Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[Albert B. Rampage]

eyestot/votato are my main scumreads

[Albert B. Rampage]

Are you townreading vecna?

Vecna/maria/chkflip sorta equal

[Albert B. Rampage]

How dare you. I am the perplexed.

You think you deserve to be in farside/lilith category?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lilith is a TR for you too right?

Not really. I almost shot her.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I kinda think you deliberately bullshitted the “ABR AND DC COULD BE SCUMBUDDIES GUYZ” thing to falll back on “scum!me wouldn’t have put myself in that position” and it’s the same thing you’re doing with getting a scumteam member to claim gun “if I were scum a teammate would have claimed!”

Yeah I remember that. Its true that Vecna looks a lot worse.

[Albert B. Rampage]

what about vecna/eyestot/ one of lillith and maria?

[Albert B. Rampage]

does vecna make more sense with lillith or maria?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I still like eyestot the best as our lynch today.

VOTE: eyestot

[Albert B. Rampage]

Eyestot is obvscum, everyone on vecna change your vote to eyestot.

[Albert B. Rampage]

vecna votato maria etc. Vote for eyestot

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vecna is at L-1 i can only guess the scum is lillith maria and eyestot

[Albert B. Rampage]

votato is scum unless he switches to eyestot now

[Albert B. Rampage]

fuck its 2 scum voting for vecna and waiting for chkflip to hammer whille maria and farside sleep isnt it?

[Albert B. Rampage]

eyestot/votato are one pair of scum.

3rd chkflip?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You've played with me a bit I assume if you've meta'd me so you know by now everyone gets 'worried' about my slot.

I mean yes, true, but for good reason lol

I want you to be town really bad Maria, partly for game reasons and partly for out of game reasons, but I am worried the *wanting* you to be town is interfering with my ability to read you which, if totally honest, is pretty terrible at the best of times.

I also don’t know how applicable meta is here because I think we’ve gotten along pretty well this game which I think has only normally happened on my main when you’ve been scum, but idk if me being on an alt here just let us start from a point that wasn’t you disliking me and that meant that this is what playing with you is normally like when there’s not any prior history there

I hate this. Not you but firebringer was the same way to some degree. ‘Maria we only get along when you’re scum town you can’t be this nice!’ I know that’s not what you’re saying, but I really do wish people would see that I can just..play the game.

I understand why people have doubts about me it’s no secret I’m probably one of the better scum players on the site. But it’s so dishearting when you try your best as town just for people to turn on you because of who you are. I was so excited when farside and Lilth were pushing me as weird as that sounds. Because I was getting pushed for in game reasons and nothing over the fact I’m ‘Maria.’

I used to be pretty bull headed and idgaf as town, but I wanted to go into a more serious and normal approach like I did on my tryhard account. I wish everyone treated me like they did on my Elena account before they figured it was me. I don’t mind if you scumread me, I just hope it’s for stuff here.

Yo. Vecna just went to L-1 without me, ice, or don, 3 confirmed town.

Do u know what that means? It means vecna is town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

farside being useless 1st vote sleeping and ur sheeping scum maria, wake up.

[Albert B. Rampage]

scum are obviously trying to quicklynch vecna lol. All the town should unvote and we should quicklynch eyestot instead.

[Albert B. Rampage]

UNVOTE:

Jesus christ lets calm things down a bit

[Albert B. Rampage]

farside being useless 1st vote sleeping and ur sheeping scum maria, wake up.

or maybe scum is sheeping me? you dont think theyre just bussing? im staying the hell away from sdfoiuhstght's wagon. for one thing id have to be able to spell the name for the vote to count. UNVOTE:
i can do that much for you though. I'm ok with any lynch other than the confirmed, farside, and aseoirfhsv. oh and id rather not get lynched either.

Eyestots vote was so bad.

[Albert B. Rampage]

this is mylo if we mislynch and ice fucks up we lose

[Albert B. Rampage]

NO

noone shoots votato

they can shoot me tonight if they want .

i have this awful feeling that somehow ABR is scum and a town gun fucked up.

This is scummy as hell

[Albert B. Rampage]

eyestot lands a horrible vote in mylo
Votato says i can be scum
Vecna says don v. me is SvS

And somehow i know that one of you is probably a townie fucking up badly

[Albert B. Rampage]

NO

noone shoots votato

they can shoot me tonight if they want .

i have this awful feeling that somehow ABR is scum and a town gun fucked up.

This is scummy as hell

VOTE: Votato
Let me just give a bit of incentive

incentive to what? i strongly disagree with that wagon. there are four perfectly good wagons out there. excluding vecna there are still three. im not getting on a wagon i disagree with just because at least some townies agree. if vecna and maria are scum, doesnt that mean there was only one scum on the vecna wagon?

explain townread on eyestot im listening

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: eyestot



i hate this game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

god damn it vecna is making too much sense.

VOTE: mariar

[Albert B. Rampage]

I defininitely think all 3 scum were voting for vecna and hoping ice would vig the town hammer.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ok, time to logic Vecna, you got this.

LILITH wanted to encourage my tunnel on MARIA + CHKFLIP

Farside was extremely attackdog and was tagteaming Maria with me I think?

logicmath:

Compositions:
Maria + CHK + Stotts
Lilith + Farside + stotts

Need to look into this shit if any inter-breeding there also makes sense

Chk is town. They werent waiting for a scumbuddy to hammer with a vig alive

[Albert B. Rampage]

lmao scum going hard on the Vecna mislynch gg scum

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can we all agree on lynching votato?

sure

How about maria?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can we lynch one of eyestott/vecna and have icon shoot the other one?

if i said let's lynch mariaR

and i'll shoot votato

would you laugh at me?

Votato is town if maria is scum

[Albert B. Rampage]

Maria, you mess with my mind too much. stoooop

The only one who can stop is you. Do the right thing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: vecna

thats L-1.

what do we get out of lynching ayiueyt%tt? he has been pretty much idle most of the game. we learn so little. its basically like lynching knightmare again. i really see no merit in it. we've identified a scum here. lets kill it.

VOTE: votato

I disagree. Maria is worse.

[Albert B. Rampage]

How can Vecna be scum when literally anyone that could be scum just brought him to L-1? He is clearly town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

How can Vecna be scum when literally anyone that could be scum just brought him to L-1? He is clearly town.

Scum don't bus? Since when?
He is using Ad hom logic and literally is buddying you.
The writing is on the wall and not voting venca is a declaration of being his scum buddy.

Why would scum bus at mylo following you?

All the conftown are off the wagon. That tells me something.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR are you not gonna explain why I'm scum and just tell people to vote me? Knowing how much that just annoys me? Like, okay you scumread me that's fine but if you're not gonna explain it...

Farside seems town for picking rose + trying to lynch you and Lilith before

Vecna seems town for being run up out of nowhere by all the potentially scum slots (wagon not town driven)

Chkflip is also probably town from his play, defending vecna

That leaves eyeslot, lillith, you, and votato.

Lilith's play is better than yours. Votato / eyeslot either one could be scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

if vecna is scum, chkflip and lillith/votato/eyeslot/maria could be scum. It's really messy, scum are being very patient with a quicklynch bus, it seems less probable to me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You. You had your chance to lead this town, did I get in your way? No, I did not.

u actually did. U single handedly destroyed my eyescott wagon because DC was pushing u.

You fucking let DC railroad me into a momentum-gaining bandwagon with farside, Sircakez and Lilith dude. I give you my nightkill but don't derail DC.

I am 100% obligated to tell town who I shoot tonight before the hammer, scum can't do nothing about it and town will get info day 2.

okay how about this u shoot in eyescott or maria tonight and ill vote with u on Don today.

Tht good?

