Micro 1091 - Prism v. 1L Year [Game Over]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im a miller

VOTE: cakez

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

miller besties

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wanna bet who has the better miller flavor

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i picked three of the last four supreme court justices

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

your turn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

btw you can guess who i am :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i loved legally blonde and election.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

guiltylion scumclaimjng alrdy smh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wanna bet who has the better miller flavor

Mine because I actually have miller flavor

meuh if you dont crumb or claim your flavor immediately i will take it as a scum claim

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

theres literally no harm in flavor claiming

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think if meuh is mafia she decided to claim miller impulsively for fun and she doesnt actually have flavor for a miller fake claim.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

meuh what is your flavor or crumb of your flavor

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok im a member of the federalist society what r u

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't really see the purpose of crumbing flavour in a game where scum can ask for free flavour (nor am I a particularly big fan of doing that)

cuz if prism is offline aint nobody going to give you the flavor for your fake claim

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wtf

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok im a member of the federalist society what r u

That's lame I thought you were straight up claiming Donald Trump

imagine thinking trump knows anything about law w i l d

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm Prism's legal research and writing class (yes, the class itself)

You’re the curve miller.

Nah I'm a regular old townie

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm Prism's legal research and writing class (yes, the class itself)

You’re the curve miller.

Nah I'm a regular old townie

why did u claim miller

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what is the point of that question

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

she decided to claim miller impulsively for fun

do you think that's something scum!Meuh is likely to do?

I don't think there's a point in guessing what scum!meuh will or won't do or whether Prism would run a micro with two millers in it. it's just trying to outguess an opponent or the mod.

What I do know is there are different states in the world.


State 1: Meuh is town, she is telling the truth, pressuring her to claim flavor does nothing - no loss

State 2: Meuh is mafia, she prepared a miller claim with flavor from Prism beforehand - she claims her flavor - this is similar to state 1 - no real loss.

State 3: Meuh is mafia, she saw me claim miller and decided to get a little bit crazy and also claim miller and voted me, she didn't ask Prism for miller fakeclaim flavor beforehand, I pressure her, she can't come up with a fakeclaim or makes something up because Prism is offline, her flavorclaim sucks and she's caught out - this is the best scenario.

I dunno if her flavor is that believable. An entire class is pretty wild and it feels like she's taking "curve" to literally be a curve as the joke. Her lack of curiosity at my flavor feels off since she's CCing me? I don't even know what she thinks of my alignment. I'm not going to loudly push for her to be eliminated just on the claim so I'm going to see how the game plays out

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If you're town, it does nothing. If you're scum, it's demoralizing because you're forced to lie to me already

I am not demoralized by lying

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

for example here is a lie:

I am mafia and I am going to murder ya'all

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the funniest fourth option is she's town and lying to be silly and goofy

i assume no throw lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

objection: speculation

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: elle

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I wouldn't lie about being a miller as town fwiw

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if i'm mafia i'm obviously not a miller

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you really think i’m likely to be a scums here?

objection: calls for a narrative answer

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if your question is would I ever fake claim miller as mafia.

I guess my answer would be that I have fake claimed miller once before but it was after I got guilted already and I was more or less lolcat trolling and decided to make up the most ridiculous thing I could think of because it was amusing to me and we had already lost atp;

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[PookyTheMagicalBear]

2006 I can't believe my memory goes back that far

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It all starts here: the canonical case in American property law.

Lodowick Post was out hunting a fox on a New York beach when it was shot and killed by his local archrival, Jesse Pierson, instead. A fierce debate ensued about who the owner of the poor departed fox's mortal remains should be, and Post took his nemesis to court demanding return of the fox. Post spent a lot of time and effort chasing after that fox and all but had it within his grasp, but Pierson was the one who actually killed it and grabbed the carcass first.

