Blitz 6: Normal! [Game Over]

[itlepip]

VOTE: kop

[itlepip]

Pip, why are you voting a non-cc-ed kop?

didn't pisskop cc?

[itlepip]

screw it, let's just lynch soren here
VOTE: Soren

[itlepip]

Saying that your play was what you thought was normal and therefore not suspicious I find very suspicious.

[itlepip]

Dear god I feel like I want 2 votes now

You have 2 with yakko sheeping you...
Was that vote in or out of RVS, cause I have no idea.

[itlepip]

Growls at phone.

My vote is serious.

My second quote was to yakko

Okay, explain it then.

[itlepip]

Dear god I feel like I want 2 votes now

You have 2 with yakko sheeping you...
Was that vote in or out of RVS, cause I have no idea.

You sound disgusted? Maybe I'm reading that wrong. Any particular reason you pointed it out but made zero attempts to figure out why I was sheeping? I like my vote more now.

i was still in RVS, that was just a comment supposed to be taken lightly. It wasn't meant to be personnel.

Also how would I be able this early in the game to give an explanation of your sheeping, most likely it was just a joking RVS sheep, but if my vote was serious than an RVS vote is bad. You could be scum trying a sheeping strategy early but there isn't much evidence for that. There also could be some scum thing I did early that you guys are reacting to, but I have absolutely no idea what it is.

[itlepip]

Saying that your play was what you thought was normal and therefore not suspicious I find very suspicious.

This doesn't come off as a joke first off.
Second it really reads awkward as far as comment go.

Are you saying that once someone makes a post that isn't a joke they are banned from RVS and can no longer make joke posts?
Also since when is being awkward scummy?

[itlepip]

Saying that your play was what you thought was normal and therefore not suspicious I find very suspicious.

This doesn't come off as a joke first off.
Second it really reads awkward as far as comment go.

Are you saying that once someone makes a post that isn't a joke they are banned from RVS and can no longer make joke posts?
Also since when is being awkward scummy?

:lol: :lol:

Seriously???

Making a post that gives an impression that you are not sure what to say and are finding things hard to say means that you are being disingenuous.
Now explain how that should read town.

I think being serious and trying to be cute in the way you went about it was trying to defuse a wagon on you.

I have played this game enough to not be worried by 2 vote wagon.

Pedit: that was a lot of loops to give someone a town read for saying sure....

[itlepip]

Yeah far sides is town I think.

UNVOTE: Soren

Why did you unvote soren if farsides is town?

I will agree with the town read because of the AtE.

[itlepip]

Yeah far sides is town I think.

UNVOTE: Soren

Why did you unvote soren if farsides is town?

I will agree with the town read because of the AtE.

Dude do you even know what you are talking about?

I think so, I don't think you would say you hate me if you were scum there. Still not happy that you did, but I think it is more likely to come from town.

[itlepip]

Sup farside.

Do you want to make an argument as to why I should vote itlepip?

Hey I said he was awkward and so far he just buddies me after the fact.
You see that as town, let me know why.

I feel like you are really overestimating how much pressure 2 votes are.

[itlepip]

eh, I did some Yakko meta stuff. His scum game seems to be mostly lurking, so he gets some little town points for actually posting. I couldn't find any time where he randomly got really pissed at people early, so I think that is either a gimmick or whatever, but NAI.

[itlepip]

eh, I did some Yakko meta stuff. His scum game seems to be mostly lurking, so he gets some little town points for actually posting. I couldn't find any time where he randomly got really pissed at people early, so I think that is either a gimmick or whatever, but NAI.

you going to answer my question?

I thought I did, I thought that saying that she hates me is something that she probably wouldn't do there as scum.

[itlepip]

eh, I did some Yakko meta stuff. His scum game seems to be mostly lurking, so he gets some little town points for actually posting. I couldn't find any time where he randomly got really pissed at people early, so I think that is either a gimmick or whatever, but NAI.

you going to answer my question?

I thought I did, I thought that saying that she hates me is something that she probably wouldn't do there as scum.

why

gut

[itlepip]

eh, I did some Yakko meta stuff. His scum game seems to be mostly lurking, so he gets some little town points for actually posting. I couldn't find any time where he randomly got really pissed at people early, so I think that is either a gimmick or whatever, but NAI.

you going to answer my question?

I thought I did, I thought that saying that she hates me is something that she probably wouldn't do there as scum.

why

gut

you're townreading her for doing something she wouldn't do as scum but in the end it all comes down to gut? Why even give a reason at all? Why not just outright say it was a gut read?

