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[Firebringer]

Game is boring but now I arrived
What’s up

[Firebringer]

I’m super drunk and on vaca pooky
I didn’t even know ur in this game
How r u

[Firebringer]

Ohhh noes militank is goneeeee this is the worst!!!!!

[Firebringer]

I'd go with annoyed by the fact I'm being genuinely SRed for something that was actually annoying to read, like Crescent, you found it annoying too yes? so now I'm wondering if Malcolm just didn't find it annoying? has 0 issue with someone SPAMMING 3 VCs IN A ROW... like it's not even like someone posted between them... just make 1 if that's what you're doing...

idk whatever. I didn't really plan on making a huge deal of it, but this comment
"This feels like something scum could easily feign annoyance over for the sake of an early vote to look busy."

feels genuinely annoying to me, like, it's this vague "could be from scum" type post. you SR me? commit to it. don't test the waters and see if others agree before you decide to pursue it or not.

Umm I'll be gone for roughly the next 18 hours,
and uhh there's a handful of new faces here, that's nice to see! For those who don't know me... nice to meet yall! Umm I started playing mafia 10 years ago, was super serious about it ~5 years ago, I come from chat mafia, which is why I'm going to be a lot more likely to just say anything and everything on my mind, so uhh don't be shocked if my vote changes 50 times in a phase here, it's kinda just another way of me going "yo do something" or "hmm I think this person is sus" also if I start posting "too much" making it hard for you to keep up, just let me know and I can focus on combining my posts, so uhhh yeah that's a bit about me, I LOVE the game of mafia, here for a good time! That being said I also hope all yall have fun as well! cause that's what this is all about!
Bam! a blurb about me!! hahahaha I'm so original!! nahh uhh I got the idea from someone else, I mean, we're spending the next eternity together... lol

and uhh if you need me to respond to something/actually want me to respond to something, to ensure you gat an answer just be all "@Andante" which should help me see it, cause even if I'm busy, I'll look, control F Andante, respond, and yeah...

p.edit: This started as a response to 66 then became a tangent, and tldr: I'll probably be gone the next 18-24 hours (not that it really matters, but the people deserve to know!!!)

You need to chill andante

[Firebringer]

HAAHAHAHAHHA I FINALLY A GOT A TOWN ROLE PM IN A DATISI GAME BE JEALOUS EVERYONE

Ohhh good to know ur scum
Good news for u pooky
I am unofficial scum team this game
Let’s team up

[Firebringer]

Pooky seems to have died on me so I have no one to shit post with
Guess I’ll grab another drink and smoke a bit before crashing

[Firebringer]

I am scum don’t u dare call me town u dirty….w/e u are

[Firebringer]

Would town me call u old discarded potato

[Firebringer]

This is Bailey posting mafia and I see no Bailey posts.
False advertising

[Firebringer]

I am not town whats up

[Firebringer]

They compare NM to me, which is kinda dumb.

You use more words but you aren't that dissimilar

[Firebringer]

Gonna help my buddy Pooky buss
VOTE: MegAzumaril

Some other notes from what i skimmed = Andante needs to chill in games.
Crescent would be another i would focus on.
This talk about fred i found boring as hell and don't know why that is a wagon thing.

[Firebringer]

if i had more to say on crescent i would say it. I just read her posts and was like "this person is someone i should look into later"

Why is azumaril wagon bad

[Firebringer]

Fire's only effective content i

i would argue my vote isn't even content

[Firebringer]

but there's absolutely no fire.

im right here

[Firebringer]

. I found that hypocritical, potentially scummy, and worthy of a vote.

if people were scum for being a hypocrite. houston we have a problem

[Firebringer]

FancyPants* - lurk idk
Vivax - troll town
MalcolmTucker - prob maf
Greeting - idk always failed at reading
Firebringer - hot null would't care to vote
Fredrick A Campbell - can afford to die
Dwlee99* - lurk
Crescent - eh idk
Lowell - prob town
bugspray - always failed at reading
PookyTheMagicalBear - always mafia
geraintm - prob maf
UNOwen - idk i started yawning at this guy, pretend that's there's something funny drawn at next 3 persons and i call it a day, too much effort for me
Prince of Paterson
Andante
MegAzumarill

VOTE: Enchant
When has Enchant ever made a reads list

Explain why that makes them more likely to be scum?

Enchant tries harder to keep up appearances as scum

Okay and what part of that reads list was trying hard to keep up appearances that im missing

Ger tends not to do much on D1 as a general rule. Vote on Fred could be read as opportunistic and there's not much in their limited ISO so far but it's feasible from town Ger.

this feels like TMI

VOTE: Malcolm

like, ok so what gerain usually doesn't do much? you used too many words to go "gerain probably town" like, you're trying to justify a TR there, but it's actually a really bad take, cause I have a great example of scum!gerain doing nothing day 1. but going "that's feasible from town Ger" like what?? Gerain should be no where near being called town right now. I'm not saying they have to be a SR, but like, there's nothing in this game so far to push gerain into TR territory

Don't get what angle ur thinking here because it seems clear that malcom saying what gerain has been doing could be town which you seem to get but at same time say he is TMIng....Like you think over edging to push a weak townread? I don't feel anything discussed is TMI. Your thoughts don't seem coherent to what you voting for. Maybe think this post over again to expand cause im not understanding the position you are pushing it seems weak or contradictory

Biggest scumread that stands out to me that I didn't notice before is

prince

. Not going to derail the perfectly good

Fred

wagon but if this feckless town chickens out let's do him or

Meg

next.

Andante

looks worse than I remember. Some likely towns are:

gerain, crescent, pooky, vivax

.

lowell...such an interesting poster. I am wondering what you see as town in pooky or crescent? I am thinking crescent for more analysis but pooky is just chilling in background like me.

Also what is bad about andante besides her fluctations on posts?
Weird i agree meg/prince should be pushed but fred im like what. Andante im going ???? and Pooky im like r u just giving out free townreads

[Firebringer]

my hero solves aren't what they used to be.
and it would include u buddy

[Firebringer]

i wonder if dats would make this 3 scum team with a traitor since dats gave them a doctor.

[Firebringer]

my hero solves aren't what they used to be.
and it would include u buddy

i would be honored to be in your hero solve

then ill have u submit your application for consideration. what i need from you is to fill out the form below and you will hear back from us in 2-3 business days.

Applicants Name:
Applicant Game History:
In game alignment:
Description of why you should be in the hero solve (short essay can be a few sentences to few paragraphs)

i wonder if dats would make this 3 scum team with a traitor since dats gave them a doctor.

last time datisi did 3 mafia doctors in a mini against a town gunsmith and made every single TPR have a gun

we ended up limming all our TPRs looking for who had the gun

spoiler alert: we didn't have any mafia with guns rofl

if mafia have no guns, how do they perform kills. Knives are for serial killers and clubs are for baseball players. Makes you think

[Firebringer]

its good to know i shouldn't setup spec because i didn't want to anyways though.

[Firebringer]

cabd not here? and i got be more picky now about who is in the hero solves. Can't just let every bear who claims he has my back get in them because they have a devilish charm.

[Firebringer]

you can just submit your application
the nicknames will be given to those who earned it. Got to elim some of ur buddies for me to give you a grand moniker

[Firebringer]

why u keep mentioning cabd. what is this referencing

[Firebringer]

i can't be blamed for ur refusal to submit basic paperwork

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Prince

Prince ducked conveniently away from fred wagon to save his buddy. I will oblige and vote him instead.