"By the pleadings it is admitted that a fox is a "wild and noxious beast." Both parties have regarded him, as the law of nations does a pirate, "hostem humani generis [enemy of mankind]," and although "de mortuis nilnisi bonum [of the dead nothing but good is to be said]" be a maxim of our profession, the memory of the deceased has not been spared."

A fiery split developed within the court about creating an outcome which would provide hunters with the right social incentives: Do we want to incentivize efficient hunters by giving it to Pierson, or reward those who expended the first significant effort like Post? Mere pursuit isn't enough, but what about a mortal wound?

Pierson v. Post is a right of passage for law students everywhere. The court's adoption of the "law of capture" would go on to have widespread ramifications when it was later extended to deciding who owned oil reservoirs underneath adjoining lands.

actually wild that finders keepers is a real law

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think you are scummy for the following reasons;

VOTE: bell

look our votes rhyme

silly reason for voting

in theory scum!pooky could have been informed there was a miller and cleverly asked prism for a miller fake claim during pregame to orchestrate as well

wildly speculative - attempt to prejudice the jury pool

kinda hard not to feel like the pressure is intentional here because i said can’t competently play right now but eh

weird self defense claiming we're taking advantage of the fact you're on mobile instead of computer which is really ?? to me.

I did not consider the fact that you were on mobile at all and I doubt GuiltyLion did either

i still don’t really believe either of the miller claims for what it’s worth

i have trouble believing you believe this. do you think me and meuh are mafia together and we decided to troll and both claim miller right away because? like it's so wildly out of left field that it feels like refuge in audacity

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

2006 I can't believe my memory goes back that far

Damn, that fakeclaim is older than me

objection: making me feel old

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think i would be confused if elle was mafia because it seems like it immediately got flustered by the first iota of pressure and i dont think that it is like at that low threshold of "attention on me in game must try to defuse" with as much like. urgency. as it posted with here.

it's possible i guess everyone has off moments but the entire sequence is just weird to me

what does being flustered by pressure have to do with alignment

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

she has the same incentive to get rid of the pressure regardless of her alignment. nobody wants to get yeeted d1

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also i am not even sure a right answer exists? like what do you even mean by right answer here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so you're saying town!her would not know the right answer but scum!her would?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he doesn’t seem to care about exploring the content that could maybe help him parse a slot he often plays with and interacts with etc

this is a wild take because I can't remember cakez trying to parse me ever

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

stealing this pagetop from Catboiii

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you mean he hides from me because he knows if he talks to me for more than 5 minutes I will steal his soul

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have never seen cakez try to parse my alignment in my life

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

congrats big dawg

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he doesn’t seem to care about exploring the content that could maybe help him parse a slot he often plays with and interacts with etc

this is a wild take because I can't remember cakez trying to parse me ever

tbh he kind of had you in that one pyp game

i dont think he actually believed it ngl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Dunnstral do you want to be my paralegal and write up a summary of this Cakez/Ydrasse dumpster fire interaction

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I ain't paying much but you can put it on your CV that you were a summer intern at Pooky & Associates

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are these ghosts in the room with us

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

meuh scum clearly worried that the dynamic duo of stuffed animals are about to run roughshod over this game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

actually bell is a stuffed animal too I'm upgrading us to a full masonry

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I will miss you elle <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think town!you would be taking a stronger stance than just urging us to toss aside the claims for now ? I do agree that focusing on things other than that is probably helpful, but the last sentence of your post feels fake

I find myself generally agreeing with Meuh on this, wrt to Pooky just backing off on the person who CC'd them.

VOTE: pooky

explain this

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I want to hear what you think Town!Pooky would do

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

whether there are two millers in this game is up to prism not me so if I want to tunnel her for "being the same role as me" that's basically trying to outguess the mod and it's unlikely i get anywhere with that. I am not informed of her alignment,

"counter claiming into taking the stance that there will not be 2 millers, and voting pooky, seems like a recipe to getting pooky to constantly scum read you the entire game."

this is one of the things I thought, why would scum!meuh do that

hence I thought one of the reasons for scum!meuh doing this was a spur of the moment unplanned spontaneous thing, thats why I asked her for flavor, nicely at first and then with pressure in case she was scumlolcatting and didnt prepare.

