Mini Normal 1909: Girls ♥ Girls 1 ~ Endgame

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Fire townread on me, update or has it changed, why

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Your townie. But mostly for stupid reasons.

I LIVE FOR STUPID REASONS

Hit me up

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Town!Gin acts like a Dad >_>

Ironically my friends call me the Dad of the group

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Fire, Tammy, Nacho, Alisae, Frog, SAD, Ari

Titus, Implosion, Hikari, Prism, Keyser


VOTE: Titus

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Really I'm thinking of a Titus, Keyser, Implosion team and I'm gonna check if it makes sense

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm double voting with SAd until I feel motivated

VOTE: Prism

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Spoiler:

Gin friendo what is this?

VOTE: Titus
It's because the game is 64 pages and it's a mini. Thanks Boon and Gin and rb
pedit: ILY too Frog <3

Can you not fucking shade when you're the 4th highest poster?

No seriously?

Why even fucking say that?

You had to go to activity and sort the posts and see you were the 4th highest so what was the purpose of that besides throwing shade excluding yourself?

Fire, Tammy, Nacho, Alisae, Frog, SAD, Ari

Titus, Implosion, Hikari, Prism, Keyser


VOTE: Titus

Alisae pissed me off by what I took as a personal insult and the bottom of the list is a my reads if I threw out concentrating on thought into a fuck-it bucket and wrote down the names as I felt about them on the spot.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

that had nothing to do with the vote? It was purely on Alisae commenting on activity

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

But do you like the Titus wagon.

Or was it an apathy vote.

If the former why.

a really dangerous I don't town read you L-2 vote even tho that puts me closer to not posting gamesolve past D1.7 but live life on the edge apathy vote.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I also TR Prism so... :/

porque

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I also TR Prism so... :/

porque

Because he's town. He's dripping with scumhunting oh and we gel.

[read the above is bullshit, but it worked for implosion so]

No be serious for a minute

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Who knows, I'm getting drunk for real tomorrow. Maybe you can convince me to vote town tomorrow.

On a workday? :O

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Who knows, I'm getting drunk for real tomorrow. Maybe you can convince me to vote town tomorrow.

On a workday? :O

Tomorrow night. Jeez.

on a worknight

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Tammy

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Keyser today, Titus tomorow

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Keyset

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Btw there are like 3 pages that happened and I read like 10 words per post.

Keyser is scum read by Frog, Alisae, me, Tammy, SAD, probs two more not listed and let's be real Ari is a free vote so we only need one more

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

SAD doesn't scum read keyser

SAD, start scum reading keyser

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Ari

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

"Happy thoughts"

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Ari

This is your third opportunistic vote this game.

Please can you answer my questions in regard Titus.

No.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Prism makes me sad

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Titus has been insulted, miss-repped and discredited this game. Her behaviour is the result of those attacks.

Keyser and Titus are best friends in the PT

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Yeah it's Titus was a flash wagon keys and not a slow as crawl.

Keep spitting out these theories

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Okay.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

so Titus V Tammy makes me remember a Titus V Nero except a lot less yelling.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE COUNT

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

ew ^

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Keyser (3)- Alisae, Frog, Fire
Titus (4) - Nacho, Hikari, Implosion, Tammy
Ari (3) - SAD, Titus, Gin
Alisae (1) - Keyser
SAD(1) - Ari
Gin(1) - Prism

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: titus


L-2

yes, he should

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Particularly, the efforts to engage or extract from others that I've seen are either nonexistent or ring incredibly hollow.

This is like, you're only reason, and everyone knows this isn't true, so they don't care.
876

Refute or get your vote off babe

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

If anyone hammers before the 7th real life day of day 1 I'm death tunneling you.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

(expired on 2017-05-09 20:00:00)

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Froggy, may I ask

why

Titus is the leading wagon?

because me and I'm in control of this game and ya'll think you're arguing for funnsies but my strings make the Titus wagon a thing >_>

(in reality, it's because she has the most votes)

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Oh excuse me, didn't know how I said that, must have been a frog in my throat

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Hmm...So Gin is full of shit then, eh

Oi, my intentions of my vote were clear

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Ari, what makes me full of shit to purposely vote Titus to L-2 so Keyser defends Titus, while also stating that anyone that actually hammers before I do my gamebreaking gamesolve is scum?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I meant with the whole puppet thing tbh. Because clearly you're not controlling the game if you're only there for pressure and the other votes were placed without your influence.
Iunno, looking into what was probably a joke.

you took that post seriously?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

My scum read on Keyser and his treatment of Titus is literally the only thing that has me second guessing the titus scum read because it just does not feel right. Titus beating me the fuck down to try to drive me out of the game is something she has done as scum before, so I don't town read that.

NERO VERUS TITUS STAR WARS FUCK SAKE

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

am I missing something about star wars

I keep seeing people use it contexts I don't understand

Titus, literally. spent. the. entire. game. arguing. with. nero. from. the. start. of. RVS.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

SAD I WANNA PULL A GREY

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Welcome to my death tunnel. Not happy.

VOTE: Titus

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Welcome to my death tunnel. Not happy.

VOTE: Titus

*shrug*

You could have actually stuck on Ari rather than dicking around voting obvtown to force players to play the way you wanted.

I JUST GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE AND IM WORKING FULL TIME, SORRY I ASKED YOU TO WAIT LESS THAN ONE MORE GODDAMN DAY.

SERIOUSLY

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Implosion will have all my reads, I'll be able to FINALLY WORK ON THIS GAME TONIGHT BUT LETS THANK TITUS FOR FUCKING THAT UP

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

CAN YOU STOP WITH THE SHRUGGING

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You seriously give off that you don't actually care.

You KNOW I can find a whole scum team D1 but you stopped that right befor it happened.

You're showing you don't care and I believe that is you're true emotion because you're playing to win coin

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

/hug tho cuz this is a game

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I had a shit game I know. But I will learn from this.

I mean if you're town, don't use fancy font

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I mean if you're town, don't use fancy font

Non alignment indicative.