Do u really think this? this post reads like a joke

[Firebringer]

Scum: MalcolmTucker (non-commital scum) /Bugspray (Lurking scum)/Geraintm(Newb-scum) /PookyTheMagicalBear(Experienced scum who's sad they rolled scum)


Maybe's: Firebringger/Dwlee99/Lowell

This is the post I use to gloat endgame.
Will defend these opinions to the death, come at me.

you need to come up with better epithets for the scum team

[Firebringer]

@Pooki, Can you please explain your thought process here?

the jokey nonresponse feels like scum trying to play it cool

like a "hello officer I swear I was not driving 150 mph and that is definitely not whiskey you smell on my breath"

Meg response to everything has not been helping. He is def overly trying to play it cool.
i would go opposite way and its like he walks up to officer and says Of course i was speeding

[Firebringer]

i think it's wild that meg has yet to express any suspicion of me for pushing on meg when I have done absolutely 0 sorting of meg's slot and I think if meg was town they would at least think why the hell is pooky just shit tunneling me and doing nothing MB pooky is scum!?!?!? but instead Meg is like "this is fine" which feels more like a caught scum reaction

i think u been sorting people very well. keep it up u might get a promotion

[Firebringer]

I want to see the great satyricon

[Firebringer]

flavour

This is my favorite flavor image

[Firebringer]

MT seems notably content with the current gamestate.
Makes me think likely scum if Unowen ever flips town.
Lowell gives me scumpings. I'd consider it a better blind elomination than anyone else.
Pooky is pooky and does pooky.

I would prefer intent before another vote on me and I will claim at that time.

feeling pretty left out. Not scared of growlithes?

[Firebringer]

kind of spicy as soon as pooky says lowell is the bus rider, meg decides to vote lowell.
Cross vote spice

pedit - i will bite u

[Firebringer]

i think i am the most scary user in this game. Because I have a secret weapon.

[Firebringer]

did you just call me a fake and false player

[Firebringer]

google says its some story about a horse.

[Firebringer]

i totally forgot enchant was in this game for a hot minute

[Firebringer]

sounds like a scum ability ngl

[Firebringer]

i find that hard to believe

[Firebringer]

My brain always puts you as an extension of the bear.

Bears and Dogs go together like fine wine

In the way that I never really get a read on you througg reading through the game.

pooky should be offended. He is way easier to read than me

In the way that I never really get a read on you througg reading through the game.

rofl firebringer is just an extension of my existence

living in your shadow is pretty nice tbh. You know what cool stuff you have back here? Like i found a nice cookie. Tastes good

bugspray has had five 24-hour days to attempt to find the mafia. That goes for any other player who hasn't been attempting as well.

when people post things like this. i feel like its projection for their own lack of trying to find scum. We get it. you don't like bugspray effort. Don't think voting bugspray will get bugspray to do jack, but u do u


My reads haven't really changed fellow players. If anything lowell is only slightly getting more of my attention to the point i question how much my reads are just now following common opinions or not. I want original reads how much is the common consensus impacting me. I am not a sheep.

Well i guess im against this boring bugspray thing. What even is that

[Firebringer]

Pooky, i now trust you to be town. So you won't get a nickname. You may now complain

[Firebringer]

today i am just really feeling depressed. So i guess ill come in and shit post in mafia.
what up everyone

[Firebringer]

i have food five feet away from me and im hungry but i don't want to eat the food. Thats how u know i still am sick.
Want some of my food?

[Firebringer]

WELL MAYBE YOU SMELL BAD

[Firebringer]

sad day without pooky
who am i going to shit post with

who am i going to steal reads from

[Firebringer]

i don't like lowell posting that last half of yesterday

[Firebringer]

if i had more to say on crescent i would say it. I just read her posts and was like "this person is someone i should look into later"

Why is azumaril wagon bad

Tonal town read on them.

If the only read you have on someone is tonal why would you think its a bad wagon.

To me this feels like tmi that I'm town.
Also dont like the MT vote.
VOTE: Fancypants

kind of looks like a buss

[Firebringer]

Lowell ended up probably the single hardest person in the game on Meg's train though,

is this revisionist history. Lowell was being super sketchy

[Firebringer]

Well lowell was pushing for meg wagon even when it was "stalling" which tbh i don't remember being a major problem i just reemember other people trying to get other wagons going that didn't happen which is what i think i should be looking at.

Lowell could be town but the counter wagon was like Fred? What other wagons was there

[Firebringer]

So i am going back on unsure being a buss from meg. Looks like fancy was wrong town. I could still see it being scum but leaving it at the door. Calling unsure town for now

Bugspray was a counter. Seems like a designated misyeet. Claiming gunsmith out of nowhere. Who cares.

Fred is a weird one. I still don't understand why fred continues to get traction and everyone sees slot as scum or gets in lists everywhere. I am not saying ohh fred town, i am going "I don't know why this slot gets so much attention". I should dig into it to get a big brain opinion.


Anyways if i was yeeting someone at this moment it would be Prince

[Firebringer]

bugspray isn't get nk here and results are useless till we lim the doctor unless got a guilty result.
So i see no reason to be upset about it.

id rather early claims than no claims when someone just dies without outing results/role. Seen to much of that and that is far worse.

[Firebringer]

Also Bugspray randomly claiming GS as scum to start day 2 would be insane why are they even on your list?

Claiming Gunsmith is not automatically town indicative. There could be a mafia-aligned Gunsmith, and if there is,

bugspray

could be trying to gain towncred by claiming this and working with town.

Or you know....if bs is mafia. They are just faking being gunsmith. The idea they have to be gunsmith is weird idea to assume is the truthful part if you think could be mafia.

[Firebringer]

I suppose I could leave Firebringer and geraintm out for the time being. Although I am not very sure about these two, they have given me some stuff to townread them for, while the rest are all kinda shady.

i am interested in what i have done that is shady

[Firebringer]

Also Bugspray randomly claiming GS as scum to start day 2 would be insane why are they even on your list?

Claiming Gunsmith is not automatically town indicative. There could be a mafia-aligned Gunsmith, and if there is,

bugspray

could be trying to gain towncred by claiming this and working with town.

Or you know....if bs is mafia. They are just faking being gunsmith. The idea they have to be gunsmith is weird idea to assume is the truthful part if you think could be mafia.

Only way he's scum is if he's actually "scum aligned gunsmith", or scum otherwise

knows

town doesn't have a gunsmith, or else he gets instantly countered and slaughtered.

Between that and Fred countertraining him against Meg, I don't even have an interest in humoring Bugspray being scum at the moment.

ummm its very easy to fake claim gunsmith as mafia.
why would scum assume town has a gunsmith here to counter?
Wait why am i going down this argument.

We both agree Bug isn't mafia. I should avoid pointless arguments

[Firebringer]

It's possible.

Considering main goal of setup is "HEY THERE'S FOR SURE GUNSMITH".

hey pooky was worried about you. should i be?

[Firebringer]

VOTE: enchant

[Firebringer]

I cc your cop and put on top of it Bulletproof Joat

[Firebringer]

I'm a kitty

I believe this

[Firebringer]

Enchant, u realize that meg did the whole "idc if u scumread me" routine to? And that ur pretending to not care is actually looking very sus

[Firebringer]

why would that be

[Firebringer]

that isn't whats relevant and i think u know it.
ur tone has done a 180 in the last 2 pages after i asked you a simple question and u go "i don't care" and ur whole "if ur mafia, yes" was like huge posturing right there.

U just did a huge shift and are like "i refuse to actually engage with u, and ur reason is "ur one person and i don't need to care about ur vote?" yeah thats not the point. if that was the point, you wouldn't need to respond to me at all.

[Firebringer]

do u not care if im mafia here trying to push u as easy lim. U don't even seem concerned thats a possibility.
And u are engaging as you say "i don't want to engage".

[Firebringer]

You are blatant mafia worrying i deduce you all.

RIP ya.

