Mini 1936: Yume's Cutsie U-Pick (Town Win!)

[Radical Rat]

@Ari: Does that include in our PTs?

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

Guilty until proven innocent.

VOTE: Yume
Attempting to instill a dangerously corrupt justice system.

[Radical Rat]

Jesus Christ, this game exploded.
Anyway, I just gave a quick read, probably missed some stuff, but here's what I'm thinking.

The Super Gay Hydra and The Lumberjack Hydra townreading each other does not surprise me in the slightest. Lesbinancy and Gay Alcohol probably know each other well enough to get reads that quickly. I'd like to think I could flash read my datemate as well. (If I had one, but y'know)

Pilgrim and Flowers feel..... Not good.
I don't see the point in announcing publicly which 'hoods you were in, if you're just gonna disregard them. Also Misty is 10, what the heck is wrong with you Pilgrim?

Vomit boy has the Good Vibes goin'. Seems honest and pro-Town.

Which brings me to Radio Control. I've been in a few games with him now, I think either 3 or 4. In those games, I find that I like RC when he's Town, and find him terrifying as scum. Right now, he's pretty scary.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[Radical Rat]

@The Yumester

This game is for you, so what's going on? What are your thoughts so far?

[Radical Rat]

Just use standard abbreviations instead of full names. Just call me Rad, Radical, Rad Rat, Rat, or anything else.

[Radical Rat]

I read

Mastina

as hard town for stuff that's not related to anything you've said, FTR

I'm still not comfortable with TWC and I feel like you're assigning too much weight to weak stuff and it's possibly they're just 1-way pocketing you.

Can you explain this? How can one head be a hard townread while the slot isn't?

[Radical Rat]

224 is a reference to a previous game: I hard townread

Mastina

in KH for some of the stuff they'd none, none of which is present in this game.

Fucking Shit God Damn!
Strike 6!

God damn the English language for making read the same in past and present tense...

[Radical Rat]

ytf r u townreading me

Why shouldn't they?

If you are indeed Town, why wouldn't you expect to be read as such?

[Radical Rat]

I don't think Ratburn is reading.

- Scott

I'm trying my best >B/

[Radical Rat]

ytf r u townreading me

Honestly?

Because of the way both RRs treated you.

Yes preflip associatives etc. but dealwithit.

Explain this please?

I took a look through my counteRRparts ISO and didn't see anything looking like they were trying to attach themselves to me...

[Radical Rat]

It's annoying that everyone calls me RC anyway so they get away with not having to deal with this nickname stuff T_T

How about Rad Cow Disease?

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: RR

you need to be more specific as there are two RR's

Based on context, I'm pretty sure that's my counteRRpart

[Radical Rat]

rat v

yume

v btw

What does this mean?

[Radical Rat]

rat v

yume

v btw

What does this mean?

I indicated that "yume" went against the post restriction by colouring the infraction.

I think he asked what the "v"s meant

Yep.
Thanks for answering though, my philosophizin' moderatin' friend!

[Radical Rat]

I never said I trusted the Gays and Lumberjacks.

Just that them townreading each other didn't bother me like it seemed to bother Rad Cow Disease.

Vomit boy's in a PT with me, and most of my read actually comes from there.

And I asked the Yumester specifically because she's posted very little, and the entire premise of this game is built around her preferences and ambitions. I don't want her to get left behind in a game that literally has her name on it.

[Radical Rat]

Not game related, but Kyubey is NOT evil.

He's quite clearly Lawful Neutral.

[Radical Rat]

RUBY ROSE IS SCUM.

THIS IS YOUR 100% ACCURATE READER COMING IN TO TELL YOU THIS.

I was clearly wrong on RC because that is one holy hell of a scumfuck buddying attempt.

VOTE: Dioscuri
nance we can vote this now, I'm finally with you.

What's this based on?

[Radical Rat]

I would prefer not to out PT interactions without consent, if that's alright with you.

And... Yeah, I mean. I could ask that to everyone in the game, but I'm more interested in the Yumester specifically. I'm not really sure what else you want me to say about it

[Radical Rat]

Yes
It's OMGUS
because I wanted to make it look like OMGUS
so that way I can read Jae to see how he responds to being Pure OMGUS'd

VOTE: Dioscuri

Kinda defeating the purpose by saying that.

[Radical Rat]

Got it thanks.

And yeah, I don't get why you're so concerned with Our Star here there is just so many people to talk to and scumhunt.

It's not like I'm not doing anything else.

I just want to make sure she isn't forgotten amidst the chaos of the day.

[Radical Rat]

RR
why do you scumread me.

Because reaction tests don't work if you say they're reaction tests before getting a reaction. So I don't believe that post.

I also find your fixation on me wanting to hear from the Yumester meaning I'm not interacting or scumhunting elsewhere very strange, seeing as I absolutely am.

[Radical Rat]

I've been asking questions and expressing opinions ever since I got on today.

I made one single post to give the game's REASON FOR EXISTING an easy entry point, and THAT'S what you're fixating on?

If I need to go quote every post I've made with other relevant content, I will, but I don't get why I have to do that when all you have to do is look at any other on topic post.

[Radical Rat]

I WAS talking about current events before this debacle started.

As for Fluffy? I'm not really sure. Idk what feud's going on between Drixxtreme and anitsam, but I was planning on letting that play out to help me read both slots.

Fluffy in particular hasn't done much to really catch my attention one way or the other

[Radical Rat]

Look, as soon as vomit boy comes in thread and okays me to give PT specifics, I'd be happy to elaborate on that read.
But it's called a PRIVATE topic for a reason, so until then you get nothing.

I don't know what you want me to, add "Sorting x" to all of my posts?

As of right now, you are my biggest scumread, Lumberjacks are probably Town, vomit boy's probably Town, Rad Cow Disease leanscum, Gay Hydra leantown, my counteRRpart is nullish, Pilgrim and Flower are mild scumlean, and I think that covers all the heavy posters so far.

Just because you don't think I'm sorting doesn't mean I'm not.

[Radical Rat]

who is vomit boi

Random/Jaune

It's a reference to RWBY, where Jaune, the character in his avatar, vomits and as such gets called vomit boy.

[Radical Rat]

I'm probably gonna take the rest of the night off from this game.

I'm starting to get really pissy, and I don't want this to turn into a shouting match with Aslan.

[Radical Rat]

Gay Hydra, are you able to explicitly confirm that masonry with Lumberjack Hydra?

Vomit boy and I were talking last night about the Lumberjacks being scum based on the unlikelihood of the claim to begin with, and waiting to claim negative utility until they thought they could get a lynch out of it.
It's possible scum in the animal hood were listening in and chose to kill him because of that, so if the masonry isn't real and you're just sticking up for a townread, now would be the time to say so.

[Radical Rat]

Pontius Pilate?

King David?

The Almighty?

True Colors?

Adam and Eve?

The Serpent?

I'm sorry?

[Radical Rat]

I do not understand

[Radical Rat]

Rat I still would like to know why you townread random

It wasn't anything super huge, but it was Enough.