I thought about her flavor claim, thought it didnt make much sense, then decided to drop it after she brought up the example pm because I could sort of see it as a flavor.

I decided to slot her as basic vt after that because outguess the mod is useless and read her on what she actually does.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea the point is i dont know

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea the point is i dont know

And I am trying to say that the way you went about sorting the question did not feel genuine.

I did not see a gut reaction scum read, and I did not see an analytical take on why she would do that as scum (You never voiced a reason to think she was town before the post you just made).

You just pushed back at her half heartedly when she pushed you, and then dropped it.

And that feels off to me.

And thinking about it from a scum POV, "tell me a flavor that makes sense as a miller" into "sure that flavor makes sense" into "pivoting away from the double miller claim" seems like a reasonable plan of action given the situation.

ok what else should I have done to sort her other than asking for her flavor

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I don't even consider "miller" to be a "counterclaim"

in my mind a counterclaim is when there's room for only one thing in a open setup or a closed setup that has plausible limits on power.

there can be any number of millers in a micro. two millers is not something that's impossible - it could be that there's only one miller and meuh is mafia. But I'm not going to sort her alignment based on her claim because her claim doesn't show me anything about her alignment.

Guessing whether there's two or one millers in this game is just trying to outguess Prism.

Guessing whether Meuh would fakeclaim miller immediately as mafia is just trying to outguess Meuh.

She is basically a claimed VT to me and if I think she's mafia it will be because of her play not her claim.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well first I wanted to play 20 questions with her where we give crumbs/hints about our flavor for fun and try to guess who each other were

then when she ignored me I thought she was being cagey because she didn't have flavor so I went to pressuring for an immediate flavor claim

then after that her claim was basically uninteresting to me as I have no idea what Prism's impression of their legal research and writing class is.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I kind of think scum!you would have a better entrance than this but you could be devious scum who fumbled their own entrance just to throw me off the scent

tho the risk/reward is pretty off.

I think I can read you if you actually do shit like hunt down bad guys but rn you feel like you're floundering

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Here, with Dunn's town read on catboi.

Spoiler:

Napkin thoughts: Millers town, catboi town, Bell town

why is catboi town?

@Dunn - I get that you like the post but you really believe that's sufficient for a townread? 177 and 179 reads as though you're POEing via your townreads and that feels kinda rote and simplistic. I don't think mafia is incapable of producing catboi's ISO so far

And then here with Ydra's town lean on my slot.

Spoiler:

the point is that i think she could like... dunno. i feel like mafia would be a little less all over the place about it and less overtly... intense? i don't know if that's the right word but maybe dealing with it head-on. it doesn't feel like the correct response as mafia to me.

I feel you that this reaction is a bit disproportionate and a lot of mafia would probably be playing it more cool here, but I also don't really know her that well and don't know what her scumrange is or what she's capable of. some people do like to smash the AtE button cause it's easier for them to sound genuine, especially if the suspicion isn't exactly 'fair' despite being correct

idk did you have any thoughts on the aforementioned phone point?

Neither of these come across to me, as GL trying to get a feel for Dunn or Ydra's alignments, or to see if they are swayed by their arguments, but more to weaken early town reads that they have forming, which feels like a weird town priority for page 11

VOTE: Guilty Lion

like I have trouble with this read and you believing it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I don't really get how you reread the game to here and came to that as the most noteworthy thing to push on

it feels like its been cherrypicked out of GL's iso to fit a specific narrative that is not actually even that convincing tbh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but if you're town I expect you to actually catch baddies Lukewarm <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I asked because you seemed very focused on convincing me that you are town. But you are also voting for me.