ABR just shoot DC.

VOTE: MariaR

Okay fire then stop using your years old meta that I've been trying to change because you're objectively wrong in how I play. I don't really care if you want to wagon me, I do care about you slandering my rep.

and I never cared for u saying I don't play the game or was playing against my win conditions, etc, etc.

which uve done numerous times.

so lol at ur request.

Firebringer last words before death... i think FB was a threat due to his scumreads on maria and eyestot

[Albert B. Rampage]

I see a world where lilith wants something smart killed and maria and eyestot want FB killed.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Votato/Lilith/Vecna is possible.

Its either that or eyestot/lillith/maria.

[Albert B. Rampage]

or eyestot/lillith/vecna

[Albert B. Rampage]

Just start at D2, you can always go back to read more of D1 if needed.

Here's a TLDR of D1 stuff I think you may have missed:
- competing eyestott + maria wagons
- ABR vs DC 1v1
- competing cakes + maria wagons
- deadline lynch of knightmare

How many times have we tried to kill maria in this game? Every time it fails.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well im ok with lillith lynch but maria is far from cleared and hasnt played as well as lilith imo

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: lillith

Well if farside ice and don think lillith flips scum sure im in

[Albert B. Rampage]

She was also counterwagon to eyestot until you derailed all of that to lynch me d1

[Albert B. Rampage]

i don't think lilith flips scum tho

Its either lilith or maria.

Chk is town farside is town

Votato and eyestot are easier to figure out later

[Albert B. Rampage]

i don't think lilith flips scum tho

So what about maria?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes

[Albert B. Rampage]

If chkflip isn’t scum then it means that either all 3 scum committed on the push, or vecna is scum who was being double bussed

Yes thats what happened.

[Albert B. Rampage]

we learn nothing from vecna lynch today

[Albert B. Rampage]

so are you gonna vote lilith or what

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR are you not gonna explain why I'm scum and just tell people to vote me? Knowing how much that just annoys me? Like, okay you scumread me that's fine but if you're not gonna explain it...

Farside seems town for picking rose + trying to lynch you and Lilith before

Vecna seems town for being run up out of nowhere by all the potentially scum slots (wagon not town driven)

Chkflip is also probably town from his play, defending vecna

That leaves eyeslot, lillith, you, and votato.

Lilith's play is better than yours. Votato / eyeslot either one could be scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

if vecna is scum, chkflip and lillith/votato/eyeslot/maria could be scum. It's really messy, scum are being very patient with a quicklynch bus, it seems less probable to me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

lets hammer lilith imo

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scum probably all 3 picked gun, killed FB/something smat/farside.

Lilith is scum fore sure.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don’t actually see anyone giving reasoning for voting me. Can anyone currently on my wagon give me something I can engage with?

I just quoted for you my reasoning though

[Albert B. Rampage]

DC's reads make no sense. townreads maria, farside, and lilith.

So what you think scum is vecna/votato/eyestot?

And these 3 decided to not kill a single claimed gun?

Come on.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don’t understand why you’re voting me instead of maria since she seems to be your strongest scumread. Is it because DC won’t wagon her with you?

Farside and dc dont want to lynch maria.

[Albert B. Rampage]

UNVOTE: lilith

fucking hell, why are there three IC's in this game and it feels like its completely up to me to solve this bitch and move the pieces

Honestly, DC, if you NEED to lynch me, do it today.

but then promise me you wont throw the game and treat Votato as an IC going forward.

If im wrong a single time, im mislynched the next day or shot, and we lose.

If I cannot convince you all that im town than I should take the fall for the good of us all.

Now, im sure this is going to be construed as scummy again, but I cannot keep fighting against the entire playerlist minus ABR.

Dude put your vote back

[Albert B. Rampage]

It seems like don is in the business of letting people who play well win.

I'm in the business of winning.

[Albert B. Rampage]

lilith has offered zero game solves. I don't buy anything she says.

Her "fuck it" knightmare vote yesterday is scummy.

POE says she's scum.

Her vecna vote with all the unconfirmed is bad.

The evidence is too strong.

[Albert B. Rampage]

i actually love her as a player in this game, shes a cool person, a good player. I'll apologize to everyone if I'm wrong about her.

Her and maria are the only players confident enough to kill smart and FB but not me and don.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Wow the deathtunnel by ABR

I changed votes many times on day 2 it isnt really a tunnel, I'm just read for L-1 and hammer because it's logical to me. It's a hard call either way.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm ready.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I’m still at vecna/chkflip/(one of maria/eyestott/votato) and I said as much yesterday. You still haven’t answered me about why scum wouldn’t have been on vecna’s wagon.

I think all the scum were on vecnas wagon. Where did you get this?

[Albert B. Rampage]

The PT conversation of "hey lets kill non-confirmed townies and bus vecna tomorrow" is improbable.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I’m still at vecna/chkflip/(one of maria/eyestott/votato)

It could be maria instead of you. But these guys on their own dont kill smart and FB for no reason.

If youre scum you bus eyestot or votato or chlfkp.

You dont bus vecna.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also I think scum were probably later on the wagon, which doesn’t require a planned bus.

If theyre later in the wagon maria is town.

Chlflp votato eyestot are gonna kill among the conftown.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If scum had a bussing strategy why kill FB and smart? Just kill IC

Scum wanted to all win together and got impatient w vecna wagon

Vecna vote back on or I give up on you and vote you

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scum got too cocky with their kills. Same pattern with vecna quicklynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I’m not lynched? Color me surprised.

Lilith is at L-2

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also, both FB and S_S were actively townreading me if im not mistaken on S_S' read on me, so nightkilling those would be a pretty terrible option for any scumteam with me on it.

Proof?

VOTE BACK ON! IM SICK OF YOUR VOTE SITTING THERE WHILE IM TRYING TO CONCINCE PEOPLE TO NOT MISLYNCH YOU

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also I think scum were probably later on the wagon, which doesn’t require a planned bus.

If theyre later in the wagon maria is town.

Chlflp votato eyestot are gonna kill among the conftown.

Okay you’re right, I wasn’t taking into account the nightkills. So that leaves maria/farside/eyestott/votato

Farside is town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can we stop trying to fucking lynch with over 6 days left when one of the ICs has made all of about 10 posts today

Tell that to the vecna wagon yesterday

[Albert B. Rampage]

The only argument I see for Vecna/Lilith not being scum together is the fact Firebringer said as much and now he's dead. Assume the team is Eyescott/Lilith/Vecna. Would they be that scared to kill Fir-wait I should stop going into NKA

NKA is trash.

VOTE: Vecna

[Albert B. Rampage]

i'm good and ready for my part.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The PT conversation of "hey lets kill non-confirmed townies and bus vecna tomorrow" is improbable.

If scum had a bussing strategy why kill FB and smart? Just kill IC

Scum wanted to all win together and got impatient w vecna wagon

Vecna vote back on or I give up on you and vote you

Scum got too cocky with their kills. Same pattern with vecna quicklynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If they were planning on bussing and smart or FB are right, they just kill me/don and sheep smart/FB into their buddy, then kill off FB/smart later

It doesnt make sense for them to kill smart and FB without an all in strategy involving all 3 scum surviving

[Albert B. Rampage]

also when you bus you want to exploit how townie you are, drag it out. They tried to quicklynch vecna.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let me leave this question for everyone because I thought this was obvious while I go do something.

Why did scum shoot roses over guns and not cc?

Confidence.

We should look at all the ppl who suggested don and i kill each other day1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

cant we just let DC and ABR shoot eachother? why waste a lynch? I'm gonna UNVOTE: DC. Its not just that he's shouting, its that he seems to be insisting on things that make sense. Therefore, VOTE: cakez.

