White flag #824 game over

[Datisi]

first!

VOTE: implosion

you know what you did

[Datisi]

Datisi! Did you roll town?

i did! did you?

[Datisi]

and that is supposed to be a pro-town thing because...?

[Datisi]

If someone sticks to a questionable TR it’s probably a partner tell

eh. i get the ides, but (1) i probably ruined it by having it be elaborated upon out loud and (2) can this not be done the old school way? like, if scum wants to townread their partners based on dubious reasoning, they can. and we can just... ask people to talk about their townreads?

like, this feels like something that's bound to just produce way more distractions and false positives than actually find scumpartners.

[Datisi]

when i read 20, it did feel to me like a vaguely pointless question, so seeing n_m's 21 right after it was nice. n_m can be town for now, and my rvs vote is no longer rvs.

[Datisi]

my last game with implosion gave me the impression that he is A Math Nerd, so i can definitely see town!implo's brain automatically going "1 out of 25 is 4%!!". so that part doesn't worry me, but yeah. the post itself isn't great.

[Datisi]

i was gonna make a post saying how i also didn't like guiltylion, because him naked voting implo without any given thought felt odd, because in the coalition run i recently modded, he voted on page one after providing decent reasoning first. ...and then i went to actually *check* the game, and realized that no, i misremembered, he naked voted there too and provided reasoning later. so nevermind, carry on.

[Datisi]

...

[Datisi]

I also don't vibe with your Datisi scumread, I feel 47 is town!indicative from him because if he were scum wanting to bullshit a read on me he would have likely checked the Coalition game first to see whether he could find something different in my play,

rather than claiming suspicion first without checking

. Forgetting that I naked voted in the last game doesn't feel to me like the kind of fake thought process that scum would make up if he knew I'm town here

i am not sure i like this. specifically the bolded part, that never happened. i didn't claim suspicion on you without checking - at the time of typing 47, i had already checked coalition and knew you weren't actually suspicious for naked voting.

you're correct that scum!me doesn't fake forgetting you naked voted there. however, implo is right in saying that it's possible (from your pov at least) that this is scum!me genuinely forgetting you naked voted in coalition, going back to check whether that's true and whether i can shitpush you on that basis, and then realizing that no, i cannot, because i misremembered; but hey, makes a nice ~solvey~ post.

like, this post gives me a vague feeling of guiltylion knowing i'm town and working backwards to make this post, as opposed to working out my alignment, if that makes sense?

[Datisi]

hi goats, could you please get an avatar? makes the game easier to read for me if everyone has one.

[Datisi]

VOTE: Datisi

Don't like his slate of posting so far. 14, 44, 46 and 47 all feel like "yes, i am here and doing things in this game, and thinking about things, how are you fellow townies". Especially the latter two. I also feel like the statement "my rvs vote is no longer rvs"

has

to be >rand scum. It just has to be. I don't really see how 20 from me being a "vaguely pointless question" makes it a scummy post. I can certainly understand seeing that post as scummy but I don't like the way Datisi's described it.

i don't

love

this obviously, but i can see where it's coming from. "how are you fellow townies" feels like a good enough description of my play so far (something something weak early game, rvs is bad), and while i'm tired of the "datisi scum because weak/akward/jokey tone!" reads, i've heard them from town enough times to not get worked up over them.

an egoistical part of me also wanted to say that i don't think implo chooses *me* to attack with such reasoning, but pretty sure he's also never seen my towngame, so /shrug.

also, i liked the first part of 86, so. UNVOTE:

[Datisi]

How do you like this one?

it's beautiful, thank you.

[Datisi]

actually i think i'm gonna VOTE: bugspray

i don't think gamma provided any *great* rebuttals to bugspray, so the fact that they unvoted him anyway, and then voted implo (who just so happened to be the leading wagon) without any actual thoughts written out for why they did that? and with seeming a lot of confidence?

[Datisi]

actually i think i'm gonna VOTE: bugspray

i don't think gamma provided any *great* rebuttals to bugspray, so the fact that they unvoted him anyway, and then voted implo (who just so happened to be the leading wagon) without any actual thoughts written out for why they did that? and with seeming a lot of confidence?

Did you see me explain why Gamma was most likely the mafia in that equation?

i did, i just don't really agree. i don't think the way 76 was written implies that gamma solely thought that bugs is lacking reading comprehension in a way that's completely unrelated to their alignment.

what do you think of gamma's 78 saying that his vote is partly meta? i find it weird you didn't ask about it when declaring gamma's reasoning made up. (not scummy-weird, just weird.)