But I liked your response well enough.

like I don't really get how you reread the game to here and came to that as the most noteworthy thing to push on

it feels like its been cherrypicked out of GL's iso to fit a specific narrative that is not actually even that convincing tbh

What do you think is the most noteworthy thing to push on at this point, if not that?

I don't really feel like anyone has jumped out and claimed scum yet at this point, do you feel like I missed something?

I have bell and meuh as both likely town. Soft leaning town on Ydra.

I thought a lot about you, but the passion behind that scum read went away.

Cakez posts have largely felt like ones that I don't know how to sort one way or the other, although I did like his take on Ydra seeming informed (even if I am not sure I agree) as a reasonable suspicion that he could have in the moment that he voiced it.

Dunn and Catboi, I don't have either down as town, but did not see any particularly noteworthy reason to suspect them either.

And then there is my GL suspicion, so that is where my vote is.

Where should my vote be, if not there? what did I miss in my catch up?

what r u smoking i do not care about your read on me at all my goal is to figure out if you are mafia blowing smoke up my ass.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dunno where your vote should be

but you entering the thread voting one of your voters then another of your voters feels political and not really like you want to catch baddies

i thought about your reasoning for GL and i think its kind of weak sauce and its like you decided to vote him then figure out an excuse rather than the other way around.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like gls thoughts on catboi exactly mirror my own. so they make sense to me. i just dont bother to question dflors townread cuz i think its tactically bad.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you are kind of stroking my ego with the "think about you a lot line"

i appreciate that

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wild take wholly unfounded in reality

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

catboi I want to say is town but I'm worried he may be trying to pocket me so idk. Wouldn't vote rn but definitely not safe town

its me

i'm stuffing you into my pocket

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

maybe i'm being incredibly unfair, confbiased, and dumb but you feel way more like scum lukewarm who is on the backfoot in a crap spot and not town lukewarm aka PARAGON OF MAFIA HUNTERS who is here to KILL BADDIES AND TAKE NAMES

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you're town I suggest you find your inner mafia hunter soul and kill some baddies like today

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

UNVOTE:

I dunno I guess I just have a very high expectation for town!you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

page twenty time to find the baddies

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: dunnstral

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i heard dunnstral is alive if you're looking for a horse to beat

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the only person cakez can be mafia with is catboooooi

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

citation? I pulled that read out of my !@#

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Dunn is obvious scum

I believe in my cat

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ah, Pooky cult counter, numbers go up.

its ok Bell we're cartoon animal friend for life regardless of the color of our role pms

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

catching up tmrw ~

happy birthday ydrasse

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my cat uses too many words so i must use my editor priviledge to delete the unimportant ones.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

questioning Dflor's townread on Catboi introduces doubt into the overall opinion of Catboi's alignment

it's more tactically sound to just place absolute faith in him so mafia think everyone thinks catboi is town thus he gets nightkilled and if he doesn't get nightkilled we can talk about why that is like tomorrow or some shit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

or i guess you could pressure him and fight him or whatever that's always a fun time

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I also honestly think ydrasse's defense of elle comes across as informed if Luke is in fact town, but I've gotten pushback on that read and don't feel like fighting hard.

I believe in this read but I don't want to push ydra on her birthday

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

man where's cakeboi I want to fight with him over something stupid I miss doing that

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Cakez is perfectly able to be a clumsy misanthrope as either alignment. I know this because I’ve killed him when he’s been either and been confused.

Objection: Grossly Prejudicial Character Evidence

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Your honor nothing in that statement implies the guilt of the defense, there’s nothing to object to.

which is proof that the plaintiff is attempting to poison the jury pool with irrelevant information from my client's past that has no connection to the case at hand

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If you continue to defame my client with character assassination I will be forced to motion for a mistrial as well as report you to the state bar for review.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You called my client a "clumsy misanthrope" in front of the jury.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the jury is the player pool since we are voting on who gets executed

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It'd be nice if I knew the first thing about law. youtube videos are not helpful, or the ones I watch aren't terribly so.
Stages of trial and so on.
Been nice reading about some of the cases.
Though, I'm, not really sure how they caught the dude that lit that ship on fire. He could just deny it, unless there was some sort of alibi issue with the rest of the people on board. But it sounds slike some people died in that fire.