@farside: still waiting on you to explain your flip-flop in more detail. The algorithm has nothing to do with them being on or off the wagon. It has nothing to do with the content of any posts. Its based on posting patterns, and I don't want to reveal any details in case it proves to be accurate. It probably isnt.

Can we lynch this?

VOTE: votato

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scum shot into roses cause they're trying to kill roses right?

If you cc a gun claim and even get a gun lynched you have a chance of dying 1/2 at night. So, I think scum are trying to bank on 1 or 2 scum to win the game with the rose wincon and get credit for bussing.

It's a play that requires faith and confidence in your teammates to pull it out.

If you're going for the rose wincon ccing a gun doesn't really do you much good unless scum have 2-3 guns that are n2 but we already know they used one n1. So that just seems unlikely to me.

You failed to prove why killing fb and smart is more valuable than un-cc'd guns.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The majority of you scum read centers on me from the start. I would fight with lilith but she is actively lurking and I'm sure she is just hoping to stay out of the spot light.

This is concerning.

VOTE: Lilith

[Albert B. Rampage]

What with the rl stuff happening, and SS flipping town and people ignoring me when I try to engage with them, I’ve been feeling really demotivated since the day started. Unfortunately I think we lose if I get lynched today - if I’m interpreting the rules correctly, if scum still have guns left they can kill off the rest of the roses faster than we can lynch them, if we mislynch today. So if yall can give me some time to get my head on straight I’ll reread the game and try to contribute more. It’s going to take some time so I’d appreciate a bit of patience here.

Refused to engage with you?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I responded to a bunch of Vecna posts explaining why I was scumreading him and also responding to his case post on me and never got a response

Farside has been announcing how strongly she scumreads me but hasn’t actually engaged with me at all since D1. Like her posts about scumreading me are directed towards other people and she’s not actually talking to me. In all of her other pushes this game she has had back and forths with the person she was pushing but she’s barely spoken to me D2 even though I’m apparently her strongest scumread.

Its weird youre not scumreading maria or eyestot or votato

Makes me think youre grooming them for lylo in case scum dont end it tonight.

[Albert B. Rampage]

? I put farside/votato/maybe eyestott as my latest theory based on D2 wagons

Youre not voting, pushing, or building cases on them or trying to read them at all

[Albert B. Rampage]

youre not trying to sort those slots from my PoV

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: farside22

Take that vote off

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lilith is scum guys. Can we end today please.

[Albert B. Rampage]

activity is dropping like the Dow Jones because don wasn't ready for a hammer

[Albert B. Rampage]

pedit: alright whatever. Apparently I don't even get a chance to reread the game and try to change your mind. If I'm going to be lynched regardless then just do it now before I force myself to reread 120 pages

We wont lynch you until you get your thoughts out. You may start when ready

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lilith is scum guys. Can we end today please.

Then why say this?

Sounds like you've made up your mind

Farside and I are loud but we are just 2 voices among many.

If you're town you deserve to be heard.

I won't silence a woman, my name isn't Joe Biden.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Take that vote off

When I'm good and ready.

Your mom called and said supper was ready.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lilith im still waiting for you to sort the game besides farside vecna which you spend all your posts talking about

[Albert B. Rampage]

ICON CAN YOU PLEASE PUT SOME EFFORT IN TO TRY AND SOLVE HERE

This game just fucking died Icon has no interest in solving or whatever the fuck

[Albert B. Rampage]

Frankly, if Maria is scum she’s done a better job of being obvtown than any town slot so I think I’m okay losing to her in the event she is scum

It seems like don is in the business of letting people who play well win.

I'm in the business of winning.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Talk to me on: Lilth Farside Votato

I don't believe lilith recruits me to join this game with her and then rolls scum and immediately tunnels me right out of the gate.

Farside has been one of the people actually causing the game to keep moving. She's been making pushes that could backfire and she doesn't really seem to care about making enemies.

Votato, when pressured, didn't get defensive, and instead apologized and tried to double down on their efforts (749), which is an unlikely reaction for newbscum to have (newbscum would probably assume that the reasons they were getting pressured were real scumtells and flail or OMGUS).

Common for players to kill others who "know them well" when they play scum. Lilith might be town, tell me about the evidence stacked up against her, I'm open to moving my vote.

It seems like don is in the business of letting people who play well win.

I'm in the business of winning.

I’d have less of an objection to following you here if I had respect for your reads *shrug*

Pro tip: if you want people to have respect for your reads don’t incorrectly death tunnel them D1 and make a bunch of pronouncements on how sure you are that they’re scum

Do you know where your poor tips belong, Don? In the garbage bin. Right next to your Knightmare mislynch, and your near vig of me, and your near vig of farside, and your bandwagon on me that derailed Maria and eyestot.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I’d rather lose to scum!maria than mislynch town!maria with the game as it currently is

Call that whatever you like

I call it out-of-game. It has no bearing on us who you rather lose to. Zero. We all want to win and it seems like you care more about who you don't lose to. Have you always been this selfish, or do you just completely let go when you use the alter ego?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh here we go. Leave something for the post-game, Don. We all love to be entertained by your showboating and your crybaby rants on mafiascum masculinity or whatever the fuck. Just kidding. I want my money back on those tickets btw.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why not vote DC today? I think its pretty spot on that the most active players, most helpful looking goody two shoe heres my scheduled content post with quotes and explanations and soft hesitations are the ones trying hardest to look town because theyre scum.

This is solid DD from past me, but it applies to Maria/Lillith, not to you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've been wrong countless times. That never stopped me from trying to win for my team.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh, also — scum may not have shot in the guns because they were hoping that we’d all end up shooting each other meaning that today would have been mylo for sure. Idk if anyone covered that yet as an explanation for the kills being where they were. But if scum thought icon was a N1 gun and that one of ABR and I would shoot the other it fits in without the need for a much more complicated plan behind not targeting the guaranteed kills

Let me leave this question for everyone because I thought this was obvious while I go do something.

Why did scum shoot roses over guns and not cc?

Confidence.

We should look at all the ppl who suggested don and i kill each other day1.

cant we just let DC and ABR shoot eachother? why waste a lynch? I'm gonna UNVOTE: DC. Its not just that he's shouting, its that he seems to be insisting on things that make sense. Therefore, VOTE: cakez.

@farside: still waiting on you to explain your flip-flop in more detail. The algorithm has nothing to do with them being on or off the wagon. It has nothing to do with the content of any posts. Its based on posting patterns, and I don't want to reveal any details in case it proves to be accurate. It probably isnt.

Can we lynch this?

VOTE: votato

I've covered that here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scum were too cautious day 1. They would have had a higher % of gotting away with us shooting each other if they cc'd gun so much we were at each other's throats.

Then N1 they got overconfident and the momentum is ours once more.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don’t feel confident enough that any of the active and posting slots is scum over any of the bad slots who are not producing content. If I have to choose between flipping one or the other here I’d rather try to do a lower content slot so it can’t be mislynch bait in mylo/lylo tomorrow, even if it’s a gamble that the game doesn’t end tonight.

This is how we ended up with a day 1 mislynch. Literally.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think that broadly makes sense and doesn’t fit with your theory that Maria or Lilith are scum, seeing as they have the calibre to CC today regardless. I think that model of the game is supportive of newer or less confident/engaged scum (which may also be clearing for vecna, come to mention it)

Maria and Lilith have both been under sufficient fire day 1 from FB and farside to not feel completely safe cc'ing. It would have been an optimal play in retrospect. But they are more cautious in my estimation.

Do you really think the scum team is eyestot/votato/chkflp? Or vecna and 2 of the aforementioned, and of all people they choose to bus vecna their only active slot?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah I'm with you about eyestot and votato, but if there's scum in Lilith/Maria, which I think there is, it won't get solved after we die. This shit needs to be done now.

