is interesting. Let me go through a few of his previous games.

MiniDeathStar, 0 is guaranteed to be accurate, right?

I'm mostly just seeking a guarantee that Saurus is not SE.

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Alright, I've checked out a few of Flip's previous games.
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His gifs are NAI.

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That's some pretty aggressive play from scum if that's the case, and if we lose either one of them, we're losing one of our two biggest content producers by far. Can you provide some concrete examples of why you think that's the case?

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Alright, after all of that arguing, I'm now I'm down to Robb, Saurus, or NaCl for today, I'm unlikely to vote for anyone else on D1 unless something changes. NaCl is by far my weakest read though, it's mostly just due to a lack of real engagement with the thread so far, making it too hard to get a read on him.

Ethos, Emps, you're both currently voting for someone on my list. Convince me to vote with you.

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i dont like the way qc was like complaining abt there not being much content and like not doing anything abt it. like i legit just cased rex, and that wouldve been reeeeeaaaaally hard to miss, and he tells me to "convince him" into voting rex like I had a 15 post thing on him and you like pretend it doesnt exist

Convince me to vote with you.

i just made like 15 posts casing rex did you like not read or some shit

btw this is sorta LAMISTy

Well, clearly I was hoping for something more. I see a good case on both of them right now by D1 standards (let me digest all of the new content though.)
I'll check out your posts in a minute.

convince me on jocus and eth0s being off the table tho? jocus is kinda scummy and eth0s is nulltown for me

I just don't see much coming from Jocus right now and I feel like Ethos is being aggressive enough in scumhunting that I don't think I'm going to go with a D1 lynch on him. Obviously, that could change.

Alright, after all of that arguing, I'm now I'm down to Robb, Saurus, or NaCl for today, I'm unlikely to vote for anyone else on D1 unless something changes. NaCl is by far my weakest read though, it's mostly just due to a lack of real engagement with the thread so far, making it too hard to get a read on him.

Ethos, Emps, you're both currently voting for someone on my list. Convince me to vote with you.

well you just completely copied my lynch list so I'm not sure how much more convincing you really need.

You don't think the order I put them in matters?

Emperor flippyNips (L-3)

: Robbnva, Jocus Aevorum

Jocus Aevorum (L-3)

: SausasaurusRex, NaCl

Robbnva (L-4)

: eth0s

SausasaurusRex (L-4)

: emps

Selynee, Quantifiable Conundrum, Emperor flippyNips

OK, this makes me feel better about emps. Came closer to what I've seen him post last game.

QC, what made you change your mind on Robbnva.

Read his iso. He's just posting noise instead of content. Pretty funny considering 313.

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Alright Emps, you've convinced me. Your posts 427-433 have me convinced. VOTE: SaurusSaurusRex

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Read his iso. He's just posting noise instead of content. Pretty funny considering 313.

I have my two scum reads already set and my vote isn't changing. What kind of content are you expecting from me? If you want something for me, ask me a question but my job is done for day 1 so i am just prod dodging until the day is over.[/quote]
And your reads are extremely week. You didn't really reason it out and now you're just parking your vote. I don't think that's very townish.

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SausasaurusRex (L-3)

: emps, Quantifiable Conundrum

Emperor flippyNips (L-3)

: Robbnva, Jocus Aevorum

Jocus Aevorum (L-3)

: SausasaurusRex, NaCl

Robbnva (L-4)

: eth0s

Selynee, Emperor flippyNips

Wel I don’t like QCs posts anyway. More words little usable content

Oh yeah, we're down to two days and change. Seylenee, Flippy, how about some votes from you two? I'm not expecting a hammer or even am L-1 vote, but I'd appreciate taking some solid stances in the form of votes from you two.

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Robb, most of my posts have actually been pretty concise.

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MiniDeathStar, 0 is guaranteed to be accurate, right? I'm mostly just seeking a guarantee that Saurus is not SE.

Hey, what exactly were you thinking when you asked this? Why did you suspect Saulus could be an SE or something?

I wasn't clear on if an alt of a more experienced player would still count as SE or not.

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Jocus, what did you mean in 517? It looks like you slipped up.

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MiniDeathStar, 0 is guaranteed to be accurate, right? I'm mostly just seeking a guarantee that Saurus is not SE.

Hey, what exactly were you thinking when you asked this? Why did you suspect Saulus could be an SE or something?