[Datisi]

76 implies lack of reading comprehension sure, but i don't think i necessarily has to imply only that? or like, it can imply "this person is scum because they skimmed my posts, saw a surface level contradiction, didn't bother to try to understand it and have instead decided to attack me for it". which can be called a lack of reading comprehension, but in a way that comes from scum.

[Datisi]

not really, gamma is pretty null to me so far. i wasn't *thrilled* with his responses (or his play so far in general), but i don't think it makes him scum. he's Fine. my bigger point was that i'm not sure why bugs unvoted him, if they had already thought he's scum.

[Datisi]

hm. both infinity and gamma remind me of them from that c9++ game. or rather infinity reminds me of her from that game, and her townread of gamma was correct there so if she's town here it's prooobably correct here too?

[Datisi]

i am not sure i like this. specifically the bolded part, that never happened. i didn't claim suspicion on you without checking - at the time of typing 47, i had already checked coalition and knew you weren't actually suspicious for naked voting.

you did claim suspicion on me though

i was gonna make a post saying how i also didn't like guiltylion, because him naked voting implo without any given thought felt odd, because in the coalition run i recently modded, he voted on page one after providing decent reasoning first

Maybe I should have rephrased my post to say "claimed

to have

suspicion on me", I didn't mean to imply you were claiming to suspect me in *this* thread, but you very clearly expressed that you were suspicious of me prior to having checked Coalition, that's the point I was making

oh, i see. yeah, that makes a bit more sense, thanks. remind to pick this up again (if i forget) when implo reacts to 130.

[Datisi]

Okay I got three pages in

...?

why would you make a readslist three pages in when the whole game is 6 pages long?

[Datisi]

This is an interesting response because part of my issue with those posts are that they kind of

reminded me of things that i misread as town from you in the one game we've played together

(that I remember at least). Unvoting me is also very interesting.

could you elaborate on the bolded, like say what those things were/are? and what does ~interesting~ mean here?

[Datisi]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=85788?

i was wondering if you'd be able to reproduce those things from memory, considering you said you found me suspicious over them, but /shrug.

[Datisi]

i absolutely don't believe pooky's read on me here is serious. whether it's a ~*reaction test*~ or a plain old shitpush remains to be seen.

[Datisi]

I heard murdercat is hiding in the forest somewhere being a baddie bad so maybe we yeet him instead.

...?

i am not next in the firing line because...?

[Datisi]

Instead what I am pushing on is your thought process, what I am saying is that it's really hard for me to grok town in your shoes seeing a scumread voting another scumread and using that as evidence to reinforce their scumread on both players, particularly in a white flag game. You're starting with a conclusion you want to push ("GL is scum") and then arguing from that position in the face of what should have been relatively decent-to-strong evidence immediately to the contrary.

:/

guilty, do you really genuinely believe that one person voting another in what was essentially rvs is" decent-to-strong evidence" for the two of them not being partnered?

[Datisi]

VOTE: Dwlee

are you still scumreading implosion and what are your other reads

like this vote was pretty much a "play the game" poke, which is really really not difficult to move away from, especially if nobody bites and joins you.

and the "why would scum!me do it if i would have to walk back from it later" is nothing but wifom and you know it. why does scum do anything if they will later have to follow up on it? besides, you obviously thought that the vote should be some sorta evidence to you not being partners with dwlee (considering how fast you were to rip into goats for daring to suggest otherwise), so why would you not do it?

[Datisi]

sigh. VOTE: guiltylion

dwlee, why is guiltylion your top townread?

[Datisi]

But why would scum!Datisi go through with posting that regardless afterwards once he confirmed it wasn't indicative and I was consistent across the two games?

...why not? He'd just be doing it to emulate a town thought process. But etc.

also i wanted to go back to this for a second. this is pretty much correct, if scum!me thought i saw a difference between two town!guiltylions, then realized i was wrong, i would still write that out to simulate solving.

i guess my q is, why are you so sure that i don't post that as scum? i *think* your idea of my scumgame is pretty outdated, but i know you read at least one of my morr recent games, so i'm curious how you got here.