I'm not leaving it to the lurkers, scum, and farside, to lynch other lurkers.

That's a nightmare scenario.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don’t think that (eyestott, votato, chkflip) is that unlikely either. They’re the slots that are collectively the least interested in solving the game imo

Lilith and Maria don't strike me as interested in solving the game, not like farside/vecna/me/you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

But like if scum isn’t vecna then it wouldn’t be leaving it to people incapable, it would be leaving it to icon and farside and vecna too if he’s town after we’re dead. I know icon has been quiet but he is actually often remarkably capable, albeit his accuracy goes down with people who he knows too well, but I don’t think that applies to anyone here.

Like I said, I’m planning to reread after I’ve slept, but basically it comes down to where I feel confident at the moment. I think if we lynch eyestott and he flips town then shooting votato will give us a scumflip. Whereas idk that if we lynch Lilith shooting Maria will give us a scumflip. And icon shooting someone who is scum (if we mislynch today) is the only thing that guarantees that it’s not game over if scum do have 2 guns left and didn’t miss a shot or take a rose

The math stays the same whether we make the hard decisions now or later. We better solve it now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

As always, Don and Maria are on the low info lurker lynch that ends in a oops I hammered again.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vig maria or Lilith

[Albert B. Rampage]

And was also on the knightmare wagon

He's easy to lynch. Maria and you will be hard to lynch. We tried every day multiple times and you both ways wiggle away.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And was also on the knightmare wagon

He's easy to lynch. Maria and you will be hard to lynch. We tried every day multiple times and you both ways wiggle away.

Don’t lump me in with maria, I’ve only had one wagon on me all game

I'm pretty sure one or both are scum. And you are both going to be impossible to lynch after this.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If eyestot flips scum, don't shoot maria, shoot lilith/vecna.

[Albert B. Rampage]

chkflip, who was

Town

Night 1 Rose

, was

killed

in

Night 2

.

farside22, who was

Town

Night 1 Rose

, was

killed

in

Night 2

.

Vecna, who was

Town

Night 1 Rose

, was

killed

in

Night 2

.

Hey all my reads were accurate yesterday on all three.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We have a 66% chance to lynch scum in LYLO. Great odds.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not voting for votato today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

now i just need to somehow convince DC (lol) or ico. Maybe ico will see the error of his ways after shooting a townie?

You need to make a case for the other two being scum together with eyestot right away.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lilith, I have to give you props, no matter what happens next, you're a survivor. Well done. You dodged the night kill and a lynch yesterday. Maria is very impressive as well, dodged two lynches in two days and here we are.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Votato you didn't so much dodge kills as much as you were left for last, and your job is to solve the game and convince everyone why the two of them are scum. If you can solve the game, you win a hell of a lot of credit.

[Albert B. Rampage]

so we're going with bus. ok. I'll argue for why its maria lilith and eatsnot, sure. maria's metagame should be a tell, no? trash town but good scum? you already scumread her for that. Also, on day 1 people said there was no point in lynching me because if i were scum id slip and be obvscum. i dont think ive done that. most of the dead also townread me. gimme time to dig through maria, lilith, and eartoast's interactions/isos

Why don't you go digging for quotes and make a legit case? Don't want to invest the time or on mobile?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll argue for why its maria lilith and eatsnot, sure. maria's metagame should be a tell, no? trash town but good scum?

This isn't my meta btw <3

What's your meta?

[Albert B. Rampage]

What are your thoughts Don?

Told you there was scum in maria/lilith.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So that's all you have to say about your meta? That you are better at mafia than town?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Like, I think if you look at this it's pretty clear a scumteam with me on it doesn't kill Vecna of all players.

I'm better at explaining why I'm town than casing others on why they're scum.

I think ice took care of vecna.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Like, I think if you look at this it's pretty clear a scumteam with me on it doesn't kill Vecna of all players.

I'm better at explaining why I'm town than casing others on why they're scum.

That's WIFOM.

[Albert B. Rampage]

the game is over today anyway, right?

4 town 2 scum
We lynch scum they shoot one
2 town 1 scum tomorrow

[Albert B. Rampage]

Like, I think if you look at this it's pretty clear a scumteam with me on it doesn't kill Vecna of all players.

I'm better at explaining why I'm town than casing others on why they're scum.

I think ice took care of vecna.

Really? I assumed it was Vecna because I don't see why scum would kill Chk here. Seemed like the only one defending him was myself. *Shrug*

Chk got almost no votes all game he was pretty safe.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Like, I think if you look at this it's pretty clear a scumteam with me on it doesn't kill Vecna of all players.

I'm better at explaining why I'm town than casing others on why they're scum.

That's WIFOM.

It's not wifom when you explain why your action are townier than they are scummy.
WIFOM is a dumb term anyway because anything can be 'wifom'

If you're smart enough to know what you would do as town, you would just do it as scum. Hence, pure WIFOM.

You being able to tell what others would do as either alignment gives us insight into how you see the game, which will in fact make you scummier or townier and influence how we see other players.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The game makes a lot of sense if you think of me as town. Plus I'm not pushing anyone. I care more about proving why I'm townie than pushing. You think I care who I put a vote on as long as it's not me?

You need to make a convincing case of why its the other two. All of you have the exact same goal here of painting a logical story from day 1 to now of why the other 2 are in cahoots.

[Albert B. Rampage]

LikeI've been pushing Vecna/Lilith all game Vecna now is suddenly dead. That doesn't help me.

Lilith never voted me the day before and Votato only got on me when I started saying his name. Plus he had the impression that my town meta was bad. Why wouldn't you leave me as the last one alive here
pedit: Because ABR isn't voting Votato. I'll vote either of them

Its obvious vecna was vigged. I told ico to vig lilith or vecna and leave you alive as the last post before lock.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Lilith

That's all I need to hear I suppose. Although having to convince ABR will prove to be...yeah

why not votato?

I wanted to solve lilith and maria yesterday. We are doing that today, I'm not gonna lynch votato and let ico or you decide which one to hammer. That's insane.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think I'm lynching votato today regardless

Not gonna happen.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The second you put a vote on votato today, I will vote lilith/maria and its up to ico to decide the lynch and one of the scum to bus their buddy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The second you put a vote on votato today, I will vote lilith/maria and its up to ico to decide the lynch and one of the scum to bus their buddy.

Speaking to DC

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not saying votato is town but he's the least informative lynch today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

How can Vecna be scum when literally anyone that could be scum just brought him to L-1? He is clearly town.

Fucking champion post right here lol, celebrate me in the afterlife my friend, rest in peace.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll recap my thoughts about Day 1.

I'm sitting there day 1, minding my own business, following the main bandwagons of chk/votato/eyestot, in that order.

As votes shift to eyestot, the VC looks like this for several pages:

VoteCount 1.6

eyestott [4] - Knightmare491, SirCakez, Firebringer, Albert B. Rampage
Knightmare491 [2] - eyestott, DonCorleone
votato [4] - lilith2013, farside22, Iconeum, chkflip
Iconeum [1] - votato
farside22 [1] - Vecna
Firebringer [1] - MariaR

Not Voting [1]

- Something_Smart

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-02 23:35:31)

Nothing changes for 5+ pages, then farside puts a strong vote on Maria, and Maria changes her vote from FB to Vecna.

Now Vecna and Lilith both follow farside onto MariaR, and she is in hot water.