Doesn't help you're popularity and no one admits this is a popularity contest

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I mean if you're town, don't use fancy font

Non alignment indicative.

Doesn't help you're popularity and no one admits this is a popularity contest

I didn't fit the 'culture' of this game.

If you are town, why didn't you reply to my titus question?

I WOULD HAVE TONIGHT! THATS WHY IM MAD

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I claimed my role to him but I didnt ask him. Honestly, we posted videos of dogs getting massages and talking about how life can be deep.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Oh and we had night talk, so that was cool.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

lol thanks Hikari for reminding me..
Short of a guilty I ain't moving
VOTE: Titus

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Looking back it, it made me think.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Do cat massage videos exist as well?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

YES

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

The amount of votes on Titus is really sad, we need more

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Gin, why did you claim to implosion?

He asked me if I was feeling okay and then asked me why I assumed other hoods and it's confirmed that there is in fact another hood out there.

Also, I claimed to him on Monday, proof is when implosion made this post on Tuesday.

I'm much less suspicious of Gin than I was.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So um...
What's my incetive for doing this as scum besides wasting time when we have 14 days to decide on a lynch, so it's not really wasting time.

You're full of shit.

If you were a desperado, you making the statement you quoted would have counted already. Now you're mechanics before bullshitting everyone.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So um...
What's my incetive for doing this as scum besides wasting time when we have 14 days to decide on a lynch, so it's not really wasting time.

You're full of shit.

If you were a desperado, you making the statement you quoted would have counted already. Now your mechanics before bullshitting everyone.

YOUR

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Gin.
Spyro.
NY200

Yeah, I'm thinking you're scummy as shit because flashbacks to you claiming some bullshit.

There wasn't any desperado's that game. You were scum. and went "oh why would I be stupid as scum" and you were fucking scum.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Novice was D1 tho?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Great. Now be useful and shoot Titus because I will promise you that one of you today will die.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Like, people scum read you, and you will be lynched this game. Same with Titus, I'm piledriving that lynch. If you were smart, you would realize we can double day this while getting a confirmed town.


P-Edit:nah, mixed up there Nacho, him checking up on me made me think he was town because I get my town reads from bullshit and later on when he asked me questions about why I thought other hoods, I felt comfortable with him being town to the point where I would claim.

Basically, I'm a town daytalk enabler, there reason it's confirmed we got multiple hoods is because we had night talk. So that means there is a night talk town enabler in a hood somewhere.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Alisae, continue to play but don't do something nobody likes, which is lying.

P-Edit: Frog what?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

OH WOW YOU ARE DENSE FROG

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I am so annoyed.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Frog do you read the part where Alisae fucking says she was gambiting

or do you for the 3rd goddamn time come up with bullshit to vote me.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I DON'T PLAY NORMALS

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I DONT KNOW THESE THINGS

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

OH FUCK WAIT

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

GUYS, FUCKING LYNCH ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW THE NORMAL RULE GUIDLINES TO A FUCKING T.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So with that out of the way, let's lynch Titus

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I would rather both of you didn't replace out.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

FUCKING LMFAO

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm nomming this for kodak moment

~ lol ~

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm not a gambit. It's my role.

Also, you might be mistaken here but Alisae was the one pulling gambits?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

As long as I am alive, any PT with one or more Town-aligned players will not be locked during the Day.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

He's obviously a bronie wtf SAD >_>

RESPEK

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

(I'm a brony).

CALLED IT

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

In all seriousness, moar Titus votes

~ Your*

..oh wait. ~

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Oh
and I found out the best way to describe the Tammy V Titus

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Spoiler: Like, dead on perfect

Spoiler: ♥

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Twas to describe the Tammy V titu

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Can you describe me vs Alisae with a gif?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So what if we lynched desperado before he showed up?
Who is down for that besides me

You misspelled Titus

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Spoiler: How to befriend a shitposter

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

lol oops my finger slipped

viewtopic.php?f=61&t=71638

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You should wear a green tie, it would match your role pm so nicely.

LOL

yeah I almost got in trouble for that because I UNKNOWINGLY asked if I should change my tie color to blue/red and it was multi-ball red/blue mafia teams.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

lmao 100 page mini normal

guess I should have asked what sort of commitment I was making first

what's crackin motherfuckers

Well we're just talking a little jazz before we lynch Titus

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Fuck I don't care if this is buddying, I love this Desperado

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Buddy me with butter and serve me an endgame idc

Anywho, basically Keyser was going to write a defense of Titus, and I was going to have a jam session and actually show my work solving the game and then the day I said I was going to do it, she hammered

OH AND I CAN FUCKING SAY IT NOW

THE REASON TITUS LOL HAMMERED IS CUZ SHE KNOWS I CAN CATCH SCUM D1 IN A JAM SESSION

She got lynched in Days of Yore Mafia because near the end of D1, Nacho and I were finally able to have a night to talk and we correctly called like 8/13 slots town and both scum as null and then the scum we caught, Titus!slot, barely escaped a lynch because of deadline. We then died and she was lynched D2.

BUT THE THING IS, SHE KNOWS HOW MUCH DAMAGE IT CAN DO.

So she literally lol!hammered the night I was going to do a jam session, btw you should note this was with 7 days left to deadline so there was NO FUCKING RUSH, and I explicitly told people all the time that it was my free day to actually put work into here and lynching someone was a scum claim and they would have my vote till they die.

Hilariously anti-town play and I don't believe Titus is town at all so she's dying.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

MAH BOI INFINITY

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

This shit is getting lit

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

IT'S GOING GREAT NOW

It looks like we're getting the band back together >_>

Don't tell Fire but if we get mastina and Heartless and we got a full blown reunion

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So today is a good day

Spoiler:

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Jokingly, anything involving Titus I'm stoked about, currently going out to eat

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Alrighty, so who's next on putting out a defense of Titus?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

If I'm honest I don't think Ari has the balls to scum read me if he was scum.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I think you could pull it off.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I hate you and your living ball of WIFOM.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

@Fire

>_>

<_<

Spoiler:

<3

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Infinity, read EOD D1

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

If anyone hammers before the 7th real life day of day 1 I'm death tunneling you.