Ohhh so you do think im mafia. Lets go into that why don't we???

[Firebringer]

You are blatant mafia worrying i deduce you all.

RIP ya.

Ohhh so you do think im mafia. Lets go into that why don't we???

malculm first.

want to convince me on why i should buss malcom?

[Firebringer]

You are blatant mafia worrying i deduce you all.

RIP ya.

also since when do u have the ego to make this post. it reads more like posturing/acting

[Firebringer]

enchant i don't know if ur intentionally trying to annoy me or if this question i asked really triggered ur decision just to be as unhelpful as possible

But i gotta say. Good job annoying me.

It's possible.

Considering main goal of setup is "HEY THERE'S FOR SURE GUNSMITH".

hey pooky was worried about you. should i be?

[Firebringer]

It's dumb question "Are you mafia" in other way, they are annoying.

and instead of just answering honestly like that, you gave a ridiculous answer that looked fake as hell.

w/e ill drop it now. Think ur checked out from actually talking to me and I don't believe ur answers are ai anymore.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Malcolm

[Firebringer]

im lazy and just gonna omgus
VOTE: Fred

[Firebringer]

You people trying to scumread me need to try harder. Bugs says I have no gun and there’s all of a sudden a suspiciously large number of ppl eager to lowkey scumread me. Seems awfully convenient if you get what I’m saying.

i mean it is pretty clear ur "cleared" isn't a clear till scum doctor dies.
So u could be scum doc.
Or bugspray could be lying.

But lets not go into hypotheticals, ur low on the suspicion list right now

[Firebringer]

I appreciate that reminder. Can you remind me everyday?

[Firebringer]

Crescent I'm townreading for attempting to find mafia.

Firebringer I'm voting because Firebringer is one of the players I'm not townreading.

MalcolmTucker is also a player I'm not townreading, but I've randomly decided to go for Firebringer first.

ur town reading everyone except 3 players?
i find that hard to believe

[Firebringer]

Fire is a completely useless splinter

i choose to be very insulted by this

[Firebringer]

flavour

i got half way through this image and thought of something way dirtier to put that carrot which is where i thought this poster was going.

Good to know i am more of a degenerate than random anon posters

[Firebringer]

andante why do u only do prodge lately

[Firebringer]

i shold probably examine some of the people townreading me in more detail
but im too lazy.

I demand more scumreads.

[Firebringer]

Yeah but urs isn't spicy

[Firebringer]

I love ketchup

and i love mustard

Spoiler: post 966

Crescent I'm townreading for attempting to find mafia.

Firebringer I'm voting because Firebringer is one of the players I'm not townreading.

MalcolmTucker is also a player I'm not townreading, but I've randomly decided to go for Firebringer first.

ur town reading everyone except 3 players?
i find that hard to believe

Actually, except 2. I think you quoted the wrong post in your post as I didn't say that I was townreading everyone else or anything like that in the one you quoted.

Even worse. Want to elaborate on all ur townreads.
cause if i were u i would be like why the fuck am i townreading everyone

[Firebringer]

Gooooood morning scum butts.

I am going to sleep, but I will catch up soonish!

Xoxo

no sleep for u
VOTE: malakittens

[Firebringer]

i don't feel fred is that scummy.
Indecisive with no solid read formation - definitely
scum motivated? Ehhhhhhhhh....

I mean theres multiple things not to like -


But then i go would scum really come up with this way of making reads? I mean its low tier effort. Is it easy to fake? Def but like its also not something i would expect scum to post or say about reads to get them out of scrutiny. I mean maybe i am giving fred too much credit thinking he would try to over explain or compensate for reads but its pretty unabashed like my reads are bad and i know it.

Why doesn't he seem to go out of way to fix it? Good question. He should answer that because if all his townreads are very weak to basically be worthless. How is his non reads he wants to vote worth pushing.

Also i feel like theres more notes in the background than what is being said which irks me and makes me think there is lack of transparency from fred.

Man i found several reasons to stick with fred. Its just i don't feel that scum vibe. The logic/reasoning and even care aren't there but it just doesn't feel scummy. I would ask why he puts so little effort in now compared to i think he was more involved yesterday (which could mean scum demotivated from losing member?) or maybe just life.

Anyways all this to say. I am not feeling fred atm

[Firebringer]

You give Fred a naughty point for voting Fire, then.. You also vote Fire?

This feels contradictory.

only on a surface level
fred is naughty for voting me without ever mentioning me once.
i am naughty for omgus voting fred. Also explained what posts don't like of mine already.

Actually makes a lot of sense and pretty townie

[Firebringer]

it might be worth pushing andante if nothing else then to get her to be more involved. Feels like she is just not present and asking questions to try to get herself involved but not really actively reading enough to see her question in 1027 was pretty pointless because fred explanation of townread existed even if shallow before. Unless u want to dig deeper u got to ask deeper questions.

Like how do you see crescent is solving or something.
Which i still think is pointless because crescent is one of most active voices in game. Very easy for scum/town to answer this if reading.

[Firebringer]

Reasons that just strengthened my townread on Dwlee:
Dwlee99 has attempted to understand the scumreads on MegAzumarill.
Dwlee99 warned that my strategy of executing those that aren't looking for mafia in a 5-day period on the first day basically never works.

Crescent's interaction with MegAzumarill starting post 20 suggests Crescent isn't town with MegAzumarill. Basically, two mafia players don't interact like this, or at least I don't think they do.

Also these reasons for townreading Dwlee is shit.

1) Could easily be a question to see what is scummy about an ally to help defense or figure out if its worth bussing.
2) The strategy thing is purely player theory/perspective not AI

[Firebringer]

Pooky, i now trust you to be town. So you won't get a nickname. You may now complain

I sometimes wonder....if I hadn't called pooky town and kept calling him scum as a meme.
Would scum not have killed?

Probably still killed. But the fact i didn't shade him more so he could stay with us. Will haunt me for the rest of my days in this game.

[Firebringer]

you know i have same problem with both malcolm and Prince.
They both make comments that I think are almost looking at game from a scum perspective. Which might just be a scum hunting strat way. But the way presented almost seems like not aware of how it comes accross.

By this I mean they are looking at positions and opinions of how people shift opinions/votes in a way of who would go where (which I don't think is useful for scumhunting but is good for awareness as scum) and also looking at the optics of what would look good or bad positions to analyze reads (which is okay/too good scumhunting)

Maybe this is why I find them a bit sketchy. They both are doing their own thing and if I had to guess I would say Malcolm cares less about the appearance (which is points for him) but I don't see Prince as like trying to appeal to anyone in particular. Prince is literally doing own thing like taking notes in game thread and seeing where takes em.

I want pressure on prince just to see what would happen when prince is appealing to crowd or specific people more.

[Firebringer]

Lets do a read list before i crash-

Town
geraintm
Crescent
Bugspray
Greeting
Vivax

Null Lean Town
Lowell
Prince
Malcolm

Null
Frederick
Enchant
Unsure
Unown
Andante

Scum Lean
Malakittens

[Firebringer]

I am not liking my null and null lean town boxes.
I guess I would favor more town for lowell even if i don't like all his insistence on being confirmed
I would normally put enchant in null lean town but i don't want him in there.
frederick i go back and forth with and don't want to push for lim atm. But overall think it could be useful flip if we don't see more notes/thoughts that aren't just so lacking.

And Unsure/Unown I really don't have opinions except for the vote from unsure predecessor i think i said was a buss before? Unsure/Unown are like true null to me.

