Queen of Hearts [Game Over]

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sup bitches

VOTE: DGB

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oh right Katsuki is in this game

VOTE: Katsuki

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i have lots of town reads, considering how early in the game it is

would anyone be up for policy lynching cupcake?

I've already started tyvm

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look

some of us are trying to policy lynch Katsuki here

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ur mom seems like a bad idea

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the game is pretty much blather and I have no reads yet

this is a thing I do every game I play with Katsuki so don't worry I'm not actually serious

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Okay, I think you are slightly scum-aligned for this..

next you'll be telling me I'm slightly pregnant

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the game is pretty much blather and I have no reads yet

You complain that there is no content. Yet you provide no content yourself.

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

VOTE: iraonavp

No longer RVS

All of your past votes were RVS?

Yes.

it's by definition not RVS if you provide reasoning for it.

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I post in the order I read. so I see Harkonnen has walked back his RVS claims

very well then!

vote Harkonnen

glad we actually have something

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iraonavp is obvscum.

why?

my read on you is pretty weak so I'm willing to hear you out

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hark is kind of transparently town beneath the offputting surface, and it feels like UT is taking advantage of that instead of bothering to look at it more closely as I would expect from him as town. (as in, sounds bad, but why would scum act like this at the very start)

...how am I taking advantage of that when I literally just asked him to talk me through his read on someone

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doubt any response was going to change your "read". and the actual point you're working around is that I doubt hark as scum would put himself at the forefront of activity+suspicion, which is something that I think you're purposefully ignoring.

Being active and trying to put effort isn't a good reason to townread someone.

unvote

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hark is kind of transparently town beneath the offputting surface, and it feels like UT is taking advantage of that instead of bothering to look at it more closely as I would expect from him as town. (as in, sounds bad, but why would scum act like this at the very start)

...how am I taking advantage of that when I literally just asked him to talk me through his read on someone

i doubt any response was going to change your "read". and the actual point you're working around is that I doubt hark as scum would put himself at the forefront of activity+suspicion, which is something that I think you're purposefully ignoring.

considering that saying "tell me more" is the literal opposite of what you're suggesting that I'm doing, this response is just word vomit

but my memory of you is that our playstyles are oil and water so I guess it shouldn't shock me that I'm baffled by your responses

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I think scumhunting (what I understand as putting in effort) is a pretty good reason to townread someone at this stage in the game. That's not the same as activity, though.

I get that you were prodding, but what are your thoughts on Vedith and Grapes, now that you've moved your votes off them?

idk
It's not just you, I can't remember a game I've played that I didn't get wagoned in (other then my one IC game)

I'm just naturally scummy I suppose.

(my bold)

This kind of annoys me. Is there something about your play which you think people interpret as scummy?

@CKD - What is it about grapes which makes you think they're scummy?

BOOP BOOP BOOP SCUM ALERT

vote Froot Loop

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doubt any response was going to change your "read". and the actual point you're working around is that I doubt hark as scum would put himself at the forefront of activity+suspicion, which is something that I think you're purposefully ignoring.

Being active and trying to put effort isn't a good reason to townread someone.

unvote

How is that a town-aligned post?

It made me think he was less town-aligned, because he is questioning a town-aligned read on himself...

I think that you are scum-aligned because this seems too theatrical, if you were town-aligned I expect you would just vote someone else or say why your opinion changed rather than unvoting silently.

I think he's being extremely transparent with his reasoning and is pushing against people calling him town for what he considers bad reasons

that's enough for me at this stage in the game

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So the post you quoted didn't have any relevance because he wasn't really doing that...

And he was always doing this, even while you were voting him! So this seems to me like a fake reason that you just made up now instead of explaining how his post questioning the town-aligned read on him was town-aligned...

dude, I'm not going to quote every single post someone has made to reference an obvious recent trajectory

read the thread for context

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Okay, I guess grapes is literally hiplop then so we can't tell with him at all...

Untrod Tripod's unvote was in conjunction with Marquis' post about how 132 made Harkonnen97 town-aligned, but Untrod Tripod didn't know how to explain it and just used it as an excuse.