I wasn't clear on if an alt of a more experienced player would still count as SE or not.

Like, what I mean, was, why did you suspect Rex could be a SE? What about his posts gave that impression?

Posts 264 & 267 specifically.

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My vote is going to stay where it is for the time being in case we get our replacement soon and need to lynch on short order, but I find Jocus's post super sketchy and unless he has a brilliant explanation, he's also a strong scum read for me.

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I think it's Jocus. That post is terrible and looks super scummy. He hasn't come forward to explain it at all, which is part of what makes it look so scummy to me.
VOTE: Jocus
Jocus is now at L-1, give him guys.

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give him guys.

???

And now I'm really unclear on things.

Also, just so that no one lolhammers, please state intent and ask for a claim before anyone else votes Jocus.

Whoops. I meant to write give him time to claim/explain himself.

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SaurausSaurus, ethos, and emps. You all seem eager to go after flippy, but obviously not all of you are scum. Can you explain what's going on?

i think hes played a game before? correct me if im wrong

but like after playing at least a game you should know most early game wagons are memes and it was like pretty obvious that flippynips and i were like memeing and our votes on each other werent serious

In my other game, we had a guy replace in, only to lolhammer someone who flipped town, so that's where my paranoia is coming from. I'm happy with this lynch if it goes through. Jocus is making no real effort to defend himself, it reads like someone throwing up their hands in frustration after a slip.

Anyways, I have Neza as a very very slight town lean right now based on gut feeling, and Ceejay seems like he's getting victimized a bit too much to be scum.
Mizzytastic is slightly town for now, I don't think a mafia player would go around antagonizing people that hard or being so insistent on getting their questions answered. If the question I missed turns out to be some minor fluff thing or asking me to justify an obvious pressure vote, I may have to rethink that, since that would look like a divide and conquer strategy to me.
Xeogarius is being very forward about buddying me. Null read otherwise.

This one feels far more verbose and open than his opinions in this game.

As for my current reads:

Null

EspeciallyTheLies - No real content.
Nezahaulpilli - Moderately town leaning just for calling out Xeogarius in 84. In fact, 84 is a pretty great post all around.
Suspicious - Post 48, while old, is good, it's breaking up a potential quicklynch, but it's very minor. He's defending me a bit too hard too in 92, 93, and 94, which looks a little bit like buddying.
Accessinator - One good post 91. Insufficient content so far. If this pattern continues, I will get more suspicious.
Cee - Nada
EspeciallyTheLies - 1 post. he's probably going to get replaced out.

Town

Mizzytastic - town, but overconfident town, which can be dangerous in its own way. It seems like it's pretty uncontroversial that he's town at this point, I haven't seen anyone contradict that, and he's clearly very interested in solving this.

Scum

NotMySpamAccount - Horrible post #22, goes from a random vote to a real one on the same guy based on essentially nothing. #72 seems like he's trying to discredit someone (although I could be reading more malice into that post than intended,) he has three more throwaway posts, and finally his #96 is very weak and doesn't contain much reasoning. Still only scum leaning though, since absent a slip up, I don't think we're going to have the data to be certain someone is scum on day 1. I am less confident about this one, and may swap him out with Accessinator.
Xeogarius - 99 is weird. It's weird to have such a strong read on Access this early on, and it seems like scum might try to deflect onto a relatively safe player. He's also very defensive in 58, and seems to be the most anti-mizzy player here overall, and as I've said before, I think Mizzy is the most widely agreed upon town.

VOTE: Xeogarius sheeping Mizzy and he hasn't felt any real pressure yet. I would like to see what happens when that changes.
I might change to Accessinator if we don't get some more content. It feels like he's trying to skate by under the radar.

Compare this to what his readlist looks like here.

I guess. I tend to be lazy as scum, so I could be wrong here. But it feels like his reads have much less substance in this compared to then.

He was tracker in that game, so maybe it could be VT that's not as excited to have a role.

Yeah, it's more fun when you aren't VT.

I'm willing to go emps if possible. Ethos's reasoning is good, but realistically, it looks like we cant change the wagon at this pointz and Jovus is better than no lynch.

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also, the tone in qc's posts (mostly the ones directed towards/talking to robb) is good imo

idk what specifically but i like the tone in those posts

Jocus Aevorum (L-1)

: eth0s, Selynee, NaCl,
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Emperor flippyNips (L-3)

: Robbnva, Jocus Aevorum

SausasaurusRex (L-4)

: emps

Emperor flippyNips, SausasaurusRex

I am now more skeptical of QC, but I specifically do not think his partner is Rex if he's scum.