99% of reads come from gut. All AtE reads are gut based, so you saying that my read was actually just a gut read is meaningless.

[itlepip]

What are you talking about, there is no empirical evidence in the game right now, everything is subjective, anyone that says that they have a read that is objective at this point in the game is lying and should be lynched, I have no idea what you are doing but I'm getting pretty to dropping a vote on you for playing this dumb semantics game, gah this game is getting annoying.

[itlepip]

What are you talking about, there is no empirical evidence in the game right now, everything is subjective, anyone that says that they have a read that is objective at this point in the game is lying and should be lynched, I have no idea what you are doing but I'm getting pretty to dropping a vote on you for playing this dumb semantics game, gah this game is getting annoying.

not saying reads that aren't gut are objective, they are formed with reason, which gut lacks. Now how long are you going to avoid the fucking question? :lol:

Okay, sure wtf it was a gut read, I really don't care any more.

[itlepip]

Nice face. Are you going anywhere with that (exchange with itlepip) Nosferatu?

I was probably going to vote him because he lied about why he read farside as town. But I wanted him to say it~

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Also going back to that thing, based on the stats, the majority of d1 lynches are marginally better than a random lynch. So this whole 'your read is crap because it is gut, if everyone else only had gut reads scum would always win' is complete horse since nearly all early reads are crap.

VOTE: Nosferatu

[itlepip]

Nice face. Are you going anywhere with that (exchange with itlepip) Nosferatu?

I was probably going to vote him because he lied about why he read farside as town. But I wanted him to say it~

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Also going back to that thing, based on the stats, the majority of d1 lynches are marginally better than a random lynch. So this whole 'your read is crap because it is gut, if everyone else only had gut reads scum would always win' is complete horse since nearly all early reads are crap.

VOTE: Nosferatu

my god you savage, can you comprehend human language? I literally said nothing about the quality of your read. I honestly have no idea what you're prattling on about, but for god's sake, how hard is it to answer a god damned question?

not sure if you're stupid town not paying attention or stupid scum avoiding an incriminating answer tbh

Hate to be an ass, but isnt either or a hindrance on the winning side? Given that it is first day and little normally comes from its lynch 9/10 (beneficial), wouldn't this read be a clear indication of either cleaning up clutter or taking down scum? Otherwise, it may still be null. What are your thoughts?

okay, I'm kinda done with this game anyway
VOTE: itlepip

[itlepip]

Dang it, how did you figure me out.

You are a

Vanilla Idiot

.

Abilities

• During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.
• During the Night, you may sleep.
• Once outed every three posts must be logically fallacious or you will be mod killed

Win Condition

• You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive.

If you have any questions, feel free to PM me. Please confirm your participation in this game by responding to this PM with your role name. The game thread is here.

Honestly I am surprised I didn't get lynched there, w/e.
212 doesn't make any sense, but I am not sure how it is scum indicative.

Nos is making more random semantics arguments, but I would be lying if I said that I am not really biased towards seeing her lynched. I will say however that she seems to be more focused on finding small things she can catch people on more so than assessing people's argument, which allows her to look like she is scumhunting without ever actually finding scum.

[itlepip]

[3] LoHa ~ farside22, Soren, TheLhix

If scum is on me it's either Titus or TheLhix or both.

So all you are saying here is that farside and soren are town. Why do you think they are town and why did you phrase your read that way?

Also
VOTE: LoHa

[itlepip]

[3] LoHa ~ farside22, Soren, TheLhix

If scum is on me it's either Titus or TheLhix or both.

So all you are saying here is that farside and soren are town. Why do you think they are town and why did you phrase your read that way?

Also
VOTE: LoHa

vote: pip

WEAK!

You liked my self vote a lot then.

[itlepip]

I've read the thread and

can't recall a single alignment indicative argument

, so we're still in-between RVS and what comes next.

Pip's interactions don't seem forced or otherwise scummy to me and anyone exaggerating the alignment indication of the selfvote looks fishy.

If theLhix is scum his talkative style will reveal a scumslip sooner or later. Same for gung-ho farside.

VOTE: Titus

Soren, why did you get lynched on day1 3x?

This is pretty lazy and weird.
First you say you don't recall anything alignment indicative about the arguments.
Then you defend pip (which means you do see something alignment indicative) about him.
Why the vote on Titus?

Nope. I said

nobody vocalized any alignment indicative arguments

, which is not contradictory to Soren saying pip's self-vote was scummy being fishy.