Then, when I asked Untrod Tripod about how his response made no sense at all, he just acted confused, which is a scum-aligned response trying to escape his obviously fake read...

that is such horseshit

just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't make sense

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regardless of your alignment, rather than just telling you (truthfully) that you're being an idiot I'm going to at least walk you through how someone might have a different playstyle than you

In the early game, RVS and dumb wagon stage of D1, I tend to look for people who approach the early stages in an awkward way. I've found that more often than not, scum have a tell-tale awkwardness to their early play. Hark's early play looked like it might be textbook newbscum overanalysis. However upon him talking through his thought process I rethought that read. I unvoted him when I became sufficiently convinced that it was newbtown rather than newbscum awkwardness. I quoted the last post in a trajectory of posts. Getting upset about that not fitting into your worldview is dumb because rather than me not approaching the game LIKE YOU you should be looking for me NOT TRYING TO SCUMHUNT. This is the sort of thing I do early and it tends to work out pretty well for me.

Froot Loop's post that I quoted looked extremely awkward to me and extremely scummy because it looks like he's just trying to appear active and asking "probing" questions without actually contributing anything to the game. It looked hella scummy to me. So I voted him.

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Not everyone is going to talk you through every single little thing they think. As people get more experienced at this game we tend to broad-stroke it more. Get used to it or you'll spend a lot of time tilting at town windmills.

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Are things happening?

rtft it's only like 8 pages.

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Are things happening?

rtft it's only like 8 pages.

Yeah but half of it is about how cakez is scum

... Again

For the 100th game in a row

lol. the game didn't really kick into gear until I sweepingly called all that bullshit and people voted me for not showing my work on my scumreads.

it's really been a thrill-a-minute

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Okay, I understand.

VOTE: Seraphim

huh. well I'm glad it made sense to you. I don't like just saying "ur dumb" to people who seemingly just are encountering a playstyle difference.

why the Seraphim vote?

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Sorry. Obviously the gender thing wasn't on purpose.

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Are things happening?

rtft it's only like 8 pages.

Yeah but half of it is about how cakez is scum

... Again

For the 100th game in a row

lol. the game didn't really kick into gear until I sweepingly called all that bullshit and people voted me for not showing my work on my scumreads.

it's really been a thrill-a-minute

man you think highly of yourself.

is that why I am voting you?

could be

to both statements

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UT what's your Seraphim read?

shrug

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I feel like this is a playstyle thing as well. You said I haven't contributed to the game but I've commented on and questioned things which I think have been relevant. If something's not clear about what I've said, or you think I should be saying it in a different way, that's not AI.

bullshit. I've been very clear that I was talking about the one post I was quoting.

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I think it's a bit too early in the game for the beetlejuice tell

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someone who has experience in this game like UT, would not have voted THAT post (Froot) over other actual scummy things in this games. The post was newbie-ish at best. it looked like low hanging fruit.

sometimes it's low hanging fruit because it's just obvious

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UT is just cranky

I'm never "just" cranky

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"terrible plays"

I voted someone who I think is scum. Sue me.

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that's such a bad vote that I can't imagine it possibly coming from scum unless your goal was to vote for something that won't gain traction

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Also, forgot this:

thenewearth, given Hark's precedent on like one of the first posts of the game, why did you not claim doublevoter?

The wagon you're on also has two people on it? Why are you so sure it won't gain traction and that yours will?

I am unsure how to parse your post except to question my intelligence in whichever case I can only shrug and wait to see what other players think.

I'm assuming you didn't mean to put that quote in there and that was directed at me?

I guess the point I was making is that your post seemed very likely to come from town given that it would be a really bad vote to make as scum unless your goal was security through obscurity

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MAN THAT SOUNDS FAMILIAR WHERE HAVE I HEARD THAT BEFORE

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Yeah UT, there was not supposed to be a quote there, it was supposed to directly follow your post.

But I still don't follow your reasoning; isn't security through obscurity (which I also disagree I am seeking btw) something that scum seek out? Or has site meta changed while I was away?

yeah absolutely, on D1 it totally would be a good scum strategy

but if you were trying to just quietly drop a vote down that would have been an ineffective way to do it

hence I just think you're town

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so how about we lynch frootloop

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gj Marquis

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vote FrootLoop

doot doot doot

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nice catch

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@UT - I responded to your 206 in 217. Do you think I haven't been contributing all game? Or before that post? I also disagree that I wasn't contributing - I've explained why I asked the questions. About your comment about seeming awkward - have you read any of my previous games? I'm asking because people regularly comment about my tone seeming detached but it's not AI.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here by ignoring you. I just think you're scum and arguing with you about whether or not you're scum is a frootless endeavor.