Also, this probably is a dumb take, but I kind of feel like either both Jocus and Rex are scum, or neither of them are.

Doubt both Jocus and Rex are both mafia. Regardless of Jocus's play style, I doubt he'd act so nonchalant regarding his partner being lynched.

If two more people indicate that they're willing to move to Emps, I'll switch too.

Pedit: not sure what you mean, he hasn't really reacted in any meaningful way despite having multiple days to do so.
Like I said, I'm not big on this lynch either, but mathematically and in terms of information, any lynch is better than no lynch.

Pedit 2: you're right, that's strange. They could be partners.

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Damn, I meant to quote 637.

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Ethos, these 11th hour one man wagons aren't helping town.

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Jocus Aevorum (L-2)

: Selynee, NaCl, Quantifiable
Conundrum

Emperor flippyNips (L-3)

: Robbnva, Jocus Aevorum

NaCl (L-4)

: eth0s

SausasaurusRex (L-4)

: emps

Emperor flippyNips, SausasaurusRex

[youtube][/youtube]Dude, there's like an hour or two left and you're hopping around like it's RVS.

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I still have no clue what I'm doing.

Eth0s, fine, maybe emps putting in effort is something he'd do as scum. Not me though, I'm super lazy scum. I could have easily lurked out of this. Idk how much you remember of that one newbie game where I was scum (you wound up getting replaced after not posting too long). But I don't think I'm playing like I did in that game. If you think I can change my playstyle that much as scum, then sure, whatever.

At this point, I'll take pretty much any lynch. If people are convinced I'm the scummiest person and we can't get another vote, I will selfhammer.

You can't, you're at L-4. Please just keep on an ongoing wagon instead so that we can get something.

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About QC, those two posts in particular make no sense to me

• Flippy - Scummy. Tried to start up a weird wagon on me and then wonders why I'm not panicking over a single early D1 vote. It seems like an attempt to start a bandwagon or otherwise spread suspicion around. He's been here for almost a year, so it feels weird for him to expect me to react much, especially when the vote is coming from a player who recently had a wagon being run on them.
  
• Saurus - Townish. I doubt someone would throw all that attention on themselves by putting someone at L-1 that early, especially since if something goes wrong, he'd be one of the people under more scrutiny.
  
• Selynee - Null. Very little to go on so far (like I'm one to talk.)
  
• Robbnva - Townish. He's really throwing himself out there an his attitude is unlikely to make him many friends. Not very scummy.
  
• Jocus - Null. Gut tells me town, but my mind tells me lean scum.
  
• NaCl - Null. 5 posts.
  
• Emps - Very light scum read. I don't like 291 with its 4 scum reads.
  
• Ethos - Town due to his high activity alone.

Alright Emps, you've convinced me. Your posts 427-433 have me convinced. VOTE: SaurusSaurusRex

Can you explain your progression here?

It's just a bunch of short posts shouting at everyone, throwing shade everywhere, and generally pitting us all on blast. It looked more like at attempt to spread suspicion and inaction around to me.

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I'm willing to put Robb down to scumleaning due to his behavior near the deadline, as Farkran pointed out. That was very anti town play.

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VOTE: Rex

I don't have much time right now, I'll post more today when I'm back from work.

I'm getting a slight townlean from Farkran now, because of how he started the day. I know I was SRing Flippynips quite a bit, but there was something Farkran did in his opening that I like. I don't want to say what it is yet, I'll explain after most people have posted.

However, Farkran, I think you're on the wrong track with Robbnva. I looked at his posts during the night, as I was suspicious it could have been like him/emps or something, but I don't really think I saw anything. Of course, his absence could have affected that, but I'm much more suspicious of Rex right now.

I'm just worried that he's so scummy that he is town. Like, for example, if you compare him with QC, who a bunch of people were scumreading, QC's posts have improved. Rex's haven't. And I don't know if scum would let their partner be so obviously scum.

When I went on v/la my scum read had been tied with two others. Somebody put Rex to l-1. If I moved my vote it would have been a hammer PLUS I didn’t scum read Rex so your post about me compromising is scummy cause I couldn’t even if I wanted to.

