Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

HEY EV3RY !! IT'S ME!! EVERYBODY'S FAVORITE [[Mafiascummer2016]]
GAMME
GAMMA EMERALD!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

VOTE: Dunnstral
HE'S SCUM THIS GAME, []

!!

ANYWAY, IT'S TIME FOR A [[Questionnaire]], COURTESY OF YOUR FAVRITE [[Gameshow Host]], GAMMA EMERALD. DON'T WORRY, THESE QUESTIONS ARE DEFINITELY NOT BEING USED FOR TARGETED ADVERTISING LATER!

1. WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE [[Movie/Color/Ice Cream]]?? YOU'RE WELCOME TO ANSWER [[all/any/none]] OF THIS PART!!
   
2. WHAT'S A ROLE YOU HAVEN'T BEEN IN A MAFIA GAME YET THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE? OR , WHAT'S A ROLE YOU'VE PLAYED BEFORE BUT WANT TO TRY TO PLAY BETTER SOMETIME>
   
3. WHAT DO YOU FEEL LIKE IS YOUR GREATEST STRENTH/WEAKNESS AS [[Town/Scum]]??
   
4. OUT OF THIS PLAYERLIST, WHO WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE IN 3P LIMLO WITH AS EITHER ALIGNMENT?

AS A TOKEN OF GOOD FIATH, I AM GIVING MY OWN ANSWERS AS WELL!!

• MOVIE: [Zombieland]
  COLOR: BLUE
  ICE CREAM: MINT CHOCOLATE
  
• I WOULD HONESTLY LIKE TO BE A CULT LEADER ONCE,
  
• I THINK AS TOWN I'M PRETTY SOLID WITH NARROWING SCUM DOWN, WHILST AS SCUM I HAVE A BIT OF A KNACK FOR CAUSING CHAOS THAT HELPS MY TEAM REGARDLESS OF WHETHER I SURVIVE
  
• AS A NAME BRAND [Town] I’D PROBABLY TAKE [Dunnstral] AND [Wisdom], AS THEY SEEM THE MOST RELIABLE AND READABLE. AS AN OFF BRAND I’D LIKELY TAKE STRANGEMATTER AND TOOGELOO, AS THEY SEEM LIKE THE LEAST PROBABLE ONES TO BECOME TOWN BY PLAY OVER TIME.

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s literally just courier font. I chose it because I was trying to do a spambot vibe and I feel like courier works well for that between being monospace and looking like the font I’ve seen in coding programs (or being the font, I’m not too sure)

[Gamma Emerald]

Id.

[Gamma Emerald]

You know, I figured I’d get more reactions to my RQS than I have so far, maybe people just don’t care when I do it anymore.
I am curious why Critter thinks Dunn is an easy read though.

[Gamma Emerald]

How much do you like to use meta?

[Gamma Emerald]

I used to enjoy diet Mountain Dew but can’t really have it with my anxiety medication (it’s got grapefruit juice in it)
But I’d probably still enjoy a Code Red on occasion (aka WHEN I CAN FIND ONE (read that in the voice of Dad Turner from Fairly Odd Parents))

[Gamma Emerald]

Well there goes my first guess for who you were lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh that’s probably a wait-and-see thing, I’m skeptical of people who say they can read me without proper receipts, not as in I think they’re scum but just that I have a lot of people profess to know my play that actually don’t know shit about it, but I’ll see how you approach reading me here and make a call as to whether you’re full of it when you do so and give a substantial reason for it.
I’m not gonna share the answer key for pretty much as long as I can get away with it but I have certain expectations for how different alignments will react to RQS and other oddball openers. That’s why I’m dismayed it got met with indifference this game.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m assuming you’ve read some games of mine given you’re not saying you expect to find me confusing?

[Gamma Emerald]

It's time to get an avatar for starters

Wisdom is prolly like town for this because I didn’t have an avatar and he never called me out for it and he was scum that game.

Critter is prolly like town for this because this kind of high level analysis can only come from a town player

Is this Pooky posting? I’m assuming so since Noraa tags pretty often iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

That is interesting, but I don't think limming dunn is worth it atm
would scum have fakeclaims, possibly, but I'm mostly just confused why Dunn's immediate thought was to claim flavor out of the gate

[Gamma Emerald]

You know, I figured I’d get more reactions to my RQS than I have so far, maybe people just don’t care when I do it anymore.
I am curious why Critter thinks Dunn is an easy read though.

Not surprising given that at least half of this playerbase are old timers who thinks RQS is some primordial sin.

With that said:

1. Saw 1.
2. Doctor. Finding Mafia is one thing, but predicting who Mafia will kill is a totally different story. Trying to stay off the radar as town is kinda hard too.
3. I am perfect. I have no weaknesses.
4. I would personally like to end the game before reaching LimLo.

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Page 2: Meta talk. Not really worth commenting on those.

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Page 3 - 4: Not going to lie, I had to read this few times trying to grasp what's going on. It still did not compute completely. I have no experience with Dunnstral (Or I could be pretending. Alt and all, hehe.) so "Dunnstral would or would not do this" part just flies over my CPU. I have my own theory about what is going on though. I think saying my theory out loud would not help anyone, so I am going to shut my speaker and VOTE: Dunnstral.

I would've expected pushback for it based on that. Also, pretty cool answers (and fitting for your account as well wrt 3!)
Also, Critter seems town rn

[Gamma Emerald]

low complexity is not necessarily commensurate w/ normal, nor do i think cabd just started w/ a setup and haphazardly assigned roles to it.

That said, I don't think that makes Code Red slam dunk being a PR; this is analogous to the possibility assigning the protagonist of your flavor as a VT role in theme games, something that is well within the realm of what Cabd might do.

Your actions are incomprehensible. All I know is that you are lying about your role.

How do you know she's lying? She hasn't even really said anything concrete yet.