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may I suggest lynching Froot Loop

it's a pretty good lynch you guys

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Okay, you're scum-aligned then.

VOTE: zMuffinMan

lol

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I think this is a TvT
Irao's response has been pretty good IMO, he argued with zMuffon for 5 pages and I don't think he'd have that conviction as scum

also (and I hate it when people say this in games, I almost always think they are scum instantly when they say this...but)

I guess we're lynching SC then, huh?

and for what it's worth, Irao would ABSOLUTELY have this kind of conviction as scum

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My play is town-aligned, and I am town-aligned.

This sarcasm is so fake and scum-aligned because your argument is actually bad...

jesus fucking christ can we lynch him for being annoying at least?

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I think this is a TvT
Irao's response has been pretty good IMO, he argued with zMuffon for 5 pages and I don't think he'd have that conviction as scum

also (and I hate it when people say this in games, I almost always think they are scum instantly when they say this...but)

I guess we're lynching SC then, huh?

and for what it's worth, Irao would ABSOLUTELY have this kind of conviction as scum

yep right after you lynch me.

nah I don't wanna

vote iroan

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CKD summed up why the first line here is stupid pretty well

humor isn't your strong suit, is it

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not really UT
p-edit: Harsh sarcasm Muffin
Nah he wouldn't admit he was scum but he wouldn't draw so much attention with a 5-page fight I think

I was mostly raising the point that it was a really weird thing to say given that the post directly above him was doing the thing he was saying he would snapvote.

I don't see why him arguing is necessarily a town-tell given that it's mostly nonsense and drivel

also meta is trash

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like he literally said "I'm town because I'm town" as an actual serious point

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and for what it's worth, Irao would ABSOLUTELY have this kind of conviction as scum

So you think I am bussing?

uhhhhhhhhhhhh who would you be bussing?

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and for what it's worth, Irao would ABSOLUTELY have this kind of conviction as scum

So you think I am bussing?

secure your belongings. arms and legs inside. enjoy your ride on the Flailercoaster.

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quote shouldn't have been there but eh

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Having more than 2 would be over kill

iirc DGB soft-claimed bodyguard

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and for what it's worth, Irao would ABSOLUTELY have this kind of conviction as scum

So you think I am bussing?

uhhhhhhhhhhhh who would you be bussing?

zMuffinMan, how can I have conviction as scum-aligned unless zMuffinMan is also scum-aligned?

lol

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I am certain there is more than one in this game.

@UT - This does not look like a soft claim to a BG.
I checked her other posts and see nothing else you can have thought as it.

...well I don't really know what to say to that.

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I think she's wrong

that doesn't really address the issue, which is your assertion "I'm certain another (role) is in this game" doesn't at least look like a softclaim. which is ludicrous.

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well how about you expand on that rather than just saying "nah"

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the only other things I could see it as being a softclaim of are:

mason
some kind of informed townie (?)
rolecop

and I find it being a BG softclaim waaaaaaaaaaaay more likely than any of those three.

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The "sample roles" post states clearly that there's a possibility of multiple BGs in the game. it strikes me as an easy choice for a scum fakeclaim, independent of the possibility of a scum BG

also I think he's scum independent of his claim so.... I don't find your argument to be compelling

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and I find it being a BG softclaim waaaaaaaaaaaay more likely than any of those three.

I don't see it.

what exactly are you seeing, then

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what the fuck

"I think DGB is softclaiming this"
"I don't"
"What do you think then?"
"*Irrelevant bullshit*"
"What do you think DGB is claiming"
"omg ur fishing"

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oooookay I think we're done here

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deadline is in two days and you want to start a new wagon on a player who has barely posted?

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I can understand why you are satisfied with voting anywhere though.

keep up the good work, bro

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ugh...

I dont want to do this but

VOTE: dgb

I am sorry my dear, but I have a feeling you drew scum this time. hopefully we can be BFFs still after this.

But since you asked.

My role is Bodyguard.

Last night I bodyguarded you.

Players that call me scum, can die at night on their own.

If you're town... I'm leaving you wide open tonight to take the scum's bullets

It's against my wincon to help people that vote me to survive.