Also i'd like to hear why you're not scumreading saurus, can you explain what made you conclude he is town?

Don’t put words into my mouth. I never said I town read him.

I scum read three people yesterday. Scum eliminated one of those reads so now I have two scum reads. Qc vs Rex, hands down qc is scummier. I don’t even understand why people scum read Rex. He hasn’t done anything scummy. Hasn’t done anything townie either.

I'm willing to put Robb down to scumleaning due to his behavior near the deadline

Interesting. What exactly was wrong with my behavior considering I wasn’t even around at deadline.

And way to completely ignore my explanation. Using my v/la against me is antitown play. Me not “compromising” when my scum read was still a viable option and we weren’t near deadline yet isn’t.

So thanks for proving you are scum or antitown

I looked at stuff overnight, and found there were bigger priorities.

I'm still bothered by QC, and emps did a 180 on them which didn't have me feeling that great. Also, I think Farkran's readlist wasn't too terrible.

I'd also been holding off on this to see if anyone was going to try and push Eth0s's accusation on me and emps today, now that eth0s died. But since that's not happening, I've grown more suspicious on emps, and I just find his sudden change on QC to be really weird. Like he's been shading QC all game, but never actually voting them? And also that as soon as I start to make my case, things change around completely and he shifts to Rex and starts townreading QC.

As for why I'm prioritizing QC over emps, it's because I think QC is more likely to be scum even if I'm 100% wrong on the above paragraph.

Quantifiable Conundrum (L-4)

: NaCl

SausasaurusRex (L-4)

: Farkran

Robbnva (L-4)

: SausasaurusRex

Farkran (L-4)

: Robbnva

Jocus Aevorum, emps, Selynee

Reads lists are nai. Don’t let a reads list ever sway you.

Farkan, what the hell are you doing on Blatant Scum's slot? Was your read on him entirely based on his behavior? You literally did a 180 on it in 1 post.

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Oh shit, I quoted a bunch of irrelevant posts again. I was using it like a clipboard, sorry.

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About Farkran.
He is asking questions, posting reads, being towny. He acts towny on purpose, not naturally (this is what I believe), so I think that his behaviour is NAI. Nevertheless, I think we should keep him with us (= not lynch him) at least one day because his playstyle is very likely to give momentum to the game.
UNVOTE:

I agree yeah, I think we should keep him around for now.

And as I've said before, its easier to be involved in a game when you're a PR. It's just more fun.

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@Quantifiable Conundrum, are you saying you think Farkran is a PR?

No, why would I disclose that here?

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I'm willing to put Robb down to scumleaning due to his behavior near the deadline, as Farkran pointed out. That was very anti town play.

he said he would be on vla and stuff so attacking him for that is kinda dirty tbh

but like the flippynips wagon was like definetly not going through at all so like not sure what he was doing voting him

But why wouldn't someone just arrange to get someone else to hop off so that they could hop on if they knew about this scheduling issue? That seems like a pretty easy thing to do, and I would be be happy to do it for example.

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Oh shit, I quoted a bunch of irrelevant posts again. I was using it like a clipboard, sorry.

this is like kinda towny tho (using the multiquote as a clipboard sort of)

You too @QC, your read of emps is not clear at all. I already pointed out that your progression does not make a lot of sense until you explain it, i think now it is time to provide some reasoning.

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Disagree on the clipboard thing lol.

I'll explain my emps reasoning later today.

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You need to write an essay to explain every sentence you write, then you need an essay to explain your essay

Nice reaction Farkran, test successful

I kinda agree with NaCl on the fact that you are probably not scum. However, i suggest you start producing more content because the current gamestate is pretty much stalling and there's nothing we can do as long as QC and emps keep prodging our questions and everyone else allow them to do so. At this point i'm really down to lynch either of them today and see what we can make of that. Current lynchpool is {QC > emps >> sausar} in that specific order of preference.

I have been reading your ISO, jocus, and i understand your concern about uncertain wagons, but what do you think we should be doing to scumhunt in this game? It's pretty much evident that we cannot rely on PR results for today. Please tell us who you are scumreading, or at least try to PoE scum from your townreads. (PoE = process of elimination, for those who don't know the common acronyms)

Don't accuse me of that, I said I'd do it later today and here I am, later today, doing it. Throwing shade about timetables will get you nowhere when everything is timestamped and uneditable.