Code Red is more like The Lancer, Mountain Dew Classic would be The Hero (if someone is confused by the tvtropes jargon, The Lancer is essentially the secondary protagonist that contrasts with the Hero)

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I think in a dunn scum world you have to at least believe it's not so beloved to the mod that it'd be not in the game at all and a fakeclaim instead.

I don't believe in a world where scum roles are anything but non mountain dew drinks at this point with mountain dew drink fakeclaims; it just makes the scum alighment being "competitor brand" extremely sloppy if this isn't the case.

That said if LLD has something that contradicts this I'll revisit when that time comes, but before that happens i'll mostly be basing my dunn read off of this interaction and not anything nebulously setup related because the pieces don't fit correctly atm.

That first line is wherin my issue lies.

My role cannot cannot cannot exist if a true claim Code Red can exist in this game and have that level of town clearing on it.

It simply cannot.

Okay, that just means flavor is not indicative of alignment? Which is a consistent thing across most ms theme games?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Extraplanetary Multiform Mobile Identifier, aka E.M.M.I.

Metroidvania games are my thing. Gotta take out my enemies. Plus, not a fan of the sheep vote on Dunn.

PEdit: you went 0/3, so. You're the type of player I immediately put my trust guard up around regardless though.

So you're assuming LLD is wrong town?

[Gamma Emerald]

Wisdom's vote on dunn is definitively rvs
Gamma's might just be inertial from rvs (although you should clarify)

I dont think wagon traction is a great tell here

yeah mine's still just RVS
I like the logic of Dunn claiming early being out-of-line with scum!dunn's MO, that is to say I think Critter's evaluation of Dunn's scum MO is accurate and the logic from there is reasonable

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ve said it in my other games and I’ll say it again: I bring an alien mindset and manipulative town playstyle to the table in a Mafia game. You’re just seeing that in practice. It is, perhaps, cruel in your eyes to put pressure on you and suggest there is nothing you can do to sway me, that you are at the whims of other things (be it people or statements or times) and you don’t even know what they are. I could apologize, but I don’t think it would be helpful. Perhaps even counterproductive. Maybe a lie.

[Gamma Emerald]

I wouldn’t say cruel either, just counter productive.

I’ll just stop you here.

If you don’t know what my aim is, how can you say it’s counterproductive?

Because towns should be working together and saying what they think and what they don’t. This whole “maybe I think one way or another” is vague. It doesn’t help ascertain if you’re town doing this or you’re scum and just want an out when your push on me fails. The reactions if you’re town are therefore tainted from the initial push being weird.

There is advantage to being subversive as town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Up!

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s bait, Critter.

[Gamma Emerald]

Not really, but I’ve wanted to say that for a bit

[Gamma Emerald]

Basically I can tell he’s being sarcastic

[Gamma Emerald]

subtly agreeing that something I did was scummy.

How is it this? I feel like in general you’re reading into things a bit much but I straight up don’t get this part

[Gamma Emerald]

Reasonable chance neither of {critter, SS} or {critter, Strange} are S/S is all i'm taking from this.

Perhaps

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m forming a few reads but I think I’d like to keep them a little closer to the best this game

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m forming a few reads but I think I’d like to keep them a little closer to the vest* this game

EBWOP

[Gamma Emerald]

(to be clear, i still think competitor brand = non mountain dew for scum)

Same
I’m half tempted to dabble in jargonized reads this game since my natural inclination is to find them weird and I’m honestly wanting to broaden my horizons here
The issue is remembering to substitute “name brand/off brand” for “town/scum”, I can already sense my brain is resisting that

[Gamma Emerald]

-_-
Which head is this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Other head here, don’t really know how your role implies code red is scum

I'm saying that claiming Code Red like that and implying it's somehow town contradicts my role as a diet role being an innocent child that needs mod confirmation to be cleared.

If I have a whole ROLE about my power being becoming an innocent child, Dunn's claim and the reaction he was clearly fishing for (which btw wasn't to rub it in someone's face, I think it was to appear town.)

I need to think about this. I feel like taking things more slowly in general would have been wiser, allow Dunn to spew alignments if scum. But I can’t claim to know your mindset to how approach these things, maybe you value that less than putting scum into a corner immediately.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can't think of another motivation for you to claim your flavour there as town. I literally can't.

You are overthinking this

I have always thought that this game was a normal game with mt dew flavor, and that claiming flavor provides no info. I remember that Code Red was a flavor that the Towelie hydra would be excited about and that's why I brought it up in an exaggerated way. I have no reason to think that Code Red would somehow look more town than any other flavor - I believe any flavor can be either a scum flavor or a scum fake claim, so NAI.

Okay, now I’m starting to think Dunn is full of it. I can back up the idea that flavor is deeply tied to role. I wasn’t sure it was as damning as LLD was saying it is until Dunnstral straight-up tried to deny that it was true.

[Gamma Emerald]

Post something interesting

[Gamma Emerald]

normally IC doesn't reveal the whole role tho, lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Welp.

Calling Dunn flipping red. Regardless of flip, I also like the bears for scum right now.

Eyes on Critter, Something_Smart, StrangeMatter.

agreed the bears are prolly scum, most likely not for the reasons you have tho

[Gamma Emerald]

And mush isn’t bears they’re some weird avatar?

Bears + Gamma?

When I said bears I meant BEARS, which is Milk and Mocha!

[Gamma Emerald]

If I was responding to you why’d I quote someone else’s post

[Gamma Emerald]

Welp.

Calling Dunn flipping red. Regardless of flip, I also like the bears for scum right now.

Eyes on Critter, Something_Smart, StrangeMatter.

agreed the bears are prolly scum, most likely not for the reasons you have tho

Then what are you agreeing with here? I think this is where the train derailed? There’s no mention of Milk/Mocha and the only other person here is Mush?

“I also like the bears for scum right now”
Try reading.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay that was harsh, sorry

[Gamma Emerald]

That was a legit read and not intended as an insult.

But she’s confirmed town, why do you give a shit about her motivations?

[Gamma Emerald]

If I were a cop and could check one person's alignment tonight, who should I check?