[Datisi]

is the bottom ordered? and you're still free to explain why you townread him

[Datisi]

I don't look at the first or second vote of my scumreads and assume that means they're partnered or aligned, that's usually evidence they aren't aligned

but that's not what happened. goats didn't assume that your vote on dwlee meant you were aligned, they thought the vote didn't mean that you aren't aligned. it feels like you're kind of claiming the former when i feel like it's pretty obvious the latter happened.

but even if i'm misreading again, "scum never throwaway votes partners early game" is such a bad(?) take to the point i really struggle to believe you genuinely think that? like this wasn't a serious wagon-building vote, it was a "hi it's page 6 do you have reads" vote. in a setup that will later on boil down to teamhunting, meaning distancing is important. :/

[Datisi]

I don't see scummy things. The weirdest thing has been his reaction to goats claiming we could be partnered which might be a caught for the wrong reasons kind of thing but also could just be frustrated town.

oookay

so what scummy things do you see in your bottom 4 then?

bugspray
implosion
Klick
Datisi

[Datisi]

in spite of everything i find myself having an odd gut read that dwlee is town lol

when did this happen??

[Datisi]

in spite of everything i find myself having an odd gut read that dwlee is town lol

when did this happen??

around 275

surprisingly enough that post made me feel worse about them

idk if it's partnery, but it definitely sounds like a "scum defending a suspicious townie that they know wouldn't convince anyone". and also something rubbed me the wrong way about our exchange of:

- "why is this person town?"
- "i don't see scummy things"
- "okay, why are your scumreads scum?"
- "poe from finding town"

but maybe i'm nitpicking, i know i should stop tunnelling semantics. sometimes.

[Datisi]

Do I need to pull the receipts for yall to listen to me? I can when I wake up and get out of bed on my PC later today

i want to townread guiltylion for this, because my first instinct when i'm town and being pushed for things i know are nonsense is "look, here's a dump of 10 billion of my town and scum posts that prove that i never do this thing, can you piss off" so i definitely feel that. and also i was skimming dnc here and there when it was happening and i think that annoyance lines up. wouldn't mind seeing a few examples you offered, though.

[Datisi]

Datisi please reread goats posts assuming you had my green flip

The way he pushes me just vibes scum to me. Arrogant, making up narratives, not grounded in any genuine suspicion. I think he knows I'm green as well

okay, i did, but here's the thing. i still think this post is bad:

and especially how would my vote on Dwlee make sense as a partner vote when this is explicitly a setup that punishes bussing more than usual? Like if I were scum the last thing I would be doing right now is voting a partner when I could probably come up with an excuse to vote almost anyone

like, even if you are town and it's actually true that you would never vote a partner like that, let's assume that's the case. there was no way for the rest of us to know that at the time, and my reaction to this (and the following discussion that panned out) was definitely that you're scummy. because it did feel like you were purposefully conflating and over exaggerating that a post doesn't come from partners when from an outside perspective it feels like it easily can, and then misrepping by saying that they read it as specifically partner indicative (when to me it felt more like a "not evidence to the contrary" read).

i got a feeling while reading that interaction that you were purposefully trying to emulate your play from coalition, where you went hard after someone early, because you knew i (and possibly implo) were watching and comparing the two games.

even now i'm mulling over whether something like 230 makes sense from a town!pov, because even if you know that you yourself don't vote a partner like that, obviously you thought that the vote would be a somewhat of a good distance, and this is a setup where distancing is important (or i guess, important-er), and goats probably had no idea about that part of your meta. does it make sense to think that seeing a vote/read like that cannot come from town...?

if you want to point out which posts you feel like are obvious scum because of the way they're pushing you, please do. but uh, even if the mod announced you were town right now, i really don't think i'd think goats is scum here, because their attack on you seems... reasonable? a bit asshole-ish, but reasonable.

[Datisi]

guilty, if you want a break from talking about goats, could you address my 247 please? (i'll read the big post soon i promise)

[Datisi]

re 331:

alright. i think you're using incorrect logic to reach the right conclusion, but i'm not *too* interested in arguing with you about why you shouldn't be townreading me off of that. i can see your thought process as genuine, so. back to here.

VOTE: bugspray

[Datisi]

i feel like making a triangle but some people need to post a bit more for me to do that

@dwlee, can you like, talk about your placements? iat least some that confuse you? why is bugs in the bottom tier as opposed to the middle one?

[Datisi]

why is guiltylion a "duh"? i don't think you actually said anything about him, other than you liked he kicked your ass into high gear, and then later on that you don't see anything scummy from him. did i miss you talking more in depth about him somewhere?

also uh, do you wanna talk about anything wrt me?

[Datisi]

hm. bugs, why do you keep your vote on gamma if you have three other suspicions?

VOTE: murdercat

anyway yeah, this is reminding me of to tell the truth murdercat.

[Datisi]

can you give a tl;dr for those? especially for flea.