Start from this post

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Alrighty

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Is it within gin's scum range/scum arsenal to lay low and pretend to be scumhunting in his own weird ways?

*coughs* you'll notice when reading

So today is a good day

Spoiler:

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also, regarding play style, I think it can relate to the Accounting Mafia style of play

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE TITUS

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Yeah for myself and others Alisae/Desp has been a shaky slot

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Otherwise, all four of us like each other pretty much

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

ya know, the double flake of what is now Leon's slot is interesting

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

personal theory keeping to myself but

Leon, Fire, Titus, Hikari is what I find to be a healthy pool

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Of course, Titus dies today, like no matter what.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

But tomorrow, pretty much Leon, Fire, or Hikari will die and that will be that

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

ALSO HAPPY SOON TO BE MOTHER'S DAY IF WE GOT ANY IN THE GAME!

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

SAD my darling

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Put Titus at L-2

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Ah ha! Page top, that means you gotta follow the page top, it is the rules of the thread culture

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Hmm alright but I get to proxy your vote for 1 wagon if I need to push something through at a later date huehue.

Vote: Titus

DEAL

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I think she is at L-1

L-2

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Hmm alright but I get to proxy your vote for 1 wagon if I need to push something through at a later date huehue.

Vote: Titus

Spoiler:

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Nope

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

boi

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

how abouts

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Titus does her own thing

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

and pushes a lynch

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Now, for my case I'd like to start with by saying, on the night in question.
Titus was at home, she was not meeting in some dark room discussing how to destroy the town, she does that on Tuesday's, this night was a Wednesday. You can ask her fellow conspirators, she did not kill implosion.

In fact the killer of implosion has already confessed!
Why isn't he on the stand?

Ohh right, we agreed vigilantes are good.

And if we agree vigilantes are good we should agree vigilante groups are good.
And if Titus is a member of a vigilante group, as all evidence points to, then we obviously cannot condemn her.

What case does the prosecution have?
That she secretly wants you all dead?

Well, so have I!
And be honest with yourselves, when have you not wished the death of another.

You cannot condemn Titus for a thought crime unless you are prepared to condemn yourselves as well.

The defense rests

What are you getting at?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

The fuck is the shadow group

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Stop being cryptic, unless it's a hard clear she dies

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Gin

If I will die, I will at least resort you. I probably should fight more so town has a shot of maybe lynching nacho on day 50 but my give a fuck is low.

OH MY FUCKING GOD YOU SUCK

HA
HAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHA

HA
AHAHAHA

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Gin

If I will die, I will at least resort you. I probably should fight more so town has a shot of maybe lynching nacho on day 50 but my give a fuck is low.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You pushed through a lynch in my townblock yesterday and you still basically won't listen and I know it so I am going to try to work with Infinity and Fire. Probably more tomorrow.

DO YOU NOT READ THE WORDS THAT COME OUT OF YOUR OWN LIPS, HUN?

YOU
LITERALLY
VOTED
KEYSER
FOR
THE
HAMMER

YOU FUCKING HAMMERED!

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TO BITCH AT TAMMY WHEN YOU KICK SOMEONE TO THE CURB LIKE THAT.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

It will probably take a significant amount of time so if you're going "oh boy I can't wait to see a flip!!" I would request that you take a chill pill so that we can actually use as much time as we need to get a good lynch.

As long as the EOD, I see a Titus flip, I'm happy, I, unlike some people, have patience.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Lol, I'm starting to think only scum will say what I say sounds fake. It's such a shit accusation because you're not fighting my argument because you know you're fucked. All you're doing is this weak ass attempts to discredit me to try and get the lynch off you.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Cat got your tongue Gin?

lol mothers day

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Cat got your tongue Gin?

lol mothers day

Does mother's day prevent you from commenting on the accuracy of my townreads? It doesn't prevent you ftom posting.

I don't argue unless I'm at a computer cuz I hate texting on a phone. I only use phone to keep up or make posts that shoot the shit like this one

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You pushed through a lynch in my townblock yesterday

And for those of you not caught up.

Yesterday's lynch was on Keyser, a lynch that I thought was fine but was on my second scum read as you can tell in the above vote count, my vote was still on Titus.

Titus is claiming that I pushed through a lynch on someone in her town block, yet she never town read Keyser and in fact when I posited that keyser was scum white knighting a town titus and frogger was noticing the same weirdness she started maneuvering about how yeah that looked possible.

Keyser then claimed VT, and immediately after the claim, one week before deadline, before anybody could react to the claim post, Titus hammered.

That bullshit that I pushed through a lynch on someone in her town block is sheer revisionist bullshit history that you typically find in Texas secondary education textbooks.

Oh you mean like this argument Titus?

It's a blatant lie that you're trying to spin and no one fucking buys it.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I am however well aware that I am getting shouted down for my opinion in this one that Nacho is scum. I cannot get him lynched today.

Do you disagree with my townblock Gin? Are you threatened by it?

Also you're town block town reads me so what the fuck am I supposed to be scared of?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also the accuracy of reads is a bullshit way to try to sell yourself as town.

Why?

because when someone is scum, I can almost promise you that they are 100% accurate on who is and isn't town.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I am however well aware that I am getting shouted down for my opinion in this one that Nacho is scum. I cannot get him lynched today.

Do you disagree with my townblock Gin? Are you threatened by it?

Also you're town block town reads me so what the fuck am I supposed to be scared of?

Well the fact you haven't exactly said I was right or wrong does speak volumes.

It's not my problem if no one buys the correct answer and listens to you basically shouting nothing.

Speak what fucking volume?

Use those words to E L A B O R A T E

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also the accuracy of reads is a bullshit way to try to sell yourself as town.

Why?

because when someone is scum, I can almost promise you that they are 100% accurate on who is and isn't town.

Yes, scum always bus with 100% accuracy. Great, let's not play.

Do you care to engage with substance or do you intend to throw mud and strawman? I'm waiting on your comments regarding who is town and who isn't.