[Firebringer]

mala not returning since her first post isn't good for her chances of being town

[Firebringer]

i would push the Fred wagon over the edge, but ther eis no way we should be ended today right now. we will end up with the situation where a bunch of players cruise through to day 4 or whenever with no content whatsoever.

you will want to ask questions/poke players if you don't want them to not get away with nothing and cruising

[Firebringer]

Malakittens, Firebringer, Enchant are three players I remember as null.

are you aware that mala is dwlee slot? because you townread dwlee then when i pointed out those townreasons were bad. You are saying the slot is now completely null?

[Firebringer]

My mafia senses are telling me Enchant is scum.

if enchant is scum. i am utterly suprised at how apathetic/ belligerent the responses i got from him regarding his performance and tone shift to my little push. Compare day 1 happy go lucky enchant to response to me and its like a totally different player.

Like one a certain level I go maybe scum enchant just doesn't give a f anymore. Then constantly telling me he is going after me and that i should be scared.

It gives me mixed feelings and I would vote enchant out just because if scum don't want to skate by with the anti town play to win. But it feels like it all could just be town.

[Firebringer]

the rest of your analysis on enchant gives me good reason to think enchant doesn't want to be blamed at all for a mislim where enchant town would probably just keep voting

[Firebringer]

Also, Fire and MT would need pressure to contribute more.

Whattttt

[Firebringer]

If by the time I get back Fredrick A Campbell is at E-1, I will announce intent to hammer and hammer against my better judgement, for the simple reason that it's best to eliminate someone than no one and this still seems to be the choice of most townies. Given the way Day 2 is going, realistically I don't see any other solution, and I would name Fredrick A Campbell as a townlean, not a townread too.

we have five days and we just got new people in slots.
This is not a rush situation

[Firebringer]

IS mala going to get replaced because she is busy with exams and stuff?
I am working 10 hour days here and still make time to throw in a post or two and read this game.

Which is sad. Cause I basically this game is sucking up more of my almost small free time.

[Firebringer]

Ur the only true special snowflake here vivax

[Firebringer]

Thats a spicy take

[Firebringer]

Post 841

Interaction between Firebringer and Enchant starting these posts were weird. After some thought, I believe this is an attempt to distance themselves from each other. The other interactions between Firebringer and Enchant that I remember are about as weird to me.

In combination, all the interactions seem to be telling the audience "Look, [Firebringer/Enchant] is suspicious of [Enchant/Firebringer]. In case you forget or missed this show, we will put on another show in a few days' time."

Spoiler: Current Situation

Tested positive about 3 hours ago on a Covid-19 Self Test Kit

MAFIA PT:
"Hey, we probably need to distance with Enchant!"
"But why, Enchant ultimatly lurks and doesh't interact with us at all."
"Let's do it anyway, it will work for sure if Enchant dies."
"Yeah makes sense."

8 hours later:
"Oh heck, they discovered it was trick, what we gonna do now?"
"I guess bitch about Fredrick, was too smart."


... No really, if you have idea i even need to distancing with someone, you probably didn't bother with thinking.

which one am i in this convo.
Super confusing.

Who is our second partner distancing with u

[Firebringer]

look if ur going to make up convos with me in it. U need to do a better job imitating me.

[Firebringer]

Not really that spicy, considering I already said you

both

ended up looking worse out of that exchange. Snippet from post 1018:

On an interesting note, two of the only people he's not blanket "townreading" are two people who have gradually eroded in my eyes today - Fire and Enchant. I feel like neither player has contributed much of anything to the game today, and they came out of their personal exchange both looking worse.

I would ask why i dropped and why u think ive done nothing today. When I think ive done so much more than yesterday. But then I would be doing something.

Also i townread u so these questions are pointless

[Firebringer]

that frederick take only convinces me im right not to vote him
I don't believe scum fred makes up that theory on me and enchant.

[Firebringer]

Here is a good question for everyone.
Why am i the only one voting Mala?

[Firebringer]

actually i think it makes sense crescent thinks ive been doing nothing considering it feels like 90% of my posts go ignored in this game day. I just spam posts that people skip over.

Ironically its same thing i do when i see prince post

[Firebringer]

Here is a good question for everyone.
Why am i the only one voting Mala?

VOTE: Malakittens

Not so good now eh

My question still stands for everyone else!

[Firebringer]

Also... Mala might seriously need to be replaced out. That slot is bad.

Theres spots open on this wagon im selling.
Has prime real estate. New carpet and appliances

[Firebringer]

im feeling vibes this will be like last game i tried to dismantle a wagon and then i got counter wagoned and got limmed.
Good times

Would be pretty funny if that happened again, and if the person i tried saving was scum. again.

[Firebringer]

Also... Mala might seriously need to be replaced out. That slot is bad.

Theres spots open on this wagon im selling.
Has prime real estate. New carpet and appliances

You‘re the rich guy with my carpet that the mafia stole from me?

I wouldn't say rich. More affluent.
U already got the new carpet for joining though so u shouldn't complain

[Firebringer]

Don't know what that means

[Firebringer]

A Mala flip basically doesn't tell us anything.

Ewwww gross. Never argue this.

[Firebringer]

A Mala flip basically doesn't tell us anything.

Ewwww gross. Never argue this.

If we vote off Mala and get a town flip, we essentially outright wasted the day to learn absolutely nothing. A scum flip tells us very little, but at least it's a scum flip. Either way, day 3 ends up a copy of day 2 and the game stagnates even harder.

It's why I was constantly against policy voting NM in 2273, despite him wasting a player slot the entire game. I was only interested in resolving him if we just had nothing better to do.

We have two potential votes that are far better than a policy vote at the moment.

Its not even a policy vote. Dwlee posting wasn't good to begin with. The vote on enchant for posting a reads list. The explanation of it being so out of ordinary. Dwlee also soft defended mega by asking pooky why should scumread meg.

I think what happened is pretty simple. Dwlee gives lazy vote on enchant that could be buss or not. i don't really care it was easy to self justify and not get suspicion cause its enchant. Then does nothing else in the day besides call andante town which is another easy read to throw out and ask why meg should be scumread. Next day is even more absent after a scum was already flipped. Yes busy with life is a thing, but i think its easier to go "busy with life" when ur scum and just don't want to play the alignment and ur team lost someone so when i see people lurking out of game after a scum died. I go "this is worth pushing"

Fred is sick and is still posting here. Even if it seems like fred head not all there, fred has covid so easy to explain.

Mala excuse? Busy with exams. She joined knowing that was going on. This isn't mala first game. Ive seen her join games where she was busy and she puts in more than this after 48 hours, when she is town.

at some point it isn't just life, its a combination of life plus you got a alignment in which requires more work to do. Because being scum requires more work usually and its easier to just float as much as possible than put in anything into game.

[Firebringer]

I really dislike this framing as a policy lim.

[Firebringer]

Okay ill bite on this.
What has enchant done in the last 24-30 hours (i presume my fight with him was like 48 hours ago or longer) so different from how he started this game day.

Because ive not seen anything different that could scream scummy except for that call out you did of him unvoting which i think was hella weird.

[Firebringer]

DWLee doesn't strike me as the "lazy bus" type, but correct me if I'm wrong. I could easily be wrong on that.

I don't see dwlee as lazy busser. But I also can see world where it was a buss. It could go either way but if im going by their direct interactions I would give lower than 50% odds its SvS interactions. My mind is if mala flipped scum then enchant scum likelihood is lower but not erased.

[Firebringer]

My standpoint is dwlee!scum could easily push enchant!town because who is going to defend enchant!town

[Firebringer]

Who are u

[Firebringer]

Also isn't the argument of enchant not wanting to be on a town wagon defeated by the pushing of bugspray or am i too tired to think?
I actually don't remember bugspray being ever threatened by lim yesterday but i thought they were leading wagon before meg was pushed over the top.

[Firebringer]

I die tonight

I promise not to kill you.
And if you die u know i can't be mafia because I never lied about this.