Check mine

[Gamma Emerald]

I will not say anything about my flavor but LLD’s is my dad’s go-to and Dunn’s I drink occasionally because of my aforementioned favorite movie (which full disclosure, might not actually be my favorite, but it’s definitely like top ten for me and it is theme-relevant)

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d find it less weird if it was Noraa’s read but it’s Pooky’s, apparently

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d find it less weird if it was Noraa’s read but it’s Pooky’s, apparently

I don't disagree with it but apparently pooky is drunk or something so idk what his reasons are.

Are you at null or scum wrt me?

[Gamma Emerald]

bear minimum, if you will

i will also +1 this post

-b

That got a krusty-the-clown laugh out of me

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you at null or scum wrt me?

Your scum read on me is pretty dumb. Pooky's always right. U scum scum.

Eh, it’s not exactly well reasoned but I haven’t seen a town post from your hydra yet so idc, I’ll put out lame points however much I want

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you at null or scum wrt me?

Your scum read on me is pretty dumb. Pooky's always right. U scum scum.

Eh, it’s not exactly well reasoned but I haven’t seen a town post from your hydra yet so idc, I’ll put out lame points however much I want

You enjoy your good days while they last. When Pooky gets back and kicks your ass hard, your scum buddies are gonna have to bus you hard.

Why are you guys scumreading gamma

Only reason given so far is OMGUS which hilarious given Noraa has also called me scum for TRing her rather recently. So either she’s scum or off her rocker.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t wanna have to do this but I will clown on you if you keep this up

[Gamma Emerald]

Subject: Open 816: C9++ || Game Over

Town: Pooky - Best Bird - Gypyx

Probably Town: Dwleee - A50

Townfeels: Kerset - Datisi - Heavenx

Scumfeels: Skitter-Hydra - Cakeboi - Gamma Emerald

*clown noses honking*

[Gamma Emerald]

welp kyouko is town

[Gamma Emerald]

Meh. It's +town but not conclusive. Funny though.

I imagine despite how boneheaded she is as town, she’d actually fact-check things as scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Meh. It's +town but not conclusive. Funny though.

I imagine despite how boneheaded she is as town, she’d actually fact-check things as scum

What if she checked but decided voting the ic would be a nice move

I don’t feel like she or her predecessor was really scummy outside of that vote, and that’s WIFOM logic

[Gamma Emerald]

{Dunn, Milk, Mush, Towlie, Gamma} = town

Who’s scum then

[Gamma Emerald]

SM is almost certainly scum with that iso

S_S pretty underwhelming

Ah

[Gamma Emerald]

Kyo’s slot has burned the cred Toog built.

the what
Toog was scummier than Kyouko

Toog was not. Toog was very townie. That argument with LLD seemed really genuine. I had Toog as top tier town before Kyo reppd in.

I feel like Toog was mildly towny for the reasons you bring up, but don’t feel like Kyo’s been awful either
I’m slightly curious why she chose to TR me for the post she did, ig

[Gamma Emerald]

"id sheep a wagon on x" is considered pushing?

I’d say yes
Not in a strong sense, mind, but it does apply some pressure IMO

[Gamma Emerald]

Subject: Large Normal 233 | Mafia PT

Going to have to look up babysitter. Hello everyone

looked at a random scum PT from kyouko, this reinforces my read that she wouldn't vote an outed IC as scum (again, idc for wifom logic)

[Gamma Emerald]

I dont get it

scum that game had a babysitter enabler
if kyouko's thought upon seeing that was to look up what babysitter was, I imagine scum!kyouko replacing in would inquire as to whether there was any major developments
for kyouko to be scum, imo that would very likely mandate the other scum also be pretty removed from the game, which narrows things down considerably I think

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh I actually kind of think Mushy might be scum. hmm.

Not feeling it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok actually it won't be randomized. But it might be sort of meme-y. Ok its kind of hard to explain. We be flavored cop. Mountain dew flavored Jester cop.

What???

[Gamma Emerald]

@M&M What is your actual Mtn Dew flavor, and what is your actual role?

[Gamma Emerald]

Dew it.

[Gamma Emerald]

@M&M Failure to comply will result in assured termination this day phase. I’m already at the point where you’re probably confscummed for me.

[Gamma Emerald]

The explicit claim is confusing though, which with what I know, is almost a sure sign it’s fake.

[Gamma Emerald]

So you’re saying your alignment is jester? Doubt it. This was advertised as a low-complexity game, jester goes against that imo.
VOTE: Milk and Mocha

[Gamma Emerald]

The explicit claim is confusing though, which with what I know, is almost a sure sign it’s fake.

How is flavor cop confusing exactly? And how do you “know” anything?

I know what my own role says. Claiming role clearly is not hard at all.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Critter What if I told you the role was likely fake as well?

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait so you’re a cop that specifically checks for jesters??? Is that right?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t care about the pieces. You’re scum.
I am Mountain Dew, the original flavor. I am a Parity Vanilla Cop. There’s a section that’s literally just the role name so that’s why I was so hard-up on getting a definitive claim. I pretty much knew from the moment you started talking about who to cop that you were likely BSing, I just had a moment of doubt when you fullclaimed because it sounded like you might be a meme role, but hard claiming cop sealed it for me. There’s no way my role + LLD’s role + full cop exists in this game IMO.

[Gamma Emerald]

stop claiming

No. My role is basically a meme anyway, probably based on stuff from the end of the TENET LT, and I had little faith I could get a guilty through my night action, so counterclaiming scum was basically the best I could hope for.

[Gamma Emerald]

My behavior this game tracks with me being Mountain Dew classic. Sorry, but my books are clean this time.

[Gamma Emerald]

stop claiming

No. My role is basically a meme anyway, probably based on stuff from the end of the TENET LT, and I had little faith I could get a guilty through my night action, so counterclaiming scum was basically the best I could hope for.

well unlike you, ours isn't a meme and we're not scum.

I’m sorry, what alignment did you claim again? Jester? Seems like scum to me. Third-party is still scum, just not groupscum.
But you’re mafia anyway because your claimed role does not coexist with mine and LLD’s.