WELL WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT SHIT

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vote Katsuki

sigh

I'd prefer Froot Loop or iron but it looks like that's not happening today

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SO HOW ABOUT THAT NO LYNCH YOU FUCKIN SCRUBS

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All the prods of Katsuki, the master of lurking to victory as scum, from Muffinz is also scummy.

this was my thought coming into today as well

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I think Vedith is pretty unimpeachably town at this point.

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DrippingGoofball [4] - Seraphim, kraska77, thenewearth x2
iraonavp [3] - zMuffinMan, Katsuki, Froot Loop
Katsuki [8] - Vedith, DrippingGoofball, Ankamius, iraonavp, SirCakez, Untrod Tripod, PeregrineV, curiouskarmadog [LYNCH]

Because of Katsuki's powerful role, I doubt that thenewearth is scum double voter

He's just awful I guess

Policy lynch level of awful

given the number of town bodyguards, I don't find scum doublevoter to be completely out of the question.

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idk muffin was kinda too overt about their focus on katsuki

a good scumteam would have coordinated a powerbus on Katsuki. why does overt =/= scum?

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I'm glad we got the iraonavp tunnel war out of the way now before anything truly important happens.

I swear to god I'm going to just park my vote on zmuffinman for the rest of the game if he does this 1v1 bs again.

Katsuki's the best vote out of everyone if I had to choose outside of Froot Loop I guess.

Actually,

VOTE: Katsuki

I dislike the iraonavp wagon enough that I'm comfortable with this right away.

that IS a pretty awkward series of posts

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yeah, fakegod included a roleblocker in a game and they're going to expend it on you rather than use it for what it would have been designed for if it were added (because what mod adds a roleblocker in a game just to counter compulsive bodyguards? if there's a roleblocker, there's some fucking strong town power still left floating around)

See, I just post one sentence and then zMuffinMan goes into full Sarcasm Mode!

What I said was perfectly reasonable, this is just trying to discredit me as much as possible...

it wasn't reasonable

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yeah, fakegod included a roleblocker in a game and they're going to expend it on you rather than use it for what it would have been designed for if it were added (because what mod adds a roleblocker in a game just to counter compulsive bodyguards? if there's a roleblocker, there's some fucking strong town power still left floating around)

See, I just post one sentence and then zMuffinMan goes into full Sarcasm Mode!

What I said was perfectly reasonable, this is just trying to discredit me as much as possible...

This is a good vote.

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

lol. dance monkey dance!

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first quote shouldn't be there, obviously

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ank is spooked though. that's a good sign for us.

vote ank

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Because he doesn't want to get lynched

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I'm talking about his sheeping Muffin's suspicion on me.

technically if anyone is sheeping, it's me, seeing as UT expressed suspicion of you before me today (though you could argue he was just sheeping DGB but whatever)

and even that wouldn't be an accurate statement but at least a slightly more accurate accusation

he doesn't want to get lynched and two other people were talking about it so here we are

he has to reverse engineer because he has no argument

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It's impossible for me to be scum-aligned because Katsuki used the Bookie action on me, and that's why he and zMuffinMan tried to get me mislynched...

my first move as a scum bookie would be to use the power on my buddy and proceed to bus the everloving fuck out of them. if the power was able to be used that way.

I guess my main point is you keep saying "this is what someone would do" but you clearly have no idea how mafia actually is played

tl;dr stfu

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but wait, did I miss the part where we had confirmation of who Katsuki used the bookie on?

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Huh. I thought you were in MitLoF for some reason. I guess my first game on the site under this account is the only one that I can think of then.

Either way, I won't bother explaining why the way I handled the Katsuki wagon makes no sense for me as scum. Most people who have a significant amount of experience playing with me would be able to tell you why.

lol

best defense I've ever seen

10/10

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Huh. I thought you were in MitLoF for some reason. I guess my first game on the site under this account is the only one that I can think of then.

Either way, I won't bother explaining why the way I handled the Katsuki wagon makes no sense for me as scum. Most people who have a significant amount of experience playing with me would be able to tell you why.

lol

best defense I've ever seen

10/10

You're still alive?

yeah, you guys killed Seraphim instead of me last night

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Yeah I get it now, it was the completely naked votes that I disliked.