#trust tell

[Firebringer]

hopefully no one takes that seriously i don't have a trust tell lol

[Firebringer]

fred is a trash wagon yet no one wants to move or do anything else but wait till it pushes through.
Everyone immediately dismisses my mala push.

Its like most people don't care that much for fred wagon but are so indiifferent they just waiting for it to be decided for them.
Kind of annoying

[Firebringer]

It has been 89 hours since Mala replaced near-total inactive DWLee, and Mala themselves has 4 posts and still no content. Kinda hard to build a scum case when both players in that slot have amounted to nothing.

Kinda do feel like we have a fair amount of people who kinda just.. Don't really care who we flip today.

Fred's probably just gonna flip VT and Enchant is going to laugh in the background as he does but I'm kinda just done arguing today. Feels like I'm talking to 5 people in a game with 15 players.

I’d be down if I didn’t decide to replace in and forget that I had a bunch of assignments and exams due.

In general I’m legit a low poster. Have recently been replaced in a game because of not being able to do deadlines to post bc of said activity

This is different than being a low poster. And you took more words typing out to explain you don't post much than giving anything of what you think of anything. Takes a few minutes to give a few thoughts of some posts you have read since you replaced in, you quoting a post shows you read somethings.

I don't buy this excuse mala

[Firebringer]

fred is a trash wagon yet no one wants to move or do anything else but wait till it pushes through.
Everyone immediately dismisses my mala push.

Its like most people don't care that much for fred wagon but are so indiifferent they just waiting for it to be decided for them.
Kind of annoying

Have you read my 1160? It feels like either you haven't, or you're being intentionally dismissive of what I (and others) think is valid reasoning.

I read post 1160. I don't see how any of what you said means literally anything. So I guess I am going to dismiss it because wagonomics is all you were talking about and it wasn't even convincing wagonomics which is usually only useful for giving you hints of what to look at.

Also same post you call me scum. Why should I take your analysis worth anything when I know at least one conclusion your reaching is wrong.

Lastly you don't respond to what i said on mala slot so we both hypocrites

[Firebringer]

Also as likely as Firebringer now in my head

Okay now you are annoying me.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer I have felt at times could have an agenda. They seem perfectly capable of sheeping Pooky on a correct scumread in order to bus and then pivot that into a nightkill on Pooky

and then attempting to take control of a mostly apathetic game.

I don't think I actively scumread anything they've posted, but their positioning concerns me. Could easily be scum with Malcolm, as 1035 feels lightly partnered to me.

id rather this not be an apathetic game than me leading it. Also leading this game feels like a trying to rally a bunch of stray cats with no catnip available.

i would have to yell at the top of my voice to move this crowd. I am not going to do that even if ive been annoyed at how little my voice has been heard/ignored/dismissed

Not worth it. Also as a high level point why would I kill pooky if all i did was sheep him and pooky didn't think i was scum at all? I mean i guess pooky is worthy kill because influential/strong town voice? I mean i don't even know if thats how he is perceived in general by players in this game. Seems you do. I never really looked at how pooky perceived by everyone. I assumed pooky killed because scum didn't see him as viable mislim.

[Firebringer]

So let's see. He votes Fire because he's apparently townreading almost the entire game, even though half the reasons were shit, and he later admits some of them were shit. Then he votes Enchant after I argue Enchant is scumm and says they're both scum because of the bad interaction they had. I agree it was bad, but I feel like he's stretched for reasons to find most of the game town, but Fire would've been

much[/i[ less of a stretch to call town than say, DWLee. My first thought going into the day on Fire was that scum probably doesn't act that way with Pooky on a bus. This alone is a better reason to townread Fire than over half the reasons he gave for other people. I have no actual clue why he is tunneling in on Fire, and can find no particularly good reasons for it.

What Fire did with Meg alongside Pooky generally isn't ever a bus.

Lord this ISO is such a joke to re-read in general. There's almost nothing of any value in these posts, and there's 114 of them.

I get that fred reasoning on me scum is shit.

But you have to reconcile the facts that scumreading me right now in his position as scum. Is moronic to the level of you have to believe that scum!fred thinks its smart to try to throw away one of his strongest defenders.

Like basic human phsycology here. Fred goes for me hard enough he risks loosing my support for his defense and then fred flipped. It would be so much simpler just to call enchant scum and not even talk about me. You have to think scum fred is either not thinking what and who they can push safely because they just want to produce mediocre fake scumhunting.

Which I just don't buy.

Its high risk low reward.

[Firebringer]

i mean that was before he actively had a ~reason~ for me being scum. Before it was literally "everyone town except these 2-3" and i was one of them.

Then it became me and enchant are partnered which i liked that post. Now this continuation of 1319-1320 is just like adding on top with no explanation other than its stronger. For what reasons and why not explained and is annoying me.
But i still think its pretty stupid to do for scum.

[Firebringer]

phsycology

my mispelling of psychology haunts me.

Also - hopefully im not too much in just conf biasing territory on my read of Fred. Cause other people have made good points on bad pushes/reasoning and things fred has done. My overall arching opinion has been fred is playing too bad to be scum. Which might be wrong but i generally think scum play is higher level than this.

[Firebringer]

Fred voted you in #893, and you voted him in #939. He again de facto scumreads you... And Enchant, in #960.

His vote on Mala is opportunistic, following

you

just 11 posts after you vote her (#1029/#1040). He then jumps off to Enchant, again de factor scum reads you in #1094, then pops in at #1201 and gives an actual justification for it.

Fred's behavior towards you and Enchant today is very specific and consistent. I do not believe that you switched to defending him is particularly relevant. He's been routinely dropping in to effectively call you and Enchant scum without actually calling you scum most of the day, until he did actually call you scum.

It's actually a rather horrendous look.

Hmmm maybe all scum!fred cares about is being consistent and just isn't in game because of covid.

Alright fine
VOTE: Fred

You convinced me

[Firebringer]

i am just gonna stop defending people unless they are so firmly in my town bucket i would rather get yeeted than them.

[Firebringer]

It was too much to ask to be night killed

okay what is up yall

[Firebringer]

Can we expect malakittens to have caught up and give us some stuff to respond to today ?

[Firebringer]

Huh, I just got Fred instantly by breaking Fire's argument on him with minimal effort.

...And of course Enchant is the hammer. Here we go I guess.

do i get to blame u for my failing then

[Firebringer]

I'm okay with an Enchant elim. I think that one of my townreads is likely wrong. Could be Greeting, I suppose, but he might be right about Unsure.

VOTE: Firebringer

u seem to do this in a pattern of saying u will vote someone who is more likely to lim but then vote someone less likely to get lim.
Is there a psychological reason u do this or u just want ur voice more heard on the vanity reads?

[Firebringer]

im pretty strong on greeting town and don't know where crescent was seeing buddying/pocketing from greeting yesterday or where the suspicion is coming form.

Just fear of deep wolf?

[Firebringer]

i mean i don't feel too bad for fred.
If fred wasn't going to wise up on reads it was only going to net negative for the town.
So while I am annoyed at myself for deciding i was being too stubborn. I didn't loose much sleep over it.

Fred can yell at me for it post game or something.

[Firebringer]

i guess thats indirect buddying?
usually when i buddy as scum i just say nice things about the person to them. While calling them town. Agreeing with them alot no matter their opinions.

I didn't see that beyond greeting saying u were town.

[Firebringer]

Yeah the way Fred played he has 0 right to yell at anyone.

the right to complain is universal!!

[Firebringer]

I am wondering why, in spite of being townread so widely, my reads, which I feel are very widely substantiated, are not being shared by the vast majority of players. The fact that there are players who supposedly townread me and whom I townread (

Crescent

comes to mind) and who for some reason keep refusing to work with me leads us nowhere. It's giving me a real headache and making me wonder if there is a point in me even speaking about my scumreads anymore.