Please let me know what question if yours I'm not directly answering so you can stop using buzzwords. That'd be lovely

Hi pot this is kettle.
How are you?
I'm good.
So you used buzzwords like gun ho to describe ABR without showing why you thought that. And buzzwords like this little gem of vaugness

It is if you take it into context with the rest of the way someone is choosing to act.

which was in regards to lillth's plays this way.
The catch up is a mish mosh of cherry picking comments and then realizing, whoops I have nothing so I'm going to through names out and go tada, look i have scum reads.

That was maria's catch up post in a nutshell.

Farside is driving the maria lynch while FB drives eyestot.

I always go back to this timestamp because this is our peak as a town. We have all the votes and guns pointing in the right direction and no one else is even close.

MariaR u def feel like ur scum.
I should probably townread u for that tho.

Idk it’s hard to ignore

So far so good.

it seems like farside made some initial reads, and is now going full confirmation bias. farside, do you think you could go through some of maria's posts and try to explain them yourself from the lens of town!maria? could you do the same for me? I'm not sure I like all of Maria's posts that much either, but you seem to be giving her the same treatment you're giving me, which is: "you're scum. I've decided you're scum, and therefore you are. And since you're scum im going to read your posts as coming only from scum, and treat you like you're a bad person." You seem to be getting really ticked off, and maybe you've just tunneled really hard, but it seems more likely that you're putting on an angry facade for some AtE action. How dare we be scum?

I kinda like this post. I've felt the same way as town more than once.

Lilith SRs = ???
Maria might not be scum here?? I like her response to this push honestly. It's very reasoned and she seems legimitaely frustrated.
Meanwhile someone else on the sidelines is coming off hella scummy

VOTE: ABR

Cakez then comes out defending Maria and votato and votes me.

some have it more than others
some never have it

this sounds deep.

anyways, u should be voting eyestott buddy

Did she lose her smile?

yes

Meh
VOTE: eyestott

Farside changes vote to eyestott. I'm non-committal on my vote at this point, telling people I will vote whoever.

VoteCount 1.7

eyestott [3] - Knightmare491,
Knightmare491 [2] - eyestott, DonCorleone
votato [2] - chkflip
farside22 [2] - votato, Albert B. Rampage

MariaR [5] - Vecna, lilith2013, Iconeum, farside22, Firebringer

Vecna [1] - MariaR
Albert B. Rampage [1] - SirCakez

Not Voting [1]

- Something_Smart

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-02 23:35:31)

VC looks like this. Maria looks like she's good for the chopping block.

Do you see mariah's pov in the post?

Nope, I’m not seeing her as posting from an informed perspective

Can we lynch ABR now?

VOTE: ABR

We have 15 hrs let’s make this happen!

I don’t think ABR is showing an informed perspective, I just don’t think he’s trying to solve the game

We have 15 hrs let’s make this happen!

yes! your vote for maria shouldn't take more then a few seconds

Why would I vote for town though, icon?

Don comes in at this point and derails the competing bandwagons of eyestot/MariaR and the whole game goes tits up. HUGE defense of Maria, complete defuses the momentum and tries to mislynch me from out of left field.

Then we all know how I react to this incredibly anti-town move by Don: I claim, we reverse wagon Don, Don claims, and Don/Maria/eyestot/etc. end up lynching Knightmare to save Maria.

VoteCount 1.14

eyestott [1] - Knightmare491

Knightmare491 [8] -

eyestott

,

Something_Smart

,

DonCorleone

,

SirCakez

,

farside22

,

chkflip

,

lilith2013

,

MariaR

[LYNCH]

MariaR [4] - Iconeum, Firebringer, Albert B. Rampage, Vecna
SirCakez [1] - votato

Not Voting [0]

-

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-02 23:35:31)

Don consistently shields MariaR all game long, and tries to get the guns to shoot vecna/ico.

I thought ABR was going to shoot vecna? I have no problem shooting vecna if he's shooting elsewhere

I really don't believe Iconeum is town here though

You cannot wrap a better gift for scum than Don here, if Maria is scum.

And since Don can't admit to any blame, Don cannot be trusted to make the right decision with Maria today or tomorrow.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lilith follows Don to vote for me and derail Maria, then unvotes me when the town switch to Don, and goes for Knightmare at the end of day 1 instead of Maria.

There's a strong case for Lilith/Maria if you look at the Day 1 VCs. Votato just hangs out there minding his own business without ever tilting the game towards the scum on the many occasions he could have.

I see votato as very neutral after day 1, looking back from where we are now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If ico thought vecna was cleared due to the day 2 quicklynch attempt on him, maybe he vigged chk actually. We'll have to ask him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

sorry chicky

Ah. Bingo.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There's 3 narratives:

Lilith/votato: Don is right from the start and saved us from mislynching Maria, Don is a hero
Maria/Lilith: The scum helplessly outmatch the town in skill with the two best scum players and toy with us
Maria/votato: Lilith had a bad game, Don had a bad game, the only way to win is me/ico convincing Don

[Albert B. Rampage]

If Maria is scum she pocketed Don.

[Albert B. Rampage]

why do you guys think scum are content with lynching lillith tho?

They will lynch whoever we tell them to for survival.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Did you read my day 1 summary?

The highlight is votato comes off very neutral.

Maria is helped by Lilith.

Lilith is in no danger.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The problem is if Maria is scum with votato she pocketed don and lilith hard until today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

votato has played scummy as shit and I'm struggling to see beyond that. I'm giving a fair amount of weight to vecna locking him as town otherwise I think I'd be locked on him +1 of the other two

How many times have you played with votato?

He's always like this.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So Don, you think it's votato + lillith then?

and ABR is set on lillith + maria right now?

I still need to read through day 2 and it's too early for that.

Since Maria has compromised Don due to being nice, it's up to us to investigate if she is scum because in LYLO Don will be voting with Maria.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay, DonSirloin is my strongest townread

I wonder if the whole scumplan was just pocketing me for the entire game

How was Lilith to you?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay, DonSirloin is my strongest townread

I wonder if the whole scumplan was just pocketing me for the entire game

eyestot/Lilith/maria were all treating you like you were untouchable then.

I remember when my wagon blew up in your face, Lilith conspicuously unvoted me but never voted you, unlike everyone else.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think the only reason ico and I are alive is because scum need Don to win and it would look too convenient if Don was the only IC alive with two scum kills.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If Don continues to hard defend Maria like she did all game long, scum (Lilith/maria) don't need Lilith to win, they just need to ride Don until LYLO.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I mean I think we're pretty clearly all alive because scum have gone for a "kill all the roses" strat

A "kill all the roses" strat means scum are pretending to be guns lol

This is not that.

Scum are killing whoever doesn't help them win. The guns are confirmed town, there's 1-2 rose left after their kills last night, and they think that's the players all the ICs will lynch for some reason.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scum played well this game. Therefore i am not scum. It's simple. Stop overthinking.

If scum were smarter, they would have claimed guns and claimed their kills. They never killed confirmed town, so they may as well have claimed guns and said they vigged Vecna, Firebringer, something_smart and farside lol.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Me and Don being confirmed town and working together is a very bad scenario for scum. They should not have confirmed us as town. We might have lynched ico, don, or me, instead we have 66% of lynching scum today and 66% of lynching scum tomorrow as well.

[Albert B. Rampage]

These posts by Vecna point to Lilith/maria in a very obvious way:

What’s your solve vecna?

I honestly think any solve is gonna involve MAX 1 in (Eyestott Votato)

Maybe im just stubborn because ive been townreading those two since the beginning and I want to be right.