Basically, he asked if we should keep the PT secret, then Pilgrim posted "Hey yeah these are two hoods that exist, but we're not using them" in the main thread, and vomit boy and I agreed that was sketchy as hell.

We were also the only two who'd posted anything more than "Hi" until last night.

He struck me as being proactive, and we were thinking the same thing with that bit immediately, so I figured we were probably on the same side. Last night's conversation about Lumberjacks vs. my counteRRpart further reinforced that read, and now he's dead. Idk, it just feels like someone didn't like us working together and/or being right.

[Radical Rat]

If you think this wasn't a mafia kill... Then where is the mafia kill?

If it were someone else, there should still also be the mafia kill, no?

[Radical Rat]

If you think this wasn't a mafia kill... Then where is the mafia kill?

If it were someone else, there should still also be the mafia kill, no?

It's likely a maf kill. Is there janitor maf role on this site? That's what I automatically assumed it was

Really now?

i wonder why randy died, and why it isnt showing up

( Catching up on what I missed from the night now )

[Radical Rat]

In the other fucking PT that random, myself, and some others are in. The one for animals/nonhuman creatures. Drixxypoo already claimed that we have two pts we're part of.

-Cerb

To clarify, I didn't explicitly defend them, it was more I told random what I think I said earlier today, that the ONLY way TWC was scum was if Saph was town and they thought they could get a couple mislynches in exchange for their life, but even that was like...quite unlikely. I hadn't ran the numbers yet to see what sort of game state would be required for that play to make sense for scum!TWC.

-Cerb

I can confirm that this is true.

I can also confirm that the hydra signing argument is ridiculous.
For all intents and purposes, a hydra is one player.
If they wanna sign, they can sign, but I don't see how it helps anything or hurts anything.

If it's really THAT big a deal to Fluffy, just do it.
Though Fluffy... You should also really chill on that

[Radical Rat]

Do it.
Also, R&R, if you're an IC, please clear yourself now.

Can't right now, it's night-only.

How do you know this?
I don't remember it ever being claimed...

[Radical Rat]

If you think this wasn't a mafia kill... Then where is the mafia kill?

If it were someone else, there should still also be the mafia kill, no?

It's likely a maf kill. Is there janitor maf role on this site? That's what I automatically assumed it was

Really now?

i wonder why randy died, and why it isnt showing up

( Catching up on what I missed from the night now )

VOTE: gerryoat

[Radical Rat]

Okay V
what the fuck is going on right now?

R&R claimed an IC they can't use.
I used an ability that should be able to clear both Paddy and I, but part of the effect is that I do not know exactly what Paddy got and how it is rendered, if that makes any sense.

How does it clear?

[Radical Rat]

Sanic what happened to your Cowbells read?

That dayvig actually made me townread him.
Or at least townlean.

While it was poor form not to WARN us before ending the day, he shot someone being regarded with suspicion from several players. If he were scum, why waste a dayvig on a potential mislynch instead of taking out one of the billion conftown claims on his lynchbed? Just doesn't add up.

[Radical Rat]

Who's Nebby?

[Radical Rat]

why is the pedit in the middle of the wall....

Whatever do you get my point Sanic?

I do, yes.
A game actually just ended where RC had me townreading him the whole game, and he turned up scum... Second time too.
I'd like to keep that number at two.
VOTE: Virtuoso

L-1 I believe.

@RR What's your read on me?

Assuming you mean me.... Pretty null. Waiting to hear exactly what Varsity Bassoon means by being able to clear people.

[Radical Rat]

Well there'd better be a damn good explanation for him claiming and not sharing a guilty.

Also...

@Modstophanes: Is your interpretation of mason confirmed Town, or only confirmed Not Mafia?

My counteRRpart's death most likely means they really were an IC, and scum shot before they could activate it. That makes three mod confirmed players, plus Varsity Bassoon who can apparently confirm more.
That is far too much conftown for one game, and something fishy's gotta be going on here.

[Radical Rat]

FoS: Cutiegoat for claiming they had a guilty in the animehood, then never outing it during N2, then RR dying instead.

Theory: Scum don't know about the guitly.

Whether scum knows or not, he should have said who the guilty was on.

[Radical Rat]

So the way we're doing this is we lynch the guilty
and then we lynch one of the "masons"
unless the guilty is in the masons.

Me and Var-Var are pseudo-masons
Var-Var and Sapphy are masons.

So lynch in which pair of masons?

The gays and lumberjacks I presume. Since evidently they lied

[Radical Rat]

I don't care what you think you saw Masthead. I'm telling you that we are a mechanical mod confirm clear (assuming we don't just get killed off at night first). That's literally all you need to know. I can either back that up or I eat rope, right? A pox on your for forcing my hand in the first 24 fucking hours of the game. At this point there's no upside in being coy.

We're Jar Jar Binks (yes, really). We will be able to trigger a mod confirmation of IC, which is tied to our flavor since Palpatine used Jar Jar as the pawn to allow him to take control. We are easily manipulated which is why

we have a negative utility which will mess with roles trying to target us.

Happy now?

~D

Dio, did you target my counteRRpart? Because that would explain the redirect.

[Radical Rat]

Why are you willfully ignoring that you targetted someone who's been softing Nexus the whole game and trying to convince us there's a redirector instead of y'know, what they claimed would happen if you targetted them?

It seems more like you're doing this just so you can attempt to defend yourself from a guilty. Which you probably thought gerry had on you.

VOTE: Dioscuri

[Radical Rat]

Why are you willfully ignoring that you targetted someone who's been softing Nexus the whole game and trying to convince us there's a redirector instead of y'know, what they claimed would happen if you targetted them?

THEY DIDN'T SOFT NEXUS UNTIL THEY LOLHAMMERED THEY CLAIMED INVESTIGATION IMMUNE.

I don't care what you think you saw Masthead. I'm telling you that we are a mechanical mod confirm clear (assuming we don't just get killed off at night first). That's literally all you need to know. I can either back that up or I eat rope, right? A pox on your for forcing my hand in the first 24 fucking hours of the game. At this point there's no upside in being coy.

We're Jar Jar Binks (yes, really). We will be able to trigger a mod confirmation of IC, which is tied to our flavor since Palpatine used Jar Jar as the pawn to allow him to take control. We are easily manipulated which is why

we have a negative utility which will mess with roles trying to target us.

Happy now?

~D

Dio, did you target my counteRRpart? Because that would explain the redirect.

[Radical Rat]

So you have a PR, and you aren't looking for things that fuck with your targets?

Hell, I don't even have a targettable role and I caught it.

[Radical Rat]

Is modkilling the usual punishment for that sort of thing?

Role PM sure, but... Idk seems a bit harsh...

In any case
UNVOTE:
I see no reason to continue to lie about alignment if you're expecting a modkill, so just in case they get to live.

[Radical Rat]

If you flip Town, yes. I'll sheep you until I'm given a reason to do otherwise.

[Radical Rat]

He's cuter when he's not fakeclaiming guilties

[Radical Rat]

Gay hydra:
How certain are you that the Lumberjack Hydra is Town?
Because they aren't mechanically confirmed, and both nightkills were people who wanted to lynch them.
Also worth noting that even during the mason claim they didn't get killed.
Dio also scumread you, and they were indeed Town.