I binge watched 7 seasons of suits since this game went into signups

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I vaguely feel that Pooky has committed some sort of mega crime by not binging Law & order (which I only know by rep, I won't ever watch it) and instead did suits (which I also have not and will never watch) to prepare for this game.

I'm no boomer

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think you're developing reads more openly than you usually do on day one, I'd like to know why.

This is a court of law sir

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

man where's cakeboi I want to fight with him over something stupid I miss doing that

why'd you claim miller i can't do anything like this

is this tmiing that im town miller lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yes

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I also honestly think ydrasse's defense of elle comes across as informed if Luke is in fact town, but I've gotten pushback on that read and don't feel like fighting hard.

I believe in this read but I don't want to push ydra on her birthday

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok but she could also be just town and pushing her is not going to make her easier to read

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its the exact same thought i had about ydrasse so i agreed with it

i didnt say it because i didnt want to pressure her

i still dont want to pressure her

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im not even sure shes mafia why would i kill her

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea but not like to the level of i need to yeet this person now

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my cat does not know how to count to two

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

comparing PYP to this setup is wild because in a micro there is a set ceiling on town power so if a town power role that does not fit with tracker dies we know you're lying

in pyp there is no difference between scum tracker and town tracker

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

tho I do think luke is kind of townie for thinking it even if he's wildly off base

also still think Dunn is kinda scummy :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

As for the "regardless of alignment" thing - it's partly salty on my part, no way around it, but it's also a theory I have. I think when a town player is really overconfident and trying to aggressively steer the game, they're usually wrong and usually harmful. On self-reflection, that's where all my worst moments come from. I've witnessed other players run games into the ground by being ego-driven and steamrolling everyone who opposed them. I think GL is tipping close to that in terms of how he's handling me. (Luke also does this but like I can't really suggest policy killing him because I think he's probably town)

I'd like to introduce into evidence exhibit 1, an image of my client being attacked by a ferocious tiger while being completely unprepared - the content is quite graphic and viewer discretion is advised.

Spoiler: Tiger Attack

If my client were a member of the mafia he would not be strolling into the house completely unprepared for the dangers facing him.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I find it frustrating to be on the receiving end of this repeatedly.

this doesn't feel true given your prior two posts

like if you're actually frustrated is the first response really just "Lol"

objection: speculation about the defendant's state of mind.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

in context GL the last game Catboi played had players operating in these "silos" and they didn't bother to really work together and all thought they were "the shit" and it was an incredibly painful experience where he ended up losing as town so that's why he is annoyed at certain playstyles which could be heavyhanded etc.

Yes being more confident/forceful is useful as town in order to force issues, appear townie, and pull people to your side. Except if everyone does it and no1 listens to each other then you can have TvT conflicts make the game unplayable which is what he just experienced.

I don't think he meant to be offensive to you personally - he's just fed up with that playstyle.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you think catboi seems frustrated?

he's stated that he is, but that's not the feeling I actually get from his posts. they feel crafted and manipulative to me

he is frustrated but he'd be frustrated regardless of his alignment so it's not really relevant.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't think it's nearly that bad tbh I've gotten into some pretty nasty tvt fights with him in the past that are like way more intense than what went down so far.

I think it's just a game we play cuz we're bored and it's possibly fun sometimes - don't let it affect your mental too much and hope to see you back when you're in a better state.

I think catboi is in a more contemplative state of mind because he's thinking about how to change his approach to playing this game to make it fun for him again, so I am not really surprised he changed his style up to try to make it fun for him again.