I gave a reason. don't pretend it was a naked vote.

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go go gadget self-meta!

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"Ank is reacting poorly to a very small amount of pressure. this is scummy in my opinion"

spooked. like cattle.

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It's like that playerslot is trying to get lynched.

but are you wanting to lynch it right now?

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deadline's in 3 days

can people make some choices please

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he's reverse-engineering his "scumreads" after being asked why. he has no actual trajectory to his reads, they have stopped/started without reason or explanation.

as an example his vote on me is a clear shot of self-preservation but rather than admitting that he tried to pull together some reasoning for it that didn't hold up to scrutiny (see his exchange with zMuffin)

by contrast, the wagon on me is based on... nothing? gut? omgus? self-preservation? it's unclear what the reasoning is because even the wagon cheerleader Vedith is only saying "UT is scum because he's scum"

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Vedith's town though and this game is pretty stalled out so I can't be too mad at him about it

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sell me on why your town

I don't have to. I drew a town role PM.

If you had to pick the rest of the scum, who is it? I assume Ank....but who else given the information presented? I dont want to no lynch todayssume Ank....but who else given the information presented? I dont want to no lynch today

I don't try to chain lynches or call the scumteam. that's just not something I do. I've been consistent about wanting to lynch Froot Loop since the beginning of the game. that hasn't changed.

I want to see what happens with Ank before I figure what the resistance to his lynch slash the counterwagon on me means

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UT is giving me really mixed vibes which is frustrating me
Lynching him is OK I guess but I really want Scum Loop gone

oh this is such horseshit. I've been calling Froot Loop scummy all game. Given that he's a bigger scumread, why are you pushing on THE ONE OTHER PERSON who has really been trying to make that lynch happen?

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especially when I'm a counterwagon to, I dunno, an actually scummy person

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UT is giving me really mixed vibes which is frustrating me
Lynching him is OK I guess but I really want Scum Loop gone

oh this is such horseshit. I've been calling Froot Loop scummy all game. Given that he's a bigger scumread, why are you pushing on THE ONE OTHER PERSON who has really been trying to make that lynch happen?

Well, FROOTLOOP seems town-aligned...

This is a very scum-aligned post, like he expects to be read as town-aligned for accusing FROOTLOOP... Just sounds wrong.

it's like we're playing mafia with a fucking toddler

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UT is giving me really mixed vibes which is frustrating me
Lynching him is OK I guess but I really want Scum Loop gone

oh this is such horseshit. I've been calling Froot Loop scummy all game. Given that he's a bigger scumread, why are you pushing on THE ONE OTHER PERSON who has really been trying to make that lynch happen?

Well, FROOTLOOP seems town-aligned...

This is a very scum-aligned post, like he expects to be read as town-aligned for accusing FROOTLOOP... Just sounds wrong.

UT is giving me really mixed vibes which is frustrating me
Lynching him is OK I guess but I really want Scum Loop gone

oh this is such horseshit. I've been calling Froot Loop scummy all game. Given that he's a bigger scumread, why are you pushing on THE ONE OTHER PERSON who has really been trying to make that lynch happen?

Can't we go over Froots and your scum read again?
I'm finding Froots pretty quiet.

yep. it's p scummy behavoir.

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Well that's rarely a good sign!

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I'd prefer an Ank lynch still tbh

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Die

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You know, we have the time to make it happen, so

vote Froot Loop

I can switch back to Ank if it comes down to it but I just prefer Froot Loop today

Come on Ank join us.

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Well there are about 3 players in this game just coasting. If I had to guess at least one scum is chilling there. Froot is one of them. The timing of UT's vote is strange. Also asking the guy he was just voting to join the wagon is strange.

He seems motivated by self-preservation, as I've said.

Also I've been stating a scumread on Froot Loop since day 1. Pretending to be surprised is not a good look for you.

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2.) my "wtf" statement was I was confused how the guy voting Ank, decided to stop voting Ank and vote for FL (all the while asking Ank to join him on the FL wagon)...all of this happens 24 hours before the day ends...god, even as I type that out I am still like WTF.

do me a favor and don't lie about what I said very plainly

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a lot of people have supported lynching Froot. we have the time and votes to make it happen. I said EXTREMELY FUCKING CLEARLY that I preferred the lynch but will switch back to Ank if I have to.