And lastly, I don't know for sure, but I have a theory about this no kill.
I am an Axolotl, one-shot deathproof. I do not get told when an attempted kill is made.
I told Dio I would follow their reads unless given evidence otherwise.
So, given the trend in our kill targets, it looks like I should be next in line.
Also take a look at that opening. I get voted IMMEDIATELY, and in MyLo no less. They want me dead, before everyone else sees the truth.

VOTE: TheWoodCutters

[Radical Rat]

Well, my normal town reads keep DYING, but I'm almost certain Lumberjack Hydra is scum by now.

You, Varsity Bassoon, and the Yumester are all corroborating a conftown claim, so there's that.

Other scum's gotta be in Oatmeal/Growlithe/Can't think of a good nickname but The One Who Makes Kings.

Oatmeal seems super apathetic, which I'm gonna say nulltown on.
So.... That leaves Growlithe and The One Who Makes Kings by PoE.

The One Who Makes Kings has done Nothing but lurk the entire game, while at least Growlithe has been participating, so I'd feel safer lynching there unless Growlithe does something particularly scummy tomorrow.

Today though, the Lumberjacks have cut their last tree.

[Radical Rat]

Gay hydra:
How certain are you that the Lumberjack Hydra is Town?
Because they aren't mechanically confirmed, and both nightkills were people who wanted to lynch them.
Also worth noting that even during the mason claim they didn't get killed.
Dio also scumread you, and they were indeed Town.

And lastly, I don't know for sure, but I have a theory about this no kill.
I am an Axolotl, one-shot deathproof. I do not get told when an attempted kill is made.
I told Dio I would follow their reads unless given evidence otherwise.
So, given the trend in our kill targets, it looks like I should be next in line.
Also take a look at that opening. I get voted IMMEDIATELY, and in MyLo no less. They want me dead, before everyone else sees the truth.

VOTE: TheWoodCutters

Here is my reasoning.

[Radical Rat]

a) you've gone from townreading TWC to saying you'll sheep Aslan's read to saying with confidence that they've cut their last tree
b) you're not actually trying to get them lynched given that you've made 0 argument why are they are scum, if you were town you'd know how difficult it would be to lynch scum!TWC here but your push is "..."
c) you're not even trying to act town, blatantly being scummy voting in MyLo, have no reasoning for reads, etc.
d) ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
e) am I supposed to townread TWC for lynching you?
f) lol this game

a) Yes, that is correct.
b) I have made arguments as for why they are scum, and does the same not apply in reverse? If I were scum, I'd know how difficult it would be to lynch town!TWC, right? Moot point because I have zero experience with 2/3 heads, and the only head I do have experience with was from a game I flaked out of D1, but still.
c) I'm not the only one voting, including the lumberjacks themselves, RIGHT AT DAYSTART, and I DO have reasoning for my reads.
d) ????????????????????????
e) No? I don't understand this point.
f) Yeah, that's fair.

[Radical Rat]

@Rat don't really think what you've provided is realistic. "They aren't dead + I didn't die + they voted me in MyLo" isn't a scumread.

Okay but "everyone who scumreads them dies" is, and the no kill seems to indicate that I was the next target, after telling Aslan I'd sheep him.

[Radical Rat]

It's the other head you want to be playing Devil's Advocate with, not me. I don't townread that slot in any way shape or form.

@Rat don't really think what you've provided is realistic. "They aren't dead + I didn't die + they voted me in MyLo" isn't a scumread.

I'm getting some mixed messages here

[Radical Rat]

... Don't you guys have a hydra topic to argue in?

[Radical Rat]

I am an Axolotl, one-shot deathproof. I do not get told when an attempted kill is made.

I buy this by the way!

The problem is we deflected V-->The OTHER RR, meaning that any nightkill targeting V would land on you, so.

You basically just confirmed that V was the nightkill last night.

That confirms nothing of the sort. It means he COULD have been the target, yes. But just because you deflected him to me doesn't mean I'm not targettable. All your deflection does is muddy the waters a bit.

[Radical Rat]

Maybe I'm missing something but why would you be targetting over a confirmed townie?

Because I told Aslan I'd be sheeping him on you if he was Town.
Or protective fear, perhaps. Which would make it ironic that they hit me instead, but hey. That's why I never claimed.

And there's also the possibility of you lying about the deflection.

[Radical Rat]

Maybe I'm missing something but why would you be targetting over a confirmed townie?

Because I told Aslan I'd be sheeping him on you if he was Town.
Or protective fear, perhaps. Which would make it ironic that they hit me instead, but hey. That's why I never claimed.

And there's also the possibility of you lying about the deflection.

wait, you're using a dead player as a reason to scum read another slot?

Why don't you have your own criticisms?

Are you even reading.
Like. I do have my own reasons. I've talked about them a lot.
Convincing me to mislynch Town (even if the lynch didn't get a chance to complete) is one such reason, and the only one I haven't explicitly stated yet.

Also, and I'll break post restriction for the first time here just to show how serious I'm being, screaming and swearing at nancy for scumreading you until she had to replace was completely uncalled for, and super shitty of whichever head did that. ESPECIALLY to nancy. I barely even know her, but her commitment to keeping her games and her play non-toxic is something I greatly admire and respect, and to watch you pull that shit almost made ME replace just because I don't want to be in a game with someone who does that. Even if I didn't have reasons to actually scumread your slot, I'm prepared to policy lynch you over that.

So nothing you say or do short of popping an IC will make me change my vote here. And even then, I'd do so reluctantly.

[Radical Rat]

Alright, and what about every other reason I gave every other time someone asked?

And yes, I know it's "bad" to bring up policy lynching in MyLo, but lucky for me you're scum anyway so I don't have to make that decision.

[Radical Rat]

forgot about this game sorry. but yeah i TR yume and thats about it

Not Jae or Varsity Bassoon?

[Radical Rat]

So, where's your vote then, eh?

If he's confscum then why aren't you voting?


You don't believe what you're saying.

[Radical Rat]

So... is it possible that this ISN'T MyLo?

I re-read the modposts on page one, and it's not confirmed anywhere that it's a 3/10 game.

Y'know, I wouldn't be surprised if The One Who Makes Kings were actually a Jester or something hoping we'd go by Lynch All Lurkers, seeing as they're apparently reading mod PMs, so it's not just a flake.
If I'm right about this, it would explain the scum reluctance to quicklynch VAX Arsonist, particularly if their janitor were at stake.

Care to take a chance and find out? The way I see it, they're either the third scum, or jester. If they flip scum, we'll know to lynch the Vax Man next. If they flip jester, we'll re-evaluate for the real MyLo
VOTE: Kingmaker

[Radical Rat]

It's my understanding that most mods don't allow scum to kill themselves, because it runs counter to their wincon

[Radical Rat]

Well then.

Still, I think the neutral theory is more likely. I don't think the scumteam would risk something like that with so many conftown claims flying around. They'd need the numbers I'd think, given how ANY conftown makes LyLo a billion times easier for Town.