I don't really have a read on him one way or the other but if I had to guess he'd be more likely town than not just because this style of play is pretty bad for thread control and also -ev.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky why do you think Catboi is feeding into that sort of Bell is "the shit" as if there is a player that is silo'd naturally I am the absolute archetypical example. If he's recently had a bad experience due to that attitude, shouldn't he be all over me?

I don't think he's feeding you anything that might just be your ego talking big dawg.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

He literally posted a snoopy image with a crown on it.
he described our conversation on Sircakez as hilarious when it was funny at best.
He left his will to me and was like "When I die Bell, Take Dunnstrall and all my shit, you got this"

bruh he posted a comic strip that doesn't make you king homie

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

bruh i'm just trying to have fun bullshitting with my friends and pretending to be a lawyer

i don't do deep psychoanalysis

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I literally just explained why

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lets say I have a friend "catboi"

and I enjoy shooting the shit with him and making him laugh and he makes me laugh.

now hypothetically we're in a mafia game together and he's being kind of friendly.

and i enjoy his company

do I then immediately go to "hmmm he's being a nice dude maybe he's scum who's trying to manipulate me by saying pleasant things"

like sure I could do that

and that introduces a negative impetus to him - so now he thinks in the future he should not be so friendly to me because i'll suspect that.

and then what

then he's not as nice to me in the future? what's the point of that.

It's just banter. It's nai. he's not more or less likely to be scum just because he's being nice to me. Reading into it is stupid

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Okay, so why didn't you say that when people criticized your approach to Meuh and instead got all technical?

i have no idea what the connection between these two things are

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I have already expressed the entirety of my thought process regarding whether to read into someone who i consider a friend being friendly to me in a game of mafia. I do not really understand how to explain it more clearly atp.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If you have like an actual reason to scumread Catboi I suggest you use one sentence to express it to me so that it's concise and easily understandable by someone of my limited attention span.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Okay, so why didn't you say that when people criticized your approach to Meuh and instead got all technical?

i have no idea what the connection between these two things are

You're being selectively ignorant. When people criticized your approach you had a defense and you ha it ready to go, you could have just said, "hey bro, I was just vibing with Meuh man don't overthink it"
instead you write 2 paragraphs of "over thought" which is just normal thinking.
But here you're refusing to seriously exam an significantly dumbing down your own perspective and relationship with someone you've been playing on and off with for years.

this is a lot of words but I don't understand what you're talking about still and I promise I'm not playing stupid it's just really difficult to understand your point.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You have opinions about how Petapan approaches players and how they try to win. I don't see why you're dismissing an entire category of manipulation, especially one that you're particularly good at.

do you know that petapan's scum game looks nothing like my scum game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean you've played against both of us surely you've noticed a difference right lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like, would his grasp on the game state be that bad? Because multiple players have expressed confusion on it and I'm confused because I too don't get it.
I don't know which Peta has a better grasp on game states, so that's why it came off as informed because everyone else *wasn't* where they were at, indicating they knew something the rest of us (Luke, Dunn, I), don't.

I think his grasp of the game state is fine tbh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

enjoy retirement homie

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he got too angry

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

catboi did not call them a tunneled n00b why r u such an instigator bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think the tilt is real but the problem with town reading people for being upset is that it incentivizes people to get upset to get town read which makes the game a devolving spiral of misery

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

which by the way is why i did not want to scumread catboi for being a nice dude to me earlier cuz like thats just asinine and makes the game less pleasant for absolutely no reason

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pookert bearington
why are you town

I'm mafia i'm gonna stomp all over this game then go to Prism's actual university on opening day and unleash a swarm of yellowjackets so he feels right at home.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am the Yellowjacket Swarmmaster Queen

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Bee Drone

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

which by the way is why i did not want to scumread catboi for being a nice dude to me earlier cuz like thats just asinine and makes the game less pleasant for absolutely no reason

You don't have to scum read them tho. I'd expect paranoia or at least consideration if their action was in good faith. Keeping the mood positive and light doesn't seem (to me at least) to require this sort of selectivity.