Tbh, "why me = fry me" is at least somewhat valid.

I did like Farkran for his replacement in, but I'm kind of more doubtful now...

emps, QC, where were you two standing on Farkran again? Were either of you scumreading him?

I've never thought Fakran was scum. I thought differently about his predecessor, I thought he was extremely antitown to the point that he was a safe lynch because he was either scum or antitown, and I've thought that for a while, but that's a moot point now. I TR him.

Random thought:
Would QC/Rex go kill Eth0s n1? Unless they think he was a PR, I don't really see it.

The purpose in doing so would be to push Eth0s's lynchpool after, but neither of them are doing it, and I don't think anyone is doing it.

Why would I kill Ethos after having a huge public argument with him? That doesn't make sense, it's too obvious. And he thought I was pretty scummy too, so I would be pushing a lynch against myself? Not sure what your logic here is but it doesn't add up.

Eth0s successfully baited a NK. Question should be who could see it- but given that I could after reading his ISO, doesn't really excludes many people. I mean, maybe Rex. After reading QC's last game- I think he could. Jocus- not sure.

What do you mean "baited?" A very active posted disagreed with a lot of people and got himself killed. There isn't any real logic here. Does he think he's worse at the game than the average townie, so dying N1 is helping, is that what you're suggesting?
The reality is that scum just jumped on the Semi-experienced guy. I think we can actually work with that though. He's actually not the obvious kill! He was in a big argument with several people right before hammer and was behaving erratically. That means that emotions were running high and some people could have been kind of angry with him. I'd assume SE players are likely early NK's, so why was he targeted first, despite, at least from a social perspective, being in a worse situation than many other SE's?

Also, since I can see a wagon maybe building on me, let me offer this in my defense: I'm a replacement. I think it's pretty fair to say that people are probably a lot less likely to go inactive out of a game if they're scum, that's a much more exciting role.

Now as for why I don't like Emps:

• 291 has four scum reads.
  
• 0 teamwork. Won't do a thing for an easy vote in 435, he just refers me back to some old posts that he made. (Full disclosure: I wound up going along with him in the end on that one.)
  
• Look at the guy's ISO and tell me you see any real attempt at solving the game.

I still really don't like Rex, he's a big target for me right now.

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Selynee, I saw what you were referring to, and I feel like QC's most recent post is genuine...maybe? What do you think?

Meaning that he's either town, or scum with emps or something.

At this point, I can get behind an emps lynch. The issue is that I don't know who his partner could be. Blatant Scum? Farkran?

Yeah, I do pretty short posts and all that when I'm just on my phone or whatever, but whenever I sit down in front of my computer and really think through the game and type something up, my posts get much longer.
With regards to Blatant Scum, I just don't think we have the info to read him yet, but at the same time, I'm not sure what else he can really do to give us more content at this point though. Any suggestions? I guess tomorrow I can really dive into his pred's ISO.

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

Why would I kill Ethos after having a huge public argument with him? That doesn't make sense, it's too obvious. And he thought I was pretty scummy too, so I would be pushing a lynch against myself? Not sure what your logic here is but it doesn't add up.

There are mainly 3 reasons for scum to kill a specific target over a random choice:
1. Target is a threat to the scum team. If a player got his reads right and is townread enough, he needs to be eliminated before he gains consensus.
2. PR hunting
3. Target is widely townread but has very bad reads. You kill this to deadsheep his reads and push a mislynch the day after.

Reading ethos ISO again i don't think i'd kill him for being PR so it's either 1 or 3 to me. I didn't see 3 happening so far, therefore i think it's 1. Emps was his highest scumread which is likely to be correct at this point. QC, you seem to agree on scum!emps as a solve, even if perhaps for different reasons. Why are you not voting him and instead opt to fencesit?

I guess we're kinda getting close enough to the deadline, so I'll go ahead and VOTE: Emps, since at this point I think people need to start making hard stands.

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

I gotta be honest I wish I was contributing more but this is a really hard game for me to get into. Depending on how the flip goes theres someone I plan on checking out more thoroughly before day 2.

Not sure I'll really be able to engage myself before then

I actually think this is why he got nk'ed. In this case, it wasn't really about his play. If they took it as a tracker/cop softclaim, I doubt mafia would risk not killing here.

This is actually a good point, and i did miss it. A bit audacious for a softclaim, but makes a lot of sense as scum that you'd read that as a PR threat. What slot would you think felt the most threatened?