You add the qualifier 'vocalized' here. I don't understand how those sentences (bolded) are different. I'm saying that whole sentence seems unnecessary as it looks like you are simply attempting to say farside is wrong and coming up with a justification that makes no sense. From my perspective you simply added the word vocalized and pretended it changed the meaning of sentence? Would you mind explaining it differently. As I don't see what you're talking about.

It's not different.

What are you talking about? Are you for real?

I just found your comment about the arguments vague.
You really have no right to smurf on other players arguments and then OMGUS when players vote you.

And that is the nicest way I can put it.

In other news I'm voting pip because he took the weakest point to bw vote Loha.

I never said that I was voting LoHa for that one post, which is why I said also... But for me that post is the one I want clarified the most.

[itlepip]

The vote from pip. Opportunistic as fuck. I like it even more now. Go ahead and hang him.

I 100% accept this, but it doesn't mean that LoHa isn't scum.

[itlepip]

TLDR: Titus is a god and you should just give in and follow whatever she says, because if she is town we will win and if she is scum the game is already over...

Dangit, I was liking Titus's defense of me :(.

Also not a fan of pisskops pings that seem to just be following the aqua-farside-yakko groupthink.

[itlepip]

Neat.

Im finding myself agreeignw wrt Pip

Pip or laho >= titus

I could go on ether Titus

In my iso of you these seem to be the only 'reads' that you have, which both were the general consensus of reads at that point, where are these differing opinions you are talking about.

[itlepip]

The above about itlepip aside, I'm seeing much more throwing suspicion than looking for information in his posts so far (see #57 and #69 in particular).

Also this post:

Saying that your play was what you thought was normal and therefore not suspicious I find very suspicious.

This doesn't come off as a joke first off.
Second it really reads awkward as far as comment go.

Are you saying that once someone makes a post that isn't a joke they are banned from RVS and can no longer make joke posts?
Also since when is being awkward scummy?

reads as pretty defensive and concerned for somebody who keeps saying they are not worried by a 2-vote wagon.

UNVOTE: Soren
VOTE: itlepip

Not being worried about a 2-vote wagon doesn't mean you don't clarify reads on that wagon. Also the only difference is the titus read, and I meant that as the general consensus of the generally non-sus players, which would include yakko.

[itlepip]

...
Not being worried about a 2-vote wagon doesn't mean you don't clarify reads on that wagon. Also the only difference is the titus read, and I meant that as the general consensus of the generally non-sus players, which would include yakko.

You're replying to it now, but why didn't you reply to it at the time?

cause there was about 80 posts I didn't respond to, and as you can see I didn't think my answer would really contribute to anything.

[itlepip]

Because making accusations about posts is how you get out of RVS. Obviously the game took a different turn and I never felt the need the readdress that awkward point.

[itlepip]

162 seems like town frustration, not a fan of his null read strat though.

The voting thing that Nos was going on about doesn't make much sense, that is NAI to me.

His recent thing with aqua still feels slightly towny, but it is not a hard read.

[itlepip]

wtf if ITP?

[itlepip]

TLDR: Titus is a god and you should just give in and follow whatever she says, because if she is town we will win and if she is scum the game is already over...

Dangit, I was liking Titus's defense of me :(.

Also not a fan of pisskops pings that seem to just be following the aqua-farside-yakko groupthink.

ITP pip buddying with titus

I have already been pocketed by Titus, not sure how much me buddying titus is going to do.

[itlepip]

You're starting from the right point, but seeing the word thing. Look at the word choice. Farside says lazy and weird, not scummy and provides an opportunity to explain. Town might use this to investigate but it functions even better to determine if she can or cannot get on the wagon. If it doesn't catch on, she just takes the position on her buddy being weird.If it catches on, she busses. A town likely votes Loha at 191.

Second, why are you focusing more on Farside when I am pushing for Loha lynch?

If you have built this whole case on why Farside is scum, why are you not trying to start a farside wagon?

[itlepip]

</3

Still down with an itlepip lynch at this stage. He still hasn't done much useful, I still don't see towny motivation behind those early posts, and I won't be very sorry if it turns out the martyring, self-voting player is a mislynch. I'd be much sorrier if we went for Lhix or Titus and they flipped town.

VOTE: itlepip

I want LoHa to talk some more.

You are aware that Mala and Kop together have 8 total posts here? Going for a policy lynch of me doesn't make any sense.

[itlepip]

Scummy self vote there itlepip. What's the vote count?