I dont give a flying fuck and we all don't about who you think is town until you prove how you didn't hammer Keyser and how you're fucking shading Tammy by saying she pushed the D1 lynch will mind you, your scum reads are Leon, Hikari and myself.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I didn't cause shit.

I said Keyser was town

and gave him peace from this game.

YA LET ME HAMMER A FUCKING TOWN READ.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Please, I pushed Nacho, Implosion, Alisae and Ari. Town weren't interested. I was trying, and I detest D1. I just didn't have the proof to actually PROVE said slots were not good. I was wrong on implosion. I know that much.

and Ari, and on Nacho.

You have a like a 20% chance on Alisae

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Do you think the reads there are correct?

Town doesn't ask for approval. You push what you believe in.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Tammy shaded Keyser because Tammy felt no one could defend me. I don't even remember who she's voted, but her suspects miraculously are all players who defended me.

Also go into this, show me the posts, with quotes where Tammy shaded the players defending you. I don't give a damn if it's an off the cuff response, if it's not in a quote and you can't explain how it's shading then you're full of it.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Tammy's not on my wagon, but she's clearly pushing me. There's no difference between the two.

This is also a faulty argument when Nacho requested no one put them near hammer, you're at L-2 babe. Tammy knows how to respect other players wishes.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I didn't cause shit.

I said

Keyser

was

town

and gave him peace from this game.

Votecount 1.19

Keyser Söze

(7)

~ Fro99er, Firebringer, Alisae, Nachomamma8, implosion, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Titus

The irony in a vote count showing how scummy you played.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Again, you're dodging giving reads. I am not asking for approval. I am asking to sort you. You're more interested in spam than discussion.

...she says, while I give multiple points breaking down her posts to discuss every bit of it.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

There's an entire page of stuff, not just one post that you picked out was weak

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I DONT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOUR TOWN BLOC

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

NO ONE FUCKING CARES ABOUT THAT, MOVE ON TO WHY WE THINK YOU'RE SCUM

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

AND MAKE US STOP BLOODY THINKING THAT

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I DONT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOUR TOWN BLOC

This is the third bloody time I've said this and even Fire who jokes around doesn't bloody care.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also if you paid an inkling of attention you shouldn't even be asking this question

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

SAD? WE FUCKING PRAISE THE SUN TOGETHER AND DOUBLE VOTE

Ari? WOW IT'S LIKE I SAID I DON'T THINK ARI COULD SCUM READ ME AS SCUM

Nacho? You're fucking joking about that scum read

Tammy? Same as fucking Nacho, no way in hell is there a damn scum read.

Infinity? I'm waiting till endgame to see how long he lasts because he's bloody obv!scum in endgame play.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You happy now Titus? Now answer the damn accusations against yourself cuz you're being annoying dodging this shit by going READS READS TELL ME READS

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You can't deflect shit any harder can you?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I WANT YOU TO ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS

IT'S LIKE I'M TRYING TO FUCKING SORT YOU TITUS

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

YOU'RE PLAYER FUCKING ONE THAT I'M WORKING ON AND YOU IGNORE YOURSELF

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

HOLY FUCK

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

PAGE 130 I ASK YOU A MULTITUDE OF QUESTIONS AND THEY ALL ANALYZE AND GIVE THOUGHTS ON YOUR PLAY AND HOW I THINK THEY ARE SCUM


For the love of all that is holy stop saying I'm not doing shit when I'm literally trying to do it with you. It's bullshit.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

TITUS SHUT UP ABOUT READ

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

ALL I CARE ABOUT IS YOU RIGHT NOW

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

NO ONE ELSE, ONLY YOU, YOU HAVE MY UNDIVIDED ATTENTION WITH ME TRYING TO SORT YOU AND YOU WON'T FUCKING TALK TO ME ABOUT YOU

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

One more time you try to even bring up "other reads" before I feel comfortable calling you town and I will blissfully ignore you

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You know for a fact that when I'm town I control the game's lynches. There is no way I'm letting you live unless you work out a town read on me.

So none of this is a waste of time because I'm in the game and you know of my ability to pushes lynches through.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Alrighty die in silence

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

ALL I CARE ABOUT IS YOU RIGHT NOW

wow, now you hurt my feelings.

GIN

WTF

I THOUGHT WE WERE BROS

Spoiler:

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

totally didn't steal a page top

~ From nancy? No. Doesn't happen. ~

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Did you just >_>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You can always check activity overview and it likes to state that kinda stuff

~ You can also look at the OP where your lovely mod gives you all of the things. V/LA is listed under "Happenings". ~

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Nacho

Titus used Nacho vote!

It wasn't very effective...

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Lol Titus shut up for real. You experienced first hand how we fucking busted your slot in Days of Yore mafia.

The very last day of D1 we found out your slot was scum and we produced content. You didn't want us to derail a wagon or anything.


Straight fucking lies

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

lol I can also make public the wood cutters PT to show how dangerous we get and how the content we can make, when given a chance, breaks games.

You won't ever admit it because it doesn't help your case but everyone else can see through the bullshit and that's all that matters

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also lack of content on Nacho? He if I remember correctly, Nacho was the first to do 3 large wall posts about his town, null and scum reads so that accusation can fuck right out of a window too.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

If wanted too, I can make a whole damn list of all the posts in Nachos ISO that involves content.

You have a case in faulty premises and you're pushing it an not reevaluating.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I will say the great thing is you gave me the opportunity to obv!town to my boy Nacho this game and I thank you for that

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

That's not a scumtell and you should know that.

No Nacho will not scumslip. The closest anyone will get is indicators.

FIRE STRAIGHT CALLED HIS ASS OUT SO HARD IN LAUNDRY MAFIA THAT HE HAD THE BALLS TO FAKE A GUILTY ON NACHO

....and Fire was right

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Spoiler:

Lol Titus shut up for real. You experienced first hand how we fucking busted your slot in Days of Yore mafia.

The very last day of D1 we found out your slot was scum and we produced content. You didn't want us to derail a wagon or anything.


Straight fucking lies

That would require me to be in Days of Yore mafia. I do not recall that game.