Well, coupled with his last post, I'd say the most obvious answer is NaCL and emps. Though realistically no mafia team lets a possible cop or tracker live here. The real question would be who would this exclude (as in who couldn't see it as a PR softclaim)?

I didn't actually notice that soft claim somehow, so that makes me really suspicious about his preferred lynches too, so now I'm feeling really good about lynching Emps.

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

@Jocus Avornum I agree with you. Emperor FlippyNips continued RVS after he should have, and (if I recall correctly) was experienced enough to know better. However, Farkran almost completely erases that suspicion for me. He seems very town-like (from my low understanding of how town and scum generally act), and consistently raises good points.

If you look through Flippy's history, you'll also see that he's just that kind of guy who likes to post gifs, and that's such a big part of his posting that I'd say it's NAI.

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

Also, we aren’t anywhere near the deadline yet, despite what Quantifiable Conundrum just said. I think he’s pushing for a hasty lynch, but, after the lack of lynch that was day 1, perhaps it is good that he pushes this early.

I'm not pushing for a hammer or anything like that, just saying that I think we've kind of run down the evidence and it's time to move to the next stage of the day by voting.

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

Rex, I think we're much more close to the deadline than I'd like. Especially since it feels like everyone's disagreeing a bunch.

QC, why are you not voting?

Blatant Scum, I want to talk to you, let's hear who you think is town and who's scum.

839 I'm voting for Emps.

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@ QC

Why go with emps's case there if you weren't TR-ing him?

Farkran, you were good at picking PR softclaims. You really think this is not the case here?

I'm also willing to vote emps, although I'm still kind of torn between him and QC.

Farkran and I had him at 2 votes for a couple days, and...no one jumps on? I'm just not sure what to make of that.

What is this?

i dont think sely is ballsy enough to point that pr soft out as scum tbh

Yeah, I agree, this has Sely as conf town for me.

@Emps, I’m reading the “hasty lynch” as scum-leaning, because it feels like Quantifiable Conundrum just wants us to decide on someone to vote, and doesn’t really care who. By the way, my current lynchpool is {Quantifiable Conundrum, Jocus Avornum, NaCl}, and maybe Emps, but I’m still not fully convinced about him.

Your lynch pool is a supermajority of players. Why not just say who you TR?

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@ QC

Why go with emps's case there if you weren't TR-ing him?

Farkran, you were good at picking PR softclaims. You really think this is not the case here?

I'm not sure what you're asking? I thought it was right at the time. Maybe rephrase?

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

Ok, so to be clear, currently QC (me), NaCl, and BS are clear?
We get two more lynches and mafia gets 1 more NK (which they will use on nacl.)
There are only 3 non clears left.

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

The problem with Selynee and Quantifiable Conundrum’s posts are that they state they are town, then expect us to believe them without offering any proof. In Selynee’s post, she gives reasons to vote Jocus Avornum via the process of elimination, but doesn’t offer any reason for her own innocence, drawing the attention away from her role.

Also, notice how Emps never voted Selynee, and he even said he townread her. He also defended her at least once, which I think would be a little strange if he was trying to make people thing that other people are scum. Therefore, I think Selynee must have been Emp’s partner.

VOTE: Selynee

Darn it, Farkran, I was supposed to die so you could solve this! Or maybe neither of us would was what I'd been hoping.

Yeah, he was FN, there was no doctor. I lied about his action last day to protect him.

I tracked QC last night, he's clear.

NaCl and Blatant Scum are the only people we can fully eliminate from our votes.

it's possible, Blatant Scum

we get 1 mislynch

None of that matters now, all roles are out there and there dont appear to be any counter claims.

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

I'm in favor of Jocus. He never trued to explain his earlier apparent scum slip either.

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

Jovus, you're at L-1. Any last words?

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

I'm going to wait to hear what Rex has to say before going ahead.

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

Rex, please give us your defense.

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

Hey guys, doesn't no lynch mathematically make the most sense here?

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

QC, who are we lynching?

I'll check tonight and see. I might favor no lynch.

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

VOTE: Rex

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

I've been suspicious about Rex for a while, I'm willing to go for it. We've got two equally good choices, and this one is the one I'm making.

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

Yeah, can I see the dead and mafia topics too please @MiniDeathStar?

[Quantifiable Conundrum]

Nevermind, my bad.