Just read through the whole thread and was going to vote for TheLhix because of the interaction with yaako. Want to see an official vc first though.

</3

Still down with an itlepip lynch at this stage. He still hasn't done much useful, I still don't see towny motivation behind those early posts, and I won't be very sorry if it turns out the martyring, self-voting player is a mislynch. I'd be much sorrier if we went for Lhix or Titus and they flipped town.

VOTE: itlepip

I want LoHa to talk some more.

You are aware that Mala and Kop together have 8 total posts here? Going for a policy lynch of me doesn't make any sense.

Pip: who are your scum reads?

Honestly I kinda feel that this game is being dominated by town, and scum is just slipping through the cracks a lot. So people like Pignash, Kop and Nos who have disappeared or not given much of what they are thinking are my top scum reads right now. I still have significant qualms with some of what LoHa has said, and since he still hasn't addressed my question I am going to keeping that vote on him. I don't see Lhx or Titus as scum here since lhx's posts seem to have town frustration and I think a scum Titus may have dropped 1-2 posts about how I may be town before I got lynched, but wouldn't have gone on such a different line of thinking from the rest. You and farside are also probably town honestly for you wobblings between me and Loha. Yakko and pisskop and who ever I have forgotten are null-town lean. (I trust the Mala lurking being NAI read).

[itlepip]

In the meantime, everyone should explain their votes for LoHa. There's one vote based on LoHa misremembering who said something (Soren), one vote based on an argument that's already been shot down in flames (Titus), one blatant self-preservation vote (itlepip), and three with no explanation at all (TheLhix, Pisskop, Yakko). Whichever of you are townies should be ashamed of yourselves.

I'm not.

[itlepip]

So can mod modkill him for playing against his wincon and not selfvoting?

Oh shoot, 1 + 1 = 3. I think that covers my role. Also someone hammer please.

[itlepip]

I'm leaning more toward soren anyways.

Is your soren read independent of whether or not loha flips scum?

[itlepip]

If Titus is conf town if lola flips scum and people think Loha is scum, why would we switch to Titus? If you guys are right and Titus is scum, then since you guys are cutting it so short to the wire if anyone listed is scum they would just not show up for the vote on Titus and we would have no lynch day 1. Soren there are some advantages so, but I don't support moving to a Titus wagon. Honestly I don't support moving the wagon at all.

[itlepip]

For the third point the biggie is that if someone has that sort of connection between two players, it is better to lynch a third party then the one in the connection that doesn't provide information to the other. If Titus flips either way, no one is implicated, which isn't true for Loha.

[itlepip]

Also Soren and Titus aren't here, so a wagon on them right now is super scummy cause they can't claim. Aqua, just lynch.

[itlepip]

It's okay you are pretty much scum regardless of what you say right now ^_^

You think the Titus Lhx interactions were S v S? Some examples please.

[itlepip]

Also Soren and Titus aren't here, so a wagon on them right now is super scummy cause they can't claim. Aqua, just lynch.

I doubt Soren's coming back before deadline but based on previous activity it's plausible Titus might.

Are you really going to start a wagon when it is 'plausible' that the person might actually come back in time to claim? And then you have to have enough time to go back to the first wagon with all your wagonettes (wait that is an actual word) before 2 hours are up. Just vote LoHa already and stop playing these games.

[itlepip]

If loha flips scum I'm after an aqua lynch.

If Loha doesn't flip I'm after an aqua lynch/

[itlepip]

WTFFfffffff

[itlepip]

Titus: I always have been townreading her: I don't think nos and titus are scum together.

you literally said "I'll vote when im back".

(In third. Skipping fourth) Did I say who? You are getting needlessly defensive.

Ok, let's say you weren't talking about me. Others mentioned are [Yokka, pip]. Oh, wait, I don't see LoHa in there! Point still stands.

I think some vote pressure on LoHa is healthy as incentive for him to scumhunt. Don't see him as scum.

Aqua, Loha had fewer posts than me. He was lurking and prod dodging. He voted me after I suggested a counter to ipip. He provides no reason.

He was chainsawing to get ipip lynched. Pretty obvious to me. Ipip then voting Loha sealed that.


Ding, Nostaferu just coached Loha.

Lhix, could be scum, but I almost feel like he was sheeping Nos too hard for them to be likely partners. Last one could a slip though so I probably won't try and stop a lynch on him.

Before I go for class: I am halting on voting because that is a big play to make for someone leaving for several hours. I chose pip only because I was following Nos logic and was extra wary of pip. I still am given he could be drawing a lot of attention to himself and detracting. Yokka has continued my wary of minor levels as he has continued playing the same song. Nos is overly aggressive. I'll vote when im back

Vote: Aquanim

You're going to explain this, right?