I think Chk is only scum if Maria is scum, but I have no real strong reasons for that besides the way maria latched onto me in her catchup for voting and unvoting chkflip. I still think that mightve drawn her attention for partner reasons, and chkflip has been completely utterly unphased by anything ive thrown in his direction regarding this.

in fact:I was one of the first people to call Icon town based on early game reads and never wavered on that readI correctly called knightguy town and tried to persuade people from wagoning itIve harddefending you, Votato, for the entire game, and called you as town at every single step of the gameIve had gut townreads on Stotts the entire game and held onto that.never have I voted any of the above people, and ive actively questioned and tried to stop wagons on all these slotsSo, what are you talking about? Because im confused as fuck by yours posts

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vecna:

"I was one of the first people to call Icon town based on early game reads and never wavered on that read"

"I correctly called knightguy town and tried to persuade people from wagoning it"

"Ive harddefending you, Votato, for the entire game"

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's obvious why Vecna was killed despite him being put to L-2 Day 2. Maria and Lilith are scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VoteCount 2.7

Vecna [2] - lilith2013, eyestott
votato [2] - Iconeum, chkflip
eyestott [2] - DonCorleone, MariaR
lilith2013 [3] - votato, Albert B. Rampage, farside22

Not Voting [1]

- Vecna

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-12 15:35:31)

Both scum are still voting for Vecna because they need Vecna mislynched to save a kill for confirmed town. Vecna was accurate on everyone except chk and chk was never up for a lynch with me around. Neither was farside. If votato was scum, Ico would be dead.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can we all agree on lynching votato?

sure

Ico was too happy to lynch votato.

Farside was happy to lynch maria/Lilith.

Vecna townread votato and hard-defended him all game even at L-1.

Lilith/Maria had no choice but to kill farside and vecna.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay I only made it through about 60 pages but here's what I have so far:

disclaimer: shitty wagon analysis incoming
eyestott vs maria wagons: if eyestott is scum and maria is the town counterwagon, then that implicates vecna I think
maria vs cakes wagons: if maria is scum and cakes is the town counterwagon, then that implicates votato, chkflip, and/or farside
votato D1 wagon: I think at least 1 scum is on this wagon (farside or chkflip)
DC D1 wagon: I also think at least 1 scum is on this wagon (chkflip, vecna, votato, farside)
ABR D1 wagon: also probable for at least 1 scum to be on this wagon (vecna, farside, chkflip). farside, vecna, and chkflip probably more so because they are on both the ABR wagon and the DC wagon.
vecna D2 wagon: at least 1 scum on this wagon regardless of vecna alignment; at least 2 scum if vecna is town. (maria, farside, eyestott, votato)
eyestott D2 wagon: likely at least 1 scum on this wagon regardless of eyestott alignment (vecna, maria)
lilith D2 wagon: at least 1 but probably 2 scum on this wagon (farside, chkflip, votato, vecna)

I think that leaves me with {eyestott, vecna, farside/chkflip} or {maria, farside/chkflip, votato} or smaller chance of {maria, eyestott, farside/votato} if both the eyestott/maria wagons are on scum (I think this is less likely because their wagons got derailed by DC who is conftown)

I feel like people have been saying that Maria/farside doesn't make sense because of D1 but actually Maria pushed farside really hard on D1, dropped it, and basically hasn't engaged with farside since. Even though farside was originally one of her top scumreads at the beginning of the day, Maria has said pretty much nothing about that slot after that. farside was also scumreading Maria based on their D1 interactions but in D2 does not seem to be pushing her at all or considering Maria to be part of any possible scum team to the point that it seems like she is now townreading Maria. Also at the end of D1 I was trying to question Maria and farside kind of chainsaw defended her by attacking me for it.

On reread I'm actually feeling more confident in a Maria/farside team due to the lack of interaction/disconnect in reads vs tone D2 so I'm leaning towards {maria, farside, votato/eyestott} or {eyestott, vecna, farside/chkflip} as secondary team

This is super scummy. Trying to set up Maria/farside scum team. Preparing for chkflip endgame. All her solves include town and leaves wiggle room for Maria to escape eating rope.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lilith: "one of eyestot/maria are scum" lol no effort to be subtle at all

This is gg. Town wins. I hope the dead thread is watching, I want to read the comments at the end!

[Albert B. Rampage]

eyestott vs maria wagons: if eyestott is scum and maria is the town counterwagon, then that implicates vecna I think

VOTE: Maria

Dead thread!!!! Make some posts!!!! I want to be entertained later!!!

[Albert B. Rampage]

eyestott vs maria wagons: if eyestott is scum and maria is the town counterwagon, then that implicates vecna I think

Correct quote

[Albert B. Rampage]

If Don and Ico are good with it, I'm good with it. If not I will talk to them more, we have plenty of time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

but in my small world there's a wagon on a slot, with multiple IC's not on it. So confirmed scum on it. And there *is* a possibility we can lynch a scum with all town on the wagon.

That's what the Vecna wagon was. Observe.

Day 2

VOTE: Vecna

For now, until I go back and reread.

VOTE: eyestott

VOTE: vecna

VOTE: vecna

Rereading interactions with ABR and the inconsistency in tone vs read still bothers me

I'm not going to re-read the whole game because I don't hate myself that much, but IIRC Vecna was a bad vote yesterday and that shit didn't magically change overnight.

I'm gonna go digging.

You played a brilliant game.

I will vote you during the day like a man.

VOTE: Lilith

I really thought by the start of day 2 that the scum team was lilith/venca/abr.I thought Abr was lying about being a gun holder because he continued to push at DC with no CC in site and he sounded really sure that DC was lying despite the lack of CC. Plus all the ad hom stuff really looks scummy.With no CC I'm throwing that out the window. I really think venca scum. Still have thought with lilith since they hardly interacted and the unvote looks weird from lilith but I maybe just in tunnel mode.If venca is scum I'm taking Maria off the table as scum and I can not for the life of me see votato as scum.So it is really just POE at this time.VOTE: Venca

VoteCount 2.3

Vecna [3] - farside22, MariaR, lilith2013
votato [1] - chkflip
lilith2013 [1] - votato

Not Voting [5]

- Iconeum, Vecna, eyestott, Albert B. Rampage, DonCorleone

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-12 15:35:31)

Wait, I'm not already voting Vecna?
Oops
VOTE: Vecna

What’s your solve vecna?

I honestly think any solve is gonna involve MAX 1 in (Eyestott Votato)

Maybe im just stubborn because ive been townreading those two since the beginning and I want to be right.

I think Chk is only scum if Maria is scum, but I have no real strong reasons for that besides the way maria latched onto me in her catchup for voting and unvoting chkflip. I still think that mightve drawn her attention for partner reasons, and chkflip has been completely utterly unphased by anything ive thrown in his direction regarding this.

a bit behind. this post really struck me, because I also think steyeoat and votato are town. Yet we are two people who were almost universally scumread early in the day yesterday. And Vecna is 100% scum here. Don't let him escape by using dumb arguments and AtE. Scum!vecna latched on to the two most likely mislynches early in the day. Just like he latched onto the actual mislynch late in the day. He conveniently townread all three of us, hoping to get towncred post-flip. To me this clears myself and ayeschott. I'll put myself out there and say that if vecna flips town ico should vig me. If i flip town, spare tneysott

Also, DC, in what universe could (me, eye, chk) be the scum? I've hard defended eye and been pushing chkflip hard the whole game. Super obviously. They're the two players (along with farside) i have the most associations with. Do you really think we would make it that obvious?

I was thinking the same thing, votato

[Albert B. Rampage]

why doesn't votato vote Maria here?

from his pov they're both confscum right? so why doesn't he just go with the person who there's finally a conftown voting?

Ignore their activities today like you said they would do, they will vote whoever me ico and you agree on lynching.

[Albert B. Rampage]

5 votes on Vecna put him at L-1 early day 2. Vecna was essential to the town. He townread chk along with me, and townread/hard-defended votato against everyone else. I stopped his lynch but scum still needed him gone to win.