[Gamma Emerald]

And have fun trying to case why I CC as scum when you’ve already got a bunch of pressure on you without me doing so.

[Gamma Emerald]

I probably don’t die until N2 at worst though

[Gamma Emerald]

You check two people to see if they're both vanilla or both prs, right?

I get one result if I check 2 vanilla/2 PRs, and another if I check one of each.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Dunnstral has actually shown town thought process here recently, so that’s not happening either.

[Gamma Emerald]

LMFAO
Y’all are just pissed because your designated mislim turned out to be a dragon rather than a gecko.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fucking try me.
It’s such a shame too because scum!Pooky can get out of practically any noose you put around him but this time there is no escape.

[Gamma Emerald]

I wasn’t counterclaiming your flavor, no fucking DUH.
Parity Vanilla Cop is still a counterclaim to Cop.
You explicitly claimed cop when I was clearly being serious. You can’t go “it was a JOKE!” and expect that to save your hide.

[Gamma Emerald]

Mush wagon please?

No. In fact, I’m starting to think you’re scum because both the people you’re trying to push look like town rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

Plus we’ve already had enough claims, pushing elsewhere for more is a terrible look.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have no for a second backed out of it have I?

Sounded like you were by saying you trollified your claim.
You fucked up, sorry.

[Gamma Emerald]

Parity Vanilla Cop is still a counterclaim to Cop.

My soul is gonna die if you're town and think this

I

KNOW

it.

[Gamma Emerald]

And put a target on my back for no reason by CCing? Nice try.
Anyway, I’m probably done posting here for the night, I expect people will generally see eye-to-eye with me.

[Gamma Emerald]

so miselimming the town cop on d1 is not a good reason to CC?

lol good try dude

Oh so you’re a TOWN cop now? I thought you were a JESTER cop!

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh no I never believed it for a second. I’m just pointing out how preposterous your lies are.

[Gamma Emerald]

When you walk the claim back after getting called on your shit, yes!

[Gamma Emerald]

You. I haven’t walked back shit.

[Gamma Emerald]

The Jester claim

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you fuckers not have a hydra PT? Or did your scumfuck asses decide to spam up the thread with your cross-head banter?

[Gamma Emerald]

so you wanna go on the record saying

that me walking back a 3P claim in d1

is a scumclaim?

you really wanna do that buddy?

When it comes after someone wanting your head on a spike? ABSOLUTELY.

[Gamma Emerald]

and you've NEVER seen me claim 3P as town on D1 just for lulz?

It was different in The Neighborhood.

[Gamma Emerald]

That game was openly bastard
This game was advertised as low-complexity

And that claim also came immediately, while the jester claim here was delayed.

[Gamma Emerald]

A cult leader in an openly bastard game
But I also didn’t take that claim at face value. That game I recognized it was probably just trolling. Here the jester claim felt like trying to get away with shit by being like “ooh aah I’m the jester I’m so scummy!”

[Gamma Emerald]

You had been under pretty stable pressure for a good amount of time

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyway, GOOD NIGHT.

[Gamma Emerald]

It was a bad cc but gamma is gamma and he can be like that sometimes. Its town.

Disagree very hard. Gamma is never widely townread like this unless he's scum and that was just a failed scum gambit. I disagree with pooky that he did it to get town cop killed. I think he did it to look like wrong town which people take pity on.

Fuck you. That mindset precludes me ever getting townread because if I get widely townread I'm just scum for it!

[Gamma Emerald]

and literally the more people defending it, the worse it looks. gamma has basically never in the history of mafia scum been so widely townread except in his scum games....

Yeah, seriously, eat shit with this attitude. I'm sure I could counter you with evidence but I'd rather just tell you your mindset is mind-numbingly toxic to me ever being able to get anywhere in games with you.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why should I answer that when you've discarded every reason for me to be town so far?

[Gamma Emerald]

Out of this situation, I think the bear pair looks just as scummy as before they tried this weird troll-claim shit, but Gamma looks like he's trying to copy LLD's burn-down of Dunn's slot earlier in the game. Either this game and playerlist lend themselves to repetition or it's some transparent scum play -- look for what works and repeat.

Yeah, you're right that I kinda replicated LLD's own action. I just took more time and let the tension build because I very much value letting interactions develop before dropping the bomb. I pretty much doubted the M&M slot from the moment they started being like "who should we target?", did you not see that my immediate response was to tell them to check me? My game with that was to potentially either put them in a tight spot after they "clear" me or lock in the 1v1.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do scum MM even do this whole thing

Because they thought they could get away with it. Noraa I'm honestly just disappointed with here though if she's town, I'm tired of her circlejerk nonsense of an approach to reading me. It didn't fucking work in Fall of Yakra and it's not working here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why did Pooky never mention he meant to eat a NK in our debate then? His whole defense was "we're trolling"

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
Whatever, but if scum!Pooky ends up pulling this out again I'm never letting y'all live this fucking game down

[Gamma Emerald]

Isn’t death curse stupidly long
I’m not gonna read it just for some idea of your play style when you should be readable enough in this game

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought you meant it as a general “everyone in this game should look at death curse”

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: EMMI
I wanna try this for a bit.

[Gamma Emerald]

Mush i have no fucking clue what youre trying to do in 797

There's a difference between feeling confident in a read and being certain about alignment.

If there's no room for Wisdom to be wrong, then they have knowledge, and this is a case where that knowledge necessitates Wisdom being scum.

I have no idea how everyone else is missing this. But hey, it's good enough for me for right now. VOTE: Wisdom

This is NAI for Wisdom
best way to catch Wisdom is probably when we get some flips and can see the paper trial of what slots he's pushed

[Gamma Emerald]

Rn I feel like my preference is in Wisdom, Critter, EMMI, M&M

As a good friend of mine would say, rule of three, Wisdom who is the scum in this list?