Because I am super scum

This isn't the time for jokes any more. Do you have a reason to think I am scum?

Truth be told. When you asked me to sheep you against nos, and then the Yokka-Aqua scenario played out where he instantly countered didn't sit right with me. I figured it was trying to bait my own votes out according to your wish regardless, and the way Yokka and you keep going round and round after each pressuring encounter you pull seems very systematic.

Finished reading up, LaHo is probably scum, don't necessarily see Titus's reasons for it.

pip looks a lot better.

not liking lhix; I'm having trouble reading his sudden mood swings, feels like I'm listening to a girl on her period

idk how I feel about Titus v Farside looks kind of TvT to me

would like for mala pig and kop to post more

Aqua and Yakko read town to me.

I thought we had something special

Both pisskop and soren had 0 interaction with nos, and a little bit of bussing on loha. Both of them are my top scum reads right now.

Mala has a little more content but still is low down on the list right now.

Kop gut is a little townier but with 6 posts I can't tell.

Yakko has had some interaction with Nos which because 4 people haven't is already a huge boon. Honestly 591 reads town for me, I don't think scum would try a last second save on their partner like that.

Farside I am not in favor of lynching, but I can't really tell what alignment

Aqua was town until that weird bodyguard play, and now is still probably town.

[itlepip]

yakkos begging for a pl, titus is too

you are begging for a policy for not posting and then giving this crap. Where is this coming from?

[itlepip]

In other news, a Vigilante claim would give me peace of mind that we're not facing an SK but I'm not sure my peace of mind is worth having the role in the open, especially if it has another shot. Use your own judgement.

I doubt SK would claim, since there easily could be an investigative role to confirm whether he is SK or vigi. I support vigi claiming tomorrow. (Also I think the nos kill was pretty pro-town, so odds balance in town's favor).

[itlepip]

Aqua, could you please explain at the time your reasoning for claiming bodyguard there was? I don't see any scum reasons for doing it, but I also don't see any town reasons for doing it so I'm still really confused by it.

[itlepip]

with 13p in a normal i feel dumb for that.

no cc, shes town.

Aqui
farside

itle

Id like to see a wagon on titus or soren mostly

What is this post trying to say.

[itlepip]

Titus's quote in her sig is my exact thought about the game right now.

Yeah, I am having this for the last 2 pages, I don't understand really what Titus or pisskop is getting at, so

[itlepip]

@Lhix/Soren, who do you think is scum?

I am down for voting say of the three in my pool but only those three.

I've explained my reasoning for Mala
My next is undecided. Though I am wary of Aqua and Soren, Soren because he has done much of the similar shit I called Mala on. Aqua not as much, given that he seems to be trying to lead town.

I think aqua is town here just from quality of posts. The whole wagon and claiming thing was awkward which I take as scummy, but that amazing d2 block makes him towny for me. I am fine with a lynch on either Mala or Soren.

PEdit: VOTE: Soren I think this wagon is perfectly valid.

[itlepip]

My plan for what?

Do you have anything to say on how we should get rid of the scumreads

kill them with fire.

[itlepip]

awqua is town, leave him alone too

What is wrong with getting town to give reads?

Also you are one of the top scumreads and your contribution is to lay off aqua?

[itlepip]

Soren do you have any reads outside your wagon is dumb?

[itlepip]

I still am not convinced that Yakko is vig and not SK. I'm worried that the shot was to be able to shoot right before lylo and win as SK. Right now I'm in favor of lynching Yakko today for safety and then probably mala and kop.

VOTE: Yakko

[itlepip]

I don't believe a bodyguard and a pair of masons against three scum and an SK is balanced by the standards of this site.

(Note: If there is another PR out there, you should claim now.)

I feel like it is closer to being balanced then a BG, two masons and a vig against 3 scum. One possibility is we don't actually have a BG, Aqua, who did you target n2 again?

[itlepip]

@LoHa

: From one Teamliquid expatriate to another... this forum operates much less on ego-boosting and shit-flinging arguments. (Mostly.) Getting a feel for the different meta here is very important. (Same goes for Lhix on that score, actually.)

And yes Titus, your read is being "discredited" because, quite simply, it is worth no credit. Right or wrong, it was terrible.

To repeat myself again: agreeing with you that not much has happened in the thread is NOT a reason he should townread you. Scum frequently make accurate statements.