[Radical Rat]

Isn't that a scumtell? Pushing 3rd party? Or am I just bad? :c

Nah, that's just a me tell.
Probably a relic from my Town of Salem days, but I'm usually darn good at catching 'em if they do exist.

[Radical Rat]

Jae and Varsity Bassoon are the only true masons, but the Yumester has also been confirmed as a one-shot one-way friendly neighborizer which.... Same thing?

[Radical Rat]

Not publicly, no. But all three of them corroborate the claims.

[Radical Rat]

What if Varsity Bassoon targetted me?

He'd already given you the friendly neighbor thing, and BP doesn't really help scum much so it seems reasonable that he tried giving it out to the unconfirmed among us so scumkills would just keep failing.

Then the Lumberjack's deflection retargets Growlithe's bus drive to me, meaning the gift hits you instead.


@Varsity Bassoon, is this what happened? Or am I just horribly wrong?



(also speaking of horribly wrong, Growlithe is FAR from incompetent. He's got a penchant for weird gambitty plays as either alignment, but he is good at what he does.)

[Radical Rat]

I do agree that we have no reason to doubt the conftown claims though.

I actually townread all three of them individually regardless, so I don't really see myself lynching them.

[Radical Rat]

And I seem to recall you wanted to doubcast us too. Only when the mod left you with you no loopholes did you start to believe us.

It wasn't doubtcasting, it was making sure I fully understood the nature of the claim.

Some mods allow Werewolf Masons because they're technically not Mafia, and since it wasn't clear whether it was multiball at that point I wanted to make sure no one was being cheeky.

[Radical Rat]

p-edit: That makes no sense. Why would scum target unconfirmed town with the kill, thereby wasting their mislynch?

Talked about this with the Lumberjacks already.
Fear of a protective or fear of a particular slot.

However, if you and I were bus driven, it is entirely possible that scum tried to kill you and failed because of my Deathproof.
There are a number of ways this could have gone.

[Radical Rat]

Hey~

Hi Shiro!
Are you a Jester by any chance?

[Radical Rat]

I was given a deathproof too, or did you skip that part? Also he clearly says he busdrove me and Var-Var, not me and you.

Yes.
But Lumberjacks claimed to deflect anything on you onto me.

Assuming both are telling the truth, you and I were the ones that got switched.

And since when are you deathproof?

[Radical Rat]

But Lumberjacks claimed to deflect anything on you onto me.

We've only been deflecting from sapphire and Varsity

Varsity's what I meant, sorry. Mistyped that.

Like, you are trying to paint me as a liar here. You can;t kill me, so you have to have me lynched somehow.

I was not saying you lied. I was saying that an attempt to give something to me would have gone to you because of the deflection/bus drive combo.

However, Varsity Bassoon has said that didn't happen since then so I don't know anymore.

All I know is that Vax's slot has been claiming bus driver all game, and it feels like a weird fakeclaim to make early game to me.

ayaR claimed it in the animal hood, then Growlithe claimed it main thread, and Vax confirmed Growlithe's claimed targets.

Shiro

can look back in the PT and confirm this.

Strike 1 from RR

[Radical Rat]

Wait shit nickname.

Uh.... Screw it, you're orihS now.

[Radical Rat]

I've only targeted Paddy each night so far.

Why?
If you truly have the power to give people conftown as you did with the Yumester, why have you not been trying to use it to confirm more slots? Or even just give other conftown powers? Why ONLY her?

[Radical Rat]

Conf-town doesn't work for scum, obviously.

Yes, but then you know they're scum.
It's sorta like a cop.

And again, why not give anything to Jae's slot?

[Radical Rat]

Not that any of that matters, since right now we have what's basically a guilty on the Irebringer slot and it's still not lynched.

Explain how it's a guilty.
There could very well be a roleblocker or something similar on the scumteam. Based on having a consistent claim across all three players in the slot, it seems more likely to me that the action just failed than that they'd try to lie about something so easily disproven.

And like. If anyone were gonna lie about their role, it'd have been Growlithe. My guess is he didn't because of ayaR already telling the truth in the hood.

And, yet again, WHY WOULD YOU NOT GIVE JAE ANY POWERS

[Radical Rat]

And, yet again, WHY WOULD YOU NOT GIVE JAE ANY POWERS

Are you going somewhere with this, Ratty?

Yes I am. As for where, that depends on the answer I get.

[Radical Rat]

IT'S NOT ALLOWED BUT MESSAGE NACHO

THAT'S ALL WE'RE WAITING ON

It's allowed for you to message them isn't it?

[Radical Rat]

...
Well looks like I was right about you being a Jester then.

[Radical Rat]

NoGameNoLife_Girl, I'm not going to just believe that over what we have on the table right now.

@Rat: If Irebringer were just roleblocked, then scum would be quick to back the conf-town narrative and push the mislynch through.

Soooo you're just.... Not gonna answer about Jae?

I get what you're saying, I do, but SOMETHING went screwy here. I'm trying to find out exactly where.

[Radical Rat]

This isn't Jae's Janky U-Pick, Ratty.

Well, you do have a point there.
Idk just... Something feels WRONG here.

Can everyone who hasn't claimed yet do so please?

[Radical Rat]

Okay, but the simplest explanation is that you are scum. Everyone knows this.

VOTE: RR

Sorry Var-Var, but I ain't gonna let them doubting conftown with lame excuses slide here.

I'm NOT doubting conftown.

I started questioning him not because he said he didn't target me, but because he said he Only targetted you.

I wasn't questioning so that I could push a mislynch on any of you, if I were scum I'd know my chances are much better bussing.

I was questioning because I thought there might have been more to either his or Jae's role that made sharing the love impractical or impossible, and potentially also explained our bus driving discrepancy.

[Radical Rat]

Explain how it's a guilty.
There could very well be a roleblocker or something similar on the scumteam. Based on having a consistent claim across all three players in the slot, it seems more likely to me that the action just failed than that they'd try to lie about something so easily disproven.
And like. If anyone were gonna lie about their role, it'd have been Growlithe. My guess is he didn't because of ayaR already telling the truth in the hood.
And, yet again, WHY WOULD YOU NOT GIVE JAE ANY POWERS

Yo rat boy I know your wincon likely involves casting shade but like.

I kinda addressed everything already in 1281 and you ignored it.

Basically, V, Our Lovely Host, and Jae are all confirmed town.
We, The Wood Cutters, are also town.
From YOUR perspective, the perspective of you being town.
That leave three players: The bringer of Fire (now Vexslayer), Jared Goat, and The Decider of Games (now Shewrote).

IN OTHER WORDS.
From your perspective.
Either today is mylo and all three of those are scum (in which case you vote Vexslayer)...

...OR, two of those three are scum with one as town in which case today cannot be mylo and thus you have a mislynch to spare.

In either case you should be voting Vexslayer yet you continue to resist.

Can't help but make a girl wonder what that says about you.

Honestly, I didn't read 1281.

It was long and I was tired and I'm still pretty sure you're scum anyway. But I'll go back and read it now.

[Radical Rat]

Okay so....
From my perspective why can't the scumteam include you?

Because I'm in my perspective and it does.