[Datisi]

Infinity and I are masons (

less likely to go e me time to post as scum

)
Implo also tone and

wagon dynamics

but I've liked some of his thoughts as well

explain the two bolded ones

and the reason your vote is still on pooky is...?

[Datisi]

[sarcasm] klick is lockscum because he has a townread on me. town!klick has literally

never

read me correctly, he must know i'm town. [/sarcasm]

anyway. i didn't think much of klick's 352 at first, but reading 364 did make me go back and reread and realize that i'm not sure i vibe with that. like, goats was talking about why gl/dwlee are possible / not ruled out as partners in 223, and then klick took it as ???. though maybe i'm misunderstanding, so i'd like to see klick's response to 364.

also, is dwlee "not trying to convince us they're town" really worth them being a strong townread?

also also, something about having the strongest scumread on guiltylion, but not voting him, but that's more my own annoyance than an actual reason to suspect someone i guess.

i feel like making a triangle

what's a triangle?

this is a triangle (excuse the old game, when i was trying to think of recent triangles, i realized i have one (1) town one which was an utter disaster accuracy-wise, and all the other i've done recently were as scum and i feel like that's not the impression i should be giving here... though having said that lemme know if you end up wanting links to scum ones)

i *want* to say that dwlee's play around murdercat strikes me as odd in a bad way, but that would probably be more my own confbias than anything.

and yeah, i'm really not impressed with what murder's put forward so far. i'd love to say it reminds me of his scumgames i've played in, but i just realized i haven't played with him as town, so probably should not make that argument without a towngame to compare with, last time i did that i ended up sending myself into a paranoid scumreading frenzy, only for the person to turn out to be a friendly neighbour lol

[Datisi]

This kinda stepping into other shoes stuff, trying to twist around and figure out mindsets and attitudes and whether or not someone is playing with a team, is something that is really hard to fake as scum (because you have to do an extra layer of it - you're stepping into the shoes of town stepping into the shoes of another player) but comes naturally for townies.

reskimming again, i'm not sure i vibe with this read. mainly, a read like "this person is lazy so probably town" feels like one of the easier reads to fake as scum, because you don't really have to put nuance into it or analyze if their few reads are scum or town motivated, you just slap a "lazy town" sticker on it and move on. not saying those kinda reads don't come from town, but goats painting it as "really hard to fake as scum" rubs me the wrong way

[Datisi]

because the "haha guys i can read murdercat and he's not obvious scum so he's probtown" is like, a lazy read that i've done as scum before (tbf it was towards a townie), but coupled with then weirdly shifting him in the middle because he's obviously being a non-entity, then dropping him down completely but not voting him until someone else did just strikes me as weird - like partner not wanting to scumread a buddy, but realizing the buddy is giving them literally nothing to work with (and knowing there's me/pooky here who would probably see you in a bad light if you flubbed a townread on murdercat) and voting them when others are but still like, not saying anything about him or whatever

i don't wanna get tunneled/confbiased on the above because i am aware that i rarely make early s/s reads that end up making sense, and i'm aware it's possible you were just at a wrong place at a wrong time so to speak, so idk lol

thoughts on recent murdercat posting?

[Datisi]

goats, buddy, why are you trying to make me scumread you with posts like 393?

[Datisi]

is that not essentially the same or very similar thing? like someone isn't trying to play hard, that can be easily spun into "they're not trying to convince us that they're town so town". like, i dunno, i feel like if scum!klick wanted to townread dwlee for some reason, like if dwlee is a partner or if he wanted to have some more Controversial reads, that feels like a relatively easy avenue to take if he's working backwards like that

[Datisi]

no, he was. guiltylion's post links to 376, which is my vote against murdercat. but 367 is his vote against you.

[Datisi]

speaking of which, where tf is murdercat.

[Datisi]

implo, why is infinity town?

i'm getting vaguely townish vibes but i do not trust myself to confidently sort her yet (or maybe ever idk lol)

[Datisi]

v/la 12-36 hours

it's currently 2:40 am and i'm going home from the er. i'm fine, but i'm tired and i have some classes starting tomorrow so i might not feel like posting. looks like the game is not really busy anyway, so. cheers.

[Datisi]

me being a panicked mess is mostly what happened. don't worry about me, i will be back to annoy you all soon.

[Datisi]

I’m set in not trying to eliminate MCat today

y tho

my complete lack of content is mostly because I have not read most of the game and just don't have reads

read the game

[Datisi]

meh, sure

VOTE: bugs

@murdercat, why do you dislike pooky's reads? what's the issue with him starting to think you're scum?

[Datisi]

@murdercat, why do you dislike pooky's reads? what's the issue with him starting to think you're scum?