That’s not rule of three but that is interesting how you called it out lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Dear god
I’m just not gonna read your responses to me rn because I’m not at the point where I actively want you dead rn

[Gamma Emerald]

i called gamma scum more than once

What does this mean
Don’t recall you calling me scum in

this

game, is this about past games?

[Gamma Emerald]

You realize this argument that I’m rolefishing you is dumb as fuck given you already let yourself go basically immediately?

[Gamma Emerald]

ssbm echoed a lot of my thoughts on the dunnstral/LLD situation in 450 so I'm (very) lightly townreading that slot overall

Id agree with you if she tried to convince LLD Dunn is town. But while she tells her that her points are wrong she then proceeds to scumread Dunn for other points. So the motivation is not to dissipate the tvt

Is that a direct reason you think kyouko is scum? Because I think that’s not exactly a scumtell in isolation

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay but like, how does debating with the IC like that serve a scum agenda
And I’m probably not gonna listen to anything that has the word “look” or “appear” in it

[Gamma Emerald]

Point me to it then?

[Gamma Emerald]

already answered that

I looked at your ISO and didn’t see anything like what I was looking for
What’s the objective scum motivation for Toog/kyouko pushing the IC? The best I can think of in this scenario is to discredit the Dunn push but you have Dunn as town

[Gamma Emerald]

That sounds fair enough
I don’t wanna unvote EMMI rn but I’m willing to vote kyouko down the line

[Gamma Emerald]

Looking at S_S’s ISO, he kinda pings town in a few spots for now

[Gamma Emerald]

Still waiting to see if anyone figures out what I've decided.

Are you not doing the exact thing you were just criticizing?

Yeah, I suppose it's fine as long as you explain it eventually.

Whose response exactly are you waiting for?

Now the work begins, and I can’t very well do my best if I clear everything up for you, now can I?

I'm glad your efforts are the only ones that matter then

I think I have a handle on Something_Smart. Not enough to build a whole read on, but a fairly informed opinion that can turn into a read pretty quickly.

Good frickin luck, is all I'll say. It takes most people a long time to get a handle on me.

Serious vote. I don’t like what M is doing that doesn’t mean she’s being the only one that matters. There’s a difference between not liking it and this.

I feel like one of us is misunderstanding here. I was sarcastically pointing out that she was being cryptic in a way that might help her job but makes the rest of ours harder.

These are probably the posts I like best from you S_S
You’re being assertive about your feelings but staying calm, you don’t seem worried about stepping on people’s toes a little
I don’t feel okay making a statement about how this fits into your townrange/scumrange atm, that might come later

[Gamma Emerald]

Mostly just trying to elicit some engagement, and I thought you might have some insight about how she approaches town vs scum.

That's fair. The main thing I remember from when we rolled scum was her doing a lot of distancing with our partner (who happened to be skitter, what a coincidence).

Which game was this

[Gamma Emerald]

and I hate even more that doing this and getting away with it all feels well within the power of any hydra that includes Noraa as a head.

I think it’s even more of a sin for Pooky tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

I almost nominated Pooky for Don Corleone last year (was too lazy to actually write the post up) and am considering trying again this year (again, depends on my will to actually write something up)
He’s good at scum, TRUST ME.

[Gamma Emerald]

bolded: not sure why you're bringign this up

contextualizing how i get to town pooky in a way only you are likely familiar with and that i'm not seeing it here so far

-b

Which game was that

[Gamma Emerald]

bolded: not sure why you're bringign this up

contextualizing how i get to town pooky in a way only you are likely familiar with and that i'm not seeing it here so far

-b

Which game was that

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=86835

:thumbs_up:

[Gamma Emerald]

I might be too drunk for this rn

[Gamma Emerald]

B seems to be trying to communicate with the BFT hydra
????

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda wanna vote Critter here because his approach feels vaguely scummy rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda wanna vote Critter here because his approach feels vaguely scummy rn

Is scummy scum? Sometimes town is deliberately scummy. My approach is a bit weird yes.

This feels like a weird card for you to pull atp

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Critter
I re-looked at Critter’s early posting and idk what made me like it before

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: kyouko
What even is this rn

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: kyouko
What even is this rn

gamma, what exactly are you seeing here?

-b

Effort compared to towngames feels very muted

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: kyouko
What even is this rn

gamma, what exactly are you seeing here?

-b

Effort compared to towngames feels very muted

Not every one of my towngames is going to be an Owner's Market Blitz.

You’re barely generating useful content tho

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not feeling motivated to look away from Critter and Wisdom because they're both annoying me right now.

In my experience, this is a really easy way for scum me to appear engaged while not really contributing
I would like if you could focus on other slots, you don't have to engage everyone, just some people

[Gamma Emerald]

Effort compared to towngames feels very muted

That seems like it's got way too many variables involved to be at all reliable.

I understand effort isn't always stable but it feels like a real departure from the norm rn
I also just don't like what she chooses to focus on

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm pretty sure they have
I replaced into both of the ones I've been in that are recent though

[Gamma Emerald]

I think there probably should have been a blank tier added to the bottom because I don't think S_S meant to claim that was a confident SR

[Gamma Emerald]

Of course not, but it seems like Wisdom is acknowledging that with "the best I can do".

okay
well idk why wisdom expects hard suspicions from you d1

[Gamma Emerald]

I would like someone familiar with Wisdom scum meta to weigh in on if he openly antagonizes and hard pushes multiple townies as part of his strategy. If ssbm is scum then I'm sure he would be secure in pushing me, any scum can pull off hard bus -> hard push a townie who was defending them. But I'm not sure if he would want to sacrifice enough towncred to push two townies simultaneously/back-to-back (if he does push me tomorrow if ssbm is town, that is).

When I was scum with him, he did push pretty confidently, though he was mostly bussing. But he also didn't play very much and got executed D1.

that is in his scum meta, but he's also just easier to read with some flips imo, so I agree he's "never lim d1" material

[Gamma Emerald]

kyouko
that or something he supported but never really pushed (which I'm not sure constitutes any slot or slots atm)

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: EMMI
yeah let's go with this imo

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm trying to present a vote that S_S can go with
also, we'll see how that holds up if/when emmi gains traction

[Gamma Emerald]

kyouko

How so? Do you not think he'd be bussing her here?