[Radical Rat]

Either that or REALLY extreme all-in scum. But given that scum isn't playing like it's MyLo, I figure there's gotta be a 3P somewhere. And it seems like a non-killing 3P based on well... No more than one kill at a time.

[Radical Rat]

It is my belief that optimal play would be for scum to bus here.

I do have a very particular strategy in mind, but if it's all the same to you I'd prefer not to discuss it in the open like this. Get a neighborizer from Varsity Bassoon and hit me up that way if you want to hear the details.

[Radical Rat]

I'm not going to continue arguing in a public thread about what scum's best move would be. If you want to know how bussing would work in this situation, you're gonna have to find a way to talk to me privately.

P-edit: Consider a cop instead. You're wrong and if you shoot Town you lose the game. You're already bulletproof, scum can't kill you before you announce your result.

[Radical Rat]

Just because you're conftown doesn't make you immune to being wrong, or overlooking something.

I wasn't questioning to try to lynch conftown, I'm not an idiot.
Well. Not I'm usually an idiot. I was questioning so we could find out what the hell happened last night.

[Radical Rat]

They can roleblock me, though. And, I do have a way already, a way which doesn't require me neighborizing you.

So if you believe they have a Roleblocker, why do you think Vax and I are scum? Fire got roleblocked, everything checks out, we can lynch real scum like Lumberjacks or whatever's goin' on with Shiroro (Hope that counts, it seems cute enough).

[Radical Rat]

Either Shiroro is crazy scum instead of Jester, or that'd leave Gerry as the other by PoE. Or both.

Also WHY would I roleblock my scum partner? And how exactly would I get towncred from doing so? What could possibly make that a better choice than just killing someone?

And lastly.... When did I shade you exactly? Vax yeah, but I haven't done anything to suggest you were scum. Just that you're wrong.

[Radical Rat]

Because nothing's public, you're all only confirmed to each other. He's said that already.

THEORETICALLY, Jae and Varsity Bassoon COULD be partners instead of masons.

I don't believe that to be the case because I've seen nothing to indicate it being so, and I townread them both on their own merits anyway, but I can understand Vax's position since he replaced straight into MyLo. Paranoia about slots being "off the table" seems reasonable. Which actually brings up an important question...

Yo Vax! How much of the thread have you read from before you entered?

[Radical Rat]

Also, you questioned us, all three of us. You are doing it in order to find a gap in our conftown status.

If I wanted to push a lynch on any of you, I'd just do it.

All I want right now is to know what everyone is and what everyone did last night so I can figure out how to read Vax and hopefully make a decision that won't get us endgamed. Is that alright with you?

[Radical Rat]

never trust a RAT

Never trust an OAT

Claim please and thank you though.

[Radical Rat]

Fine. Do it, and pray to whatever deities you choose to worship that there's only two scum, because it's game over otherwise.

Meanwhile, I'll be voting wher ALL THE NIGHTKILLS THOUGHT SCUM WAS
Think about that for a moment.

VOTE: TheWoodCutters

[Radical Rat]

YES!

YOU'RE RIGHT!

A PLAYER WHO THOUGHT OUR POST RESTRICTION WASN'T REAL! GOTTA KILL HIM DEAD REAL QUICK

and the only reason for the slot that claimed Innocent Child had to be because they scum read a slot, not because they actually were an innocent fucking child?


You're flailing hard mate

Why them over any of the other conftown claims though?

[Radical Rat]

Like, you refuse to give me a straight answer and instead choose to repeat the same old excuses. Wth am I supposed to think?

I did give you a straight answer, but I hope this is more clear.

All three players that have occupied the slot have given a consistent claim.
It is objectively true that their claimed action either didn't happen at all, or didn't happen as claimed.
Before I'm going to lynch a slot outside of my super extra scummy pool, I want to know WHY.
If they've all just lied? No problem, I'll lynch.
If something wonky happened? I'd wager scum was involved with the wonk.

[Radical Rat]

YES!

YOU'RE RIGHT!

A PLAYER WHO THOUGHT OUR POST RESTRICTION WASN'T REAL! GOTTA KILL HIM DEAD REAL QUICK

and the only reason for the slot that claimed Innocent Child had to be because they scum read a slot, not because they actually were an innocent fucking child?


You're flailing hard mate

Why them over any of the other conftown claims though?

On Day 2, the only confirmed town, were shot or lynched.

nothing confirming happened until the same night they were killed ya dingus.

Unless my memory is failing me, you and Jae were still pretending to be masons at that point.

[Radical Rat]

Okay, I get it. Shading all three conftown apparently isn't enough and he'd have to kill one of us for you to remotely consider him scum, amirite?. There is only one problem with that: If you let him go and he kills one of us, the GAME WOULD BE OVER, as you you yourself have pointed out.

Only if we lynch town today.
If we lynch scum, we're fine for the night. That's why it's MyLo not LyLo

[Radical Rat]

Okay, I get it. Shading all three conftown apparently isn't enough and he'd have to kill one of us for you to remotely consider him scum, amirite?. There is only one problem with that: If you let him go and he kills one of us, the GAME WOULD BE OVER, as you you yourself have pointed out.

Only if we lynch town today.
If we lynch scum, we're fine for the night. That's why it's MyLo not LyLo

Wait. No it isn't.

MyLo just means no lynch is an option (that we are NOT taking).

Idk what I was thinking, but the point remains. Lynch scum, and it's okay if one of you gets NKed. Lynch Town and it's not.

[Radical Rat]

So, the two people who were not actually confirmed town.

and were pretending.

Is actually confirmed town.

and you're questioning why the not actually confirmed town didn't fucking die.

When WE, were part of the fucking pretending with Jae.

Dude c'mon.

That's exactly my point.
IF you were Town, scum wouldn't know you weren't really masons.
As scum, of course you know, but you could ride that claim as long as Jae was townreading you enough to keep up the charade, so killing him doesn't make sense.
Also, you were talking an awful lot about how big a target you would be for scum. And yet... Here you are. Alive and well.

[Radical Rat]

You still haven't explained how and why SHADING ALL THREE CONFTOWN is a town thought process. Unless you can explain it adequately, then the simplest explanation says you are both flailing scum. Case closed.

I did, actually. Replacing into a dying slot in the middle of MyLo is gonna make any Town player panic and OMGUS.
Tell me how it's a scum thought process.

Scum should know better than to think they could lynch conftown. I haven't played with scum!Vax before, at least not that I remember, but I don't think he's the type to attempt something like that.

[Radical Rat]

And the fact that there's consistency doesn't mean they can't be maintaining a lie. You said you'd lynch them if they are lying, but since you believe them 100%, there is no way for us to prove to you that they are actually lying.

That's why I want everyone who hasn't claimed to PLEASE DO SO.

I don't have enough information to say whether they're lying or not, so I'm gonna choose to believe him for now.
With all the claims on the table, I'll have a much easier time separating the truth from the lies and should, in theory, be able to solve the game from there.

[Radical Rat]

How? Well, scum have to mislynch town, otherwise they'll never win. That simple.

Yes, but they don't have to mislynch in you specific three. And doing so would be a death sentence for them after the flip anyway.
There are still five slots by my count that aren't conftown.