You are a strong town read of mine, and he is calling you scum? I'm not sure I understand the question really. When someone has a read that is directly opposed to mine I tend to question if they have the same mindset as me.

that's fine, but i'm not talking about his read on me, i'm talking about his read on you. it seemed pretty reasonable at the time, at least to me, so what's bad there? i'm talking about the "The switch to me being scum after being null a few posts ago is bad too." part of 484.

[Datisi]

i will say that that is y-2 with a n_m in game, so chill with the votes for now.

murdercat definitely feels more solvey to me than he did in tttt. whether he's capable of scumplay like this i don't know, but i have other things that i wanna sort out right now. mainly bugspray.

[Datisi]

UNVOTE:

i am very annoyed because i have decent faith in myself to read bugs, had they actually read the damn game and reacted to it. i saw one post from the slot that pinged me as townie, and i really wanted to see the further reaction. but nsg is supposed to be an easy read so we'll see.

i have some vague thoughts on pooky/mc but i'm struggling to form anything concrete which is annoying. i know pooky actually believes the meta he's laid out, but i also think that the first time i saw him use that meta, i thought it was incorrect. don't remember why right now, though.

i kind of dislike pooky's stance on me, like i felt like there was more in his wallpost on me than "feels like implo buddy", and him basically skipping over that read after townreading implo feels... weird? can't say i see clear scum motivation for it.

will try to sit down and make myself have Proper Stances on this mess in a few hours, after my class.

[Datisi]

poooooky convince me your read on my slot wasn't [redacted for cyrus]

[Datisi]

I dont really see why I need to express a read on you?

i mean, you don't need to. my issue ig is that you expressed what seemed to be a scumread that wasn't completely dependent on implosion being red, but once you gave up on the idea of him being red, there was no... i don't know, anything about your read on me? when i'd kinda expect there to be something?

also idk what i think about meta on mc, mostly because i've never seen the og real town mc, so.

[Datisi]

@nsg, why am i so high?

[Datisi]

i would feel like that is a dangerous game to play, i wouldn't complain because you're townread me, but i would still ask you to elaborate to see how you arrived there

[Datisi]

i don't think i'm yet in in the uber obvtown mode, no, but my surprise comes moreso from the fact that you've so far mentioned me only once in your catchup, and as "moderately townie". also, if i wanna read someone better by discussing their reads, the easiest one to discuss is the one on myself.

and sure, when i'm town, i'm pretty much always making some vague mental notes of what works and what doesn't for when i roll scum. debatable how much of them i actually end up remembering, though.

[Datisi]

i wanted to sit down and properly (re)read some stuff but Things happened and now i don't feel like doing that so i will go to sleep and do that tomorrow.

[Datisi]

ok cool 10 new pages. though i'm gonna reread from my 596 bc i feel like that's where i last had some grasp on this game so realistically 15. yay.

1. the scumread was entirely based on implo scum it got thrown out when the scumread on implo got thrown out

2. i linked a game with the og real town mc so you can just read it to see what baseline im comping this to

1. i reskimmed your original wallpost, or at least the parts where you talked about me, and it didn't seem like it was purely an implo partner read

2. i don't do second hand meta, nothing good comes from that. if you wanna link specific posts in the other game or tell me what is different, i can take a look.

you think im defending my scumbuddy bugspray in white flag

you choose then to not hammer bugspray when doing it would pretty much kill me/bugspray and win the game.

like what!?!??!

i hate posts like these, i've had it so many times that someone yells at me how i'm calling someone scum but i don't want them hammered right there because i'm not ready to end the day yet. if you were iconeum, i'd kill you for this post. but i think i heard you say something like this as town before? no idea where.

*that said*, i also hate mc's posts like 490, 505, 573. it feels like overly simplistic logic? like, there's no questioning as to why pooky is scumreading us, and there's also no comment on the fact that he did start townreading us shortly after?

let's 1v1 me and dwlee please

where the hecc did this come from? [yes, i read later on that mc wants to go through with a viable wagon or something, but i'm gonna need some more explanation from him for why dwlee is scum here? it can be linked too, wouldn't be surprised if i missed it. i went back to mc's wallpost to check, but it doesn't feel fully explained there, so eli5 pls]

also, as much as it pains to say, i'm still feeling n_m is town. this level of effort feels like he gives half a shit about this game. comparing it to my last two game played with him, and some other game i was skimming where bingle said that efforting!n_m is town!n_m, this is fine.

re nsg's 702: this makes me feel like nsg's in-the-middle-of-catching-up townread of me wasn't properly explained? like, i get not wanting to really get into things before being fully caught up, but the way 702 is phrased makes it feel like those people that she's weakly-townreading-to-nullreading haven't had enough content for her to sort properly yet, which in turn makes me think that she think i have had enough content out to be sorted, which means i'd like to hear about it, even though i know it might not hold up by the time she finishes catching up. something about reading the mindset in that moment or soemthing.

unless the answer is "datisi, ur scumgame is [cyrus] so ur a townread", which, ouch, but also understandable.

stopping here, my eyes are glazing over, be back soon.