@LoHa

: From one Teamliquid expatriate to another... this forum operates much less on ego-boosting and shit-flinging arguments. (Mostly.) Getting a feel for the different meta here is very important. (Same goes for Lhix on that score, actually.)

And yes Titus, your read is being "discredited" because, quite simply, it is worth no credit. Right or wrong, it was terrible.

To repeat myself again: agreeing with you that not much has happened in the thread is NOT a reason he should townread you. Scum frequently make accurate statements.

He shouldn't vote someone whom the only thing he says is he agrees with me. That's the issue. It's a scumclaim. You're placing a strawman.

I don't see why. My opinion is that you had done very little to advance the thread at that point. If you're aware that it's a problem, but have done next-to-nothing about it, that's pretty scummy.

Actually, that reads even more weighted against town than the corresponding C9++ setup. Then again, if the last scum is also a Goon then they don't have the corresponding Roleblocker either, which I think moves it back closer to even.

I'll buy this unless someone more experienced disagrees.

[itlepip]

I don't believe a bodyguard and a pair of masons against three scum and an SK is balanced by the standards of this site.

(Note: If there is another PR out there, you should claim now.)

This is more balanced.
Also pip's recent comment leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Why? This is the only game where I have had to deal with how the game is balanced, I have thoughts on the matter but I can't make a definite claim on whether we have an a balanced game with all the current claims.

[itlepip]

Kop really hasn't posted any reads this entire game, he said a little on meta for vigi claiming, a little bit on day 1 bussing and thats it. I would say kop but I see both getting lynched here.

[itlepip]

Oh I should have mentioned that I only had two bullets.

If you only had 2 bullets why didn't you claim before shooting?

Also back to the balance question what if we are in a world of 2 mafia and a SK versus a BG and 2 masons?

[itlepip]

Who cares about that nonsense? Trying to make us think about game mechanics instead of the game. Pip who is scum answer.

In this case it is important, I was wrong I realize, but talking about whether or not you are a lynch target is really important, and you being defensive about this accomplishes nothing. We know who are scummy, but neither Mala nor Kop are really talking, so there isn't much to do.

[itlepip]

Eh, I guess. I think I made a reference to me being vig let me go find it.

This still doesn't prove anything, SK knows they are going to claim vigi.

[itlepip]

What will convince you? I'm assuming nothing at this point. Talking to you is not productive if all you're gonna do is whine.

Why did you not claim yesterday if you only have 2 shots?

[itlepip]

I wanted to shoot someone and didn't want to be told not to shoot anyone.

lol, I believe this.

[itlepip]

VOTE: Mala besides Kop who else do you think might be scum here?

Also this is l-1.

[itlepip]

TheLynx, can you give me a link or run down to why you think Mala is scum?

1. Lower activity
2. Extreme defensive nature throughout entire game
3. Not following the wagons for LaHo
4. Seeing the Titus and Nos flip like they did
5. referencing her death as a sacrifice for going against someone now flipped as town
6. Her lack of help in progressing the game

1. Null
2. Very null.
3. Super null.
4. Because I'm town so how the hell would I know what they would flip prior?? So confirmation bias.
5. When did I ever say this....?
6. Null.

When people say self-meta is scummy, this is what they are referring to.

[itlepip]

woo, my entire game shifted completely due to 1 post. That was fun

[itlepip]

GG

that mala lynch should of never happened

...yeah, pretty much

Titus, something for you to remember: when you wanted to lynch

LoHa

there was interest and eventually it happened, even if many of us didn't like your case in particular. When you wanted to lynch

Farside

,

myself

,

Yakko

and

Pisskop

nobody was interested.

Moral of the story - there's more than one reason for people to disagree with you, and it's not always that they are awful or scum.

(Second moral of the story - when your entire mindset appears to be built around OMGUS you don't get taken seriously.)

Wow. Did I say everyone who disagreed was horrible or scum? That's belittling.

Masons register as false positives to me. The reason is there was a townread that was not based in evidence. That's true of scum.

Yako registered as a false positive because he was killing people and sensitive about it. That vig on me was horrible.

Pisskop was attacking obvious town, which only served scum.

Aqua was attempting to wagon town while knowing we wagoned scum. That's lynchworthy.

Town got really lucky here. I was wrong, but seriously I have zero idea how town won this.

It's not titus fault her reads where only right about one player.
It is everyone elses fault for not following blindly and trying to play there own game. :lol: :lol:

hey, the chainsaw on me worked, so she got 2 reads right :P