Not really

[Gamma Emerald]

Vanilla cop does not equal cop. Not even close.

Fucks sake don’t feed M&M’s bullshit

[Gamma Emerald]

(Assuming my reread doesnt point to them)

I’m not merely looking for SRs from you >:/

[Gamma Emerald]

B> I don’t have a completed game on site here as Critter. Guess I am lock town now because I have never made a scum post as Critter. (This is me disbelieving your “I haven’t done X as scum” argument.)

DoAR: XU???

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh, typo

[Gamma Emerald]

Uh, that was part of a completely different discussion, and it's 100% accurate. I'm pretty sure I know my stuff when it comes to game balance, and vanilla cop and cop are not remotely in the same league in terms of power.

The IC is what really made me skeptical of Pookaa tho
That plus + Cop + Vanilla Cop felt a bit much

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't even know what the hell to think here anymore. This is just... all too much for my short-circuited brain.

There's like 3 people I trust to give me the gamestate straight right now. LLD, Gamma, and VFT. What am I seeing?

We’ve got slots that seem close-to-consensus scum but no real traction on any

Which btw I think the day’s run its course a bit so I’d appreciate if we could consolidate, keeping this day under 60 pages would be solid IMO

[Gamma Emerald]

Kyouko, EMMI, StrangeMatter
Let’s narrow it down to 3 slots

[Gamma Emerald]

I used to enjoy diet Mountain Dew but can’t really have it with my anxiety medication (it’s got grapefruit juice in it)
But I’d probably still enjoy a Code Red on occasion (aka WHEN I CAN FIND ONE (read that in the voice of Dad Turner from Fairly Odd Parents))

Critter had no problem with Gamma talking about mountain dew flavors btw

I only spent the one post on it pretty much though, and I’ve generated real content

[Gamma Emerald]

Whoever thought EMMI wasnt an alt, here's this^

lol who thought that

[Gamma Emerald]

will look more after dinner; still really surprised people are willing to come out so confident on that slot after he blew by basically everyone (ssbm caught by accident) in isekai and i know some of the players here were in that game

-b

Because post-guilty he downshifted right into typical Dunn!scum meta

[Gamma Emerald]

let's flip in like mm/emmi/ss

Why not kyouko?

[Gamma Emerald]

I realize you haven’t gotten to the part where that’s relevant but when you do I want that answered

[Gamma Emerald]

Kyouko, EMMI, StrangeMatter
Let’s narrow it down to 3 slots

holistically kyo isn't as bad to me as the other slots i mentioned @gamma

[Gamma Emerald]

Sure

[Gamma Emerald]

C/P’ing playerlist order isn’t a sign of scum
You might be right about kyo but you’re doing a horrible job of making sense about it

[Gamma Emerald]

Read fast pal
You’ve got 6 pages before I decide to call for the axeman on whoever is the lead wagon

[Gamma Emerald]

Sounds fine
I look forward to seeing what you contribute when caught up.

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda do the same thing myself, as well as to provide anchors in case I need to leave my reading for a time

[Gamma Emerald]

do you have suspects?

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote: Venus Fly Trap

Their stance on MM and Emmi is not good, their reads list reads like it was manufactured, not generated, their interactions with towlie make them look WAY worse and I think Towlie looks pretty town and finally their Signal to Noise ratio is way too high for my liking, especially for a slot that called others out on it. I can't find a solid stance in their ISO about most anything, mostly it's fights they're picking with the intent to stop others from progressing suspicions, not progressing their own.

Their reads (and their vote) haven't shifted this game near at all despite pages of content.

This is where I want to land today. If I'm wrong, there's nearly ALWAYS a scum in Wisdom/Dunnstral at that point.

damn I had them as hard town
VOTE: VFT
I'll go along with this still but I personally feel much less confident

[Gamma Emerald]

A scum reaction would be to ignore it or continue to push as if it doesn’t exist.

that's not what we did; notty just thinks you're full of shit.

-b

And I think your slot is scum doing good cop bad cop. I don’t see you as an experienced player being okay with what Notty is doing.

LOOOOOOL
notty’s hydra with fferyllt milks “good cop bad cop” for all it’s worth
That means NOTHING for notty here I think

[Gamma Emerald]

i think gamma would agree

-b

wut
Why’d I bring up something if I didn’t think it was relevant?

[Gamma Emerald]

I dunno what my would-elim pool is rn
But tbc I only voted VFT because I wanted to actually follow through on my statement that I’d listen to LLD, that’s nowhere near a preferred elim

[Gamma Emerald]

I do hope she feels better and comes around and makes me feel better about your slot. But this is where I am at this point.

Ninja-
Gamma I refuse to believe you are scumreading Kyo after isekai.

What’s the point of this? Weren’t you TRing me for most of this game so far?

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what. I am borrowing from MathBlade. It helped him nail a scum team 3/3 can everyone do this?

viewtopic.php?p=13054226#p13054226

Lmao grabbing your own shit and pretending it's not you - was waiting to out this after I found 121 but now I know this is you and i know this verbiage is your scumgame's excuse to waffle on a town slot.

VOTE: critter

Critter is MathBlade. MathBlade in Calculasia called town!Flea a teapot read - described faer as someone that, given time, alignment can be determined. Like, leave the tea on the stove long enough, and it will boil. He did the same thing to Dwlee in a mini recently where Dwlee, Math, and I were in ELO, and I thoroughly dug through his meta checking if he used that terminology in any town games. I am 100% certain critter is scum here and that he TMIed Dunnstral as town. Receipts for this read are coming. Even if we dont do this today because we want to go with LLD for the day, never forget this post.