And yes, some of you people who say are townreading me are lying scum who just know that there is not enough suspicion to scapegoat me and throw me out.

When have I

ever

said I townread you?

I have read your ISO very carefully and you are correct. You didn't call me a townread and my belief that you did was mistaken.

Nonetheless, I believe I am deserving of a townread for all my pro-town actions in this game. And if you think that I'm a scumread then I dare you to build an actual case against me and vote me out today instead of saying some deepwolf bs because you're being paranoid.

What a spicy post

[Firebringer]

So what is going on

[Firebringer]

Woke up at 7 am been working since then. Its now nearly 11. Taking a break to post in here and chat with yall for a hot minute.

but enough my complaining. What i miss

Just in case so i don't get replaced later

@Mod V/LA till weekend

[Firebringer]

What makes Firebringer the least likeliest busser?

because i was on early and didn't hard pile drive it like a busser would if they were on it early.

[Firebringer]

maybe fb scum

anyone feels it?!?!

Spicy
please continue

[Firebringer]

I hope that wasnt testing the waters for a wagon on me mala because if so that was weak

[Firebringer]

MT at the end of D1, why did you feel as if Meg needed more pressure?

Slightly confused here - not seeing this in my ISO? I hammered without realising after all.

you are saying you hammered without realising....doesnt actually make that true

There are three possibilities.

1. I hammered without realising.
2. I hammered deliberately as town to eliminate Meg, and am lying now.
3. I hammered Meg to bus as scum and to end the turn early.

You can believe whichever you wish - I am saying it was the first one.

i believe 1 but its not mutually exclusive to town.

Thought 1 is more likely town.

[Firebringer]

Never
doing that would be a nail in my coffin

I VOW TO LIVE ANOTHER DAY OK

i don't like ur focus on surviving.
But i don't want to focus on it because thats generally nai

u got any hot scumreads for me or do i need to iso u.

[Firebringer]

Doubt enchanted is scum

Okay now im living in this game world where Enchanted is very town (or doubtful scum w/e u want to call it) and you feel scum on me.

NOW I REALLY WANT YOU TO DO SOME SPLAINING

[Firebringer]

Enchant your tone has shifted so drastically from day 1 and has stayed shifted and i can't say its just the avatar switch. (that might play a factor)

ur basically playing like a grouch and i would like u to stop.
Do i need to dangle gifts/rewards for motivated!enchant

[Firebringer]

This group getting a lot of traction out of pretending to care about quickhammers.

yeah....i don't care about quick hammers at all.
This convo on malcolm quick hammering day 1 is actually working opposite effect on making me think he could be scum to all the people arguing it.

This game is dead. Scum wins.

be the change you want to see in the world

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Unsure
don't like the malcom push

[Firebringer]

Who the hell is Enchanted

ur ultimate form

Enchant your tone has shifted so drastically from day 1 and has stayed shifted and i can't say its just the avatar switch. (that might play a factor)

ur basically playing like a grouch and i would like u to stop.
Do i need to dangle gifts/rewards for motivated!enchant

Why you think Prince is town?

no longer feel strongly either way.
u got something for me there

[Firebringer]

im alive for now. it looks like i didn't miss much.
I have such a damn headache right now and Mala hasn't responded to nay of my QUESTIONS!

[Firebringer]

im alive for now. it looks like i didn't miss much.
I have such a damn headache right now and Mala hasn't responded to nay of my QUESTIONS!

what question did i miss.

it was right after you posted....I asked you to explain town!enchant and scum!fire world here.
You are prodging now with this stuff. Where was ur ~catchup~ what is going on.

[Firebringer]

You guys know this game is a team-based effort?

problem in general is i don't want to work with anyone here

[Firebringer]

overall, of the three i would put their voting history as

Worst: Vivax
2nd: Enchant
3rd: Unsure

Vivax slotted onto the Meg wagon at a really ugly point, their Day 2 just looks like they were hard trying to not be on the Fred wagon and switched over to the Mala one before being nowhere

Enchant - i just cannot understand the logic behind any of their votes, they seem almost plucked from thin air

Unsure - similar to Enchant, just less of them.

Overall, i would really want Vivax to go today. their history is poor, and they seem desperate to get enchant gone today.
i think the two slots are on opposite sides, i don't think they can be together

VOTE: Vivax

Vivax doesn't seem desperate for anything except moving the game along.
Also as u would say, naughty points to u for voting Vivax.

[Firebringer]

like, of the few things I said, you care about going "but your vote is there, soo..." like, that feels like the scummiest thing someone could do right now

Okay u need to get ur grounding somewhere because now it just seems like you are throwing darts at a board andante.
He asked why you switching ur votes to get an idea of what ur mindset is. How is that scummy? didn't even frame it in a way of "this discrepancy is scummy" just "what is going on here"

Which is neutral to investigation.

[Firebringer]

I will sheep Crescent's Firebringer read until a certain point in the game.

And you can't read me because???

[Firebringer]

Okay here is my general vibe/feelings that might not be useful at all.
enchant has been like begging to get yeeted. Basically spitting in all our faces as we try to apply any pressure. I don't like the attitude but this is so brazen for scum to do that im not on board with it. Which maybe enchant has picked up and been utilizing. I also get feeling scum are reluctant to vote or push enchant because low hanging fruit and don't want to be the first to go there. So if voted its the later votes where they feel comfortable that they wont be called out on it.

Unown. Is one i haven't had a lot of opinions on but i get the sense of votes placed and attitude around the slot that scum are angling/want this as mislim. I am not certain who because like andante is a top townread for me. I should be able to point out specific people who i think are trying to manufacture a push there but it just felt off from the few votes and mentions of unown from others. Maybe im seeing nothing I just don't know and i haven't given this slot much individual attention all game.

Lots of my townish reads have been getting firmer in there position which is the only good thing about this game day.
gera , vivax, greeting, crescent
lowell has gotten weaker due to like not doing anything but complain. Needs to do shit.


So my yeet pool right now is sitting with:
Unsure, Malakittens, Prince

[Firebringer]

super not helpful but im fairly certain one of malcolm/prince is scum.
And it has almost nothing to do with their interactions together. I just read each individually and don't think they make sense as a team.

[Firebringer]

i think its fairly obvious i have no influence on anyone this game to make any elim i want happen

[Firebringer]

it's greeting and prince but whatever. if people wanna hold this game hostage for 3 more days... whatever, I want no part in that

This game could do less with posts like this.
Continue building your case instead of getting upset with lack of progression.. Which maybe is hypocritical of me to say but w/e lets try being more productive

[Firebringer]

GUYS
WHY IS ENCHANT SCUM

SRSLY

WHY IS ENCHANT TOWN
i can do this too.

here are some points for at least anti town play:
> is doing no scumhunting in the game
> has no reasons for votes and even explains doesn't remember why made any of them
> actively encourages wagon on self with attitude
> looked like scumhunting day 1 or at least was forming reads then dropped off completely after a scum lim. Why dismotivated now?

So....again. Why is enchant town?
Ive given reasons that it might just be too brazen to be scum. I just don't see any town mindset beyond "fuck you town i do what i want" which i can relate to sometimes as town but if this is all we are going to hold up as reason for town its not really great standing.

[Firebringer]

good talk yall! you don't wanna play the game? I don't don't care. Greeting absolutely needs to go here, UNO can go tomorrow, then Prince next day.

cause this game is an actual joke to all yall clearly...

Please stop making these posts

[Firebringer]

Okay here is my general vibe/feelings that might not be useful at all.
enchant has been like begging to get yeeted.