I treat people being nice to their friends as strictly nai

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you at least understand why I do this

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I've stopped caring about how I'm treated if I get limmed i get limmed its fine

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sup rh9

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

townreading people for negativity is ridiculous

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think the reckless way he dove into the game felt townie - i think when he's scum he's more measured and thinks about what he's doing more.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the only person cakez can be mafia with is catboooooi

i still kind of stand by this read and i guess i should explain it since he might actually get yeeted today.

so like cakez is not very good at interacting with people when he's mafia - he lacks confidence in himself to not slip his alignment and i find that he comes off as a bit stuttery and self conscious and falls back on hyperbole/nonsense when he needs to make shit up.

so when i saw him talk with ydrasse earlier in the game i thought that looks kind of like town cakez

the reason i say it could be cake/catboi is because catboi is the only person in the player list who would actually coach cakez through a convo like that/pump him up in the mafia PT to go go go.

now obviously this read isn't like the most solid piece of work I've done but I can't feel good about yeeting Cakez today.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

But you feel comfortable enough to put Ydra who has strongly implied she’s a PR?

Bell do you think ydra!scum would claim VT

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

2. @Pooky, I think in some circumstances she might. But that’s not really the thought I’m having.

I have never seen her claim VT as mafia so i just assume she'll make up something if she is mafia

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

tho I guess maybe she did at some point when i didnt notice

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Ydrasse

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why is catboi at prism's law school

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my flavor's catboi. this is why it was funnier before. i also did not want to claim because it's pretty easy now to narrow down what's left

why is catboi at prism's law school

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because they met like 238472893472389 years ago on epicmafia and they are a happy married mafia couple now

r u lolcatting

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean it is p funny but i dont believe it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i also did not want to claim because it's pretty easy now to narrow down what's left

this feels like enh? people mass claimed cuz thats what we did

one more vt claim doesnt change much tbh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: gl for posterity and good luck to the wolves who are going to look bad off of this when i flip i will be happily playing wow free from the stress of worrying if i need to post

why do you want to flip GL

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

r u two just mafia together lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i do care

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

doesnt seem like it

you cared more about the lawyer rp

the lawyer rp was more fun

i dont really get why you think im not trying

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

idk i dont really like his entire thing about cakez and the earlier defense of me just to end up on me after everything where it makes it feel like he prioritized getting out a claim rather than killing me because he really thinks im wolf

there were two viable wagons for GL to vote on

you and cakez

he wrote out why he didn't want to do Cakez after re-reading Eurybia. Do you think his analysis is more likely to come from Scum!him or factually inaccurate in some way?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

doesnt seem like it

you cared more about the lawyer rp

the lawyer rp was more fun

i dont really get why you think im not trying

i think that youre being lazy tbqh
and i dont think you really believe in my wagon
and tomorrow youre going to be like shrug lol etc

I don't really believe you are a slam dunk mafia flip

I just don't have any better ideas atp.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

doesnt seem like it

you cared more about the lawyer rp

the lawyer rp was more fun

i dont really get why you think im not trying

i think that youre being lazy tbqh
and i dont think you really believe in my wagon
and tomorrow youre going to be like shrug lol etc

I don't really believe you are a slam dunk mafia flip

I just don't have any better ideas atp.

do u think gl is town

yea

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you even townread me ydrasse

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you even townread me ydrasse

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

601 you say you are happy to claim
832 and 880 complete 180, say twice (in different ways but same meaning) that you only want to claim if you have to from pressure
893 suddenly wolves are making stuff up and you're just VT

it just seems really inconsistent too

you could always vote for her

if its wrong just blame me for being lazy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also if ydrasse is mafia i can 100% see her convince meuh to fake claim miller to troll me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Although, I am lowkey debating if I should just Hammer Ydra, so that we can move past day 1.