[Datisi]

like why would town!you even be indifferent between you/dwlee which one gets elimmed

I didn't say I was indifferent to who got limmed

this is the stuff that scum pooky does by the way

Like this is scum pooky trying to make someone look bad by twisting words, not town pooky genuinely trying to sort me or even get town to agree I'm scum.

I'm not twisting your words, its literally what you said.

"Vote me or vote dwlee"

lol

this feels similar to what i described above, i guess... like, if someone is adamant in 1v1ing someone, saying "vote between us" obviously doesn't mean that the person doesn't actually care who gets voted out. this post feels like more trying to twist words and their literal meaning when it's pretty clear what was implied.

+1 to 720 to wanting to see an example.

you know, i really gotta get the ellibereth marketing team to help me get a tell named after me. i want people to be using the "northtell" or the "NSGtell" even if they've never heard of me

for what's it worth, i've been thinking of the cognitive load tell as "the northsidegal tell", pretty much.

i'm very tempted to just blindly sheep 751. guiltylion has like, a decent post-count with most if not all of it being active solving? good enough for d1. says mc is town because he actually read the links people posted? yeah ok.

however, i did open the link to mini 2170 that pooky linked in 753, and it's worrying to say the least, because i skimmed the timestamps of the whole first page of his iso happened around the start of the game? also i noticed n_m was scum in that game too and i opened his iso and it had like 80 posts and now i'm questioning whether the "n_m posted something so he's town" actually should be used anymore and fuck, i didn't want to have to think why is this game forcing me to think

Pooky - I see where you're coming from, I definitely don't think this is inspiring play from MC, but I noticed in another game he said "Infinity knows me best" and I think Infinity's meta read holds up

erm. i'm not sure if this should be taken at face value, considering murdercat and infinity were scum together in that game... also making a note right away, if neither infinity nor murdercat comment on the fact that you're pulling up this meta that might not be accurate due to obvious reasons, i'm going to be looking at both mc and infy for not saying anything.

784 feels overly simplified, and i guess nsg's vote in 786 is then a Mini Mindmeld?

the new head in goats pings me as gut townie? idk why. ...and i turn the page and there's 800, lol.

Just because it looks like I'm not doing much, it doesn't mean I'm not doing much.

while this is an absolute mood, i'm not sure i like this being paired in with such... defensiveness? omgus? i dunno. like if you admit it looks like you're not doing anything, are you really surprised someone is scumreading you for it? do you think town!guiltylion should've not scumread you there?

bottom of page 33, later.

[Datisi]

I can name the divergent solving tell after you but you need a snazzy name for it

Did NSG actually start that? I mostly associate this “divergent” thing with Bell because it’s near-always used on him

is "this person solves more as town" a tell now? well thinking about it, i guess it makes some sense, but eh. feels like a way too broad thing to be considered a specific tell imo. or like, way too applicable to too many players. does that make sense? anyway.

i know i used it earlier, but i gotta point out anyway, i find it very amusing that people are using "[cyrus]" to bleep swears.

reading through pooky/infy on page 36/37, i'm getting vibes that's t/t, and i'm not really sure why i'm gut town on pooky when i feel like half his posts are either exaggerating something or pushing an agenda but here we are???

however, 916 is... uh. back into same old. for reference, i played in ss4, and pooky's certain read of scum!ydrasse and scum!chara came like, 150 pages into the game on day 4 or 5, after an extensive reread of the first few days. (there was a big twist at the end of d3, which caused the town to have to go back and reread to try to figure out what was happening.) pooky showed extreme certainty in the two reads, yes, but it was after much more content and much more analysis. saying that his mc read here is "nearly in the same manner" as his two reads there is... not true.

i'm trying to think of where i've seen pooky act this defeatist, and the only games i can think of is the cursed miccro 960 and that one secret hitler marathon i modded, and he was town in both...

@pooky, do you ever spew baseless ate as scum like that?

Their NM read actually has me thinking NM might just be thread spewed?