That's not a scumtell and you should know that.

No Nacho will not scumslip. The closest anyone will get is indicators.

FIRE STRAIGHT CALLED HIS ASS OUT SO HARD IN LAUNDRY MAFIA THAT HE HAD THE BALLS TO FAKE A GUILTY ON NACHO

....and Fire was right

Fake guilties stop scumhunting and are something that should almost never be done. It's not about balls, it's about respect.

Again, you deflect and take this tone with me. IF you're town, I'm presuming you would have learned from the game with Devil and actually do something other than chastize me for my opinion. You have no interest in engaging me and letting me reveal my towniness in the only way I can. So please be silent and not put forth gibberish.

ARE YOU FOR REAL

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

THE GAME YOU KEPT BRAGGING ABOUT PROTECTING YOUR SCUM BUDDIES AND YOUR PLAY WITH ARI?

THAT GAME WAS LITERALLY ONGOINGING WHEN THIS STARTED!

WOW MAYBE WE COULD EVEN GET ARI WHO MODDED THAT GAME TO VOUCH THAT YOU PLAYED IN IT.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Fake guilties stop scumhunting and are something that should almost never be done. It's not about balls, it's about respect.

Titus, you seem to be deliberately missing the point.

lol dude, she's going to say one retort and misrep what I'm saying in order to spew bullshit. Oh and it'll be one post out of many calling her out. Not like she responded to how I showed she was wrong about Nacho. Not a damn word.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

That scum read still exist Leon?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

That scum read still exist Leon?

I'm 85 pages behind, I'll tell you when I catch up.

Could you summarize why you're on the Titus wagon?

Lol the catch up will make it clear

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Gin, you're going nuts on this Nacho defence a little much. You need to back off a bit.

There's a difference between a defense and discussing why Titus is lying

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

ALSO, I will always defend a town read unless they're not

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

And if Titus flips scum it will also put aside any paranoia I have that I'm being pocked by my friendo Gin because I don't see that argument as scum vs scum.

Spoiler: You're not being pocketed I swear

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Desperado....

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

THATS BULLSHIT AND I CALLED YOU OUT ON IT AND YOU IGNORE IT TITUS

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

THATS BULLSHIT AND I CALLED YOU OUT ON IT AND YOU IGNORE IT TITUS

You've yelled the same damn thing for 30 fucking pages doesn't make it true. I've acknowledged Nacho is VLA now, but he's never going to do anything useful because you fuckers keep spamming and then wonder why I'm not interacting with spam.

TITUS

DID NACHO WRITE 3 WALL POSTS DISCUSSING HIS READS OR NOT?

YES OR NO?

THIS IS ONE POST SO YOU CAN'T CALL IT SPAM

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm a bad player

No no, you town read me, that means you can find town, you good <3

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

WOW IGNORE THAT QUESTION THAT DECIMATES YOUR SCUMREAD ON NACHO A LITTLE HARDER

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

THATS BULLSHIT AND I CALLED YOU OUT ON IT AND YOU IGNORE IT TITUS

You've yelled the same damn thing for 30 fucking pages doesn't make it true. I've acknowledged Nacho is VLA now, but he's never going to do anything useful because you fuckers keep spamming and then wonder why I'm not interacting with spam.

Titus

Did Nacho write 3 wall posts discussing his reads or not?

Yes or no?

This is one post so you can't call it spam

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Ari...do you townread Titus?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Who did Titus replace?

Titus replaced Titus at D0

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So you acknowledged the walls Nacho posted, yay or nay?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Spoiler:

@Boonskiies -

First of all, I think that one of your major sticking points against Alisae is the way he's going about pushing you; I do agree that his reasoning for pushing you in general is weird as shit (saying that you're defending Frog and using that as a significant point against you when you're not defending Frog), but I'm having trouble seeing scum go so absolutely hard against you early game, especially when no one else is buying the push - the frustration here and here when it seems no one is buying into the push also seems pretty genuine to me. Him being scum here would require him being so desperate to get you lynched where he's willing to lie and throw fake tantrums to get you lynched, which doesn't really make sense to me. I think that it's more likely he's just town who got a bit overzealous with his read.

I also don't really get why Alisae as scum would move from Frogger to you if he were scum. If Alisae is scum and Frogger is town, then he has a perfectly acceptable mislynch wagon to sit on and moving from that to you (a read no one is really buying into and a read that's getting him scumread by multiple people) doesn't seem like it's in his best interests. If he is scum with Frogger, then I find the early mutual push kind of strange - I can see them maybe agreeing to push each other pregame but if that was the case, then I think Frogger would be pushing back more (this interaction looks more like Alisae pushing him and him rolling over).

Does that make sense?

@Alisae -

I don't really understand why you went from pushing Frog to Boonskies (and later implosion, but that seemed like it was more out of frustration than anything - correct me if I'm wrong). I don't think it's fair to say that Boonskies is hard defending Frogger; you seem to assume that from his 353 which I don't really understand - his only point was that he also has experience with Frog, it had nothing to do with whether he thought your experience was legitimate or not. Boonskiies's attack on you asking Gin to vote Frog just seems like a misunderstanding - I interpreted it as you trying to get a wagon on Frog early so you could read him but he seemed to read it as you trying to get Gin to vote Frog with absolutely no reasoning. Am I missing something with your push on him here?

As far as why I think he's town this game, I really liked this post for starters. I expected him to read people based on their pushes on him based on his perception of himself here, and the "I even gave you an out" post seemed like a smooth confidence that seemed unlikely to be coming from scum who was caught pretty much immediately and the sarcastic rebuttal of your suspicions in 327 and 328 also seemed town along that same vein.

I also think that his suspicion on you makes a lot of sense: 313 picks up on the "OR ELSE" phrasing and calls you hypocritical for expecting an explanation from Frog when you haven't really explained your Frog read itself (understandable, a large part of confidence in your read on him is due to meta so it makes sense for someone to struggle to understand the push from an outside perspective), 323 is an attack founded by him having a different definition from the word "sort" than you do ("you're not reading me" is not necessarily the same as "you don't have a read on me" but a nuanced difference that isn't immediately noticeable), his 420 expresses that he doesn't like you accusing him of defending Frogger when that's not at all what he's doing (I agree with this - just because he disliked a certain push doesn't immediately mean he's defending the person you're pushing).