[Albert B. Rampage]

are you aware that what you're doing looks identical to openwolfing votato

What is open wolf?

[Albert B. Rampage]

saying things that are very openly scummy and/or from the pov of a scum that's won and is going through the formalities

what does it mean that I am open wolfing votato? I still don't get it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Just like Shakira's hips, the votes don't lie.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Votato hasn't done one thing to benefit either alignment all game.

I think he's just a lost townie.

[Albert B. Rampage]

votato didn't mislynch knightmare or help the maria counterwagon, he didn't help run up vecna, he didn't help run up eyestot but he hammered him. Say what you want about his behavior or how he sounds, he's not tipped the game in scum's favor when he could have. If he were scum, eyestot and lilith/maria should have coordinated daychat for him to hammer vecna before I could stop it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

votato is scum unless he switches to eyestot now

You've played with me a bit I assume if you've meta'd me so you know by now everyone gets 'worried' about my slot.

I mean yes, true, but for good reason lol

I want you to be town really bad Maria, partly for game reasons and partly for out of game reasons, but I am worried the *wanting* you to be town is interfering with my ability to read you which, if totally honest, is pretty terrible at the best of times.

I also don’t know how applicable meta is here because I think we’ve gotten along pretty well this game which I think has only normally happened on my main when you’ve been scum, but idk if me being on an alt here just let us start from a point that wasn’t you disliking me and that meant that this is what playing with you is normally like when there’s not any prior history there

I hate this. Not you but firebringer was the same way to some degree. ‘Maria we only get along when you’re scum town you can’t be this nice!’ I know that’s not what you’re saying, but I really do wish people would see that I can just..play the game.

I understand why people have doubts about me it’s no secret I’m probably one of the better scum players on the site. But it’s so dishearting when you try your best as town just for people to turn on you because of who you are. I was so excited when farside and Lilth were pushing me as weird as that sounds. Because I was getting pushed for in game reasons and nothing over the fact I’m ‘Maria.’

I used to be pretty bull headed and idgaf as town, but I wanted to go into a more serious and normal approach like I did on my tryhard account. I wish everyone treated me like they did on my Elena account before they figured it was me. I don’t mind if you scumread me, I just hope it’s for stuff here.

Yo. Vecna just went to L-1 without me, ice, or don, 3 confirmed town.

Do u know what that means? It means vecna is town.

VOTE: Eyestott

Your move maria

Oh boy
VOTE: Eyescott

If Ico shoots votato if this flips town I'm fine with it

scum are obviously trying to quicklynch vecna lol. All the town should unvote and we should quicklynch eyestot instead.

NO

noone shoots votato

NO

noone shoots votato

Even if eyescott is town?
Weren't you the one who agreed with me one of them has to be scum or did I take your post the wrong way?

farside being useless 1st vote sleeping and ur sheeping scum maria, wake up.

or maybe scum is sheeping me? you dont think theyre just bussing? im staying the hell away from sdfoiuhstght's wagon. for one thing id have to be able to spell the name for the vote to count. UNVOTE:
i can do that much for you though. I'm ok with any lynch other than the confirmed, farside, and aseoirfhsv. oh and id rather not get lynched either.

Oh yeah.

[Albert B. Rampage]

GG.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I actually didn't read the rule that scum wins if there are no roses left.

I think the game would be far more balanced this way.

Scum can kill 5 times in 2 nights, missed vig shots notwithstanding, it really comes down to the night play.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If ico had shot vecna/lilith, we would have won too.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If we lynched maria day 2 instead of eyestot we would also win.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think I just have to enter every game scumreading you now

I didn't understand how you could scumread me lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

Overall town outplayed scum here but got fucked by luck. Most of the town had accurate reads.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Overall town outplayed scum here but got fucked by luck. Most of the town had accurate reads.

I enjoyed your performance in the game as I usually do, ABR, but I'm not sure if I agree with your statement above, seeing how Town only had 8/11 * 7/10 * 7/10 =

35.6%

chance of completely missing scum with their D1 Lynch and two N1 Vigs, and missed anyway.

Once the lynch percentage got a lot higher

as Don said above was only when town started to hit scum. (D2 Lynch

3/7

chance of hitting scum ignoring the soft clear on farside, and D3 Lynch

2/3

chance of hitting scum)

And then town N2 Gun missed scum when he had 1/3 chance of hitting scum, which means every town gun missed. (Chance of this happening is 7/10 * 7/10 * 2/3 =

32.7%

)

I believe that town performed quite poorly in this game.

You can't say town performed poorly when something_smart, firebringer, farside, vecna, me, a whole bunch of players were right about maria/eyestot since day 1.

This game should have been on easy mode.

What I mean by luck is that scum only hit a bulletproof once. We lynched eyestot who was a night 1 gun instead of a night 2 gun like Maria.

If scum had hit just one more bulletproof, or lynched a night 2 gun scum, town would win.

Don made it impossible to lynch eyestot/maria day 1, and impossible to lynch maria day 2, who was the only person we could have prevented from getting their shot off.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I enjoyed your performance in the game as I usually do, ABR, but I'm not sure if I agree with your statement above, seeing how Town only had 8/11 * 7/10 * 7/10 = 35.6% chance of completely missing scum with their D1 Lynch and two N1 Vigs, and missed anyway.

This % ignores bulletproof.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If cakez didn't tunnel on me Lilith was dead too! I didn't understand the mechanics about needing to keep roses alive or I would have played this differently as well.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think 2/3 scum agreed to release the scum PT

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unfortunately, town's performance is graded as a whole, not by how good its individuals' reads were.

I think the

scumhunting performance

was on point, roses just chose wrong nights. If votato really was night 3 rose it was gg. votato nobody will ever kill you night 1

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also if you’re a town gun then surely it also doesn’t make sense to stay so quiet that you risk being lynched and being forced to claim/just lynched and not being able to shoot

I don't think ABR fears getting lynched Day 1. at all

or I should say "I don't think abr even imagines he gets mislynched day 1".

or he is scum.Just saying there are a few quiet players in the game. But, but, but, I will play devil's advocate and allow that possibility go for now.

idk I feel like I might be overthinking abr mindset since he isn't posting much to show what he is really thinking and this could all just be he just isn't interested in this game.

a literal he just isn't interested in us. What a shame.

But ABR is one of those players I consider in that big egocentric mindsets. And that mindset would definitely go for the whole plan of "well I have a gun, ill lie low so scum don't try to shoot me since I am a strong player, and then I can aim at whoever I find scum"

I mean I would consider that thought process to naturally comes to someone like ABR it makes so much sense that is his approach right now.

If he had a rose, even if he wasn't interested I think he would have posted more.

Firebringer outted me day 1

He was bang on with everything above.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I wasn't going to take over the game day 1 if I had a night 1 gun. After this was explained, and you still tunneled me, I figured you were being purposely dense.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If we had just lynched Don day 1 I think we would also win, what a shame.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I should have picked Night 2 gun lol. I had a lot of fun in this game. You guys are cool.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I would love to join a game with the same player list, if you guys see anything game in the queue you like, give me a shout. Don too, it was fun to play with you. In my mind you are Titus.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So Don was Titus after all! I knew it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Titus scumreads me in every game I'm town every time she is town. She's gone 7 for 7 I think. The one time I was scum she didn't suspect me lol.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I still enjoy playing with Titus but it's like playing with a handicap because her reads are always wrong and she always gets the false positive on me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It took a long time to build your alt, we get it Titus. Nobody believes your lies outside of the game though lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

We don't work well together because you always target me, so I make your life difficult, and we tear the town apart together and inadvertently help the scum win.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We had eyestot and Maria dead to rights day 1. You just went after me out of nowhere, dragging 4 town votes with you and killing all the momentum the town had gained. We could have it all. You had my heart inside your hand but you played it with a beating.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We don't work well together because you always target me, so I make your life difficult, and we tear the town apart together and inadvertently help the scum win.