AS I FUCKING SAID I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation so my extension of an invitation onto a lynch wagon was partially sarcastic given that I was referring to his self-preservation tactics which I had been talking about earlier in the day TO YOU AS I RECALL. remember? you referenced that post when you unvoted me?

usually one waits a few pages to try to rewrite history. you... you went another way.

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a lot of people have supported lynching Froot. we have the time and votes to make it happen. I said EXTREMELY FUCKING CLEARLY that I preferred the lynch but will switch back to Ank if I have to.

AS I FUCKING SAID I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation so my extension of an invitation onto a lynch wagon was partially sarcastic given that I was referring to his self-preservation tactics which I had been talking about earlier in the day TO YOU AS I RECALL. remember? you referenced that post when you unvoted me?

usually one waits a few pages to try to rewrite history. you... you went another way.

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AND I'M SO INDIGNANT ABOUT IT THAT I POSTED IT TWICE

RAWR

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I don't understand what's surprising about it. a lot of people have said "yeah we could lynch Froot" and I saw the timer and said fuck it, my vote will make it close to the number that Ank has, why not go for the lynch I want

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also

Spoiler: I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation

I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation

I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation

I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation

I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation

I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation

I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation

I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation

I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation

I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation

I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation

I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation

I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation

I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation

I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation

I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation

I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation

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he was at L-2 and I said I was still willing to vote him

jesus fucking christ you can't possibly be this dense

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just a liar

could be scum, but that wasn't why

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eh, I never called you scum. you're bringing that to the conversation.

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why would town lie?

people aren't rational actors

the timing of my vote is not "strange". me asking ank to join me isn't "strange". you're trying to reframe what happened in a way that just isn't true.

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If I had to guess at least one scum is chilling there. Froot is one of them

also why the fuck aren't you voting for Froot with me if you're scumreading him? am I bussing Froot now?

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if you think I'm scum, I'm pulling votes off of (town in your opinion?) Ank to try to kickstart a wagon on my partner?

or if I'm scum and Froot and Ank are town I'm pulling votes off of a mislynch onto another mislynch? why?

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you can think my vote is strange but explain how it could possibly lead you to vote for me, because I can't think of a reason why it would make me more likely scum that town? why not just wait it out on Ank if I'm trying to mislynch him? why draw attention to myself to bring a wagon onto someone else?

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why would town lie?

people aren't rational actors

the timing of my vote is not "strange". me asking ank to join me isn't "strange". you're trying to reframe what happened in a way that just isn't true.

how the fuck do you know what is strange to me? WHY WOULD SOMEONE WHO IS TOWN, VOTING SOMEONE THEY THOUGHT WAS SCUM, UNVOTE THEM 24 HOURS BEFORE THE END OF THE DAY. THEN ASK THAT SAME PERSON (AGAIN WHO THEY THOUGHT WERE SCUM) TO VOTE WITH HIM.

THAT

IS

FUCKING

STRANGE.

you do know I can move my vote back, right?

see, watch

vote Ank

holy shit I had no idea I could do that

vote ckd

vote Froot

incredible.

and regarding ank let me just quote myself

I think Ank is primarily motivated by self-preservation so my extension of an invitation onto a lynch wagon was partially sarcastic given that I was referring to his self-preservation tactics which I had been talking about earlier in the day TO YOU AS I RECALL. remember? you referenced that post when you unvoted me?

there's an explanation. read and retain.

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if you think I'm scum, I'm pulling votes off of (town in your opinion?) Ank to try to kickstart a wagon on my partner?

or if I'm scum and Froot and Ank are town I'm pulling votes off of a mislynch onto another mislynch? why?

who is your partner in this scenario?

maybe IS scum and you are trying for a no lynch. maybe you just want a no lynch. I dont know. WIFOM fun though.

I don't know. could be anyone pretty much.

trying for a no lynch would be suicide.

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so what am I trying to do, then?

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trying to pull a lynch to Froot, who is a stronger scumread of mine than Ank. given the amount of time we have left and the amount of support I've seen for the lynch I think it can happen. if it gets late in the day and the lynch isn't happening I will switch back to Ank.

PEdit:

because there are three candidates for a lynch that everyone seems to pretty much agree about. we're not in danger of a no lynch.