@Titus:

I voted implosion for this, but it was a tongue in cheek vote; I had a different read on Tammy than he did but that had nothing to do with my read on him. I liked his read on me here but my townread on him didn't coalesce until this exchange; his position on Tammy seemed town to me because he was putting unreasonable pressure on someone who wasn't going to be a likely mislynch and I didn't think he'd do that as scum since he'd probably be expecting pushback from it which I don't think that he would be comfortable with.

From there, my read on him has only strengthened - this post adds a nuance to the Alisae scumread that I don't think he'd think to fake as scum, this post I'm probably townreading more than I should but it came after he voted Frogger immediately after I was thinking of asking him what he thought of Frogger, then thought to myself "man, if he's scum here I'm going to cry" and then refreshed the page and hey here's him with a similar read on me - I know it's not an insane thing to fake as scum and could be entirely coincidental but the feeling of being so perfectly in sync is too strong to shake, and the way his Alisae read is developing also seems genuine.

I agree with 573 and mostly think that your point on him is misunderstanding what he said.

@Hikari Link: I'm splitting my reads into three posts; townreads, reads I have no idea about, Frogger. I've tried to avoid talking about meta when able to but it's inevitably made it into a couple of reads that I just can't separate it from - let me know if this is helpful at all.

{Tammy, Implosion, Boonskiies, Alisae}
{Firebringer, Aristophanes}

I think that Tammy's town looks posting in a vacuum but a large part of my confidence in her being town is due to meta; she's the player I'm the most familiar with in this playerlist by far and we've been playing together for a while and while meta tells can absolutely be wrong I don't think this one is. The posting that I think looks town regardless of meta is how she's working through reading people while still messing around and having fun - every read she's given makes sense and has nuance.

I thought that Implosion's push on Tammy looked town. Part of thinking that looks town is also due to meta - Tammy has been playing for years and has never been mislynched and had an opening that I thought looked pretty town - I don't think that implosion as scum would decide to push Tammy as the first significant thing that he did in the game (especially for reasoning as shaky as "you haven't towntold in your first post"), but it makes a lot of sense for him to push her a bit prematurely because he wasn't townreading her yet and was used to townreading her instantly. I also agree with and can understand exactly where all of his reads are coming from; his stance on rb is complicated for scum faking a read and reflects my early perspective perfectly, and I think that his reasons for starting to scumread Alisae make a lot of sense, as do his reasons for wanting to hold onto that scumread - the way he sort of lets the read fizzle out as he inevitably loses confidence in it anyways also seems very genuine.

The towniest part of Boonskiies's play is how he's handling Alisae's push on him; posts like this where he's saying "I gave you a chance to survive but you fucked up, time for you to die" is some pretty smooth confidence as scum, posts like this where he says that he was waiting for Alisae to vote him also look very genuine and make sense when a big part of the reason he suspects Alisae is Alisae's push on him, and posts like this also just seems like a townie who feels confident that he caught scum. It also helps quite a bit that he's pushing Alisae for very legitimate reasons (I talked about where I think he's going wrong a bit in my response to Alisae, I can go through their exchanges again if that's something you were interested in). Him having legitimate reasons to back up his confidence helps with townreading him because it makes it less likely that he's just going attacking Alisae because there's suspicion surrounding him and he thinks pressing someone hard will make him look town.

I'm townreading Alisae mostly because I don't think his play here makes a whole lot of sense from a scum perspective. I don't think that it makes scum to push Frog as hard as he was and then swap to Boonskies shortly after, but I can understand town who gets overzealous based on someone actively making posts that they disliked. I also think that his reads (for the most part) make sense - even his Boonskiies read which bothers me the most out of everything that he's done started out pretty reasonably before going off the rails later. Examples of reads that I think look genuine include his early implosion read: it looked kind of strange that he was pressing implosion but not voting him early on but then he explained that he didn't understand what implosion was doing but thought it was an odd thing for him to do as scum, which mirrored my thoughts on implosion at the time. I liked his read on Frog here. It, of course, helps that I share the Frog scumread, but I also liked how the attack started out very confident and ended with "I think you might be scum here" - I can definitely see feeling great about something in the moment but then losing confidence before you actually submit the post and don't think it's a detail that Alisae as scum puts in if the motivation here is to go bananas on Frogger to look town.

I think Firebringer could be town because it doesn't look like he's trying to get townread in any way at all - his scumread on implosion is based on one post, he has a scumread on Alisae also based on nothing, and very very blatantly rolefishes in thread. He might be scum who thinks that he can get away with it because "lol firebringer" and I don't really have any reason to believe that he isn't, just kind of gut reading him as town here.

I think Aristophanes could be town because he hates being scum and I don't think he'd open up with pushing me. This is not a very strong reason for him being town.

So right now, I feel okay about the top four being town - Tammy in particular I feel surprisingly confident about but every other read I wouldn't be horribly surprised if I was wrong with (I'd think they were playing a good game of course, but it wouldn't be a huge huge surprise), they just feel pretty town right now. Firebringer and Aristophanes I think are town basically based on a hunch - would turn my reads on them in an instant.

@Hikari Link, this is my second reads post talking about reads that I'm still working through.

I'm probably coming around to a townread on Gin. It does look like he's genuinely trying to read me through posts like 19 (which I lean town on because of the whole "unreasonable expectations thing" I talked about with my townread on implosion) and here where he questions my early activity even though not really thinking it makes me more likely to be scum. I'm inclined to read him for wacky shit like this post, where not pushing implosion today is apparently a gambit or this post where he's crumbed something to me or this "I don't give a shit about them or I do give a shit about them" separation + "I'm scumreading Tammy because my reasons for townreading her aren't deep enough" wacky shit combo but I'm far more comfortable reading him on the reads he's formed and decided to push and he just hasn't really gotten into that a whole lot yet.