Myself, who is being pushed
Vax, who is being pushed
Lumberjacks, who I'm pushing seemingly alone
Gerry, who's not being pushed.
Shiroro, who is....... sure doing something. I'm also pushing them seemingly alone.

Of those five, I know myself to be Town.
Discounting the conftown who are pushing me, that leaves... Lumberjacks, Shiroro, and Gerry.
Shiroro's sheer absurdity in approach, leads me to believe that I was correct in my Jester speculation back when The One Who Makes Kings was being an intentional lurksack.
So Lumberjacks and Gerry have gotta be the scumteam, or Lumberjacks and Vax if after I see the claims theirs is the one that seems faked.

Also worth noting: The people I'm pushing, I'm pushing alone. If Vax and I are scum, why is Vax focused on the conftown trio instead of helping me?
Because I'm not scum.

[Radical Rat]

Furthemore, you insist that bussing is viable despite me linking the game where it led to a loss. Why? Because you have to.

p-edit: lol no, not gonna let a player in scum PoE pool in any 'gamesolving' position. Sapphi, Var-Var and me are solving it, not you.

Yes, it led to a loss in that game. This is a different game with different roles and a different gamestate.

Just... pretend for a moment that I've cheated and shown you my Town Role PM. Why should I not be helping?
Now let's pretend you've cheated and hacked into my account revealing a Scum Role PM. In that case, I already have the game solved by virtue of BEING the solution. So there's no reason I'd even be trying.

[Radical Rat]

And we'll be solving it with the vigs. Targets will be decided via a private channel.



p-edit: Because distancing. Also, why did you discount Vaxkiller? He is not conftown.

p-edit2: Yeah, let's. As you yourself said, conftown aren't always right, so what makes you think you are better at solving the game than Crystal Gems?

Because Vax isn't pushing any of the unconfirmed slots right now, like he should be if he were scum.

The fact that you're trying to lynch me, which I know to be a mislynch.

Vig shots are really the worst possible way to go about this. You screw up just one of those, and game over immediately. And a roleblocker can stop a vig shot just as easily as a cop shot.

[Radical Rat]

Of course you do. The only problem is scum would also say 'I am town'.

Then why did you even ask

[Radical Rat]

Look, I'm doing everything I can to try to work with you here.
And y'know, if you do vig perfectly, we can afford a mislynch.

It's just that if you don't vig perfectly, even if we lynch correctly today, scum basically gets a double kill and a free pass to endgame.
Without hard guilties, it's just too risky.

[Radical Rat]

All you gave me as the reason why he is town is 'becuz he is desperate blah blah blah' rather than anything substantial. To me, that looks like an excuse.

Yes. His behavior makes sense for a Town player in his situation. It making sense doesn't mean I agree with it though.
But it does NOT make sense for a Scum player in his situation.
All he really had to do was claim different targets from Growlithe and drop the issue. No one would blink an eye at Growlithe lying about his role and/or targets, because he does that all the time.

Instead he chose to fight a mason group. It just doesn't make sense.

[Radical Rat]

I know how this will go. You'll let paranoia and stubborness cause yet another loss and then shift blame everywhere else. :/

It sounds like you're speaking from experience here, and I sympathize with you.
But I promise you, if we lose because Vax is scum and I pulled the wagon away from him, I will take on most of the blame with respect.
I'm not the kind of person who blames others for his own failures/shortcomings.

[Radical Rat]

If you really want to work with me, then don't drive me insane.

p-edit: Yeah, you believe my experience now, but you don't when it comes to game-relevant things. :/

It's not that I don't believe you when you say scum bussing cost them that game.
It's that I believe this game to be different.

And how do I not drive you insane?

... I realize that sounds rude/rhetorical, but I promise it isn't. I can't think of any other way to phrase that question but yeah.

P-edit: I'm not trying to be town leader, I'm just trying to be part of the town. I won't just sit back and be complacent as my very strong scumreads are ignored in favor of someone who claimed an action that didn't go through.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe you're right.

But I just want to be sure before we lynch him.

[Radical Rat]

And how do you plan to be sure? Do you really believe some sort of magical proof will crop up that will magically convince you when the given word of 2/3 conftown didn't?

If I know the claims, and I know what actions were supposedly taken, I am confident in my ability to pick out the lies from there. Night action shenanigans are the one thing I consider myself really good at when it comes to Mafia. If I can't, then I'll resign myself to that, and I'll sheep you and the other gems. You have my word on that.

P-edit: If I'm remaining open to the possibility that they might be scum based on a massclaim, then why on Earth would I deny a guilty? I know I can be/am being stubborn, but I'd like to think I'm not THAT bad.

[Radical Rat]

I'm not willing to bet on it. I never said I was. I never said you were in the way. I've been trying to reach out and work together.
Clearly, that isn't going to happen though, so...

Very well.

I shall leave you be, and I pray that you vig correctly.

[Radical Rat]

Like, it seems RR and you have both been ignoring anything I said up till now unless you could nitpick the hell out of it, otherwise you would have known I had a PT with Var-Var ages ago, yet you only notice this now.

Why am I being included in this?
I never questioned your PT, and this is the only day phase that's even been long enough to address (most of) what I wanted to.

I get that you scumread me, but don't just tack my name onto other peoples' mistakes please.

[Radical Rat]

Why them over any of the other conftown claims though?

You say, when one of them was in fact a conftown claim.

To put this in perspective.

The Logical Duo claimed Innocent Child: conftown. They were nightkilled.

Sapphire, now Jae, claimed masons with us. HOWEVER, they could not be nightkilled, because we had deflected all actions from Sapphire. Meaning that if scum DID try to kill conftown Sapphire/Jae N1, they failed on a fundamental level thanks to our deflect. (I've actually been working under this assumption believe it or not. That it went Sapphire-->The Logical Duo-->random.)

V was not conftown until D3. And N3, we deflected actions off of him.
Our Lovely Host was not conftown until D3. You can ask why she wasn't nightkilled N3 but with NOBODY dead N3 there's nothing you can say since there's any number of potential failure reasons in the nightkill. And now she's bulletproof so scum CAN'T nightkill her.

The one and only conftown who was wide open at all this entire game has been us, thanks to our ascetic making us vulnerable to the nightkill. HOWEVER, said ascetic also makes us immune to all scum interference directed our way. We also didn't claim our ascetic until today if memory serves. (If we did claim it earlier it was yesterday.) So scum didn't know we were open to attack.

So The OTHER RR is asking "why didn't some other conftown die?", when...it's fucking self-explanatory why other conftown didn't die: we were fucking STOPPING them from dieing. And were directly responsible for them being able to become conftown in the first place for that matter.

Why have you not said anything about this until now? This should have been the FIRST thing you said when I brought up the NK trend. Why would you just sit there and let me use kills that YOU KNOWINGLY TAMPERED WITH as evidence?

[Radical Rat]

No. You claimed BP, not DP.

Those are different things.

[Radical Rat]

So which one are you?

[Radical Rat]

Alright, thank you.
You claiming a permanent Deathproof is very different from permanent Bulletproof. And frankly, completely unbelievable that Varsity Bassoon could give you that.