No. You make town's life difficult with your theatrics and needing to be the best slot. I don't target you until you start lording over players.

I have zero interest in actually playing with you until you learn humility. The lack of humility and hero shots is why you lost. It's an example you set.

You have it all wrong. I

minded my own business

until I was

targeted

. I cannot appease you and at the same time play to the meta that Cakez/farside/etc. expect of me when I'm town, so it's necessary for me to put on a character, which you confuse with my personality.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Great, that has zilch to do with me. That's an ABR problem. If you can't work with varying people, that's a you problem.

The world doesn't revolve around conforming to your idea of a good human being. Of course I'm good at this game and I know it, my actions demonstrate it, my results prove it, and you can ask the players in this game yourself about my performance, which wasn't flawless, but also wasn't disastrous like DonCorleone's play.

I think you rather stick your head in the sand and assume that I'm at the cause of every loss everywhere. I might be a symbol of the antagonism you need to sustain your own negative feelings. You should look into that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Please let me know what question if yours I'm not directly answering so you can stop using buzzwords. That'd be lovely

Hmm, maybe Maria is town

.... am I not allowed to have emotions while playing mafia now?

That's not what I'm saying and I'm pretty sure you know it.

Okay, is this better: you're calling me fake for playing emotionally

Lilith and Maria probably not aligned either?

Can we lynch ABR now?

Do you see mariah's pov in the post?

Nope, I’m not seeing her as posting from an informed perspective

We have 15 hrs let’s make this happen!

Do you see mariah's pov in the post?

Nope, I’m not seeing her as posting from an informed perspective

you think she would? or is this normally how u scumhunt looking for informed perspectives?

No, I’m saying farside is saying that she thinks mariaR’s pov is off (ie coming from an informed perspective) and I’m saying I don’t see it

@don: Why are you town reading maria

Yes, yes, give me a second to pull posts

VoteCount 1.6

eyestott [4] - Knightmare491, SirCakez, Firebringer, Albert B. Rampage
Knightmare491 [2] - eyestott, DonCorleone
votato [4] - lilith2013, farside22, Iconeum, chkflip
Iconeum [1] - votato
farside22 [1] - Vecna
Firebringer [1] - MariaR

Not Voting [1]

- Something_Smart

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-02 23:35:31)

Votato has been a wagon almost all game, and I think they've made some pretty genuine posting. It also has 2 people I'm fine with voting at the moment. Shockingly, they're mostly townread (Lilth and farside) so this'll at least get someone to start talking. As for Eye, I need to go iso them because I'm pretty sure I skipped the point of the game where they posted at all.

*be mariaR
*rep into a game where your slot is under mild suspicion at best
*decide to instigate a fight with two relatively consensus townreads
*????
*PROFIT

I actually really like eyesctott they're coming back from a break or something if I read that correctly and the tone of there posts is really light and relaxed. Like they're just kinda here ya know? I don't see any agenda in their posting. So that raises the question is scum sitting back and just letting these wagons go?

Maybe. Might I suggest a Vecna Farside or Lilth wagon in the meantime? Lets put some life into this game!

I agree with her take on the gamestate even if I more or less disagree with her reads. I think Lilith is pretty hard town now, Vecna could be scum and you’re(farside) still more on the side of town than on the side of scum when I balance it

Lilith I feel is forcing her emotions. When I look at her iso I see so many tone shifts. That in and of itself isn't scummy. But when it looks like a pattern that's when it becomes a problem. Whenever she was pushing a scumread it got aggro and whenever it was not it went to friendly/causal. Combine that with the biggest iso in the game and I don't really see strong reasons to townread her. (I could look into her votes but I was being lazy) I think she's a fine vote because she's building up her own advantage. I could quote posts but I don't think this is really shocking info.

Farside, on the other hand, is a really popular townread and I find that super interesting! I can't really get to point A to point B with her. Like I think she has her expectations super high with certain things and not with others. The Cakez read that I brought up for example before. Also check her 2 reads lists in 411 and /781 I didn't see it at first, but really I think she's just trying to shift her gameplay to fit the currant situation. Whatever that may be. I don't see towny solving or good follow up to her scumhunting.

I think this is a really weird decision for scum to push on these two simultaneously as opposed to going for any of the like half of the slots in the game. I don’t think her Lilith take is good overall because I think Lilith has been genuinely trying to solve in ISO but I remember not thinking Lilith was that towny early and disliking her S_S push, so I can jive with Maria thinking this here

THE DOUBLE SCUM TAG TEAM OH BABY I LOVE THIS. Live interaction is my stick lets go, sweeties,

Maria being aggressive and not appeasing

Please let me know what question if yours I'm not directly answering so you can stop using buzzwords. That'd be lovely

Maria being sarky and not appeasing

See I've never dodged a question in my life. If there's ever a question I don't wanna answer I'll tell you. So if you think I dodged a question point it out to me. Saying people dodge questions and thinking no one is gonna bring it up is stupid that's like mafia 101. Just because you're not satisfied with the answer you're given does not mean someone is dodging.

Maria being aggressive again. Like I said, I think Maria being ~*sweet*~ is probably a reasonably strong indicator that she’s scum and I wouldn’t describe her play as ~*sweet*~ here

viewtopic.php?t=82590&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Look how measured and reasonable Maria is in this game

Now compare and contrast with her this game and where she’s pushed

viewtopic.php?t=81773&f=150&st=0&sk=t&s ... er_sort=Go

MariaR being fundamentally quite nice and reasonable, lazily tunnelling her “scumreads” without really bothering to explain them, she flipped scum

viewtopic.php?t=80240&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

MariaR being aggressive/abrasive, pushing her SRs from early on and explaining them as she goes

She flipped town

Agree that Maria should not be locked as town but I think based on her posting so far she’s an inferior lynch to any of (ABR, eyestott, knightmare, Vecna, cakez?, S_S?)

Agree that Maria should not be locked as town but I think based on her posting so far she’s an inferior lynch to any of (ABR, eyestott, knightmare, Vecna, cakez?, S_S?)

This is basically PoE btw

I think all of

Fire, Lilith, Maria, chkflip, votato have done things that make them unlikely scum

I feel less confident on Icon and farside but I think they’re still more on the townside of things, they’re in my re-ISO again list

S_S seemed town early on but I want to check him too

Cakez has been pretty forgettable so I’d like to re-ISO him later too

All of the remaining 4 (ABR, eyestott, Knightmare, Vecna) haven’t really been doing much, Vecna more than the others

So narrowing it down narrowing it down I’d probably say that the ideal atm is (ABR, eyestott, Knightmare) but idk if I trust there to be two scum who are completely lurking it out which means that if it’s ABR +1 of the two lurkers then in my more towards null pile is probs the final scum

Same how she called out an unsubstantiated scumread on me, got slapped around, then proceeding to try and buddy me while leaving her vote on me.

Did you read me towncasing Maria?

Maria is probably town. Cakez could be scum here trying to defend me because he thinks I'm going down and wants to be on the right side of things.

I'll self-vote right now if ABR agrees to self-vig on pain of a guaranteed D2 lynch after I flip town.

This is why town lost. With some other minor factors as well.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I win more than I lose.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Start looking for that in all of your games because the meta is teamwork.

You have a 37% town win rate and 42% overall win rate.

My town and overall win rates are easily over 50%.

My way of doing things has value to the players that sign up with me. All facts.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ask the players if they had fun with me or not, and if I helped my wincon or not, the answer to both is clear Titus. Thank you.