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Titus I just don't really have a read on right now. I had some concerns early mostly because I wasn't really sure where she was coming from and she was poking at a dynamic that felt off to her in a way that was more laid-back then I was expecting and then I ended up liking her responses to that but not in a way where I could feel so much as vaguely confident about a read there. I think pressing a scum read based on a contradiction that's not a contradiction is something she's capable of doing as either alignment.

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I'm not really sure what to make of rb. His interactions with me bother me for reasons that I'd rather not get into, but at a minimum, I'm annoyed that he played one game with me 6 months ago and assumes he knows everything about me and I'm not worth interacting as a result, and I'm still trying to figure out whether I think that conclusion is genuine when he didn't bring up any of that frustration in the game in question.

I think his perspective on Frogger seems genuine; I'm not sure he'd be going to bat for a scumbuddy who hadn't done anything yet, and the way he presents his reasoning here like it's immediately going to be discredited seems genuine to me. His most recent point on Alisae (dropping strong Frogger meta scumread to push Boonskiies) is not bad at all and is easily the one thing about Alisae that bothers me.

His interactions with Titus also look genuine enough and the things he's doing in general don't really look like things scum would do (in particular things like the self-vote and sheeping Titus stuff). If I didn't have the interactions stuff to parse through I'd be much more comfortable slotting him as town and he might just be town but as of right now I'm more comfortable leaving a bunch of question marks around him.

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If I was forced to read you/Keyser I'd call you town and Keyser scum because the way you're trying to get a handle on the game seems kind of genuine to me and Keyser complaining and disappearing immediately doesn't but that's less than nothing type of reasoning.

@Hikari Link: This is my scumread on Frogger. A good chunk of my confidence in the read is because of meta (I wouldn't feel it was anything more than a decent RVS vote otherwise), but I've done my best to explain context and where I'm coming from below; let me know if anything needs to be clarified.

First of all, in a vacuum, I feel like Frogger's posts aren't great. Voting Alisae is fine, but if it was a strong read like he claims it is in this post, I'd imagine he'd care a bit more about explaining it. Showing up and caring about nothing but the votecounts in this and this post while people are pushing a case on him and things are happening around him just feels unnatural.

The reason why meta makes this a read I feel somewhat confident about is because I've found that, in general, he'd rather be town than scum and it shows and I've also found that as town he's not inclined to let people just push him - he doesn't like being misunderstood and he generally feels very town when he's town and so usually struggles to see why people would suspect him. If you look through the first page of his ISO around this post, you'll see him responding to suspicion on him and pushing back a bit in a way that is much much different than how he's handling it here.

In Laundry Mafia, for example, Frogger played with Tammy and I and opened the game up in the same sort of way that we opened here; he was playful, he was active, he developed multiple reads and pushed them pretty much instantly.

There's also games like this one, where he was very busy but still managed to take point in a hydra and certainly didn't let the suspicion surrounding him stand while he flaked out of his scumgame that was going on at the same time.

I don't think that this is slam dunk reasoning or anything (it's possible that Frogger is town doing a weird gambit, it's possible he's just busy and not letting us know he is for some reason) and I think he's more than capable of faking the differences I pointed out in these game, but I think that him not liking scum as much as he likes town means that it's possible he's more inclined to have an opening like this when scum.

In that game I really didn't want to play with ThinkBig -- who had just game thrown in Cabd's game -- and I signed up first then ThinkBig signed up and I didn't have a chance to tell Alisae I wanted out before the game started. Alisae convinced me to stay in, but I never posted but once until LyLo when I started fake posting as Alisae.

This context in particular kills all real concern I had about you not lurking intentionally; I was aware that you were completely capable of posting a bunch as scum (I ended up skimming your ISO in Bees for some reason, probably Tammy's fault), but I thought you flaked on Alisae because you were too busy/drained from playing scum for a while.

If you don't feel he'd do that as scum, then why did you push EXACTLY THAT (I'm not talking the fake emotion part, but the "Tammy hasn't dropped my towntell yet" part, which is what you initially started your Implosion push with).

Maybe.
The explanation in 106 or 102 or whatever it was (the post that you note is backing off) put the whole push into context for me; the explanation that the approach was weird but unlikely to be coming from as scum is exactly the same as my perspective on it and Alisae's reaction (questioning it, pushing it) was exactly the same as mine, so it's pretty easy to see the town perspective behind it.

Then Alisae busts out the "Boon is faking emotion stuff" just like he did with Implosion, and mocks boon in 137 with a vote -- again taking what Boon did with his rb vote seriously. It feels so off. It's just accusations and not trying to understand any sort of dynamic between Boon and rb.

Where did Alisae say that Boonskiies was faking emotion; I just thought he disliked the rb vote because he thought it was opportunistic.
I don't think that not getting jokes is scummy - I didn't understand Boonskies was playing around until he called himself a playful creature.

"excuse me Alisae -- you've already been forming other reads in these first 6 pages and I know you're a tonal type player, so explain what about the tone makes you feel like rb is town instead of scum, since you think he can do this as both alignments."

I find that it being early in the game means that I'm more comfortable with having townreads for little to no reason than I would have been later in the game, and I think that's what Alisae meant - he didn't really have a great way of explaining his rb read right then but it was early game so no big deal.

Seriously -- town!Alisae would definitely get frustrated that I'm (supposedly) not trying to read him, and scum!Alisae would almost surely just be like, "frog is scum and here's why" with less emotion behind it.

I can understand this reasoning, and I suppose that's part of what I was trying to get at earlier - Alisae as scum voting you would know that they were making a vote with correct reasoning (aka this is not his town meta, this is what his town meta is) and would be more likely not to abandon it for the Boonskiies push.

explain to me why my being concerned about getting the correct votes on the correct people, in the correct order is scummy.

It seemed scummy because at the time it seemed less important than addressing things like Alisae's push on you or commenting on the game - correcting votecounts is something you can do via PM and I was concerned that you were using that as a way to dodge from giving content a while longer (which, in retrospect is a really dumb reason to suspect you but it was very very weird at the time).