Do you understand why I questioned it now?

[Radical Rat]

No, you AREN'T technically deathproof.

If everyone voted for you, you would die.
Now there's a near-zero probability of that actually HAPPENING... But the point remains.

I asked because I like to have an accurate picture of the game. Contradictory claims get in the way of that, and can affect how I perceive other peoples' roles.
I know you weren't intentionally lying about it, and just made a mistake. You don't really have much to gain from faking either of those, but I still needed to know which one was real.

[Radical Rat]

Why? So you know who to kill and not to kill?

Whether you're bulletproof or deathproof, you still can't be killed by scum.

It's so I can put it in context with the rest of the claims, including my own one shot deathproof.

Please, just take a moment to check your confbias.

[Radical Rat]

Really? You lecture me on confbias when you are confbiased yourself. Your refusal to believe Vaxxy is scum no matter what sure counts as one. I mean, when all three conftown say he is scum and you still refuse to believe them, then guess what? It's bias.

Except that I've REPEATEDLY said they could be scum, but I don't want to lynch until I'm SURE during MyLo. Though I'm pretty sure we've already hit hammertime, so moot point now.

And even if you can't kill me/are town, questioning in this direction still helps out the scum because it helps them coordinate which targets can't be killed and target those that can be.

YOU'RE IMMUNE TO KILLS EITHER WAY
The literal only way this would make a difference to scum is if you weren't confirmed and could be a viable mislynch target. But you are, and you can't, so ask yourself why scum would care

[Radical Rat]

From by experience, if there is a conftown, sheep the hell out of them even if you think otherwise. If you do not, scum can and will manipulate you.

And if it's the conftown being manipulated by scum?

From my experience, people can be wrong. Hell, I just recently lost a game where one of the deciding factors was a Town PR misclaiming their night target. Granted, they weren't conftown, but the point remains.

[Radical Rat]

Okay... let me just. Spell this out for you.

You have ALREADY CLAIMED Bulletproof, then later called it Deathproof by mistake.
From scum's PoV, you're already out of the kill pool. You are already going to LyLo. Nothing can prevent that except for an exceptionally clever scum combined with a moment of utter foolishness from the Crystal Gems where they join a wagon on you.

It does not matter to them whether you technically can be lynched or not, because there's no way to get the votes. And since you claimed the BP all alone, unsolicited, you're the one who whittled down their kill pool, not me.

[Radical Rat]

Also, guess what? There is no way for you to be sure whether Vaxxy is scum or not unless you lynch him. True, there could be a way via massclaim, but the things YOU draw from it will be YOUR opinion, not a fact. Whereas Vaxxy and you being among the PoE pool is a fact.

Along with Shiroro, Gerry, and the Lumberjacks.

And, assuming the Lumberjacks are being honest and are Town, there's a very real possibility that one or both of the nightkills were actually a scum member. Which is another reason why they should have SAID THAT EARLIER, but I digress.

I don't know shit anymore because of that, and I like to know shit, so I'm gonna keep trying to figure shit out.

[Radical Rat]

Okay then, but if we lose again, you are to buy an extra large pizza for me and Var-Var.

Very well.
I can agree to that.

P-Edit: I'm not trying to say I'm smarter than you three.
I don't really even believe in people being "smarter" than other people, at least not to a significant degree. We all just have our different mental strengths and weaknesses.

All I'm saying is that I think, in this particular instance, you are wrong. It's not about your intelligence, or mine, or anyone else's.

[Radical Rat]

(Basically. You ask: "Why haven't you said anything about this until now?", but the answer is: we have and if you're town you should rtft because we've been laying this out for two day phases; if you're scum, then you probably were already aware we have already laid this out and would be deliberately ignoring us having done so on the hopes that you wouldn't be called out on it/caught. Nacho would be more inclined to believe the former, that you just really weren't paying attention; I want to trust in him but I see the latter. )

Assume I'm really stupid and quote for me please.
I skimmed your ISO and didn't see anything suggesting your deflection was the cause of the kill targets.

[Radical Rat]

I knew you claimed Varsity Bassoon > Me. I just thought I was the intended target anyway

I didn't connect the other stuff to your deflector claim because I'm an idiot I guess though.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vaxkiller

Not that it really matters at this point, but you being Town means Vax can't be I think.

[Radical Rat]

ooooooooook so Ratty claimed scum to me in the PT with vax

You guys have a PT?

You're in the PT too.

[Radical Rat]

wait i dont have a message I was and RR response makes it look like I was not

No you were.
Mod's just being slow.

My point is just if you go and look in the PT section, it'll be right there. No reason for you to be asking about it here.

Though this does make me nervous about the flip... as scum, you'd think you'd be in the PT section quite a bit.

[Radical Rat]

I believe apologies are in order.

Yumester. You were right about Vax, and I should have listened sooner.
And Lumberjacks... Given my counteRRpart's flip, I have no reason to doubt your alignment, and I shouldn't have tunneled you for so long.

[Radical Rat]

TWC is next in lynch line.

yume

u ready?

First of the day...already.

No they aren't.

They're supposedly keeping Varsity Bassoon alive with deflection.
As long as two conftown make it to LyLo, we win.

It isn't worth the risk of getting rid of that protection.

Scum also knows that they have to kill him to win.
TWC needs to die for that to happen, and they cannot be protected due to ascetic

Right now our playerlist is
Yumester
Varsity Bassoon
Lumberjacks
Me
Shiroro
Gerryoatmeal

Potential scum is Lumberjacks, Shiroro, and Gerry
Lumberjacks lives so that Varsity can't be NKed.
We lynch either Shiroro or Gerry. I say Shiroro given their apparent desperation to mislynch me.
Scum kills Lumberjacks, so if they don't get lynched they can kill Varsity.
Yumester uses the vig shot on either myself or gerry. Doesn't much matter which.
If the shot's good, we win.
If the shot's bad, we enter LyLo with two conftown and only one other player. Lynch them, we win.

However, if we lynch Lumberjacks tonight, scum kills Varsity, Yumester shoots one of me/Gerry/Shiroro, and we have one conftown and two others alive for LyLo. Then if scum can convince the Yumester to lynch the wrong person, they tie, unless they have a strongman, in which case they win.

VOTE: Shiro

[Radical Rat]

Not yet.

Follow the money and see where it leads.

Phoenix: Radical Rat

Follow the money and see where it goes.

What does this do??

[Radical Rat]

Yo Yumester.

If you don't mind me asking, what was your original role?
I haven't seen you mention anything except what Varsity Bassoon gave you.

Doesn't really matter at this point, but I'm curious

[Radical Rat]

Huh. Interesting.

It might have helped out more if things played out differently at night

[Radical Rat]

He isn't a cop. He said that in the hood.

Oh that reminds me.

We are massclaiming.

Everyone who is conftown has already fullclaimed--but all the players who

aren't

conftown haven't.

If you haven't realclaimed already, claim in your next post or eat rope.

The OTHER RR, I'd like a fullclaim from you even though you claimed 1x deathproof. But this mainly is directed towards Shewrote and Jaredgoat.