He's receiving so many town reads (including even, I'm seeing now, from Pooky somehow),

and while I typically don't like these kinda reads if I was a wolf with NM I would bus the hell out of that guy.

Maybe the prior town reads on him though would negate that. Meh. He's still wolfy imo.

coming from an experience of sample size 1, scum!n_m does not always get bussed by his team, if he's being townread by the townies, there's generally no danger in just leaving him be, especially as there's rarely actual policy yeets here.

i feel like i should be having Opinions on implo's 957, but i don't.

and i'm back to my first catchup post. yay.

[Datisi]

1

GuiltyLion

2

Datisi

3

Gamma Emerald

4

PookyTheMagicalBear

5

Infinity 324

6

MURDERCAT

7

goats

8 Dwlee99
9

northsidegal

10

implosion

11

Klick

12

Not_Mafia

13 Flea the Magician

i copied the playerlist, and i decided to just strike out everyone who i had any reason to townread, and uh, yikes? however, it's a good exercise to show that i probably shouldn't be too stingy with voting/scumreading someone just because i had this one townping on them 3 years ago

i looked at the vc to try to get an idea where to vote, i saw dwlee being the leading wagon, i opened their iso to try to see what's up, i saw like 120 posts of mostly one liners that i mostly don't remember and my head hit the desk

dwlee, can you like tldr your view of the game or something idk

[Datisi]

oh yeah, tttt was a thing that happened. did he do that there? i know he did at least at one point, but that might've been at the last day when he was already in autoloss

i should go check but i don't want to go back to that clusterfuck

[Datisi]

Spoiler: ttttscum!pooky in tttt, circa lylo

lol clidd nice throw

i had the scum team dead to rights yesterday but you insisted on killing infinity and now you want to complete the throw cuz ur mad at me about something outside the game

clap clap clap clap

nothing personal but you've been wrong all game and instead of reseting you insist on completing the throw

this isnt ate you're just straight throwing

like i was fine yesterday with you ignoring my reads to yeet my top townpick cuz it literally didnt matter as long as you followed dwlees plan but now you want to ditch the plan to straight up throw the game and thats just epic hilarious

Let's see.

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

clap clap clap

great play clidd

top tier

gg i was town

just waiting for the end. thanks for trying clidd

just do it dude this is such a waste of time holy shit

even if i ignore the fact that the lylo was the last ditch effort while here it's still "only" d1, i don't think this is really similar to what happened here?

unless that's what he wants me to think ooooOOOOoOoOh

[Datisi]

none that i can remember right now. i'm listening to why you're thinking i should be townreading you?

[Datisi]

@dwlee, from a skim of the later part of your iso, i see you call your thoughts on nsg nuanced, but the main thing i see is that you dislike that her reads are consensus-y?

[Datisi]

@dwlee, from a skim of the later part of your iso, i see you call your thoughts on nsg nuanced, but the main thing i see is that you dislike that her reads are consensus-y?

Specifically that they consensus with how much people have been pushed in thread, meaning NSG is going along with thread vibe when making reads

and the reason they are scum going along with the flow, as opposed to town who has similar reads to the rest of the playerlist is...?

[Datisi]

then i don't understand the distinction or how it implicates northsidegal.

[Datisi]

oh, i see. i can agree that that thought process sounds somewhat like a townie train of thought. however, that just means that my reads are in an even bigger mess than before.

[Datisi]

my baseline for scum!n_m is jk9++, where he was pretty much posting once every prod. if you want to present me with links to the games you've played with him, can look.

[Datisi]

i feel like there might be scum in dwlee/flea because of what i call the iconeum tell (no meme, i actually call it that), but implo's numbers look really pretty

who should i vote for

[Datisi]

yeah, two leading wagons at pressure refusing to vote one another

i was thinking how dwlee is town because they're not voting flea (and said they don't want to) when fae seems like the most likely counterwagon, then i wanted to vote flea, then i was like, wait if flea doesn't wanna vote dwlee who is faer most likely counterwagon, shouldn't i by the same logic be townreading fae but *then* i was like hang on a second, what would the dragon do here

[Datisi]

implo is using like, sample size 2 i feel like i really shouldn't be putting too much stock into that but his numbers are so pretty

[Datisi]

In my experience those sorts of wagons tend to be T/T cause survivalism is more likely to dictate that it's easy to just say you'd be okay with the other wagon. Although I've definitely tried to do something similar as scum before resisting hopping onto a counterwagon on myself

not sure what you mean exactly, because survivalistic scum still doesn't want their partner's wagon to go through, no?

i know it's not 100% i just thought it was funny how i thought of a tell that says both you and flea are scum and i still wanted to vote n_m

[Datisi]

VOTE: flea

meh. at least until i get a response to my q in one of the wallposts. no, this is not just a glorified "answer my question" post.