At first it was hard to tell who Critter was but more recently he's slipping out of persona. I was going to finish catching up and then go ego dive MathBlade and Critter to check if they post in the same timeframes, but that wont be necessary anymore. Makes total sense that he would want me dead too as I nuked his buddy DGB in that mini on D1 out of a completely Stalled gamestate and he's desperate to get to N1 to get me out of here

Is this what it feels like to be Koba in a game where I'm scum? I think it is.

I had also figured out Critter was MathBlade but I wasn't aware this was his scumplay particularly, though I was a bit perturbed by the play in general so maybe on some level I did process that?

[Gamma Emerald]

My instinct is telling me the way Gamma is treating me now is reminiscent of scum!Gamma in OMB, but my only confident SR is on Critter right now. I still have a lot of rereading to do - keep getting distracted, which is quite possibly the whole point of what Critter has been doing toDay.

Pedit: interesting timing, I was already writing the above when you asked

Working theory right now is those 2, plus one of EMMI, StrangeMatter, M&M

Theatre is the only possibility imo, so unless it's exactly Critter, Gamma, M&M, Gamma probably not scum.

You’re probably town for this overall but you said similar things about being similar to OMB in Radio Buzz and I was town there
I also probably will not be playing exactly like I did that game ever again because I had a seriously awful mindset that I only really managed to purge recently. Isekai UPick would actually be more emblematic of my scumgame rn, particularly in terms of approach to scum mates. Although thinking about it there’s a gaping hole in my scumplay that I’ll need to eventually patch, so don’t even expect that to last forever.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, who makes sense as Critter and M&M's partner?

Wisdom, maybe? This is just the first name that came to mind FYI, not a lot of thought out into it

[Gamma Emerald]

Critter is MathBlade

just want to say that this is utterly awful form and i hope you never do it again

notty suspected it was mathblade ever since he brought up mathblade unprompted, but at the surface this feels very much like w13 math where he tunneled on a few slots most of the game and kinda refused to accept anyone else's worldview, so knowing it's math makes me townread the play more.

-b

Yeah outting the alt leaves a bad taste in my mouth, especially when everyone then uses meta. But what can you do once the cat is out of the bag.

I will say I’ve done the “out the alt to level the playing field” thing a bit as scum but that was in the face of a rather obnoxious meta tell
This I don’t think falls into the same bin, kyouko basically honey trapped Critter by letting him think he was going unnoticed until he’s gone too far to pull back
Kyouko did similar stuff to me in Radio Buzz, so this is very likely town!Kyouko

[Gamma Emerald]

I would love it. Even if it’s just me. Because more sorts.

All right, here goes:

Gamma Emerald
Towelie
MUSHSHAGANA
E. M. M. I.
Milk & Mocha
Venus Fly Trap
Dunnstral
Critter
StrangeMatter
ssbm_Kyouko

I disagree with the assessment of Math but why is he in your elimination pile if it appears you are recognizing this as his townplay?

Oh I misinterpreted. I never said that was his townplay? And besides I have you in my elimination pile and I townread you. It's because I recognize that my reads are often bad, and mafia is about teamwork which requires compromise.

You have the moral backbone of a chocolate eclair. Are you so spineless literally any elim is acceptable as long as it’s not you? Accepting you’re often wrong is one thing but this just reads super fucking slimy.

[Gamma Emerald]

That first line towards S_S was meant to be slightly humorous FYI

[Gamma Emerald]

You have the moral backbone of a chocolate eclair. Are you so spineless literally any elim is acceptable as long as it’s not you? Accepting you’re often wrong is one thing but this just reads super fucking slimy.

Really don't know how to respond to this. Setting aside the question of why you brought my character into this for no reason, I don't see what's objectionable about giving other people's reads that are more confident, more informed, and probably more accurate precedence over mine. ESPECIALLY LLD, because I don't even have to doubt her motivations.

The just say “I’ll do whatever LLD wants”? Listing every slot in the game minus yourself, the IC, and the one you’re on record as being against limming D1, while completely overlooking reasons you have to townread any of them, is just not a good look at all.

[Gamma Emerald]

Mm.

Do I go reread 1841 or not

I am incredibly tempted to but I do not really feel it will be enlightening.

I think you were

in

1841 maybe

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you actually giving me shit for doing what Critter asked me multiple times to do?

MUSH is right, it was kind of a defiant "this is what you asked for, but it's not what you asked for".

Critter asked for it because he wanted the data. By giving such a response you basically fuck over any attempts to generate anything actionable from it. Copying LLD’s list would have been a better way to

actually provide the requested data

.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think if M&M was town we would have seen some more traction

i'll concede that this is possible, esp w/ m&m basically just not playing

-b

Yeah this seems reasonable
M&M was at 4 votes for a long time and nothing actually overtook it ever, I believe

[Gamma Emerald]

Critter asked for it because he wanted the data. By giving such a response you basically fuck over any attempts to generate anything actionable from it. Copying LLD’s list would have been a better way to actually provide the requested data.

I would imagine I would at least owe it to him to be accurate, though. The list I gave was an accurate reflection of how I felt, which is what he wanted. LLD's list wouldn't have been that.

Whatever, go off Sandra*

*this is a reference to the Survivor player Sandra whose stated strategy is “anyone but me”
I tend to emulate her

actual

strategic gameplay in my own games where I basically employ “anyone but me

or my townreads

” because I feel like my town hunting is pretty good, generally at most one scum will creep into my higher TRs. So I think your play here is basically just how I play but shittier because you don’t even have the guts to stick to any of your TRs!

[Gamma Emerald]

Lmao Kyo you can stop now
You’re not getting me elimmed if you’re scum
And if you’re town you should be listening to the TRs

Since people TR Kyo here
VOTE: Something Smart

Get on emmi please
S_s posting ia getting better

lol you think him refusing to maintain hard stances is "posting better"? I'll admit there's room for him to be town doing it but it's not an improvement to his previous posting at all imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

It is possible this is either a traitor soft or fishing for the traitor.