That is my fullclaim.
Axolotl, one-shot deathproof

[Radical Rat]

It's alright, they'll come through eventually.

In the meantime, I know a fun party game we could play! It's called Werewolf, anyone got a deck of cards?

[Radical Rat]

I never play games with RATS

B(
I thought we were friends....

[Radical Rat]

This is... kinda silly.

While it's true that gerry's in no real danger, it's ALSO true that voting him serves no real purpose either.

[Radical Rat]

UNVOTE:

All right.

So, RR, you admit that Shi was telling the truth?

No, of course not.

But anyone hammering gerry with a pending cop result would be scumclaiming, so it's not gonna happen.

[Radical Rat]

@RR And what if the result is a guilty, on you? You gonna fabricate some reason on why it's inaccurate?

p-edit: Claim your role.

Well if it's a guilty, it will BE inaccurate, no need to fabricate.

But the best way to prove that would be to flip, then have you lynch Shiroro tomorrow.

[Radical Rat]

Why do you think it would be inaccurate? I specifically used it during the day so there would be no interferences that would make it inaccurate.

I don't.
But in the scenario you proposed where it flips guilty, it clearly has to be.

[Radical Rat]

Okay, so you are sure it's inaccurate, but you can't give any reason why it would be inaccurate?

Yeah, I don't buy that.

Are you telling me that you got the result back, and it was guilty?

[Radical Rat]

No, not yet. But from what you're saying here, there's 90% chance there's one, because it seems to me you are defending yourself against one prematurely.

Because you ASKED me to. You literally asked if I'd say the results were inaccurate if they were guilty.

Also, if you are innocent, Shi will def be lynched. You think he's dumb enough to lie and risk that?

You think I'm dumb enough to straight up tell him I'm scum?

[Radical Rat]

@Yumester

You know what's up with that?

[Radical Rat]

Lol. Wut. Also TWC is prob scum. But I mean. I guess we should lynch rat

Explain why Lumberjacks are scum.
I would have believed it yesterday, but with my counteRRpart's flip, I see no reason for scum to have TWO untargettable/redirection roles...

[Radical Rat]

RR, what's your role?

For, what, the third time?

I am an Axolotl, One-Shot Deathproof

[Radical Rat]

My one shot has been used, does that count? Or do I need to be vanilla or something?

[Radical Rat]

When was it used?
Can you prove it?

I can't PROVE it, but Lumberjacks deflected from you onto me, then there was a no kill.

Sounds like scum shot at you, but it hit me instead.

[Radical Rat]

So it's a dayvig that only works on scum?
That's pretty swaggin'

[Radical Rat]

Wait I'm confused.

I thought me living was an innocent result?

[Radical Rat]

So.... If you were just gonna lynch me either way.... What was even the point

[Radical Rat]

If my flip's what it'll take, so be it.

I just didn't expect to get lynched after a cop inno, but there's always tomorrow I guess

[Radical Rat]

GG dear friends.
I have no objections to either the scum or animal topics being released.

And Yume, you did do an excellent job overall.
As did everyone really.

The balance was questionable, but I don't feel that it was unwinnable by any means.
Personally, I think the biggest issue balancewise was that Varsoon was able to just keep pumping up Yume all game. The conftown had enough room for doubt in there that I think it would have been alright, but a Bulletproof Friendly Neighbour Neighborizer Dayvig is kinda.... Yeah. I would have had him only able to give one invention per slot.

I had a lot of fun though, the game was very dynamic, and I am honored to have been the last surviving scum, even if I failed in the end.

[Radical Rat]

Also @Ari I seem to have lost access to the Mafia topic.

Would you mind giving that back please?

[Radical Rat]

You mean my scum confession?

Yeah I PROBABLY shouldn't have done that but it didn't go as awfully as it could have at least.

But yeah. I AM dumb enough to do that.
My first Forum Mafia game ever (off-site) I actually claimed Mafia in the main thread as Town just because I waa frustrated no one was listening to me, and I thought flipping Town would make them take my reads seriously.

[Radical Rat]

I will say though, I cannot STAND this recent trend I've been noticing in my games of
"I'M TOWN FUCK YOU YOU'RE AN IDIOT IF YOU SCUMREAD ME SO FUCK OFF"

I know I specifically criticized whichever TWC head that was, but Alisae also did it, and I've seen it in several other games too and it just needs to Stop. I don't care what your relationship is like outside the game, pulling that kind of shit has no place in a Mafia game and once I get around to starting my modding career will be grounds for an immediate replacement.

If you're gonna get that worked up over being scumread, you probably shouldn't be playing in the first place. And that's all I'll say on the matter.

[Radical Rat]

Yo mastina

Hook me up with all the places I went horribly wrong.
Your wiki articles are what I read in preparation for my newbies, I'd love to hear your input, even negative input, on my first actual game with you

[Radical Rat]

Ah, you don't have to worry too much about it if you don't have time or energy!

Just y'know, don't feel like you have to hold back on my account

[Radical Rat]

You talking about the Newbie you replaced me in?

While I thank you for the compliment, this was kinda the very next game I played as scum, so I'm not sure how much is really "improvement" and how much was just my head actually being in this game.

I will choose to believe improvement for now though!

[Radical Rat]

See that wasn't even a scum motivated move though.

I legitimately just wanted to make sure she didn't get ignored by accident, given how loud a lot of this playerlist can be( including myself ), and I'm really glad she wound up playing as big a part in this game as she did.

I guess I can kinda see how it came off as scummy, but it would have happened as Town too.

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Either way that's not something you do because as town you try to engage in what's around you.
Yume would eventually show up
she's in the EU so because of timezones she isn't on at the same time we are but she will show up.
And then you can interact with her and worry about that stuff

Duly noted.

[Radical Rat]

Honestly, I can't think of much you did wrong off the top of my head.

The only thing that sticks out in my mind was the cop vs. vig issue.
I wasn't just lying and trying to save my own ass when I said I thought a cop was a better option than a vig in near-lylo. In fact, my planned path to a draw after Vax's lynch was reliant on you taking that vig and shooting literally anyone but me.

I argued against it hoping it would net me some towncred while you did your own thing anyway, which... Kind of happened?

But yeah, aside from that there weren't any major mistakes that I caught.

[Radical Rat]

Will the Persona 5 game have spoilers?

I haven't yet had the chance to play the game proper (Thanks for skipping out on a Vita version Atlas)

[Radical Rat]

Damn, foiled again.

Best of luck to you and your players though

[Radical Rat]

Not sure how relevant this is anymore, but I had typed this up for you D4 when I couldn't just post it here 'cause wincon. @Yume

Spoiler:

This game was nice until you got rid of all the people I enjoyed playing with. :/

In case I forget later, I just want to sincerely apologize to you Yume, for anything I've done to make this game unfun for you.
I signed up because I believed you deserved this, and even if we somehow pull off a win here, it will be a hollow victory if it meant ruining the game experience for you.
Even as scum, I try not to be a dick to people, though I know I'm not perfect. So just. If anything I've said or done this game has upset you, I'm sorry. And I hope you enjoy your future games.