[Datisi]

Oh you said that you thought there was a scum in flea and me. I was thinking you were saying it was an T/S tell.

no, it's stricrly a s/s tell. thought you'd be familiar after c9++, sorry if it was phrased poorly.

ok looking back it was really phrased poorly, my bad

[Datisi]

In post 803, Flea The Magician wrote:
Just because it looks like I'm not doing much, it doesn't mean I'm not doing much.

while this is an absolute mood, i'm not sure i like this being paired in with such... defensiveness? omgus? i dunno. like if you admit it looks like you're not doing anything, are you really surprised someone is scumreading you for it? do you think town!guiltylion should've not scumread you there?

[Datisi]

hm. i am also in agreement that dwlee does not feel like scum

i don't exactly townread flea, however i once again realized mc has been like, a non presence. or at least felt like it.

VOTE: murdercat

my train of thought is, if murdercat flips red, good we got one, if green we just yeet pooks tomorrow (yes i am chaining)

i'm open to nsg convincing me to vote flea and implo convincing me to vote n_m. i'm gonna need a bit more than 2 games of numbers to actually make me think it's more than a policy, though.

pedit: and mc posts as i'm tying this, lol, let's see i guess

[Datisi]

why would i yeet nsg, i think her contributions are Fine and i had some townpings on bugs

i mean i'd yeet her sooner than like, guiltylion or something, but /shrug

[Datisi]

while my "why would i yeet northsidegal" wasn't a rethorical question and i would appreciate if mc gave actual reasons for saying that, 1120 is confusing At Best and it being elaborated upon would be great

[Datisi]

my train of thought is, if murdercat flips red, good we got one, if green we just yeet pooks tomorrow (yes i am chaining)

I disagree with this, I don't think a green!MC would imply a red!Pooky. I don't see how it would serve him as scum to push so hard for a singular D1 ML here

i don't think it's 100% but it's very very +scum and i would probably want to flip him like, in almost any universe with a green flip from mc because he's very capable of doing that as scum and also he's goon enough as town that i'm fine boping him there

i don't think mc (potentially incorrectly) thinking nsg is good at scum because looking at her winrates is like, a problem. but saying to yeet nsg solely because of it, then not actually backing that up with any reason (is nsg scummy? why does her flip give us info?) and in general doing about ~nothing makes me wanna yeet him more and more

[Datisi]

also he's goon enough as town that i'm fine boping him there

good*

d and n aren't even close on the keyboard lol, i wonder

[Datisi]

but imploooo, i don't wanna have to resort to policy yeeting day one, that feels like a newb trait, and i like to live in delusions where i know how to play this game

[Datisi]

enchant, there's not much on the clock, when can we expect content from you?

[Datisi]

still fine with mc dying but would want enchant doing *something* before then

still parking my vote on pooky on green flip

nsg's metacase is giving me some sorta feeling of security of her being town, maybe it's uncalled for, hope it's not. part of me wants to talk about why she finds dwlee scummy, but another part of me wonders if there's a point in doing that today

i am kind of unnerved by implo seemingly fading into the background recently. maybe it's just because he hasn't written any of those wallposts in a bit but it feels like he's playing lower effort. which doesn't necessarily imply scum but it's noticeable at least

ok cool, yell if i am needed for anything

[Datisi]

I dislike Datisi, who waiting something from me, like i could add something after 3 hours of replacement at night time, makes me think about Murder+Datisi team, expecting i say something dumb and become viable target instead.

...

yeah ok sure why not, i think this is crazy enough to be town paranoia.

[Datisi]

gg scumfucks thank for mod

when scum pt? i want to read scum pt

i love doing absolutely nothing pro-town on day one and still eating the paranoia shot on night one

Datisi! Did you roll town?

i did! did you?

yes!!! maybe finally THIS WILL BE THE GAME

i can't believe you would blatantly lie to me like this

and a silver lining to this loss: i can finally change my avatar lmao - i got sick of the other one a while back but i don't like changing my avatar while i'm on a winstreak because lucky avatar superstition i guess

[Datisi]

one day we will win together... one day...

[Datisi]

oh wow hi rc what a coincidence to see you here

[Datisi]

my pt can be made public

don't even remember what's in it by this point but meh

[Datisi]

actually why is guiltylion pinging me town? ehhhhh on second thought i'm not sure.

pain