Basically spitting in all our faces as we try to apply any pressure. I don't like the attitude but this is so brazen for scum to do that im not on board with it.

Which maybe enchant has picked up and been utilizing. I also get feeling scum are reluctant to vote or push enchant because low hanging fruit and don't want to be the first to go there. So if voted its the later votes where they feel comfortable that they wont be called out on it.

Unown. Is one i haven't had a lot of opinions on but i get the sense of votes placed and attitude around the slot that scum are angling/want this as mislim. I am not certain who because like andante is a top townread for me. I should be able to point out specific people who i think are trying to manufacture a push there but it just felt off from the few votes and mentions of unown from others. Maybe im seeing nothing I just don't know and i haven't given this slot much individual attention all game.

Lots of my townish reads have been getting firmer in there position which is the only good thing about this game day.
gera , vivax, greeting, crescent
lowell has gotten weaker due to like not doing anything but complain. Needs to do shit.


So my yeet pool right now is sitting with:
Unsure, Malakittens, Prince

I don't feel like that would be particularly out of character for Enchant. Frankly I'd find it a lot more suspicious if they started mounting a detailed, evidence-based response for why they are town.

i mean i think theres a huge gap distinction between detailed evidence based responses and giving an explanations/thoughts to reads or pushes to show what you are thinking. I never get any idea where enchant mind has been at all besides "yall can yeet me if you want. see what i care" mindset. Which i have said a million times. So i kind of disagree on the out of character

overall, of the three i would put their voting history as

Worst: Vivax
2nd: Enchant
3rd: Unsure

Vivax slotted onto the Meg wagon at a really ugly point, their Day 2 just looks like they were hard trying to not be on the Fred wagon and switched over to the Mala one before being nowhere

Enchant - i just cannot understand the logic behind any of their votes, they seem almost plucked from thin air

Unsure - similar to Enchant, just less of them.

Overall, i would really want Vivax to go today. their history is poor, and they seem desperate to get enchant gone today.
i think the two slots are on opposite sides, i don't think they can be together

VOTE: Vivax

Vivax doesn't seem desperate for anything except moving the game along.
Also as u would say, naughty points to u for voting Vivax.

I'm not sure Vivax is a push scum would particularly be making at the moment. I don't SR the slot myself but I feel like Ger's genuinely trying to solve even if I disagree with the eventual conclusion.

I was making fun of gera. I don't think gera is scummy for it.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Malakittens

[Firebringer]

my self/mala meta for why malakittens is scum and im done waiting around for her to respond to me:
For the last 4-5 games ive played with town mala. She has correctly gotten my alignment 100% of the time.
This wasn't a slow process for her either, she picked up on my scum traits pretty fast with early feeling/vibe posts she would mention before taking me to task.

The fact here she goes "maybe fire is scum" then goes idk just feels. Doesn't commit, and hasn't just called me town yet.
Tells me she is scum and doesn't know how to treat me.

I also think she is defending enchant town because she knows for a fact enchant is town.

In summary, mala would know im town and picked up on it by now. She doesn't need to even read my whole iso. She picks up on my alignment fast and for you to believe she is town i have to be mafia.

So let your read on me decide whether to push this. Cause I think personally this is a shut case.
We all can go home and drink

[Firebringer]

For the last 4-5 games ive played with

Just to bring context these aren't really recent games. This is over last two years. Ive been less active in mafia but mala still figures me out in a lot of games. So even if these aren't recent i think they are extremely relevant.

[Firebringer]

This has got to be the most uncooperative, paranoid and idle town

if you want to form a coalition of mutually townread players so we just vote as a block i am open to doing that so we can stop with the negativity.
But you and crescent need to stop being at each other throats.
I can play neutral third party to get u two to get along.

@crescent how about it?

[Firebringer]

Look i am going to form a team of my townreads right now.

Vivax, greeting, crescent, andante and gera are welcome to join.

We will be team BEAR AVENGERS in honor of my fallen brother Pooky.

Our first prioity is to bring fun back in the game.
The second is for us to agree on a yeet pool and then we can just vote in that.
To determine who in the yeet pool goes we go by majority rule within our group and others have to sheep.

Lets go

[Firebringer]

BEAR AVENGERS WANTS YOU TO JOIN!

@vivax
@greeting
@crescent
@andante
@geraintm

[Firebringer]

It will ruin after one town flip

ur just jealous ur not invited

[Firebringer]

I am very confident none of them are scum.

[Firebringer]

The whole notion from FB that mala always recognizes Ench town is a bit enigmatic, but I‘ll take it.

recognizes town!me not town enchant.
Fact she townreads enchant over nothing indicates to me she knows enchant is town.

Which if im right on mala gives me the strongest reason ive had this game to call enchant town

[Firebringer]

i think its fairly obvious i have no influence on anyone this game to make any elim i want happen

Hopefully everyone understands now how wrong this was. I don't think you had any reason to take control of the game previously, but you are clearly capable of doing so whenever you decide you want to. This is why I think you as scum would kill Pooky. He would be your main threat for denying you that position after he successfully caught a scum on day 1, and now he can be a martyr who also happened to be your buddy.

Even with my suspicion of you I'm swayed by the charisma and would be willing to vote alongside the Bear Avengers, so you are obviously very effective.

i think you are massively over selling me here.

This has got to be the most uncooperative, paranoid and idle town

if you want to form a coalition of mutually townread players so we just vote as a block i am open to doing that so we can stop with the negativity.
But you and crescent need to stop being at each other throats.
I can play neutral third party to get u two to get along.

@crescent how about it?

I am very obviously willing to work with others. Not so sure about

Crescent

.

@Crescent ball is in your court. How can I resolve your issues with greeting so we can move on to better and greater fights. Like fighting Ultron.

Okay I want to join Firebringers avengers it sounds fun. What do I need to do?

be strong townread to lock for me. its called a town block - you haven't been townie to me all game.

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Enchant [4]: Prince of Paterson, Unsure, Greeting, UNOwen

My SRs are... voting together???

Hey Andante I made several posts at you. Don't do the ignore thing.
I want you on the bear avengers and u to have fun here.

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My enchant town is stipulated on malakittens scum.
Even if i did have a strong enough townread on enchant to say its locked. Do you think I can work with enchant at all today?

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be strong townread to lock for me. its called a town block - you haven't been townie to me all game.

no one wants to lim my scumreads so i never had the chance

There have been people i townread that don't convince me of any of their reads...

Enchant [4]: Prince of Paterson, Unsure, Greeting, UNOwen

My SRs are... voting together???

Hey Andante I made several posts at you. Don't do the ignore thing.
I want you on the bear avengers and u to have fun here.

I saw all the "andante do something"

I mean, you being the only vote on malakittens isn't exactly doing anything

no thanks, I want no part in bear avengers, there's a bunch of scum there

Who do you want to work with to get an elim off. Because looking outside at your efforts here i see alot of emotion at not getting to the wagons/ people lim you want, but no reach out to actually work with anyone to make it happen.

So do you not think of a strategy or idea of how ur convincing anyone and just hope ur complaining will get u there? I have made no progress and i blame that on me literally not trying to work with anyone and now i am trying so i think i will make progress on ~something~ maybe not my pref lims but i don't see u convincing anyone of anything.

curious why you dont think i'm townie. obviously im a bit biased.

Calling unsure town for now

doesn't seem like "all game" to me

i was specifically on the person previously in ur slot and not u specifically. I was looking at the interactions on meg. Kind of ignoring the context of me calling u town there, but w/e.

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are you reading or just finding random posts to respond to

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sorry my question was rhetorical because u clearly didn't read the post u responded to

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we want to lim one of the easiest testable roles in the game?