do it ill even give you a pagetop hammer Luke

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if this is wrong it's all lukewarm's fault no take backsies

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

shrug lol etc

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Haven’t even had the time to mourn Ydra and you’re chasing the next mislim
VOTE: Cakez

are we going to hold a memorial for ydrasse

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Page 41 only cat gifs

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dunny boy is it mass claim time

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we might as well get it over with atp no

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where has cakez scumread of GL gone

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

all these cats piling on cakez got me thinking is it really this easy or am I getting pantsed again

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think that mass claim is tomorrow personally.

if we miss today tommorrow is elo so how do you handle a counterclaim

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm alright with mass claiming. Luke should probably claim what they saw first to verify their role.

i think luke should claim last in case he catches someone in a lie

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont see why scum!luke would lie about finding someone going somewhere

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I see three worlds here:


Town!Luke saw someone going somewhere, mafia don't know what Luke saw, they have to claim their SPR with accuracy in order to mitigate counterclaim risk - something doesnt fit in the mass claim - we get somewhere.

Town!Luke didn't see anyone going anywhere and he's gambiting to force the mafia SPR if one exists to claim truthfully - smoking that player out.

Scum!Luke is blowing smoke up my ass - I dunno it feels significantly easier for him to just say he didn't find shit but I think in a mass claim we'd figure out if there's a 1v1 between Luke and some other TPR

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm ok with this claim order - any objections

4. Dunnstral
5. RH9 catboi
9. GuiltyLion

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I copied pasted it from the OP so you know it legit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you know what would be wild

if there's a scum tracker and town tracker and they targetted each other

as in luke thinks his target is protecting him but really his target is tracking him tracking his target

truly some law school shenanigans

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Luke tracked GuiltyLion who tracked Luke back I'm gonna call it now in case I'm right and pretend I never said this if I'm wrong

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i was just checking if you remembered

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i tots didnt forget

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky if we're both actually town this game and figured it out this early that would be crazyy

I'll just blame my cat if you're mafia idgaf I'm a master of passing the buck

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

THE LAST READ MY CAT GIFTED ME WAS TO TELL ME THAT CAKEBOI WAS TRUE TOWN AND IF ITS WRONG ILL JUST LOSE

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

luke you had one job

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm ready to yeet dunnstral

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean i'll let him claim first for completeness

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if scum have a tracker they want to know what luke saw

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

at least thats the only scum PR i can think of off the top of my head that makes sense

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

basically between Luke Cakez and Dunnstral there should be exactly one scum and my money is on dunnstral

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky why aren't you sus of Meuh

I am sus of meuh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

esp if dunnstral flips baddie

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I kind of believed Catboi's read of "meuh wouldn't gambit" except I can tots see Dunnstral telling meuh to gambit the shit out of this game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if scum have a tracker they want to know what luke saw

They could be a Beholder too.
In that they want to learn what Luke learnt.

I have literally never heard of a Beholder until now

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

okay so if Dunn flips scum she's next

hell yea

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i can't believe anything after i vigged a scum with their buddy helping ;_;

its ok those type of betrayals are once in a lifetime

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Because I'm seriously doubting Prism puts a Town Beholder in a micro with only two VTs.

r u telling on yourself homie

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

did RH9 just slip

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dude says there's only 2 VTs in the game and we have 2 dead VTs in the graveyard and he's a claimed VT

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

RH9 in panick mode

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and guiltylion didnt even claim yet

so the only way that sentence makes coherent sense is if the team is guiltylion + rh9 and they're both mafia and they think there's a bunch of PRs + Millers in the game and 2 dead VTs

which would also mean that Catboi and GuiltyLion decided to do some hard shit b4 he ragequit rofl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

rh9 where you at homie tell us what you mean

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ooooooooof

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i got flashbacks to that time RH9 replaced into PYP and ran away from petapan immediately

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm gonna sleep on it so ydrasse doesnt give me shit postgame for being a lazy washed up bum