No, that was actually part of how I knew it was mathblade before you outed it
he was traitor in mini 2226, and he lost that game (through potentially no fault of his own, his scum partner straight up forgot to send a kill one night)

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually faked that sort of progression in isekai UPick on DGB though that was kept to myself because part of it was done in the night phase
could the progression be a towntell, sure, but just giving an axiomatic "this progression isn't a scum one" isn't the way

[Gamma Emerald]

Could be scum or town.

That progression is just scum admitting Gamma is never a miselim if they’re scum.
It’s NAI at best.

see critter gets it
though thinking about it, tonally the way EMMI said it actually does not resemble what I did in isekai upick/what critter is saying it could be
so yeah I'll give this one to LLD, EMMI is probtown

[Gamma Emerald]

I had a thought after writing the first line that made me believe LLD's read, while a bit simple in the expression, was still right at its core

[Gamma Emerald]

looking at Dunn ISO from the end backwards a bit I still think he's alright rn

[Gamma Emerald]

actually no wait idk how those two posts relate at all

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought LLD had initially quoted the post where EMMI was talking about the cop claim stuff and being confused about it

[Gamma Emerald]

idk how I feel about you rn SM but that post just reads manipulative af
like "oh you're just eliminating me for playstyle reasons, you're bad"

[Gamma Emerald]

VFT I think is town
Wisdom I'm waffling on
you I'm suspicious of

I don't feel like I have any solid SRs atm so I am actually inclined to shift back into my "Sandra mode" I talked about earlier

[Gamma Emerald]

you don’t even have the guts to stick to any of your TRs!

You're using charged language to imply that this is a bad thing.

YES!!! That's EXACTLY what I'm saying! You're avoiding maintaining hard stances at all, which makes you way harder to read because all your reads have that stupid caveat of "eh I

might

be wrong". I might be wrong too, YOU DON'T SEE ME ACTING ALL SHEEPISH BECAUSE OF IT!

[Gamma Emerald]

When the Brutalism hydra called out that I tend to hard defend scum to the point it can be used to scumhunt, I took that on board, but I didn't as a result go "oh I'm not going to hard defend players anymore". Instead, I keep one eye open for when I'm sliding into that pattern of behavior, and if I suspect it's going on, I'll flip that read. Am I perfect about maintaining that practice, probably nowhere close, but it's better than stunting my reads formation!

[Gamma Emerald]

Like Kyo is pretty much atrociously bad this game.

If you want to townread her for being that bad go ahead but then substitute Mush.

nah Mush is town for me, and at a higher level than kyouko actually

[Gamma Emerald]

Like Kyo is pretty much atrociously bad this game.

If you want to townread her for being that bad go ahead but then substitute Mush.

nah Mush is town for me, and at a higher level than kyouko actually

One of those players has to be. I refuse to believe all the flavor hunting and BS this game is town on town crime.

Nah, I can believe it

[Gamma Emerald]

YES!!! That's EXACTLY what I'm saying! You're avoiding maintaining hard stances at all, which makes you way harder to read because all your reads have that stupid caveat of "eh I might be wrong". I might be wrong too, YOU DON'T SEE ME ACTING ALL SHEEPISH BECAUSE OF IT!

As an authority here, I would like to respectfully disagree that it makes me harder to read.

My rate of getting mis-executed plummeted once I started playing like this. I do it for a reason.

And some people can read me. It's not necessarily easy, but the stuff is there if you know what to look for.

well it makes you really shitty to work with, and people I find hard to work with are generally the people I'm more likely to want dead going forwards

[Gamma Emerald]

We're doing VFT today. I'm happy to flip it at this point. I was willing to take my time and listen but this Mathblade woe is me the town is so lost the game is so helpless boo hoo nonsense is just unbearable.

All my desire to try and listen and consider other options has flown out the window. I'm not 100% certain on VFT, but I'm 100% certain it's the kill I want today.

Then I will use the “time”

You quit responding to my posts
You just decided I suck and did the inversion trick
Rather than give me a fucking shot

Kindly shut the fuck up.

I've done no inversion trick, I didn't even know you were you until someone pointed it out. My reads this game came before I knew it was you being insufferable.

I'm so done with dealig with your self absorbed bullshit. Not everything is about you, and not everything is lost if people don't fucking listen to you. It's not a fuckign personal insult.

GET OVER YOURSELF.

If VFT flips town, I'll probably be dead and guess what you'll get to have your fucking day in court trying to convince people what to do.

So kindly stop being so fucking self important and understand that I have been AS FUCKING PATIENT AS I CAN BE THIS GAME.

VOTE: VFT

I will be dead.

Goodbye.

Last post til flip

I am done giving a fuck.

You're full of yourself if you think scum are killing you.

[Gamma Emerald]

EMMI has attempted to contribute, it's not trying to get away with a lurking strategy, it just can't really post that much

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I just need a flip to make heads or tails of things, and probably on a contentious slot
VFT fits well for that I think, as does critter probably if we don't want VFT

[Gamma Emerald]

The only one ill compromise on is MM
Otherwise pick from emmi and strange

Out of those M&M is the only valuable flip imo
I’m trying to get a flip that will assist me in sorting the rest of this game. EMMI and SM don’t do that for me. Only other player that might be okay to flip would be Dunn.

[Gamma Emerald]

If EMMI is limmed and flips scum, do you feel like that would be enlightening as to anyone else’s alignments? I feel like EMMI/S_S/SM are easy targets that if scum don’t offer much of value by flipping them early. And with me being lost in the fog rn, I want flips that will elucidate the game.

[Gamma Emerald]

A lot of people were suspicious of M&M pre-my CC. And it’ll also mean the one wagon that sat at 4 votes for most of the day was on town, meaning scum were either already on it or did nothing to push it forward.
On that note, I need to actually go check on that a bit

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I think I can relate to Wisdom’s POV better now

[Gamma Emerald]

do you have suspects?

So far, some minor pings. I stopped reading around page 30 before things came up so I will wrap up later tonight.
And then I will finally be caught up.

Where’s this go?

[Gamma Emerald]

LOOOOL

[Gamma Emerald]

Kinda?