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I'm sorry, man. I wasn't trying to piss you off. I got a little riled myself because it seemed like you were deliberately misrepresenting what I said.

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Ugh why can't we go Froot Loop again?

we can! let's do it!

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yeah, we can't lose with lynching between ank and froot

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by evidence

go on

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vote Ank

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vote Froot

wooooo

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UT / PV move to FL

VOTE: Froot Loop

Is that one or both?

we're at L-2 currently I think, so you putting him at L-1 would be helpful yes

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Or better yet iraon or ank

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Can someone vig CKD?

You don't like my vote?

it seems more like a consistent attitude she's had about you today imo

like a reminder, not a new read

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he means one of the four that aren't him in my town list

^^^

I'm not claiming my Guilty until everyone has claimed, and I think there's very solid reasons (especially from my PoV) to not claim it before that and/or at all.

smart

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he means one of the four that aren't him in my town list

^^^

I'm not claiming my Guilty until everyone has claimed, and I think there's very solid reasons (especially from my PoV) to not claim it before that and/or at all.

he means one of the four that aren't him in my town list

^^^

I'm not claiming my Guilty until everyone has claimed, and I think there's very solid reasons (especially from my PoV) to not claim it before that and/or at all.

Then why say anything at all? This feels like a gambit.

let's just go ahead and not try to discredit the cop guilty

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VOTE: SirCakez

For bussing FROOTLOOP and Katsuki.

I don't even care if he's scum at this point, I just want him to stop posting

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probably better to just lynch the guilty today

while this is true generally, I think he does have a point about his possible paranoia

iirc the Queen of Hearts was very "off with their head!" and that would make sense flavor-wise as a paranoid cop

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it was not sarcastic, but I will be pretty disappointed if he doesn't reveal his target after the mass claim is done

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Who's up next?

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I'm an 8 of hearts, town compulsive bodyguard

Protected Marquis, then Vedith, then Maestro

Pedit: stop posting.

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Figured scum would kill maestro last night because double voter plus the way the day ended

The fact that he wasn't shot last night honestly makes me kind of paranoid about him, but it's more likely that the last scum is just iraon and therefore wouldn't have known to shoot him because of The Dumb

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Killing guaranteed guard(s) would have been a better play but LET'S JUST GET ON WITH THIS WHIRLING CAROUSEL OF ENJOYMENT

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Quick let's lynch him

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hue

scum done fucked up not shooting Maestro

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Gee I wonder who the last scum is

or you could just say who you're accusing rather than continuing to not meaningfully contribute to the game in any way

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I dunno there isn't enough bickering I'm trying to create drama

you need to call me a skank or something

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also seriously who do you think the last scum is

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SKANK!

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the lynch is safer and would allow you to get off another investigation in the unlikely event of 4 scum.

we also need to work out a bodyguarding plan so we don't double up on anyone

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shrug

lynch the cop guilty is mafia 101

vote ckd

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Ima protect Maestro tonight, no one else do that.

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Umm if ckd is saying the truth then I want ut protected
Early froot and ut interactions pretty much confirm him as town

I mean, I'd love to be protected

how about this, we work out a plan for how we do the protections with both flip options?

considering we had one scum bodyguard flip I find it unliiiiiiiikely that there's a second scum bodyguard but I suppose it's possible?

and of course one of the claimed bodyguards could be lying

hmm

unvote

my vote is functionally on ckd but let's work out those options. I still feel like if CKD flips scum we have to protect maestro. if there's somehow both scum together then congrats guys that was the con of the century

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I'm having a really hard time seeing scum Maestro pushing through the lynch on his teammate at the last minute yesterday

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I can see the logic

it's a "win more" strategy.

it's not a GOOD strategy, but it's a strategy.

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agreed

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yeah or if we just lynch CKD we can know Maestro's sanity/alignment NOW

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in terms of pure I-want-to-lynch-this-for-scumminess I want iraon or Ank

that being said I think lynching CKD today is the smart play so we should probably just do that

regardless of what he flips I'll protect Maestro
SC protect Muffin
iraon protect PV

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I still think that lynching the claimed cop guilty is the only thing we should really be considering doing today....

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we don't really need to, though. it's infinitely better to just let that get handled overnight (even if it may just be delaying the inevitable)

oh and to be clear, maestro should be using his cop and ONLY his cop for the rest of the game

oh really?