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and that gives us a ton of info

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It gives us a 1v1 situation.
The only way it wouldn't be 1v1 in that scenario would be if mafia doctor somehow figured out MT target.

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God if there is a second role blocker. I am protesting post game

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I work all day expecting to come back to a malcolm flip and then mala is getting run up.
Not gonna say i hate it but i am surprised pikachu over here

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And as for you,

@Malcolm

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You are to use your role every Night for as long as you're alive in the game from now on and report whom you shot. Refusing to use your role is letting it go to waste. It's not a big deal if you kill off a suspicious townie. If you try to shoot a suspicious player and nothing happens, you must report this immediately, because there's a very good chance this means it's a scum.

If I had your role, I would use it on:

Malakittens

,

Enchant

(if he does not get eliminated today),

Unsure

,

UNOwen

and maybe

Lowell

. Order is from most preferable to least.

If you have no idea whom to shoot, because you have too many townreads, feel free to use mine or from any other player you townread the strongest. I would say that shooting someone who is not in

Firebringer

's town club is very strongly preferable.

If you refuse to work with us, then I will automatically assume that you're mafia and will push for your elimination. And there may come a time in this game when we can no longer afford to miseliminate a townie. If you're the townie who gets hunted for lack of cooperation in ELo, you will be widely blamed for our loss and rightfully so.

I hope I made myself clear.

I cosign this post

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No, it does not. It could mean you were roleblocked, or it could scum saved them. Your claim has no scum-confirming power.

Can we like....rule out the possibility of a second roleblocker right now and just say it has to be a mafia doc if we want to go down this wifom road.

Like lets not be crazy here. If there is a second roleblocker scum I consider this game to be unsolvable with roles then.

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VOTE: Malcolm
Knew your townread on enchant was full of it mala.

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Ngl kind of happy andante went
She didn’t seem to be in cooperative mood this game

Actually surprised prince hasn’t accused me of being scummy for her death since her out of way goes to his theory that I can push game where I want

We aren’t in a lim or loose right. Do I need to count
Because otherwise I don’t want to lim mala because she acts tonight and I want to hear results regardless of alignment and people can say that’s dumb all they want

We shouldn’t have limmed Malcom and that one is 100% on me

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Also I kinda think Andante softclaimed hoping she'd get shot for it so.... I don't think much of her dying, really. I expected her to.

I would have shot a cop over a rolestopper. Especially since

Andante

was raging and not scumhunting.

No reason for a scumteam to care enough to shoot an even night cop claim night 3 when the player who made such cop claim is worthless. Andante never actually claimed her role straight up.

And frankly Andante was ridiculously obvious. Mala is still scummy and contributes nothing to the game. If Mala is town, no scumteam in the right mind even considers a shot there last night.

Wow screw you too
I’m definitely not worthless and take full fucking offense to that

Mala.
Can you honestly with a straight face tell me you been useful this game outside of you telling us you have a cop clear on Enchant.

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And frankly Andante was ridiculously obvious.

I never picked it up.
I guess maybe cause im not looking for obvious crumbing? Or looking for pr

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I mean, this game is mountainous anyway. Town is doing a "try not to use your role in an effective way" challenge and succeeding.

i kind of believe this setup is designed in a way to be effectively mountainous anyways.

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i actually don't like how comfortable people are with just mislims because X is playing bad.
Like okay, but you still voted wrong. We don't move the win condition further just by elimming someone not playing how we want. Sometimes its good for the game but I don't think someone not using power role is different than just like not playing game/being extremely detrimental to the day game.
I mean to be frank ive seen so much worsei n night play so when i see someone just didn't use a role. I am kind of like "well at least malcom didn't shoot andante or something"

That is my low bar

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Mala
Do you have any reads

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I do still stand by Malcolm being an ok voteoff despite the flip and really nothing you can do will change my mentality on that.

i think your mentality is detrimental to growth.
and @unsure im not trying to guilt trip. Just think people brushing of mislims like its all the other persons fault isn't good for a player mentality to actually improve and prevent mislims from happening from future. Like you can have two standpoints to a mislims and well maybe a more nuanced 3d
1) its the fault of the person mislimmed
2) its the fault of the voter

Everyone gravitates to one or other and i think the second is better for players to have in order to find out ways to stop the person from voting wrong in future. Blaming the person is a hit or miss because its not like i believe policy lims really change behavior and certainly shouting at a player "YOU SUCK" isn't going to motivate them or encourage improvement on their end. So all you can do is improve yourself.

Anyways thats my philisophy psychology rant of this game day.

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Nah, Unsure can go to town pile. Owen too.
Should be enough info around to solve it and I need to bring myself to it.

And my paranoia about Crescent is firing up. That would make Lowell town for example. If that's the case, it's a town doctor, which keeps Owen alive and probably kills me on the next night.

Enchant, Crescent, Prince perhaps? Unsure on Firebringer.

Crescent said that seeing Andante getting tunneled triggered her, which is unusual if you don't know that the reasons are bad. That points at Crescent having TMI and being mafia, actually. Andante having flipped town helps with that, though it wasn't too surprising as a pick.

I CAN'T BE SCUM WITHOUT MALA BEING SCUM YOU NOT EVEN TRYING

want me to hit u with some real wifom.
imagine a world where both mala is town and she fake claimed a cop to try to eat a night bullet or just not get limmed.
In that world ur scum.

IMAGINE IT

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i've just realized that i accidentally set the day deadline at 8 days instead of 10. this will be corrected shortly. apologies for any inconveniences or distress this may have caused.

I was so distressed

best post of this game

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I am more annoyed by checking Lowell who was checked by gunsmith.

"AAAAAAA WHAT IF LOWELL IS MAFIA DOCTOR, EVERYONE CHECK HIM AND ONLY HIM"

These posts are the best case for town enchant i have seen this game

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I’m an even-night cop.
I have an innocent on enchant.
Hence my townread and refusal to vote there.

Definitely not unvoting now. Death to Malcolm!

Unown you knew here that Mala was claiming even night cop and you didn't even question it then? Or point out you thought it was bunk?
Did you think at the time that both were unbelievable claims?
Why was Mala more believable

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If all claims are true, then the remaining 3-4 mafia should be in here.

Now, let's color all the townreads green.

{Unsure, Vivax, Firebringer, Crescent, geraintm, Prince of Paterson}

Conclusion? Either the townreads are off or the claims are off, because if both are right, we're missing one, up to two scum.

I think its pretty obvious claims aren't true in this game right now.

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Mala doesn't even react to another cop claim in this game.
She didn't react to loyal vig initially.
Its kind of like she doesn't care about this game at all.

Mala am i wrong?

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Ngl kind of happy andante went
She didn’t seem to be in cooperative mood this game

Actually surprised prince hasn’t accused me of being scummy for her death since her out of way goes to his theory that I can push game where I want

That isn't an argument that I would present. I don't think you as scum would be likely to kill Andante for any reason other than her role. I'm not that interested in pursuing you as a possible scum at this time anymore anyway.

Umm most night kills are for people you don't think you can elim during the day. Id say only 30% of my scum thought process takes role into consideration and only when i think the person is going to use that role effectively on me. I.E i think X is a cop and chances of me getting checked are high.

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for some reason ive been thinking we are only looking for 2 scum.
The fact that there is 3 is really making me think my hard townlocks have scum in it.
Like could it be Unsure/Unown/Prince/Malakittens. Yes, but I don't feel that is a 3/3 situation in there. It feels like 2/3 at best.

I don't want to be paranoid of my Bear Avengers right now.
We lim mala for one scum flip today and i guess someone from bear avengers dies? Idk maybe scum kills more of our "PR" like if unown is town. I think that would be dumb but you know im not on scum team and don't see what they are seeing clearly, because andante didn't seem like a useful kill to me