My initial reaction is just to call this town; I think the read on Alisae looks pretty in depth and genuine and the emotive responses to me also look pretty good. I'm just trying to sort what this looks like if Frog is scum here - I think he probably still would do the whole "wait to start posting" gambit maybe probably, but I'm not sure he'd be as able to sell the progression on the Alisae read and the response to me specifically as well. I'm interested in Tammy's updated thoughts on Frogger.

I'll post my responses to you in chunks since you're here, Keyser.

This makes me feel uncomfortable. Why pick this out?
Uh-oh my early scum-associations radar is pinging.

As we talked about later in the game this post is one I remember off the top of my head, Tammy and I have been playing together and Gin expects us to be able to read one another. While I think that it was probably a play from an overexcited Gin to expect us interact

immediately

as opposed to fairly quickly, I don't think that it's intuitive to assume that Gin and I are scum together - did you read/understand the explanation later and did it affect your opinion on the situation or no?

Nope. Not buying the tone or sincerity.

Why? Those were fairly offhand comments, did you not buy into them because they were too much substance early?

Looks like reaching hard to explain an early town read.
Set phasers to stun.

This is my style in a nutshell, as rb noted, I tend to be very reasons-heavy as an individual - why do you think that reaching in order to add words to gut reads early is scummy? Is it just unbelievable in that it's impossible for someone to think something early game AND try to explain it?

Not buying this as an actual scum-hunting question.

Weird post to attack. Alisae thought that Boonskiies voting rb for the "flashwagon comment" was opportunistic and a bit too shallow to be believable, and unless you think that "not picking up on jokes" is a scumtell (I don't), I don't actually think that you can make a case for this being scummy.

Whatcha gonna do about that "feel terrible" scum-read?

Early game, I wanted to start a chucklefuck wagon on him to see if I worry him about being lynched early a bit. People didn't end up taking the bait, so no dice there. When he ignored the push on me immediately, I played up the scumread on him to get him respond but still didn't really get anything substantial. This post is me exploring my concern that he was begging for people to pay attention to him without anything substantial to say. Here I prodded him on his attempt to sort me; I didn't think "why are you so active and town???" was a valid question, so I made him explain why he was asking it. I was satisfied with his explanation. This is me prodding at him for making a big show of interacting with me and sorting me but still not actually sorting me. This is me urging for him to talk about the reads I generated, to get some more content on the table - I followed up with it when he didn't respond shortly after, but stopped pursuing it because the discussion with Frogger was along the lines of what I was looking for.

Your case against me here seems to be that because I'm not voting him, I'm not sorting him, but that simply isn't true - Gin in particular I'm willing to give some room (and I'm far more interested in what he does outside of interactions with me anyways so it's not like pressing him is going to help with that) - I also haven't found problems with his positions or his reasoning at all, I've just had a problem with him not scumhunting hard enough yet which is a fairly nebulous concern and not exactly something I can just make him do, especially since we're still in a fairly early stage of the game.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic's random naked votes on Alisae and Nachomamma8 continue to feed my scum-team theory.]

Why do you think Gin would random vote us randomly if we were all partners together? Do you think his motivation there is so he can point to those naked votes down the road and say that we aren't partners together or do you think he simply feels the need to remind us that he's our scumbuddy?

No it doesn't. It is null. Explain to me scum-Fro99er's scum-motivation.

Not everything that you do in a mafia game is intentional. Sometimes, you get frustrated and engaged in a shitshow fight despite the best intentions not to, and sometimes you end up lurking despite not believing that it at all helps your win condition. In this specific situation, I had reason to believe that Frogger had a strong preference for town over scum, and I had strong reason to believe that he was the type of person who got drawn into addressing pushes on him as town (and I explained where I was coming from in this belief). I believed that there was a possibility that Frogger was demoralized on drawing scum because he wanted to solve the game with his friends and as a result was having trouble forcing himself to post - there was a possibility that something else was going on but I strongly believed that if I was right, he wouldn't be able to shake my pressure off him even once he was able to get some posts together and the idea he was caught and he had to dig himself out of a hole would make his job harder - if I was wrong, Frogger as town has been extremely comfortable when responding to pressure and I wasn't worried that I'd mislynch him for that reasoning.

We will play a full game soon (perhaps in Boys ♥ Boys's?)

~ I'm flattered. Think they want some company? ~

Keyser, I am a sucker for people who suspect me when I'm being townread and your position on me is no exception - there are plenty of games where I'm sort of phoning it in early game and I feel like I might get mislynched and this doesn't really feel like the case here. That's mitigated somewhat by your reasoning. Your position on my early Frogger reads seems a bit unbelievable to me, for example; if I am scum and making a push on a townie who is gambitting, I know that he's not getting mislynched because eventually the gambit will break and my push will be invalidated - thus it doesn't seem incredibly opportunistic to push him unless I really believe he's having a really off game (in which case the narrative where I'm town who thinks he might be scum makes a lot of sense to me). I also don't really understand why you're pushing back as hard against my Alisae townread as you are but not giving Frogger's a sidelong glance; I understand that's probably because Frogger's demonstrated a lot more doubt than I have, but I would think that someone who was scumreading Alisae but later started townreading him would factor into your overall read but it just didn't.

The big concern I have for your catchup posts is the concern Alisae and Tammy have already expressed; it feels like you decided what reads you'd have before you started catching up. It might be because of format and I might have missed something, but every comment you've made on Me/Gin/Alisae (with the exception of a single Alisae point) has been negative and every comment you've made on everyone else, and that seems unnatural to me. I think that it's natural to doubt yourself and doubt your reads in a game of this nature, and while it's completely possible that you're just a bit confbiased as town I can see a very clear picture where you as scum form three main scumreads because that's how many scum you're looking for and then making a narrative from there.

I do appreciate you catching up as quickly as you did, know that it couldn't have been easy and if there's anything you're looking for from me in particular let me know.

So you mean to tell me all these posts are fluff posts?

~ Removed spoilers and men. ~

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm lazy.

Don't be