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Your mother

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vote CKD

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~shenanigans~

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wait

that would mean that SC specifically was shot, right?

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it literally doesn't matter, he's paranoid. he was leaving the door open for him to vig iraon

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or he could be a scum doublevoter I guess, but

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okay everyone claim your actions

I protected Maestro

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(I'm going to have limited access from now until Sunday afternoon, but I'll be checking in and posting with my phone and iPad)

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Lol

Get over yourself. We lynch cop guilties.

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So what do the people who want to actually play the game want to do? We could lynch muffins! Or iraon or ank. Or pv even! So many possibilities

Why are we assuming 5:2 pv?

How do we know we're 5:2 btw? Is that just a guess or....?

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So wait, are you actually assuming I'm scum or what? That sounds more like you're mad that we didn't do exactly what you want anted

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Lynching ckd led to 2 dead town instead of 3. It made more sense.

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But I suppose you would rather yell about how you're so m7ch smarter than us so we deserve a bunch of verbal abuse because you didn't get your way.

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Sorry to disappoint. I guess I'm just that dumb

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Actually this is my queue and you aren't allowed to have a secret bastards game. Moderator has to declare that in their rules powt.

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Also WHY DID YOU FUCKING PEOPLE NOT FOLLOW THE BG PLAN

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So where does everyone else stand on their reads?

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We can't be guaranteed to get those 2 vig shots.

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Oh fuck it, it doesn't matter

I have a hard time seeing Muffin being a gigantic dick as a bit of scum theater because there wasn't really a whole lot of suspicion on him and he could easily push for mislynches on iraon or Ank coming into today and tomorrow. However if it really is 6:1 and he's the last scum, he'd need to do something that prevents him from having to push a bunch of mislynch wagons. Like park his vote on a vanity wagon for the rest of the game and be really vocal about it. The game has been enough of a clusterfuck up to this point that it's totally possible people would totally gloss over it.

Pedit: are YOU that roleblocker? What are you even talking about? Who are our live alices?

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Anyway, aren't you just voteparking me until one of us dies? Shouldn't you just be telling me how no one respects me and I'm dumb instead of just making sarcastic setup spec

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Didn't maestro say that he could only vig things he investigated?

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Yep, you sure wrote a thing

Too bad you weren't very persuasive

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So are you actually going to just votepark on me all game, or did you just need to get the anger out of your system

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Okay, well, supposing I flip town, what do you do next?

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Okay well that puts me in kind of an awkward position.

See, I know I'm town, so the fact that you're just putting your vote on me tells me that a. Mafia would let you live til endgame b. You'd vote me in LyLo

So that makes it hard for me to justify not voting you regardless of my read. I'll take my confirmed town status to me over your unconfirmed status. oh well. Sorry, dude, I was enjoying playing with you. Perhaps another time. I hope you don't flip town and this unpleasantness was just scum theater.

vote Muffin

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yes, i forget that in mafia games, actual logic isn't persuasive

guess im dumb

and yes, im planning to votepark you the entire game (or until someone hits l-1, at which point, i quickhammer)

that or replace out because i cbf anymore, depending on whether that comes before endgame (it might)

Yeah, I've heard that same lamentation from much dumber people than you. You're better than pretending that mafia isn't essentially just competitive arguing.

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Bye Felicia

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TTH

Why shouldn't I vote for you?

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Convincing argument. Have you been following along, or are you going to ask for time to read?

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Okay

unvote

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Would anyone else like to contribute to the discussion, or...

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I could lynch the Marquis slot

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Any reasons you want to share?

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It was sarcasm, you clod

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I know, what I meant is that your questioning of TellTaleHeart doesn't make sense because the slot is already confirmed as town-aligned.

How's the slot confirmed, again?

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vote kraska

Let's do it

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Shrug, a win is a win. We lynched the scum.

There were some salty motherfuckers in the deadthread and some salty motherfuckers in the game, but I can't really fault them for it. Sorry I tried to lynch you, Ank.

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Great job by TTH. Coming in with fresh eyes and being super confident about your reads was awesome.

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thanks TTH, well done

Sorry l wanted to lynch you. I still think it was the right thing to do

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Maestro deserves more credit for the lynch than I do, tbh

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